The rising Babel of ET disinfo

[wobbegong]

“And the Lord said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do.
Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech.
So the Lord scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth: and they left off to build the city.” (The Tower of Babel - King James Bible)

A story about ‘confounding’...rings a bell...

Look at most of the information that is circulating in relation to ‘ET realities’ today: it does not match.

Some matching info comes up at times, people at opposite sides of the world make the same claim and this is shown as breakthrough evidence – very easy to organise and easy to discern that it’s a setup.

The truth is that over the decades, ET related information has not only increased in magnitude, but also in a variety of specifics that are creating ample debate and a vast collection of contradictions.

Human interpretation plays its part, but it is definitely not the reason for some crystal clear contradictions.

Channellers, contactees, abductees, experiencers – some of whom claim to be ET’s themselves, mediums, other channels, most make claims that contradict one-another either directly or indirectly.

Just to name a few, offhand, as an example:
Meier’s contacts made specific direct claims, like the one that the Adamsky case was a hoax and that most ET-contact cases were hoaxes and that anyone using the word Pleiadian had no clue, because the right word is Plejaren.
A ‘spinoff’ from them, was George Green’s New Paradigm series. Here the ET source does not deny other claims of ET visitations and warns us about the negative ET intervention that is going on. Interestingly though, it says that abductions are actually a benevolent past soul-agreement. The books also advise us to hang in there and ‘hold the pole’ because help will arrive at one point.
The Allies of Humanity series, by Marshall Vian Summers, warn us about the negative ET intervention in a similar but much more definite way. They underline that abductions are not benevolent; they say that presently the benevolent races have withdrawn due to our impossibility, in this scenario, to ‘understand friend from foe’. They say that no ET help will arrive, and that we must develop a connection with our deeper mind, ‘Spirit’ or ‘Knowledge’.
Jim Bowden in his book ‘The Ringer’ also warns us about ET’s. Only his human ET friends are trustworthy. I have not read the whole book, so if anyone has, pls correct me if I’m wrong, but I understand, through some direct interaction with Jim, that these human ET’s claim to be our friends because they are human like us, while other races, especially the Greys, who put the author in this ‘ringer’, should be considered hostile.
On the opposite side, we have the likes of the much-debated Steven Greer, who claim that all ET’s here are benevolent.

Another spectacle of contradictions was taking place during the ‘pre-2012 era’. One ET source claimed that a giant Nexus would have killed most of us but saved the ones in a safe zone, others talked about the 3d-4d-5d etc. shifts, each one in a different way. Some contactees were shown Armageddon scenarios that brought tears to their eyes when interviewed; others were assured that the age of gold was at the doorstep…not to mention the embarrassing array of excuses that arrived after December 2012 to justify false claims and predictions that are impossible to escape with dignity unless successfully insulting peoples’ intelligence (there are some good threads here at Avalon about false predictions so I won’t elaborate further on this specific aspect).

We can also just look as close as recent debates here at Avalon to find non-matching info.

In general, contactees, abductees, experiencers, display a lot of info that doesn’t match. Even the info that has been taken ‘to the next level’, that allegedly comes directly from someone who claims to be an ET, doesn’t match the rest…although in that case I guess it has to be that way, as it’s supposed to be of higher quality.

The point is that information, predictions, claims and related contradictions continue to arrive and increase confusion.

However, the question is, are any of you confused?
I bet most are not. Personally, I am not confused. Maybe a few are, a few…but most of us are trusting our ability to discern and have our certainties about what we consider true or false.

Just like in the Babel story, no one was confused about their own language, they thought the others were babbling and confused. Nevertheless, there was confusion.

In the story, that is what God wanted, in order to be able to rule.

It's just an analogy to add some colour to this post, but truly, this is our dilemma in my opinion.

We are a weak and divided humanity with a galloping level of confusion rising and taking over while singles or groups stick to their certainties.

‘Something’ is orchestrating a ‘divide-and-conquer’ of the worst kind.

How can we solve this dilemma?

What would we truly KNOW, as ONE PEOPLE, if we were to face a visiting ET race?
We keep saying ‘discernment’, ok, but how can we take it ‘to the next level’ and solve this dilemma?

How do we protect ourselves?

It seems like the only thing that is being taken ‘to the next level’ nowadays is the amount of ways used to fool us.

[Omni]

Channellers, contactees, abductees, experiencers – some of whom claim to be ET’s themselves, mediums, other channels, most make claims that contradict one-another either directly or indirectly.

You can thank the US government for that. They are more active in the 'contactee' field than actual extraterrestrials. lol

[wobbegong]

Channellers, contactees, abductees, experiencers – some of whom claim to be ET’s themselves, mediums, other channels, most make claims that contradict one-another either directly or indirectly.

You can thank the US government for that. They are more active in the 'contactee' field than actual extraterrestrials. lol

You're very probably right mate!

[yelik]

We have and are still being subject to psychological warfare especially with the advent of the internet. Much of the information we get is decades old and the PTB are masters of deception so I would not blame anyone for being confused.

The amount of information and disinformation can be overwhelming, but we all know something is going on and things are not right in the world. I am in no doubt ET is real and not fictitious and it would be a near mathematical impossibility for them not to exist.

[mojo]

neat topic & true there is alot of noise out there yet through it there is something real and when this is known the rest just becomes background noise...;)

[Alien Ramone]

I don't see any solution to the conflicting information problem related to aliens. My approach is to figure out what adds up to me the most and then possibly adjust my opinion as more information is put out there. I agree that not knowing what is going on is keeping us divided. I think a lot of people underestimate just how empowering it would be to have a complete explanation of human history, and an explanation of the agendas and origins of all the alien groups involved with Earth.

The situation with the aliens is very murky, but to me the NWO plans in general are right in front of everyone's eyes. It can be seen step by step how the terrorist threat is being used to incrementally get the citizens under control. The lack of discernment of that by the masses has been very limiting in preventing it.

[Omni]

I don't see any solution to the conflicting information problem related to aliens. My approach is to figure out what adds up to me the most and then possibly adjust my opinion as more information is put out there. I agree that not knowing what is going on is keeping us divided. I think a lot of people underestimate just how empowering it would be to have a complete explanation of human history, and an explanation of the agendas and origins of all the alien groups involved with Earth.

The situation with the aliens is very murky, but to me the NWO plans in general are right in front of everyone's eyes. It can be seen step by step how the terrorist threat is being used to incrementally get the citizens under control. The lack of discernment of that by the masses has been very limiting in preventing it.

Very good points I must say.

One good thing about the US government spawning disinfo op 'contactees' is that they use truths mixed with lies. So even the most infiltrated and negative effect having contactees can have gems of worthwhile and truthfilled information. One person's foolishness in believing, is another's pot of gold if they can discern right and take the gems that are given.

[Natalia]

*delete* oops, wrong thread! lol

[wobbegong]

Good points IMO, in every single post here, thank you all.
Yesterday after reading your posts I was thinking...
- it's so true that there really is no solution to the Babel of disinfo going on, coming from who knows exactly 'what' or 'whom';
- it's also true that we can do a decent job discerning AND a lot of what is being perpetrated is actually right in front of us etc.
- but it's very hard for us Avalonians to all agree on certain things, and it's going to get harder because there IS something going on;
- we could easily get caught up in endless debate (mind you, debate here at Avalon is healthy most of the time, so I'm just referring to the divisive kind);

SO, while a solution to make us all agree on certain issues, does not exist, there is an ANTIDOTE to the 'confuse+divide and conquer' that is going on.

Forgive me for sounding overly-simplistic here, but I believe that the antidote is that there is actually SO MUCH that we all share and are united by, so much that we all want and so much that we all refuse...for example, just starting with the obvious, without any particular order:
we love freedom;
we love the truth;
we refuse subjugation;
we refuse deceit;
we refuse mind-control of any kind;
we love our planet;
we love a healthy and free from interference mental-space;
we refuse to be belittled by any race or institution be it earthly or foreign;
...;
...the list goes on.
So, maybe to agree on a list of this sort could start a "UNITE AND RESIST" movement to offset the divisive forces that are creeping up on us?

...dunno, just food for thought...maybe I'm being too idealistic?

[Sirius White]

Channeling is mostly nonsense.

New ageism doesn't even understand the tip of the iceberg that is the ET and time Travel reality.

Oh, and here's a kicker for you all: Aliens lie!!!! Just because they are supposedly advanced doesn't mean they have to be honest.

Oh and last but not least, things change. Nothing is set in stone.

Marshall Summers is closest to the truth. Yes we do have "help" but they aren't going to do the work for us. They can just help (as long as portions of us do it too) with things like stabilizing electromagnetic and gravitational effects and earth changes- to smooth it out. They are here in human bodies, as well as assisting in other, less direct ways- but no ET is going to land and save us.

[Billy]

- but it's very hard for us Avalonians to all agree on certain things, and it's going to get harder because there IS something going on;
- we could easily get caught up in endless debate (mind you, debate here at Avalon is healthy most of the time, so I'm just referring to the divisive kind);

SO, while a solution to make us all agree on certain issues, does not exist, there is an ANTIDOTE to the 'confuse+divide and conquer' that is going on.

Forgive me for sounding overly-simplistic here, but I believe that the antidote is that there is actually SO MUCH that we all share and are united by, so much that we all want and so much that we all refuse...for example, just starting with the obvious, without any particular order:
we love freedom;
we love the truth;
we refuse subjugation;
we refuse deceit;
we refuse mind-control of any kind;
we love our planet;
we love a healthy and free from interference mental-space;
we refuse to be belittled by any race or institution be it earthly or foreign;
...;
...the list goes on.
So, maybe to agree on a list of this sort could start a "UNITE AND RESIST" movement to offset the divisive forces that are creeping up on us?

...dunno, just food for thought...maybe I'm being too idealistic?

My thoughts are that agreements created throughout the history of humanity, between themselves and with non humans have tended to limit humanity.

I think it is because of oaths, declarations, contracts and agreements that humanity find themselves in the pickle they have today.

When an agreement is agreed then implemented, you are stuck with it until the next agreement, Whether thousands of years or a few generations, an agreement can stagnate humanity travelling endlessly along one timeline.

The only agreement i can embrace is the agreement i made with myself to come to earth and assist humanity and mother earth in these times. which already includes much in the list above and more, I think we have all made this agreement, therefore there is no requirement for me to be distracted or limited by another agreement.

just my thoughts.

peace

[Omni]

- but it's very hard for us Avalonians to all agree on certain things, and it's going to get harder because there IS something going on;
- we could easily get caught up in endless debate (mind you, debate here at Avalon is healthy most of the time, so I'm just referring to the divisive kind);

SO, while a solution to make us all agree on certain issues, does not exist, there is an ANTIDOTE to the 'confuse+divide and conquer' that is going on.

Forgive me for sounding overly-simplistic here, but I believe that the antidote is that there is actually SO MUCH that we all share and are united by, so much that we all want and so much that we all refuse...for example, just starting with the obvious, without any particular order:
we love freedom;
we love the truth;
we refuse subjugation;
we refuse deceit;
we refuse mind-control of any kind;
we love our planet;
we love a healthy and free from interference mental-space;
we refuse to be belittled by any race or institution be it earthly or foreign;
...;
...the list goes on.
So, maybe to agree on a list of this sort could start a "UNITE AND RESIST" movement to offset the divisive forces that are creeping up on us?

...dunno, just food for thought...maybe I'm being too idealistic?

My thoughts are that agreements created throughout the history of humanity, between themselves and with non humans have tended to limit humanity.

I think it is because of oaths, declarations, contracts and agreements that humanity find themselves in the pickle they have today.

When an agreement is agreed then implemented, you are stuck with it until the next agreement, Whether thousands of years or a few generations, an agreement can stagnate humanity travelling endlessly along one timeline.

The only agreement i can embrace is the agreement i made with myself to come to earth and assist humanity and mother earth in these times. which already includes much in the list above and more, I think we have all made this agreement, therefore there is no requirement for me to be distracted or limited by another agreement.

just my thoughts.

peace
Great Post IMO. The thanks button isn't enough.

[Gardener]

Ha! Yes wobbegong, i hear you on the confusion of information, the oposing views and each very certain of their facts. Besides the cointelpro planted false information we are confronted by delusional humans, who with the very best of intent confound us with their certainty.

As for contracts, or whatever - I can only speak from my personal feelings but here is my stance - if it works against another it is contract cancelled. We have a beingness, that which we are, all else is opinion regardless of what we 'think' we should be. So if something feels right acording to our beingness then it is so, if it feels wrong and we think we have a contract, opt out otherwise we are owned and manipulated to feed the feeders whoever and whatever they are. And I am not sure it matters that we know who they are as long as we refuse to feed them.

I strongly feel that the work on our own beingness is paramount in forming a good antenna for truth. Once the psyche is clear of the debris which works against us, the pathway will become much more obvious, and lost energy through misbelief will return. Its a win win because as each individual draws back their energy through work on their psyche, the collective strength of the energy of all humanity and the earth, rises exponentially.

That is the battle, it is inside us, and much as they would like to lower it more and more with their nefarious tortures, and these can be right under our own roof, as well as internationally and interdimensionally, we still have the beingness to guide us. Who we are. Ok I acknowledge this is a broad brush stroke, and I accept that my efforts are weak and small in the scheme of things, however the smallest steps are imperative to the whole journey.

From all the information out there and some of it is really interesting, some has a 'feel good' factor, which could arguably appeal to the need for a 'saviour' or the 'just world theory' something, anything, from which we can calm our troubled minds. Some appeals to the 'self importance' or being 'special' a kind of 'in the know' feeling. All these type of hooks can simply distract from the importance of the inner quest, when a simple internal question of 'how is this appealing to me' may yield some interesting answers.

There is such a vastness in the cosmos, and there is vastness in the inner landscape, we have our work cut out.

One thing I have noticed on my journey is the way our attention is directed outwards, up there, over there, out there, which kind of says to me what do they not want us to pay attention to. And the second thing I have noticed is that once we make some kind of progressive connection and act on it, like ripples from a pebble in a pool, the frequency goes out and returns with a vengence tending to block the effort, neutralise the progress for a time to a greater or lesser degree.

Anyway rambled on rather but on the whole I can understand where you are coming from wobbegong and this is my contribution to demolishing that tower of babel.

[S-L]

What an excellent thread and topic for discussion - thank you!

The keyword in your post that resonated with me most is "discernment". Anyone who chooses to investigate this important topic will have to cultivate a high degree of discernment. One of the challenges is that ET abductors have a proven ability to manipulate thoughts, emotions and even memories. What hope for discernment do any of us have if we cannot even trust the content of our minds?

Our minds cannot be adequately discerning in this context. Even highly intelligent people with strong deductive abilities have no hope here. Unless, of course, they cultivate their relationship with the Greater Mind within themselves - Spirit. Spirit is the greatest power in the universe. It cannot be altered, manipulated or controlled by any force - even alien. A person that adequately prepares his or her mind and body can fully reclaim their relationship with Spirit and become an expression of Spirit in the world. Such people can discern the truth and reality of the alien intervention on this planet.

[Carmody]

As long as any one of us has any form of individuality and we continue to communicate, some will consider this to be noise and confusion.

It is not any of those, it is viewable as ...an inability to understand that the price of individuality is a form of noise, or seeming chaos -as seen from that vantage point of individuality which does not know all things.

Uniformity in all things, completing and completion in all things, is death.

Chaos and non-uniformity, differential.... is life itself.

Life without reaching, life without unfolding ---is an ending, a finality, it is a nothingness. A finished pattern is a dead pattern.

One of the fundamental components of life with an avatar is a lack of reach and a backdrop of unknowing -a chaos in the backdrop of a sort.

Too much chaos, and life cannot form. it's a pretty fine line between the two, and more more peaked it is, the more chances there are for life to form.

May you live in interesting times.

Seek not comfort as a totality, for that way is the way of the walking/living dead.

[wobbegong]

My thoughts are that agreements created throughout the history of humanity, between themselves and with non humans have tended to limit humanity.

I think it is because of oaths, declarations, contracts and agreements that humanity find themselves in the pickle they have today.

When an agreement is agreed then implemented, you are stuck with it until the next agreement, Whether thousands of years or a few generations, an agreement can stagnate humanity travelling endlessly along one timeline.

The only agreement i can embrace is the agreement i made with myself to come to earth and assist humanity and mother earth in these times. which already includes much in the list above and more, I think we have all made this agreement, therefore there is no requirement for me to be distracted or limited by another agreement.

just my thoughts.

peace

I am very much in accord with you here.
I should have used the word “share” rather than “agree” which could be misunderstood for something contractual.
And of course only if moved to do so without feeling required or distracted or bound.

[wobbegong]

... we still have the beingness to guide us. ...
...
One thing I have noticed on my journey is the way our attention is directed outwards, up there, over there, out there, which kind of says to me what do they not want us to pay attention to. And the second thing I have noticed is that once we make some kind of progressive connection and act on it, like ripples from a pebble in a pool, the frequency goes out and returns with a vengence tending to block the effort, neutralise the progress for a time to a greater or lesser degree.

...
Thankyou for your contribution, Gardner, I agree with what you say about our beingness to guide us, like S-L said also:
"Spirit. Spirit is the greatest power in the universe. It cannot be altered, manipulated or controlled by any force - even alien."

Interesting what you say about our attention being directed somewhere, and how this can be an indication of what they don't want us to pay attention to. I agree, but sometimes I just can't trace it...do you have any examples?

[S-L]

I remember being told about a woman who had this deep inner feeling that she had been abducted but just could not bring herself to search online for information. She physically could not and had to ask her friend to look for her. This might be a good red flag: when irrational fear grips you as you try and do something, ask yourself if there's an outside influence at play.

[Omni]

I remember being told about a woman who had this deep inner feeling that she had been abducted but just could not bring herself to search online for information. She physically could not and had to ask her friend to look for her. This might be a good red flag: when irrational fear grips you as you try and do something, ask yourself if there's an outside influence at play.
I have experienced the same situation except it was overt control. When it is overt it can get hairy as they have taken control of my body and deleted posts before, they torture etc. She was being controlled to not look for information... Fear is right most likely. They have facades of mind control and energy put into people's minds to rationalize the synthetic reality as true. And they use fear a lot, but it's def not the only thing they can effect...

[wobbegong]

I remember being told about a woman who had this deep inner feeling that she had been abducted but just could not bring herself to search online for information. She physically could not and had to ask her friend to look for her. This might be a good red flag: when irrational fear grips you as you try and do something, ask yourself if there's an outside influence at play.
I have experienced the same situation except it was overt control. When it is overt it can get hairy as they have taken control of my body and deleted posts before, they torture etc. She was being controlled to not look for information... Fear is right most likely. They have facades of mind control and energy put into people's minds to rationalize the synthetic reality as true. And they use fear a lot, but it's def not the only thing they can effect...
Even though we're talking about an awake state, I think that your thread, Omni, here: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?72743-Do-Not-be-Manipulated-by-Dreams
can be very helpful - so thanks for that, and for sharing your personal experiences.
I experienced something similar on different occasions, psychological tortures (is that the kind of torture you are talking about?); one time while driving on a highway, on a long trip...all of a sudden I felt the injection in my mind of a total, total fear of death, like thinking that at any moment a tyre could blow up, and anything else that could cause me a deadly accident at any moment. The only thing that saved me was that it happened during a time of my life when I thought that my 'Teachers' were just trying to train me (I also thought the other psychological tortures were 'training"). I'm sure, now, that it wasn't so, but it still helped because, in the midst of the fear, I had that thought and that made the fear go away - maybe the perpetrator realised that it just wasn't working?

About the perpetrator, I don't doubt the US (or other) government involvement as you put it, but I am sure that it's a cooperation with foreign, ET forces.

In any case, the key issue is that we are facing a mental war against humanity.

[Omni]

About the perpetrator, I don't doubt the US (or other) government involvement as you put it, but I am sure that it's a cooperation with foreign, ET forces.
There is no doubt in my mind as well. It also aligns with my experiences too. Certain reptiles being the main negative force out there(The Alphas).


In any case, the key issue is that we are facing a mental war against humanity.
Yes and we are born upon this battlefield totally clueless to such realities in many cases. In my case I always felt a threateneing presence on earth energetically since a child. I believe such was a benevolent mind control(which are seldom talked about) via my guides...

[DNA]

Meier’s contacts made specific direct claims, like the one that the Adamsky case was a hoax and that most ET-contact cases were hoaxes and that anyone using the word Pleiadian had no clue, because the right word is Plejaren.

I agree with what your saying especially here.
The contactee information is 99% garbage. Meier has had the only contacts that have provided any useful information.
There are a few in the Wendelle Stevens catalogue that are intriguing, but for the most part no one has even heard of them.

When you boil it down, it's kind of like what John Keel and Jaque Valee were saying.
The vast amount of ET contact information is disinformation.

[Omni]

Meier’s contacts made specific direct claims, like the one that the Adamsky case was a hoax and that most ET-contact cases were hoaxes and that anyone using the word Pleiadian had no clue, because the right word is Plejaren.

I agree with what your saying especially here.
The contactee information is 99% garbage. Meier has had the only contacts that have provided any useful information.
There are a few in the Wendelle Stevens catalogue that are intriguing, but for the most part no one has even heard of them.

When you boil it down, it's kind of like what John Keel and Jaque Valee were saying.
The vast amount of ET contact information is disinformation.
The same meier that thought age restrictions on humans being able to have kids(and taking away kids if they have them earlier) is a good thing to do? I'll pass on his information. he is a landmark case I'll give him that but plenty of contactees have better information. the problem is how do you give a contactee something that is so offensive to reptilians they will have their minions target that person? There are answers but it is hard. There is no contactee case the US government has not infiltrate to some degree by my experiences. Character assassination is a big thing here. You can get good tidbits from most contactees... Simon gave me more in one post than the entire contact case of Meier could give. Maybe you should check out his thread... I haven't yet beyond a few posts, but I plan to.

[DNA]

The same meier that thought age restrictions on humans being able to have kids(and taking away kids if they have them earlier) is a good thing to do? I'll pass on his information.

It's funny, I"m sure we have different views and come from different perspectives on things, but I was amazed when I read this from the Meier material. It was a real affirmation that his information was on the up and up.
No flowery phrases or magical promises. Just a plain old honest explanation of one of the world's greatest problems with an equally plain old honest solution.

Long before I ever heard of Meier I wrote a paper in college explaining how the problems of the world could be cured if a licensing system was established for prospective parents.
I don't think elaborating on it now is the time or place, but suffice it to say I agree 100% with the message you referenced.


Given the vastness of Meier's information I'm sure we all could focus on some portion we do not like.
I come from the camp "Take what you like and discard what you do not". For me the awe inspiring totality of contactee information is garbage. So you could load a truck up with every contact message ever written, take it to the dump and bury it with the rest of societies excrement as far as I am concerned. With the exception of Meier. In this case I'm practicing the "Take what you like and discard what you do not" mantra, and I applaud any and all who do the same. :)





plenty of contactees have better information.
I disagree, I believe none of them do.
As a matter of fact, I believe the message of most contactees will more often detract from you spiritual evolution rather than contribute to it.
That being said I think it is wonderful that we can both share our diametrically opposed view points in such a civilized manner.




the problem is how do you give a contactee something that is so offensive to reptilians they will have their minions target that person? There are answers but it is hard. There is no contactee case the US government has not infiltrate to some degree by my experiences. Character assassination is a big thing here. You can get good tidbits from most contactees... Simon gave me more in one post than the entire contact case of Meier could give. Maybe you should check out his thread... I haven't yet beyond a few posts, but I plan to.
I don't think it fair to play the boogy man card. The information is what it is. Plenty of people are willing to martyr themselves for a cause if that is what it takes. You think quite a bit of Simon given you haven't read his thread yet.
Not reading Simon's thread and remarking on it in such a positive fashion leads me to believe you may not have read the Meier information in which case maybe your negative remarks are hasty, maybe if you had read the Meier information it would change your mind.

[Sirius White]

You want to know what our only means of protection is?

The thing you call a vector of your intention- will power. Thought. Consciousness. The technology of THOUGHT.

You see, the secret, Seth, and other teachings weren't too far off. Reality is quite literally a thought manifested light encoded matrix.

Combined vector of intention at a specific locus combined with trained people who know how to draw energy and then directed at a specific task with all of their being. Trust me this is all more than possible.

Armed with this (which none of them want you to know you have) you can protect your own little bubble matrix we call earth. You can turn the tide of just about anything. Yes, you can edit the future. You can turn prophecy upside down.

[donk]

I remember being told about a woman who had this deep inner feeling that she had been abducted but just could not bring herself to search online for information. She physically could not and had to ask her friend to look for her. This might be a good red flag: when irrational fear grips you as you try and do something, ask yourself if there's an outside influence at play.
I have experienced the same situation except it was overt control. When it is overt it can get hairy as they have taken control of my body and deleted posts before, they torture etc. She was being controlled to not look for information... Fear is right most likely. They have facades of mind control and energy put into people's minds to rationalize the synthetic reality as true. And they use fear a lot, but it's def not the only thing they can effect...
Even though we're talking about an awake state, I think that your thread, Omni, here: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?72743-Do-Not-be-Manipulated-by-Dreams
can be very helpful - so thanks for that, and for sharing your personal experiences.
I experienced something similar on different occasions, psychological tortures (is that the kind of torture you are talking about?); one time while driving on a highway, on a long trip...all of a sudden I felt the injection in my mind of a total, total fear of death, like thinking that at any moment a tyre could blow up, and anything else that could cause me a deadly accident at any moment. The only thing that saved me was that it happened during a time of my life when I thought that my 'Teachers' were just trying to train me (I also thought the other psychological tortures were 'training"). I'm sure, now, that it wasn't so, but it still helped because, in the midst of the fear, I had that thought and that made the fear go away - maybe the perpetrator realised that it just wasn't working?

About the perpetrator, I don't doubt the US (or other) government involvement as you put it, but I am sure that it's a cooperation with foreign, ET forces.

In any case, the key issue is that we are facing a mental war against humanity.

Agreed, there are technologies or methods of preventing experiencers from "knowing", perhaps implants or spiritual blockages of some sort...whenever I could get my (normally distracted) partner to concentrate and focus on paranormal experiences her physical body would shut down. It took a lot of work and self awareness to overcome that, and in the process of course we both get distracted by "real life" issues. Complexity seems to be a weapon of those that would keep us ignorant.

Of course, that in itself could be a distraction, a trap--making me (and her) think that we are on the right track. I often think "aliens" or "higher beings" are more often psyops than revealing anything useful for humanity.

[Peace of Mind]

It’s best not to pay any of the Alien information any attention. We’ve done so for so long and all it’s ever done was corrupt our minds by promoting fear/ uncertainty/ and wild ideologies. What else has it done? I’m more than curious to hear about it...

We are still learning about our own planet, still discovering new species on our planet, still have unexplained mysteries and phenomenon on this planet. We can’t even find credible evidence confirming/debunking a giant hole going straight through the center of our very own planet. With all the technology we have at our disposal. We still can’t thoroughly examine the deep seas. We live on a small portion of this planet; most of its land mass is covered in water.

There are places on this planet that are uncharted, new places with pyramids and evidence of ancient civilizations…that may or may not be as advance as today’s inhabitants. Many of us have never traveled around our planet; much more never (or will ever) leave their own state/country. We hardly even understand/respect each other’s cultural indifferences. Yet, we somehow pretend to know what’s happening off of this planet, and know about entities from other planets…wow!

When I view ancient script/drawings found in caves/temples/ancient tombs, etc…I see ancient humans who advanced themselves to the point of extinction…either by killing themselves off with their technologies, or from various natural catastrophic conditions. I don’t see aliens; I see people were extremely scientifically advance… and not as secretive and limited as we are today. I’m sure many of the secrets in the Mid East is buried under the sands…as that region of the planet looks like it was once surrounded by water and plush plant life…now it’s dried out and barren.

Everything “we think” we know about the cosmos was given to us by the very people we don’t trust. How can you/we pick and choose what info to believe…especially when you haven’t even left the planet to confirm any of it for yourself? We form these wild ideas about distance stars and planets from corrupt institutions like “Nasa”, and movies. No one has ever been to another planet, but we trust that probes/rovers/robots were sent in our place…as we are increasingly relying on A.I. to educate Actual intelligence. Here’s something to consider…we are the only life forms left in this dimension.

If Nasa or any other credible source has yet to find/confirmed any intelligent life…how does anybody else get this information? Why trust any vague info before extracting something of substance from it?

All of our data about outer space comes from probes…and calculations…not actual close encounters/experiences. Much of it is inconclusive because of our lack of knowledge in science and physics. Yet, we have people coming from out of the woodwork's saying they are from another planet/been to another planet/feel they are from another planet…yet can’t even understand/answer questions pertaining to the highly inconclusive data we have about the cosmos.

We are only assuming what’s out there based on speculation. We know nothing about space, only trust what’s been said to us. Actually this should be a wake up moment. Because years and years being fed the same probabilities and none of it has yet to materialize. I wonder why? It’s more logical for the governments to use “Aliens” as a distraction and great disempowering tool. It has always created bewilderment and great Science fiction flicks….while possibly using it as a front to masks their secret agendas. Blaming Aliens is a great way to get away with crimes and unethical tests performed on humans and other Earthly creatures.

Another thing I find suspicious is people claiming to have contact/experiences with aliens. I’ve observed many people here make those claims and all they seem to ever do is sit around here on a daily bases…but never producing anything confirming their claims. I often wonder if they are attention seekers/ lonely or both…only because they hardly display anything of importance or specialty/or possess exceptional skills that would make ET interested in them...especially if such claims have been made.

I’ve made post like this here for the last several years…they are meant to serve as a reminder of the precious time that was wasted on the subject. I wonder if this time next year we will be any closer to real evidence…or just more people getting sucked into this brain washing trap. If the latter...I’ll probably still be around here saying the same thing… only because I care.

Peace

[donk]

Nice post PoM, i was trying to articulate a lot of those ideas over here:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?58576-ET-disclosure-is-the-ultimate-tool-of-dividing-humanity

[Gardener]

Interesting what you say about our attention being directed somewhere, and how this can be an indication of what they don't want us to pay attention to. I agree, but sometimes I just can't trace it...do you have any examples?

My appologies wobbegong, just saw that you ask here for examples. My inference here was to looking inside our own psyche, rather than out there or up there. For example the image of 'God up in his heaven' (points skyward) or having us investing time, energy and emotion into less worthwhile persuits, eg television, football, facebook.

[Sirius White]

Aliens...older versions of humanity....not mutually exclusive. They were here before the Deluge, and they still are.

[DNA]

Aliens...older versions of humanity....not mutually exclusive. They were here before the Deluge, and they still are.

Or you could say that we are ALL aliens, and there are those from before the Deluge who retained some technical ability and still live here.

Both would be true in my opinion

For the aliens surely copulated with man at some point. Making them,,,,,,us