Life in Gaza Explained

[Maia Gabrial]

Found this on Brasschecktv.com.

It saddens me. You'd think that once the Palestinians gained statehood that things would have improved for them.

Isreal, are you proud of what you do to these people? I don't see YOU when I look at what you're doing to them. I'm thoroughly disgusted. Do you think you can continue doing this forever without consequences? I cannot blame the Palestinians for fighting back for all that has been done to them and their people. How many of them have you murdered so far? There's NO comparison for what has been done.

Israel is NOT the victim in any of this. Who are they kidding? THEY have all the advanced weapons and technologies which makes it all look so ridiculously lopsided when the Palestinians pretty much have nothing. Rocks? It's clear that Israel is the bully and terrorist in all of this. I know the Talmud teaches that it's okay to steal from non-jews. I know personally that THEY not only steal without conscience, but murder is also approved to gain what they want. :tsk:

It doesn't seem to end there because of their involvement in other crimes in other countries, too....I'd like to ask Israel where their honor went.

This is not to say that all jews are bad people,and this is not directed at them; but the ones in charge are making everyone look bad; just as the US corporation makes all Americans look bad to the world.

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I thought it was hypocritical of Israel to say they're worried about the weapons that COULD BE made out of the necessities they deny the Paletinians, but what about all the nuclear weapons they have stored underground as well as their advanced arsenal?

[loungelizard]

Although I agree with much of what you write about Gaza, Maia Gabriel, and admire your passion, I have to take issue with your statement regarding the Talmud condoning theft from and murder of non-Jews.


I know the Talmud teaches that it's okay to steal from non-jews. I know personally that THEY not only steal without conscience, but murder is also approved to gain what they want.

This is one of the many vile claims that are floating around the internet, arising from either an accidental or a deliberate misunderstanding/mistranslation of quotes taken out of context. The Talmud, which is a record of rabbinic discussions, and as such is heavily metaphorical and cryptic, is particularly open to these "interpretations".

It is categorically stated, time and time again, that stealing and murder are wrong. Full stop. To state otherwise is to be in direct opposition to the morals and values that Jews follow.

I'm not a Talmudic scholar - in fact, I know very little about it - but I know enough to recognise when something sounds wrong.

For an accurate explanation of the passages in question regarding theft from and murder of non-Jews, here is a link to someone who has actually studied the Talmud and explains it in great detail.

http://www.angelfire.com/mt/talmud/theft.html
http://www.angelfire.com/mt/talmud/kill.html

[Dorjezigzag]

It is true that the Talmud is often a record of rabbinic discussions, but then aren't all holy books based on the discussions and conclusions of religious leaders

yes people have often just taken statements out of context, usually trying to prove a point, sometimes with an anti Jewish agenda but there is a lot of those kind of statements in the Talmud especially from the thirteenth century. The links you refer to does not even scratch the surface of the huge body of these kind of statements.

A recent example of these kind of opinions


In a sermon given on Saturday on laws concerning what non-Jews are permitted to do on Shabbat, Yosef said: "Goyim [non-Jews] were born only to serve us. Without that, they have no place in the world – only to serve the People of Israel."

"Why are gentiles needed? They will work, they will plow, they will reap. We will sit like an effendi and eat."

According to Yosef, death has "no dominion" over non-Jews in Israel.

"With gentiles, it will be like any person - they need to die, but [God] will give them longevity. Why? Imagine that one’s donkey would die, they’d lose their money. This is his servant... That’s why he gets a long life, to work well for this Jew.”

On Tuesday, the ADL said that Yosef's comments contributed "to an atmosphere of hatred and a global trend of intolerance."

http://www.haaretz.com/polopoly_fs/1.299993.1371374855!/image/905623397.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_640/905623397.jpg

http://www.haaretz.com/jewish-world/adl-slams-shas-spiritual-leader-for-saying-non-jews-were-born-to-serve-jews-1.320235

If you think this rabbi was just a fringe figure you may want to consider his funeral


Rabbi Ovadia Yosef buried in largest funeral in Israeli history
800,000 attend last procession for revered leader of Sephardi Jewry;


http://www.timesofisrael.com/jerusalem-closes-down-for-rabbi-ovadia-yosefs-funeral/

Saying that I have met a lot of good religious Jews, who are abhorred by Rabbi Ovadia statements, the problem of today is not so much judaism but zionism as this video illustrates, but then again I have met a lot of good Israelis who consider themselves zionists as well. In making sweeping statements about any group we are being as bad as the fundamentalists within their groups.

The zionist government in Israel is not necessarily all those who consider themselves to be zionist. The same as the British government is not me, although I am British. Although you could argue that the central Purpose of Zionism being to take control of Palestine, now Israel, makes it an immoral identity, although of course the USA, Canada and Australia exists on land stolen from other peoples.

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[Milneman]

And the Lord said, let there be a way for all mankind to know me intimately. And thus was born Spirituality rooted in faith and deep understanding founded in trust of one's self.

And Satan looked upon it, and being jealous of not being able to have this admiration directed at him, created religion.

And then we started throwing stones at each other.

Palestine is just as guilty as Isreal. There is no good guy/bad guy. If anyone had listened to Gandhi, and if anyone wanted real change, there'd be some serious ahimsa going on in the Gaza Strip. You want the world to see how bad things are? Let them beat you up in front of a camera, and don't fight back.

No? Won't work?

Did for India.

No good guys here. None. This friends is what happens when negative energy culminates with political will.

I hate what humanity does to itself when it ignores its potential in favour of an easier, softer way. Maia, by taking a "side" you've chosen to aggravate the cause of the negativity. We need to take a lesson from this. Every action we initiate has ripples that goes into the world further from our own seat, especially on a forum like this one, or the internet in general, where we can easily type and walk away without any reason to consider the spin because we just turn off the computer.

How does the OP help the conflict at all except by supporting one side that's an apparent part of a pairing? Get out of the victim/perp mentality paradigm. It just keeps conflicts like this going.

[Dorjezigzag]

You want the world to see how bad things are? Let them beat you up in front of a camera, and don't fight back.


How about this
The person in the video is 15-year-old Palestinian-American Tarek Abu

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http://www.commdiginews.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Tariq-Khdeir-15.jpg

[Milneman]

Dorje, you know how many years of dedicated passive resistance it took for England to finally walk out of India?

Don't expect one event to make it go away. What Palestine has to ask itself collectively is if there is a leader who can lead them through the pain that it will take to birth the nation they want back. You don't create by throwing stones: you just delay the reality longer. You don't create a nation based in freedom by blowing up it's potential citizens with suicide bombs. That's not the real ambition of the leaders behind these actions. You want a nation under God with liberty and justice for all? Then you walk up to the masters who "enslave" you with open hands and invite them to strike you. Repeatedly. You invite them to kill you if need be because you believe your ideals are worth dying for in this way, not in the way of a suicide bomber.

I think they enjoy and want the conflict because peace would mean making changes that neither side can swallow. That didn't come out quite right, but I can't think of a better way to word it right now.

Back to my book. ;)

[Dorjezigzag]

Dorje, you know how many years of dedicated passive resistance it took for England to finally walk out of India?

Don't expect one event to make it go away. What Palestine has to ask itself collectively is if there is a leader who can lead them through the pain that it will take to birth the nation they want back. You don't create by throwing stones: you just delay the reality longer. You don't create a nation based in freedom by blowing up it's potential citizens with suicide bombs. That's not the real ambition of the leaders behind these actions. You want a nation under God with liberty and justice for all? Then you walk up to the masters who "enslave" you with open hands and invite them to strike you. Repeatedly. You invite them to kill you if need be because you believe your ideals are worth dying for in this way, not in the way of a suicide bomber.

I think they enjoy and want the conflict because peace would mean making changes that neither side can swallow. That didn't come out quite right, but I can't think of a better way to word it right now.

Back to my book. ;)

Things are not as simple as you like to portray there are many reasons for Indian Independence,

Another viewpoint

"World War II had a profound effect on the colonial powers because it completely destroyed their economies. Although Hitler committed crimes against humanity, I give him credit—and not Gandhi—for India’s independence immediately after World War II. Hitler destroyed the economies of Britain and France to such an extent that they were no longer able to financially maintain their military forces, and were hence incapable of containing the burgeoning freedom movements in their colonies. It is worth noting that Britain was in such bad shape that it received about one-fourth of the total aid given under the Marshall Plan. Regardless of Gandhi or any other charismatic leader, Britain would have left India in 1947 purely for financial reasons, due to its wholly collapsed economy. After WWII, Britain left not only India but nearly all its other holdings, including Jordan in 1946, Palestine in 1947, Sri Lanka in 1948, Myanmar in 1948, and Egypt in 1952. For the same reason, France also had to grant independence to Laos in 1949 and Cambodia in 1953, and had to leave Vietnam in 1954. Had there been no Hitler and no World War II, it most probably would have taken another 30 or more years for India and some of the other colonies to achieve independence."
http://www.susmitkumar.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=100%3Ahitler-not-gandhi-should-be-given-credit-for-the-independence-of-india-in-1947

[panopticon]

Animated introduction to Palestine/Israel from the Jewish Voice For Peace (http://jewishvoiceforpeace.org/) campaign:

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-- Pan

[Dorjezigzag]

Ariel Sharon died January 11, 2014 after 8 years in a coma

Few are aware, however, that in the twilight of his public life, the former Israeli PM gave a speech which potentially could have changed the course of Israeli-Palestinian relations, but instead faded into the background of the political stalemate static indicative of negotiations which have achieved nothing since they began in earnest over 20 years ago.

In a Zionist context, to have Ariel Sharon - an aggressive operator and war hero, known to Arabs simply as “The Butcher”, say what he said – was almost unthinkable at the time:

“That we cannot continue holding under occupation… and it is occupation, you might not like this word, but it’s really an occupation – to hold 3.5 million Palestinians under occupation, is, in my opinion, a very bad thing. It cannot continue for ever. Do you want to remain, for ever, in Jenin, in Nablus, in Ramallah, in Bethlehem, for ever?”

Did Ariel Sharon have a political, or spiritual epiphany in his final consciousness days? His comments must have rocked the Zionist establishment at the time.

Aside from many delegates getting up and walking out of the press conference in open disgust, pay close attention to the angry expressions from Benjamin Netanyahu as Sharon effectively reverses 40 years of Israeli expansionist and ethnic cleansing policy in one swoop…

Note how hard-line Netanyahu assumed power over Israel policy soon after Sharon’s sudden, and massive stroke.


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http://21stcenturywire.com/2014/01/04/what-happened-to-israeli-pm-ariel-sharon/

[Milneman]

Dorje, you know how many years of dedicated passive resistance it took for England to finally walk out of India?

Don't expect one event to make it go away. What Palestine has to ask itself collectively is if there is a leader who can lead them through the pain that it will take to birth the nation they want back. You don't create by throwing stones: you just delay the reality longer. You don't create a nation based in freedom by blowing up it's potential citizens with suicide bombs. That's not the real ambition of the leaders behind these actions. You want a nation under God with liberty and justice for all? Then you walk up to the masters who "enslave" you with open hands and invite them to strike you. Repeatedly. You invite them to kill you if need be because you believe your ideals are worth dying for in this way, not in the way of a suicide bomber.

I think they enjoy and want the conflict because peace would mean making changes that neither side can swallow. That didn't come out quite right, but I can't think of a better way to word it right now.

Back to my book. ;)

Things are not as simple as you like to portray there are many reasons for Indian Independence,

Another viewpoint

"World War II had a profound effect on the colonial powers because it completely destroyed their economies. Although Hitler committed crimes against humanity, I give him credit—and not Gandhi—for India’s independence immediately after World War II. Hitler destroyed the economies of Britain and France to such an extent that they were no longer able to financially maintain their military forces, and were hence incapable of containing the burgeoning freedom movements in their colonies. It is worth noting that Britain was in such bad shape that it received about one-fourth of the total aid given under the Marshall Plan. Regardless of Gandhi or any other charismatic leader, Britain would have left India in 1947 purely for financial reasons, due to its wholly collapsed economy. After WWII, Britain left not only India but nearly all its other holdings, including Jordan in 1946, Palestine in 1947, Sri Lanka in 1948, Myanmar in 1948, and Egypt in 1952. For the same reason, France also had to grant independence to Laos in 1949 and Cambodia in 1953, and had to leave Vietnam in 1954. Had there been no Hitler and no World War II, it most probably would have taken another 30 or more years for India and some of the other colonies to achieve independence."
http://www.susmitkumar.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=100%3Ahitler-not-gandhi-should-be-given-credit-for-the-independence-of-india-in-1947

Or, they are as simple as I portray, and individuals and organizations require the complication to sustain their existence.

I'm a half full kinda guy.

[Sierra]

I'd like to ask Israel where their honor went.

This is not to say that all jews are bad people,and this is not directed at them; but the ones in charge are making everyone look bad; just as the US corporation makes all Americans look bad to the world.

Yes. Exactly. It has nothing to do with Israel or the Jews, just as what Monsanto, the Catholic Church, Bush, Clinton, and Obama do, has nothing to do with me or most of the citizens of the United States.

The thing about hate, while living under the oppression of the Archons who generate hate mechanisms (because they LOVE the Loosh we manufacture), is that really, the only hate we can control, is our own. And it always was that way, and it always will be that way.

I think it behooves us to look inward at our own faults, rather than outward, at others. It is our responsibility to do so.

There is no honor we can control, but our own.

Love, love, love, Sierra

[Maia Gabrial]

Palestine is just as guilty as Isreal. There is no good guy/bad guy. If anyone had listened to Gandhi, and if anyone wanted real change, there'd be some serious ahimsa going on in the Gaza Strip. You want the world to see how bad things are? Let them beat you up in front of a camera, and don't fight back.


What the heck you talking about? The Palestinians are being systematically genocided and made to look like the terrorists. Can you blame them for fighting back???? What will it take before people start looking past the lies of Lamestream (all owned by zionists btw) and see this lopsided murder going on?

Gee, let's see 3 Israelis are killed in an "attack" and in retribution almost 2000 Palestinians (mostly women and children) are murdered. Doesn't that say anything to you? What would happen if Palestinians had equal weapons? Do you think Israel would get away with what they've been doing? Are you for real thinking that the Palestinians enjoy living in fear and total suffering?

You sound like a freaking shill!

[Maia Gabrial]

Think people aren't noticing what Israel is doing to the Palestinians?

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BTW the voice on this video sounds like Tolec of the Andromeda Council....

[Pam]

I'd like to ask Israel where their honor went.

This is not to say that all jews are bad people,and this is not directed at them; but the ones in charge are making everyone look bad; just as the US corporation makes all Americans look bad to the world.

Yes. Exactly. It has nothing to do with Israel or the Jews, just as what Monsanto, the Catholic Church, Bush, Clinton, and Obama do, has nothing to do with me or most of the citizens of the United States.

The thing about hate, while living under the oppression of the Archons who generate hate mechanisms (because they LOVE the Loosh we manufacture), is that really, the only hate we can control, is our own. And it always was that way, and it always will be that way.

I think it behooves us to look inward at our own faults, rather than outward, at others. It is our responsibility to do so.

There is no honor we can control, but our own.

Love, love, love, Sierra




From Maia Gabriel-

Quote Palestine is just as guilty as Isreal. There is no good guy/bad guy. If anyone had listened to Gandhi, and if anyone wanted real change, there'd be some serious ahimsa going on in the Gaza Strip. You want the world to see how bad things are? Let them beat you up in front of a camera, and don't fight back.
What the heck you talking about? The Palestinians are being systematically genocided and made to look like the terrorists. Can you blame them for fighting back???? What will it take before people start looking past the lies of Lamestream (all owned by zionists btw) and see this lopsided murder going on?

Gee, let's see 3 Israelis are killed in an "attack" and in retribution almost 2000 Palestinians (mostly women and children) are murdered. Doesn't that say anything to you? What would happen if Palestinians had equal weapons? Do you think Israel would get away with what they've been doing? Are you for real thinking that the Palestinians enjoy living in fear and total suffering?

You sound like a freaking shill!


These are two really interesting , contrasting opinions. At one time, I would have agreed with you ,Maia 100% . I still agree that this is really a very unjust situation. The reality is that if that situation could be corrected today ,it would reappear in a short time if the hate and resentment still exists in the hearts of those involved. It might not be an exact reproduction but it will be very similar.

The other side of the coin is the realization that the only thing I can really change is myself. This has never been a really popular option. It is much easier to rage against injustices and there are many to choose from. In fact, I still do it, but I realize the pointlessness of it. Sierra, I love what you said " The only honor we can control is our own". So at the end of the day I can examine my own thoughts and emotions and continue the journey of self creation, making my life match my highest aspirations or I can be angry and point the finger at others. I have tried both and today I choose the path of self creation.

[Rich]

I choose the path of self creation.
I believe we do choose our reality but maybe we have forgotten it.

[Maia Gabrial]

Yes. Exactly. It has nothing to do with Israel or the Jews, just as what Monsanto, the Catholic Church, Bush, Clinton, and Obama do, has nothing to do with me or most of the citizens of the United States.

I wouldn't go that far, Sierra. Good people wouldn't sit on top of a mountain and cheer when a bomb exploded in the city that killed people. That female thoroughly disgusted me. From what I've learned, many jews feel the same as her. What does that mean? We're being lied to..... According to the Talmud, it's encouraged for jews to lie, cheat and steal from everyone non-jew. What's happening in Gaza is okay because the Talmud says it's okay to murder anyone no-jew.

The fact is Israel has its hands in many criminal activities and according to their Talmud it's okay and encouraged. What we're seeing in Gaza is just the tip of the iceberg....

But you are right, Sierra that our honor is in our own hands. We're looking inward, but are they? As the saying goes, you can identify the character of a person by what they do....

[Maia Gabrial]

Here's what jews/zionists have destroyed, a beautiful Palestinian culture:

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[Maia Gabrial]

Here's an article on Press TV:

http://presstv.com/detail/2014/07/20/372110/israelis-rejoice-as-military-bombs-gaza/

I'm trying to bite my tongue.... :tsk:

[Maia Gabrial]

Geez, and here's one where Diane Sawyer on ABC News screwed up on air and it brought alot of criticism.

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It's good to know that the liars are tripping themselves up....!

[loungelizard]

Maia Gabrial

You must have missed my post (no 2 on this thread) about the inflammatory and misguided claims you make with regard to the Talmud.


According to the Talmud, it's encouraged for jews to lie, cheat and steal from everyone non-jew. What's happening in Gaza is okay because the Talmud says it's okay to murder anyone no-jew.

No it doesn't. See above for explanation by Talmudic scholar.


...many criminal activities and according to their Talmud it's okay and encouraged.

No it isn't. See above for explanation by Talmudic scholar.

It's not easy to try and be fair minded in situations such as these (which are unfortunately echoed all over the world), but it's something to which we all presumably aspire. Looking deeper into a subject, and trying to avoid visceral responses that spiral down into hatred is essential. Misunderstandings, misconceptions and generalisations such as those seen in the OP of this thread can have very painful repercussions: the implications of such a lack of cultural and religious understanding are profound - prejudice and fear for example. Stereotypes of violence and terrorism lead to dehumanisation - that is no way to build the future.

What good does it do to be disgusted by that lady who is laughing at the moment the photo was taken? Perhaps it helps to understand the bigger picture: that she may live in Sderot, a city which has been hit by over 6000 rockets.

When a situation is as complex and compounded as this one, drawing conclusions about who is the more guilty is pointless. When both parties are deeply flawed, what is to be gained by taking sides and parading ever more extreme hate-filled words in support of your chosen "good guy"?

When the actions of one party are shown to be wrong, it doesn't make the actions of the other party any less wrong - or any more right.

[Maia Gabrial]

Here's a peachy one where they admit they're racist:

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Lovely, huh?

[Maia Gabrial]

So, you say, loungelizard,. The Talmud REQUIRES THEM TO LIE TO NONJEWS.... nuff said....

Sorry, the guilt trip on me doesn't work, loungelizard. I see hateful actions by a people who claim they're victims when they're not.

I have the courage to point the finger at what is wrong. It's not hard to see who the TRUE wronged people are, the Palestinians. I'm not a misguided, mind controlled state depart shill or a lying lamestream anchor as in the 2 videos I posted. I'm one of the MANY voices shouting my outrage against the guilt of Israel.

Sadly, Gaza is not the only place they're ruining....

[panopticon]

To start with here's a section of a speech given by Malcolm X that should remind us of some very important truths:


The press is so powerful in its image-making role, it can make the criminal look like he's the victim and make the victim look like he's the criminal. This is the press, an irresponsible press. It will make the criminal look like he's the victim and make the victim look like he's the criminal. If you aren't careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed and loving the people who are doing the oppressing.

If you aren't careful, because I've seen some of you caught in that bag, you run away hating yourself and loving the man — while you're catching hell from the man. You let the man maneuver you into thinking that it's wrong to fight him when he's fighting you. He's fighting you in the morning, fighting you in the noon, fighting you at night and fighting you all in between, and you still think it's wrong to fight him back. Why? The press. The newspapers make you look wrong.

What is portrayed within the media, and that is main stream & alternative media alike, is a filtered version of reality. I try to not look through the gauze placed over my eyes but rather listen to the thousand voices speaking their truth. These voices are still filtering but when the story being told by them all is so similar as to be almost indistinguishable, especially when that story forces me to weep, then I am able to say I have a glimmer of understanding of the truth.

As I've said a number of times, if we wish to understand the motivation behind the majority of a group we need to examine the fringe. That goes double if we are examining the trends appearing within a social/cultural group that we can not explain.

It is very simple and yet so many people shy away from it.

The extreme is where we find the unsaid truths that permeate the “group think”. It is at the fringe that new ideas percolate and start their slow filtration to acceptance. It is in this fertile ground, that in permaculture we call “the edge”, that fringe moves to the mainstream and mainstream moves to the fringe.

The Rabbi saying all gentiles are tools for Jews, no different to draft animals, is little different in my thinking to the fundamentalist Muslim Mufti saying the same or the fundamentalist "born again" Christians smug certainty that everyone else is going to Hell. I am always someones "heretic", "gentile", "heathen" or "infidel". It's the extremists that construct the fringe. These are the extremes that we need to examine to understand human nature. If we don’t we are left blind to future trends and susceptible to methods of control/manipulation.

Periodically I mention a 2011 study about how a committed minority can sway the majority ('Social Consensus Through the Influence of Committed Minorities (http://arxiv.org/pdf/1102.3931.pdf)'). There is another paper from 2013 ('Role of committed minorities in times of crisis (http://www.nature.com/srep/2013/130304/srep01371/full/srep01371.html)') that I haven't referenced previously at Avalon but mirrors and builds on the first papers conclusion. These papers cover some pretty heavy ground and complex social theory however their findings are important and relevant to our discussion in this thread. If only 10% of a group is committed to an opinion and can not be swayed from that opinion, no matter the evidence to the contrary, then the majority of that group will end up siding with the minority.

This is how fundamentalists ply their trade. They rely on surrounding themselves with others of similar thinking. If there is one charismatic personality amongst the group that person will come to dominance in the group and further promote their ideas. That is also how extremists take over seemingly moderate groups.

Why else do you all think so many people believed Hitler’s extreme tosh?

So, only 10% of the Israeli population needed to believe that the 3 Israeli-Jewish youths, kidnapped on the 12th of June 2014, were slaughtered by Hamas militants. There is no evidence that they were. The only evidence I've come across is:

Netanyahu & co repeatedly being quoted in the press that they did and
the allegation that they have since disappeared (but given that everybody they knew was being arrested under Operation Brother’s Keeper it is hardly surprising that they buggered off).


All that was needed was 2 weeks of incitement by the Israeli Government (Shaker, Lieberman, Netanyahu etc) with most of the Israeli media whipping it all up right along with them. This is what is termed a "moral outrage" or "moral panic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_panic)". History shows us that "moral outrages" are usually constructed by Governments as a means of control and promoted by the media to increase sales and revenue.

So, only 10% of a population is needed to be committed to an idea or opinion. If we go back and examine the anger and righteous hatred expressed at the time I think we will find that figure in at the very least pockets of Israeli society, if not the broader population. Remember it doesn't take much to get the “Settlers” riled up. Then there’s the ultra-orthodox and the fundamentalist right. Before we know what’s going on we’d be at the 10% and rising quick (especially with 3 good looking well behaved young boys as the victims of the “evil Islamic terrorist”).

I don’t mean to down play the obvious danger that exists within Israeli society, nor make light of it. Rather I'm pointing out that a society which is based around a shared identity (cultural, religious, social, civil & geographical) and relies on the created Other to survive and thrive, always has gate keepers who drag that society to the fringe. From this, the potential is always there for that society to be manipulated into a frenzy by careful application of pressure to the stress points of that shared identity.

Now, I've pontificated about it all from my perspective long enough, let's remember that the Israeli Government & Press pushed for the present Gaza assault. So I'll return to the opening quote I provided to illustrate: 'the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed and loving the people who are doing the oppressing'.

History reminds us of that which we should be wary...

-- Pan

[Maia Gabrial]

Now, I've pontificated about it all from my perspective long enough, let's remember that the Israeli Government & Press pushed for the present Gaza assault. So I'll return to the opening quote I provided to illustrate: 'the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed and loving the people who are doing the oppressing'.


Speaking of newspapers influencing opinion, here's some criticism of zionist owned and controlled New York Times:


Editorial Position of the New York Times: “Thumbs Up for Gaza Slaughter”
By Norman Solomon
Global Research, July 21, 2014
Url of this article:
http://www.globalresearch.ca/editorial-position-of-the-new-york-times-thumbs-up-for-gaza-slaughter/5392384
By Abba Solomon and Norman Solomon
Depositphotos 11344391 XS no war 300x300 So Is Slaughter Acceptable NO MATTER WHO IS DOING IT???????Over the weekend, the New York Times sent out a clear signal: the mass slaughter of civilians is acceptable when the Israeli military is doing the killing.
Under the headline “Israel’s War in Gaza,” the most powerful newspaper in the United States editorialized that such carnage is necessary. The lead editorial in the July 19 edition flashed a bright green light — reassuring the U.S. and Israeli governments that the horrors being inflicted in Gaza were not too horrible.
From its first words, the editorial methodically set out to justify what Israel was doing.
“After 10 days of aerial bombardment,” the editorial began, “Israel sent tanks and ground troops into Gaza to keep Hamas from pummeling Israeli cities with rockets and carrying out terrorist attacks via underground tunnels.”
The choice of when to date the start of the crisis was part of the methodical detour around inconvenient facts.
For instance, no mention of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s June 30 announcement that the “human animals” of Hamas would “pay” after three Israeli teenagers kidnapped in Israeli-controlled territory in the West Bank were found dead. No mention of the absence of evidence that Hamas leadership was involved in those murders.
Likewise, absent from the editorializing sequence was Israel’s June “crackdown” in the West Bank, with home raids, area closures, imprisonment of hundreds of Hamas party activists including legislators.
Most of all, the vile core of the Times editorial was its devaluation of Palestinian lives in sharp contrast to Israeli lives.
The Times editorial declared that Hamas leaders “deserve condemnation” for military actions from civilian areas in the dense Gaza enclave — but Netanyahu merited mere expressions of “concern” about “further escalation.” Absent from the editorial was any criticism of Israel’s ongoing bombardment of homes, apartment blocks, hospitals, beaches and other civilian areas with U.S.-supplied ordinance.
At the time, there had been one Israeli death from the hostilities — and at least 260 deaths among Gazans as well as injuries in the thousands. The contrast illuminates a grotesque difference in the Times’ willingness to truly value the humanity of Israelis and Palestinians.
In the morally skewed universe that the Times editorial board evidently inhabits and eagerly promulgates, Hamas intends to “terrorize” Israeli citizens while Israel merely intends to accomplish military objectives by dropping thousands of tons of bombs on Palestinian people in Gaza.
A keynote of the editorial came when it proclaimed: “There was no way Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu was going to tolerate the Hamas bombardments, which are indiscriminately lobbed at Israeli population centers. Nor should he.”
While sprinkling in a handwringing couple of phrases about dead and wounded civilians, the editorial had nothing to say in condemnation of the Israeli force killing and maiming them in large numbers.
Between the lines was a tacit message to Israel: Kill more. It’s OK. Kill more.
And to Israel’s patrons in Washington: Stand behind Israel’s mass killing in Gaza. Under the unfortunate circumstances, it’s needed.
When the editorial came off the press, the Israeli military was just getting started. And no doubt Israeli leaders, from Netanyahu on down, were heartened by the good war-making seal of approval from the New York Times.
After all, the most influential media voice in the United States — where the government is the main backer of Israel’s power — was proclaiming that the mass killing by the Israeli military was regrettable but not objectionable.
The night after the Times editorial went to press, the killing escalated. Among the calamities: the Israeli military shelled the Gaza neighborhood of Shejaiya throughout the night with nonstop tank fire that allowed no emergency services to approach. Eyewitness media reports from Shejaiya recounted scenes of “absolute devastation” with bodies strewn in the streets and the ruins.
Two days after the editorial reached Times newsprint, over 150 more were counted dead in Gaza. No media enabler was more culpable than the editorializing voice of the Times, which had egged on the Israeli assault at the end of a week that began with the United Nations reporting 80 percent of the dead in Gaza were civilians.
The Times editorial was in step with President Obama, who said – apparently without intended irony — that “no country can accept rockets fired indiscriminately at citizens.” Later, matching Israeli rationales for a ground invasion, the president amended his verbiage by saying: “No nation should accept rockets being fired into its borders or terrorists tunneling into its territory.”
An important caveat can be found in the phrases “no country” and “no nation.” The stateless people who live in Gaza – 70 percent of whom are from families expelled from what’s now southern Israel – are a very different matter.
By the lights of the Oval Office and the New York Times editorial boardroom, lofty rhetoric aside, the proper role of Palestinian people is to be slaughtered into submission.
Abba A. Solomon is the author of “The Speech, and Its Context: Jacob Blaustein’s Speech ‘The Meaning of Palestine Partition to American Jews.’”
Norman Solomon is co-founder of RootsAction.org and executive director of the Institute for Public Accuracy. His books include “War Made Easy: How Presidents and Pundits Keep Spinning Us to Death.”

[Milneman]

So, you say, loungelizard,. The Talmud REQUIRES THEM TO LIE TO NONJEWS.... nuff said....

Sorry, the guilt trip on me doesn't work, loungelizard. I see hateful actions by a people who claim they're victims when they're not.

I have the courage to point the finger at what is wrong. It's not hard to see who the TRUE wronged people are, the Palestinians. I'm not a misguided, mind controlled state depart shill or a lying lamestream anchor as in the 2 videos I posted. I'm one of the MANY voices shouting my outrage against the guilt of Israel.

Sadly, Gaza is not the only place they're ruining....

The key to acting with integrity is to simply stop playing the game.

Maia and others, why are you playing?

If this forum is a microcosm of the world, we have in this thread the reasons why the conflicts exist:

-Individuals hold radical ideas that contain half truths that back up a greater agenda that has nothing to do with the ideas these individuals hold
-Aggression ensues because there is conflict with these ideas, which is the goal of the greater agenda.
-Congratulations, you think you are acting in freedom but guess what? You're playing the game.
-Now hand yourself a protest sign, or a gun, or a missile launcher and you'll fit right in. You can call yourself a Russian, a Ukrainian, a Jew, an anti-zionist, a Islamist, what have you. Pick a side. They're all the same side, all the same agenda.

Wake up.

Stop playing.

Let's start acting like the 99% do have the power instead of playing with the 1% of our mind that keeps us locked down. Maia, once again, I'm posting a video I think everyone on both sides of this argument needs to consider. Palestine needs to act first. But given what I saw when I was state-side, this is how we're going to have to revolt. By not revolting.

GWwVMPrfzZc

"Stop it. For God's sake, Stop it."

[Rich]

People must be taught that they can have what they want and don't need to use violence for it.
Then things like Israel attacking Gaza won't ever happen, but now with a believe in lack of Love it is an automatic response.

[panopticon]

Further to my post above about the 3 Israeli-Jewish youths slaughtered in mid-June:

On Friday, Chief Inspector Micky Rosenfeld, foreign press spokesman for the Israel Police, reportedly told BBC journalist Jon Donnison that the men responsible for murders were not acting on orders of Hamas leadership.
Source (http://www.dailydot.com/politics/israel-gaza-kidnap-false-inaccurate/)
"truth will come to light; murder cannot be hid long; a man's son may, but at the length truth will out."
Shakespeare

-- Pan

[Maia Gabrial]

I'll stop playing when this kind of evil, cruelty stops. What do you want pacifism, Cum bya, what? This is too dangerous to NOT do something about. Future generations of humanity depend on what we're doing now. We don't have to fight their contrived wars, but we can do other things to stop them.

Nice video, Milneman. I'm not any religion because I know that all of them are about control.... I gave up all that nonsense many years ago. Everyone has the right to worship as they choose as long as they respect the right of others to do the same. Christians, Muslims and Jews have shown that don't have this feeling for others. They are practicing satanists when they force their beliefs on others. They all have a violent history.

When I tossed out all religions, I did the best thing for myself, freeing myself from the control system. The freedom allowed me to I KNOW what I really was: I AM a spiritual warrior and Guardian of this world. I KNOW my honor and integrity are intact. And I've had enough of the bull****, lies and deceptions. The whole matrix is crashing as we speak. There's nowhere for the psychopaths to hide or escape to. They would do themselves a favor and surrender to those who are here to capture them.... And they will be captured, tried and convicted....

[Sierra]

Maia,

Don't be sucked into service to the Illuminati. Hate, separation, and division serve the Illuminati. Hate is hate, no matter the self serving or self righteous justification.

Most of all, hate hurts the haters, and spreads more hatred.

This is a shame...

There are many things to hate in the world, but so are there many things to love.

Where focus goes, so does energy.

Are you sure you wish to contribute your energy to hatred, thus to feed your energy to the Illuminati?

I read of a Tibetan Buddhist who was imprisoned and tortured by the Chinese in the 1940s. After he was released, and rejoined his people in exile, the Abbot of his order said he'd had no idea the monk was so advanced in his development, because as the monk said, it was very close, and he was relieved he had been released before he could hate his captors for the death, pain, and destruction the Chinese had visited on his country.

Hate/polarity is rising around the world. Some think according to Hopi prophecy, it is the time of separation, the wheat from the tares so to speak, which perhaps is why people are revealing themselves and who they are. The Hopis also say at this time the door is closing. Your current choice, your current energy, will determine the path you will be forced to walk. I would not wish to walk with the Illuminati. Wake up Maia.

You have had a few days to talk hate, people have tried to show you how fringe fanatics are exploited by the media in service of the Illuminati agenda, to whip up hatred among the unthinking and reactive sheeple, to tar Israel and Palestine as implacable foes, when they have lived side by side for centuries in peace. Just who do you think created Israel in the first place as a tool for the end agenda of global death and destruction?

Why do you think Tibet was invaded by China? Why did Cambodia suffer immense losses of a peace loving Buddhist population? Why does the Middle East hate their own women and children? Why do Africans cut their females so they can take no pleasure in sex? Why did Iraq and Iran hate each other so much they sent their own children to kill? Why do African armies use small children to be soldiers?

Oh. And then there is the good ole U.S. Who has done the following with no valid excuse whatsoever:


(1) American Indian nations (1776 onwards, American Indian Genocide; 1803, Louisiana Purchase; 1844, Indians banned from east of the Mississippi; 1861 onwards, California genocide; 1890, Lakota Indians massacre), (2) Mexico (1836-1846; 1913; 1914-1918; 1923), (3) Nicaragua (1856-1857; 1894; 1896; 1898; 1899; 1907; 1910; 1912-1933; 1981-1990), (4) American forces deployed against Americans (1861-1865, Civil War; 1892; 1894; 1898; 1899-1901; 1901; 1914; 1915; 1920-1921; 1932; 1943; 1967; 1968; 1970; 1973; 1992; 2001), (5), Argentina (1890), (6), Chile (1891; 1973), (7) Haiti (1891; 1914-1934; 1994; 2004-2005), (8) Hawaii (1893-), (9) China (1895-1895; 1898-1900; 1911-1941; 1922-1927; 1927-1934; 1948-1949; 1951-1953; 1958), (10) Korea (1894-1896; 1904-1905; 1951-1953), (11) Panama (1895; 1901-1914; 1908; 1912; 1918-1920; 1925; 1958; 1964; 1989-), (12) Philippines (1898-1910; 1948-1954; 1989; 2002-), (13) Cuba (1898-1902; 1906-1909; 1912; 1917-1933; 1961; 1962), (14) Puerto Rico (1898-; 1950; ); (15) Guam (1898-), (16) Samoa (1899-), (17) Honduras (1903; 1907; 1911; 1912; 1919; 1924-1925; 1983-1989), (18) Dominican Republic (1903-1904; 1914; 1916-1924; 1965-1966), (19) Germany (1917-1918; 1941-1945; 1948; 1961), (20) Russia (1918-1922), (21) Yugoslavia (1919; 1946; 1992-1994; 1999), (22) Guatemala (1920; 1954; 1966-1967), (23) Turkey (1922), (24) El Salvador (1932; 1981-1992), (25) Italy (1941-1945); (26) Morocco (1941-1945), (27) France (1941-1945), (28) Algeria (1941-1945), (29) Tunisia (1941-1945), (30) Libya (1941-1945; 1981; 1986; 1989; 2011), (31) Egypt (1941-1945; 1956; 1967; 1973; 2013), (32) India (1941-1945), (33) Burma (1941-1945), (34) Micronesia (1941-1945), (35) Papua New Guinea (1941-1945), (36) Vanuatu (1941-1945), (37) Austria (1941-1945), (38) Hungary (1941-1945), (39) Japan (1941-1945), (40) Iran (1946; 1953; 1980; 1984; 1987-1988; ), (41) Uruguay (1947), (42) Greece (1947-1949), (43) Vietnam (1954; 1960-1975), (44) Lebanon (1958; 1982-1984), (45) Iraq (1958; 1963; 1990-1991; 1990-2003; 1998; 2003-2011), (46) Laos (1962-), (47) Indonesia (1965), (48) Cambodia (1969-1975; 1975), (49) Oman (1970), (50) Laos (1971-1973), (51) Angola (1976-1992), (52) Grenada (1983-1984), (53) Bolivia (1986; ), (54) Virgin Islands (1989), (55) Liberia (1990; 1997; 2003), (56) Saudi Arabia (1990-1991), (57) Kuwait (1991), (58) Somalia (1992-1994; 2006), (59) Bosnia (1993-), (60) Zaire (Congo) (1996-1997), (61) Albania (1997), (62) Sudan (1998), (63) Afghanistan (1998; 2001-), (64) Yemen (2000; 2002-), (65) Macedonia (2001), (66) Colombia (2002-), (67) Pakistan (2005-), (68) Syria (2008; 2011-), (69) Uganda (2011), (70) Mali (2013), (71) Niger (2013).

The human cost of these US interventions has been horrendous. A major component of war- or hegemony-related deaths is represented by avoidable deaths from violently-imposed deprivation. Since 1950 the UN has provided detailed demographic data that have permitted calculation of such avoidable deaths, year by year, for every country in the world. 1950-2005 avoidable deaths total 1.3 billion for the whole world, 1.2 billion for the non-European world and 0.6 billion for the Muslim world [2], the latter carnage being 100 times greater than the WW2 Jewish Holocaust (5-6 million Jews killed, 1 in 6 dying from deprivation) [4, 5} or the “forgotten” WW2 Bengali Holocaust in which the British with Australian complicity deliberately starved 6-7 million Indians to death for strategic reasons [6]. Currently 18 million people die avoidably each year in the Developing World on Spaceship Earth with the US in charge of the flight deck.

(From http://www.countercurrents.org/polya050713.htm)

NONE of the atrocities listed above, could have happened without the deliberate fomentation of hatred. ALL people, races, cultures, nations are susceptible to the historic, and current manipulation of the Archons. NONE of us are without sin to throw stones with impunity. You do yourself a moral injury here Maia.

Do not use Avalon to encourage others to hate. This is ignorant, and harmful.

Clean up your act Maia. Avalon is not a place to spread hatred. Join another forum, where hate is welcomed, and you can be among those of like spirit, if that is what you wish to be.

Closing thread.

Love, Sierra