A compassionate way to deal with the illegal aliens

[jagman]

I've been thinking alot about the border crisis we are currently facing.
Since most of these are just children from South America I purpose we
keep them and give them medical attention,schooling and good foster
homes.Their parents should be allowed to visit but Not Gain citizenship
based on us taking their children in.Since the cost of this will be on the
American tax payer shoulder we should deport 2 illegal adults (O.T.M.S
Other Than Mexicans) for every child we take in. I think this would be
a really compassionate way to deal with this crisis.
I should add my reasoning for deporting 2 adult O.T.M.S for every child
O.T.M. we take in. The cost of raising a child to adulthood is far more
expensive than taking in an adult.

[grannyfranny100]

Have you considered that the Republicans want cheap immigrant labor and the Democrats want more minorities who would vote for their candidates? How would you deal with those aspects?

Plus I disagree with separating kids from their parents. The family unit is crucial to the child's development. Taking them from their biological parents is, IMO, more cruel and heartless than shipping them back as an intact family. Lose the love in a family for what - impersonal and often abusive foster care.

I am shocked by your suggestion. Nevertheless, I am glad you brought up the topic, it is surely a a heck of a problem.

[jagman]

Have you considered that the Republicans want cheap immigrant labor and the Democrats want more minorities who would vote for their candidates? How would you deal with those aspects?

Plus I disagree with separating kids from their parents. The family unit is crucial to the child's development. Taking them from their biological parents is, IMO, more cruel and heartless than shipping them back as an intact family. Lose the love in a family for what - impersonal and often abusive foster care.

I am shocked by your suggestion. Nevertheless, I am glad you brought up the topic, it is surely a a heck of a problem.

Let me try an address some of these issues.


Have you considered that the Republicans want cheap immigrant labor and the Democrats want more minorities who would vote for their candidates? How would you deal with those aspects?

If we were to educate these kids and give them the opportunity of every other
American I would not care what side of the political spectrum they fell on.
If these kids wanted to become migrant farm workers or they wanted to become
doctors that would be their choice.


Plus I disagree with separating kids from their parents. The family unit is crucial to the child's development. Taking them from their biological parents is, IMO, more cruel and heartless than shipping them back as an intact family. Lose the love in a family for what - impersonal and often abusive foster care.

We didnt separate these kids from their parents ( The parents did that!)
We should give their parents the opportunity at legal immagration but
not a free pass..The foster system is far from perfect but i'ts still better
than what they came from.

[Realeyes]

“A compassionate way” (for me) would to be to recognise all humans ‘are human’ and avoid separating some humans to be more human than others, and those ‘others’ judged into ‘alien’ boxes of lesser value.

I am British so the word ‘Alien’ to me means something entirely different such as my mind immediately goes thinking of something totally non-human like an unknown civilisation living at the bottom of Ocean or Reptilians living in deep caves in our Earth......

But then I catch myself in such limited thinking and perhaps steering towards racistism as many say these Reptilians are ‘Earth native reptilians’ that have walked this planet longer than me......... so maybe the term Alien no longer fits this shoe either.

Then I think of Sasquatch, they too are not alien rather a type of Hominid sharing this planet with us yet lack governmental authorities tax codes and passports declaring which boundary of grass land they were born onto.

Heck................. We have 52 million human refugees from war torn countries not knowing where there is a blade of grass for them to securely rest their weary heads.......... The Earth Animal Kingdoms are in a similar state of affairs too......

I agree that ‘compassion’ is the solution............. yet to what soul-fullness depth, degree and broadness do we see compassion working in action?

Methinks we as humanity have a lot to learn in order to drop the shackles of slavery mindsets.

As I understand it, within the path of ‘Compassion’ the road leads to Unity that celebrates All Life.

[grannyfranny100]

My mention of political parties refers to how you are going to get your idea into law. I am saying that the two political parties have their own agendas which you must address if you want your idea to be a reality. And you would need to get state governments to agree, too. A considerable percentage of CA's financial problems is the additional burden of medical care and education of the illegals. You must account for the consequences of your ideas if you want your idea to be part of reality.

[truth4me]

I said this before and say this again the only ones with a true gripe is the Native American Indians.Did they ask the white man to come here on their land? Enough said.....

[jagman]

My mention of political parties refers to how you are going to get your idea into law. I am saying that the two political parties have their own agendas which you must address if you want your idea to be a reality. And you would need to get state governments to agree, too. A considerable percentage of CA's financial problems is the additional burden of medical care and education of the illegals. You must account for the consequences of your ideas if you want your idea to be part of reality.

My solution would be to deport 2, O.T.M.S adults per one O.T.M child we take in.
The cost would offset each other.The labor situation of Mexico would not factor
since were talking about South America. It's not a perfect answer to this problem
but I could see the GOP or the Dems getting behind such a plan.

[jagman]

“A compassionate way” (for me) would to be to recognise all humans ‘are human’ and avoid separating some humans to be more human than others, and those ‘others’ judged into ‘alien’ boxes of lesser value.

I am British so the word ‘Alien’ to me means something entirely different such as my mind immediately goes thinking of something totally non-human like an unknown civilisation living at the bottom of Ocean or Reptilians living in deep caves in our Earth......

But then I catch myself in such limited thinking and perhaps steering towards racistism as many say these Reptilians are ‘Earth native reptilians’ that have walked this planet longer than me......... so maybe the term Alien no longer fits this shoe either.

Then I think of Sasquatch, they too are not alien rather a type of Hominid sharing this planet with us yet lack governmental authorities tax codes and passports declaring which boundary of grass land they were born onto.

Heck................. We have 52 million human refugees from war torn countries not knowing where there is a blade of grass for them to securely rest their weary heads.......... The Earth Animal Kingdoms are in a similar state of affairs too......

I agree that ‘compassion’ is the solution............. yet to what soul-fullness depth, degree and broadness do we see compassion working in action?

Methinks we as humanity have a lot to learn in order to drop the shackles of slavery mindsets.

As I understand it, within the path of ‘Compassion’ the road leads to Unity that celebrates All Life.

In a perfect world there would be No borders and all men would treat each other
with love and respect but unfortunately that's not the reality we live in.

[jagman]

I said this before and say this again the only ones with a true gripe is the Native American Indians.Did they ask the white man to come here on their land? Enough said.....

Again, We must think in reality if we are to solve this problem. The Native
Americans did have a claim to this country but that's pretty much over and
done with.

[Agape]

“A compassionate way” (for me) would to be to recognise all humans ‘are human’ and avoid separating some humans to be more human than others, and those ‘others’ judged into ‘alien’ boxes of lesser value.

I am British so the word ‘Alien’ to me means something entirely different such as my mind immediately goes thinking of something totally non-human like an unknown civilisation living at the bottom of Ocean or Reptilians living in deep caves in our Earth......

But then I catch myself in such limited thinking and perhaps steering towards racistism as many say these Reptilians are ‘Earth native reptilians’ that have walked this planet longer than me......... so maybe the term Alien no longer fits this shoe either.

Then I think of Sasquatch, they too are not alien rather a type of Hominid sharing this planet with us yet lack governmental authorities tax codes and passports declaring which boundary of grass land they were born onto.

Heck................. We have 52 million human refugees from war torn countries not knowing where there is a blade of grass for them to securely rest their weary heads.......... The Earth Animal Kingdoms are in a similar state of affairs too......

I agree that ‘compassion’ is the solution............. yet to what soul-fullness depth, degree and broadness do we see compassion working in action?

Methinks we as humanity have a lot to learn in order to drop the shackles of slavery mindsets.

As I understand it, within the path of ‘Compassion’ the road leads to Unity that celebrates All Life.

In a perfect world there would be No borders and all men would treat each other
with love and respect but unfortunately that's not the reality we live in.


But maybe it's the reality we have to live in , adopt to prevent future misery ?

This world and human populace had never been static, migration is necessity ..if you consider climatic changes , natural ones that take place roughly each ten thousand years or more ,
if you close all borders and prevent migration , half of this world is going to die .. no matter the technical advances . You may also suggest they'd die anyway . But consider which is true and humane ,
the right to live free on this earth and save your life .. or the right to be citizen of any unnamed country in exchange for certainty of death and life in poverty ,

have you ever looked at it from 'their side' ?

I know this is far from easy . But ultimately .. no advanced society became poor by adopting more citizens, adults can work , children can go to school, yes they can learn , yes they have to keep to the laws . If American people don't keep to the laws are they still 'righteous citizens' ? And so forth ..

What happens in the 'big picture' is ..that if we all keep these people 'outside' and push them to underdeveloped territories and life styles with very limited means to evolve, no matter what they try,
not only they will stay behind, they'll continue hating us for not helping them ,
the rift will deepen . And in result , we build our own enemies out there whom we forced out when they were weak and begged for help .

The larger reality is more substantial at every end .


:angel:

[ghostrider]

The whole immigration thing is bunk ... why do I need papers to walk the earth as a free human being ... imaginary lines drawn by power hungry leaders , another way to control people and make money ... the whole thing is staged to quicken the collapse of the economy ... they don't give a rats rear end about children ...

[cursichella1]

I said this before and say this again the only ones with a true gripe is the Native American Indians.Did they ask the white man to come here on their land? Enough said.....

Disgusting how it works, the "spoils of war" or however it's been rationalized over the years...and the Americas were hardly the first targets in history where entire populations were wiped out during conquest...

[TigaHawk]

I've been thinking alot about the border crisis we are currently facing.
Since most of these are just children from South America I purpose we
keep them and give them medical attention,schooling and good foster
homes.Their parents should be allowed to visit but Not Gain citizenship
based on us taking their children in.Since the cost of this will be on the
American tax payer shoulder we should deport 2 illegal adults (O.T.M.S
Other Than Mexicans) for every child we take in. I think this would be
a really compassionate way to deal with this crisis.
I should add my reasoning for deporting 2 adult O.T.M.S for every child
O.T.M. we take in. The cost of raising a child to adulthood is far more
expensive than taking in an adult.



Do what i have been saying we should do here in Australia with the Asylum seekers.

Welcome them, lay down the law. They will be sent to remote areas in Australia that are desperate for workers. Out bush for the most part in our case.

They're given accommodation by the people the will work with, fed and are able to access all the necessities (bathrooms/showers/washing machine etc etc etc) . They are told to expect to be treated as equals and if they are not to not be afraid of reporting it. They will spend 5 years there.

Learn English, a small wage to begin with (since accommodation and food is covered, a bit of spending money for luxuries or to save) and they contribute to the community's. Children would go to school and when they reach 17/18 are able to work part time after school (if they wish, alot of teens do that over here for some spending $) and after school also work / contribute like the adults.

As they learn English and get to know their work (could be anything from helping out on a farm or working in a store, there's plenty to do in the many places we have that just need people there to take the job - just as it's out whoop whoop it's hard to find said people..) increase their wage and put them thru a trainee ship or something so they walk away with qualifications they can use later.

At the end of the 5 years if they have shown they are good people and want to be here then give them permission to leave and roam the rest of Australia and give them citizenship in another 5 if they continue the trend.

For the ones that misbehave, refuse to do anything, are violent etc. Send them back. When welcomed into a country, and asked to contribute while learning the language, culture and allowing time to set yourself up to live here without having to struggle - whilst also not just sitting there and getting given $$ for nothing (encouraging "mooching" for life - which is something we have far too many people here doing by choice anyway, but compounded by the issue that corporations keep cutting staff to return more $$ to shareholders..) and also forcing interaction with local people so they don't withdraw into segregated community's (suburbs that have a large majority of X ethnicity)

Unfortunately a lot of the hatred comes because they are given hand outs (which amounts to sometimes up to 4x more than our people in need, such as age pensioners and disability pensioners etc) they all move into 1 location and act like that area is their homeland - they get defensive and territorial, and have no reason to engage with community's outside of their own.

Where my parents live for example is an area where a lot of Samoan people move too after claiming asylum and getting through the hell that is called "processing" over here. It is sad to say that break and enters / thefts sky rocketed in the area. We have a police division that's meant to specialize with dealing with set cultures (they'll find an officer of said ethnicity and he effectively negotiates/talks with their community leaders while representing the police - in my mum's occasion when they approached them about the break in's and if they knew / could ask it stop they flat out denied it)


The problem is not of "they are stealing our jobs!" as i think that is stupid. We all know the reason behind that is greedy corporations and the government's participation in it. Ignoring that and focusing on the later is as stupid as the car's vs bicycle on the road argument here - they should not be on the roads at all, there should be bike lanes incorporated into the footpaths that also take into account the volume of riders that use that route. There is no excuse for it, not even with having to build and modify the existing infrastructure - as they forcibly up and move people all the time for corporate ventures. "All" the **** has to be stopped at the source before any real lasting/working and "humane" fix will be found and implemented.

All road's to change/fixing things still point to the tearing down of this system.

[angelichuman]

This is a good topic to discuss. it seems that the govt folks or the media is not even talking about this in any detail. I don't know, but I too have started to think on this...hmmm
What if I owned a bunch of land, and 'people' just showed up wanting to live there? What would I do? Brainstorming in progress..