Is water a natural right or a need?

[Michael Moewes]

Hi. I just got very upset about what Nestle is doing on the global market.
After getting deeper into the matter I decided to boycot all nestle products, wich will be difficult but possible.
Check this out:
http://urbantimes.co/2013/06/nestle-the-global-search-for-liquid-gold/

[Observer1964]

As I dont believe natural rights exsists I vote that it is a need. Just like food, clean air, love, happyness, etc..

[Michael Moewes]

I refered to the quote from Nestle. I think Water and everything you added is a nescecity and therefore should not be handled in this way.

[MorningFox]

It's undeniably a need. Personally I don't really understand the concept of rights, they don't really exist in my view...

[Matt P]

Water is both a need and a right, in my opinion. None of us can live without it and no one should be able to claim a higher share than anyone else.
I did something very liberating at the start of 2014. I live in a suburban neighborhood and built a structure to collect rain water and now produce all the drinking and cooking water for my family of 4 and 3 pets. We filter it through a Berkey and the water is soooo much better than filtered tap or bottled water and we are saving hundreds per year now. It's the funniest thing because we are all practically addicted to this water. It's weird drinking water from anywhere else so we take ours wherever we go. Once you are drinking water you know is free of chlorine, flouride, pharmaceuticals and the hundreds of other chemicals, there is no going back. I say all this because in some places in this country what my family is doing is illegal and I have a feeling that the PTB will try to make this so in many other places as a way to control us. But I believe I should have the inherent human right to save and consume the water that falls from the sky onto my modest little square of the world, just like every other living creature.

Matt

[778 neighbour of some guy]

A natural need, we're a salty bag of water ourselves and we evaporate a lot of it just by being us doing nothing, stick a 1000 of us in a closed tent and it will start raining within the inside of the tent probably in less than a hour, that how much water we shed just by breathing and being what we are, its a natural need.

[Observer1964]

It's undeniably a need. Personally I don't really understand the concept of rights, they don't really exist in my view...
The problem I see with rights is that when you need them the most they seem to evaporate.
Any dictator ignores all the human rights.
As far as I am concerned rights are a fairytail to keep ignorant ppl happy.

The only true natural right is the right of the strongest, in our system that has transformed to the right of the richest (financially strong), or the right of the smartest (intellectually strong) etc...

If we have equal rights to the rich, then why are the police always protecting the rich against their victims (us)?

Talking about water... we all need it, so we better join forces and (together, unified) be stronger than those who want to take our water.

But that means getting strong in all possible diciplins, basicly organising ourselves into a union that is basicly both meritocratic and direct democratic in nature and take our rights in our own hands.

The rights we have been given so far are mere privilidges that can be just as easily taken as given. A true right can't be taken.

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[ghostrider]

it is something everyone needs , it's the whole reason most of the planet is covered with water , life came from water , babies spend their first 9 months in water , everything that lives must have water ... it should be free , we will run out of air before water ... the greatest resource on earth , visible , and the controllers designed a way to make money from it ... sad

[doodah]

Water is a need, a necessity, for life, along with the other things mentioned. There has never been a "fair distribution" of water on this planet. Humans have lived where they can -- which means where they have access to drinkable water. Oceans don't count for humans and other land animals and plants since oceans are salt water and not drinkable unless put through a desalinization process.

Ever since the Romans built aqueducts to carry water into Rome and thereby sustain a large city (an artificial environment), the question of water rights (a legal term) has been quite complicated.

You might rather ask if there is a "right to life." The two are linked. Without water, there cannot be life. Even those species adapted to live in deserts require at least small amounts of water.

Nestle, as a corporation having "personhood" under the law [what a ridiculous concept!] claims that its non-living "life" is more important than the lives of actual living people, animals, and plants. And so, this is the ridiculous situation we have on Planet Earth. The law is twisted and backed up by guns.

Pope Francis has said that this planet needs to become more people-centered. Whatever you think about this Pope, that's a very enlightened statement.

[OMG]

Everything is a natural right since we didn't create nature.

The problem is that people want survival first, then power over others, hence follow the law of the jungle.

The law of Love is superior.

:angel:

[Observer1964]

anyway, if nesstle gets away with this, the next will be oxygen.

[Observer1964]

http://s28.postimg.org/js7bplf0t/water_R.jpg

[Ellisa]

Water is a need, as we will die without it, and quickly. Here, because of recent droughts, many of us have water tanks in our homes, and also in our public parks and sports grounds. They are mostly for rainwater though some recycle waste water. I do not understand how it is possible to ban collection of water that falls from the sky. It is like using sunshine to dry your clothes!

[Kelly Anne]

Oh...Nestle...they've been tapping northern Michigan for their Ice Mountain label for so so so many years.... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_Mountain_(water)

My aunt and uncle live in Manistee and had mentioned it to family members early on...predicting how Nestle would be a player in 'water'. They were called crazy and chuckled at by some...not me...I thought it just sadly made sense at the time :/

Nestle...they want to control it all...

[Shezbeth]

To me the answer is simple. If the issue pertaining to sufficiency needs becomes one of legality, then illegality is the obvious answer.

I have said it before, and I will say again; the time has come for some ninjas hit.

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Just sayin'.

[Matt P]

Shezbeth, damn I like that poster! I feel a lot less guilty! :thumb:

[Lifebringer]

If the Creator gave us clouds percipitation and water, who are the selfish jerks trying to own what it takes to sustain life. They are taking this monopoly schtick, too far. I knew this would start as soon as they started buying up all the natural springs for distribution. Now they just process the tap, it's not even spring water, so instead of going out of "spring water business, because they have most of them and production is high in desert war zones where tap water isn't available. They are causing wars, in desert areas, and selling the water and charging our governement where they 'eminent domain the springs and well waters" buy it up from our citizens to live. You know babies need sterilized water and such, these greedy farts won't care if your kid has water. If you pay the price you can give some to your child. They will have our life resources rationed so they obtain the highest profits and people die of dehydration.

Leave our children and grandchildren at the mercy of these greed R us corporations? I don't think so.

[Lifebringer]

anyway, if nesstle gets away with this, the next will be oxygen.

They're already selling the port or tanks of air. Now they will continue to poison the skies, andsteal the water and rain rights of the people for the corporate people. If we get one more conservative NEOCon judge, this life giving resource will be given to the 1%, and well be rationed until disease hits us. WE need the psychos out now people.

[Michael Moewes]

Therefore I boycot all their products.

[pathaka]

Nestle has been at this for over 10 years.


Their attitude or stance has not changed. The original quote about water rights came from documentary "Corporation" that was released in 2003. I recommend that to anybody who hasn't seen that.

All of the big multis have pretty much the same stance. Coca Cola also, which btw has been pumping dry aquifers in India in order to sell their sugary poison to farmers and make them get metabolic syndrome and type 2 diabetes....

That's how the world works. The companies do NOT give a rat's bottom about you, as long as you can pay for their products. If not, you can die off. It's as simple as that.

The only way to resist this? Don't buy ANY of their products from any of their subsidiaries:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-hHFRX5WlsCI/TioZB0qUt5I/AAAAAAAAAYg/-4_GkHyU5D0/s0/nestle_brands_.jpg

http://images.forwallpaper.com/files/thumbs/preview/15/156212__brands-brand-advertising-manufacturers-kraft-coca-cola-nestle-pepsico-mars-weigley-pepsi_p.jpg

[blake]

It's undeniably a need. Personally I don't really understand the concept of rights, they don't really exist in my view...

Interesting, but what about your right to exist, your right to live, your right to choose who you associate with and who you don;t. There are many people who like to control other people. Some people like to take away other people's right to life. Some people like to take away other people's right to choose who they associate with. There are many natural rights that so many people like to control. And when you don;t acknowledge a natural right, well that makes it so easy for the people who like to control others to control other humans.
If you don;t have a right to life, then who is above you in this earthy world of our to decide your right to exist or not?

[Observer1964]

I like how George Carlin Puts it;
You have unlimited rights or you have no rights at all

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[wnlight]

Sometimes cement can do great good. Sometimes people must rise up and do the right thing. Water could be the issue that wakes up a lot of them.

Back in the 1970s the Fox river, close to where we lived in Illinois, was very polluted. The pollution was caused by factories draining their waste into the river. The polluting corporations could save a lot of money by paying the small fines levied against them. Then there was "The Fox" which was one or more anonymous activists that began cementing and blocking the waste drains of the factories along the river. The Fox was hated by authorities, but supported by the community. This went on for a number of years, and the river cleared up. The 'friends of fox' have continued the effort to keep the river clean. Article here tells the entire story including who The Fox was. http://www.chicagoreader.com/chicago/who-was-that-masked-man/Content?oid=907204

[angelichuman]

Water is a human right. Water is a right for any animal as well. Remember that declaration of human rights? Like we all deserve to be treated with respect and care. No one person or male or female is above the other. Remember when women and blacks were less than? That's what a human right is. What a human right means.