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onawah

26th June 2014, 15:42

This looks very bad, especially as these particles destroy beneficial gut bacteria and cause problems with breathing. No doubt they are in chemtrails too....

http://www.naturalhealth365.com/food_news/silver-nanoparticles-1051.html

http://Wed. Jun. 25, 2014 by Jonathan Landsman
Dangerous Toxins Found in Food Supply(NaturalHealth365) You can’t see, smell or taste them – but over the last few years silver nanoparticles have been added to our food supply (and medications) at an alarming rate. Like me, I’m sure you’re wondering why would food producers – and the pharmaceutical industry – place silver in their products?

Consuming silver nanoparticles is a bad idea. These particles are sprayed onto produce – as a pesticide – and incorporated into food packaging to extend shelf life, due to their antimicrobial properties. But, scientific research warns us that the uptake of these tiny particles can cause cellular damage, kidney disorders, stomach upset, headaches, fatigue and skin irritation.

Nanoparticles causes premature aging

Researchers have demonstrated the devastating effects of silver nanoparticles on cell survival, and the integrity of the mitochondria.

Animals treated with silver nanoparticles exhibited reduced cognitive/motor functions and altered cellular structures in the brain. And, just to be clear, many scientific studies suggest that chronic exposure to silver nanoparticles can damage brain function. With all the pollution in our environment – should we really allow this technology to invade our food supply?

More research reveals an alarming toxic trend

Further data shows silver nanoparticles induce toxicity in neurons with the resulting dysfunction of physiological function. These particles, once digested, get distributed inside the brain, heart, and blood – which can result in cardiac arrhythmia, slower blood flow and impaired motor skills.

Observations, in laboratory animals, have shown that the uptake of these particles – in the digestive track – can change the terrain. The digestive track harbors beneficial bacteria along with pathogenic bacteria. Silver nanoparticles can wipe out the ‘good bacteria’ along with toxic ones.

Naturally, if you disturb the healthy balance of bacteria, within our gut, you comprise the immune system – setting the stage for degenerative disease.

Scientists detect nanoparticles on fruit

Scientists developed a new method for detecting silver nanoparticles in food during a study published in the Journal of Agricultural and Food Chemistry. This method was able to identify and measure relatively small amounts of these nanoparticles, in pears, according to Mengshi Lin, Ph.D. – study author and associate professor of food science at the University of Missouri.

The pears were immersed in a silver nanoparticle solution, similar to a pesticide application, and then washed and rinsed repeatedly. Four days after the treatment and rinsing, the silver nanoparticles were still attached to the skin and some even penetrated the skin to reach the pear pulp.

Many food packing materials incorporate silver nanoparticles to prolong the shelf life of packaged foods. The nano material has been known to transfer to the food – inside the package. I guess, after reading this, you’ll feel even better about eating fresh (unprocessed) food – as much as possible.

Nanoparticles can become airborne easily due to their size and mass. When inhaled, nanoparticles can go deeper into the lungs reaching more sensitive areas. These particles can inflame the lungs – which must work harder in attempts to remove the foreign particles.

The only known protection from nanoparticle toxins

It takes an incredibly small amount of this substance to cause health problems. In fact, the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) is on record saying that nanoparticles pose safety issues – because they significantly alter bioavailability properties of food, which alter how much your body can absorb a substance. This means it affects the amount of nutrients you absorb and the amount of toxins that can enter a cell.

Unfortunately, companies aren’t required to label or test nano materials in the food they sell you or the packing they put it in. To counter the ever increasing amount of nanoparticles in food – you have to look for whole foods, which aren’t commercially packaged. Apples, carrots, dark leafy greens and so on are healthy choices.

Buy local (whenever possible) – since foods that are transported long distances are often treated with nanosilver particles to keep them looking ‘fresh’. Organic produce is less likely to be treated with nanoparticles. Plus, we know that organic farming techniques avoid the use of sewage sludge fertilizer – which can be tainted with nanoparticles.

Thankfully, the world is changing and people are waking up to the truth about toxic food, medicine and personal care products. Vote with your dollars and be part of the solution.

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References:
http://www.care2.com/causes/5-reasons-to-beware-of-nanoparticles-in-our-food-and-clothes.html
http://www.beyondpesticides.org/antibacterial/health/nano.php
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/03/120314100416.htp
http://sciencenordic.com/silver-nanoparticles-can-cause-cellular-changes

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Red Skywalker

26th June 2014, 16:46

So colloidal silver is bad? It works fine as a alternative for antibiotics.

avid

26th June 2014, 17:03

silver - historically, is absolutely fantastic. I use colloidal silver to treat ills, and we get well. The OP is disinfo.

meat suit

26th June 2014, 17:10

silver - historically, is absolutely fantastic. I use colloidal silver to treat ills, and we get well. The OP is disinfo.
yeah just what I thought.... somebody is trying to knock colloidal silver....

sheme

26th June 2014, 17:38

I will go along with that- disinfo- but "they" may have shot themselves in the foot as they say that Silver Nano particles are bad ? so are they saying aluminium nano particles are good?- as the government spray us with them on a daily bases?

Hervé

26th June 2014, 18:01

Yeah... something fishy about that article.

Check Carmody's thread on the subject: Monatomic silver, and properly -'charged'- one of the true philospoher's stone(s) (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?7130-Monatomic-silver-and-properly-charged-one-of-the-true-philospoher-s-stone-s-)

avid

26th June 2014, 19:10

Ah but - that is taking it to extremes of purification. I distill and make fresh over 4 hours with 99.9% silver. Get the odd hiccup with a brew now and again, but it's normally vibrant, clear, and bottled into brown glass and placed in a darkened cupboard, seems to last for months - yet I refresh my supply regularly. It works! Honestly - if we take this we don't get terrible nasties. It heals wounds. Clears naughties from cats ears, sorted hideous sores on parents, and cured OH from an horrendous flu-bug where it was emergency-room, so he drank and inhaled my stuff and got well really quickly. We believe in it - it is used in the space station to maintain their health, so silver is brilliant! That's why 'born with a silver spoon' made one well enough to survive! The olde wealthy folk always drank and ate from silver, to kill bugs! Go and do colloidal folks - it really works!!! :)

onawah

26th June 2014, 20:42

avid

26th June 2014, 21:30

Haakon

26th June 2014, 22:14

I am a little lost... whenever nanoparticles are mentioned is in a negative way...
The way I understand it is that these particles are small (cell sized) and can therefore interact directly with the cell.
I've used colloidal silver when i had mononucluosis and got well in a couple of days. Never had my throat hurt so much. i healed it in 20 min with colloidal silver :) felt blessed
I've also used colloidal magnesium supplement which i had much better effect on my body than tablets. tablets also contains lots of other ingredients that i do not feel like my body needs. Colloidal products go directly into the cells. no need to go trough the digestive system in order to work.

Haakon

26th June 2014, 22:18

What type of machine do you have, avid ? I've thought about buying one sooner than later.. do you have a link... thanks

andrewgreen

27th June 2014, 02:42

After trying everything for tooth infection colloidal silver was the only thing that worked. Its remarkable but like everything I would suggest moderation.

onawah

27th June 2014, 03:59

OK, so some of you are saying that being inundated with silver nanoparticles that are being put in processed foods and pharmaceuticals, clothing, sprayed on produce as an insecticide, and going into the water and airborne and straight into our lungs is all fine?
Because, though we may not be inundated yet, it looks like that's the way it's headed.
I have no argument with the use of colloidal silver for illness, but what happens when these tiny nanoparticles are being taken in by everyone, all the time, without our knowledge or permission?
If nothing else, I have to agree with andrewgreen who said "like everything, I would suggest moderation."

vilcabamba

27th June 2014, 06:25

I was told by a scientist that the problem with silver is that it accumulates in our bodies and our liver. It is another toxic exposure and the body will struggle if silver is built up in the liver. I was told by this military scientist that the powers that be would WANT silver in our bodies b/c it is a receiver of frequencies from cell phone towers and satalites to mind control us. It works together with the nanotechnology polymers that are sprayed In chemtrails. I asked my military scientist if there is ever a time when I should use silver and she said yes, if I'm In a life threatening situation where I have a virus then by all means take it. But I was told NOT to take it on a regular basis as you are accumulating silver in your body and you are making yourself a transmitter and receiver of frequencies, which you do not want to happen.

avid

27th June 2014, 09:48

What type of machine do you have, avid ? I've thought about buying one sooner than later.. do you have a link... thanks

Silver Edge machine from Steve Barwick. http://www.thesilveredge.com/ His manual is also very good.

The Truth Is In There

27th June 2014, 09:52

Sorry Onawah, but tried and tested, Carmody is misguided. Of course freshly made is fabulous, but it takes so long that's not an option if one needs some health stability. I have done this for years - it works - no colds/flu-jabs required, the only thing that went wrong lately was that my Dad's heart failed - and that was on the cards anyway. He didn't even have any infections, just heart failure. My Mum had a nasty sore for years on her leg - and I cured it with a combination of manuka honey (10+ grade) and colloidal silver, it was totally healed. However, a bit of a knock on her leg broke the skin when she went into care home they wouldn't allow me to treat her, so now it's enormous and cancerous. I am not allowed to medicate my Mum in the care home (understandably), but she gets no natural daylight (D3) so her immune system is being depleted every day. She has an auto-immune condition, (polymyalgia rheumatica) which causes her pain 24/7, on max pain-killers allowed - I will do anything to help anyone in this terrible state. I will sneak in some of my brew soon, as the care our oldies get is not natural. Colloidal silver really does work - please try it regularly!

the body always deals with the most severe condition first - "outbreaks" are basically signs of healing. during that time other, minor problems are put on hold - they disappear.

if certain minor conditions (like skin problems or a cold/flu) are "treated" in a wrong manner, this will create a more severe imbalance in the body and even though it looks as if the minor problem with the skin or a cold or flu has been healed by the treatment, what really happened is that it merely disappeared for the time being because now the body has to deal with the more severe condition like for example rheumatism, which was facilitated by the misguided healing attempt.

it's probably not easy to understand but killing microbes through different means like colloidal silver, mms, zappers and the like is interfering with the body's natural way of dealing with diseases. the only way that truly heals a condition and does not create worse ones is a natural energization of the body that raises the body's vibration and removes energy blockages. there are different ways to do this but colloidal silver is not one of them, believe it or not.

nevertheless i disagree with the OP - they just put out various fancy theories to make people look the other way, so they try to find causes for disease when the real cause is something else entirely, one that few even take into account.

avid

27th June 2014, 09:56

I also gave Reiki to my parents, but it doesn't fix broken parts unfortunately. It helped though.

onawah

27th June 2014, 17:29

Vilcabamba's explanation from the military scientist was not something that I already knew, but it certainly sounds right to me. ( Bold letters my emphasis)
I was told by a scientist that the problem with silver is that it accumulates in our bodies and our liver. It is another toxic exposure and the body will struggle if silver is built up in the liver. I was told by this military scientist that the powers that be would WANT silver in our bodies b/c it is a receiver of frequencies from cell phone towers and satalites to mind control us. It works together with the nanotechnology polymers that are sprayed In chemtrails. I asked my military scientist if there is ever a time when I should use silver and she said yes, if I'm In a life threatening situation where I have a virus then by all means take it. But I was told NOT to take it on a regular basis as you are accumulating silver in your body and you are making yourself a transmitter and receiver of frequencies, which you do not want to happen.

And this explanation sounds very reasonable to me as well.
there are different ways to do this but colloidal silver is not one of them, believe it or not.
Question:What are those different ways, please? Thanks

it's probably not easy to understand but killing microbes through different means like colloidal silver, mms, zappers and the like is interfering with the body's natural way of dealing with diseases. the only way that truly heals a condition and does not create worse ones is a natural energization of the body that raises the body's vibration and removes energy blockages. there are different ways to do this but colloidal silver is not one of them, believe it or not.

nevertheless i disagree with the OP - they just put out various fancy theories to make people look the other way, so they try to find causes for disease when the real cause is something else entirely, one that few even take into account.

RunningDeer

27th June 2014, 18:06

What came to mind was that it’s a way to shift the blame of failing health from the chemtrails onto our food choices. The time is coming where insurance companies will argue that we were presented with information. We are empowered to choose between processed foods vs. organics. So it’s a way to cancel policies, require us to purchase insurance riders with high premiums, or even deny treatment due to our lifestyle choices. Victim blaming equals increased profits.

As a side note: It’s the reason why I no longer use the personalized customer cards where they can track what you purchase. I tell the checkout person I forgot my card and they use the store one.

Bob

27th June 2014, 18:48

Monatomic silver and colloidal silver are two different things, and Carmody says that colloidal silver is only good if you take it immediately after it is made.
The stuff they are talking about in the OP is not freshly made!
NaturalHealth 365 is a part of Mike Adams' Natural News network, and while their info isn't always completely accurate, it is usually pointed in the right direction, at least.

That IS exactly the point, and freshly made is high in silver oxide and silver chloride.

Pure silver or pure any nanoparticle pure reactive nanoparticles and one is calling for danger. The particles made with electrolyzers are not nano sized pure METAL..

Look at the nanoparticle threads, there are a few of them now that show differences..

Carbon nano particles are more prevalent than lead, or aluminum or copper or silver present in the environment.

Any NANO particle ingestion is dangerous, or exposure.

Colloidal silver is way way way larger than pure nano-metals.

blufire

27th June 2014, 18:48

I made the following post regarding Mike Adams of Natural News on this thread:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?71330-Do-vaccines-contribute-to-autism-Should-we-vaccinate&p=846044#post846044

Re: Do vaccines contribute to autism? Should we vaccinate?

I have gotten to the point that I do not trust Mike Adams of Natural News. I now take anything he writes with a huge grain of rock salt and skepticism. There have been many articles and research he has done the last year (or more) that was deceptive, sensational and full of scare tactics . . . . to increase the sales from his website? My guess would be a HUGE yes.

With respect to Onawah because I know she is providing us with info it is my opinion Mike Adams’ articles should be read with caution . . . . below are a couple of examples from the article on why I feel this way.

From Adams report:
As I wrote last year, " In order to do this, Merck spiked the blood test with animal antibodies in order to artificially inflate the appearance of immune system antibodies."

From the False Claims Act complaint:

Merck also added animal antibodies to blood samples to achieve more favorable test results, though it knew that the human immune system would never produce such antibodies, and that the antibodies created a laboratory testing scenario that "did not in any way correspond to, correlate with, or represent real life ... virus neutralization in vaccinated people," according to the complaint.

My response:
In today’s science and technology and research it would be obvious very quickly with the most basic of blood tests if ‘animal antibodies’ had been added to blood samples. There is a clear distinction between animal and human blood and dna. If Merck had done this it would have been spotted with very little effort. Most importantly Merck would not be so stupid as to try something such as this.

From Adams article:
As Natural News previously exposed, the vaccine industry was caught shipping live viruses to vaccine manufacturers of flu vaccines in 18 countries.
This was done by none other than Baxter International, Inc. one of the top suppliers of "weakened" flu virus material for use in vaccines. Except in this case, they weren't weakened. Vaccines made with this material simply gave people the flu!

My response:
This is another clear example of Adams causing fear or just flat out wrong information or to give him a little leeway maybe he simply just doesn’t have a clue or understanding of basic science.
Of course ‘live viruses’ was shipped to manufacturing plants. These are labs were the vaccine are MANUFACTURED so of course the viruses have to be alive so more can be grown to produce the different flu vaccines.

Again I want to be clear as in my above post (#32) that I DO NOT agree with using vaccines as they are generally used. Use common sense and don’t be afraid to refuse or ask that the protocol (if you HAVE to be vaccinated) be altered to give your body time to adjust to a vaccination.

Be logical . . . . not fearful.

Just like Adams’ info and article regarding ‘vaccinations’ this article and info is loaded with misinformation, lies and flat out incorrect science and application of that science.

He did a video and expose’ on McDonald’s chicken nuggets a few months back and I laughed so hard at what he was saying and showing in the video that it made my sides hurt. In this video he was focusing and magnifying the ‘blue-black specks and hair-like strands’ in the nuggets and calling them something like morgellons fibers (I think) or something outlandishly evil. My thought was good lord obviously the man has never deep fried anything and seen the little burnt food particles and grease.

It makes me angry and sad that so many people are putting such great faith and belief into what he says.

He is very talented in taking information and spinning into whatever he needs to benefit the articles and videos and puts out and make them appear accurate. Just be aware.

onawah

27th June 2014, 19:27

As I said in the OP, Natural News is not always accurate, but they are pointed in the right direction, at least.
Most of the info is aimed at alerting people to the dangers of mainstream misinfo and providing info about alternative options.
BTW, Adams is not adverse to colloidal silver at all. See:
http://www.naturalnews.com/027474_colloidal_silver_antibiotics.html

What Merck and Baxter did regarding vaccines has nothing to do with the subject of this thread, so I will ask Blufire to kindly refrain from attempts, however unintentional they may be, to derail this thread.
Perhaps you would like to start another, separate thread about Mike Adams and Natural News, or post more about that subject on the existing thread that you referenced about that subject.

Many thanks to Bob for the following, which is very helpful to this discussion, imho, and brings us back to the real subject at hand:

Monatomic silver and colloidal silver are two different things, and Carmody says that colloidal silver is only good if you take it immediately after it is made.
The stuff they are talking about in the OP is not freshly made!
NaturalHealth 365 is a part of Mike Adams' Natural News network, and while their info isn't always completely accurate, it is usually pointed in the right direction, at least.

That IS exactly the point, and freshly made is high in silver oxide and silver chloride.

Pure silver or pure any nanoparticle pure reactive nanoparticles and one is calling for danger. The particles made with electrolyzers are not nano sized pure METAL..

Look at the nanoparticle threads, there are a few of them now that show differences..

Carbon nano particles are more prevalent than lead, or aluminum or copper or silver present in the environment.

Any NANO particle ingestion is dangerous, or exposure.

Colloidal silver is way way way larger than pure nano-metals.

Hervé

27th June 2014, 19:52

Hervé

27th June 2014, 20:30

onawah

27th June 2014, 20:43

NaturalHealth365.com, as I stated in the OP, is an offshoot of Natural News, and is a regular offering to the Natural News newsletter email list.

But it's certainly worth noting, if you read the whole article and the list of references at the bottom which are: References:
http://www.care2.com/causes/5-reason...d-clothes.html
http://www.beyondpesticides.org/anti...ealth/nano.php
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0314100416.htp
http://sciencenordic.com/silver-nano...llular-changes
...that there is scientific basis for concern about this nanotechnology in the articles linked, such as the research done at a University in Denmark cited here:
http://sciencenordic.com/silver-nanoparticles-can-cause-cellular-changes
which states:

Researchers from the University of Southern Denmark are concerned by the results of a new study on silver nanoparticles. The particles are so small that thousands of them can fit on a human hair. It is also known that silver is toxic to bacteria.

Clothing manufacturers use silver nanoparticles in some exercise clothing for precisely this anti-bacterial effect, to limit odours.

The Danish researchers studied how intestinal cells are affected by contact with the nanoparticles. They believe that the particles may come into contact with these cells in humans.

More free radicals are formed
Researcher Frank Kjeldsen stresses that solid silver does not pose any danger.

“But when you break the metal down to the nano level, the particles may penetrate the cell wall. This can cause cellular changes,” Kjeldsen said in a statement.

Only the smallest particles seemed to be able to enter the cells. There, the researchers found that they caused the formation of more so-called free radicals. These are oxygen compounds produced naturally in the body as a result of energy metabolism, but they can do harm if the amount increases.

“We also saw that both the shape and the amount of proteins changed. This worries us,” according to Kjeldsen and his colleague Thiago Verano-Braga.

Silver is among the most common substances used for nanoparticles. Other uses for silver nanoparticles include deodorants, food packaging, beverage bottles, bandages and refrigerators.

“Worrying”
Several serious diseases have been linked to the overproduction of free radicals, including various forms of cancer, and Alzheimer's and Parkinson's disease.

The risk posed by silver nanoparticles remains unclear, however.

Thiago Verano-Braga. (Photo: University of Southern Denmark)
So far there has not been much research on the subject. There are simply no certain answers. Kjeldsen and Verano-Braga emphasize that their investigation has been carried out on human cells in a laboratory, not in cells in living bodies.

Therefore, they can't say how many particles a person can tolerate before the particles cause changes in their cells.

“We can't conclude that silver nanoparticles cause illness. But we can urge caution, and the overproduction of free radicals is worrying," the researchers said.

Will end up in the water
The use of silver nanoparticles may also affect the environment. For example, when clothing containing the particles is washed, the particles end up in wastewater. Silver is quite stable and can cause problems in ecosystems or agricultural land over the long term.

The Swedish researcher Richard Arvidsson, from Chalmers University of Technology, has previously undertaken a study of nano silver in clothing and in sludge at a wastewater treatment plant in Gothenburg.

“Clothing is a major source of releases of silver nanoparticles. If their use continues to increase, it could have serious environmental consequences,” Arvidsson has stated.

A Norwegian study conducted in 2011 has also shown that nanoparticles are acutely toxic to juvenile salmon. Effects were measured at only 20 micrograms per liter. One microgram is one millionth of a gram.

and these http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/08/130822194530.htm and http://www.care2.com/causes/5-reason...d-clothes.html ...which states:
Scientists at the University of Missouri College of Agriculture, Food and Natural Resources have now found a reliable method to detect silver nanoparticles in fresh produce and other food; their findings suggest why we should be concerned about the pervasiveness of nanoparticles.

Scientist Mengshi Lin and his colleagues tested the extent to which silver nanoparticles remain as a residue on and even penetrate into the pulp of fresh fruit. They immersed the pears in a nanosilver solution that is similar to a pesticide application and repeatedly washed and rinsed them. After four days, the nanoparticles remained attached to the skin of the pears and had also become embedded into their pulp.

“The penetration of silver nanoparticles is dangerous to consumers because they have the ability to relocate in the human body after digestion. Therefore, smaller nanoparticles may be more harmful to consumers than larger counterparts,” says Lin.

Nanoparticles are used in more and more products. Currently, the Environmental Protection Agency has given silver nanoparticles a ”conditional” registration but without putting them through the full range of required tests,” to the concern of scientists and consumer and environmental advocates.”

Here are five reasons to be wary of nanoparticles:

1. After they are ingested, nanoparticles get into the blood and lymph system. They can then circulate through the body and make their way to such potentially sensitive sites as the spleen, brain, liver and heart.

2. There is no labeling system for nanoparticles and therefore no way to alert the public to any potential risks to us or to the environment.

3. If you have any athletic clothing said to have “antimicrobial properties” — and able to block UV rays and not absorb smells — such apparel contains silver nanoparticles or titanium dioxide. These could seep into your sweat and be absorbed into your body via your skin.

4. Washing clothing containing nanoparticles results in them seeping into the environment with unknown effects, according to a 2009 study. As EcoWatch points out, conventional water treatment plants are not able to filter out the tiny particles. Some research has linked them to deformities in fish and immune suppression in earthworms.

5. Silver nanoparticles are increasingly used in food packaging and can migrate into the products we eat. As the nanoparticles are in the packaging, their presence is not noted on any labeling.

Our lack of knowledge about nanoparticles is definitely a reason to eat organic fruits and vegetables, as EcoWatch says. While the U.S. Department of Agriculture’s National Organic Program has not initiated any regulations about nanoparticles, the National Organic Standards Board placed a general ban over nanotechnology in 2010. Look for USDA organic certified produce so you don’t end up with pears or apples with the unseen silvery residue of nanoparticles.

Note the list of references from this link: http://www.beyondpesticides.org/antibacterial/health/nano.php

Chemical stability of metallic nanoparticles: A parameter controlling their potential cellular toxicity in vitro.(Environmental Pollution In Press, Corrected Proof, 2008)
Biological properties of "naked" metal nanoparticles.( Advanced Drug Delivery Reviews, 2008)
Review of health safety aspects of nanotechnologies in food production.(Regulatory Toxicology and Pharmacology In Press, Corrected Proof, 2009)
Nanosilver: A nanoproduct in medical application. (Toxicology Letters, 2008)
What do we (need to) know about the kinetic properties of nanoparticles in the body? (Regulatory Toxicology and Pharmacology, 2007).
Nanotechnology: Emerging health issues (Journal of Chemical Health and Safety, 2007).
Effects of repeated silver nanoparticles exposure on the histological structure and mucins of nasal respiratory mucosa in rats (Toxicology Letters, 2008)
Manufactured nanoparticles: An overview of their chemistry, interactions and potential environmental implications.(Science of The Total Environment, 2008)
Toxic potential of materials at the nanolevel. (Science, 2006)
Influence of silver nanoparticles on neurons and blood-brain barrier via subcutaneous injection in rats. (Applied Surface Science, 2008)
Assuring the Safety of Nanomaterials in Food Packaging: The Regulatory Process and Key Issues." (The Project on Emerging Nanotechnologies at the Woodrow Wilson International Center for Scholars and the Grocery Manufacturers Association, 2008)
and from that last article, the following only seems like common sense to me, and nothing to do with any attempt to discredit the legitimate uses for colloidal silver:
While the science is trying to catch up, consumers should be wary of the products they purchase that contain silver nanoparticle products. The widespread use of products that contain ingredients that can also easily enter the human body, but whose impacts have not been studied, is a definite cause for concern. Scientists agree that the high speed of the introduction of nanoparticle based consumer products to the market urges the need to generate a better understanding about the potential impacts that these particles may have to biological systems.

Bob

27th June 2014, 21:27

Here is an excerpt from Carmody's OP:

Stolen from another thread, a post by me that I think needs it's own thread, so it is seen and can benefit more people.

colloidal silver. Or..Monatomic silver? The actual point behind colloidal silver is the smaller the particle, the more effective it is. Same for herbals, for the very same reason, in some cases.

[...]

What I mean, is you put the electrodes in the water, distilled water, super clean, no minerals, no bits, no micro particles, etc. This allows the pH to be neutral at the start..and then the particles of silver made under very weak levels of voltage will be truly nano and monatomic, so the mix is exactly as effective as it has to be. The reason the water must be free of any contaminants is so the montomics form freely, in the proper shape and bond only with the water molecules.

[...]

As for getting silver chlorides out of electrolysis in distilled water... hmmm...

ADD a pinch of SODIUM CHLORIDE to your DISTILLED WATER is the INSTRUCTIONS -

Doing homework and understanding chemistry is easy. The use of "a pinch of salt" is common in makers of "colloidal silver".

ref: http://www.elixa.com/silver/inst.htm

http://www.elixa.com/silver/ac.jpg

"approx 1/8 tsp salt to 1 cup water"

ref: http://www.instructables.com/id/How-to-make-COLLOIDAL-SILVER-Easy/

How to make COLLOIDAL SILVER (Easy)
Colloidal Silver is the most potent disinfectant and antiseptic, and on-contact killer of viruses, bacteria, fungi and all kinds of germs. My guess is, if you want to make it, you probably know what is does, and how it has been used for the last 3,000 years. Since you can make it yourself and you need no prescription, you will not see it on TV -- ever!
Items you need:
2 ft. common electric wire (any laying around in the house)
4 small alligator clamps ( $6 for 4 at the hardware store)
A bit of electric tape.
3 9V batteries ( about $ 10)
Distilled water $0.99
Saline (eyewash drops) $2-3.00
1 ft silver wire, 999.99 pure . $10-25.00, depending on gauge, a thin one will do fine.
A glass (for the electrolysis) no plastic or metal containers

Instructions in the video.

ref: http://www.thesilveredge.com/netipot.shtml

"Using Colloidal Silver with a Neti Pot

Once you are breathing freely through both nostrils, prepare the pot again. This time, you will do it a little differently, and include the colloidal silver.

According to medical studies, a concentration of 10 ppm of colloidal silver kills most bacteria in six minutes or less. So you will need to use a solution composed of 10 ppm concentration.

To use colloidal silver in the neti pot, prepare the pot with just a ¼ cup of warm water. Add a pinch of salt. (See photo.) Then apply 15 to 30 drops (one to two droppers) of colloidal silver to the pot. (See photo.) Make sure the salt is completely dissolved. Then, administer half of the solution through one nostril and half through the other, as described in the “Basic Procedure” section above.

(If all of this measuring sounds a little tedious, don’t worry. After a few tries, you’ll be able to quickly estimate the proper amounts of salt, water and colloidal silver to add to your net pot.)
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If one is going to ingest nano-particles, one obviously is oblivious to the dangers. ANY metal. OR CARBON nanoparticles. (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?64534-DNA-Nano-Technology-triggering&highlight=nanoparticle)

ref: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?64534-DNA-Nano-Technology-triggering&highlight=nanoparticle

More references:
http://www.teslatech.info/ttstore/report/articles/v1n1art/csgen.htm

If bulb doesn't light or you see only a faint reddish glow add sea-salt solution. Observe the smoke-like plumes of pure white ultra fine grain silver against a dark background as colloid electrolytically sinters off the anode (positive polarity side of battery red lead) and drifts into solution.

Five minutes activation of about 8-oz of property conductive water gives approximately 5 to 7 ppm (parts per million) strength. Yield depends on water conductivity, surface area of electrodes, amount of current and time. Approximately 5 minutes makes a stock solution which can be diluted further to make a typical working solution.

I occasionally put electrodes in my coffee, fruit and vegetable juice, tap water and other drinks to charge them with colloid directly.

(ED NOTE: the above is highly suspect putting the silver electrodes in one's coffee.. all sorts of chemicals will be added in-solution with the silver ions, not just the silver chlorides from the common salts.. Coffee contains a tremendous number of chemicals, with over 1000 aroma compounds. If you are looking for antioxidants, the most abundant phenolic compounds in coffee are chloro-genic acids (CGAs), which account for up to 12 per cent of the dry weight of green unroasted coffee beans. Chloro associates with CHLORIDE, i.e. CHLORINE..) ref: http://www.rsc.org/chemistryworld/Issues/2011/May/ChemistryInEveryCup.asp

Silver CHLORIDE - http://circres.ahajournals.org/content/53/1/105.full.pdf

This article makes it VERY CLEAR It refers that SMOOTH MUSCLE TISSUE is toxically affected highly and rapidly takes up the SILVER.

SILVER OXIDE:

ref: http://blog.cgcsforum.com/?p=84

Talks about what REALLY is colloidal silver (silver oxide particles if made purely) - it is NOT nano-particle pure silver.. it is an oxide form of silver dispersed in ultra-pure water.

This product is the only version of “CS” (Colloidal Silver) that is available for sale on most websites. There are two manufacturers of CS in the UK who make heat-reduced CS for sale, but I know of none in the USA.

It (Silver-Oxide dispersed in Water) is an effective bactericide, viricide and fungicide. It also accelerates healing of wounds and burns. It is somewhat less-used than the other forms of CS if you know how to make the other versions, but the manufacturing technique is being posted next, as it is the basis of sugar-reduced and heat-reduced CS, as well as being a product in its’ own right.

It has a strong metallic taste. When correctly prepared it does not sting, even in the eyes, and is a powerful accelerator for healing of cuts and abrasions. Although I have found sugar- or heat-reduced CS to give good results in healing scrapes and abrasions, some contributors to the old forum indicated that IS was superior as a healing accelerant when applied topically. It is not ideal for internal use, being possibly implicated in Argyria if consumed in very heavy doses.

IS is nothing more than electrolytically-produced Silver Oxide dissolved in distilled water.

--> The above article talks about the correct way to make chloride free colloidal silver, but the method IS NOT the methods used in the cheapy internet discussed "electrolyzers. READ the article above for some good understanding, and remember, NANO-PARTICLES are NOT being made using the above method.. SILVER-OXIDE is NOT metallic silver nanoparticle.

onawah

27th June 2014, 21:42

Thanks again, Bob. Another Avalon thread which Bob gave the link to as follows should make the concerns clear enough, hopefully.
Bob started that thread, and this one is simply presenting further evidence about the dangers of nanoparticles.
Perhaps my OP and the relevant responses should be moved to Bob's thread.

If one is going to ingest nano-particles, one obviously is oblivious to the dangers. ANY metal. OR CARBON nanoparticles.
ref: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?64534-DNA-Nano-Technology-triggering&highlight=nanoparticle

avid

27th June 2014, 21:43

Oh you scare me! I literally just distill H20 and brew with 2 99.9% silver rods for 4 hours - looks OK, tastes slightly metallic, quite clear but 'silvery-looking' water. Now and again we have some metal oxidisation dropping to the bottom. (Grey bits). I'm not an authority, this thread is fascinating, but it also depletes my confidence in trying to heal naturally. I do know salt creates havoc, so will not touch that with a barge-pole, but am interested to know how other people make it. The science is great - but the kit is crap for ultra-wondrous stuff! Still - trying my best.....

onawah

27th June 2014, 21:46

Can we stick to the subject matter of this thread, please?
There are threads all about colloidal silver and how to make it, this is not one of them.

The Truth Is In There

28th June 2014, 12:02

Question:What are those different ways, please? Thanks

it's probably not easy to understand but killing microbes through different means like colloidal silver, mms, zappers and the like is interfering with the body's natural way of dealing with diseases. the only way that truly heals a condition and does not create worse ones is a natural energization of the body that raises the body's vibration and removes energy blockages. there are different ways to do this but colloidal silver is not one of them, believe it or not.

nevertheless i disagree with the OP - they just put out various fancy theories to make people look the other way, so they try to find causes for disease when the real cause is something else entirely, one that few even take into account.

sorry if i'm going a bit off-topic with this but i have to in order to answer the question properly.

one way is to use focus and willpower. this may sound very esoteric and if a person is not able to feel the changes it may appear to be just wishful thinking, but it works nevertheless, and i suppose the more one uses this ability the more it develops.

i'm still learning about the underlying principles of etheric matter (which is just a higher level of physical matter, or, to be precise, four higher levels) and how energy relates to it. my current understanding is that the energy flow from the non-physical planes to the physical depends on the order in any given substance, and this order can be consciously influenced as well as it is usually unconsciously influenced, with the difference that conscious focus and willpower work much stronger than mere undirected thoughts or most other forms of influence.

not sure if i'm explaining this well enough to make sense so i use an example.

the place where i work had very negative/unhealthy energy which i now understand to be merely chaos in the etheric layers, or let's say a low order. the whole strip of land where this village happens to be situated has rather negative energy, i think from a vein of uranium ore that's running underneath, besides the ubiquitous water veins. basically, the constant radiation creates disorder.

anyway, i thought if order could be established in this place more energy could flow and the energy of the place would become stronger, that is, more positive and healthy. so i changed the "etheric matrix" of the place, if you will, and indeed the energy flow has increased considerably. since i feel subtle energy i know that it's not just wishful thinking.

incidentally, i got proof right away, too. there were ants in my driveway below the cobbles all these years and ants love low energy that's bad for humans. they build their hills directly over water veins or crossing water veins because the energy there is low due to the chaos in the etheric matrix. what i did was i changed the etheric matrix on my property right to the border and what did the ants do? they moved their home just beyond the border of my property, the "untreated" area where the etheric matrix is still as chaotic as before and where the energy is still low.

of course, the same can be done in the body - establishing order where before there was chaos (due to electric and magnetic fields or whatever). that way the energy flow increases and the body can heal itself. this takes time and commitment, though. it's subtle energy, after all.

another means is homeopathy because it also directly works on the etheric levels, creating order in plant- or mineral-specific frequencies.

a third way is through orgone accumulators (not the orgonite junk people put on their desks, actual orgone accumulators in which you stand or sit, as described by wilhelm reich). they just make more energy available.

a forth way is acupuncture which is basically spot-orgonization into energy meridians.

blufire

28th June 2014, 13:09

The Truth Is In There

29th June 2014, 10:26

You know guys I truly do not think there is some conspiracy to murder us or depopulate the planet . . . . NOT ANY MORE.

Do I think these nanoparticles exist . . . . Yes . . . . but not for the purpose to kill us or to SPECIFICALLY or PURPOSELY genetically mutate humanity.

As our technology advances these will be issues that we will have to contend with and I feel our scientific community is doing just this. As technology is put into place, then yes, there will be bugs and issues that will have to be worked through and eliminated.
The human body is an incredible biological system. Our bodies WILL adjust to these new elements as we advance into the future. Just as our bodies have adjusted since the time we began to walk planet earth. We are most certainly not the same humanoids we were 10’s of 1,000’s of years ago and we most certainly will not be the same humanoid in the future.

I read all these articles and watch the videos that say we are being ‘softly murdered’ and there is an insidious depopulation agenda happening . . . . and I used to believe it until about 3 or 4 years ago and I started looking at this whole thing objectively, pragmatically and without IMPLANTED fear. At that time I also started remembering what I was told or shown as a child: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?63899-The-New-World-and-Civilization--the-messages-from-my-Contact-as-a-child-

Is there an increase in many diseases (diabetes, heart disease, alzheimer’s, cancer, infertility) Yes! But is this from a planned and implemented agenda???? NO! I do not believe this anymore.

Most of these illnesses, I feel, have increased ‘largely’ from 2 things: (1) there are simply more people and especially the baby boomers are in their final stages of life and so our medical community is struggling with this massive increase of older people. But just as it appears there are more ill people there are JUST AS MANY healthy, vital older people enjoying their older years. (2) Many people simply make poor choices in what they eat and how they take care of themselves. If one were to take a look in the average Americans cupboard you would find predominately highly processed food and bottles of sugary drinks. Fancy boxes full of what I call non-food. Open a bag or box or bottle and simply eat or drink it . . . . very few know how or take the time to cook from scratch or good healthy meals. Instead of getting outside and enjoying nature and outdoor activities, people spend the majority of their time in front of big screen tv’s and computers.

Depopulation agenda???? Well, if there is, they are doing a piss poor job of it . . . . . because the last time I looked the global population is still exponentially increasing.

I'm going out to milk my cows now and hoe my green beans.

you couldn't be more wrong. it's not even necessary to pick out anything you said and explain why you're on the wrong track with it because it's all obvious to anyone who's looking around.

anybody who believes that chemtrails, toxins in food, vaccines, gmo's, microwave terror via cell phones/radar/wifi/radio+tv, haarp and so forth, as well as the suppression of certain health-related information have nothing to do with depopulation, and that the rise in chronic and certain acute diseases is coincidental with our natural human development is completely deluded or brainwashed.

since this thread is about nano particles, let's think for a second about what they do when introduced into the body.

due to their size they can get almost everywhere and due to the vast amount they can't be excreted fast enough and accumulate.

now, having a lot of metal in the body where it certainly does not belong will cause havoc with the natural energy flow, especially considering the fact that by now it has become impossible to avoid technical microwaves. these inevitably create chaos in the etheric body and consequently in the physical. this condition will be heightened by lots of metal in the body. humans are basically turned into (better) antennas and we all know that behaviour can be influenced by microwaves - the more and better "antennas" there are, the easier the manipulation and control...

blufire

29th June 2014, 12:56

since this thread is about nano particles, let's think for a second about what they do when introduced into the body.

due to their size they can get almost everywhere and due to the vast amount they can't be excreted fast enough and accumulate.

now, having a lot of metal in the body where it certainly does not belong will cause havoc with the natural energy flow, especially considering the fact that by now it has become impossible to avoid technical microwaves. these inevitably create chaos in the etheric body and consequently in the physical. this condition will be heightened by lots of metal in the body. humans are basically turned into (better) antennas and we all know that behaviour can be influenced by microwaves - the more and better "antennas" there are, the easier the manipulation and control...

I am looking around and have been for many years. As I said, I used to blindly follow right along with what was being presented in the alternative world and media . . . . but I began to question this information just as much as main stream media and bring all info into a balanced place.

From what I see of the general population today people don’t need silver nano-particles and antennas and microwaves to influence them.

The majority are already controlled and manipulated very easily by big flat screen TV’s, computers (facebook, forums, porn), over processed food and other mindless entertainment.

If anyone is concerned with a build of metals whether it is silver nano-particles or chemtrail metals then there are many simple solutions to detoxing your system from these metals

We are constantly renewing our cellular structure and almost total renewal happens every 7 to 10 years.

I just am trying to encourage everyone that you don’t have to be victims to what you FEEL is taking place at this time. If you believe it then don’t become apathetic and fearful . . . . there are always solutions (like heavy metal detox) . . . . be proactive . . . take personal action.

Dennis Leahy

29th June 2014, 13:46

Good thread, onawah! Thanks for starting it.

We've got to get a few definitions straight: "nanoparticle" being the most critical to understand, and (because of the obvious controversy with silver being both beneficial and disadvantageous), what is the difference between silver nanoparticles and silver in "colloidal silver?"

We have heard the term "monatomic" used, often in relation to gold. "Monatomic" means single atoms. No nanoparticle can be smaller than a single atom of an element, or a single molecule of a compound.

Just because I found an article on the "intertubes" doesn't mean this article is correct, but check out the first few paragraphs of this (http://www.silver-colloids.com/Pubs/Monatomic-Myth.html) article:

The Myth of Monatomic Colloidal Silver
Monatomic colloidal silver is claimed to be colloidal silver that consists of particles that are single atoms of silver suspended in water. It is further claimed that because the silver particles are so small these products do not exhibit a Tyndall (http://www.silver-colloids.com/Papers/definitions.html#Tyndall) effect and the result is a product that is as clear as water.

The Problem with Monatomic Colloidal Silver
One of the forces in nature is the van der Waal's force (http://www.silver-colloids.com/Papers/definitions.html#vanderwaal) of mutual attraction which is an attractive force exerted between similar atoms and molecules. This force causes identical atoms in close proximity to each other to be drawn together to form a cluster of atoms. Such a cluster of silver atoms is called a silver particle (http://www.silver-colloids.com/Papers/definitions.html#silver.particles). When the distance separating individual atoms is within a few atomic diameters, the force of mutual attraction that would cause the atoms to be drawn together can exceed 100,000 G-forces. At the atomic level there exists no counter force to prevent the atoms from coming together in a process called aggregation (http://www.silver-colloids.com/Papers/definitions.html#aggregation).

Aggregation would cause the particles to grow in size until they are large enough to create a zeta potential (http://www.silver-colloids.com/Papers/definitions.html#zeta.potential) which produces a mutual repulsion (http://www.silver-colloids.com/Papers/definitions.html#mutual.repulsion) force. The mutual repulsion created by the the zeta potential counters the attractive force thus allowing the colloid to reach a stable condition. Single atoms are not large enough to create a zeta potential charge and therefore have no force to counter the mutual attraction.

It is the van der Waal's force (http://www.silver-colloids.com/Papers/definitions.html#vanderwaal) of mutual attraction that prevents the existence of colloids whose particles are single atoms. The probability of the existence of monatomic colloids is virtually zero. This statement applies to the claims for monatomic colloids of other metals as well, such as gold, copper, zinc, platinum, palladium, rhodium, etc.
So, the manufacture of ionic silver may indeed release individual atoms ("monatomic") of silver, but they will immediately aggregate into particles larger than monatomic size.

The manufacture of true colloidal silver may indeed release individual atoms ("monatomic") of silver, and more of the individual particles remain as monatomic particles, suspended in the liquid.

What exactly is being sprayed onto produce or other industrial use? Probably not colloidal silver (too expensive), probably ionic silver (less expensive), which is bacteriostatic and (I think importantly) not truly nano-particle sized.

I think it is also fair to actually mention the name of the author of this particular article cited in the OP is Jonathan Landsman, not Mike Adams. If you take a peek at the website from which I grabbed a few paragraphs, you'll see that there is confusion (some may be deliberate sales hype) over the terminology used to describe ultra-small particles, and we have no way of knowing whether the information cited by Landsman (dipping pears in a supposed nanoparticle silver solution) was actually using nanoparticles or not, and Landsman's conclusions may be erroneously comparing true nanoparticles to larger particles - which may have different cellular effects.

I think the OP is valid in calling attention to the unintentional ingestion of (unlabeled) ultra-small particles (silver, in this case) as being a health hazard. And, I think that - until I have solid information to make me change my mind - colloidal silver will remain in my "medicine cabinet", used sparingly and appropriately. I mentioned elsewhere just having killed a MRSA infection on my leg using a combination of Oil of Oregano and colloidal silver (brand: Source Naturals. "Wellness Colloidal Silver 30 ppm")

As an aside, I don't doubt that blufire is correct, and that there are indeed scientists working toward humans adapting to the new conditions of a toxic planet, working toward longevity and vitality and ensuring the continuation of a fraction of humanity. Unfortunately, I believe they are in underground bunkers, working for the "Dark Underlords/Overlords", and not for humanity as a whole. I'm not sure how much of the effluent of industrial civilization is literally deliberately targeted at the expendable mass of humanity, and how much of it is just the result of toxins unnecessarily generated in a greed-driven sociopathic corporate agenda. Probably some of each.

Dennis

onawah

29th June 2014, 16:49

And thanks for the great post, Dennis!
Especially the following, which I'm sure most of us will agree certainly puts the situation in its correct perspective. :nod:
My hope is that we won't have to continue doing that until the very last gasp of this present, suicidal paradigm, but if we do, than may we continue to do it as well as you just did! :rockon:

As an aside, I don't doubt that blufire is correct, and that there are indeed scientists working toward humans adapting to the new conditions of a toxic planet, working toward longevity and vitality and ensuring the continuation of a fraction of humanity. Unfortunately, I believe they are in underground bunkers, working for the "Dark Underlords/Overlords", and not for humanity as a whole. I'm not sure how much of the effluent of industrial civilization is literally deliberately targeted at the expendable mass of humanity, and how much of it is just the result of toxins unnecessarily generated in a greed-driven sociopathic corporate agenda. Probably some of each.

Dennis

The Truth Is In There

30th June 2014, 10:12

blufire

30th June 2014, 19:06

From what I see of the general population today people don’t need silver nano-particles and antennas and microwaves to influence them.

The majority are already controlled and manipulated very easily by big flat screen TV’s, computers (facebook, forums, porn), over processed food and other mindless entertainment.

you forget that microwaves are all around us, all the time. don't you think everybody is influenced 24/7 by these microwaves which create chaos in our body's energetic system?

everything radiates, a lot of it in the microwave spectrum, but the wavelength doesn't matter all that much. what matters are resonance and intensity. the majority of man-made things radiate in a manner that is degenerative to our health (physical, emotional, mental) because instead of order they create disorder. technical microwaves are a lot more harmful, however, because their energy is more intense.

bodies that continually accumulate metallic particles (not just silver, also aluminum, barium, etc.) which is completely unbiologic, will definitely be influenced more strongly than organisms without an excess of these particles, especially in the brains and nervous system.

our cells do regenerate but don't forget that these particles are in the environment all the time, getting more and more. it's not as if we were exposed once and then no more. the body can't get rid of them because these days accumulation usually happens faster than removal.

Okay guys then what do we do???

If this is so insidious and we are all being killed, programed, altered, poisoned . . . . . whatever you would like to add here . . . what are our options? Are we just perpetual victims and lambs to the slaughter?

You asked if I thought we were constantly being influenced by these microwaves and my answer is NO I don’t . . . I look at myself and I don’t see any difference nor do I see a difference in the people I know well or those in my community.

Are people more stressed and weary? Yes! Because of the state of our economy and day to day living . . . not from microwaves or silver nano-particles.

What do we do?? Live in a faraday cage?

Every one of you that are convinced that you are being affected by these things still live the exact same lifestyle . . .you change nothing . . . you CHOOSE to live the same technology and day to day activities.

I will say this, if I were under the same belief of something so incredibly sinister I certainly would not continue to choose to remain flat in the middle of it and participate in the very technology.

It is not logical to me that if you TRULY BELIEVE that these things are so treacherous that you wouldn’t be jumping into action and eliminate them immediately from your life.

Why aren’t you?? I really do wish somebody would tell me.

onawah

30th June 2014, 21:08

Blufire please go and start your own thread if you really want someone to discuss this with you.
Your comments on this one are not on topic, and I consider them to be disruptive and counterproductive.
Thank you.

blufire

30th June 2014, 21:45

Onawah I truly do apologize.

But I do feel my posts are on topic, perhaps not in the same vain or direction you would like or prefer.

I really would like to know what our options are if this (silver nano-particles) is occurring as it is presented here.

Several here truly do believe this is a serious factor in our lives and obviously I do not (my opinion of course) and so what should we do??

I am asking this seriously.

One of the reasons I moved from Kansas back to Appalachia is because of what I am now remembering from childhood contact and Kansas is not the best place to be in the very near future . . . actually right now. (my opinion again)
I took action with what I see as a real threat . . . . .

There are many threads that present information such as this one that is very important, but they stop there. Shouldn’t we take it further and present options to address it?

I apologize if my frustration and concern is viewed as being disruptive.

But out of respect to your last post this will be my last post on your thread.

Kristin

30th June 2014, 22:08

With the intention of self moderation, thank you Bluefire for choosing to bow out of this conversation.

From the Heart,
Kristin

onawah

1st July 2014, 03:10

If we have established that this is a problem, which I think we have, and it clearly is, we can certainly also explore and discuss the ways in which we can protect, detox and decontaminate ourselves.
There are well developed threads already on Avalon which have been doing this.

We can build our immune systems, a process which has been explored on Dawn's thread at: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?43548-The-gut-of-most-disease...-NOT-what-you-think-
detoxify using info from this thread: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?71893-My-experience-of-taking-Hydrogen-Peroxide-35-food-grade-diluted-in-water
and this one (though it's new):
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?72634-Sprouting-for-health-and-detoxification
Quite a few Avalonians have found help with the bioresonance device described here:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?66165-MUST-SEE---Russia-s-Deta-Elis-Star-Trek-Medicine-Bioresonance
and so on...
Though these threads may not all be addressing the problem of nanoparticles directly, every little bit helps

I intend to get some of the homeopathic remedy Aurum Metallicum soon, and I expect it will help.
I have been finding homeopathic remedies to be very beneficial, though because they are subtle, many don't have the patience to stick with them.
The trick is finding the right one.

From what I see of the general population today people don’t need silver nano-particles and antennas and microwaves to influence them.

The majority are already controlled and manipulated very easily by big flat screen TV’s, computers (facebook, forums, porn), over processed food and other mindless entertainment.

you forget that microwaves are all around us, all the time. don't you think everybody is influenced 24/7 by these microwaves which create chaos in our body's energetic system?

everything radiates, a lot of it in the microwave spectrum, but the wavelength doesn't matter all that much. what matters are resonance and intensity. the majority of man-made things radiate in a manner that is degenerative to our health (physical, emotional, mental) because instead of order they create disorder. technical microwaves are a lot more harmful, however, because their energy is more intense.

bodies that continually accumulate metallic particles (not just silver, also aluminum, barium, etc.) which is completely unbiologic, will definitely be influenced more strongly than organisms without an excess of these particles, especially in the brains and nervous system.

our cells do regenerate but don't forget that these particles are in the environment all the time, getting more and more. it's not as if we were exposed once and then no more. the body can't get rid of them because these days accumulation usually happens faster than removal.

The Truth Is In There

1st July 2014, 09:19

i'd like to add to your suggestions (and those of others) these:

- remove yourself as much as possible from the influence of technical microwaves and all sorts of man-made electricity. these things are highly disruptive to our energy systems and the chaos they create persists and increases. most of us are not that far advanced that we can erect etheric shields which are completely impenetrable, especially if the disruptive influence is strong.

this is especially important and relative to this thread's topic because the blood/brain barrier may be opened by microwaves (such as from cell phones or wifi) and the like. thus metals and other stuff that's in the blood and not supposed to enter the brain will do just that.

-as regards detoxification - like all processes it requires energy, so the body has to be supplied with as much vital energy as possible. that means the places where people live, the food they eat, the water they drink and bath in, their bodies, blood, etc. etc. all these things should be "energized", which basically means that a high order (vibration) should be established through focus and willpower.

a simple and relatively effective way is that of "blessing one's food" or trying to hold on to thoughts and feelings of a high vibration and eliminating those of a low, coarse form. in time this will create a higher order in the mental, astral and etheric bodies and consequently more energy can flow downwards into the physical body - just what is neded to detox, heal and rejuvenate.

Kristin

3rd July 2014, 14:14

This is an important thread, I'm happy to see it back on track and moving forward! Thank you Onawah for continuing! This information is fascinating.

From the Heart,
Kristin

Bill Ryan

3rd July 2014, 14:44

From what I see of the general population today people don’t need silver nano-particles and antennas and microwaves to influence them.

The majority are already controlled and manipulated very easily by big flat screen TV’s, computers (facebook, forums, porn), over processed food and other mindless entertainment.

Yes, there are many factors. Microwaves (and other EMFs) are certainly among them. They are used to dumb down large populations on a broad-brush basis. It's one of the list of reasons why there are now very few protests in the streets or on student campuses -- as there were everywhere in the 70s.

Do check out Barrie Trower's work (http://ascendingstarseed.wordpress.com/2013/10/27/barrie-trower-the-cooking-of-humanity/) on Smart Meters and Microwaves. IMPORTANT FOR EVERYONE TO UNDERSTAND.

And also everything from Dr Robert Duncan (http://projectsoulcatcher.blogspot.com/) -- who, interestingly, says the best way to insulate oneself is to spend time in a ceramic-tiled bathroom (ceramics are used in the stealth bomber, with other materials such as teflon, as insulation from EMFs).

And read this, from Al Bielek and Preston Nichols. (They're 100% right about this. Note what they say about the FEMA camps -- the 'Plan B' for those against whom the mind control doesn't work. This interview was a long time ago!)
http://www.whale.to/b/orion.html

What did they actually prove that they could do when the experiments were over?

What they essentially proved they could do was that they could control a person that they had the "signature" for. This pattern that was unique to an individual could be put into the computer program for the transmitter. A second order wavelength would be transmitted that has a lower attenuation and affects that person's mind directly.

There could be a command to do anything focused at the person. Once a device was constructed that illustrated this principle on a wide scale, a mental message was put out that if anybody heard the message they were to call a certain phone number. Over 600 calls came from all over the East coast all the way down to Florida. It works.

There is not only an individual signature. There's a racial signature and also a universal signal for the human race. The government has used all three to target specific individuals.

They have also done group messages targeted on a specific racial or ethnic group. That's common. In Boston and New York they were doing experiments on "mood control" on the cities. Transmitters used no longer exist, but the technology does.

Do targeted individuals perceive what they are receiving as their own thought?

Yes.

Is there any defense against that?

Yes and no. Theoretically no. This is what the government depends on. Practically speaking, they can't get everyone, because some people are naturally resistant, depending on their level of mental and psychic development. Perhaps 5% of the population do not respond to these signals. If they get 95% coverage, they don't care about that 5%. That's what they have the riot squads and the concentration camps for. There is no defense unless you can interfere with that signal. Some people just don't react.

So they transmit a thought signal?

Not exactly. If you were put on an EEG, you would exhibit a certain pattern of electrical responses. These can be recorded and they are unique to you. It can be recorded and stored and replicated on a computer. If they can replicate your RNA/DNA pattern they've got you too - for life.

jbins

3rd July 2014, 18:18

Tried reading the OP the other day and my bs meter started pinging. Just felt like their type of journalism, as some others have alluded to. Then I happened to stumble upon this today, http://www.tbyil.com/Organic_Food_Betrayal.htm and http://www.tbyil.com/EPA_Petition_Funding.htm just some food for thought.

Seems to me like colloidal silver is the true target of this campaign. The lines are so blurry these days it becomes difficult to see who's who and what they really care about.

onawah

3rd July 2014, 18:56

If you read the rest of the thread, jbins, I think you will arrive at a much different conclusion. Just reading the OP really doesn't give you the whole picture.
Tried reading the OP the other day and my bs meter started pinging. Just felt like their type of journalism, as some others have alluded to. Then I happened to stumble upon this today, http://www.tbyil.com/Organic_Food_Betrayal.htm and http://www.tbyil.com/EPA_Petition_Funding.htm just some food for thought.

Seems to me like colloidal silver is the true target of this campaign. The lines are so blurry these days it becomes difficult to see who's who and what they really care about.

jbins

3rd July 2014, 19:03

Yes, i did read the rest of the thread that is why i posted. Did you read the links i posted?

onawah

3rd July 2014, 19:33

Yes, I did read your links, but once again, the point is not whether small, controlled doses of nano silver are beneficial, but what is the cumulative effect of quantities of nano particles in our clothes, food, air, etc.
Did you read The Truth is in There's posts?: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?72526-Dangers-of-silver-nanoparticles-in-food-and-air&p=848527&viewfull=1#post848527
since this thread is about nano particles, let's think for a second about what they do when introduced into the body.

due to their size they can get almost everywhere and due to the vast amount they can't be excreted fast enough and accumulate.

now, having a lot of metal in the body where it certainly does not belong will cause havoc with the natural energy flow, especially considering the fact that by now it has become impossible to avoid technical microwaves. these inevitably create chaos in the etheric body and consequently in the physical. this condition will be heightened by lots of metal in the body. humans are basically turned into (better) antennas and we all know that behaviour can be influenced by microwaves - the more and better "antennas" there are, the easier the manipulation and control...
and
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?72526-Dangers-of-silver-nanoparticles-in-food-and-air&p=848853&viewfull=1#post848853

Quote Posted by blufire (here)
From what I see of the general population today people don’t need silver nano-particles and antennas and microwaves to influence them.

The majority are already controlled and manipulated very easily by big flat screen TV’s, computers (facebook, forums, porn), over processed food and other mindless entertainment.
you forget that microwaves are all around us, all the time. don't you think everybody is influenced 24/7 by these microwaves which create chaos in our body's energetic system?

everything radiates, a lot of it in the microwave spectrum, but the wavelength doesn't matter all that much. what matters are resonance and intensity. the majority of man-made things radiate in a manner that is degenerative to our health (physical, emotional, mental) because instead of order they create disorder. technical microwaves are a lot more harmful, however, because their energy is more intense.

bodies that continually accumulate metallic particles (not just silver, also aluminum, barium, etc.) which is completely unbiologic, will definitely be influenced more strongly than organisms without an excess of these particles, especially in the brains and nervous system.

our cells do regenerate but don't forget that these particles are in the environment all the time, getting more and more. it's not as if we were exposed once and then no more. the body can't get rid of them because these days accumulation usually happens faster than removal.

and Dennis Leahy's post?:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?72526-Dangers-of-silver-nanoparticles-in-food-and-air&p=848592&viewfull=1#post848592

I think the OP is valid in calling attention to the unintentional ingestion of (unlabeled) ultra-small particles (silver, in this case) as being a health hazard. And, I think that - until I have solid information to make me change my mind - colloidal silver will remain in my "medicine cabinet", used sparingly and appropriately. I mentioned elsewhere just having killed a MRSA infection on my leg using a combination of Oil of Oregano and colloidal silver (brand: Source Naturals. "Wellness Colloidal Silver 30 ppm")

As an aside, I don't doubt that blufire is correct, and that there are indeed scientists working toward humans adapting to the new conditions of a toxic planet, working toward longevity and vitality and ensuring the continuation of a fraction of humanity. Unfortunately, I believe they are in underground bunkers, working for the "Dark Underlords/Overlords", and not for humanity as a whole. I'm not sure how much of the effluent of industrial civilization is literally deliberately targeted at the expendable mass of humanity, and how much of it is just the result of toxins unnecessarily generated in a greed-driven sociopathic corporate agenda. Probably some of each.

Not to mention Bill's!: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?72526-Dangers-of-silver-nanoparticles-in-food-and-air&p=849901&viewfull=1#post849901

The Truth Is In There

4th July 2014, 11:15

Is there any defense against that?

Yes and no. Theoretically no. This is what the government depends on. Practically speaking, they can't get everyone, because some people are naturally resistant, depending on their level of mental and psychic development. Perhaps 5% of the population do not respond to these signals. If they get 95% coverage, they don't care about that 5%. That's what they have the riot squads and the concentration camps for. There is no defense unless you can interfere with that signal. Some people just don't react.

this is important. you can develop a natural resistance by controlling your thoughts. the mental plane is above the astral and physical in the control grid, so if you control your thoughts you control your emotions and physical body, too.

most of the thoughts in our brains are not our own but thought forms put out by other people that we just happen to pick up. theosophical writings are interesting in that regard. they also detail the structure of the control grid that keeps us imprisoned on earth (not much longer, though) although they conveniently "forgot" to mention who controls it.

anyway, i'm using my mind to control my thoughts and emotions, to remove etheric blockages and to get a feeling of the energy of things, places and people. all this helps to stay not only physically healthy but also relaxed no matter what thoughts or emotions affect the people around me. it's not always easy but i'm getting better all the time and i also stay away from large crowds as much as possible.

we're not victims who can do nothing, even if nano particles and microwaves are everywhere these days. as long as we don't get a microchip (soulstone) we retain a measure of control. once you get a chip it's too late, though. they can control people through the chip or simply put another consciousness on the chip which will then control your body (even though the tech is flawed) and that's that.

we just need to "stay clean" a little while longer. i think it's no coincidence that all this technology has been given to governments only in the last few decades. these are the last desperate attempts of the reptilian controllers to postpone or change the inevitable. once the control grid breaks down all who are still on earth will finally be free again.

onawah

4th July 2014, 16:45

onawah

5th July 2014, 02:47

I was looking back to earlier posts on the Simon Parkes thread and found this post from Flash:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?30323-Simon-Parkes-about-Mantis-Aliens-Reptiles-and-other-aliens.&p=641842&viewfull=1#post641842
I can't copy it here since that is a members only thread, and this isn't, but Flash's question certainly has bearing on this subject.
I am going to post Flash's question on Simon's thread, along with the OP of this thread...though he may have answered the question already on his thread, I haven't been able to find it yet.
Here's the link for that: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?30323-Simon-Parkes-about-Mantis-Aliens-Reptiles-and-other-aliens.&p=850373&viewfull=1#post850373
And I will send a query to a Mod to see what is permissible to post here.

Flash

5th July 2014, 04:48

you have my permission to post that post of mine here Onawah. However, i do not think I had an answer to the questions from Simon. And if i did (i truly do not think i had an answer), the answer could not be posted here without Simon's permission either.

Flash:

Hi Simon,

An new question for you regarding chipping. From what I read in other threads, RFID chipping would no longer be necessary. It seems that technology can map out our brain patterns that are picked by satellite and then zoom, we are under the control/impulse of those same satellites themselves controlled by artificial intelligence, all human creations this time around. I presume, right or wrong, that ETs can and are already doing this.

1.What do you know about this?
2.Are ETs using such technologies on us? and for which purpose?
3.How far are human Illuminatis gone on it and where are they at?
4.If it is the case, how do we do to be able to protect ourselves from these invasive intents?

Thanks in advance, many thanks in fact.

see: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...-Robert-Duncan

I was looking back to earlier posts on the Simon Parkes thread and found this post from Flash:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?30323-Simon-Parkes-about-Mantis-Aliens-Reptiles-and-other-aliens.&p=641842&viewfull=1#post641842
I can't copy it here since that is a members only thread, and this isn't, but Flash's question certainly has bearing on this subject.
I am going to post Flash's question on Simon's thread, along with the OP of this thread...though he may have answered the question already on his thread, I haven't been able to find it yet.
Here's the link for that: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?30323-Simon-Parkes-about-Mantis-Aliens-Reptiles-and-other-aliens.&p=850373&viewfull=1#post850373
And I will send a query to a Mod to see what is permissible to post here.

onawah

5th July 2014, 05:06

Thanks Flash. Yes, members may have to go to Simon's thread to read his answer, but I will give the link for that if we get an answer from him.
In any case, here is Flash's post with the relevant question:

Hi Simon,

An new question for you regarding chipping. From what I read in other threads, RFID chipping would no longer be necessary. It seems that technology can map out our brain patterns that are picked by satellite and then zoom, we are under the control/impulse of those same satellites themselves controlled by artificial intelligence, all human creations this time around. I presume, right or wrong, that ETs can and are already doing this.

What do you know about this?
Are ETs using such technologies on us? and for which purpose?
How far are human Illuminatis gone on it and where are they at?
If it is the case, how do we do to be able to protect ourselves from these invasive intents?

Thanks in advance, many thanks in fact.

see: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...-Robert-Duncan

Phoenix1304

5th July 2014, 08:23

Greetings All

I have to agree with Blufire regarding Mike Adams, I’m not sure what motivates him now, though clearly his site delivers a stonking great paycheck every week. I still get his newsletter but skim it usually with a feeling of ‘oh here we ago again, more bad news, with ‘scientists say’, ‘data shows’, we’re all fukushima’d and with questionable back up links much of the time and for quite some time my instincts have been bristling ‘don’t listen to this guy’. Of the links provided in this case, one didn’t work, one, Beyond Pesticides, had the rank smell of a corporate stooge and the other was inconclusive to say the least.

Personally, I’m a great fan of nano-silver and have taken it for years and shared it with many others as an alternative to the cell killing, IBS causing, life-negating antibiotics that are so popular. I used to distribute the product Silverbiotics in UK actually, and when EU ‘regulators’ fought hard to deter it’s distribution for internal use, that was a green light for it’s efficacy as far as I was concerned. There is no doubt about it’s antibacterial action. The company have spent hundreds of thousands of dollars doing their own testing and research and claim that the particles flush through the system within 24 hours. http://ablsilver.com/silver-biotics.php if you want to know more you can dig around their site. You should learn about their own trials and incredible success in treating malaria with nano-sliver. Funny how the mainstream never picked that up.

I’m not a scientist and I’m in no position to argue the finer points of chemistry and cellular biology on this one, I go with my gut and the empirical evidence. Nowadays I occasionally use ionic silver often recommended for it’s antibacterial properties by a brilliant alternative practitioner/kinesiologist/chiro who has become my substitute doctor. I might also try an occasional slurp of turps that I learnt about on a thread here at Avalon. Old remedies making a comeback. Cowboys used to throw silver dollars into a barrel and drink the water from that for cures, apparently, according to Silverbiotics historical anecdotes, but I think we all know that these days it’s paramount to go with what ‘resonates’ and avoid what doesn’t. So far, I’m still as anti-corruption, anti-slavery, poisonous food, air and water as I ever was, so my ingestion of silver nano-particles has done nothing to bend me to the will of the overlords. But now, of course, I will have to process the overwhelming number of negatives provided by Mr Adams and wonder if it’s the silver that seems to have me on an accelerated aging path, instead of perhaps accepting the fact that I’m old and tired and am pretty much forced into a toxic lifestyle with diminishing alternatives that are constantly being demonised by the corporate beasts.

Rather than fretting about what so far has proved to be a very good alternative to the high-profit chemicals dished out at the doctor’s surgeries, it might be better to be concerned about a Friends of the Earth report last year (or the year before) that showed that 60% of Europeans have the carcinogenic weedkiller Roundup in their urine. Thanks Monsanto.

I accept that I might be proved wrong on this sometime in the future, but based on my experience to date and present feeling, I’m calling Adams a schill.

onawah

5th July 2014, 16:32

Once again, let me state that the credibility of Mike Adams is not the focus of this thread, nor is the advisability of taking colloidal silver, though I agree that Adams is not all that reliable.
However, Adams was not the author of the OP article, Jonathan Landsman was, and if you check the links for the sources of the information in the OP article, you will find that the information is based on credible research.
Furthermore, that article is not by any means the only source of information pointing to the inundation of our skies, food and more with nanoparticles and other means of tracking and controlling us.
It is just another one to add to the list.
Can we please stay on topic? :focus:
See: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?72526-Dangers-of-silver-nanoparticles-in-food-and-air&p=850019&viewfull=1#post850019
Thank you.

The Truth Is In There

6th July 2014, 10:49

Thanks TTIIT, I would really like to hear more about your views on this.
They coincide with what Simon Parkes has been saying, which rings true for me.
Would you be interested in starting a new thread about this (or is there one already)?
It seems clear that if there's one thing that we really need to get out there to as many people as possible, it's the truth about chipping!

we're not victims who can do nothing, even if nano particles and microwaves are everywhere these days. as long as we don't get a microchip (soulstone) we retain a measure of control. once you get a chip it's too late, though. they can control people through the chip or simply put another consciousness on the chip which will then control your body (even though the tech is flawed) and that's that.

we just need to "stay clean" a little while longer. i think it's no coincidence that all this technology has been given to governments only in the last few decades. these are the last desperate attempts of the reptilian controllers to postpone or change the inevitable. once the control grid breaks down all who are still on earth will finally be free again.

i'll just post a bit of info i gathered here. you're welcome to start and new thread about it and have this post moved there by a mod.

one thing about the microchips (beyond allowing remote control, i assume) is that consciousness (human, reptilian and other) can be transferred on a chip. donald marshall talked about that. the rich people who don't want to die will have their consciousness transferred on a chip and then that chip will be implanted in another person. they take over that body then but it's flawed technology. they're slower, dumber, turn into pedophiles (if they haven't already been before), and basically become half-zombies who need a handler to take care of them.

so this is one technology that exists and they're certainly trying to improve it further. if a person already has a chip it will be no problem to control or bodysnatch them remotely.

another thing donald marshall mentioned is haarp, that when the grid is complete they'll have total control over humans even without microchips. nanoparticles in chemtrails may play a part in that, too. people are filled with the stuff to become proper antennas.

incidentally, that matches the info from a book by an austrian writer. it's written as "true fiction" because a lot of his experiences are supposedly true but quite unbelievable, having to do with natural time portals and other things. he mentioned in one of his books that he was allowed to view the year 2090 (or thereabouts) through technology that germans have had since the 1940s. the first time there was a gigantic structure, a tower or something, and he was told that it's part of a grid that controls humans which by that time have been turned into mindless slaves through that. this is in fact what the reptilians have planned for humanity and which is currently in the works.

however, due to certain things he did (he seems to be one of the people who have an important role to play during these times) the probable future he saw changed and the next time that tower was no longer there. so because of what he did and possibly many others throughout the world do, our future changes to the positive.

here's a very interesting interview with peggy kane which put some things into perspective for me, especially regarding the so-called "planet x" and that this is in fact the cause for the removal of the prison grid.

now i can make sense of the prophecies of the hopi, the bible etc. that talk about the dead coming back to life or how bad people experience unimaginable horrors while good ones will experience none of that. it has to do with the breakdown of the grid and the intermingling of the different levels on which our souls operate - physical, astral, etc. when we become aware of the astral it will be horrible for negative people because their low vibration matches that of the lower astral where the reptilians and other negative entities are. the higher the vibration of a person at that time, the less negativity will be experienced.

i assume this is why ww3 and civil wars are planned to happen before that event, because a lot of people will turn savage and it will become a feast for the reptilians, the last before they have to leave. the timing also matches a lot of prophecies precisely. so the smart thing to do is stay positive whatever happens. a high vibration may save people a lot of pain in the long run.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYfyI0CZX5A

onawah

6th July 2014, 17:24

Thanks again, TTIIT. This thread may have run its course, but has good seeds for a new one, something about the utter necessity for staying positive. I will ask a Mod for some help with this.
This post from Araucaria caught my eye from:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?72748-Karen-Hudes-Criminal-Banking-Cartel-Will-Soon-Be-History---&p=850694&viewfull=1#post850694

Posted by vilcabamba (here)
A tactic the Illuminati has used in history is to make patriots believe that they have won prematurely. This is so the patriots get lazy and stand down. We have to be careful with info that they are done b/c so far we have been lied to more then have been told the truth by people that think they have the truth.
Conversely, in French we have a saying, ‘chat échaudé craint l’eau froide’, meaning a cat that has scalded is afraid of cold water; nowadays this notion of scalding has this figurative usage when an unpleasant experience in the past can prevent you from even imagining that something might ever be actually pleasant or beneficial. This has been going on for so long that it is a big part of the problem.

onawah

6th July 2014, 21:00

That video of Peggy Kane immediately made me think of this interview:
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...with the comparison of Gurdjieff and Castaneda, and knowing the difference between what is spiritual and what is psychic.
Many people who dabble in psychic phenomena do not realize they are opening themselves to all kinds of dangers.
I think the best protection we can have is to be grounded in and connected to the Earth as much as possible.

The energy of the Earth is simple and pure, it's whole and natural and very nurturing and empowering, especially if you can access it directly such as in a forest, on a mountain, beach, etc.
But it has to be a conscious, intentional connection.
I don't think everyone understands this.
Just being in Nature doesn't automatically give you a strong enough connection--I think you have to work at it, physically connect as much as possible.
When we venture into the astral realms without understanding what we are doing, we can weaken that Earth connection and that makes us vulnerable to all kinds of entities.
Another good example of what can happen is the fictional character Saruman from Lord of the Rings, a white wizard who was ensnared by the Dark Lord when he became fascinated by the study of the Dark Arts, and became convinced that the Dark was all powerful.
Though being naive and in denial about the reality of the Dark and its power can be just as dangerous.
I think what happens is that New Age people are really only connecting with their conceptual image of the Earth energy, not with the real energy of Earth, and they need a really strong awakening experience to recognize the difference (been there, done that! )
Having plain, good old common sense with feet firmly planted on the ground demonstrates more wisdom than is given credit for.

Personally I would trade all the technology in the world just to have the Earth restored to her natural, pristine state with a humanity committed to living with her in peace and harmony.
I think that might be as good a source of protection from predators and parasites as any technology could offer.
But Simon and others have said that we have to know how to protect ourselves, and I think that was mainly in reference to technology, and so we probably need both.
The trick, I imagine, will be in knowing how to balance them, to keep the earth healthy without overdoing the technology.

Bob

7th July 2014, 16:09

REAL Spraying with SILVER nanoparticles is happening. They use a Silver and Iodine mixture, (silver iodide). And it actually does mess with the clouds, and creates "seed locations" for water to nucleate onto. It starts out small, then grows progressively larger.

There is a concern with what happens when that much silver from the clouds falls to earth. Such as it poison's fish. Any fish die-off's reported?

Scientific American hard copy magazine this month had an article talking about the various methods of cloud seeding going on, and mentioned specifically that Ski Areas have been cloud seeding for years, up in the Colorado Mountains, that it "costs less" than using Snow Making Machines (and all that water needed to be pumped onto the slopes)..

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4c/Cloud_Seeding.svg/450px-Cloud_Seeding.svg.png

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/eb/Cloudseedingimagerevised.jpg/450px-Cloudseedingimagerevised.jpg

We had talked about in other threads the dangers of nanoparticles, now how nano's can grow to larger finally visible particles. The technique does happen with the silver nanos.

Who elsewhere is putting silver nano's into the air (food chain, water) ?

Clouds were seeded during the 2008 Summer Olympics in Beijing using rockets, to "drain them", so that there would be no rain during the opening and closing ceremonies. China regularly cloud seeds with silver iodide particles.

The US military felt that putting silver nanoparticles into the air was OK during the Viet Nam conflagrations. From March 1967 until July 1972, the U.S. military's "Operation Popeye" cloud-seeded silver iodide to extend the monsoon season over North Vietnam, specifically the Ho Chi Minh Trail.

In 1978, an estimated 2,740 metric tons (metric ton = 1,000 kg) of silver were released into the US environment.

24 countries currently practice weather modification operationally by putting silver compounds into the air by plane or ground based "silver smoke" generators.

Jakarta and Malaysia and Indonesia have started cloud seeding experiments. Any coincidence there with the storms in 2013?

Eleven western states and one Canadian province (Alberta) have ongoing weather modification operational programs for putting silver into the air.

Cloud seeding began in France during the 1950s putting silver into the air.

A similar project in Spain is managed by the Consorcio por la Lucha Antigranizo de Aragon. Silver is put into the air there.

Soviet military pilots seeded clouds over the Belorussian SSR after the Chernobyl disaster to remove radioactive particles from clouds heading toward Moscow. At the July 2006 G8 Summit, President Putin commented that air force jets had been deployed to seed incoming clouds so they rained over Finland.

In Germany civic engagement societies organise cloud seeding on a region level.

December 2006, the Queensland government of Australia announced a $7.6 million in funding for "warm cloud" seeding research to be conducted jointly by the Australian Bureau of Meteorology and the United States National Center for Atmospheric Research.

In Mali and Niger, cloud seeding is also used on a national scale.

Summarizing: SILVER is being put into the air, allegedly for "cloud seeding", or making rain or making snow, or weather modification attempts. It is the real "spraying" that is happening.

onawah

7th July 2014, 16:37

See some of Simon's views on these issues in this post from his thread: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?30323-Simon-Parkes-about-Mantis-Aliens-Reptiles-and-other-aliens.&p=850564&viewfull=1#post850564

onawah

5th August 2014, 22:34

I just found some more info about the homeopathic remedy aurum metallicum here:
http://eucach.wordpress.com/2014/01/30/gold-against-mind-control/
From a group called "European Coalition Against Covert Harassment
They have a Facebook page too: https://www.facebook.com/eucach
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Gold against Mind Control
Millions of healthy and normal people all over the world complain about hearing foreign voices in their skull (v2k), about being targeted by unknown radiation; about being tormented and raped by this radiation, about that someone is able to read their thoughts (synthetic telepathy) and making comments on them, about getting their memories hacked, about somebody seeing with their eyes/hearing with their ears and commenting those signals.

Those people are called targeted individuals (ti). Their number is constantly growing.

Every day since I started recording live interviews with ti’sabout 3 years ago, I receive at least one e-mail, one phone call or one letter from a desperate ti from all corners in the world. They contact me because I take them serious and listen to them. I do not go into the evil and carefully designedtrap that claims, they are mentally ill. I studied the research from David Icke, Cathy O’Brien, Helmut Lammer och Heiner Gehring that opened my eyes for this covert technology, which targets people since more than 60 years.

The majority of the ti’s are not aware that they are targeted. Otherwise the mental enslavement would not work. But a growing minority is aware of the technology and complain. Thanks to the Internet they can learn about other ti’s and realize that they are not crazy or alone.

BRAIN IMPLANT

We found out that the secret services of Russia, USA, Israel and Sweden developed the mind control technology using a secret physics: scalar waves. Since the death of James Clerk Maxwell 1879 physicists forged intentionally the Maxwell field equations and put the part describing the scalar waves wrongly to zero, so that today only the electromagnetic wave is explained by the Maxwell equation torso. Thanks to physics professor Konstantin Meyl do we now know a lot about scalar waves. Those being relevant for our body are the magnetic scalar waves. They transport neutrinos quicker than light and penetrate everything, even the whole earth. They transport both, energy and information, enabling them to transfer holographic 3d coloured pictures and thoughts, not build up by pixels.

After long research and waiting I got a hint in Germany about a year ago, that gold protects against mind control. Gold emits destructive interference against scalar waves disturbing the resonance between the chip/DNA in a ti and the beamer in the hands of a criminal secret agent or doctor.

Real ti’s don’t have money, so they can’t afford gold. That’s why we found out that homeopathic gold (aurum metallicum) helps. It is very cheap and available in most countries. Homeopathy does not help with chemical instruments but with physical, simply by waves, constructive and destructive interference. The potencies D12, D30 and C100 gave best results with a lot of ti’s that tested it. Side effects are not known.

eucach

We started 2013 a European ti association: European Coalition against Covert Harassment (EUCACH), seated in Sweden. Everybody may become a member.

White TV: http://www.whitetv.se/sv/mind-control-mk-ultra/785.html

and from that youtube page where the video is:
Published on Jan 30, 2014
After long research and waiting I got a hint in Germany about a year ago, that gold protects against mind control. Gold emits destructive interference against scalar waves disturbing the resonance between the chip/DNA in a targeted individual and the beamer in the hands of a criminal secret agent or doctor.

Real ti's don't have money, so they can't afford gold. That's why we found out that homeopathic gold (aurum metallicum) helps. It is very cheap and available in most countries. Homeopathy does not help with chemical instruments but with physical, simply by waves, constructive and destructive interference. The potencies D12, D30 and C100 gave best results with a lot of ti's that tested it. Side effects are not known.

We started 2013 a European ti association: European Coalition against Covert Harassment (EUCACH), seated in Sweden. Everybody may become a member.

Listen now to my interview with the most famous ti, Magnus Olsson from Sweden and managing director of EUCACH, about his very liberating experience with homeopathic gold during 2013.
http://www.whitetv.se/sv/mind-control...

If we have established that this is a problem, which I think we have, and it clearly is, we can certainly also explore and discuss the ways in which we can protect, detox and decontaminate ourselves.
There are well developed threads already on Avalon which have been doing this.

We can build our immune systems, a process which has been explored on Dawn's thread at: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?43548-The-gut-of-most-disease...-NOT-what-you-think-
detoxify using info from this thread: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?71893-My-experience-of-taking-Hydrogen-Peroxide-35-food-grade-diluted-in-water
and this one (though it's new):
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?72634-Sprouting-for-health-and-detoxification
Quite a few Avalonians have found help with the bioresonance device described here:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?66165-MUST-SEE---Russia-s-Deta-Elis-Star-Trek-Medicine-Bioresonance
and so on...
Though these threads may not all be addressing the problem of nanoparticles directly, every little bit helps

I intend to get some of the homeopathic remedy Aurum Metallicum soon, and I expect it will help.
I have been finding homeopathic remedies to be very beneficial, though because they are subtle, many don't have the patience to stick with them.
The trick is finding the right one.

From what I see of the general population today people don’t need silver nano-particles and antennas and microwaves to influence them.

The majority are already controlled and manipulated very easily by big flat screen TV’s, computers (facebook, forums, porn), over processed food and other mindless entertainment.

you forget that microwaves are all around us, all the time. don't you think everybody is influenced 24/7 by these microwaves which create chaos in our body's energetic system?

everything radiates, a lot of it in the microwave spectrum, but the wavelength doesn't matter all that much. what matters are resonance and intensity. the majority of man-made things radiate in a manner that is degenerative to our health (physical, emotional, mental) because instead of order they create disorder. technical microwaves are a lot more harmful, however, because their energy is more intense.

bodies that continually accumulate metallic particles (not just silver, also aluminum, barium, etc.) which is completely unbiologic, will definitely be influenced more strongly than organisms without an excess of these particles, especially in the brains and nervous system.

our cells do regenerate but don't forget that these particles are in the environment all the time, getting more and more. it's not as if we were exposed once and then no more. the body can't get rid of them because these days accumulation usually happens faster than removal.

I think I've found a local source that may be able to provide aurum metallicum for me. I am very interested in trying it.

jerry

5th August 2014, 23:39

Now lets use our heads here, silver supplements are good because then tend to KILL the Living organisms that make us sick ,my question is what else they may kill? We've all heard how too much of anything is bad for you. Ive been looking to buy some of the silver biotics off ebay just in case. I've never used the stuff , but have been hearing lots of testimonials about how good it works. Now Im more confused than ever.

jerry

6th August 2014, 00:06

[QUOTE=blufire;848271]

Is there an increase in many diseases (diabetes, heart disease, alzheimer’s, cancer, infertility) Yes! But is this from a planned and implemented agenda???? NO! I do not believe this anymore.

QUOTE]you need to do a bit more research , 3k die from cancer a day alone in the good ole USA, read up on the Amish, how free they are from a lot of the ills that plague most , yes a lot is hype, but the old saying where theres smoke theres fire, and its burning millions of people a year. The EPA and the FDA are the ones who need to be held accountable, they pull swat team raids on mom and pop farmers, destroy small family businesses for raising feral pigs. The list is endless .The CEO of ever major food corporations at one time were lobbyists from Washington , and they use Washington as a revolving door . They Hide the major errors and shady dealings of all these big corps. The dumbing down is real and the early death rates are calculable with the science and research that's gone into these products. If you still don't think its a conspiracy fact, ask yourself why has Washington passed laws protecting Monsanto from any lawsuits that may arise form there products and GMOs they have developed. Why do they not serve any GMO containing products in their cafeteria, why do they hide and cover up any research found to be detrimental to their bottom line and will crush and destroy any who try to speak up with independent research. Is this just another rant? yes , because the more I know, the more I know I don't Know, and their not telling me.

Bob

6th August 2014, 00:13

I am going to jump in two feet here..

IMHO it's about education and the lack of it, and or mis-information or incomplete information or hearsay information, or wishful thinking or proved data.

Lot of generalizations.. Onawah started asking about excesses of silver nanoparticles contamination - there is data yes, such is present, what I found it comes in the form of silver iodide spraying, the actual real spraying that is used to make rain or snow "nucleation centers".. but that gets excess silver in the environment. At which point is there a danger situation?

First who is going to document it or show how to actually monitor toxic amounts - what constitutes toxic and to whom? Fish, humans, plants, frogs? Who sets the standard, and what standard, and the larger item, who is going to pay for the studies, the analysis and then publishing and obviously, the next step enforcement?

People freak when they hear "enforcement organization" (read more big brother, big pharma, big government..) so who will man/woman that organization, what will it do? What data will it use?

People could say I use Vitamin C all the time, someone may say I use vitamin C Chelated, or vitamin C with minerals plus herbs, plus ... or I use silver particles that I make myself or I buy this in the health food store, or I use silver and gold together (elektrum) --- but at what doses? Some may say it's not toxic (for them), but is it toxic for others? How can they make a broad statement something is not toxic for another? Well 1000 studies done double blind have proven this or that may be a start..

But there are organizations who say they have the monopoly on health, such as in the US the AMA, and FDA. USDA comes up in there as regulatory bodies too saying unless one is jumping thru the hoop one cannot legally play ball. SO out comes an underground undercurrent saying this and that works, and this is how you can make it yourself and folks get all excited that they can bypass establishment rules (and heal themselves for instance), but are they really knowing in all cases what all the variables are?

When folks were in the 20's drinking radium water in high quantities, they developed tissue damage. When folks got into the underground fad of xraying their feet with high dose x-rays to see how their feet fit in their shoes, eventually the tissue damage cause massive amputations. Sure it seemed exciting that something amazing could happen, of course it seemed "logical" having all those alpha and beta particles inside would be helpful - such was the logic back in the 20's - were there long term exposure studies no.. were there tests to see could some folks withstand more radium than others - again no.. When sufficient damage was happening the regulatory bodies appeared so as to STOP the situation -

Source (http://mentalfloss.com/article/12732/9-ways-people-used-radium-we-understood-risks)

Just to reiterate - with radium, sounded good, but..

http://www.mentalfloss.com/blogs/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/radium-chocolate.jpg

a little bit of the energy can be useful to kill weak cells. a LOT can damage all the organs.. what is the threshold??

And here it is in water..
http://www.mentalfloss.com/blogs/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/revigorator-radium-water-crock-e1349722097982.jpg

what do we know and don't know about NANO-particle sized silver.. Nano particle size is invisible to the naked eye, it is the size or smaller than VIRUSes.. We have threads on nanoparticle dangers.. Nanoparticles are just as dangerous as the radium excesses. There is a whole thread on that..

Silver colloidal makers are not nano-particle generators for the most part.

Silver NANO generation happens during atmospheric cloud treatment either from planes, or from ground sources, such as near ski areas where they may be using such to try to augment weather.. Or in China where they may be trying to seed clouds to cause rain to drop the atmospheric pollution levels, or in some clothes or plastics to create a bio-germicidal effect. HOW much is enough, and how much is too much, that is the question on this thread..

I had talked with one of the mods earlier last year, about setting up an actual educational section - but that potentially creates liability, alas, hearing the anecdotal reports is what we are left with, having to sort thru the myriads of datum, incoherently and trying to make sense out of it. The most dramatic appears to gather the most hits, or thanks, but statistically that really is no measure if the data is sufficiently accurate or not.

If one wants objectivity or hearsay, or ?

observer

24th August 2014, 14:13

In this video from Dr. Rima Laibow, just after the thirty minute mark, Dr. Rima speaks of two studies circulating the internet regarding the "dangers of nano-silver particles". She makes the assertion that in each of these two studies, the research was done with non-metallic forms of particles, i.e. ionic silver. She asserts that the non-metallic forms of silver used in the studies were "embedded" in the test samples. She also points out, these studies have no relevance to "ingested metallic forms of" nano-silver.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTKonH_HOTw
(Listen from the 30 minute mark, on)

I would not hesitate to speculate that Dr. Rima Laibow has more credentials than the members making comments in this thread to interpret the data from the studies in question....

*add*
I believe this link (http://sciencenordic.com/silver-nanoparticles-can-cause-cellular-changes)may be one of the studies Dr. Rima is referring to as "bogus research" (my interpretation), and sounds very much like what is being discussed in the OP.

onawah

24th August 2014, 15:55

Credentials, yes, but lots of people who are corporate shills have credentials.
She is also married to a man who was once a very high-ranking member of the military, and I don't think he's been thoroughly vetted yet by anyone in the alternative community to give him the kind of clearance that I and others on Avalon feel entirely comfortable with.
That was discussed on Avalon previously.
It looked to me like this couple might just be a clever way to get the fox into the henhouse, so to speak...

observer

24th August 2014, 17:39

Hi onawah,

Over the years, I have made many links to Dr. Rima Laibow here at Avalon. More than once, I have added some similar disclaimer as this:

Disclaimer:

It is no secret that Dr. Rema Laibow is associated with (Retired) General Albert "Bert" N. Stubblebine III [of "Staring At Goats" fame] in the Natural Solutions Foundation. Both Dr. Rema, and General Stubblebine have been working tirelessly and without reward in their attempt to expose the 'soft kill' agenda of the global elite.

The above quote is from a more resent link I've made to Dr. Rima's Health Freedom Network, or her Natural Solutions Foundation. I've been following their work since before I was a member, here at Avalon. That membership spans back to the Old Avalon Forum.

Some of Dr. Laibow's supporters are other individuals who are popular here on Avalon, such as Alex Jones, Jesse Ventura, David Icke to name a few.

I first became aware of Dr. Laibow with her diligent campaign against Codex Alimentarius. Given her long history of campaigning for freedom of choice in health reform, I highly doubt she is any sort of Troll.

My suspicions regarding disinformation trolls would include some of the commenters in this and other threads.

Please note: these suspicions do not include yourself, onawah. I simply believe you may be misinformed. This was the intent of my comment #65 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?72526-Dangers-of-silver-nanoparticles-in-food-and-air&p=868391&viewfull=1#post868391).

onawah

24th August 2014, 20:56

Well, I hope you are right, Observer.
I don't claim to know, but some of her detractors have seemed well informed to me.
I've been disillusioned before, so I've grown more cautious over time.

avid

24th August 2014, 21:31

For what it's worth - there is a marketing war afoot between Ms Laibow and Steve Barwick (http://server.publishers-mgmt.com/semk/secm/2014/08/csu/555/more/) of Colloidal Silver....

Dr Rima's Ebola/Nanosilver Nonsense (Opinion)

The Ebola scare continues, and now nanosilver is being touted by Dr. Rima Laibow as the one and only "cure" for the dread virus.

But as I pointed out in my previous two articles on this subject, there's no clinical proof nanosilver "cures" Ebola. In other words, in lab studies, there's never been a single human being cured of Ebola by nanosilver.

What does exist is a published presentation from a division of the Department of Defense demonstrating that in a test tube cell culture study, hemorrhagic fever viruses like the Ebola virus couldn't replicate inside those cells when they were pre-inoculated with nanosilver.

In my previous two articles, I explained in detail why this means it can only be extrapolated that colloidal silver *might* be helpful against Ebola, but it could not be surmised by any stretch of the imagination that colloidal silver is a "cure" for Ebola.

Now, Dr. Rima, of the Natural Solutions Foundation, has issued a video proclamation claiming that Americans are "only a plane flight away from a cataclysm," but that her particular brand of nanosilver is the sure-fire "cure" for Ebola.

Since readers have asked for my take on the situation, here it is…

Hi, Steve Barwick here, for The Silver Edge…

I really used to like Dr. Rima. But honestly, since the so-called "Ebola crisis" has taken place, and she issued her video proclamation claiming nanosilver is the sure-fire "cure" for Ebola, I've lost a lot of respect for her.

She begins her sensationalistic video, titled "Urgent Message to Ebola-Stricken Nations' Heads of State," with the statement that "Ebola is surging across West Africa."

That's ridiculous, of course.

As I pointed out in my article "Ebola Mania: Round II", the population of West Africa is 250 million people. In this most recent outbreak, they've had something like 1700 cases of Ebola over the course of five or six months. And about 900 deaths.

While that's certainly tragic, it can hardly be characterized as a disease that's "surging across West Africa." So you have to be careful about getting mesmerized by people's sensationalistic verbiage.

Only 57 Deaths a Year, On Average

As I've pointed out previously, if you take all of the Ebola deaths since the very first Ebola outbreak in 1976, there have only been an average of 57 deaths a year.

Again, that's out of a population of 250 million people.

Consider that in comparison to the fact that here in the U.S. somewhere between 3,000 and 40,000 people per year die of the flu.

Now that's a tragedy.

But we don't hear anybody's knees knocking together in abject fear over it. We don't hear anyone saying the flu is "surging across America" and threatening the world.

Indeed, while the official CDC numbers demonstrate that a minimum of 114,000 Americans have died of the flu over the past 38 years, only 2,166 people have died of Ebola in the entire world, in that same time-span.

So I urge readers to please keep things in proper perspective, and don't let people like Dr. Rima scare the living bejabbers out of you.

Scary Nonsense v/s the Truth

Dr. Rima then goes on to say "The fact is, we are all one plane ride away from a cataclysm."

Really? Again, it's just a bunch of sensationalistic nonsense.

As I pointed out in my article "Ebola Mania: Round II," even if Ebola were to come to this country, there would still be more flu deaths each year than Ebola deaths.

It's important to understand that in West Africa, where this Ebola virus is said to be "raging," large swathes of the population have been absolutely devastated for decades by grinding poverty, chronic sickness, chronic ongoing warfare, famine, drought, contaminated drinking water, chemical contamination and more.

You know this is true. You've seen the pictures of the famine-stricken West Africans on TV, with the outline of their rib cages protruding from their skin.

So the problem isn't Ebola. Instead, it's the horrific living conditions the people have been enduring for years on end – conditions that make it easier for such a rare virus to infect people.

Unlike West Africa, the U.S. does not have large parts of its population decimated by constant local warfare, grinding poverty, ongoing famine and drought, contaminated drinking water etc.

We don't drink our water out of a stream running by our village where everybody also pees or defecates into the same water each day.

Indeed, in contrast, we have modern, indoor plumbing, plenty of fresh, pure water, a phenomenal food supply, amazing health care facilities, no warfare, famine, starvation, drought, etc.

In other words, it's the completely opposite situation here in the U.S., compared to the areas of West Africa where Ebola is said to be "raging."

So the notion that Ebola is going to come here on a plane, start spreading through the population of the United States and wreak deadly unstoppable havoc on this country, killing every one of us unless we have nanosilver, is just plain ludicrous.

Pimping a Product

In her video, Dr. Rima goes on to say that nanosilver "Does kill every pathogen against which it has been tested, world-wide, without exception."

Wow. "Without exception."

Then she states that nanosilver is "unlimited in its effectiveness."

Both statements, of course, are utter nonsense. After all, while colloidal silver has been demonstrated in numerous clinical studies to be wonderfully effective against numerous infectious microorganisms, anyone who's used it for any significant amount of time – in any form, including nanosilver – knows that there are times it just doesn't work.

Indeed, clinical studies going back 60 or 80 years, and all of the way forward to today, demonstrate there are a number of pathogens that are silver-resistant.

So silver is amazingly effective against many kinds of infections. But it's not "God." It can't stop every infection on the face of the earth.

So why not just tell the truth? Why make such broad, sensationalistic claims that simply can't be backed up with facts?

I'll tell you why: Because Dr. Rima is selling. She's not educating. She's not informing. She's pimping a product.

Now everybody reading this article knows my company, The Silver Edge, sells the Micro-Particle Colloidal Silver Generator, which allows you to make your own high-quality colloidal silver for about one cent per ounce, instead of paying exorbitant health food store prices of $7 to $8 an ounce.

So you can easily say, "Well, Steve, you're pimping a product too."

And that's true, except for one thing…unlike Dr. Rima, I'm NOT claiming colloidal silver to be the "cure" for Ebola in order to sell my product.

And I'm not making broad, sweeping claims that colloidal silver kills "every pathogen against which it's been tested, without exception."

And finally, I'm not claiming that an Ebola apocalypse is "just one plane ride away" from taking place in this country.

Indeed, rather than trying to scare the jeepers creepers out of everybody in order to sell my company's product, I candidly set forth the facts in my original article, "Colloidal Silver and the Ebola Hysteria."

And I candidly set forth the facts again, in my follow-up article "Ebola Mania: Round II".

In those two articles, I carefully explained that the Ebola hysteria was nothing more than pure, manufactured hype designed to frighten the population of the western world into demanding a government solution to threat that, to date, is non-existent here.

And I explained that the end – should we fall for the hysteria – would be further loss of our Constitutional rights and liberties, as the federal government implements more and more new regulations to control their populations under the guise of fighting a supposed "medical emergency."

I demonstrated through official Centers for Disease Control numbers that the Ebola "crisis" was being vastly overblown, with an average of only 57 people per year dying over a period of 38 years since Ebola was first discovered, in a population of some 250 million people in West Africa.

And I showed, by comparison, that the flu kills far more people every single year, than Ebola, and that MRSA and other antibioitic-resistant "superbug" infections kill far more people every single year than Ebola ever has in its entire history.

The DOD Nanosilver Study

And at the ends of both of those articles, I revealed the results of a clinical study conducted by researchers at a branch of the U.S. Department of Defense (DOD) on using nanosilver against hemorrhagic fever viruses like Ebola.

In fact, I posted a link to the original DOD presentation about the study (which you can see, here) – a presentation I've had posted to my website for several years.

And most importantly, I pointed out that this was a laboratory study on cell cultures (i.e., a test tube study) and NOT a human study.

I further explained that you can't take this laboratory study and leap to the conclusion that colloidal silver is the "cure" for Ebola.

At most, all you can do is extrapolate from the study that since nanosilver stopped the Ebola virus (and several other hemorrhagic fever viruses) from replicating in cell cultures under laboratory conditions, it just *might* work, too, under real-life conditions, but that this remains to be proven.

I also pointed out that the study demonstrated several important things that have to be taken into account:

For example, the nanosilver did not work well in already-infected cells.

That's right. The cells had to be pre-treated with nanosilver, and afterwards, when the cells were infected with the Ebola virus, the silver indeed appeared to inhibit the virus from replicating, according to the DOD presentation.

I further pointed out that, extrapolating from this test tube lab study, should Ebola actually ever come to this country and present a threat it would appear your chances against infection would be better if you were already using silver than if you started using it after coming into contact with an infected individual.

But again, that's just speculation. There's not yet proof that colloidal silver would work against Ebola in the human body.

Do you see the difference?

Lost Respect

In my opinion, Dr. Rima is blowing the DOD study out of all proportion, making blanket statements for silver's effectiveness against Ebola that just can't be backed up with the facts.

She apparently also took a copy of the DOD presentation on nanosilver, and photoshopped her contact information into it, which has led many people to believe her Natural Solutions Foundation had something to do with the DOD-sponsored study.

But again, on my website you can view the full, original copy of the DOD presentation on nanosilver and hemorrhagic fever viruses, and you'll see that Dr. Rima's contact info does not appear anywhere on it.

So at this point I've lost a lot of respect for Dr. Rima.

As a businessman I have nothing against a person selling their product. If you've got something good, then sell the heck out of it, and be proud of it.

But when the sales pitch becomes so ostentatious and sensationalistic that the claims begin to border on fantasy (in my opinion), it should probably be ignored.

Now what about my company's product? Shouldn't I be doing the same thing Dr. Rima is doing, and jump on the Ebola hysteria bandwagon?

No. First and foremost I'm a journalist. I've been a journalist long before I ever became a businessman. And I'm trying to set forth the facts, journalistically, as best I see them.

And the facts at this point, in my opinion, do not warrant anybody going out of their mind with fear over Ebola. And they don't warrant everyone stocking up on nanosilver, or any other form of colloidal silver, out of fear of Ebola.

There are plenty of good reasons to use colloidal silver as a nutritional supplement. And if you like to use colloidal silver, that's great. So do I. And if you like to learn more about colloidal silver's effectiveness against pathogens, that's great too. So do I.

Indeed, for over 20 years now I've spent an inordinate amount of time doing just that, resulting in the publication of my 547-page book on colloidal silver, The Ultimate Colloidal Silver Manual.

But let's do our best to keep the facts straight and not end up floating in the clouds with no factual foundation under our feet. Because the crash could be horrendous if we don't.

When we cross the line from stating the facts to claiming cures that have never been proven for something like Ebola, we invite the medical bureaucrats in. And that's when the "wrath of Khan" begins, if you get my meaning.

New York Times Takes on Dr. Rima

The New York Times has now warned that "Panic over Ebola has the makers of dietary supplements aggressively targeting Africans, claiming to have a cure for the lethal virus."

What's more, according to the Times:

"…both the World Health Organization and the United States Food and Drug Administration issued strong warnings about false Ebola cures.

The latter threatened American companies with penalties if they continue making such claims."

The Times goes on to point out that:

"…an unidentified Nigerian scientist living overseas had arranged for Nigeria to get a different experimental medicine, according to Nigerian news outlets.

…They identified it as NanoSilver, a supplement offered by the Natural Solutions Foundation, which said that it contains microscopic silver particles, although, as a food supplement, it is not tested by regulatory agencies…

…NanoSilver is for sale on the foundation's website alongside hemp oil, ear candles, chocolate and 'mental clarity packs.'"

The Times article concludes:

"Recently, the foundation's medical director, Dr. Rima E. Laibow, posted an 'open letter to heads of Ebola-impacted states,' dated July 29, claiming that NanoSilver cured Ebola.

She also claimed to have addressed 47 African health ministers at a 2007 conference and to be in touch with 'West African governments and their advisers.'

Dr. Laibow could not be reached for comment.

On Friday afternoon, after The New York Times emailed her a series of questions, two of her websites briefly became unavailable, then reappeared with headlines saying they were 'under attack' and directing readers to other sites selling a different product, Silver Solution."

A WHO spokesman went on to say that nanosilver was "an example of the type of product" being referred to by WHO assistant director general Dr. Marie-Paule Kieny, when she warned against bringing "any crazy idea that people have" over to Africa to test on Ebola victims.

My comments:

While I strongly disagree with the contention that testing nanosilver is a "crazy idea" (for I believe the DOD study on nanosilver and hemorrhagic fever viruses makes it a legitimate idea for further clinical testing), I hope you can see how Dr. Rima's exaggerated claims in her over-sensationalistic video have now placed silver in the gun sights of the medical bureaucrats, potentially destroying any chance of it ever being further tested against this dread disease.

When we start making wild, broad-based claims that simply can't be substantiated, it's going to bring the medical bureaucrats into the fray, whose sole job is to protect the interests of the medical monopoly.

Now please don't misconstrue my words. I'm most definitely not against the idea of using nanosilver, or ionic silver, or any other form of colloidal silver, to help stop Ebola.

I think that idea should be looked at carefully, and tried under clinical conditions.

I also believe any Ebola victim should be able to use colloidal silver on their own accord, if they want to. I know I would were I to ever end up with an Ebola infection.

But what I am against is using rank sensationalism to manipulate people through fear.

In this age of strange diseases in which we now live, there are certainly times to be afraid. But there are also times to see through the fear being promulgated by people for nefarious purposes.

I still believe the so-called "Ebola crisis" is being promulgated by the government/news media axis for the sole purpose of getting new regulations on the books that will rob us of what few Constitutional rights we have left, under the guise of a "medical crisis."

And because of that, I, for one, simply won't participate in all of the fear-mongering.

I'll add that I do agree with Mike Adams, from NaturalNews.com, who in a recent article discussing the nanosilver/FDA/Ebola/Dr. Laibow debacle has demanded "freedom of choice for Ebola victims who want to try experimental medicines from all realms" – meaning not just the pharmaceutical medications but natural substances such as nanosilver and others that might work as well.

Adams points out that while the medical bureaucrats are essentially declaring war on nanosilver by denouncing it as a "bogus cure," they are readying their own unproven, toxic vaccines and drugs to experiment on Ebola victims.

He is correct, of course. As I stated above, the job of the medical bureaucrats is, above all other things, to protect the medical monopoly.

Sticking to the Facts

Okay, folks…you asked for it, and now you have it. That's my opinion, based on the available science. And I'm sticking to it until bona-fide, independent clinical researchers with no axe to grind prove differently.

And I pray this indeed actually happens at some point; no one would be more happy than me to see silver be clinically proven to work against Ebola in humans.

Meanwhile, I'm sure I'll have to take some flack over this, for not falling in line with the current Ebola hysteria and for not joining in with the "nanosilver cures Ebola" crowd.

Oh dear - another quirky situation! Make of it what you will, but I still trust colloidal silver, make it, and rely on it to stop nasties. It has not let us down for years. If I'd known I could have cured my cat with it, he may still be here today (God bless and goodbye dearest Bertie, went so quickly with liver cancer and kidney failure). Am now giving wee Atom (my olde cat) a smidgeon of CS daily now to keep him better, even though I realise he also is failing. I blame heavy metals in the atmosphere, they lick their fur after being subjected to toxic atmospheres..... but that's another discussion! I'm interested if the vets can corroborate this evidence in pet fatalities, which are becoming so common now in livestock, unnecessary deaths.

observer

24th August 2014, 23:32

Thanks for that input, Avid.

So, we are still embroiled in the semantics of nano-silver v. colloidal silver v. monatomic silver v. any other name one may choose to apply to this product.

What appears clear to me is the fact that Dr. Rima refers to ionic silver as non-metallic and the other nomenclatures for silver products as metallic.

It is apparently the non-metallic verities of silver products that might be considered harmful. Perhaps these non-metallic verities are what the OP is referring to.

I'm with you avid, I will continue to use my trusted colloidal silver product.

heyokah

25th August 2014, 14:50

Anyway, I'll take Centrum Silver to feel young again :p

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9f22dLR7g7I

onawah

27th December 2014, 22:30

So I've been taking Aurum Metallicum for about 2 months and I definitely thinks it helps with my sensitivity to EMFs, microwaves, scalar waves, etc. .
(It wasn't looking like I was going to be able to buy the $300 device that a friend had recommended any time soon, so I was looking for less expensive alternatives.)
And I just got more confirmation that A.M. is working for others too, in the last part of this video:
kKQ-tOG5j9o
which Bob posted here:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?78414-About-scalar-waves-and-mindcontrol-Henning-Witte&p=916640&viewfull=1#post916640
The lecturer talks about methods tested on sensitives starting at about 54 minutes in.)
He recommends using 3 different frequencies of the homeopathic remedy, the 12c, 30c and 200ck, which interestingly, is what I decided to do when I first tried it, so I think I will continue to do that, though I seem to have felt the most relief with the 200ck, so I may use more of that one.
I've been buying it here: https://www.pureformulas.com/search?Ntt=Aurum+Metallicum&CAPCID=37565578856&cadevice=c&gclid=CIilh5qe58ICFeURMwodPB0A_w&CA_6C15C=530005240000787616

[QUOTE=onawah;861621]I just found some more info about the homeopathic remedy aurum metallicum here:
http://eucach.wordpress.com/2014/01/30/gold-against-mind-control/
From a group called "European Coalition Against Covert Harassment
They have a Facebook page too: https://www.facebook.com/eucach
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[QUOTE]Gold against Mind Control
Millions of healthy and normal people all over the world complain about hearing foreign voices in their skull (v2k), about being targeted by unknown radiation; about being tormented and raped by this radiation, about that someone is able to read their thoughts (synthetic telepathy) and making comments on them, about getting their memories hacked, about somebody seeing with their eyes/hearing with their ears and commenting those signals.

Those people are called targeted individuals (ti). Their number is constantly growing.

Every day since I started recording live interviews with ti’sabout 3 years ago, I receive at least one e-mail, one phone call or one letter from a desperate ti from all corners in the world. They contact me because I take them serious and listen to them. I do not go into the evil and carefully designedtrap that claims, they are mentally ill. I studied the research from David Icke, Cathy O’Brien, Helmut Lammer och Heiner Gehring that opened my eyes for this covert technology, which targets people since more than 60 years.

The majority of the ti’s are not aware that they are targeted. Otherwise the mental enslavement would not work. But a growing minority is aware of the technology and complain. Thanks to the Internet they can learn about other ti’s and realize that they are not crazy or alone.

BRAIN IMPLANT

We found out that the secret services of Russia, USA, Israel and Sweden developed the mind control technology using a secret physics: scalar waves. Since the death of James Clerk Maxwell 1879 physicists forged intentionally the Maxwell field equations and put the part describing the scalar waves wrongly to zero, so that today only the electromagnetic wave is explained by the Maxwell equation torso. Thanks to physics professor Konstantin Meyl do we now know a lot about scalar waves. Those being relevant for our body are the magnetic scalar waves. They transport neutrinos quicker than light and penetrate everything, even the whole earth. They transport both, energy and information, enabling them to transfer holographic 3d coloured pictures and thoughts, not build up by pixels.

After long research and waiting I got a hint in Germany about a year ago, that gold protects against mind control. Gold emits destructive interference against scalar waves disturbing the resonance between the chip/DNA in a ti and the beamer in the hands of a criminal secret agent or doctor.

Real ti’s don’t have money, so they can’t afford gold. That’s why we found out that homeopathic gold (aurum metallicum) helps. It is very cheap and available in most countries. Homeopathy does not help with chemical instruments but with physical, simply by waves, constructive and destructive interference. The potencies D12, D30 and C100 gave best results with a lot of ti’s that tested it. Side effects are not known.

[QUOTE=onawah;849126]If we have established that this is a problem, which I think we have, and it clearly is, we can certainly also explore and discuss the ways in which we can protect, detox and decontaminate ourselves.
There are well developed threads already on Avalon which have been doing this.

We can build our immune systems, a process which has been explored on Dawn's thread at: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?43548-The-gut-of-most-disease...-NOT-what-you-think-
detoxify using info from this thread: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?71893-My-experience-of-taking-Hydrogen-Peroxide-35-food-grade-diluted-in-water
and this one (though it's new):
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?72634-Sprouting-for-health-and-detoxification
Quite a few Avalonians have found help with the bioresonance device described here:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?66165-MUST-SEE---Russia-s-Deta-Elis-Star-Trek-Medicine-Bioresonance
and so on...
Though these threads may not all be addressing the problem of nanoparticles directly, every little bit helps

I have been finding homeopathic remedies to be very beneficial, though because they are subtle, many don't have the patience to stick with them.
The trick is finding the right one.