Where science and spirituality meet (revisited)

[joeecho]

Where science and spirituality meet (revisited)

Today I meditated on the subtitled words of Project Avalon. However I suspect I am always meditating on this, though not always on a present conscious way.

What better way to get to know Avalon but to meet its spirit. That part of Avalon that is indefinable in so as it is indestructible by its nature.

http://www.fabiodago.it/photos_mid/CreazioneAdamo.jpg

I think it’s also the drive of humanity to meet something REAL, something that doesn’t change no matter the reason or circumstances. A place that is restful yet immensely energizing.

What must I keep in mind is.... the point where science and spirituality meet is also the place where they diverge. That fine line; that tease; that seduction. That place that once I have been there, I can never get out of my head. The only way to get it out of my head, in a sense, is to be there/ meet there once again.

The vehicle that gets me there is also the vehicle that takes me away.

I am now reminded of a part of a poem by Alfred Lord Tennyson in his poem In Memoriam A. H. H.

'Tis better to have loved and lost
Than never to have loved at all.

To have love and lost is madness because what would be more maddening then losing the love of your life? There can be nothing more devastating yet, in contrast, nothing more divine then the return of love. There will never be a more intense ride (I am thinking of a roller coaster here) ever built that compares to the experience of having those two extremes.

I will lose love a million times over if I may have/ experience love for all eternity.


(I diverged, I suppose, from my original intention of this post but I got caught up…….)

[joeecho]

Drops Of Jupiter

Though songs can be interpreted in many ways, I interpret it in the spirit of the post I did above.

"But tell me did you sail across the sun
Did you make it to the Milky Way to see the lights all faded
And that heaven is overrated"

"But tell me did the wind sweep you off your feet
Did you finally get the chance to dance along the light of day
And head back to the Milky Way
And tell me, did Venus blow your mind
Was it everything you wanted to find
And did you miss me while you were looking for yourself out there"

I believe he is asking her if she experienced a love lost.

"Now that she's back in the atmosphere
With drops of Jupiter in her hair, hey, hey
She acts like summer and walks like rain
Reminds me that there's time to change, hey, hey
Since the return of her stay on the moon
She listens like spring and she talks like June, hey, hey"

I believe this suggests that she did and this is an expression of that experience of love upon her return.

"Reminds me that there's time to change"

He experiences the change in her. The questions that follow in the song are only secondary. Like two lovers conversing after one of them has gone away and returned from a long trip....in this case....across the heavens. Imagine being lost in the heavens/ universe and being able to find your way back through it all into the arms of true love. Now that is something (Real).


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Xf-Lesrkuc

[joeecho]

Soul Vacation

Re: What must I keep in mind is.... the point where science and spirituality meet is also the place where they diverge.

The meeting and departure point. (Is this the point of it all?)

Soul Vacation can have two meaning.

A vacation FROM soul. (Departure from the craft/ vehicle)

A vacation TO soul. (Departure to the craft / vehicle) "To boldly go where no one has gone before" To explore OUTER space. The ego could be considered both the vehicle and the outer. The microcosm and the macrocosm. The one reflects the other. As above, so below.

July 4th (Independence)

Where sparks fly!

Independence FROM the craft.

Independence TO the craft.

The 4th of July is symbolic of a portal, if you will.

(Happy to be sharing outer space with you all!)

[sirdipswitch]

Sorry, but Science and Spirituality, can never meet.

For the feeble limits of Science, CANNOT match,

The Magnificence of Spirit. ever.:wizard:

[joeecho]

Sorry, but Science and Spirituality, can never meet.

For the feeble limits of Science, CANNOT match,

The Magnificence of Spirit. ever.:wizard:

Been there.

I'll wait for you to catch up.

I have time. :clock:

:p

Wait! I have a better idea.

I'll come back and meet you where you are.

You're right, Science and Spirituality, can never meet.

Okay then. Let me know when you are ready and 'we' will go together. :)


"Told a story about a man who was too afraid to fly so he never did land."

Believe me, I get it.

*:: Edit ::*


Sorry, but Science and Spirituality, can never meet.


That in and of it self is a limitation and contra to the nature of spirituality. Boxing in spirituality is an illusion. No?

Or perhaps...

They offer something to each,

The unlimited offers limitation eternity and in turn, the limited offers the unlimited the chance to do it all over again (and again).

'Tis better to have loved and lost
Than never to have loved at all.

Limitation/ Science is a reflection that spirit rides from reflection to reflection to.... (Soul Vacation)

[joeecho]

Spirit meets spirit through the craft of science (broadly speaking).

If it wasn't for science there would be/ is nothing.

I do not mean the 'experience' of nothing because that happens through the craft of science. We only have the idea of nothing through the craft of science.

What I am speaking of is completely different then that.

You are spirit, I am spirit, we all are spirit and we all meet by way of science. Again, I am using science broadly to include both the exoteric and the esoteric. There is no other way. All ways are the way.

The tread between us is iridescent in color and varies in frequency depending on present knowledge and circumstances but the constant variable between us (or you and another/ others) is 'science'.

So yes, as spirit 'we' have all met and meet science every day for better or worse.

[joeecho]

Sorry, but Science and Spirituality, can never meet.

For the feeble limits of Science, CANNOT match,

The Magnificence of Spirit. ever.:wizard:

I realize that I may have translated what you 'said' here....wrong. In that case I was wrong.

of course we could share the error (just for fun, lol) and 'say'...

You may have translated what you meant to 'say' here....wrong. In that case you were wrong.

or, we were both wrong in our translations as spirituality is untranslatable in the manifest.

[Clear Light]

Spirit meets spirit through the craft of science (broadly speaking).

If it wasn't for science there would be/ is nothing

I do not mean the 'experience' of nothing because that happens through the craft of science. We only have the idea of nothing through the craft of science.

What I am speaking of is completely different then that.

You are spirit, I am spirit, we all are spirit and we all meet by way of science. Again, I am using science broadly to include both the exoteric and the esoteric. There is no other way. All ways are the way.

The tread between us is iridescent in color and varies in frequency depending on present knowledge and circumstances but the constant variable between us (or you and another/ others) is 'science'.

So yes, as spirit 'we' have all met and meet science every day for better or worse.

Oh, perhaps in the interest of kick-starting this thread again may I propose :

IF it wasn't for Awareness / Consciousness / Mind there would be no "Science" eh ? LOL ;)

[ZooLife]

Spirit meets spirit through the craft of science (broadly speaking).

If it wasn't for science there would be/ is nothing

I do not mean the 'experience' of nothing because that happens through the craft of science. We only have the idea of nothing through the craft of science.

What I am speaking of is completely different then that.

You are spirit, I am spirit, we all are spirit and we all meet by way of science. Again, I am using science broadly to include both the exoteric and the esoteric. There is no other way. All ways are the way.

The tread between us is iridescent in color and varies in frequency depending on present knowledge and circumstances but the constant variable between us (or you and another/ others) is 'science'.

So yes, as spirit 'we' have all met and meet science every day for better or worse.

Oh, perhaps in the interest of kick-starting this thread again may I propose :

IF it wasn't for Awareness / Consciousness / Mind there would be no "Science" eh ? LOL ;)

In the interest of that which transcends awareness as a percieved entity,.........

What science? ;)

(.....and, if you caught it, what interest?)


It's quite a thing to be interested in something otherwise it would ALL be uninteresting.

Interest: a doorway to distraction.

http://www.robertlanza.com/images/books/biocentrism-how_life_creates_the_universe.jpg

[Clear Light]

Oh, perhaps in the interest of kick-starting this thread again may I propose :

IF it wasn't for Awareness / Consciousness / Mind there would be no "Science" eh ? LOL ;)

In the interest of that which transcends awareness as a percieved entity,.........

What science? ;)

(.....and, if you caught it, what interest?)


It's quite a thing to be interested in something otherwise it would ALL be uninteresting.

Interest: a doorway to distraction

Hahahaha :clapping:

oh, well, please consider it as a figure-of-speech, an invitation, a concession to duality, even plain "small talk" or perhaps as an ice-breaker if you will ...

Who says non-dual awareness doesn't like to have fun eh ? ;)

I sense / feel :heart: a Game is afoot here ... shall 'we' play awhile ?

[greybeard]

If you are game you get shot.
Pheasant dreams.
c

[Clear Light]

Interest: a doorway to distraction

Oh, now, perhaps along the lines of a particularly well known Shakespearian [1] saying :



"To Project, or not to Project, this is the Distraction" eh ?
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Thus the question naturally arises : "Distracted from what ?"

To which I answer "Our Mind's natural Essence free from ALL concepts and conceptualising"

Yet how is this both Scientific AND Spiritual ?

But did not ALL Scientific theories and models AT ONE TIME start out as mere "ideas" in someone's Head (Mind) ?

Therefore I ponder who knows what Potential there is, even today, for NEWER [2] and perhaps more ACCURATE descriptions to Emerge eh ?


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[1] "To Be, or not to Be, that is the question"

[2] Or Ancient but in contemporary language

[ZooLife]

Thus the question naturally arises : "Distracted from what ?"


You raised a number of beautiful ideas in your latest post Clear Blue Skies. Just one of which I will briefly comment on now.

Distraction is its own distraction.

Consciousness is like the first order of distraction. Without it there is no distraction.

Consciousness senses it can be distracted but rarely, from my experience, does it sense it IS the distraction.

Still........

Why distraction?

I don't have a satisfactory answer to that. I suppose, if I did, it wouldn't be a distraction. ;)

...............................

Distraction seemingly comes from nowhere and refuses to let the eye go.

(this sentence came to mind while I wrote this post in my daze of writing)

[Clear Light]

Thus the question naturally arises : "Distracted from what ?"


You raised a number of beautiful ideas in your latest post Clear Blue Skies. Just one of which I will briefly comment on now.

Distraction is its own distraction.

Consciousness is like the first order of distraction. Without it there is no distraction.

Consciousness senses it can be distracted but rarely, from my experience, does it sense it IS the distraction.

Still........

Why distraction?

I don't have a satisfactory answer to that. I suppose, if I did, it wouldn't be a distraction. ;)

...............................

Distraction seemingly comes from nowhere and refuses to let the eye go.

(this sentence came to mind while I wrote this post in my daze of writing)

Ah, it sounds like you're describing an Experiential Knowing rather than an Intellectual Knowing ?

[Clear Light]

Ah, perhaps if I was to suggest : In "You" (as Awareness) arise diverse and varied Phenomena (such as distractions, thoughts, perceptions etc), not as separate to you, like as a witness watching or as an observer observing, but as inherently inseparable with one's "unborn" nature as Awareness ?

IMHE that's why there's nothing to "get rid of" in terms of the "little self" because, from a deeper space of "seeing", one's "little self" is seen simply as yet more phenomena ... LOL


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[ZooLife]

Oh, it sounds like you're describing an Experiential Knowing rather than an Intellectual Knowing ?

I am not familiar with the term (Experiential Knowing).

[ZooLife]

Anything achievable including awareness of awareness is done via consciousness...............................without it there is nothing.

Even unconsciousness as described by the conscious world is really but another form of consciousness.

Everything that has or will ever be described is done via consciousness so the 'me' as consciousness will never be able to describe what is beyond that. 'It' can only be alluded to within the limitations of consciousness.....even as infinite that limitation appears to be.

[ZooLife]

Follow up to one of my prior posts and then I will leave it alone.


Still........

Why distraction?

Because distraction is a perception just like an imperfection is a perception.

If an imperfection is not perceived by perception it does not exist in relationship to said perception.

One can perceive of an object as flawless but when put under a microscope an imperfection will be perceived.

[StandingWave]

Is Science not about Observation of Creation and the unveiling of its truths,
while Spirituality is about the Observer of creation as the core of Truth?

To me, Avalon represents the diaphanous boundary where One becomes the Other.

[joeecho]

What were things before there was science to explain it? Answer: A mystery.

I contend that even with much explained, it is still a mystery.

If it all can be explained, why is it all still here? I have yet seen any of it explained away.

Scientist are still digging, that tells me that they are still not certain what or why here is here, though there are clues......

http://www.quotehd.com/imagequotes/authors74/tmb/henri-matisse-quote-the-only-valid-thing-in-art-is-the-one-thing-that.jpg

[joeecho]

Creative conscious
Conscious creation
Puts everything in doubt

Life is a mystery
No matter how creative the explanation
Including this one, the one writing and that which is written.

http://image.slidesharecdn.com/lifeisamysterytobelived-130823205429-phpapp01/95/life-is-a-mystery-to-be-lived-2-638.jpg?cb=1377365505

[joeecho]

In my opinion, advanced science is catching up with spirituality. When science and spirituality meet in a singularity, there will be a realize that they were drawn to the same thing, the undeniable.

They may be led kicking and scratching but they are being drawn.

http://www.azquotes.com/picture-quotes/quote-what-quantum-physics-teaches-us-is-that-everything-we-thought-was-physical-is-not-physical-bruce-h-lipton-75-2-0223.jpg

But that is only half the story...........

[joeecho]

Science has so far yet to go, still, though yet so close.

http://orig14.deviantart.net/69a9/f/2006/329/1/a/so_close_but_yet_so_far_away_by_fairy2006.jpg

In the imagination one can almost taste it.

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[joeecho]

https://www.brainyquote.com/photos_tr/en/s/stephenhawking/447580/stephenhawking1.jpg

[Anjani]

I too believe that there will be a time that science will catch up with spirituality. Where Science can explain and make proof of what in the past we perceive as spirituality. That time is already started with what we know as the quantum science nowadays (quantum physics, quantum psychology, etc). And it won't be so far from today.

[greybeard]

I too believe that there will be a time that science will catch up with spirituality. Where Science can explain and make proof of what in the past we perceive as spirituality. That time is already started with what we know as the quantum science nowadays (quantum physics, quantum psychology, etc). And it won't be so far from today.

The challenge is that the various modalities--dont talk to each other --share findings.
Archeology and Geology included in this.
Pyramids (age of) being a classic example.
The bottom line is what you personally have found to be true--spiritually.

Chris

[joeecho]

From a 'center' perspective, spirituality and science are one but also from a 'center' perspective they appear separate.

http://www.canarianweekly.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/darts-website.jpg

[Anjani]

I too believe that there will be a time that science will catch up with spirituality. Where Science can explain and make proof of what in the past we perceive as spirituality. That time is already started with what we know as the quantum science nowadays (quantum physics, quantum psychology, etc). And it won't be so far from today.

The challenge is that the various modalities--dont talk to each other --share findings.
Archeology and Geology included in this.
Pyramids (age of) being a classic example.
The bottom line is what you personally have found to be true--spiritually.

Chris

I mostly agree with you, Chris. Talking about pyramids, there is one here in Indonesia that was assumed being older than Giza. The oldest that have been found yet. The government have been sending a team of archaeologist there to research, meanwhile I think they should send a physicist as well cos what they will find there most probably will be greater than what the archaeologist might find. But then again, they tend to share their findings to a very minimum anyway, so we might never know.

Anyway, I do believe that all findings and all things, creations and circumstances will leads us to spiritualy, through the values we hold dear, the minimum.

[joeecho]

Beyond science
Beyond spirituality.

What?

That is unheard-of.

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/B0fgo19IEAAT1xX.jpg

[greybeard]

And God said "Love my uncertainty"
He is speaking of Himself as Life.

Words of a Blackberry Smoke song.
"And what I wanted sure ain't what I got,now"

Chris

[joeecho]

One is one and because of that it is not.

Though I am blind, I am not what I see.


It's interesting that all that I see takes place within the darken world of the mind. The light in the mind's eyes is a formulation of electrons and not an actual light. The same goes for all formulations so it begs the question, what is external?

If the light internal is a representation of that external then it is not real but a copy.

What is external, one cannot discount the possibility it being another layer of the mind, possibly a storage of memories.

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[joeecho]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SnPedRxEIU

[joeecho]

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