New post from Karen Bishop

[Sabrina]

http://www.gamabooks.com/6.23.2014.html




23 June

[karelia]

Wow. Clicking the Thank You button isn't enough. THANK YOU for posting this! Some profound truths in there.


We must remember that there is really no darkness or right or wrong or good or bad, but simply energies that vibrate at differing levels. And all really and simply, just is. We are reaching new levels now, and in these levels we are no longer "clearing," releasing, and attempting to address personal issues. In these new energies, we acknowldge, accept, revere, and deeply love. It is love that accomplishes the healing. We need only shine the light and offer the love, or if we are much too weary and depleted, we need simply "be" and trust and accept and let go.

[Robin]

Wow. Clicking the Thank You button isn't enough. THANK YOU for posting this! Some profound truths in there.


We must remember that there is really no darkness or right or wrong or good or bad, but simply energies that vibrate at differing levels. And all really and simply,

Karelia...it really disappoints me to see this.

This is the exact mentality that Satanists believe in and practice. It is called Moral Relativism, which means that everything is simply a matter of perspective. It means that there is no such thing as right or wrong, and that one should behave in ways that is conducive for their own benefit, irregardless of how it affects others.

This mentality is often based in Solipsism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solipsism), which means that one's own mind is all that exists, and everything else and everybody else is based on our own perceptions. Spreading Solipsism is one of the key agendas of the Satanist Powers that Be. If they get people to have this mindset, then they will have humanity in the palm of their hands.

If everything is just perception...then anybody can do whatever they want, as long it benefits them.

There IS such thing as RIGHT and WRONG. If you do not know what a wrong is, then you are doing a disservice to humanity and are a walking hazard, and most notably, are a Satanist without even knowing it. You are supporting the PTB and their agendas without even knowing it.

A WRONG is when a sentient being knowingly does harm to another sentient being. This can be any form of THEFT, such as rape, burglary, murder, etc. When you STEAL something from another, you are doing a WRONG. It is as simple as that.

If you subscribe to the dangerous and ignorant belief that there is no such thing as right and wrong and good and evil, then you are a Satanist in every sense of the word.

You are supporting the notion that the millions of children who are being raped and tortured by these people is OK, because there is no such thing as right and wrong. You might buy into the belief that these innocent children are working off Karma debt and have what's coming to them. You may also buy into the belief that these Satanists are Karmic helpers and are doing good for humanity. It's just a matter of perspective, right?

This is VERY dangerous thinking, and the longer you stay in this mentality, then the more harm you are doing on the collective spiritual growth of humanity. You are supporting the notion that slavery is OK, because there is no such thing as right and wrong. Humanity will NEVER get out of this condition if this mentality still persists.

This comment does come across terse, but I do not apologize. It is critically important that everybody understands that there is such a thing as a right and wrong, and that these Satanists have NO right to keep humanity in shackles.

I'm not saying everything the writer says in this article is wrong, but there are some profound UNTRUTHS in it, which makes it misinformation that is both misleading and dangerous.

evil: profoundly immoral and malevolent.

profound immorality, wickedness, and depravity, especially when regarded as a supernatural force.

Because doing a WRONG to another sentient being knowingly is IMMORAL, evil does exist! And it persists if people subscribe to such deluded beliefs as the notion that there is no right and wrong.

[karelia]

Dear Samwise,

First of all, I'm very sorry to be the cause of disappointment for you.

Did you read her entire blog entry? Your post made me realise that I perhaps – unintentionally – copied a paragraph entirely out of context. If you haven't read it, please do for the benefit of grasping said context.

In our reality, or rather, illusion, there is right and wrong; you're absolutely right. That said, from a different perspective, it does all come down to the level of consciousness we have reached. Someone of a lower consciousness will not see what is right or what is wrong in what I view as Natural Law. The higher someone climbs in consciousness, the more aware one becomes of morals, ethics, integrity and lives according to that knowledge.

What Karen is saying here I agree wholeheartedly with insofar as once you've passed the stage of being capable of defining right and wrong on the ladder of evolution, you begin to realise that it is merely a stage in the evolutionary process. One that is a firm part of any universe where duality rules, but nevertheless only a stage.

I am very familiar with satanism, having been at the receiving end of ritual abuse from early childhood, and will recognise it from miles away. Karen Bishop most certainly does not embrace such.

I support none of the notions you accuse me of. Absolutely none.

I'll leave it at that.

[Chester]

When you STEAL something from another, you are doing a WRONG.

Funny to read this when every single thing you said in this post happens to be "borrowed" (or could I say stolen?) from Mark Passio.

[ulli]

It all depends what level one is speaking from. Context is everything, and also knowing the consequences of an action, or inaction.
Evil is ignorance and therefore it is knowledge in potential form.
Since it is transformed by knowledge, the way a dark room is transformed when the light is turned on,
it is not an absolute condition.
Somehow I agree I with both of you...how is such a thing possible?
My guess is by having the above dialogue with myself for many many years, contemplating these things.
A lifetime of integrating opposites, that's how.

[Julian]

Hi Samwise,

As someone who loves both the Lord of the Rings and the specific character of Samwise Gamgee I appreciate your choice of names.

Although you may have already done so I'm moved to ask whether you have read the entire blog entry from which the selection was drawn? In that piece, which is linked by Sabrina above, the author articulates her position in a broader context. There is no question she acknowledges a difference between light (higher vibratory energies) and darkness which she associates with evil and "all hell breaking loose". There really is no confusion on this point.

The thrust of Karen's blog appears to be both a narrative on recent events and reflection on how we can open to receive the upward movement into a higher vibratory grid reality. Perhaps a different way of expressing the same thought would be to say she is encouraging us to drop away the busy "thinking" of our conceptual mind to experience a more powerful direct "knowing" that is available on that higher energetic grid. Her emphasis on reverence and moving outside the framework of ego underscores she is not talking about moral relativism.

From Karen's framework one might say that evil is in it's own panicked "end game". Her position seems to be that we need not oppose it by force but the reality behind these lower vibrational states is itself teetering on the edge of collapse. In a curious way Karen's position reflects other contemporary political commentators like James Corbett whose brilliant analysis has brought him to the position that the real revolution comes from building our own systems and detaching ourselves from the control grid in affirmative ways. You can critique her (or James Corbett's) position as naive or wishful thinking but it certainly isn't moral relativism.

You know the thing about "right action" is that it arises from the heart as opposed to a fixed attachment on a conscious level. May I quote a passage from Tolkien about your name sake?

"Now!" said Sam. "As last I can deal with you!" He leaped forward with drawn blade ready for battle. But Gollum did not spring. He fell flat upon the ground and whimpered"

...

Sam's hand wavered. his mind was hot with wrath and the memory of evil. It would be just to slay this treacherous, murderous creature, just and many times deserved: and also it seemed the only safe thing to do. But deep in his heart there was something that restrained him: he could not strike this thing lying in the dust, forlorn, ruinous, utterly wretched. He himself, had borne the Ring, and now dimly he guessed the agony of Gollum's shriveled mind and body, enslaved to that Ring, unable to find peace or relief ever in life again."

Of course you know the ending. Gollum can't help himself, ambushed Frodo and through his inability to separate from the lower vibrational grip the Ring has over him, he becomes the vital instrument of Evil's destruction. Without him, as Frodo later observes, the quest would have failed.

Substitute Gollum for the cabal and you have a sense of the paradigm I think Karen and others are gesturing towards. Think about how each of us has experienced (if only briefly) the lure of that Ring of power and a deeper definition of wisdom and compassion arises. The evil is floundering, wants to suck us in, yet in the end is it's own undoing.

So it's not moral relativism and certainly not an endorsement of satanic ritual abuse. Rather it is an invitation to drop away the underpinnings of lower vibratory states that bind us to that ring of power and domination. Once we release that attachment Karen suggests our eyes will open in a new way. She suggests we'll experience and even "become" within our own consciousness, the basis for a new intrinsically ethical and loving framework of physical (presumably 4D) reality.

That would be nice, wouldn't it?

with appreciative literary regards,

Julian

[Shezbeth]

Begging your pardon Samwise, but there are some perceivable flaws in your presentation. FWIW, I haven't yet read the article in question.

Moral relativism does not mean 'Anything Goes', that's just how it is often interpreted and used to justify behavior that is predatory; I say that with a degree of credibility because I am a moral relativist. Just because I don't perceive any particular right or wrong doesn't mean that I am want/willing to engage in otherwise predatory behavior; something doesn't have to be 'against the rules' or 'outside acceptable boundaries' in order for me to not do it. To a moral relativist there is no objective right and wrong, but there are subjective choices that one will and will not make.

Moral relativism does not originate with Satanism (nor is exclusive to it) any more than monotheism originated with and is exclusive to Christianity. Moreover, your perception that it is contributing to the degradation of an awakening and developing society is dangerously short-sighted. I don't contest that among Satanists and moral relativists there are those who are contributing as you say, I would advise not attempting to tar all moral relativists with the same brush.

For me in particular, there is no 'right' or 'wrong'; instead there is 'what I will do, and what I will not do', as well as 'what I will tolerate and what I will not tolerate'. Again it is not a matter of objective standards, it is about subjective choice.

Judge not, lest ye be judged (or whatever the exact phrase is).

[RunningDeer]

Wow. Clicking the Thank You button isn't enough. THANK YOU for posting this! Some profound truths in there.


We must remember that there is really no darkness or right or wrong or good or bad, but simply energies that vibrate at differing levels. And all really and simply,

Karelia...it really disappoints me to see this.

This is the exact mentality that Satanists believe in and practice. It is called Moral Relativism, which means that everything is simply a matter of perspective. It means that there is no such thing as right or wrong, and that one should behave in ways that is conducive for their own benefit, irregardless of how it affects others.

Karelia…it really disappoints me to see this.
Wow flash back! It reminds me of that old fashioned guilt and expectation psychology. I’m sure that’s not what you intended. You're simply expressing your feelings. I take full responsibility for grabbing into the ethers on those worn-out collective unconscious control tapes.

Any way… here’s my thoughts on this topic that’s designed to go round and round and round, where your energetic resources are sucked dry, all for a one more free ride.


http://avalonlibrary.net/paula/Recovered/catch_gold_ring_zps0ba3a38e.JPG

To the best of my ability, I no longer expend resources into system that steals and thrives due to it’s lack of light.

Movement and intensity of flow between the greater perspective and the 3D experience is like the slow dance of in breath and out breath of Tai Chi. Even though I see from the larger perspective, my heart weeps for the tortured. At times, it’s what moves me in the here and now.

The best I can contribute is to continue in discovery. Be a part of that which fosters change/direction. One tool is the knowledge that perceptions and beliefs create where I spend time and expend energy. Therefore, it’s important to be vigilant of the mind dialogue.

RunningDeer <3

UPDATE: Full disclosure, (after re-reading this) I may have dropped in a tiny bit of guilt. :becky:

[Robin]

When you STEAL something from another, you are doing a WRONG.

Funny to read this when every single thing you said in this post happens to be "borrowed" (or could I say stolen?) from Mark Passio.

It is true and I'm glad that you picked up on this. Information should be freely shared to all people, and Mark Passio makes it very clear that all of his material is free and everyone is welcome to use his material. But the thing about it is that his material is not unique, but it is rather fundamental truths inherent in all sentient beings. I personally think that his way of explaining certain issues is extremely well-though-out and articulate...so I resonate with his presentation method.

Nobody can steal Truth, by the way. I can mimic the way the Truth is presented...but it can never be stolen. It is just there.

[Robin]

Excellent points all around!

I'm glad that I was mistaken in how I read Karelia's intentions with her post. I did skim the article before I posted, but I just finished reading it fully. I do not argue with the way she is expressing her views on hope and humanity...I just see all too often people take on the mentality that the world is nothing more than perspective.

Julian, thanks for the Lord of the Rings passage! Tolkien did an excellent job of fitting pity and choice in the unfolding of corrupt regimes.

Shezbeth, you also bring up some good points. The only thing that I would add is that there needs to be a boundary. If everybody has the mentality that there are some things that they do and some that they do not do, then that still leaves us with people who harm others. Some people in this world who have good intentions think that it is OK to harm others for their own benefit, such as allowing our politicians to declare war on a country that has not done any provoking, but the declaration of war is merited under the banner of spreading Democracy.

Also, Karelia, I'm not disappointed in you. I was only disappointed in your choice to support that one quote.

[3(C)+me]

I have read Karen's post for some time, and read some of her books because they speak to me. I have it very curious the various reactions to her remarks. I think it is important to remember that this a planet of duality, right and wrong, black and white. She is NOT SAYING THAT IT'S OK TO ENAGAGE IN THIS OR THAT BEHAVIOR. She is saying that this illusion that is set up this way so we can play in duality and make choices and see what the consequences are. You steal while there will be consequences and then the person can choose to change or not, their choice. It think it is a bit is naïve to think that it's only ok to be right and moral and not be bad. The dark has to be experienced and guess what the creater created both sides of the coin. He wants to see what you do with your choices. That is the game here.

[Mark]

A lot of people are very happy to see Karen posting. As I'm sure you know, she repeatedly states that she is done, but it seems Creation is not done with us and so she steps back up to the plate time and time again to assist those in need of her words and perspective. When hope is even too much to wish for, all that is left is presence. Being. This is indeed the state beyond desire, where all things probable reside. Whatever the future holds for us all, these successive waves of rising and holding, of emotional turmoil and exhilaration, will continue to typify our passage up the spiral, to whatever unforeseeable and unimaginable continuation awaits us all.

[Wind]

I think that never before I have read any of her messages, but just a couple of days ago I was guided to that that message and it truly touched me because that is exactly how I have been feeling as of late. Sometimes it is interesting to see how others truly can express the feelings you have been feeling via their own words. Personally speaking this Mercury Retrograde has been quite hard on me and it is interesting to see how astrological aligments relate to all of this. "The darkest hour is just before the dawn."


We are rapidly approaching massive deterioration of the old, and this is how it was intended. The deterioration will arrive diguised as darkness, but it is really the light serving as a catalyst for change.

As there is really no darkness, it will be the light in diguise as darkness that will nudge and spur us on to create something new, to create a strong desire for light (pulling us in that much needed direction which the new reality is all about), and encourage us to get off of the old reality of the grid of electronics, look up and around us, and begin the creation of the new in a physical reality.

At the same time, we are so much closer now than ever before to a reality with light at its core, that the simple event of any so called darkness being exposed to our more ever present light, will bring it out in the open very quickly, and this process then, of deterioration and then restructuring will move along quite quickly.

[Sabrina]

Wow wonderful debate and sharing fellow Avalonians:)... Thank you. As with everything, if it resonates energetically with you take it, and if it doesn't and doesn't feel good, don't. Think we can all 'feel' the truth that speaks to us - and what doesn't - more immediately nowadays. Had a few surprise moments on this myself lately.