Inuit Elders say poles have already shifted

[Richard]

The Inuit have been noticing major changes for years, not only in their environment but in their skies as well. A new documentry details the elders observations on the new position of the sun and stars amongst other things.

The documentary will premiere tonite night at 7 pm at the ImagineNative Film Festival in Toronto. The event will also be webcast live at http://www.isuma.tv/ikcc.

Here is a few gems:

The documentary – screening at Toronto’s imagineNATIVE film and media arts festival this weekend and streaming live at isuma.tv – is the first to ask Inuit elders to describe the severe environmental changes in the Arctic they are seeing and to do so in their own language. The tone of the film is intimate. The elders aren’t trying to cross a language barrier, or even speak to the Southern scientific community. They’re simply imparting their expert knowledge and wisdom – and the result will undoubtedly cause controversy.

“Over the years, nobody has ever listened to these people. Every time [the discussion is] about global warming, about the Arctic warming, it’s scientists that go up there and do their work. And policy makers depend on these findings. Nobody ever really understands the people up there,” Kunuk says.


Most startling for the filmmakers, though, was the Inuits’ belief that along with pollution and environmental changes, caused mainly by Southerners, the Earth has actually changed its tilt. The filmmakers kept hearing this theory in different communities. Perplexed, they contacted the U.S. National Aeronautics and Space Administration for answers, but experts said this was impossible.

When the filmmakers presented some of their findings at the Copenhagen conference on climate change last year, the media picked up on these views of the Inuit subjects, film co-director Ian Mauro says, and alarm bells started to ring in the scientific community. “We had a litany of scientists come back to us, responding after seeing this news, saying, ‘This was great to be speaking to indigenous people about their views, but if you continue to perpetuate this fallacy that the Earth had tilted on its axis, [the Inuit] .... would lose all credibility.’ And so there was really this backlash by the scientific community.”

Still, the Inuit insist they see changes in the sun’s course and the position of the stars in the night sky. “These elders, when they were growing up, they were told to go out every morning, before having anything to eat. They were told to go out at the age of 5 every morning to observe the weather,” Kunuk says. “So when they started talking about the sun and the sunset, I was puzzled too. Everywhere I went, each community, I was getting the same answer: The sun does not settle where it used to. I mean, it [causes] alarm.”

More here: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/arts/movies/new-documentary-recounts-bizarre-climate-changes-seen-by-inuit-elders/article1763952/

Documentary Trailer: http://www.isuma.tv/hi/en/inuit-knowledge-and-climate-change/trailer

[Carmody]

It's no surprise to me, personally. I've been a keen observer of the weather since I was a small child. I also have friends who are native Americans.*




*Not that those things mean much. I mean, that is the tactic that snake oil salesmen used to gain sales, they planted a buyer in the crowd--in order to create the break point in the crowd psychology, to make the 'turning point' to cascade the doubting unmoving crowd ---into a mass of believing buyers. The lesson is to not base your decisions in areas full of unknowns (unknowns for you) into an emotionally derived belief system. Observe, but reserve judgment. Do not bend to the desires of the body to emotionally force a decision process in a group of unknowns... in order to gain a sense of self security from 'knowing' where you stand (due to making a decision). Let the unknown exist a bit longer ---and wait for more information to come along, even spend some time looking for it. Allow yourself time to think. And don't give into desire and fear to feel comfortable (or have desires or fears fulfilled) before it is correct to do so. Realism vs emotionalism. One of those will eventually get you killed. Guess which one.

In this case, on the personal level, I find the Inuit data point, to me, to be a powerful one. What it's true meaning is, I do not fully know at this time, and I may never know. But I'm definitely keeping this data point near the tip of my mind and I am going to keep it close at hand and mind..in one my plethora of 'fact pockets', in order to pull it out and test fit it to other data if the time for that should come.

[kcw_one]

This feels significant. As one who is constantly reading and learning about a lot of different subjects, gleaning info from a lot of different sources, this one data point coming from inuit elders stuck with me. I heard about it last year some time, and then again earlier this week. Some info sticks and some filters away with all the other bric a brac. I live in Alberta Canada and have a small amount of things learned as a result of my proximit to the territories of the Inuit as well as some of this data being part of public school curriculum (did all my schooling here in western Canada, and now I teach in the public schools).

Early on in my exploration into spiritual and metaphysical (alt-media) topics, like many of you I encountered ideas about a coming pole shift, with widely varying interpretations as to the implications of such an event. Filed away as another data point in a "fact pocket",as aptly put by Camody, this concept has just jumped to the front of the queue of things to think about.

For years we've been fed ideas about accumulation of certain gases in our atmosphere, mostly produced by human activity as we've been told. The "greenhouse effect" is a scientific theory that I can remember hearing about as early as 1990. It's interesting how a theory can be so widely be regarded as fact, despite a lack of convincing evidence in terms of causality, merely relying on suggestions about conclusions based on correlations. Could it be possible that we've been fed some big time BS in this regard (shockingly improbable right?) and that the true cause of the climate change we've Ben seeing has been obscured, either through ignorance or by design? Maybe.

According to what I understand so far, the widely variable climate conditions observed the closer to the planet's geographical poles one gets is due to the tilt of the planet's axis of rotation. I think it has been measured at 23 degrees off the solar system's eliptic plane. As the planet goes along it's orbital path around the sun, the poles spend part of the yearly cycle tilted away fromthe sun, thus receiving less direct solar energy on the planetary surface of those areas. I think this also contributes to the extremes in weather we enjoy here on earth, as the differential between cold air regions in the winter area and the warm air regions in the summer area interact and air soup swirls and dances.

I wonder if a change in the axial tilt of the planet could be causing some or most of the climate change we've been seeing. Granted there are also intergalactic energetic interplays going on at this time as well with whatever effects they produce, but as far as global climate is concerned it seems to me that if the polar regions were not tilted away from the sun as much, they'd heat up and see melting of the ice accumulation. Remember, the poles have always seen cycles of freeze and thaw, even before these end times. The reason why the ice packs remained as they did was that the length of the cold dark season allowed more frozen water to precipitate out of the atmosphere and build onto thise ice packs. The same with glaciers. I those higher altitudes spend more time being too warm for snow to fall, the balance of warm to cold prevents accumulation from occurring and there is more melt in the summer than there is snow/ice added in the winter.

These packs of ice are not simply Popsicles that resulted from frozen liquid water. They are places where snowfall accumulates year after year, snowing more than can melt away in the warm months, resulting in layer upon layer of ice and snow and slush that freezes and compresses the layers under it time after time. This is why climate scientists bore into the ice to look at core samples. They make observation about the measurements and composition of all of these layers to try to guess out the future by looking at data of the past.

Anyway, if the tilt I'd the axis changed, as the Inuit claim it has through hundreds of years of careful observation, then I can certainly see how that would upset the ratios of freeze and thaw resulting in gradual melting of the polar ice caps. Perhaps all of this pole shift business is not about a change in where in the global sphere the geographic poles are, making the ice caps be somewhere else, but perhaps it is about a shift in the tilt of the poles, resulting in a reduction or disappearance of polar ice.

Too early to tell i suppose. But something is going on. The Inuit have been looking at the sky out of necessity for survival for a long time, possibly as long as tens of thousands of years. If they are noticing these changes, it is probably worth taking notice of.

[UKIPster]

Hmm A real Dilemma here.

Shall we believe The Native Inuit elders (people who would not dare sacrifice their Integrity and who would in any case have nothing to gain from doing so)
or should we believe the bribed to the Hilt Fully Compromised intellectual prostitute/whores of Nasa and the Scientific community like the "geniuses" of the Climate Research Unit.
I know which I believe.
Not because i'm stupid
but because I was born the day before Yesterday
AstralWalker Resonates with me and I tingle everyday

[jcocks]

Hmm A real Dilemma here.

Shall we believe The Native Inuit elders (people who would not dare sacrifice their Integrity and who would in any case have nothing to gain from doing so)
or should we believe the bribed to the Hilt Fully Compromised intellectual prostitute/whores of Nasa and the Scientific community like the "geniuses" of the Climate Research Unit.


Oh.... that one's really simple! :P Believe is what *YOU* see with *YOUR* own eyes! Do the stars, sun, and moon seem to be in different positions to *YOU*??

Personally speaking, I can remember some time last year noticing that the moon especially seemed to be in a different posiition in the sky... For a time, it seemed to be rising every evening in a different position....

Maybe I was just imagining things, but it seemed very unusual and real to me....

And it's interesting that the inuits are saying the same thing....I'd be more inclined to believe them than a bunch of scientists only interested in maintaining the status quo.

Joel

[Harley]

Darn it Richard, I missed your post! But I just went to Inuit Knowledge and Climate Change (http://www.isuma.tv/hi/en/inuit-knowledge-and-climate-change) and it says:

Because of the huge turnout for our online event our servers have had difficulty responding to the load. If you had difficulty seeing the movie it will be released soon online. Tune in to IsumaTV for an announcement soon. so I'll be looking forward to it!

Thanks!