Time Traveler Caught On Charlie Chaplin 1928 Film 'The Circus'?

[irishspirit]

According to George Clarke, down below piece of video footage found by him in Charlie Chaplin film DVD 'The Circus'.

Attending the premiere at Manns Chinese Theatre in Hollywood, CA - the scene shows a large woman /man dressed in black with a hat hiding most of his/her face, with what can only be described as a mobile phone device - talking as she walks alone.

http://www.ufo-blogger.com/2010/10/time-traveler-caught-on-charlie-chaplin.html


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhP-dHKlk9w

OMG, I am amazed by this. Is is really really strange!!

[Eric J (Viking)]

That is soooo bloody weird...I wonder?

Have you seen this one ...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2sp-clMk8s

viking

[Arpheus]

Strange yes,but anyone with technology to time travel wouldnt be using a cell phone in 1928 because there would be no network for it,but yes that footage is bizarre,and i dont think thats a lady looks more like a guy to me tho.

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Viking that one is a hoax,look at both guys the older version is taller LOL.

[Ilie Pandia]

As far as I know some scenes in very old movies have been "restored" due to the tape having been destroyed. So the man/woman on the phone may be from a scene shot recently... or is captain Picard speaking with Enterprise in the episode he got back in time :)

For the second one... he is not taller... however two guys with the same tattoo does not make them the same person. He should have brought back some predictions from the future: sports, weather, disasters, presidents, wars etc. It would seem that his older self has survived 2012 with no drastic changes :)

PS: How did the second guy get back? Is the portal still open? How did the portal look on the other side?

[Fredkc]

Arpheus;
Viking that one is a hoax,look at both guys the older version is taller LOL.
Well, up to a point, older versions of me in photos, are taller too. ;)

I used to be 6' 4". Now I am only 6' 3 1/2".

From: Major League;
"You put snot on the ball?!?"
"I haven't got an arm like you, kid. I put anything I can on it. Someday, you will too." ;)

[UKIPster]

Someone pass me my triquarter i've got to check this out.

Because if theres some time travelling entity on screen in a 1928 Charlie Chaplin movie Well,

Well, That'll just changes EVERYTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!! Man! I wonder what tariff they're on? and what Network? Surely they're not PAYG?

[merecat]

Charlie Chaplin time travel:This is sadly a hoax. Keep your eye on the zebra and notice that it changes into an elephant...

[Project_Buggy_Beach]

I would like an older person to view this footage and tell us their thoughts, maybe there was a novelty item back then like a stress ball release where you put it up to your ear and yell at it. Several explanations can be provided for the lack of wireless in that century including a repeater at the jump point or its not a wireless device but a radio communicating to a ship.

[merecat]

Just to add watch from 4 mins in, turn the volume down so you';re not distracted by the moment he talks over the footage. A true circus with magicle trnsforming zebras!!!

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It really is a hoax!!!

[Hiram]

Just to add watch from 4 mins in, turn the volume down so you';re not distracted by the moment he talks over the footage. A true circus with magicle trnsforming zebras!!!

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It really is a hoax!!!

merecat, I think what you're seeing is a different shot taken from a new angle...nothing else in the frame is the same as the one with the zebra, and you can see part of the zebra in the close up of the man/woman/thing's face. I don't see how this makes the frames in question less legitimate.

[Project_Buggy_Beach]

He tells you to purchase the original film and watch it on your own, always prove it on your own.

[jack]

Strange yes,but anyone with technology to time travel wouldnt be using a cell phone in 1928 because there would be no network for it,but yes that footage is bizarre,and i dont think thats a lady looks more like a guy to me tho.

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Viking that one is a hoax,look at both guys the older version is taller LOL.

The older version is also a good deal heavier. When someone puts on weight it can add an inch for two between the feet and the scalp, depending on how much weight.

[Dale]

Quite an interesting video!

I've watched the frames several times though, and can't find any sign of hoaxing - as of yet! It looks like a woman, walking past the camera, holding an object of some kind to the left side of her face. I'm certainly unsure as to what the object in the film is, and I'm doubtful that I, or anyone else, will ever truly know. Maybe she was a time traveler; I suppose I can't close my mind to the possibility.

As to the video posted by 'viking' in the second comment, I do believe this has been verified to be a clever marketing advertisement. I'm quite certain this video was posted before on the forum, and an explanation was provided. Anyone remember the thread title?

[Project_Buggy_Beach]

The DVD needs to be purchased (unless you just happen to have a copy in your library) and then compare it correctly, don't pull another maybe doctored frame to compare with, we could go in circles all day with this.

[Solphilos]

Interesting footage, it's fun and piques the interest of us mystery lovers, but I wouldn't assume that it is indeed someone on a cell-phone.

Personally, I can't see an actual object in the persons hand. I do see someone holding their hand up to their ear and lips moving, but I can't jump to any conclusions as to what she/he may be doing.

Perhaps that we are so used to seeing this sort of gesture these days with people chatting away on their phones that this is the first thing that comes to mind? There are many possible explanations for such a gesture, and a time-traveler isn't the more likely

[East Sun]

Why isn't everyone walking like Charlie Chaplin?

Notice that when the man closest to the camera passes (he becomes transparent) the elephant's legs are zebra legs. When he has passed they turn back to elephant legs.
Something wrong with the whole setup. Why was the photographer taking that that guy's picture anyway?

[Ammit]

I am certainly no expert but, it does look like there is colour in the frames from time to time and 2 images seem to be superimposed on each other, but it is funny how the man who walks in front of the lady has pixxie ears....

[Carmody]

How about a lady holding up her gloves to the side of her face that is exposed and in that direction.... as she's seen the film camera (people are aware and have eyes, you know) and simply does not want to appear on film? And she's muttering about it?

I have relatives that to this day, do not want and will not allow anyone to take their picture. Or get them on film.

Substantiating evidence could be if you have temperature records and weather records for that time period, as in exact, for that area..and then check and see if she was simply a bit overdressed for that day. So she has her coat held open...and she has her gloves off. Not wanting to be on film, she puts her gloves up to cover the side of her face.

[Grizzom]

Hmmm? :confused:

Maybe it was the Verizon dudes grandmother?

"Can You Hear Me Now" :p

[TraineeHuman]

When were transistor radios invented? I know they were around at least since the early 1950s, and they were sometimes about the right size. You often needed to put them to your ear to listen to them, particularly if you weren't standing still. The lady/man might just have been singing along? Not so uncommon before the era of TV.

[rgray222]

Transistor radio, 1953
Pottering around the garden to the sounds of the Ashes; lying back in the bath with The Archers on; blocking out the office din with a chart hit; all simple pleasures made possible by the transistor radio. Until their introduction, radios were bulky affairs hooked up to the mains, but that changed in the early 1950s when the transistor manufacturer Texas Instruments commissioned the Indianapolis firm IDEA to develop the Regency TR1, which cost almost $500 in today's money when it went on sale in 1954

If anyone checks out their own copy of this film agianst this one please let us know how it stacks up!

[Nagual]

As to the video posted by 'viking' in the second comment, I do believe this has been verified to be a clever marketing advertisement. I'm quite certain this video was posted before on the forum, and an explanation was provided. Anyone remember the thread title?

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?2392-Jordan-Maxwell-Close-Encounters-and-other-stories&p=56848#post56848

[bennycog]

nice little find to the guy that went through so many hrs of footage.. was he looking for anything in particular? or just a very very hardcore charlie chaplin fan?
as to the footage.. not sure if you can really tell that it is a mobile phone.. but you sure can see the person talking, or moving their mouth. if it was a traveller they must have come up with something that can send vibrational frequencies forward and backword in time in a flash. it is hard enough talking from one country to another with the delay :)
how about a voice recorder.. can we go back and see how small they were made in them days?
bennycog

inside the box is outside the box

[Metaphor]

As to the video posted by 'viking' in the second comment, I do believe this has been verified to be a clever marketing advertisement. I'm quite certain this video was posted before on the forum, and an explanation was provided. Anyone remember the thread title?

Hi there, my first post on avalon2.
I see Nagual found the original thread, but I would also like to verify 100% that the clip that viking posted is a commercial from a swedish insurrance-company. I´m swedish so I found it pretty funny, because how could anyone outside sweden instantly know that its just clever marketing. Its the time of smoke and mirrors these days, you know.

[Solphilos]

How about a lady holding up her gloves to the side of her face that is exposed and in that direction.... as she's seen the film camera (people are aware and have eyes, you know) and simply does not want to appear on film? And she's muttering about it?

I have relatives that to this day, do not want and will not allow anyone to take their picture. Or get them on film.

Substantiating evidence could be if you have temperature records and weather records for that time period, as in exact, for that area..and then check and see if she was simply a bit overdressed for that day. So she has her coat held open...and she has her gloves off. Not wanting to be on film, she puts her gloves up to cover the side of her face.

It's certainly a better theory than an over-weight, time-traveling transvestite :nod:

I was also thinking that she/he was hiding her/his face from the camera, or even the sun. I personally loathe people taking my picture or being caught on camera, so it's completely understandable if this is the case.
When the person strolls by and then turns to face the camera, apparently speaking, they could be muttering all sorts admonishing words in their annoyance at being filmed.

[East Sun]

This is an advertisement for Yellow Fever Prod. in my opinion. And not very well done either.

[Project_Buggy_Beach]

http://www.amazon.com/Circus-2-Disc-Special/dp/B00017LVMS/ref=sr_1_fkmr1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1287935666&sr=1-1-fkmr1

Spend $15 and make an informed decision. :yu:

[ronbono57]

Is it possible thatr the people that edited this video, took it from film to digital, etc., to have digitally added in this man/woman speaking on some device? Has anyone seen the original video and can say for sure that this person was in the original film?

[tone3jaguar]

So a lady walks by holding a rectangle up to the side of her face. Automatically we think "wow, must be a cell phone" because that is the pattern that we have learned to recognize. Has anyone considered that it is just a black case for her check book? She knew they where filming and did not want her face to be seen?

[bennycog]

looks like if there is an object there it is no voice recorder.. they were first produced in 1968 by phillips and were no way handheld :)
and 1964 was audio cassettes.. so they are out of the picture (so to speak).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compact_Cassette


inside the box is outside the box

[Lost Soul]

Anyone else ever cover up their ear because of some loud noise?

I also see a lot of people talking to themselves, and they're not hooked up to a bluetooth (cellphone) either. We do have nuts among us.

[bennycog]

Anyone else ever cover up their ear because of some loud noise?

I also see a lot of people talking to themselves, and they're not hooked up to a bluetooth (cellphone) either. We do have nuts among us.

nuts galore :) i can see this thread may lead into talk on the mentally disturbed or clinically insane. the bodies waliking among us that are niether here nor there. the minds surrounding us that have lost their hold in our dimension..
hmmm i may be one of those.

[truthseekerdan]

Anyone else ever cover up their ear because of some loud noise?

We do have nuts among us.

Nuts are healthy -- are they salted or unsalted? :wink:

[Celine]

i prefer my nuts with pepper...
maybe thats cuz i'm french lol


OOPS I meant Quebecoise... on voudrait pas faire offense au vrais francais ;)

[Decibellistics]

The only logical thing I can think of would be a tape recorder but i mean cassette tapes weren't really even created till the 50's and that was for 1/4 inch.

Could it be possible, considering that phones had been invented and the person is questionable about being in drag, that it could have been one of chaplin's drunk buddies filming a joke about a possibility in the future just to freak us out when we actually see it lol. Genius. Comedy at its finest.

[Harley]

I know he said that it wasn't an Ear Trumpet, but how did he come to that conclusion? Ear Trumpets came in a very wide variety of sizes and shapes. Here is only one example.

ILONDON DOME TYPE HEIGHT: 3 & 3/4"
http://www.steinmed.net/siteassist_images/imgDD298.jpg

The Zebra turned into an Elephant simply because the film was fading from one scene into the next.

People don't talk to themselves once in awhile? Really?

Maybe she was singing and was using the Ear Trumpet so she could hear herself!

Just some thoughts...

[Carmody]

i prefer my nuts with pepper...
maybe thats cuz i'm french lol


OOPS I meant Quebecoise... on voudrait pas faire offense au vrais francais ;)

The mashed potatoes only have enough pepper on them when you can't see them anymore.


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back to the thread....

As for the woman, I said that the was a bit heavy, that much is obvious. And she was holding her coat open, as she was overheating, she was slightly overdressed but could not dress more lightly in that society, and for her age group.

And she was carrying her gloves in her hand, like women from that time period do.....and she covered up the side of her face as she did not want to be on film/camera.

Why is this so hard to understand?

[damian]

1920's hearing aid

In the early 1920s, people used hearing aids that you needed to hold up to your ears. Looks just like a cellphone.Oticon was founded in 1904 in Denmark by Hans Demant whose wife was hearing impaired
http://www.flickr.com/photos/23909185@N06/5108888518/

Look at these pictures of 1920's hearing aids, this may be the answer

[rgray222]

1920's hearing aid

In the early 1920s, people used hearing aids that you needed to hold up to your ears. Looks just like a cellphone.Oticon was founded in 1904 in Denmark by Hans Demant whose wife was hearing impaired
http://www.flickr.com/photos/23909185@N06/5108888518/

Look at these pictures of 1920's hearing aids, this may be the answer

Well done Merlin! This seems to be the most plausible explanation, that has been put forward!

[Zook]

Hi Damian,


1920's hearing aid

In the early 1920s, people used hearing aids that you needed to hold up to your ears. Looks just like a cellphone.Oticon was founded in 1904 in Denmark by Hans Demant whose wife was hearing impaired
http://www.flickr.com/photos/23909185@N06/5108888518/
Look at these pictures of 1920's hearing aids, this may be the answer

Well done! Let's hope that that closes this thread.

Not a bad thread, mind you ... but I'd say its fifteen minutes are just about up.

:ranger:

[Beth]

Great, another mystery solved! Now what are we going to do!!!!

[Lost Soul]

Other hearing aids: Link (http://beckerexhibits.wustl.edu/did/20thcent/index.htm)

[Harley]

1920's hearing aid

In the early 1920s, people used hearing aids that you needed to hold up to your ears. Looks just like a cellphone.Oticon was founded in 1904 in Denmark by Hans Demant whose wife was hearing impaired
http://www.flickr.com/photos/23909185@N06/5108888518/

Look at these pictures of 1920's hearing aids, this may be the answer


Great, another mystery solved! Now what are we going to do!!!!

Nice! But I don't think so. These early hearing aids used vacuum tubes. The one on the left in the photo you supplied is made by Western Electric and the COMPLETE thing can be seen here (http://www.flickr.com/photos/chemheritage/3438419893/). The hearing aids shown here, as well as ALL hearing aids of the era, were vacuum tube operated and because of their bulkiness were designed to be carried in your pocket.


Vacuum Tubes and Transistors

During the 1920s and onward, hearing aids started using vacuum tube technology in order to immensely improve the portability of these devices. Output increased and so did contention among the varying manufacturers. However, this particular model of hearing aid would not remain popular for very long. When the transistor was invented in the late 1940s, the size of the hearing aid, which has previously been carried around since it was so huge in size, dramatically reduced. John Bardeen, William Shockley, and Walter Brattan developed this technology, and this model is the form on which all modern hearing aids are based. The reduced size, low-cost price, and long-term battery life helped thousands hear better.
These new models were worn underneath clothing or inside a shirt pocket. The only visible portion of the hearing aid was the earpiece. When magnetic microphones were developed, hearing aids once again became smaller. Some models were attached to eyeglasses, integrated into a much more general accessory.
Read more at http://www.articlealley.com/article_1505500_17.html?ktrack=kcplink

It wasn't until Dec 1947 that the transistor was developed.
http://www.cedmagic.com/history/transistor-1947.html

The Ear Trumpet I showed in my previous post is only 3 1/2 inches long so your hand would easily cover most of it. But like I said, this is only an example. They came in many shapes and sizes. Look them up. You'll be surprised.

Have a nice day!

[TigaHawk]

I dont believe the film to be hoaxed - the zebra legs now elephant legs thing is, in my opinion, the scenes transitionnig by fading directly onto the newscene, just the guy cut the film a bit short sothere wasnt the next few seconds of film for you to see it changed scenes?

if you look at the right side of the zebra as its "transitioning" you can see the open area turns into a walkway and you're viewing down the walkway?

as to what it is he's holding ? not a clue.

And yes - people definately dont like being in pictures :P My Grandmother was one of them, sucked as i wanted something to remember her by... :( Hell, at her funeral, the only picture we did have of her (black and white, very old from just before she was married) kept getting.... "thrown" off the casket. even tho there was no breeze/wind/aircon circulating in the room to give it a nudge off.

[Arpheus]

This was one of today's headliner on Yahoo's news today,hmmmmmmmmm seems this mystery is getting quite a lot of attention now seems its far from being solved Beth.

[fourfingerz]

My theory is that the movie was filmed in the present (or future) and sent to the past . This gives a longer marketing period (we can see that at least one person is still buying it). So practically everyone on the set will have a cell phone - this person just got caught. No paradox at all.

Next!

Remember - I'm rooting for you - we're all in this together


fourfingerz

[Operator]

I also see a lot of people talking to themselves, and they're not hooked up to a bluetooth (cellphone) either. We do have nuts among us.

I see a lot of people talking to others that won't listen anyway (incl. me) ... so essentially talking to themselves, the group of nuts maybe bigger than you think :p

[TigaHawk]

I'll be the first here to put my hand up admitting that i talk to myself.

Not all teh time.... and definately not around other people :P just adds some sound when you're in a gigantic server room and all you can hear is the vaccuum whine of aircon fan's.

I'll also do odd things in lifts when alone as soon as the doors close. Ie try to spin around while only standing on 1 foot, or pretend to be some uber ninja and roundhouse kick the lift.


Am i the only one who does stuff like this? :madgrin:

[Phil]

Hello everyone I hate to be a party pooper I believe this device the person is holding is an extremely old Hearing aid here is a link for you to have a look for yourselves.

http://hearing.siemens.com/sg/10-about-us/01-our-history/milestones.jsp?year=1924

[Project_Buggy_Beach]

Here is what it looks like to me, a man clothed in a dress, he strategically walks with very rigid and masculine like strides within the frame of the camera, not too long but just long enough and then very cocky makes his face visible to the camera while talking into the device, perhaps establishing bragging rights when he can say to his compatriots take a look at Chaplin’s Circus at time frame segment such and such and see me talking into the communicator.

If we take all of the debunking theories and string them together it begins to sound ludicrous, it’s a butch woman dressed for a very windy day, with no wind present, who is using a hearing aid to hear unknown people who are not visible to us in the frame, all of the devices posted as hearing aids are too large when compared with the slick oval like object the ‘person’ is gripping, and don’t forget this man-woman has an aversion to being filmed this is the flimsy excuse for the hand being up to the mouth while gripping an object, but the hand really doesn’t obstruct the view as much as the costume its wearing does. The hermaphrodite is also quite mad which is revealed once it turns to the camera and boisterously laughs while talking into thin air. :loco:

[Debby]

Is this a time-traveller in a Charlie Chaplin film? Footage from 1928 shows woman 'using a mobile phone'
Perhaps she really is a time-traveller, sent back through the decades to make a jaw-dropping cameo appearance.

Or maybe she was a maverick genius, secretly testing out advanced technology for the government and caught on camera at the wrong moment.

Whatever the explanation, this footage from a Charlie Chaplin promotional film in 1928 showing a woman apparently using a mobile phone has left viewers stumped.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1324132/1928-Charlie-Chaplin-film-mobile-phone-time-travelling-mystery.html#ixzz13Zx5RPvd


The baffling scene is found in the extras section of The Circus and shows members of the public attending the premiere of the film at Manns Chinese Theatre in Hollywood.
The short piece of footage shows an older woman dressed in a coat and hat with her hand held up to the left-hand side of her face as she talks.

There is no one around for her to be speaking to apart from a suited man who strides on ahead at the beginning of the shot.
Even her gestures and behaviour as she 'talks' will be eerily familiar to modern-day viewers as she appears to stop, mid-sentence, during her apparent conversation.

The bizarre anachronism was unearthed by film buff George Clark on his Charlie Chaplin box set

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1324132/1928-Charlie-Chaplin-film-mobile-phone-time-travelling-mystery.html#ixzz13ZqnEoaJ
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[Operator]

here's another theory:

Clif said that a woman would pop up in the media and later we would realize that she was indeed an extra terrestrial but now we cannot find any reference to track her back ....

This would fit the scenario ... :confused:

Maybe my memory is not accurate ... please correct me if I'm wrong.

[42]

I'll be the first here to put my hand up admitting that i talk to myself.

Not all teh time.... and definately not around other people :P just adds some sound when you're in a gigantic server room and all you can hear is the vaccuum whine of aircon fan's.

I'll also do odd things in lifts when alone as soon as the doors close. Ie try to spin around while only standing on 1 foot, or pretend to be some uber ninja and roundhouse kick the lift.


Am i the only one who does stuff like this? :madgrin:

no tiga... you are not alone... 3 years ago I spent 2 weeks alone on an uninhabited island in Northern Ontario... I was in a full blown conversation with myself within 20 minutes. I learned a lot about myself from some very heated arguments... with myself. I must say i did not succumb to ninja kicks though... perhaps if i'd stayed in self imposed exile for longer that might have happened.

[Zook]

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Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1324132/1928-Charlie-Chaplin-film-mobile-phone-time-travelling-mystery.html#ixzz13ZqnEoaJ
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Brobdingnagian beluga whales! I thought we corked this thread and set it adrift on the peaceful ocean?! Well ... since it's still here, let me give you another angle. Dictaphone. Portable wax cylinder dictaphone. She was dictating notes to herself.

Well, it's either that or some overstretched elastic band at Pine Glades Happy House heard voices coming from his stack of pancakes. Upon rolling one up, he heard the voices become clearer. Realizing the potential of a new pancake communications technology, our little moonbeam probably made a break while the others were rolling balls on the grass. There can be little doubt he was heading for the nearest patent office to register his discovery. I mean, wouldn't you? To escape unnoticed, he donned on lady's outerwear. And if you look closely at his left hand, you can almost make out a rolled-up pancake. Practically cinches it, if you ask me.

"Incredible ... simply amazing, Holmes!"

Thank you, Watson.

:boxing:

[Arpheus]

Hi Debby i know this is totally off topic but with all due respect you are beautiful,just wanted to let you know in case you never got told that !:o

[Thodin303]

This must be wide spread on the internet. I was just looking at Google Trends (Oct. 28) and "charlie chaplin time traveler" was number 15.

[friamin]

‎"Scotty I said Holodeck 5 with Charlie Chan not Charlie Chaplin"