What is destiny?

[Asyloth]

Hello Avalonians,

Once again (twice in a row), it seems that I need your help to keep my heart alive.

I've always been quite tuned to what we'd call the universe, the force, or whatever, and especially since my awakening began, I've worked out my emotional intelligence (intuition) a lot and I've got some kind of a sixth sense now to feel and know what is supposed to happen and what's not. It's difficult to explain but I'm sure most of you will understand what I mean (I can also feel what other people feel just with a look in the eyes, it's very intense and hard to bear).

More than once in my life, I've had this kind of feeling, knowing something was like "destined" to happen, and then it turns out wrong, and it seems that it's not because of me (even if I know we're always responsible of our own experience in some way), but rather because the other people involved aren't on their good path, or take the decision not to go on it, and thus keep me away from my ideal "timeline" as well, that I try to catch over all the time.

Then, over time, as I go on accepting this, it always turns out that what definitely seemed to be destined to happen actually wasn't... I always end up learning something crucial that puts me on an even better path...
Like destiny is messing with me in some kind of way that is really disturbing to me...
Any advice from the enlightened ones? Is this phenomenon going to keep on going all my life long do you think?

What is destiny?

[Shezbeth]

I have always found benefit in intending that the chips fall where they may. It does not do to oppose inevitability, whether knowingly or not. Therefore, the best advice I can suggest would be to be more detached to the circumstances you find yourself in and the outcome. If things go the way your mind would prefer, then bully for you! If not, no harm no foul.

I believe Castaneda once suggested something about how "One (a warrior) should make every effort to make the correct and most decisive choice/action possible, but then abandon all preconception to the outcome,". In the end it is not about what manifests, but about the choices one makes in participating in the manifestation.

Edit: Sorry, I forgot to answer the question; destiny is that which is inevitable.

No need to over-complicate. ^_^

[Azt]

I think "Destiny" is a word for REMOTE CONTROL from other entities (good or bad) outside of our prison CUBE / Matrix to play with us (locked avatars in the CUBE) ...

[Asyloth]

[QUOTE=Azt;847637]I think "Destiny" is a word for REMOTE CONTROL from other entities (good or bad) outside of our prison CUBE / Matrix to play with us (locked avatars in the CUBE) ...[/QUOT

I understand what you mean but that's not the way I feel it, or then I'd say "Remote control" from the highest entity there is that I would call "the universe".

[Azt]

Sure Asyloth, I understood you as well, regarding the CUBE thing here are 2 vids that goes a bit more into the detail of our matrix and how probably "the universe" is blocked from us ...

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[Asyloth]

Sure Asyloth, I understood you as well, regarding the CUBE thing here are 2 vids that goes a bit more into the detail of our matrix and how probably "the universe" is blocked from us ...

3eDGLGWR_iQ

D8OYm0RBZfA

I'm looking at it right now, I'm well aware about the Matrix we live in, but it's the first time I see it related to this "Cube" concept, very interesting.

And indeed it seems that the people involved are still plugged to the Matrix, that must be the reason why they're on the wrong path and thus trying (willingly or unwillingly) to keep me away from my "destiny" if I can call it like that.

[mahalall]

what IS destiny

IS=the ultimate point (bindu)

from this you are

[Asyloth]

( Makes me want to post this music :
The Subs - The Face Of the Planet :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwqLBjUcWe0 )
Just a parenthesis.

[Azt]

One more cube vid just released .... It is all about symbolism ....

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[Asyloth]

I know a lot about symbolism already but I'll watch it anyway, thanks Azt it's a good refresher for me, but then let's get back to the subject which is destiny ;)

[sheme]

Simple -we are all exactly where we are meant to be - accept this and relax.

[sirdipswitch]

When I asked George about my destiny, He said: "I will tell you that the past, is, and was... "mostly", and the Future... is not carved in stone." So I just stand ever ready to roll with the punches, (so to speak) and deal with whatever... as it happens. yep. ccc.

[Milneman]

There's a few ways one can unpack destiny. Each has a different view about ultimate free will.

The word to me implies that we do not have free will. It'd be one thing to say the choices we make ultimately lead us to the choices we may make in the future, and so on. But what about the choices tens of thousands of generations have made before us? Are they not in some small way (ha!) also part of milieu of destiny? I wonder if there was only really one choice in time that was free, namely....do I bang, or do I not bang? And was that even a choice, or just a chance that created infinite fractals that are to this very day still going? Kind of neat if you think about it in terms of energy produced, energy resulting. Isn't that a law of physics? ;)

Must have been one hell of a bang!!!!!

When I woke up this morning I knew I had a dental appointment to go to. I'm excited even though my teeth aren't in the greatest of shape because it's another positive choice forward to making my life better. Same when I went and had that horrid little tooth pulled. And same when I made the choice to go back to school, to start writing my book again, to start taking chances when meeting people (and sometimes those chances actually pay off and you meet really, really nice people!). But I also have this problem of seeing where individuals lack the discipline to do simple things, like mow a lawn properly, or vacuum a floor in an orderly fashion. It's not their fault, their brain is wired a certain way. Mine took a long time to unwire and reprogram. But what has that got to do with destiny?

You can choose to believe we don't have free will, and in that case, behave like the taxi driver in Egypt who drives through traffic at 70 mph saying if he hits and kills a child, it is Allah's will. Or, you can participate in destiny: namely, as the old sophists used to say, why fight the wagon we as the dog are tied to? Life is easier if you simply walk where-ever it goes.

I'm not sure I buy that myself.

I think that some things, like our income tax records (;)) are written in stone. I also think that we were meant to interact with the universe in a playful, meaningful way. We have that choice from the beginning but because of the tens of thousands of years of un-playful, un-meaningful interactive choices we have a hard road to travel. If you read through scripture in every major world religion, and apply this conundrum, wonder of wonders there's the road map you can't find on a pew. Didn't Christ himself say that there will be many who will persecute you who follow Him? Nobody likes to see the boat being rocked.

So, two ways to approach it. One is to say we are subject to destiny and can't do a damn thing and go along with it, and the other is to say that certain things are out of our control but we can choose how to react to those situations, and still further...what I tend to feel as true...when we make choices closer to what is good in life, we tend to find it easier to do the things that keep us closer to that good. Keep your nose out of trouble and trouble won't find you. :)

As a wise friend once said, actually a couple of wise friends (!!), life is like a chess game. We're basically pawns, and we get shuffled around the board. When you wake up enough to the reality of the universe and your wonderful insignificant significant place in it, you get to see that not every move is for your benefit. Sometimes you get moved to help someone else.

But we all get to choose which side of the board to be on. And at any point in the game, if you're tired of being the black pawn you can choose to walk over and play for the white side. It really is that easy, and that difficult.

Or, I'm a crazy janitor who needs to spend less time typing about my own experiences on the forum and more time doing it in my poetry. ;)

N.B. You save your own heart, laddie. No one can do it for you. If you figure that out, you're more than half way there.

[sian]

Just suppose that the shaping and moulding of destiny is in fact your destiny to look for it, it's the bridge to the ones you love. Ya' just have to show up! the rest will unfold.

[Billy]

More than once in my life, I've had this kind of feeling, knowing something was like "destined" to happen, and then it turns out wrong, and it seems that it's not because of me (even if I know we're always responsible of our own experience in some way), but rather because the other people involved aren't on their good path, or take the decision not to go on it, and thus keep me away from my ideal "timeline" as well, that I try to catch over all the time.


What is destiny?

What i found out on my journey is that destiny is spirit, something you allow to manifest with no conditions or plan and no expectations of the outcome.
Expectations towards others usually brings disappointments.

When a profound destiny comes your way, it is how you respond to the experience that will depend on what timeline you choose. Destiny happens in every moment, depending on how we respond to each moment on our journey of life is what allows destiny to manifest.

my thoughts, peace

[Asyloth]

Now that you say it, I also feel like destiny is something that you allow to manifest without conditions nor expectations, I like your way of saying this.

But what if that destiny doesn't manifest because the other people involved, let's take the example of a girl that you're destined to get with, on her side, doesn't allow the manifestation? Because she had experiences in her life that make her fear that kind of thing and made that she's gone completely wrong? So she makes bad decisions, and then the positive outcome becomes impossible for you?

Then she hates you because you're still right and you made her realize that she is gone completely wrong and that she only got herself to blame for it? And that the only way to fix it would be for her to make you go wrong as well?

You see what I mean? What then? It becomes some kind of a "destiny paradox"...

(Especially when this matter is your "Achillis' heel", and that you know that forgiving her would open your only weakness)

[Milneman]

Clearly, it's not your destiny. It's what you want to be your destiny.

You see the difference?

One is swimming against the current and wondering why I'm not getting anywhere, and the other is swimming with it and wondering why it's all going so fast and wonderful. :)

[Asyloth]

Thank you Milneman ! These were the words I was waiting for ! :) :) :)

[Billy]

Hi Asyloth, I will share something with you, I had an experience with destiny that i shared here. http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?64742-Naadi-Shastra-My-experience-with-Destiny.

Now i want to say i understand exactly what you are referring to as i have also had the same experience concerning others. When i first met the Naadi in 2003 it was written in the 2000yr old leaves that i was destined to meet a certain lady and that we were destined to be together and and have a long loving relationship.

They gave me the name of this lady and times and dates and detailed circumstances of how this would manifest.

Well we did meet. and we became partners. As the Naadi said, I did not tell her what i had been told. It was an off on relationship for some time, but that was fine by me as (my interpretation <----- important) was that eventually we would be together as a couple. But my interpretation and expectations were wrong.

Now 11 yrs later. yes we are together as loving friends. we are very close and see each other often. And it is a wonderful relationship we have. We were destined to meet in this life time, And destined to have a loving relationship. But my interpretations/expectations of what that relationship would be, was not what destiny had in store for me or my great friend.

Are you seeing something in yourself here.

I asked the Naadi if destiny was set in stone. The Naadi replied that destiny will always manifest itself. But it can be delayed even into the next life or brought forward in this life depending on the spiritual awareness of the individual soul.

My advice is do not blame others because your interpretation/expectations of what you think the direction of your destiny should be going. If your friend is in your life then love her with no expectations of anything in return. You cannot control your destiny or your friends. Allow her to manifest her own destiny. And allow your destiny to manifest in its own way.

Then as we say in Scotland. Whits fir yea, Winnie go By yea. :happy:

peace

[Asyloth]

Billy, Ok I got it, thanks for sharing this.

Now I can think more clearly about it, in my case (it's the second time it happens), I think I misinterpreted it, this intense destiny feeling I got might not be about a couple relationship, but rather a strong friendship that was supposed to manifest, I think that's the key ! But it's not easy to make the difference since these feelings are very close. Or maybe not, I don't really know but it opens a all new set of possibilities !

I guess what has to happen will happen, I won't wrap my mind about this anymore, thank you so much ! (I'll be able to sleep again :p)

[sian]

Billy, Ok I got it, thanks for sharing this.

Now I can think more clearly about it, in my case (it's the second time it happens), I think I misinterpreted it, this intense destiny feeling I got might not be about a couple relationship, but rather a strong friendship that was supposed to manifest, I think that's the key ! But it's not easy to make the difference since these feelings are very close. Or maybe not, I don't really know but it opens a all new set of possibilities !

I guess what has to happen will happen, I won't wrap my mind about this anymore, thank you so much ! (I'll be able to sleep again :p)

Sleep well Asyloth, destiny works in strange ways, your heart will always tell you the truth. :hug:

[sian]

For destiny to flourish, the only thing that prevents it from truly happening, is for all parties to have clear FACE to FACE, eye to eye truthful /honest communication as fear can be the real bogeyman preventing the outcome of its fullest potential, no "but's" only clarity can pave the way. Similar circumstances has happened to me, i'm the girlfriend scenario in your dilemma, heartache has nearly killed me but i'm still hoping things will change sometime soon, he may never forgive me but i must first forgive myself.