If all the conspirators were ALL caught, what do you think their punishment(s) should be?

[Omni]

Had ET Contact(impersonations are always possible with electronic telepathy) saying this like 10 minutes ago:

"Be forgiving of some involved in the conspiracy(Mark Zuckerberg was the subject), its more the ones who are consciously aware of it..." Also there was a very clear interaction involved saying Mark Zuckerberg is absolutely a mind controlled asset. It's very possible they chose him to DO facebook, as I'm sure the intelligent ETs on their side could tell them such sites would be a hit... It's easy to see.. Any of us could go to a world just developing the internet and become a multi-billionaire....

For this bit: "its more the ones who are consciously aware of it"... The concept of this was done to me: 'The Leaders who are not influenced by covert mind control, who have made the decisions...'

So I'm curious to hear Avalon's take on this (especially Bill Ryan if he cares to comment, I'd be most interested in his opinion as he always has intelligent posts), what would you do to all of the ones involved in the global conspiracy? Going from top to bottom. (or bottom to top).

Personally I would do things like cut them off from telepathic circles that ETs will be no doubt be having when first contact happens. Things like that for most of them. There might be a few I'd kill, say if it's a guy who likes incarnating in past popes and CIA/NSA bigwigs in the now (if there is a correlation),.. I may execute them, I may not if they started to have hearts... (Note: I think the current pope shows signs of being quite awesome) I wouldn't torture them... Killing them may seem harsh, but they seem to rely on no punishment, or seem to think there is no punishment for what they do(which there isn't right now for the bigger players unless the snakes head bites off the tail)... I used to be a little more militaristic before. I changed as I grew up. So killing might not be what I'd do in say 5 years from now.. But right now I think some small amount of precise retribution for all that's been done, isn't too harsh. I don't really use the word justice, but it would be known in history, as some justice that could be liked by many just as a release...

I could change my opinion on what I'd do to them as well, as right now (as always) when I'm writing this thread I am being tampered with...

I think a lot of the people involved would switch sides and have a heart chakra active if they were showed potent love in the way advanced ETs can give it. There would still be some punishments IMO, but nothing too big and they wouldn't be permanent for almost all involved IMHO. If they consciously made the decision to betray humanity relying on no punishment, I would make the punishment more severe.

In general I think taking away benefits is better than issuing negatives in how amazing and interesting the world will be when global first contact happens. And if TPTB was taken out of power it would surely be right around the corner.

If we followed normal laws.......... I don't think we could have a mass execution of like 30 million people. At least I wouldn't feel right with it. So that is my take.. What is yours?

[David Ansible]

The ones who rape and even apparently sacrifice children I'd execute. I would also make sure they were thoroughly shamed and humiliated
prior to their execution. I might not physically torture them, though they "deserve" it. I'd consider it though.

Oh well, I suppose I have not fully evolved : )

[Omni]

The ones who rape and even apparently sacrifice children I'd execute. I would also make sure they were thoroughly shamed and humiliated
prior to their execution.
I'd do the same. give them a fresh start.

[joeecho]

Karma is a Bitch. Their graves are self dug.

[Omni]

Karma is a Bitch. Their graves are self dug.

Even the ones who wouldn't be doing it if they weren't mind controlled?

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The ones who rape and even apparently sacrifice children I'd execute. I would also make sure they were thoroughly shamed and humiliated
prior to their execution. I might not physically torture them, though they "deserve" it. I'd consider it though.

Oh well, I suppose I have not fully evolved : )

I agree. Humiliation would be a good thing to do to them as punishment.

[Lifebringer]

Do unto others,as you would have others do unto you, if you were that greedy n psycho. "Life on meds and prison and banned for Life from the public n family. As they made others disappear, so should they also disappear from public life, strict ban of controlling interest, in any public/private contract and disclosure, as condition for recorded video visitation.

[joeecho]

Karma is a Bitch. Their graves are self dug.

Even the ones who wouldn't be doing it if they weren't mind controlled?[COLOR="red"]



Good question.

I see mind control as an infinite pyramid, so to speak. Even those actively using mind control are being manipulated/ mind controlled themselves even if they think they are smarter then that. (As a visual regarding the smarter, did you ever see the movie Revolver (2005)?)

So....IMO.....I would have to say yes, they dig their own grave.

Let the buyer beware.

How does the saying go? There is no free ride.

[korgh]

Karma is a Bitch. Their graves are self dug.

Even the ones who wouldn't be doing it if they weren't mind controlled?

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The ones who rape and even apparently sacrifice children I'd execute. I would also make sure they were thoroughly shamed and humiliated
prior to their execution. I might not physically torture them, though they "deserve" it. I'd consider it though.

Oh well, I suppose I have not fully evolved : )

I agree. Humiliation would be a good thing to do to them as punishment.


Humiliation would not be something that can be seen as punishment because such people have no sense of shame, sense of ethics or morality. They do not care about what can be talked about because they feel protected by others of the same species. They should be treated like any robber, rapist or killer, and without any special treatment.
but ... if it were me, the sentence would be death penalty with all the confiscated goods.

[Dennis Leahy]

If you read (and believe) Michael Newton's books, we ALL end up in the same place (call it "heaven" if you want), with spirit guides/elders and soul group members laying bare and analyzing the human deeds of the newly arrived soul - and doing soul repairs as necessary. That is how Source deals with them. There was even a conversation between Michael Newton and a person in spirit memory/experience, where it was said that if a soul was too badly damaged, it was (voluntarily?) dissolved back into Source, totally losing its quasi-independent identity. (end of the line - dispersed)

Here on Earth, they belong in prison - humanely treated, above and beyond what prisoners receive now, (because any form of torture reverses the roles between us and them.) They should have no outside contact, not as a torture but to prevent any further propagation of their thoughts. If there is a way to create a building that "jams" them from connecting telepathically, I'd do that too. Isolation from society, for society's sake.

I want their reign of terror to end, but not a new chapter where compassionate people with good hearts and high integrity throw it all away to create visceral retribution against the monsters.

Dennis

[joeecho]

Here on Earth, they belong in prison - humanely treated, above and beyond what prisoners receive now, (because any form of torture reverses the roles between us and them.) Dennis


There would be a reversal one way or another. The reversal might not be noticed at first but the die will have been cast. Of course in an alternate reality, who knows.

[Omni]

Just got an idea. Next lifetime incarnate them as autistic people.... Kind of fitting. And great posts. I realize I was too light on them after reconsidering. And putting them in the prisons they built has the irony ingredient I like in things such as this(might as well do it artistically).

[araucaria]

There is probably no one on this planet that has not been contaminated at least to some small degree by the poisonous atmosphere (mind control) that has been created. What is needed is not punishment for all but some kind of truth and reconciliation process. The creation of a new, healthy atmosphere (no more mind control by known methods) would in itself be conducive to more ethical behaviour by all but the few diehards, who would be no longer interested. Those who cannot or will not adjust to the new situation will wander away in due course. Simply removing their power, wealth and influence ought to be as effective as removing batteries from a battery-powered appliance. Starting at the top, definitely.

The important thing to remember is that the enemy is antisocial behaviour, not individuals, unless they are so completely identified with such behaviour that they will not reform themselves. It is up to those individuals to decide whether they can fit in or not.

[Lifebringer]

Strip them of their wealth, power, and positions, put a pair of cheap sneakers, ankle monitor after serving 20 years, overcoat, cut off gloves, and khaki pants and leave them to the mercy of the streets. Their felony record following them everywhere they go, and no positions of governmental power/forever banned from serving or donating or voting.

[Billy]

My words are not coming easy this morning, But i will try and express what i feel.

The issue is not about judging or what punishment you think others deserve, Emitting the energy of revenge only continues to feed those who believe they are in control. Trying to control humanity through revengeful act of punishment, murder or torture is because the controllers feel insecure. Do not lower yourselves to their mindset.

For me the most important issue at this time is for humanity to take responsibility for the transformation of self and all of humanity and planet earth and bring all into balance.

When balance is achieved the energy shifts and those who are unbalanced and believe they are in control will have no option but to either move along with the energy of transformation or return to their creator, as they will be unable to function within a balanced paradigm.

My thoughts.

Peace

[Sidney]

They should take their trillions of dollars and distribute it to everyone evenly. Feed the hungry, and fix all the environmental damage they caused.

[Sunny-side-up]

Sidney If all the conspirators were ALL caught, what do you think their punishment(s) should be?
They should take their trillions of dollars and distribute it to everyone evenly. Feed the hungry, and fix all the environmental damage they caused.
My words are not coming easy this morning, But i will try and express what i feel.

The issue is not about judging or what punishment you think others deserve, Emitting the energy of revenge only continues to feed those who believe they are in control. Trying to control humanity through revengeful act of punishment, murder or torture is because the controllers feel insecure. Do not lower yourselves to their mindset.

For me the most important issue at this time is for humanity to take responsibility for the transformation of self and all of humanity and planet earth and bring all into balance.

When balance is achieved the energy shifts and those who are unbalanced and believe they are in control will have no option but to either move along with the energy of transformation or return to their creator, as they will be unable to function within a balanced paradigm.

My thoughts.

Peace

Yes and yes to the above reply's;

We must not do anything or think anything that takes us down to their levels/vibrations, if we do anything as they would do, well! they have WON and you/we have LOST!

[AriG]

This is an interesting exercise, but it is, to be blunt... vague. Who are "they"? Are "they" politicians? If so, at what level to they become complicit? What about corporate moguls? Does "they" include, for example, Mary Barra (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Barra)?, a woman of humble origins who worked hard to achieve success? Perhaps royalty...but even the most heinous noble is incarnated as a captive of their "birthright".. What is the litmus test to determine culpability? Certainly it cannot be simply playing the game well and to one's advantage. How would the "rest of us" determine who belongs on that list? Success in the matrix? What if success in one incarnation is compensation for suffering in a prior? What if everything we believe about spiritual advancement is incorrect. What if it is simply a system of merits and demerits? A balanced set of incarnations to provide the spirit with sufficient experiences to fully grasp the concept of consciousness? Lifetimes as enlightened and lifetimes as not.

Personally, it is my opinion that if we are going to even ponder how we are going to punish "them", that we have the courage to name them and provide evidence of their crimes against humanity. Otherwise, it is a futile tin foil hat exercise wherein we lump together anyone of means under the assumption that they have somehow committed crimes by virtue of their success. A witchhunt.

I'll start naming a few. Feel free to help me expand the list!

Bad Guys List:

Hugh Grant (http://www.monsanto.com/whoweare/pages/hugh-grant-bio.aspx) - CEO Monsanto - pretty sure I don't need to list his crimes
Jim Tisch (http://www.loews.com/leadership/james-s-tisch/)- CEO Loews Corporation - guilty of exploitation of natural resources, environmental destruction and the #1 Wall Street
tycoon.
Dick Cheney (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dick_Cheney) - draft dodging nazi psychopath directly and indirectly responsible for the deaths of millions
George H.W. Bush - the devil who will not die
The Koch Brothers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koch_family_foundations) - Even beyond their vast private earth poisoning corporate empire and their tea party tactics, they are funding research that will render us all incapable of resistance.

Now these are only a handful of contemporary examples of course and do not include the old European nobility and their beneficiaries such as Ottaviano de Medici (http://m.timeslive.co.za/world/?articleId=10206843), The Rothschilds, etc.

If it is suggested that "they" be punished, then certainly it is reasonable to identify them?

[Jake]

Excellent posts. I don't believe that they can be fixed. Any interest in them would be purely academic. Beating them or torturing/murdering would only be a stain on our own karmic outlook. The universe will file them into whatever bucket they belong in. I believe that. So what do we do with them while they still live??

Make them write this sentence over and over....

"I will not be a big meany poo poo head!"

JUST KIDDING... (sorry :))

Honestly,, cutting the telepathic ties that they have become dependent on, would be torturous to them... Even more so,, the influx of love and positive energies would be even worse. We may not be able to reform them,,, but we may be able to give them a running start in the next life...

Maybe have them all write their own biographies. They would be studied over for time and eternity, as we look back at this time in history!!!

Awesome posts.
Jake.

[Sunny-side-up]

These are all experiences of the whole, without their experiences we would not have ours !

The ONE is the knowledge 'WHOLE' the so called negatives give us positives the contrast to see with! We are all one!

So WHO should be punished? It's not up to us to Punish ! if we where at the level to 'Know' we would not be in this conversation!

[Sidney]

Excellent posts. I don't believe that they can be fixed. Any interest in them would be purely academic. Beating them or torturing/murdering would only be a stain on our own karmic outlook. The universe will file them into whatever bucket they belong in. I believe that. So what do we do with them while they still live??

Make them write this sentence over and over....

"I will not be a big meany poo poo head!"

JUST KIDDING... (sorry :))

Honestly,, cutting the telepathic ties that they have become dependent on, would be torturous to them... Even more so,, the influx of love and positive energies would be even worse. We may not be able to reform them,,, but we may be able to give them a running start in the next life...

Maybe have them all write their own biographies. They would be studied over for time and eternity, as we look back at this time in history!!!

Awesome posts.
Jake.

Still snickering on the meany poo poo head. LOL :laugh:

I think they will "get theirs" on their lifes review at death. can you imagine??? They will feel the suffering of all the people,animals,planet. Curious what karma lies in store for them next time around(if there is one that is).

[AriG]

Excellent posts. I don't believe that they can be fixed. Any interest in them would be purely academic. Beating them or torturing/murdering would only be a stain on our own karmic outlook. The universe will file them into whatever bucket they belong in. I believe that. So what do we do with them while they still live??

Make them write this sentence over and over....

"I will not be a big meany poo poo head!"

JUST KIDDING... (sorry :))

Honestly,, cutting the telepathic ties that they have become dependent on, would be torturous to them... Even more so,, the influx of love and positive energies would be even worse. We may not be able to reform them,,, but we may be able to give them a running start in the next life...

Maybe have them all write their own biographies. They would be studied over for time and eternity, as we look back at this time in history!!!

Awesome posts.
Jake.

Still snickering on the meany poo poo head. LOL :laugh:

I think they will "get theirs" on their lifes review at death. can you imagine??? They will feel the suffering of all the people,animals,planet. Curious what karma lies in store for them next time around(if there is one that is).

That may not necessarily be so. It is possible that they were chosen to fulfill those roles. Hired for a gig so to speak. They might be rewarded for playing their "role" so well.

[sirdipswitch]

To forgive... is Divine

[yelik]

Many have committed terrible and unforgivable crimes against humanity and would kill and torture anyone that got in their way. A new type of court would need to be established which could issue a range of punishments, perhaps some of the victims having a say in the type of punishment.

As much as I'd like to say turn a blind eye to such crimes and just lock them away this would not be acceptable to millions who have suffered. In my opinion there is no excuse or second chance. Given the opportunity they would do it again and again and simply laugh in the face of goodwill. It's like treating a poisonous snake with kindness and expecting not to bite you, it's their nature.

[AriG]

if we where at the level to 'Know' we would not be in this conversation!

So you are saying that if we were at that level, that we would be complicit or that because we are not at that level that we can contemplate these issue, but not delve more deeply into the key players and root cause? I am not sure that I agree with that sentiment. That is, imho, a head in the sand approach. It is basically suggesting, "not for you to know dear", now go sit in the lotus position and meditate for world peace. I think the most enlightened approach to stopping the agenda is to shine light upon it. Religions, including new age religions, have been used as a tool for control. Yes, love and peace, without question. That said, we are not here to serve as fodder for the controllers. We are their equals. And we have a right to know and we have a right to address the wrong doing by exposing it. That is the most loving thing we could do for humanity.

[Dennis Leahy]

Forgiveness is something inside of us, something we can control, something we "possess." Forgiveness (in my mind) does not necessarily mean (to use yelik's analogy) French kissing a rattlesnake, and does not mean that it would be wise for society to have genocidal psychopaths simply set free, as if they are "cured" or deserve to walk free after murdering millions, creating untold suffering, and nearly murdering Gaia. They can be held in prisons for the rest of their lives, with no chance of parole, while we work on ourselves and our ability to forgive.

Dennis

[Shezbeth]

To forgive... is Divine

One can forgive one's opponent while destroying them utterly,.... ^_~

[yelik]

Whilst I do not believe in the death penalty in my opinion the crimes of the elites are different and every trace must be banished from our world with absolutely no risk of return. This task will be easier said than done.

[Positive Vibe Merchant]

I think this has to be viewd in different 'times'. If we are talking mind control and all things possible there the consdierations we need to make are these:

We would need to 'jump' to 'the future' or look to the current time at the very least to see who is being controlled/programmed to continue to commit the crimes that we face right now. Or those from the younger generation that are the policy makers.

What I am getting at is that Cheney/Bush etal, are going to die just the same, their lifespan here is almost done. We need to focus on those who are taking their place with enough 'time' to make thigns worse. Its difficult to reverse things if you start in the past I would think.

I hope this make sense and you all get 'where Im coming from' :)
PVM

[Hervé]

IMO, the answer to the thread's question is: rehabilitation.

Why? Anything else is postponing the problem as in handing it over to the next generation to solve since places like hell or psy-ops like karma or implantings life after life don't seem to affect them much, do they?

To the contrary, they re-incarnate and, as anyone else, come back with a vengeance having learnt to be even stealthier and more cunning than in their previous attempt... and that's excluding those who are just "possessing" some hosts who are left holding the bag when caught and gone on the hunt for another patsy.

Get the idea?

[Selene]

While I admire – and share – the generous sentiments of my fellow Avalonians, I must admit to a frisson of personal satisfaction at the mere thought of turning the highest miscreants over to the tender mercies of their own chosen “masters”: the reptilian Alpha Draconae. The Draco, indeed and truly, who will undoubtedly be thoroughly pissed at the failure of their human minions to execute their program exactly, and will settle accordingly.

Works for me. ;)

Selene

[Omni]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ckom3gf57Yw

"New blood joins this earth,
And quickly he's subdued.
Through constant pained disgrace
The young boy learns their rules.

With time the child draws in.
This whipping boy done wrong.
Deprived of all his thoughts
The young man struggles on and on."

"Never free, never me, so I dub thee unforgiven."

[Sunny-side-up]

In my first reply to this very interesting PO I did not say do nothing to or with them that are decreed as having done/doing evil to life and the planet!

I agree along the lines of segregation for them, take them out of society !

But what I do say is, do not join in with their energies and think of tortures!

I do not know of any of my past live in detail, if any! (I think I used the sword or made swords though!)

What I do feel in contact with though, is that in a past realm I unleashed 'Mighty, deadly force' in the name of what I saw as for the good!
That unleashing was a sacrifice of my own place on the ladder, so now I'm here! I no we should have mighty forces/energies in our true other/higher state!

I see and experience glimpses of it time to time but! I also know I have had blocks/breakers in place so that I/we would not unleash such energies here and now!

I can say that within my first half of my present life I WOULD have unleashed that force again on the many, many ,many evil doers that I could see causing so much pain to beings, so much destruction to life and the planet!
I would not now do so,
I've climbed back up a rung on the ladder again!

So please don't go down any rungs on the ladder by thinking like the evil doers, win over them, we all need be up as hi as we can be!

[jackovesk]

I hate reality shows, but I'd love to see them come undone in a (Reality Prison Show) with televised Executions..:thumb:

[Observer1964]

I hate reality shows, but I'd love to see them come undone in a (Reality Prison Show) with televised Executions..:thumb:

I was thinking along the same line...
but another part of me sais no, ...

Maybe we check who is a true psychopath (I understand it shows on brainscan)
The true psychopath have te be locked up for the rest of their life, the others to prison-schools until they learned how to be a respectable responsible fellow citizen. Only if they can truly be responsible let them free, but any attempt to regain any powerfull position.. back to prison school for live so others understand it is a one chance only ...

(trying not to think of pictures of bombed children)

[Omni]

One idea I got from ETs is this:
Cut them off from telepathy (other than a secretary AI) and make them write books. I think that's a good one.

[Pam]

I'm pretty sure this response will not be very well received but the the problem lies within the question. As long as we continue to be the victims , so it is "they" that need to be punished and "we", the good guys will need to do it I don't see things changing much. How many of TPTB really know the extent of the evil they are participating in? I think there are very few. So what level of culpability does one need to have before he moves into the punishable category? Many people believe that Bill Gates is one of the evil ones. Do you use any Microsoft products? What is your degree of culpability if you do?

Imagining that TPTB are removed or destroyed do you think there be no further problems of the kind that we have endured? I do. Maybe not to the degree that it is now, or maybe worse. As long as there are those operating from a "service to self" perspective the world will continue to have the same type of issues that it currently does. That is really the issue here, I believe.

Sincerely,
Pam

[Hervé]

[...]

Imagining that TPTB are removed or destroyed do you think there be no further problems of the kind that we have endured?
[...]
Pam

See this thread: Brainscans and prisoners: Outing the sociopaths and the domino effect (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?66489-Brainscans-and-prisoners-Outing-the-sociopaths-and-the-domino-effect)