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Eric J (Viking)
23rd October 2010, 10:19
Well its just around the corner folks...Obama has done his work and increased the debt beyond what we all could of imagined!!...Who will you vote for and why?...will they do a better job? Or not?

Or will it be the same old, same old... another puppet with you know who pulling the strings...

The collapse in inevitable.


http://www.fourwinds10.com/resources/uploads/image/Obama-work%20is%20done.jpg

PS could a Mod please fix the first word in the title!! Silly me should read "Who will you vote for then?

viking

ascendingstarseed
23rd October 2010, 11:49
I'm voting Democrat across the board...Obama walked in to a mess that no one could have fixed in two years, ESPECIALLY with all the obstructionism going on and lack of Bi-partisanship from the Republican party of NO. They voted down every single thing he tried to pass and were hell bent on destroying this country in hopes that Americans would have a short memory and blame it on him. And they were right. Obama wanted to pull out of Afghanistan at one point but the military industrial complex has their own agenda and refused to accommodate his wishes. Gates has worked against him in unison with top generals. He wanted a public option wit the health care bill but there was no way the Republicans would allow it and they muddied up, then watered down the whole damn bill until it was a piece of crap designed to hand over millions of people to the insurance companies. People blamed that on Obama.

Every good thing he tried to do was shot down in the Senate. Now the Repub's have pledged to eliminate Social Security, abolish minimum wage for their corporate masters, grant more tax cuts to the wealthiest 2%, allow even more off shoring of our jobs while paying corporations with our tax dollars to do so, corporations don't pay tax's and those policies will continue even when they are bankrupting this country, they'll eliminate social services like fire departments only people who can pay for those services will receive them and police departments will have to stop answering calls for many crimes...and the list goes on.

Even if I have to hold my nose I'll be voting Democrat. All the money Republicans and Teabaggers are receiving from transnational corporations seems to be rotting their brains, or maybe they never had two brain cells to rub together in the first place. Never seen so much bat crap insanity in my life now that all this corporate money has flooded into campaigns from undisclosed donors...conservative, right wing policies always favor corporations so that's where most of their money has gone. Into Repulican/Teabagger campaign coffers where gazillions has been spent lying and deceiving the public to the point where people are uber confused and mega misinformed on top of being angry and fed up. People are never rational when they're angry, so I'm worried about the outcome of this one Viking...and most people really have no idea what's really going on either, but they sure think they do.

And these are people who have been listening to the lies, hate and racism that spews from Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh, two insane sociopaths who won't be happy until rivers of blood run down the streets of America...people like my step mother who used to be a smart, well informed woman until she stated drinking the Beck koolaid. Now she's scared, confused, angry and totally clueless...like millions of others.

This time is different because Citizens United ruling allowed corporations to completely take over our elections in a unfettered way that will allow fascism to finish taking hold. With Democrats, at least they will work more to protect social programs, jobs and the infrastructure. The Republicans will tear it all down and sell it off to the highest bidder.

Beth
23rd October 2010, 15:11
Third party, libertarians and constitutionalists. I've also encouraged others to do so.

Fredkc
23rd October 2010, 15:18
Third party, libertarians and constitutionalists. I've also encouraged others to do so.
Same here!
Frankly anyone voting Democrat or Republican expecting anything different than status quo is delusional.
Two flavors of the same bankrupt thinking.

And I will vote/write in Ron Paul from President until one of us dies.
Freedom! Accept no substitute!

Dale
23rd October 2010, 15:30
Third party, libertarians and constitutionalists. I've also encouraged others to do so.

Same here, as well.

kcw_one
23rd October 2010, 19:17
It's interesting how Obama, or any president for that matter (yep, that includes George W) can be blamed for all of these things the way they always are. Any president is merely a figurehead. There is no real power in this position. It is all political theatre to lend some kind of legitimacy to the idea of democracy, which itself only serves to legitimize the organized crime that we call capitalism. To say that Obama is to blame for anything at this point is absurd. The real power is in the hands of those behind the scenes, those who or orchestrate events and conditions from corporate boardrooms and military installations. The attention paid to these things only adds power to them. Withdrawal of consent would be better.

Me, I don't vote anymore. As a Canadian I have an outsiders perspective of the state of things in the States that most Americans lack. I and many others up here got a little excited when that fella won the race, many of us with the politely unspoken thrill that it was someone other than another old white guy. It doesn't appear that much has changed though, but it wouldn't when one remembers that heads of state and government the world over hold no true power (which we wouldn't want anyhow -- think of Saddam or king of the house of saud). All of thus political wrangling and debating is rubbish anyhow. Don't look to government formthe change which is to come. They can't make it. Only we the people can do that. The most we can do is make our voices heard that we do not consent to what our governments have done in our name. The rest is a bunch of kaka.

A small stone dropped in the middle of the lake makes ripples that pass through the entire body of water, long after the ripples can no longer be seen. You cause ripples every day that effect the whole planet. Just keep doing that, and know that our ripples will soon combine into a tsunami which will engulf the world, making real change a reality.

Jonathon
23rd October 2010, 19:32
I'm going to write my own name on the ballot then make a punch hole next to it with my semi-sharp pencil.

Beth
23rd October 2010, 19:35
By the way, this isn't the year for the presidential race. Actually it's more important in that it's for state legislatures. Just wanted to point that out.

Harley
24th October 2010, 02:08
The Mods have it!

I won't get into any kind of political debate other than to support my belief that all politics, and politicians, should be abolished.

My motto is "Get The Politics Out Of Washington"!

It'll never happen though. Not in my lifetime anyway. What do you think would happen if EVERYONE checked NO on EACH AND EVERY BALLOT? Not much. But if that were to happen a lot of people might finally wake-up to the fact as to just how controlled we all really are!

Don't Forget. Your Vote Counts!!

Have a nice day!

DeBron
24th October 2010, 02:34
Who am I voting for? Michael Thurmond, Roy Barnes, Dan Barber, Georganna Sinkfield, Ken Hodges, Joe Martin, Mary Squires, Kevin Cherry, Darryl Hicks.

These are candidates in Georgia USA.

Will anyone else answer the question?

Beth
24th October 2010, 02:54
Who am I voting for? Michael Thurmond, Roy Barnes, Dan Barber, Georganna Sinkfield, Ken Hodges, Joe Martin, Mary Squires, Kevin Cherry, Darryl Hicks.

These are candidates in Georgia USA.

Will anyone else answer the question?

So we need answers to specific names for our posts to be legitimate?

Lost Soul
24th October 2010, 03:38
Voting for any major party is endorsing the agenda of our overlords. Both Demoncrats and Republicr*p are owned and operated by the big boys.

I cite NAFTA as an example. That was something that was bad for the American middle class as it would export production jobs out of the control. Republican George Bush tried to have it passed, but couldn't. It sails through under Democratic President Clinton.

Both major parties are traitorous to the nation. They serve the corporate and banking interests, not the interests of the American people.

DeBron
24th October 2010, 03:45
Of course not. I just find it interesting that when a question asking a "who" is answered abstractly. Maybe a symptom of perceived anonymity, or fear of reproach, or simply a different perception. Either way, I answered as I would, and others answered from what they felt was appropriate.

My following question was intended to evoke discussion about who we are voting for. It seemed that the discussion was leaning towards disappointment in previously elected persons. Because of that disappointment disdain and disbelief of the political process evolved. I find that outlook which I find prevalent in many other places saddening.

I do believe voting in of itself is not effective. However, constant involvement in the duties and decisions of elected officials is very effective. So effective that if a majority wants something, they get it.

But what majority gets what they want? The ones who are in their ear the most. It isnt how many people contact you, but how often you are contacted. With that idea, several people would be able to effectively get their unified point across with minimal effort(activist), or one paid person could get a collective's point across(lobbyist.)

I hope my response wasn't too lengthy. Oh I see you are in Michigan, I had a great time being snowed in there about four years ago. It is amazing how good people can make an inconvenient situation a joyous occasion.

Beth
24th October 2010, 03:50
Oh I see you are in Michigan, I had a great time being snowed in there about four years ago. It is amazing how good people can make an inconvenient situation a joyous occasion.

We aren't too bad, we drink a lot, that makes us enjoyable at times.

xbusymom
25th October 2010, 03:43
Of course not. I just find it interesting that when a question asking a "who" is answered abstractly. Maybe a symptom of perceived anonymity, or fear of reproach, or simply a different perception. Either way, I answered as I would, and others answered from what they felt was appropriate.

My following question was intended to evoke discussion about who we are voting for. It seemed that the discussion was leaning towards disappointment in previously elected persons. Because of that disappointment disdain and disbelief of the political process evolved. I find that outlook which I find prevalent in many other places saddening.

I do believe voting in of itself is not effective. However, constant involvement in the duties and decisions of elected officials is very effective. So effective that if a majority wants something, they get it.

But what majority gets what they want? The ones who are in their ear the most. It isnt how many people contact you, but how often you are contacted. With that idea, several people would be able to effectively get their unified point across with minimal effort(activist), or one paid person could get a collective's point across(lobbyist.)


exactly... the squeaky wheel... and how can they listen to you if you aren't even around to talk to them..?

since I just moved here, I don't know if they will let me scribble on their blackboard, guess I better get crackin' and find out who, what, where, when, and how much...

psmith
25th October 2010, 16:48
It is all a cruel joke.

I recently became a United States citizen, and at the ceremony they gave me a voter registration form. I filled it out and mailed it in. After a couple of weeks, I had my voter registration card. NOBODY asked me if I was really a United States citizen. Registering to vote seems to be based on the honor system.

If voting could change anything, it would be illegal.

Paul

conk
25th October 2010, 17:27
Third party or else you're voting for the lesser of two weasels.