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Cidersomerset
30th June 2014, 23:42
I think the missing link is ET either we are direct ancestors or genetically
altered per the Annunaki or other races. But I'm still interested in the bones
of other Earth hominoids so here we are....

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Has an Australian archaeologist found a new species of human?

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Published on 23 Jun 2014


Professor Darren Curnoe was the joint leader of a team of archeologists who
unearthed the remains of prehistoric humans in Southern China.He is the focus of a
new documentary, Enigma Man: A Stone Age Mystery, investigating what the
remains reveal about human evolution.

Bill Birtles reports.

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'Enigma Man' may be new human species that lived until 11,000 years ago

DateJune 19, 2014 Clare Rigden

Fresh light on China's Red Deer Cave People raises big questions.

Has an Australian scientist been instrumental in helping discover a new species of
human? And what does this mean for our understanding of human evolutionary
history? These are two questions at the heart of a new documentary screening this
week on ABC1.

With Enigma Man we follow the groundbreaking research of Aussie
paleoanthropologist Darren Curnoe and his Chinese colleague, paleontologist Ji
Xueping.

Their study of ancient human remains found in a remote cave in South-west China
looks at the idea there may have been another species of human existing alongside
our ancestors as recently as 11,000 – 14,000 years ago.

Dubbed the '‘Red Deer Cave people’', these ancient people, or, more precisely, their
remains – so similar, yet so physically different from us – are much, much younger
than our Neanderthal relatives, posing some seriously interesting questions. Were
they really another human species? And if so, what happened to them? Why did
they die out? How did they live? And what were their interactions with our own
early relatives?

These are indeed big questions, Curnoe says, and that's what makes the search for
answers so fascinating.


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Enigma Man: A figure based on the remains found in a remote cave in South West China.

“The documentary is about the process of deciding: do we have a new species or
not?” Curnoe, who is Associate Professor of evolutionary biology in the School of
Biological, Earth and Environmental Sciences at UNSW, explains.

“The fossils just don’t fit with the dominant view in science at the moment about
who was around 11,000 years ago or 14,000 years ago, how they relate to us, and
how we think of ourselves as humans in relation to nature.

“We tend to think of ourselves as special. So it raises some pretty deep and
challenging questions.

“There are views, which I subscribe to, and quite a lot of other people do too, that
there are at least 30 different species that are in the fossil record that would be
relatives of ours in some sense – some may be ancestors, some may be side-
branches that went extinct.

“The classic example is the Neanderthals – everyone has heard of them, even if you
don’t know much about them. What we are proposing is that instead of the
Neanderthals being the last of the other human-like creatures [before it was] just
us, we are in fact saying, well, no, this other group survived until much more
recently.”

What is fascinating about this documentary, written and directed by Daniella
Ortega, with Electric Pictures, is the dramatic re-enactments and reconstructions of
what these people might have looked like. Instead of simply presenting Curnoe and
Xueping’s research in a cut-and-dried way, the documentary gives it a distinctly
human relatability.

For Curnoe, who had worked with the Red Deer Cave people remains for the better
part of eight years, seeing his research come to life was extraordinary.

“I was blown away, actually,” he says, describing the first time he saw an actor in
full hair and make-up, looking like the ‘Enigma Man’ – the nickname given to the
mysterious remains – he’d been studying.

“I didn’t expect that the reconstructions would be that good and that lifelike. It was
actually quite confronting – just incredible,” he says.

“Between Daniella and the guy at make-up effects, we had been emailing, and I
was looking at the artistic representations and giving them feedback on how to
improve things and make them more anatomically accurate.

“I didn’t actually see anything physical until the day they filmed – I was blown
away by the quality of the work.”

“Our drama director Steve Westh and myself embarked on a process with an
incredibly talented prosthetic makeup team, Paul Katte and Nick Nicolaou,” Ortega
says. “Together with our scientists Darren and Ji we all worked to create the ‘best
guess’ as to what these people looked like.

“Over weeks and ultimately months, our ‘man’ developed from sketches, then to
models, and finally to moulds that would fit onto our actors.

“It was a fascinating process, very detailed and painstaking, but ultimately our Red
Deer Cave people emerged – and they looked real AND right!”

Curnoe says he’s pleased his research, done in collaboration with Xueping, and first
published in a peer-reviewed journal in 2012, is reaching a new audience.

“It gets the science across in a pretty entertaining way, but it also gets the value
and the meaning of the work across really well,” he says.

“That’s something that’s really pleased me about the collaboration; the way
Daniella and her writing really made an incredible effort to get the point across that
this is not just esoteric science, but is, in fact, something that touches us very
deeply and has some real meaning and value in terms of the way we think about
ourselves and the way we relate to the


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ENIGMA MAN: A Stone Age Mystery on ABC TV 24 June

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Published on 25 May 2014


Produced by: http://www.electricpictures.com.au/
A team of Australian and Chinese scientists discovers mysterious ancient human
remains from a remote cave in South West China. The bones are unlike any living
human or any ancient human known to science, yet they were alive at the same
time as humans of our own kind. Could they represent a new human species? And
if so, what happened to these people? Join the unfolding investigation to unravel
the mystery and travel back in time into their Stone Age world. These ancient
bones challenge everything we think we know about human evolution and raise
possibly the biggest question of all -- what truly makes us human?

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The discovery was announced a few years ago under 'Denisovan man'


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http://www.cryptozoonews.com/enigma-man/


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A new chapter in human history: Startling discovery of Stone Age cavemen in China
who 'are an entirely new species'

'Red deer people' lived 14,500-11,500 years ago in Asia
Previously thought that homo sapiens had continent to themselves

'Highly unusual' mixture of ancient and modern - could be new species
Could also be relic of early migration out of Africa which died out


By Rob Waugh

Published: 15:00, 14 March 2012 | Updated: 09:27, 16 March 2012


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2114867/Fossil-suggests-new-hominid-species-Stone-Age-cavemen-Red-deer-people-discovered-China.html#ixzz36AXGgbDv
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Meet some of the other flint Stones.....


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Human Evolution Homo Erectus, Goliath, the Hobbit (NatGeo)

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Published on 24 Feb 2013

Part of "Search for the Ultimate Survivor" from NatGeo. According to present data,
it is believed that homo erectus evolved into Goliath and the Hobbit in two different
parts of the world, both discoveries completely changed our understanding of
human evolution in the last decade or so.

'Hobbit' joins human family tree

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/40462000/jpg/_40462667_hflores_pa_203.jpg

Chris Stringer and LB1, PA Chris Stringer holds a
cast of the 18,000-year-old hominid LB1
Read more...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/3948165.stm

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RUETERS....


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(Reuters) - Two partial skeletons unearthed in a South African cave belong to a
previously unclassified species of pre-human dating back almost 2 million years and
may shed new light on human evolution, scientists said on Thursday.

Fossils of the bones of a young male and an adult female suggest the newly
documented species, called Australopithecus sediba, walked upright and shared
many physical traits with the earliest known human Homo species.

The finding of the pre-human, or hominid, fossils -- which scientists say are
between 1.78 and 1.95 million years old -- was published in the journal Science
and may answer some key questions about where humans came from.

Lee Berger of the University of the Witwatersrand, Johannesburg, who led the team
that found the fossils in August 2008, told a news conference held near the cave
outside Johannesburg the discovery was "unprecedented".

"I am struck by the exceptional nature of something right on our doorstep ... there
are more hominid fossils than I have ever discovered in my entire career," he said.

"When we found it we never imagined that we were looking at a new species."

Berger earlier told reporters by telephone the team were hoping to reveal a
possible two further skeletons from the same site.

He was reluctant to define the new species as a "missing link" in human
evolutionary history, but said it would "contribute enormously to our understanding
of what was going on at that moment where the early members of the genus Homo
emerged".

http://www.reuters.com/article/2010/04/08/ozatp-human-species-safrica-idAFJOE6370I820100408


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This fello does remind me a bit like.......
http://jonathanturley.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/skull-hominin-species.jpg

Homo Martian...LOL

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ghostrider
1st July 2014, 00:20
shhhh , the great secret , we are a genetically altered people , made to only live 80-100 years while our creator overlords ( the sons of heaven ) live for thousands of years ... Kamagol the second died in 1976 at 4,000 years old ... people don't even see that in the bible some lived 800 or 900 years old ... until a genetic modification was made that shortened our lifespans ...

Tyy1907
1st July 2014, 06:03
Yeti skeleton?

Cidersomerset
3rd July 2014, 05:34
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2 July 2014 Last updated at 19:03

Tibetan altitude gene inherited 'from extinct species'Tibetans

The Denisovans " Red Dear Cave people"....


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DNA identifies new ancient human
Cave girl's DNA gives up secrets

A gene that allows present-day people to cope with life at high altitude was
inherited from an extinct species of human, Nature journal has reported.

The variant of the EPAS-1 gene, which affects blood oxygen, is common in Tibetans
- many of whom live at altitudes of 4,000m all year round.

The DNA sequence matches one found in an extinct group called the Denisovans.

Many of us carry DNA from extinct humans who interbred with our ancestors as the
latter expanded out of Africa.

Both the Neanderthals - who emerged around 400,000 years ago and lived in
Europe and western Asia until 35,000 years ago - and the enigmatic Denisovans
contributed DNA to present-day people.

The Denisovans are known only from DNA extracted from the finger bone of a girl
unearthed at Denisova Cave near the Altai Mountains in Siberia. This 40,000-
50,000-year-old bone fragment, as well as a rather large tooth from another
individual, are all that is known of this species.

The tiny "pinky" bone yielded the entire genome sequence of the ancient girl it
belonged to, allowing scientists to compare it to the genetic sequences of modern
people in order to better understand the legacy of ancient interbreeding.

Now, researchers have linked an unusual variant of the EPAS1 gene, which is
involved in regulating the body's production of haemoglobin - the molecule that
carries oxygen in the blood - to the Denisovans. When the body is exposed to the
low oxygen levels encountered at high elevations, EPAS1 tells other genes in the
body to become active, stimulating a response that includes the production of extra
red blood cells.

The unusual variant in question is common among Tibetans and probably spread
under natural selection after they moved onto the high-altitude plateau in Asia
several thousand years ago.

"We have very clear evidence that this version of the gene came from Denisovans,"
said principal author co-author Rasmus Nielsen, from the University of California, Berkeley.



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Denisovan finger bone A tiny finger bone provided a high-quality DNA sequence for
a new species - the Denisovans

Prof Nielsen told BBC News: "If you and I go up to high altitude, we'll immediately
have various negative physiological effects. We'll be out of breath, we might suffer
from altitude sickness.

"After a little while, we'll try to compensate for this by producing more red blood
cells. But because we're not adapted to the high altitude environment, our response
would be maladaptive - we would produce too many red blood cells.

"The blood becomes too thick and raises our blood pressure, placing us at risk of
stroke and pre-eclampsia (in pregnant women)."

But Tibetans are protected against these risks by producing many fewer red blood
cells at high altitude. This keeps their blood from thickening.

The Tibetan variant of EPAS1 was discovered by Prof Nielsen's team in 2010. But
the researchers couldn't explain why it was so different from the DNA sequences
found in all other humans today, so they looked to more ancient genome sequences
for an answer.

"We compared it to Neanderthals, but we couldn't find a match. Then we compared
it to Denisovans and to our surprise there was an almost exact match," said Prof
Nielsen.

He says the interbreeding event with Denisovans probably happened a very long
time ago.

"After the Denisovan DNA came into modern humans, it lingered in different Asian
populations at low frequencies for a long time," Prof Nielsen explained.

"Then, when the ancestors of Tibetans moved up to high altitudes, it favoured this
genetic variant which then spread to the point where most Tibetans carry it today."

He says it remains unclear whether the Denisovans were also adapted to high
altitude. Denisova Cave lies at an elevation of 760m - not very high. But it is close
to the Altai Mountains which rise above 3,000m.

He said it was a clear and direct example of humans adapting to new environments
through genes acquired via interbreeding with ancient human species.

There are other hints of this. Previous research has shown that ancient humans
introduced genes that may help us cope with viruses outside Africa.

And a study of Eurasian populations showed that Neanderthal DNA is over-
represented in parts of the genome that are involved with making skin, hair and
nails, which may have been advantageous in the novel climatic conditions they
encountered.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-28127785

Skywizard
4th July 2014, 14:16
Possible thread merge? June 21 - Potential new human species discovered

panopticon
4th July 2014, 15:05
ENIGMA MAN: A Stone Age Mystery on ABC TV 24 June

mAqR93K27TA

Published on 25 May 2014

Produced by: http://www.electricpictures.com.au/
A team of Australian and Chinese scientists discovers mysterious ancient human
remains from a remote cave in South West China. The bones are unlike any living
human or any ancient human known to science, yet they were alive at the same
time as humans of our own kind. Could they represent a new human species? And
if so, what happened to these people? Join the unfolding investigation to unravel
the mystery and travel back in time into their Stone Age world. These ancient
bones challenge everything we think we know about human evolution and raise
possibly the biggest question of all -- what truly makes us human?


At time of writing documentary available here (http://movzap.com/ylhqcezpwgwe).

Cidersomerset
4th July 2014, 15:08
Cheers Pan watching it now.....