American troops should get out of Australia

[Tesseract]

Successive governments in Canberra have cooperated with the US to increase the american military presence in Australia. This is not about protecting Australia or the US mainland, it is about American imperialism and Western domination of the East. This arrangement further draws Australia into this disgusting power play, and more deeply entwines Australia into the morally wretched US military machine.

So, I was wondering if anyone, especially our Australian members, had any ideas on how to drive the US military out. There are a few micro groups out there, that don't unfortunately seem to have achieved much - but bless them for trying. What would work? Any creative ideas? How much money would it take?

[wnlight]

Well, I do not like the reference to "American military swine", but I agree that the USA military should pull out of Australia. And while they are at it, they should also immediately pull the military out of Germany, Italy, UK, Spain, Turkey, Belgium, Portugal, Greece, Netherlands, Honduras, Canada, Kuwait, Bahrain, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, UAE, Egypt, South Africa, Japan, South Korea, Diego Garcia, Thailand, and Singapore.

Then we could complete the withdrawal from Afghanistan. Cuba is a touchy one. Did I leave out any country?

[cursichella1]

Successive governments in Canberra have cooperated with the US to increase the american military presence in Australia. This is not about protecting Australia or the US mainland, it is about American imperialism and Western domination of the East. This arrangement further draws Australia into this disgusting power play, and more deeply entwines Australia into the morally wretched US military machine.

So, I was wondering if anyone, especially our Australian members, had any ideas on how to drive the American military swine out. There are a few micro groups out there, that don't unfortunately seem to have achieved much - but bless them for trying. What would work? Any creative ideas? How much money would it take?

A referendum? Money for a major, blanketing ad campaign using a "patriotic" angle, something along the lines of "taking our Country back" (kind of how our Govt rallied Americans to support the "War On Terror" by labeling non-supporters as unpatriotic); volunteers getting signatures...labeling Govt reps as unpatriotic (traitors!) if they speak against it...exposing any corruption...enlist Australian celebrities to support the cause... (This is me being politically correct. My politically incorrect idea happens to be illegal, so best left unsaid...)

[andrewgreen]

Enough people need to care about it for it to happen. The whole of Asia is becoming increasingly militarised. Japan is changing its policies to combat China, while the Philippines and Vietnam are also buying military hardware. I hope its not the next theater of war after the middle east which currently looks like the plan.

[Chucky]

Successive governments in Canberra have cooperated with the US to increase the american military presence in Australia. This is not about protecting Australia or the US mainland, it is about American imperialism and Western domination of the East. This arrangement further draws Australia into this disgusting power play, and more deeply entwines Australia into the morally wretched US military machine.

So, I was wondering if anyone, especially our Australian members, had any ideas on how to drive the American military swine out. There are a few micro groups out there, that don't unfortunately seem to have achieved much - but bless them for trying. What would work? Any creative ideas? How much money would it take?

Hi there I am an Australian citizen yes. I am not impressed as our government is as bad as the usa now. I am also american born so in my opinion to get USA out of australia we need to get the government in power out of america. The rest will follow. Our politicians are lap dogs for the elite and sadly we are unarmed now because of the idiot Howard. You americans are about to be hit hard to get your guns so I strongly suggest stand up to the government now and remove all of them before they cull you and our governments do it to us. Not many at top of pyramid and yet billions at the bottom that can kick ass. My opinion guys. We need to do it together.

[mosquito]

Well, I do not like the reference to "American military swine", but I agree that the USA military should pull out of Australia. And while they are at it, they should also immediately pull the military out of Germany, Italy, UK, Spain, Turkey, Belgium, Portugal, Greece, Netherlands, Honduras, Canada, Kuwait, Bahrain, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, UAE, Egypt, South Africa, Japan, South Korea, Diego Garcia, Thailand, and Singapore.

Then we could complete the withdrawal from Afghanistan. Cuba is a touchy one. Did I leave out any country?

You beat me to it !! I'm sure there are countries missing from your list, but not due to any lack of diligence on your part, the fact is, the US military is present almost everywhere.

And here's the point, to all those americans who are tired of being criticized: No-one is suggesting that Russian/Korean/Japanese/Filipino etc etc troops should occupy the USA, all we're saying is that american troops should go back where they belong. Though I do have one suggestion, request actually .....

Before going back home, the entire US military should be made to go to Vietnam. There, they should amass on the East coast, stand shoulder to shoulder, 2-3 deep, and WALK in a Westerly direction across Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia and retrieve and REPATRIATE all the ordnance left behind by their criminal governments.

If they aren't prepared to do this, then kindly DO NOT expect us to believe they are the "good guys". Nor to believe that they are "Brave men and women in uniform" (One of the USA's natty little catchphrases which helps to keep the masses brainwashed). Nor to believe that they are fighting for freedom. Nor to believe that they are anything but the foot soldiers of the parasitic forces who wish to enslave us.

[ghostrider]

time to take care of home , each country take care of itself ... I totally agree , my government doesn't not represent my wishes ... let Australia take care of Australia ...

[wnlight]

There is a story floating around Ecuador that the USA asked president Rafael Correa if they could establish a US military base in Ecuador. Supposedly, Correa's answer was "Yes, if we can have a military base in the US." Negotiations ended there.

The US military bases all over the world is consistent with the US desire for a global US Empire. The tired, old idea of "Manifest Destiny" seems to have been extended to the entire world. Except that China, Russia and little Ecuador do not agree.

I am aware, of course, that the US Empire and the UK Empire and the EU Empire and the former Nazi Axis nations are all now ruled by the Elites who in turn may be ruled by off-world powers. I have read a lot about these off-word powers, but am still a little fuzzy about just who they are.

It seems that everyone has a boss - right on up the ladder. Except the unemployed. I have been unemployed since 2006. LOL

[Positive Vibe Merchant]

Unfortunately I dont think it is even possible at this stage. Our country is in way too deep, and playing for the wrong team considering China is our biggest trading partner.

Thenother side to this though is that China is buing alot of land and peroerty over here. Until people learn (or even learn to care about) things such as Pine Gap, and realise how many bases actually are here, nothing will change.

[Ellisa]

I agree PVM. It's way past the point when we can do anything about this (and also all the other appalling things happening in Australia at the moment.) Eventually we will have a chance to vote and sack this lot, but I think by then the numbers of American troops (at present not large numbers and only for limited duration) will be entrenched. As we are presently cozying up to China for trade and business deals our allowing American military forces to set up monitoring and other bases here seems oddly counterproductive. Maybe Australia ought to be more cautious and balanced when dealing with both old and new superpowers!

[Tesseract]

I think a referendum is an interesting idea - if it were held today the public would probably vote the way the labor and liberal parties tell them to - which would be to maintain the bases. Some kind of broad campaign would be required before hand. However, the debate itself may at least result in a reduction of troop numbers or hardware of some kind. Some may not be aware, but Australia had a referendum on independence from Britain in 1999 - the public voted to keep the queen. That was the mindset, and it has not changed - there is not enough independent spirit. Unfortunately too many are enthralled to the US and Britain.

There have been, of course, other countries that have succeeded in evicting US forces under varying circumstances.

Libya - socialist revolution
Lebanon - blew them to kingdom come
Iraq - denied them immunity from prosecution
New Zealand - Created nuclear free zone, keeps the aircraft carriers out.

It would be nice if Australia could at least ban their aircraft carriers and at the same time keep out the fleas who live in them. This has been discussed in the past, but all the right-wingers saturate the debate with talk of the economic benefits an aircraft carrier visit brings. Nevermind the fact that it is blood money. Never mind the history of drugging and rape.

[Positive Vibe Merchant]

A referendum could work, though there is nothing in 'politics' that is 'sacred' anymore. its all up for grabs, and I woudln't be surprised if I saw a story come out on MSM tomorrow that told us that the current PM was put in illegally, but rigging the numbers.

I had a thought some time ago, that it could be psosible that Audtralia could become a serious battle ground. the US had their bases here so they can strike Asia, if need be, from here, which basically brings us straight into any actions that they make. This would basically have us in a 'war against, China, and more closer to home Indonesia, who we already have some seriiously difficult relations with, because of our asylum seeker policies.

OUr givt is going down hill quicker than ever, and it is so steep it is difficult to come back from, but we can onlty keep trying.