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Thought it would be worthwhile to note in a new thread, that the US government has the ability to create dreams and inject them into people's sleep just like the movie Inception. So I just wanted to post fair warning for people to not let their dreams effect their decision making. Or better said(as some dreams may be useful) to analyze why such might be implanted into ones reality in terms of predictive programming and if there might be an agenda to the dream.
Here is some public domain technology showing we are getting closer to such a thing publicly:
http://www.mnn.com/green-tech/research-innovations/stories/scientists-learn-how-to-record-your-dreams-and-play-them
Pretty soon not even your dreams may be private anymore. Japanese scientists have learned how to interpret what you're dreaming about by measuring your brain activity while you sleep. This data can then be plugged into an algorithm that reconstructs your dream so that it can be played back for you when you're awake, according to the Smithsonian.
Shezbeth
5th July 2014, 03:45
This is an excellent point and a most actionable cautionary topic. I have witnessed numerous individuals make poor choices based on dreams or the feelings that result of dreams, even without identifying the possibility of manipulation; should one be in some way targeted, this can be far more precise and/or specific in the purpose or scope.
There are consistent cases of prophetic and/or premonitory dreams that can be useful, beneficial, illustrative, or otherwise conducive to an individual; equally possible are manipulated, induced, and/or contrived dreams instigated by controllers and/or non-humans. There is no harm in analyzing the content (literal or figurative/metaphorical) of a dream, but one should never base their decision making process solely on the impetus derived from dreams, and one could do far worse than to be aware of the potential for dream affectation.
yelik
5th July 2014, 11:30
Am I right in thinking that these radio wave type signals from say satellite can be targeted at an individual whilst in a building?
Am I right in thinking that these radio wave type signals from say satellite can be targeted at an individual whilst in a building?
Yes. They have done both mind control and telepathy to me while I was in a plane, and also about 1,000 feet under the earth. Granted, such might take more resources than they normally like to use(at least for the underneath earth one) as I theorize they can get through any physical aspect via interdimensional technology as other dimensions are virtually empty. So these modules I theorize will follow people around in another dimension and do things from there. And it makes total sense that when you move in one dimension, you are moving the same amount of space in other dimensions once you phase to those dimensions.
yelik
5th July 2014, 14:38
I’m not a physicist but the ability to transmit information that alters a person’s thoughts, understanding or perceptions is a very scary technology indeed especially if you are right about multi-dimensional control.
Man is not ready to handle this yet, especially when it is in the hands of the likes of the cabal and their NWO plans.
I’m thinking there may come a time they regret tampering with exotic technologies like this which could easily lead to some serious unintended consequences. If they can transmit the signal hopefully someone will find away to neutralise it or better still reflect it back to source
Yes, this is a deeply disturbing truth... I am noticing that many of the manipulative tactics that inter-dimensional beings have used, (Dream manipulation/Astral manipulation/direct thought (mind control)/ invasive muckity muck,,, etc,,,,,) is being mimicked by advanced 'technology', that is in the hands of Humans.
For several years now, I have been dealing with direct dream manipulation. (Not OBE, but dream-state augmentation.) I've been calling the 'dream bullies'.
They don't occur, unless I've been out of body. There is an obvious and DIRECT attempt to disconnect me from my ability to 'project', by manipulating the 'ingredients' that allow for a successful projection by confusing the 'dreaming mind'...
I have labeled certain states of being. There is the 'waking mind', the 'sleeping mind' and the 'dreaming mind'. All aspects of self, yet all separate while still embedded in the illusion... The dreaming mind thinks that it is the real you... You will see it as the 'dreamer',,, (or, just a dream) , Yet i believe it holds an identity for itself. It is in there dreaming,, even now. It has a basic awareness that something is off (same as the 'waking mind'),,, but it does not wake,,, (except in the case of lucid dreaming...)
The technology involved would have to be able to isolate brain patterns,,, Alpha/Beta/Theta,,, and 'open them up' to manipulation... It has long been my opinion that technology is not enough, and that they would need a 'sentient' to actually add the new imagery into the 'dream'. I could very well be wrong about that. I suppose a rogue 'program' could be running that would detect and manipulate certain people. But I suspect that it is much more sinister than that.
I am aware of a wide sweeping 'net' (of sorts), which alerts others that I am out of my body. But I have always assumed that it was of 'other worldly' origin.
Once detected,, there is an obvious effort to distract me, and 'lure' me back into the dreaming states, where Brain-Wave manipulation is better controlled. Once I am back into a dream-state,, THEN come the 'bullies'.. They take whatever form they need to. They beat me up, or grab my feet so that I can't fly,,, or they suggest to me something dreadful,, (followed by the inevitable dream scenario..) Anything that they can do to distract my mind from my ability to 'project'... It is like having someone 'whisper in your ear' whilst you are dreaming. It is manipulative and invasive... It has been going on like this for, at least, a couple of years.
The manipulated dream imagery is very strong!!! It stays with you long after you wake up. I have to sit and meditate after waking from a manipulated dream. It feels violating. It stays with me all day, if i do not make an attempt to clear my mind,,, (meditation)
It used to be that they would come to me directly, during an OBE... Ha! They don't want to do that anymore... :) In a dream, they have a much better chance to manipulate me, because i sometimes do not know it is a dream... The same reason that they are able to manipulate us in the physical world,,,, BECAUSE WE HAVE NOT YET REALIZED THAT IT IS A DREAM!!! Or very close,, mechanically speaking...
Becoming lucid in THIS dream,,,, now there's a game changer...
"The Sleeper Must Awaken!!" Duke Leto Atreites
Love to all
Jake.
Omniverse:
Very great topic. May I ask you a question since you know you have been a target of such dream tampering? If you will, are there any defining hints, clues, parameters, etc of these implanted dreams to help you discern whether they are your own or have been implanted? If not, will mastering lucid dreaming allow us to overcome or is it possible that they can override your own consciousness so strongly that being lucid will not matter?
Hi Guys,
My two cents worth on this topic, I have had experiences dark / evil entities that have induced a nightmare as a means of putting me in a negative state of mind which is favourable for their need to feed of that negative energy.
The event usually happens between 3am to 4am, the witching hour.
The associated nightmare is usually of someone close being badly hurt or killed in front of your eyes, for example it might be something like me walking my small dog only to have two rottweilers come out of no where and attacking and ripping my small dog apart in front of my eyes.
These negative beings look like a trench coated man with a 1950's style gentleman's hat it stands at either the foot of the bed or hovers above me or beside the bed. Also another type of entity comes in the shape of a kidney bean, each about a foot long, they tend to come in a group of about half a dozen they tend to hover at the corners of the ceiling coming threw windows or door ways, they move very quickly whilst the trench coated figure just stands there looking at you. Both types look like a dark shadow and are only in outline.
Also one type note sure which feed via a needle like fixture which they insert at the base of your neck into your spin.
They always trying to induce a nightmare and by doing this gain a food source from you.
Omniverse:
Very great topic. May I ask you a question since you know you have been a target of such dream tampering? If you will, are there any defining hints, clues, parameters, etc of these implanted dreams to help you discern whether they are your own or have been implanted? If not, will mastering lucid dreaming allow us to overcome or is it possible that they can override your own consciousness so strongly that being lucid will not matter?
As far as I'm aware they have full control of thoughts while in the dream. So realizing you are in a dream wouldn't have any hold on them being able to control one in a dream. I have been in a dream state virtual reality(what I coined for it, or DSVR) where I knew it was a dream and they were still able to control me, also, it was control that I knew I was in the dream..
yelik
5th July 2014, 16:18
It's clearly difficult for anyone to fully understand the effects it has on a person unless you've experienced it. Maybe people have and just don't know it, which is worse.
Which ever way I look at it I can see no good in trying to control or prevent human evolution and if Simon Parkes is right and they (reptilians) also capture our souls after death, wipe and recycle then how bizarre does this get.
The sad thing is our leaders including religious ones are quite capable of reading threads like this and would be shocked like anyone else. You would have thought there would be a counter movement to stop this sort of thing? Perhaps there is, Dragon Family, G77 and light illuminati who could easily seek the support of the masses by simply exposing them.
I looked into RV and atrial projection and it's seems this needs to be done properly and carefully.
Which ever way I look at it I can see no good in trying to control or prevent human evolution and if Simon Parkes is right and they (reptilians) also capture our souls after death, wipe and recycle then how bizarre does this get.
As far as I'm aware reptilians cannot capture a soul after it has passed from physicality, unless that being with their own free will gave them the agreement to. What do you mean by wipe and recycle?
Seems to me they can do virtual reality while the soul is not in the body as well... But I'm pretty sure only the most advanced races can do such(the ones who have discovered all science has to offer). I have been told I will be given an extremely wonderful afterlife by my guides. If you mean wipe the soul by reptilians, I do not think such is possible. Soul cannot be destroyed, and I believe the soul memory cannot be wiped. I could be wrong though, as with most of my beliefs/theories.
The manipulated dream imagery is very strong!!! It stays with you long after you wake up. I have to sit and meditate after waking from a manipulated dream. It feels violating. It stays with me all day, if i do not make an attempt to clear my mind,,, (meditation)
This has been the case with me too, though I have never had any out of body experiences (at least that I know of), no matter how hard I have tried. I think that those forces who invade my dreams from time to time (like the past few nights) don't want me to have any astral journeys. Sometimes like last night the dreams have been very distressing and it leaves my mind in a confused state unless I clear it and still it takes a lot to clear it sometimes. It certainly feels like a focused effort to keep me on my toes and those "buggers" are just really annoying. Sometimes I've actually seen their true forms in "sleep paralysis" form when I wake up in the dream world, they're dark, thin and really fast and clever. At least some of them are, they always shun when invoke the heavenly forces. Still, highly annoying. :mmph:
yelik
5th July 2014, 17:31
Which ever way I look at it I can see no good in trying to control or prevent human evolution and if Simon Parkes is right and they (reptilians) also capture our souls after death, wipe and recycle then how bizarre does this get.
As far as I'm aware reptilians cannot capture a soul after it has passed from physicality, unless that being with their own free will gave them the agreement to. What do you mean by wipe and recycle?
Seems to me they can do virtual reality while the soul is not in the body as well... But I'm pretty sure only the most advanced races can do such(the ones who have discovered all science has to offer). I have been told I will be given an extremely wonderful afterlife by my guides. If you mean wipe the soul by reptilians, I do not think such is possible. Soul cannot be destroyed, and I believe the soul memory cannot be wiped. I could be wrong though, as with most of my beliefs/theories.
According to Simon Parkes the reptilians, the dominant alien group, can capture the human soul after death due to the EM grid and erase the memory by 'bathing in an electo -magnet field' before reinserting into a new born. I also understand some humans are allowed to retain their memories. Past life flashes are a result of errors in the memory cleans.
Perhaps the mind control technology is a result of technology transfer from the reptiles
Sometimes I've actually seen their true forms in "sleep paralysis" form when I wake up in the dream world, they're dark, thin and really fast and clever. At least some of them are, they always shun when invoke the heavenly forces. Still, highly annoying. :mmph:
Wow!. Yes indeed... (btw, being awake during an episode of sleep paralysis,, shows a natural ability to remain awake and aware during deep sleep-trance... :)) Which, of course, is a key ingredient to OBE... The fact that you can describe them, shows that you have engaged another set of senses... !!! :)
My own experiences are similar. They are (in part) trying to keep us from exploring out-of-body states,, and/or states of mind that will lead us to embrace a bigger picture of consciousness...
They are, of course, also manipulating for other reasons,,, one of which is to feed directly from the emotional/energetic discharge!!!! :( (loosh)
Very clear similarities...
Jake.
Sidney
5th July 2014, 18:18
Omniverse, I would like to ask, is there something hopeful in this at all? Because it seems to me, we have indeed had our free will stripped from us. It is a very serious, and sinister situation that lies upon us at this time, and sometimes it feels like we do not have a chance in hell of escaping this. Thank you so much for outing all of this information.
Which ever way I look at it I can see no good in trying to control or prevent human evolution and if Simon Parkes is right and they (reptilians) also capture our souls after death, wipe and recycle then how bizarre does this get.
As far as I'm aware reptilians cannot capture a soul after it has passed from physicality, unless that being with their own free will gave them the agreement to. What do you mean by wipe and recycle?
Seems to me they can do virtual reality while the soul is not in the body as well... But I'm pretty sure only the most advanced races can do such(the ones who have discovered all science has to offer). I have been told I will be given an extremely wonderful afterlife by my guides. If you mean wipe the soul by reptilians, I do not think such is possible. Soul cannot be destroyed, and I believe the soul memory cannot be wiped. I could be wrong though, as with most of my beliefs/theories.
According to Simon Parkes the reptilians, the dominant alien group, can capture the human soul after death due to the EM grid and erase the memory by 'bathing in an electo -magnet field' before reinserting into a new born. I also understand some humans are allowed to retain their memories. Past life flashes are a result of errors in the memory cleans.
Perhaps the mind control technology is a result of technology transfer from the reptiles
If this is true I'm so up for this it's not funny. But I just do not believe it. All evidence to me points towards souls not being able to acutely remember details, but energetically carry certain threasholds of wisdom, and I can see it all over Avalon. If it was true, there would be no more old souls on earth. Also, they wouldn't need to do it in the afterlife either if it was true by my estimations. They could just do it to your soul while it's in the body. I would be careful of information from Simon if it was told to him by greys, mantids, or reptilians, as they are natural deceivers IMHO. I'm sure he has good information to share but things like destroying souls, or wiping their wisdom, I simply do not believe is the case. Also, maybe they can do it technologically, but I tend to believe exopolitical agreements would handcuff them to not be able to do it often if ever to a race like ours. Hopefully they do not do it to Simon as he may have entered contracts with his contacts...
I must say that some seem to be either new souls or have no wisdom whatsoever. But that may be clouded DNA, could be that Simon is right. Who knows.
Omniverse, I would like to ask, is there something hopeful in this at all? Because it seems to me, we have indeed had our free will stripped from us. It is a very serious, and sinister situation that lies upon us at this time, and sometimes it feels like we do not have a chance in hell of escaping this. Thank you so much for outing all of this information.
Once we develop mind control tech publicly and detection devices of such publicly, it will be something of the past for the most part I think. Until then (or global first contact) free will is something of a luxury to have in this day and age. In many cases it is the illusion of free will that is reality(usually in acute circumstances though). We are in a time window in a young planet's history where dark forces in human form run rampant and are having a great time of it(for example they can VR sex with anyone they want, with that persons real body). It's a time of soulless/heartless men running things for the time being(they do have souls they just don't use them). But there is hope. Humanity will overcome IMO. And eventually heaven on earth will be manifested collectively. We just have some growing pains to get through.
spizella
5th July 2014, 20:55
Thanks for all information.
I think that we will have a great change in 2 - 3 years.... Golden age
:-)
powessy
6th July 2014, 05:16
Sometimes I've actually seen their true forms in "sleep paralysis" form when I wake up in the dream world, they're dark, thin and really fast and clever. At least some of them are, they always shun when invoke the heavenly forces. Still, highly annoying. :mmph:
Wow!. Yes indeed... (btw, being awake during an episode of sleep paralysis,, shows a natural ability to remain awake and aware during deep sleep-trance... :)) Which, of course, is a key ingredient to OBE... The fact that you can describe them, shows that you have engaged another set of senses... !!! :)
My own experiences are similar. They are (in part) trying to keep us from exploring out-of-body states,, and/or states of mind that will lead us to embrace a bigger picture of consciousness...
They are, of course, also manipulating for other reasons,,, one of which is to feed directly from the emotional/energetic discharge!!!! :( (loosh)
Very clear similarities...
Jake.
Hello Jake
Forget about loosh this is not the reason for them being near you during obe in the way you have described it to me. There is a much bigger picture here that goes way beyond this. Loosh is only the emotions needed to experience this life, it is not energy they receive but energy that insures your ability to observe this life in your current form.
The reptilian brain is only for fight or flight it insures your preservation of life and serves this reason only. Without loosh we would not cry, love, show joy or laugh, become angry or sad. Without the reptilian brain we would not fight for life, stand up for ourselves or run in the presence of danger and would lose the will to live.
As for them they enter in through the dreams learning and experiencing without reincarnating they are feeding on our experiences. The thing is there is a slide of hand going on and they stand in our way of seeing this(they can not afford you seeing this). Through the dream state they can enter into any experience that you dream of or person within that dream experience. Example: if I was having a dream with one to infinity people in it, I could look into your dream and see who is who and go directly to them from your experience. An obe to them is like a big red flag this marks you and you will not be left alone after that.
I keep watching as they keep showing me.
The trick to obe is much simpler then I had once believed for he is able to pull me out whenever they want to show me something. I once thought it was me making this happen(obe) but now I am convinced I am not in control of this he is.
powessy
*Updated*
I will tell this one more thing.
The primary thing happening here is that we are doing most of this stuff to ourselves. The foods we eat and the environmental issues surrounding us is destroying our connection to this existence weakening or experience here.
I was told that we are connected here through what they call a cherry cord and this cord is what connects our soul to this experience.
As this cord is broken they can switch us out with others born in the veil(this was not supposed to happen for these births are not from Gaia) through the process of reincarnation, the dark skinny ones are the ones born there but the others are those that have been switched out for this purpose. There are other places in the veil, you will not see these places, they are where the chosen souls go to as an illusion to another earth experience.
There are the veil controllers(greys) that were supposed to be controlling this process(death,life and the experience) but there was something that got out of their hands or ability to control. The greys have tried to manipulate the veil and set things right but they are a proud race and decided not to ask for help. The problem got away from them after many years of trying to regain there authority over the veil. They found ways to manipulate their dna to allow them to be born to earth this level but this did them no good for they could be seen before they even had a chance, the dark ones were always one step ahead they have spent much time and effort to accomplish this.
yelik
6th July 2014, 09:56
Well, the lines between logic, reality and speculation in this near matrix world are blurry indeed
The Truth Is In There
6th July 2014, 10:11
As far as I'm aware reptilians cannot capture a soul after it has passed from physicality, unless that being with their own free will gave them the agreement to.
afaik after death and during sleep the system puts you in the astral level that matches your vibration. the 7th (lowest) is inside the earth, what you'd call hell, where the reptilians can and will do everything with the people/souls who end up there - torture, assf***, kill, everything they like. to these people this is as real as physical life, or more so, because the astral is the plane of emotions.
the 6th level is on the earths surface and quite similar to it, not yet a nice environment either. once you passed through all astral levels after physical death you're in the mental plane which is what has been called heaven. it also has 7 levels. after that come the buddhic, atmic etc.
the higher you get in vibration the higher you rise in these planes and once you're out of the astral you can't be reached anymore (by mediums or the like) except by advanced souls who are capable of consciously operating on the mental, causal (higher mental), buddhic planes etc.
it is a prison system allright but the people who end up in the lower astral levels are there because they deserve to be there, due to what they did in their physical lives that created their low vibration. it's not by choice but by design.
the reptilians want people to end up there and that's why they "tempt" them to do all sorts of evil things as well as instigating wars and so forth.
however, the system is no longer supposed to allow such a high level of cruelty, to be misused by these reptilian entities so that's what's going to change soon. at the same time the trapped souls will be allowed to leave but maybe the ones that still have extremely negative incarnations on the planet at this time will be dealt with in a different manner.
anyway, the way i understand it dreams are no different from other experiences in the astral except that most people are not conscious of what happens to them and hardly remember anything, or remember it correctly, anyway.
there's also the possibility to create a clone of you and transfer your consciousness into the clone during r.e.m. sleep. you think you dream, if you remember it at all, but it's actually a physical experience. that's what's done for sports by royals, politicians, other wealthy people, celebs, etc. donald marshall exposed all of that and much more.
Violet
6th July 2014, 10:35
The Truth is in there, some of that stuff sounds like Dante. Do you think he knew?
powessy
6th July 2014, 14:37
Hello TheTruthIsInThere
Have you ever meet a reptilian up close during obe, I'm not asking about astral experiences or dreams these images are only your minds interpretations of things or things they want you to believe. I have been in many places and have seen many types but not one reptilian ever. I have met the dark skinny ones and the regulars so to speak in the same plain in the same room but never any lizard shaped things and I have been doing this for over thirty years. We see many times what they want you to see and that is all you will ever see, they have demonstrated to me that they can change the appearance of anything to match our fears or likes depending on the strength of your mind(acceptance to the things not understood). I am unsure how to label the plains for I find this difficult to do, you must have had many experiences there to discern the variances between these plains and only during obe will that be possible.
The soul is connected through the higherself, and then through life here, it is not responsible for the actions you take here on earth it is only observing life and it's experience here so there is no hell you will go to. The thing many are missing is quieting the mind and trying to connect with your soul to make your journey in life here much more enjoyable and less spontaneous. We hear of many terrible events happening everyday but why are these things happening? who is to blame for them, the individual or the pressures of society or even illness, hormone dysfunction and a endless list of other things, how can you be judged for these things, what lesson will the soul get from hell.
let me then say it like this.
you will not be judged for your life here in this experience but once you die here you will regain your memories of who you are, it is here that you will have choices based on knowledge. Will you stay in the veil and help others(to guide) awaiting reincarnation or will you decide to linger(not reincarnate) and harm others. The experience here is not based on good deeds in past lifetimes it was supposed to be random, this is also one of the problems I have seen.
How do you judge a baby who has no memories of anything.
Sometimes I've actually seen their true forms in "sleep paralysis" form when I wake up in the dream world, they're dark, thin and really fast and clever. At least some of them are, they always shun when invoke the heavenly forces. Still, highly annoying. :mmph:
Wow!. Yes indeed... (btw, being awake during an episode of sleep paralysis,, shows a natural ability to remain awake and aware during deep sleep-trance... :)) Which, of course, is a key ingredient to OBE... The fact that you can describe them, shows that you have engaged another set of senses... !!! :)
My own experiences are similar. They are (in part) trying to keep us from exploring out-of-body states,, and/or states of mind that will lead us to embrace a bigger picture of consciousness...
They are, of course, also manipulating for other reasons,,, one of which is to feed directly from the emotional/energetic discharge!!!! :( (loosh)
Very clear similarities...
Jake.
Hello Jake
Forget about loosh this is not the reason for them being near you during obe in the way you have described it to me. There is a much bigger picture here that goes way beyond this. Loosh is only the emotions needed to experience this life, it is not energy they receive but energy that insures your ability to observe this life in your current form.
The reptilian brain is only for fight or flight it insures your preservation of life and serves this reason only. Without loosh we would not cry, love, show joy or laugh, become angry or sad. Without the reptilian brain we would not fight for life, stand up for ourselves or run in the presence of danger and would lose the will to live.
As for them they enter in through the dreams learning and experiencing without reincarnating they are feeding on our experiences. The thing is there is a slide of hand going on and they stand in our way of seeing this(they can not afford you seeing this). Through the dream state they can enter into any experience that you dream of or person within that dream experience. Example: if I was having a dream with one to infinity people in it, I could look into your dream and see who is who and go directly to them from your experience. An obe to them is like a big red flag this marks you and you will not be left alone after that.
I keep watching as they keep showing me.
The trick to obe is much simpler then I had once believed for he is able to pull me out whenever they want to show me something. I once thought it was me making this happen(obe) but now I am convinced I am not in control of this he is.
powessy
*Updated*
I will tell this one more thing.
The primary thing happening here is that we are doing most of this stuff to ourselves. The foods we eat and the environmental issues surrounding us is destroying our connection to this existence weakening or experience here.
I was told that we are connected here through what they call a cherry cord and this cord is what connects our soul to this experience.
As this cord is broken they can switch us out with others born in the veil(this was not supposed to happen for these births are not from Gaia) through the process of reincarnation, the dark skinny ones are the ones born there but the others are those that have been switched out for this purpose. There are other places in the veil, you will not see these places, they are where the chosen souls go to as an illusion to another earth experience.
There are the veil controllers(greys) that were supposed to be controlling this process(death,life and the experience) but there was something that got out of their hands or ability to control. The greys have tried to manipulate the veil and set things right but they are a proud race and decided not to ask for help. The problem got away from them after many years of trying to regain there authority over the veil. They found ways to manipulate their dna to allow them to be born to earth this level but this did them no good for they could be seen before they even had a chance, the dark ones were always one step ahead they have spent much time and effort to accomplish this.
Powessy,, I can't disagree with anything you've said. Loosh is just a word i use, for lack of a better word. The word comes from Robert Monroe, A western pioneer of OBE.. It is how he describes the very same thing... It translates in many ways... IMHO..
I agree with you, absolutely, regarding the 'OBE' red flags. They do not want us out there. That is the truth. Part of my problem explaining what is happening is that there are more than one 'group' operating in the same 'space'... Add a 'thought responsive' environment, and it is a recipe for deception... IMHO..
I also agree with you, in that we do it to ourselves... Good onya!!! I made a mistake, just the other day (while out of body) I asked to see and speak with 'V' (Once, I had a very cool experience with a version of HS that appeared to me as an old chinese fellow named 'V'....)
This time, was not the same. I know better than to demand/ask questions that are not completely thought out. Ask and you shall receive... (In the past, I have done this, and it was fine,,, very clear and amazing communion with higher self abstract...)
This time, as soon as I asked for it 'by name',, it showed up. It was moving around the room, very fast. I could not focus on it,,, as it would move again, and make everything blurry when it moved. I kept trying to 'see' it by clearing my focus... every time that i did, it would move again, so i gave up trying to 'see' it. I quieted my mind and just listened... Things calmed, and i could sense that there were 3 of them. One in the middle,,, and two others that were subservient to the one in the middle, but they were laughing and responding to the one doing the talking.
I heard a low growly voice say,,, "My master tells me that you are looking for me!!"
I was shocked!! I was expecting a similar experience to the one I had before...
I could feel the familiar menacing signature that these ****ers carry... I knew right away that i had made a mistake. I pushed back the fear,,, deep into my stomach area... I was able to pull myself together... (literally)...
I said to it.... "Are you 'V'?" (again,,, i know better than to ask random, stupid questions,,, but i DID..) There was some interference, and it didn't 'hear' me very good. It asked me "What?" I repeated. Are you 'V'"? I could feel the menacing violent overtones from its vile presence... (Beetlejuice Beetlejuice Beetlejuice!!!!!!)
It said "Well, no!!" I felt the weight of this situation getting very much more heavy... It was laughing now,, and so were the other two. I sensed that it was time to get going... I said to it.. "Well, sorry to bother you.." (I had already began thinking of a safe way out of this..) With that,,, It (they) began chasing me... Once i was being chased,,,, (fight or flight) I found myself in a familiar groggy/thick dream-state. Along with dream-state bullies. And they were with me the rest of the night,,, and the next night too...
I know better than to be so cavalier. This was a 3d projection that did not filter/phase into a more astral environment... Which tells me that the whole thing was being manipulated... Once I began asking dumb questions, i gave them the green light to exploit my ignorance. This was my own fault...
I don't normally use 'words' and 'speaking' while out of body. This was strange, almost like I was being laughed at... (There is no need for words in the astral... unless you simply WANT to use them.)
I don't have intimate knowledge regarding the greys and their experimentation of the physical life/death process... but you touched on something that intrigues me... So Human DNA has been manipulated in a way that allows for incarnation of an alien grey,, into an earth-human body?? Did you ever stop and wonder which one you were?? ;) I have always said,,, a front row seat to the EARTH/HUMAN show,, is not in a space ship... But it is in becoming incarnated in a human body!!! :) I am over it!!! I don't believe a SOUL is HUMAN... Not at all. The human gnome goes back about 200,000 years... A soul is infinite.... Which means that (with the exception of a few,,) NO soul is HUMAN... And genetic manipulation and control of a lesser species must be done by a PHYSICAL group of ETs,,, that also have the NON-PHYSICAL aspects of existence, MASTERED... (Body-jumping/Astral projecting ET's!!!) Who do NOT like the Astral world being explored by HUMANS.... (djinn)
I did not relate this story to be ridiculed and scorned for improper behavior while out of body. I am an experiencer, and I am also an 'explorer'... In fact,,, I waited a couple of days before i decided to post it.. It is right in line with this topic. I have opened myself up, a bit here. I request that folks be nice with their criticism.
Jake.
Omniverse,, So, by now you've heard me go on and on about OBEs and consciousness,,, blah blah blah..;) I've been meaning to ask you about the types of mind control/manipulation that you've recognized, with specific regards dreams and/or OBEs. I find it fascinating that you brought it up...
Other than dream-state manipulation,, what other type of non-physical manipulations are you aware of? Meaning,,, Do you have OBE's? (realizing that there are very many different types of experiences that fall into this catagory..) You seem to have very physical experiences with nuts and bolts physicality. Dreams are an example of a non-physical environment. OBE's and the Astral are too. Some descriptions of sojourning to other PHYSICAL dimensions can fall into this catagory a bit too. What type of non-physical experiences have been 'thrown at you' by these 'strange-doers'??? There must be some... and forgive me if you've already covered it somewhere,,, i'd love to know a bit about your opinions regarding the astral, and astral manipulation. My experiences have been mostly of the non-physical nature...
Jake.
powessy
6th July 2014, 18:17
Hello Jake
I want to touch on a couple things you have talked about in post #23. I have never been chased or threatened in any way by anything in the veil that I did not ask for. When I was younger and more naive I found them around me always but they were never trying to do anything to me or change anything just observing me. I have seen my soul and I am not from here, I came to observe till now. You are right there are many groups all with agendas of there own but this is due to the improper use of the veil by these parties. The grays are the cops and they took it upon themselves to monitor and maintain the levels to insure your experience. Those who obe and astral project were to receive messages and experiences that would help in the over all experience and evolution of the planet. There was one that was sent here to see over everything along with the twelve. He chose a different path due to the lack of information carried between here and source. The greys took it on there own to fill his shoes in his absence so to speak but were not equipped to handle this situation(experience) of planet earth.
Yes the greys did change dna but not here on earth but within the veil( I can explain this in more detail if you like.) The greys did not want to contact source ether due to their pride and the fact they would have to explain their reason for being here. There is much here I am still learning but this is close. Everyone wants to blame the greys for physical things happening here on earth but they control the veil and there are many other races that do however visit earth that are responsible for many things also not just the greys. The greys are here all the time so this is why we see them more then others it is our inability to understand this that creates these fears towards this one group.
The soul is not eternal there is a starting point of all souls, a birthday so to speak and then the longevity of that soul is there after eternal, there is also soul death which is the main reason so many are here right now. Jake there are others around you all the time right now don't call anything to you and just observe they may show themselves to you they are capturing them that are coming to you. Just ask your higher self to show you what he can, tell him you want to see clearly.
The fact your obe shifted to dream is they touched you and changed this experience. Don't be afraid of them stand your ground tell them they have no power over you and if you remember, speak my name, powessy I will find you and remove them.
Omniverse,, So, by now you've heard me go on and on about OBEs and consciousness,,, blah blah blah..;) I've been meaning to ask you about the types of mind control/manipulation that you've recognized, with specific regards dreams and/or OBEs. I find it fascinating that you brought it up...
Other than dream-state manipulation,, what other type of non-physical manipulations are you aware of? Meaning,,, Do you have OBE's? (realizing that there are very many different types of experiences that fall into this catagory..) You seem to have very physical experiences with nuts and bolts physicality. Dreams are an example of a non-physical environment. OBE's and the Astral are too. Some descriptions of sojourning to other PHYSICAL dimensions can fall into this catagory a bit too. What type of non-physical experiences have been 'thrown at you' by these 'strange-doers'??? There must be some... and forgive me if you've already covered it somewhere,,, i'd love to know a bit about your opinions regarding the astral, and astral manipulation. My experiences have been mostly of the non-physical nature...
Jake.
My original theory is that OBE's and astral are obtained via advanced technology and the rules of such places were debated and agreed upon via exopolitics, as well as people chosen for such by decisions by ETs and maybe humans. Such hasn't been debunked to me quite yet. Could be totally wrong as it's just an idea I find the most credible to me at the moment. As for my experiences I only remember a couple where I felt like it was an OBE, and one was the torture I spoke about where I was getting hit with fear energy so hard that it literally was an excruciating pain. I was just a small basketball sized ball of consciousness in one of them, I could identify an extremely 'grey' energy along with my torture. I know I had a second one but I don't remember it right now. Very possible OBE's are our soul going out of our body. But I hold the idea that our souls do not actually leave our bodies during this, but it is being altered in an extra-dimensional way.
Shezbeth
6th July 2014, 22:41
In my astral experiences I always find myself opposed by one or more entities, but I attribute that to my want to go places I'm 'not supposed' to go and/or do things I'm 'not supposed' to do (or be able to do ^_~). I have never bothered to categorize or classify energy types or consistencies, but in retrospect I can say that the opposing entities had a very 'dirty' or 'cloudy' appearance. Likewise, the entities which I frequently have a positive and/or beneficial experience with tend to have a more lightened or 'clean' energy pattern/appearance.
In said 'places' there are always those who are willing to help alongside those willing to oppose, almost like employees or operators of different aspects of a 'department'. The one consistency in all my dreams (astral or otherwise) is that no matter the opponents aligned against me, it has always been within my power (sometimes easily and sometimes through great effort and ingenuity) to defeat and/or reject their opposition; in some cases this has resulted in the (apparent) termination of the opposition, in other cases escape from, though most frequently is through resistant deterrence and assertion of consequence. Whether in body or out of body I have found that there are three forces that can be applied to a situation: the force of intent, the force of reason, and the force of polarity; application of one, two, or sometimes all three has never failed me.
Omniverse,, So, by now you've heard me go on and on about OBEs and consciousness,,, blah blah blah..;) I've been meaning to ask you about the types of mind control/manipulation that you've recognized, with specific regards dreams and/or OBEs. I find it fascinating that you brought it up...
Other than dream-state manipulation,, what other type of non-physical manipulations are you aware of? Meaning,,, Do you have OBE's? (realizing that there are very many different types of experiences that fall into this catagory..) You seem to have very physical experiences with nuts and bolts physicality. Dreams are an example of a non-physical environment. OBE's and the Astral are too. Some descriptions of sojourning to other PHYSICAL dimensions can fall into this catagory a bit too. What type of non-physical experiences have been 'thrown at you' by these 'strange-doers'??? There must be some... and forgive me if you've already covered it somewhere,,, i'd love to know a bit about your opinions regarding the astral, and astral manipulation. My experiences have been mostly of the non-physical nature...
Jake.
My original theory is that OBE's and astral are obtained via advanced technology and the rules of such places were debated and agreed upon via exopolitics, as well as people chosen for such by decisions by ETs and maybe humans. Such hasn't been debunked to me quite yet. Could be totally wrong as it's just an idea I find the most credible to me at the moment. As for my experiences I only remember a couple where I felt like it was an OBE, and one was the torture I spoke about where I was getting hit with fear energy so hard that it literally was an excruciating pain. I was just a small basketball sized ball of consciousness in one of them, I could identify an extremely 'grey' energy along with my torture. I know I had a second one but I don't remember it right now. Very possible OBE's are our soul going out of our body. But I hold the idea that our souls do not actually leave our bodies during this, but it is being altered in an extra-dimensional way.
To expound upon this I theorize others are connected into the 'intranet' of souls via these methods. So by technology I'm not saying people who have such experiences are necessarily alone. I believe it's a favorite thing to do for some entities up there to interact with people who are far below them at least in terms of technology, whether that technology be via physical scientific means, or soulular(which I'm iffy about)... I know I'd find it fun too :) Both sides would be involved.
Just like dreams, it is a method used to manipulate people into believing falsities or manipulate them to do actions in life. But as with transhumanism, and many things there is balance. So it's not just a bad thing. I'll explain on of my most profound experiences when I get some time... Most profound in a VR(Virtual Reality).
Sloppyjoe
6th July 2014, 22:47
I wouldn't worry about it too much. If you are more in line with love than hate you will not have to worry about such things. When it comes to dreams, and practically everything else in life I really only pay attention to the messages with true intent, not the one's with fear and hatred.
I wouldn't worry about it too much. If you are more in line with love than hate you will not have to worry about such things. When it comes to dreams, and practically everything else in life I really only pay attention to the messages with true intent, not the one's with fear and hatred.
It is good to be aware of their abilities. There are tons of ways they love to control people that fall within the lines of parameters you give. But you do have good points as well.
Those interdimensional dumbasses have been bothering me enough during the past few years. That is totally against the laws of free will, even though they don't care... But they'll get a taste of their own medicine soon.
Especially during the past few nights I've been battling them and they're clever. Sometimes they like to lift up my astral body do something to it. Only rarely I get to be aware enough to realize that I am in a trance and then their control over me stops when I call in the cavalry, then it always goes blank or I wake up sweaty.
Jake, what you say about the loosh is interesting. I know of Robert Monroe and I'm about to read his book Ultimate Journey soon. It would be nice to have some kind of a counter measure for the dream bullies.
It seems that they are like a plague on third density planets like on our planet, because beings of higher consciousness seem to be mosty immune to their control techniques which are being based on the low vibration of fear. On the other hand they can't stand the vibration of uncoditional love which some humans tend to emit. Most benevolent forces in this universe are full of that universal love.
Those interdimensional dumbasses have been bothering me enough during the past few years. That is totally against the laws of free will, even though they don't care... But they'll get a taste of their own medicine soon.
Especially during the past few nights I've been battling them and they're clever. Sometimes they like to lift up my astral body do something to it. Only rarely I get to be aware enough to realize that I am in a trance and then their control over me stops when I call in the cavalry, then it always goes blank or I wake up sweaty.
Jake, what you say about the loosh is interesting. I know of Robert Monroe and I'm about to read his book Ultimate Journey soon. It would be nice to have some kind of a counter measure for the dream bullies.
It seems that they are like a plague on third density planets like on our planet, because beings of higher consciousness seem to be mosty immune to their control techniques which are being based on the low vibration of fear. On the other hand they can't stand the vibration of uncoditional love which some humans tend to emit. Most benevolent forces in this universe are full of that universal love.
Good post and thank you for sharing. In my experiences they can filter out feeling your love via technology. So they have a choice to feel it or not. I agree some can't stand it. They probably have no more interest to interact if you give them love.
Another note: they can put people in a trance-like state very easily via technology. I believe this will be exposed in public technology soon, possibly already...
powessy
7th July 2014, 03:36
Those interdimensional dumbasses have been bothering me enough during the past few years. That is totally against the laws of free will, even though they don't care... But they'll get a taste of their own medicine soon.
Especially during the past few nights I've been battling them and they're clever. Sometimes they like to lift up my astral body do something to it. Only rarely I get to be aware enough to realize that I am in a trance and then their control over me stops when I call in the cavalry, then it always goes blank or I wake up sweaty.
Jake, what you say about the loosh is interesting. I know of Robert Monroe and I'm about to read his book Ultimate Journey soon. It would be nice to have some kind of a counter measure for the dream bullies.
It seems that they are like a plague on third density planets like on our planet, because beings of higher consciousness seem to be mosty immune to their control techniques which are being based on the low vibration of fear. On the other hand they can't stand the vibration of uncoditional love which some humans tend to emit. Most benevolent forces in this universe are full of that universal love.
Hello wind
You say you call in the cavalry, who are the cavalry you call? I have never been bullied only misunderstood the situation, not seeing clearly. I do not fear these things and they stay far away from me except when he is showing me what they are doing.
When you call out it is the fear that they will be caught doing this to you this is the reason they scram. I am searching vigorously for them I am sorry you are bothered by them please tell me if this continues to happen I think I have the problem fixed now but it may take time to fix this completely. Also tell me if the experiences stop all together I can then explain this to you also.
many of you are talking of them sucking on fear this is not true, it is only the interpretation of the higherself warning you to get away or defend yourself these things go hand and hand(Fear/Them) They used to show me these things as spiders something I feared a lot, some fear the dark man with the hats MIB, some fear reptilians, do you see where I am going with this it is your higher self doing this. When you stop being afraid your higherself will then show you their true identity and you will see clearly.
This is your experience and the higher self does not want you to be afraid but is there to warn you of this stuff also.
It is simple to figure this out, stop being afraid and the dreams of fear will stop.
Shezbeth
7th July 2014, 04:28
That is totally against the laws of free will, even though they don't care
Useful post, but this is the part I would touch on.
Oppositional forces - in my experience - care neither for the 'letter' of the law nor the 'spirit'. At most, a cursory attempt is made to appear to operate within the confines of the exopolitical agreements mentioned previously/elsewhere. IMO/E this is at best lip service and/or semantic games to enable a vastly encroaching degree of interference and distraction; and those only because of an increasing differentiation. While I appreciate that dealing with interference results in an increased ability to discern and mediate interference (in an emergent individual), such are not necessarily requisite aspects of the experience and are not necessarily part of the equation.
Oh the day when I may put down the rod, the sword, and the chain.
Hello wind
You say you call in the cavalry, who are the cavalry you call? I have never been bullied only misunderstood the situation, not seeing clearly. I do not fear these things and they stay far away from me except when he is showing me what they are doing.
When you call out it is the fear that they will be caught doing this to you this is the reason they scram. I am searching vigorously for them I am sorry you are bothered by them please tell me if this continues to happen I think I have the problem fixed now but it may take time to fix this completely. Also tell me if the experiences stop all together I can then explain this to you also. It is simple to figure this out, stop being afraid and the dreams of fear will stop.
Hi powessy,
By cavalry I mean guardian beings or archangels. I used to be afraid of those dark ones, these days I'm mostly annoyed by them because they might not bother me for weeks and then they come back to mess with my dreams again. What do you mean when you say that you have fixed the problem?
Oppositional forces - in my experience - care neither for the 'letter' of the law nor the 'spirit'. At most, a cursory attempt is made to appear to operate within the confines of the exopolitical agreements mentioned previously/elsewhere.
Well yes, that is my experience too. I don't think that I have ever made any agreements with dark powers, at least not consciously. It seems that they certainly don't care about any rules and they bend them to their will. On the other hand the forces of good must obey the rules of free will (http://www.lawofone.info/results.php?s=16#1) and that in my mind tip the odds in favour of the negative ones, at least to a certain degree.
powessy
7th July 2014, 05:48
Hi powessy,
By cavalry I mean guardian beings or archangels. I used to be afraid of those dark ones, these days I'm mostly annoyed by them because they might not bother me for weeks and then they come back to mess with my dreams again. What do you mean when you say that you have fixed the problem?
Hello Wind
I do not expect anyone to believe what I am going to say but I will say it anyway. I have been trying to find ways to attract them(the dark ones) to me there are also many groups behind the veil helping me to remove this problem. This web site is unique in the fact it brings around people like me and you to discuss our experiences mainly obe/astral projection in these treads, I monitor them very close for the stories like the ones told here. They do not only see you during sleep time but also during awake time they are around you or very close all the time if they are aware of the fact you have these experiences. I learned that months ago as I would write on threads here and soon after I would feel them come to me, I can literally feel it when someone would respond to or read his name. This conversation is a door to them and a door also for me. It would be very difficult to explain this feeling but none the less it is there, just as I could feel you writing your response to me. There are fewer of them around the veil now and more of those here to help so these lines or door ways can be better monitored for finding them.
As for fixing the problem this is also a very complicated issue. Think of it like this this, what I am going to say is not correct but very close and only an example. lets say gaia has all the souls in her currently on earth each of these souls are then connected to the higherself experiencing this here on earth. I have recently(a week ago) remembered how to speak to them, through him. When I close my eyes I see these ribbons of words scrolling through this space all full of letters. I used to try and read the letters but they made no sense, random and out of order till recently, now I can see that each letter represents a conversation one at that moment it passes by. These conversations are in the millions all coming through this place, he says I will remember how to read them all, soon, but he wants me to try and learn this and work with it to find my own ways.
I have found that he does not wish for me to lose my experience here and allows me to figure things out at my own pace. Anyway, I think I can talk to all of them at once and I think I have found a solution but I will find out in time.
Time = Truth
Hello Wind
I do not expect anyone to believe what I am going to say but I will say it anyway. I have been trying to find ways to attract them(the dark ones) to me there are also many groups behind the veil helping me to remove this problem.
Well that is very admirable, but personally I would not like to attract that kind of attention consciously so I hope that you know what you're doing. I hope you have enough assistance.
They do not only see you during sleep time but also during awake time they are around you or very close all the time if they are aware of the fact you have these experiences.
Yes, I'm aware when they're around, which can sometimes be quite often. I'm not always sure what attracts them, but there is some kind of a trigger. Maybe it's just spiritual progress which acts as the magnet. I also know when benevolent forces come to me.
The more bright your light shines, the more you seem to attract all kinds of bugs. Quite ironic... But I guess it's part of the test.
I have found that he does not wish for me to lose my experience here and allows me to figure things out at my own pace. Anyway, I think I can talk to all of them at once and I think I have found a solution but I will find out in time.
Certainly sounds interesting, I hope that you do find some kind of a solution.
Hello Wind
I do not expect anyone to believe what I am going to say but I will say it anyway. I have been trying to find ways to attract them(the dark ones) to me there are also many groups behind the veil helping me to remove this problem.
Well that is very admirable, but personally I would not like to attract that kind of attention consciously so I hope that you know what you're doing. I hope you have enough assistance.
They do not only see you during sleep time but also during awake time they are around you or very close all the time if they are aware of the fact you have these experiences.
Yes, I'm aware when they're around, which can sometimes be quite often. I'm not always sure what attracts them, but there is some kind of a trigger. Maybe it's just spiritual progress which acts as the magnet. I also know when benevolent forces come to me.
The more bright your light shines, the more you seem to attract all kinds of bugs. Quite ironic... But I guess it's part of the test.
I have found that he does not wish for me to lose my experience here and allows me to figure things out at my own pace. Anyway, I think I can talk to all of them at once and I think I have found a solution but I will find out in time.
Certainly sounds interesting, I hope that you do find some kind of a solution.
Thought quality attracts the negative ones like a magnet. Because you are the 'enemy' of their systems of control(what they like to do),...
The Truth Is In There
7th July 2014, 09:24
Hello TheTruthIsInThere
Have you ever meet a reptilian up close during obe, I'm not asking about astral experiences or dreams these images are only your minds interpretations of things or things they want you to believe. I have been in many places and have seen many types but not one reptilian ever. I have met the dark skinny ones and the regulars so to speak in the same plain in the same room but never any lizard shaped things and I have been doing this for over thirty years. We see many times what they want you to see and that is all you will ever see, they have demonstrated to me that they can change the appearance of anything to match our fears or likes depending on the strength of your mind(acceptance to the things not understood). I am unsure how to label the plains for I find this difficult to do, you must have had many experiences there to discern the variances between these plains and only during obe will that be possible.
The soul is connected through the higherself, and then through life here, it is not responsible for the actions you take here on earth it is only observing life and it's experience here so there is no hell you will go to. The thing many are missing is quieting the mind and trying to connect with your soul to make your journey in life here much more enjoyable and less spontaneous. We hear of many terrible events happening everyday but why are these things happening? who is to blame for them, the individual or the pressures of society or even illness, hormone dysfunction and a endless list of other things, how can you be judged for these things, what lesson will the soul get from hell.
let me then say it like this.
you will not be judged for your life here in this experience but once you die here you will regain your memories of who you are, it is here that you will have choices based on knowledge. Will you stay in the veil and help others(to guide) awaiting reincarnation or will you decide to linger(not reincarnate) and harm others. The experience here is not based on good deeds in past lifetimes it was supposed to be random, this is also one of the problems I have seen.
How do you judge a baby who has no memories of anything.
my guess is that you'll never experience anything that happens in the lower astral planes if your vibration is higher. if you're not tuned in to that bandwidth you won't become aware of it.
apparently the reptilians both in physical and non-physical form have a very low vibration so you won't find them in higher levels and are quite safe from them unless you turn into a negative person on the physical plane.
it is correct that you create things through your fears but these entities are real and not created by you or others, just like you didn't create the ones on the physical plane.
it is also correct that you're not judged. however, the system is designed so that after physical death you end up on the astral level that matches your vibration, and the lower astral levels and the physical have been infested with reptilians since a long time.
there's also the thing called "desire elemental" which restructures your astral body after death so the coarse astral matter is outside, not distributed throughout your astral body, hence you may end up in a lower plane after "death" than you normally experience during sleep.
when the desire elemental parts from you and moves down the planes to become part of the physical mineral plane you move upwards, the coarse astral matter having been removed, and eventually reach the mental plane which is above the astral. at that point all emotional attachments have been removed and the soul/higher self is able to assemble the experience from this life.
the time it takes for souls to pass through the astral after "death" is vastly different, depending on the development/vibration of the soul. people who experienced physical life very much through their emotions and less through the mind will spend more time in the astral, the mentally-oriented ones less and are thus able to reincarnate sooner/more often (if they want to).
anyway, the system is rigged, because it allows for a lot more trauma and terror by the reptilians than is good for normal soul growth so that's what has to be corrected, and will be soon, presumably.
please watch the following interview to get a glimpse of what's happening on the lower astral. maybe you can tune into it although i have no idea why anybody would want to. the video very informative and i think you'll find that she's very credible and a positive soul.
as regards the change that's coming and "planet x", i believe that is correct as well, even though it has been debunked numerous times. people focus only on the physical which usually is a mistake, maybe especially in this case.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYfyI0CZX5A
apparently the reptilians both in physical and non-physical form have a very low vibration so you won't find them in higher levels and are quite safe from them unless you turn into a negative person on the physical plane.
Doesn't matter what your vibration is in my experiences... they have done an OBE torture when i was a kid I just remembered. I was enlightened as a kid in general and very high vibration. Still got the torture. At least those are my experiences...
powessy
7th July 2014, 15:16
Hello Wind
I do not expect anyone to believe what I am going to say but I will say it anyway. I have been trying to find ways to attract them(the dark ones) to me there are also many groups behind the veil helping me to remove this problem.
Well that is very admirable, but personally I would not like to attract that kind of attention consciously so I hope that you know what you're doing. I hope you have enough assistance.
They do not only see you during sleep time but also during awake time they are around you or very close all the time if they are aware of the fact you have these experiences.
Yes, I'm aware when they're around, which can sometimes be quite often. I'm not always sure what attracts them, but there is some kind of a trigger. Maybe it's just spiritual progress which acts as the magnet. I also know when benevolent forces come to me.
The more bright your light shines, the more you seem to attract all kinds of bugs. Quite ironic... But I guess it's part of the test.
I have found that he does not wish for me to lose my experience here and allows me to figure things out at my own pace. Anyway, I think I can talk to all of them at once and I think I have found a solution but I will find out in time.
Certainly sounds interesting, I hope that you do find some kind of a solution.
Hello Wind
I have been doing this for along time now, if they were a problem I would have stopped but thinks for your words of concern, and yes many of you are helping but are just unaware of it.
I once was afraid when they were around but now I don't feel anything at all other then intrigue by them, if they stick around.
I only wish someone else could feel and see what I have seen then perhaps I would not feel so alone with this here on this plain.
I once was afraid when they were around but now I don't feel anything at all other then intrigue by them, if they stick around.
I totally agree I feel the same way. Except I would alter my point of view to:
'I used to hate them and call them evil, now I'm just more intrigued'.
I must also note that it seems a lot of the 'new age*' type movement people are the ones targeted for astral and OBE experiences mostly.
This also suggests that it is done via technology... It is also done to wake people up at times as well(seen it on other forums where there is a dream section in research 'alien-ufos.com'). So we wouldn't know why each case is targeted for it under that logic...
*whether it's the US gov fabricated new age(Archangel Michael but rejection of christianity in a big way for example) or the organic one they predicted or were told about they are manipulating from as a basis(reincarnation- chakras, spirituality etc)...
powessy
7th July 2014, 15:42
my guess is that you'll never experience anything that happens in the lower astral planes if your vibration is higher. if you're not tuned in to that bandwidth you won't become aware of it.
I once thought vibration dictated the plain you ended up on but this is partly correct. Each of the plains are similar to here but they differ in there own ways. The plains do not represent heaven or hell or the astral they are just plains with different experiences and events that have shaped them. I have been to several of the plains perhaps all of them and have see many things, he has dictated the route. When you die you will be born here again but will spend a time behind the veil it is like the cartilage between bones you will not go to these other worlds. All you see during obe is the veil between this world and the next.
apparently the reptilians both in physical and non-physical form have a very low vibration so you won't find them in higher levels and are quite safe from them unless you turn into a negative person on the physical plane.
it is correct that you create things through your fears but these entities are real and not created by you or others, just like you didn't create the ones on the physical plane.
If there are reptilians I have never seen them and I have traveled through all the plains and veils here. The entities in the veil are very real and should not be mistaken for something else, the veil is timeless so to speak and time works differently also on the other plains. Do not mistake this, these plains I am referring to are not astral plains they are very real. Think of it like this there is 5 other realities going on at the same time all different then this one, all separated by a veil. The fear you create through your higherself this is where you find reptilians they are created by your mind to express caution.
powessy
7th July 2014, 15:54
I must also note that it seems a lot of the 'new age*' type movement people are the ones targeted for astral and OBE experiences mostly.
This also suggests that it is done via technology... It is also done to wake people up at times as well(seen it on other forums where there is a dream section in research 'alien-ufos.com'). So we wouldn't know why each case is targeted for it under that logic...
*whether it's the US gov fabricated new age(Archangel Michael but rejection of christianity in a big way for example) or the organic one they predicted or were told about they are manipulating from as a basis(reincarnation- chakras, spirituality etc)...
Hello omniverse
I do want to make a note here also about what you have said about the "new age". We must also look at the synthetic drugs being used today, the roots and bark used by shamans, and many people changing there diets avoiding the poisons put in our foods and liquids all help in this process invoking these experiences as people want and continue to search for answers. My question is has anyone used these drugs to bring about the obe that had, had previous experiences pryer to the usage, are these experiences the same.
This is very intresting thread indeed, and thanks for everyone for sharing thoughts, experiences and stories. And I would like to tell story myself. The story when I saw negative entity with my own eyes. This happened about 17 years ago. I was young and fool and one night drank a coco which had some drug in it. Soon after my world started to spin around I didnt feel that good. I went to bed and saw a black creature, almost identical to Nazgul like this http://www.councilofelrond.com/wp-content/uploads/modules/My_eGallery/gallery/characters/other/ringwraiths/nazgul-003.jpg start to make jumps and attacks towards me. I was totally terrified and the experience lasted for few hours. At the time I was having my first small spiritual wakening but that experience kinda stopped it. One thing led to another and soon I was studying art, getting depressed and drinkin way too much... Well that is another story and not something to be told in this thread.
But anyway; some might say that I was just hallucinating becouse of the drug. But I personally believe that the drug allowed me to see the creature that haunted me - and might have haunted long before and after the incident. Few years ago, during the early days of my ongoing 2nd wakening I became aware of the fact that I am carrying some kind of etheric implant. I have managed to locate it and it is placed on area of my forehead. I can feel it in my energyfield and during my meditations I have been able to see it and even remove it: but it always gets back. I have a strong belief that it is preventing me to step to next spiritual level. I also have another implant which is placed area of my root/sacral chakras and is really a pain in the...
I dont see nightmares, I am not suffering from sleep paralysis but I indeed have met many extra dimensionals and terrestials in my dreams: mostly greys, sometimes reptilians and few times human looking ET's. We always communicate via telepathy, and only reptilians have been hostile towards me.
The bottom line is that as there are many more experienced people who read this thread, if you know a way to remove implants please tell me via replying this post or send a private message. :)
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Just curious for those involved... To the people who have had synthetic dreams:
Do you experience ear ringing? And howso if you do, plz explain. A ittle research of mine regarding this thread:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?72824-Has-anyone-else-been-hearing-the-high-pitced-ringing-or-humming-sound
The Truth Is In There
10th July 2014, 12:35
The fear you create through your higherself this is where you find reptilians they are created by your mind to express caution.
the higher self doesn't create fear. it's beyond emotions (except the unconditional love of the logos) because it resides on the causal plane. emotions are expressions of the astral plane.
i think a lot of people would be quite insulted by your statement. reptilians are physical as well as non-physical beings just like humans are. you don't create them with your mind. what your mind creates can be thoughtforms or elementals, these are something else entirely.
reptilians in the physical, just like humans, are only bound by physical laws so they can get hold of you no matter what your vibration is. consciousness transfer during r.e.m. sleep is done through technology since decades and most people believe they're on the astral plane or have been abducted by ETs when they're really in a clone body in a DUMB. a high vibration won't prevent that.
Maia Gabrial
10th July 2014, 13:06
It's interesting that I've had to redo my response to your thread because someone didn't want me to respond, Omniverse. So, we must be on the right track! One thing I learned about psychopaths is that their greatest fear is exposure. I'm all for bring them down whoever these psychos are. It doesn't matter if they're human, nonhuman or half-human.
I totally agree with you about not letting dreams influence our decisions. Dreams and thoughts happen in the mind and it's best to realize what's in your best interest and not.
Back in 2009 or 2010, my Higher Self taught me how to tell the difference between my thoughts and the ones being put into my mind. Even with minimal effort, I was able to tell the difference. In some cases, I could hear AND see who was saying things into my mind. On one particular night, a male whispered into my ear to commit suicide. I lifted my head and told him to eff off. Recognizing the difference has made a major difference in my life. I hope people start paying attention to what their thoughts are saying. Just because it's inside their head doesn't mean it belongs to them.
As I understand it, many things are being transmitted into our minds all the time. People need to know that they can reject them all the time, too.
Thanks for this great topic, Omniverse!
Omni
17th August 2014, 08:03
Just remembered a few examples of US government synthetic dreams I have had.
The common theme is my gun never works in dreams. I've had dreams where raptors are invading earth and I was one of the last humans alive in a hospital, and when they find me, my gun doesn't work. I have had like 5 synthetic dreams where my gun doesn't work. I have had other dreams similar to that premise of impotency... They try to put impotency into subconsciousness with such dreams perhaps...
Also here is my video on synthetic dreams:
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Also I support people coming forward with dreams they believe might be synthetic. I would give my input if anyone wants it as well to analyze a dream. I don't mean the meanings of the dream so much as it's source, organic or synthetic.
chocolate
17th August 2014, 09:16
Being a black sheep, albeit a very small one, I don't subscribe under the notion of this influencing being 'malicious'.
it is very unpleasant, though. Sometimes. But also can be beneficial.
I don't feel like going into the details, those who understand the idea will get my point.
A lot needs to be said about OUR origins, and than about what ETs actually ARE, and how we are connected to them and between one another,
and then the rest of it.
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