Do we have any Vegans in the house?

[mpod001]

Hey guys,

I'm hoping that some of you are vegan! I am looking for some recipe ideas and support in transitioning from vegetarian to vegan :)

Love to all

Martin xx

[AriG]

I would love to be vegan. I would love to be vegetarian for that matter. Unfortunately, if I were to try, I'd starve due to health issues and complete gluten/grain intolerance.

My only advice for you is to make sure you get iron and B12 into your diet somehow as well as good fats (avocados, olive oil, etc).

I envy your ability to do this. Congratulations on making a conscious choice for the betterment of the world!

[DeDukshyn]

Two members here, Akashic and Abhaya are who you are looking for -- I think one of them may have a vegan recipe thread here somewhere ...

Being a vegan requires more careful eating than not being one, so ensure you get your nutrients for maximal success.

Good luck!

[mpod001]

Thanks guys!

I have some nutritional yeast with added b-12 and I get loads of iron from spinach hehe! I grow a lot of my own foods and spinach is kind of taking over one of my raised beds hehe!

AriG are you celiac or something?

[AriG]

Thanks guys!

I have some nutritional yeast with added b-12 and I get loads of iron from spinach hehe! I grow a lot of my own foods and spinach is kind of taking over one of my raised beds hehe!

AriG are you celiac or something?

Well, it is difficult to tell. The only way to diagnose celiac is to continue to consume grains. The only way to cure celiac is to stop eating grains... he he. I actually have HE/SREAT. Many of those with just Hashimoto's have celiac symptoms. I have a double whammy. I so miss bread!

[Metaphor]

Hi Mpod001,
Im not vegan, but I cook for 30 vegans every day as I am a skilled vegetarian chef. I make veggie food for 600 people a day at the school I work for, and I have 30 vegans eating daily. So if you ever get stuck feel free to contact me with a PM for cooking advice or inspiration. Also I could help to sort out some of the buts and whys regarding meat-substitutes. Asking me for a recipe would be kind of fruitless, as all food is cooked without any real recipes, we more rely on inspiration and experience.

[angelfire]

AriG, I sympathise with your missing bread. Have you tried making pancakes with gram (chickpea) flour? Delicious!

[Omni]

I am also looking for more vegan recipes. I'm not vegan... But I do like vegan eating and agree with the ideas mainly.


...PM for cooking advice...

Could you say some vegan cooking advice in this thread so more people can see it? I would appreciate it. :) If you do not want to that is totally fine too though. Up to you.

[mpod001]

I make my own almond milk which is super easy! Just soak a handful of almonds overnight and drain them in the morning. Add to a blender and add about 750mls of water...blitz...strain it all through a cheese cloth and hey presto...almost free milk haha!


Metaphor - Thank you so much for your kindness :) it would be great if you could add a few tit bits for everyone here too :) x

[Elainie]

I am a vegan with celiac and Hashimoto's. What sort of recipes are you looking for? We do mostly raw foods (especially now in hot weather).

[Omni]

I am a vegan with celiac and Hashimoto's. What sort of recipes are you looking for? We do mostly raw foods (especially now in hot weather).

I like black beans a lot for one in some recipes. Maybe one or some with those?

[Libico]

I've been vegan for one year and can recommend some great sites with recipes:

http://vegangela.com/2011/04/07/everyday-healthy-truffles/ - My favorite site already linked to one of the tastiest healthy dessert recipes I've ever had. Everything I've tried to make from there turns out great and she has pictures of each step to whet your appetite.

http://ohsheglows.com/ - Another great site - site became so popular she put our a book which a veggie friend raves about. Many gluten free and raw recipes there as well.

I think for many the biggest obstacle is giving up milk products and eggs - you've already discovered almond milk and I would suggest trying hazelnut milk as well. There are also great substitutes you can use for eggs when baking/cooking such as banana or ground up flax seed+water depending on the type of dish.

Nutritional Yeast is my new favorite food and you can make some great cheese sauces or even vegan cheese using it. I notice you're in the UK so I can recommend Cheezly pepper jack cheese - a favorite dish of mine (when I can find the cheese here) is to throw 2 cans of black beans, 1 onion, 2-3 tomatoes, 4 cloves of garlic (can use less - I love garlic) and jalapeno peppers into a pyrex dish and cover with cheese. Bake for 20 min until cheese is melted and enjoy - no other spices needed! Ommiverse, this can work for you with regular cheese as well - it was a staple comfort dish for me for years.

Another new favorite food is making popcorn, spraying with olive oil, putting copious amounts of nutritional yeast + spices - I use a spice mix with cayenne pepper, black pepper, onion powder, and garlic powder. A yummy spicy cheesy popcorn that beats anything I've ever had.

I hope the transition is easy for you!

[Metaphor]

The transition can be hard for some, especially during travel. In some parts of the world being vegan will be a test.
Some points:
-When boiling beans/lentils etc. Never use the soak water to boil. Change water to go easy on your stomach.
-use nuts,broccoli,spinach and parsley en masse to stay healthy.
-Be vary of soyproducts, check its origin. Since you live in europe, go for european and 100%organic. There are great proteinboosting products nowadays made from hemp and wheatprotein. Id go for that.
Ill get back, have to go.
Cheers

[Elainie]

My advice would be to go for whole foods veganism and be very wary of faux meat products as well as faux cheese products (Daiya for example) as these are all highly processed foods often with gluten (bad for the gut) etc; Keep things simple. I make most if not everything from scratch including fermented nut and seed cheeses, raw coconut yogurt and kefirs, fermented veggies, juices etc; We are not big on grains or beans and as a whole the house avoids grains (since my oldest daughters tend toward inflammation and I have auto-immune) so we stick to gut healing protocols (only sugar comes from whole fruit, diet has very little legumes etc).
A couple of things I make on a daily basis for my kids: Chia porridge for breakfast, soak chia seeds in raw almond or other nut milk , layer with a fresh fruit puree (sometimes I make a raw jam using raw fruit and dates) berries and I top it with raw coconut shreds. We do fresh raw vegetable juices daily, dinner will often consist of a raw green soup along with a raw pasta dish (always a hit with my toddler) such as zucchini pasta with various sauces or kelp pasta (again with various sauces).
Tonight's menu is raw creamy carrot soup and Vietnamese rolls with an almond butter dipping sauce (again my kids love this dish).

There are plenty of great blogs too (above mentioned Oh She Glows is great and I have the book) I can list some other blogs later.

[Elainie]

http://withrawintentions.com/


http://vidyacleanse.com/recipes/


http://www.fullyraw.com/



http://ascensionkitchen.com/recipes/




http://golubkakitchen.com/



http://alessandra-veganblog.blogspot.co.nz/



http://www.mynewroots.org/site/



http://www.thisrawsomeveganlife.com/

[Zaya]

I am not a Vegan, but I am vegetarian and I make a lot of Vegan friendly recipes in the mix. Question: Do you like spices? Do you like them a lot? Cooking indian inspired dishes is one of the best ways to get your nutrients in when cutting out meat. I cook a LOT of Dal loaded with veggies. You can do Dals in the crockpot too. I am a self proclaimed crock-pot addict.

[AriG]

I am a vegan with celiac and Hashimoto's. What sort of recipes are you looking for? We do mostly raw foods (especially now in hot weather).

I like black beans a lot for one in some recipes. Maybe one or some with those?

Just a note for anyone with an autoimmune or inflammatory condition - dried beans can be inflammatory. Green beans, not so much. Just an fyi. :)

[RunningDeer]

Thanks for all the tips and links! I’ve copied and getting ready to run out to the market.

UPDATE: I deleted because the protein product needs further research. See ERK's post #19 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?72786-Do-we-have-any-Vegans-in-the-house&p=851064&viewfull=1#post851064).

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[Elainie]

Thanks for all the tips and links! I’ve copied and getting ready to run out to the market.

I’m not a vegan. I was mostly macrobiotic since the last 1980’s. I attended the “Kushi Institute,” Kiental, Switzerland, for “Lifestyle and Cooking” certification, in 1992. Today, my focus is on healthy foods and I follow my intuition. I do eat meat at my friends’ and family’s homes.

A new product came in a couple of days ago from, Garden of Life, called, “Raw Protein: Beyond Organic Protein Formula (http://www.vitacost.com/garden-of-life-raw-protein-beyond-organic-protein-formula-unflavored-22-oz)”. It’s raw, vegan, gluten free, dairy free. After reading the product reviews I purchased the unflavored rather than the vanilla.

I made a half and half drink: protein powder and a batch of my veggie juice which consisted of carrot, apple, ginger root. I tossed in almond butter and vanilla.


Garden of Life Raw Protein REVIEW
Other protein products are mention here as well.
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I used to be a macrobiotic teacher myself. In fact my ex husband used to teach in Kiental.


Yes AriG- this is why we don't eat legumes. I have made lentils a few times in the past few years but they are just too *rough* for us. My two older daughters grew up on a macrobiotic diet and I think they and I became super sensitive to grains and beans which is why we avoid them. They create inflammation for us. IMO the success of a plant based diet comes down to gut bacteria and genetics (I'm of the genetic type that thrives on plant based) and many people will have to make adjustments/do some gut protocols in order to assimilate plant fibre.


Also be careful with certain plant proteins. Some are contaminated with heavy metals.

http://www.naturalnews.com/043759_garden_of_life_raw_protein_heavy_metals.html

http://www.naturalnews.com/045108_vegan_proteins_heavy_metals_laboratory_test_results.html

[RunningDeer]

http://www.naturalnews.com/043759_garden_of_life_raw_protein_heavy_metals.html

http://www.naturalnews.com/045108_vegan_proteins_heavy_metals_laboratory_test_results.html

Thanks for these links, ERK! I was about to order more.


I used to be a macrobiotic teacher myself. In fact my ex husband used to teach in Kiental.
Small world. The outward bound & Shiatsu certification was part of the program.

[aheb]

I can tell you some wonderfull comfort food. boil some pasta, when it is almost done then add some broccoli, then when that has cooked add some peas to the still warm mix.then drain and put in a bowl add a cup of bisto gravy....stick in fridge then when you want to serve it, microwave and add salt and pepper and soy sauce ( soy sauce is a natural glutamate, i.e flavour enhancer
.also a lot of the "linda mccartney range" are vegan e.g sausages, pies, sausage rolls.good for a quick fix.as are stuff like spring rolls and some samosas and bahjis

[ThresholdRising]

I'm 99% vegetarian myself. Just recently got a slow cooker I have to put in use. I mainly eat stir fry veg with noodles, quite a few veg pizzas and drink 5 a day smoothies and wheatgrass juice(excellent vegan protein source).

[The Truth Is In There]

just a tip once you've become a vegan - if at some point you notice your health deteriorating it probably means you're not ready to eat only plant food yet.

i tried vegetarianism and veganism myself and it didn't work at the time. i even thought veganism is madness because it's so unhealthy. it depends, though.

what you need to know is that our bodies don't need certain vitamins or other physical compounds but their vibration. my current assumption is that once coherence is established in all the bodies (physical, etc.) and the chakras are working properly, it will not only be possible but is recommended to eat only plant food (or no food at all, in a later stage). the physical body will then receive all the energy it needs via the chakras. in most people they're pretty clogged, though, and their bodies are too chaotic so the physical body has to be supplied with all the energy it needs from physical food, which includes the vitamins etc. in their physical form - that is, from animal sources in certain cases.

so if at some point you notice that you're not ready yet, it's better to give the body what i craves before it begins to break down. b12 is stored in the liver and can last several years but if it's not replenished that will lead to problems. incidentally, some vegans in forums mentioned that at some point they developed an intense craving for raw liver!

[Mac]

When i was vegetarian i craved liver and onion dishes after a few months,so you may be onto something T t i in t. I never succumbed and what negated it was a bit of fish now and again, which i feel uneasy about when i do have it.Eating out can be a pain as very few round here have a decent veg menu so i hardly go to restaurants anymore,which is something we used to do at least once a week.That said there is something soul satisfying about shopping for good organic veg and cooking it.My sister and daughter are both vegans and have more energy and vigour than most of their peers.What i found is, a veggie diet definitely de-stresses/ chills you out,plus you feel cleaner for the want of a better word.Good luck to the OP happy eating.8)

[Elainie]

I personally don't chance it as far as B12 is concerned and I recommend people get nutrient testing done (I like Spectracell's intracellular nutrient test) and not leave anything up to chance as far as obtaining optimal nutrient levels (I swear by vegetable juicing). Some vegans take on an orange skin color when B12 gets low (been there before years ago). Having never craved meat etc; I just take methyl B12. I grew up veg too but my mom had me taking a multi. You have to be really careful when choosing multi's IMO as many are contaminated with heavy metals and some studies show multi's may not be a healthy item to consume.

[Marc Barrie]

here's a good resource with nutrition tips and great recipes -->

http://www.nomeatathlete.com/vegetarian-recipes-for-athletes/

good article on vegetarian protein from there: http://www.nomeatathlete.com/vegetarian-protein-primer/

green smoothies are a great way to get a lot of your daily requirements -->

http://www.amazon.com/Green-Smoothie-Revolution-Radical-Towards-ebook/dp/B003K15IEY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqHRxr4a2-o

[The Truth Is In There]

during my vegan experiment phase i took a number of supplements incl. b12 shots. i'll not do any of this again because it messes with the body. it's like putting chemicals in the ground to make things grow faster and bigger, only they taste like crap. the body will tell you in his own way when something is missing in the diet through cravings. these must not be ignored or fought. they show that a person is not yet at the point where veganism (or breatharianism, as the next step) is the right diet. ignoring them will definitely lead to reduced health, not improved health as it should be.

[Robin]

Honestly, as a vegan, I don't feel it is necessary to bother myself with recipes. Nothing makes me more content than to harvest a potato, boil it, and eat it as it is. Or plucking a tomato fresh off the plant and eating it whole, without spices. I feel that spices and complex concoctions of food stuffs take away the integrity of the plants that we eat. Fruits and vegetables are bursting with flavor as they are, and I like to be mindful the way I eat all of my food. Also, when I do cook my food to prepare a special dish, I hardly ever follow recipes. Following recipes is boring, and I prefer to experiment and follow my own inner guidance. I'm not much of a follower...

[Pris]

I do everything like a vegan, except I eat eggs. ;)

Since I don't eat 'properly' per se (lol), there are a few things I eat almost daily to keep my health up. Like you, I make sure I have the nutritional yeast and sprinkle it on my dinner. I also have ground flax seed and tear up raw seaweed. And, I use molasses, extra-virgin olive oil and coconut oil.

Most recently, I 'discovered' Agar-Agar, a gelatin made from seaweed. Apparently, it's a great replacement for animal gelatin :yuck: and has all (if not more) of the benefits. It's amazing all the fun and yummy stuff you can make with it.

And, you might want to soak your seeds and nuts before you eat them. Ever tried sprouting your own seeds? If not, try sprouting whole lentils -- they're easy and they never fail! :biggrin:

[Pris]

during my vegan experiment phase i took a number of supplements incl. b12 shots. i'll not do any of this again because it messes with the body. it's like putting chemicals in the ground to make things grow faster and bigger, only they taste like crap. the body will tell you in his own way when something is missing in the diet through cravings. these must not be ignored or fought. they show that a person is not yet at the point where veganism (or breatharianism, as the next step) is the right diet. ignoring them will definitely lead to reduced health, not improved health as it should be.

I think 'fruitarianism' is in there somewhere. :lol:

[The Truth Is In There]

during my vegan experiment phase i took a number of supplements incl. b12 shots. i'll not do any of this again because it messes with the body. it's like putting chemicals in the ground to make things grow faster and bigger, only they taste like crap. the body will tell you in his own way when something is missing in the diet through cravings. these must not be ignored or fought. they show that a person is not yet at the point where veganism (or breatharianism, as the next step) is the right diet. ignoring them will definitely lead to reduced health, not improved health as it should be.

I think 'fruitarianism' is in there somewhere. :lol:

yeah, that's for people who don't mind getting fatty liver disease and candida overgrowth, or those ignorant of the effects of excessive fructose consumption.

[Pris]

during my vegan experiment phase i took a number of supplements incl. b12 shots. i'll not do any of this again because it messes with the body. it's like putting chemicals in the ground to make things grow faster and bigger, only they taste like crap. the body will tell you in his own way when something is missing in the diet through cravings. these must not be ignored or fought. they show that a person is not yet at the point where veganism (or breatharianism, as the next step) is the right diet. ignoring them will definitely lead to reduced health, not improved health as it should be.

I think 'fruitarianism' is in there somewhere. :lol:

yeah, that's for people who don't mind getting fatty liver disease and candida overgrowth, or those ignorant of the effects of excessive fructose consumption.

Now, fructose. That's an interesting subject. I don't 'believe' it when they say that naturally occurring fructose is metabolized the same way as the manufactured stuff.

And, it's good not to eat fruit with anything else (like bread). It's when it mixes with other food, then you can get into problems.

The best thing to do is to try it on your own body. Everybody is different, of course. What works for one person may not work for another. It's not so 'cut-and-dried'.

But, this is supposed to be about vegan recipes. I'm new here and I don't want to get into trouble. :o

[sirayah]

Hi Martin, I went vegan 5 months ago...was vegetarian for a long while on and off...I recently found Dr. Robert Morse and his information and guidance regarding detoxing the lymph system and moving towards a fruitarian lifestyle has been life altering...there is a great FB page and a website and many youtube vids...
I did some iridology to monitor changes in my body and was amazed and the changes just 3 months vegan produced in my body...really cleans you up!!
https://www.facebook.com/groups/141078089311877/
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC0ZBff-hRPchbXSe2o-aZdA

Morse also incorporates herbs to assist the genetic weaknesses and glandulars to support glands which are not functioning...all comes down to moving waste out of the cells!

[Pris]

I do everything like a vegan, except I eat eggs. ;)

I've decided to stop eating eggs.

I just wanted to let everyone know that today I'm going back to being a vegan. :cool:

[The Truth Is In There]

Now, fructose. [...] The best thing to do is to try it on your own body.

yes, by all means! i encourage every potential fruitarian who thinks eating lots of fruits (or juicing them...the more the better! all those wonderful vitamins, nevermind the sugar...) is healthy to test it for themselves. keep a close eye on your triglyceride levels while you're at it.

[Pris]

Now, fructose. [...] The best thing to do is to try it on your own body.

yes, by all means! i encourage every potential fruitarian who thinks eating lots of fruits (or juicing them...the more the better! all those wonderful vitamins, nevermind the sugar...) is healthy to test it for themselves. keep a close eye on your triglyceride levels while you're at it.

Do I hear a hint of sarcasm? ;)

Fruitarianism... some people swear by it. And, it's not all just fruit.

Regardless, I know if I eat anything, I should eat more fruit. :becky:

[Robin]

Now, fructose. [...] The best thing to do is to try it on your own body.

yes, by all means! i encourage every potential fruitarian who thinks eating lots of fruits (or juicing them...the more the better! all those wonderful vitamins, nevermind the sugar...) is healthy to test it for themselves. keep a close eye on your triglyceride levels while you're at it.

The definition of a fruit is simply a "ripened ovary." That being said, are you also aware that tomatoes, cucumber, olives, avocados, and squash are also, by definition, fruits? If you want to go further, beans and nuts are technically fruit as well. And guess what? They are not loaded with fructose!

So drop your unnecessary, uninformed, sarcasm...

[The Truth Is In There]

Now, fructose. [...] The best thing to do is to try it on your own body.

yes, by all means! i encourage every potential fruitarian who thinks eating lots of fruits (or juicing them...the more the better! all those wonderful vitamins, nevermind the sugar...) is healthy to test it for themselves. keep a close eye on your triglyceride levels while you're at it.

The definition of a fruit is simply a "ripened ovary." That being said, are you also aware that tomatoes, cucumber, olives, avocados, and squash are also, by definition, fruits? If you want to go further, beans and nuts are technically fruit as well. And guess what? They are not loaded with fructose!

So drop your unnecessary, uninformed, sarcasm...

[informed sarcasm on] by your definition even human fetuses are fruits. yummy... [informed sarcasm off]

[Pris]

Now, fructose. [...] The best thing to do is to try it on your own body.

yes, by all means! i encourage every potential fruitarian who thinks eating lots of fruits (or juicing them...the more the better! all those wonderful vitamins, nevermind the sugar...) is healthy to test it for themselves. keep a close eye on your triglyceride levels while you're at it.

The definition of a fruit is simply a "ripened ovary." That being said, are you also aware that tomatoes, cucumber, olives, avocados, and squash are also, by definition, fruits? If you want to go further, beans and nuts are technically fruit as well. And guess what? They are not loaded with fructose!

So drop your unnecessary, uninformed, sarcasm...

[informed sarcasm on] by your definition even human fetuses are fruits. yummy... [informed sarcasm off]


This is not just SamwiseTheBrave's definition. :croc:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ovary_%28plants%29

[Elainie]

There are those who thrive on high fruit diets (Micheal Arnstein for example) and those that don't. IMO a lot depends on genetics and metabolism as well as one's level of physical activity. I tend to just eat raw fruit up until dinner and then eat something savory then- it works for me and I have very low triglyceride levels as well as insulin levels. I am active daily though (I run 4-5 miles, bike, lift weights and do yoga).

[Robin]

Now, fructose. [...] The best thing to do is to try it on your own body.

yes, by all means! i encourage every potential fruitarian who thinks eating lots of fruits (or juicing them...the more the better! all those wonderful vitamins, nevermind the sugar...) is healthy to test it for themselves. keep a close eye on your triglyceride levels while you're at it.

The definition of a fruit is simply a "ripened ovary." That being said, are you also aware that tomatoes, cucumber, olives, avocados, and squash are also, by definition, fruits? If you want to go further, beans and nuts are technically fruit as well. And guess what? They are not loaded with fructose!

So drop your unnecessary, uninformed, sarcasm...

by your definition even human fetuses are fruits. yummy... [informed sarcasm off]

Really? You think you're being clever with that one?

Ripened ovaries in [I]plants are fruit. Ripened ovaries in animals are fetuses.

[Polyamine]

I am not vegan, but I have experimented with different eating styles in an attempt to find which diet was the most beneficial to my long term health. Vegan was one of those style I studied. To obtain long term health and wellness, the bacteria in your GI tract must be at optimal levels. For me, the method of eating that is most beneficial is vegetarian 90% of the time and eating meat a couple times a week. Vegans and vegetarians don't consume enough B-12 and supplementing isn't sufficient form many with methylation pathway mutations. I have several mutations, 1298 and 699, that would be an issue with a vegan lifestyle. We need the extra protein from meat IMO, but not much. Certainly not what most Americans eat.

[Pris]

Other sources for B12 anyone?

http://www.vegfamily.com/vegan-view/vitamin-b12.htm

[Elainie]

I am not vegan, but I have experimented with different eating styles in an attempt to find which diet was the most beneficial to my long term health. Vegan was one of those style I studied. To obtain long term health and wellness, the bacteria in your GI tract must be at optimal levels. For me, the method of eating that is most beneficial is vegetarian 90% of the time and eating meat a couple times a week. Vegans and vegetarians don't consume enough B-12 and supplementing isn't sufficient form many with methylation pathway mutations. I have several mutations, 1298 and 699, that would be an issue with a vegan lifestyle. We need the extra protein from meat IMO, but not much. Certainly not what most Americans eat.


I am homo for 1298, my twin daughters also have 677 mutation (is that what you meant), but we thrive on all plant. It is very dependent on one's native gut population as I believe I mentioned earlier in the thread. That said the B12 issue IMO is an issue and certainly calls into question what is the optimal diet for man. Many of the Blue Zones eat small amounts of animal foods (fish, raw goat dairy, one population eats eggs too). I don't do well with eggs, they are very inflammatory for my body and the only animal food I ever did *well* with was occasional fish which I don't eat because of the contamination aspect.

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Other sources for B12 anyone?

http://www.vegfamily.com/vegan-view/vitamin-b12.htm



Meat eaters can also have low B12 levels (parasites etc).

[Polyamine]

I am homo for 1298, my twin daughters also have 677 mutation (is that what you meant), but we thrive on all plant. It is very dependent on one's native gut population as I believe I mentioned earlier in the thread. That said the B12 issue IMO is an issue and certainly calls into question what is the optimal diet for man. Many of the Blue Zones eat small amounts of animal foods (fish, raw goat dairy, one population eats eggs too). I don't do well with eggs, they are very inflammatory for my body and the only animal food I ever did *well* with was occasional fish which I don't eat because of the contamination aspect.

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Other sources for B12 anyone?
http://www.vegfamily.com/vegan-view/vitamin-b12.htm
Meat eaters can also have low B12 levels (parasites etc).

The 699 is the Cystathione Beta Synthase mutation and too much protein can lead to increased ammonia levels with high nitrogen intake. I'd rather have the 699 than the 677 that your daughters have.

I have parasite and that is what has caused me do dramatically reduce protein intake. You can supplement around your daughter's mutation, unless I get rid of my parasites, I'll be screwed from here on out.

[Elainie]

I am homo for 1298, my twin daughters also have 677 mutation (is that what you meant), but we thrive on all plant. It is very dependent on one's native gut population as I believe I mentioned earlier in the thread. That said the B12 issue IMO is an issue and certainly calls into question what is the optimal diet for man. Many of the Blue Zones eat small amounts of animal foods (fish, raw goat dairy, one population eats eggs too). I don't do well with eggs, they are very inflammatory for my body and the only animal food I ever did *well* with was occasional fish which I don't eat because of the contamination aspect.

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Other sources for B12 anyone?
http://www.vegfamily.com/vegan-view/vitamin-b12.htm
Meat eaters can also have low B12 levels (parasites etc).

The 699 is the Cystathione Beta Synthase mutation and too much protein can lead to increased ammonia levels with high nitrogen intake. I'd rather have the 699 than the 677 that your daughters have.

I have parasite and that is what has caused me do dramatically reduce protein intake. You can supplement around your daughter's mutation, unless I get rid of my parasites, I'll be screwed from here on out.

I'd have to go look but I am pretty certain I have 699 .