The history of Our Moon Told by ET

[ghostrider]

Contact report 5 was translated from German to English , it's a long read but , for those that want information from a different vantage point , it is here ... I can't prove any of it , it's up to the reader as always to use their own discernment , the good stuff begins at line 26 ... enjoy ... the moon brought to earth as told by the plajaren Semjase ...http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_5

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[linksplatinum]

Billy Meier... Cool!

[ghostrider]

Line 65 goes straight to the moon's age and events that brought it here ...

[countertheanimator]

If the Plajaren are the Nordic ET (Thor and Company), i might believe them.
Nice one :)

[ghostrider]

If the Plajaren are the Nordic ET (Thor and Company), i might believe them.
Nice one :)

yes they are the of the lineage of what is known as Nordics ... their most recent ancestors we called the sons of heaven , ruled by Arus of Lyrian decent ... primitive earth man saw them as angels for they are tall and have a glow about them , they mostly use spirit telepathy to communicate ( the voice in the mind) ... We share a common family tree with them ... the rebels of their civilization were the gods of our past ...

[joeecho]

As interesting as the history and/ or folklore is of the moon, I think it's constant influence on our present lives is the most intriguing. At times it seems so passive, but is it?

[shadowstalker]

reminds me of the Anunaki and Nibiru

[ghostrider]

Our little Moon doesn't even come from this UNIVERSE ... strange everything rotates except our Moon ... interesting our Moon pulled by our Sun , then pulled back by Earth creating a motion/force that stirs our oceans , which helps make air for sealife ... A cosmic engine that sustains life ... it's right there and we know so little about it ... every night we can see it , it has a pulling magical intrigue about it ... Does anyone get the idea that there is something important about our Moon we have yet to fully understand ??? A true anomaly , right next door , older than anything else around us ...exactly in the right spot to block out an object 93 million miles away ... oh If I could physically go there for a day , explore the pyramids , the crystal city , craters , domes ... magical ... it is my personal OBE vacation destination , which I will try again tonight to visit ... somebody distract the guards ...

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As interesting as the history and/ or folklore is of the moon, I think it's constant influence on our present lives is the most intriguing. At times it seems so passive, but is it?

it has a magic pull on every human , whether they know it or not ...

[countertheanimator]

Please, explain. I want to know more.

The civilization of Asgard was not truly ruled by Odin, Thor and the knights. They were just rebels?
I am confused. Or, even before Thor, there were more gods to us who appeared to be the rebels?

[Centauri]

Fantastic. Of course none of it is verifiable, but that's the story on all contact information. That is when I move on to cross-referencing the information.

Not to say I don't consider it because I love to consider it! And not to say that the contactees hadn't experienced it, because I fully trust that they have... well, on THIS forum I trust that they have. It depends on the tone of the tale. Whether it smacks of vanity-stroking, service-to-self themes or not. One of the reasons I found Project Avalon is because I'm trying to gather all these stories together in my mind and comb over them for correlations and differences. Our moon is a particular interest of mine. Everything about it is weird.

Thanks!

[ghostrider]

Please, explain. I want to know more.

The civilization of Asgard was not truly ruled by Odin, Thor and the knights. They were just rebels?
I am confused. Or, even before Thor, there were more gods to us who appeared to be the rebels?
The old Lyrians split into two groups , some remained in their spacetime , the other group came to our spacetime ... over thousands of years their lineage came and left earth many times , mixing with other races creating new life forms , titans , colossus , dwarfs , humans with seemingly magical abilities ... usually worshipped as gods through many time epochs ... after the first global war of Earth around 50,000 years ago all was destroyed , only 3,000 survived and they degenerated and became completely wild and lost knowledge of their true lineage ... this happened many times ...Earth is visited because they feel responsible for our chaotic past because of not so nice family members here on Earth taking advantage of our lower evolution ... summary = one group is spiritual and protects life the other exploits lower evolved planets ...

[joeecho]

it has a magic pull on every human , whether they know it or not ...


Yep. That is the sense I have of it. A highly suspicious object in the sky.

It reminds me of the All Seeing Eye, symbolically, since it never blinks, per say. The 'blink' would be like a regular spin of the moon.

[ghostrider]

it has a magic pull on every human , whether they know it or not ...


Yep. That is the sense I have of it. A highly suspicious object in the sky.

It reminds me of the All Seeing Eye, symbolically, since it never blinks, per say. The 'blink' would be like a regular spin of the moon.

it really is an anomaly ... believe it or not Edward has a picture of a primeval earth, with two moons in the background , taken on a time travel journey ...http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/w/images/b/ba/2_moons_over_Prehistoric_Earth.jpg

[Omni]

Billy Meier? Pretty sure every picture he ever took was debunked... He brings some interesting info but I highly doubt that info came from extraterrestrials. His UFO pics are laughable. No ET would design a ship so dumb looking. Not to mention his trash can lids look exactly the same(they even have the same little divet in the side)... Sorry if you feel I'm being disrespectful but Billy Meier's case is somewhat shameful for other contactees. Not to mention he said he is the only true contactee. Who would really say that? Someone who is either being mind controlled, or has a very narrow mind.

That being said there were forces behind Billy's case I believe. But those forces are not benevolent or well meaning IMO. I have witnessed a lot of extraterrestrial's thoughts. Billy Meier or any channeling has failed to really show their intelligence... Either they are treading lightly(which happens) or they are not there at all...

As for the moon, I believe it was brought here. I do not think it is only bad or only good. I believe it is a balance. As for it being brought from another universe, I find that harder to believe.. They could construct a moon from existing objects inside the solar system for one. Or bring it here pretty quickly in transport ships and fuse it together when it is here... Why bring a moon from another universe?

[DNA]

Billy Meier? Pretty sure every picture he ever took was debunked... He brings some interesting info but I highly doubt that info came from extraterrestrials. His UFO pics are laughable. No ET would design a ship so dumb looking. Not to mention his trash can lids look exactly the same(they even have the same little divet in the side)... Sorry if you feel I'm being disrespectful but Billy Meier's case is somewhat shameful for other contactees. Not to mention he said he is the only true contactee. Who would really say that? Someone who is either being mind controlled, or has a very narrow mind.

That being said there were forces behind Billy's case I believe. But those forces are not benevolent or well meaning IMO. I have witnessed a lot of extraterrestrial's thoughts. Billy Meier or any channeling has failed to really show their intelligence... Either they are treading lightly(which happens) or they are not there at all...

As for the moon, I believe it was brought here. I do not think it is only bad or only good. I believe it is a balance. As for it being brought from another universe, I find that harder to believe.. They could construct a moon from existing objects inside the solar system for one. Or bring it here pretty quickly in transport ships and fuse it together when it is here... Why bring a moon from another universe?

I think most other contactees are shameful to Billy Meier.

Meier has brought such a wealth of evidence to prove his case, most other contactees seem relegated to the realm of insignificant.

[Omni]

Billy Meier? Pretty sure every picture he ever took was debunked... He brings some interesting info but I highly doubt that info came from extraterrestrials. His UFO pics are laughable. No ET would design a ship so dumb looking. Not to mention his trash can lids look exactly the same(they even have the same little divet in the side)... Sorry if you feel I'm being disrespectful but Billy Meier's case is somewhat shameful for other contactees. Not to mention he said he is the only true contactee. Who would really say that? Someone who is either being mind controlled, or has a very narrow mind.

That being said there were forces behind Billy's case I believe. But those forces are not benevolent or well meaning IMO. I have witnessed a lot of extraterrestrial's thoughts. Billy Meier or any channeling has failed to really show their intelligence... Either they are treading lightly(which happens) or they are not there at all...

As for the moon, I believe it was brought here. I do not think it is only bad or only good. I believe it is a balance. As for it being brought from another universe, I find that harder to believe.. They could construct a moon from existing objects inside the solar system for one. Or bring it here pretty quickly in transport ships and fuse it together when it is here... Why bring a moon from another universe?

I think most other contactees are shameful to Billy Meier.

Meier has brought such a wealth of evidence to prove his case, most other contactees seem relegated to the realm of insignificant.

And you just ignore his stunts like taking a picture of a dinosaur book and saying he went back in time to snatch that photograph? His case has much more holes than it does evidence if you see counterarguments to his supposed evidence... You wont find a balanced representation of Meier from Michael Horn...

[kirolak]

[QUOTE=ghostrider;855345]Our little Moon doesn't even come from this UNIVERSE ... strange everything rotates except our Moon ... interesting our Moon pulled by our Sun , then pulled back by Earth creating a motion/force that stirs our oceans , which helps make air for sealife ... A cosmic engine that sustains life ... it's right there and we know so little about it ... every night we can see it , it has a pulling magical intrigue about it ... Does anyone get the idea that there is something important about our Moon we have yet to fully understand ??? A true anomaly , right next door , older than anything else around us ...exactly in the right spot to block out an object 93 million miles away ... oh If I could physically go there for a day , explore the pyramids , the crystal city , craters , domes ... magical ... it is my personal OBE vacation destination , which I will try again tonight to visit ... somebody distract the guards ...[COLOR=

Did you succeed in getting to the moon? I have not really succeeded - each time as the moon looms up in my line of vision, I get a terrible surge of fear & dread. . . & back to the body I go. Once I asked my higher self to be taken there to meet "a kindly teacher", & ended up travelling with 2 of my cats. I encountered a little balding man, who told me to make an appointment with his secretary, which I did, but was not able to keep it. We were in a rather boring, grey building with steep stairs. I have no idea whether this was on the moon or not.

Is there something that stops us from investigating the moon? Has anyone else succeeded? Apparently there are some who have succeeded in going deep into the very body of the sun - something I would not even think of trying. Hope I'm not derailing the thread with this interjection!:o

[DNA]

If the Plajaren are the Nordic ET (Thor and Company), i might believe them.
Nice one :)

I do not mean to support your claim and offer a counter to it at the same time. But, according to the Plajaren, they were relatively selfish folks at the time we considered them gods, and as such, I would neither put the Plajaren on a pedestal nor the Norse Gods.

The Plajaren may have been considered into many pantheons depending on the geographic location you consider.

[DNA]

And you just ignore his stunts like taking a picture of a dinosaur book and saying he went back in time to snatch that photograph? His case has much more holes than it does evidence if you see counterarguments to his supposed evidence... You wont find a balanced representation of Meier from Michael Horn...

Sitting down with the Meier material takes more than reading a few snippets from the pages of self righteous debunkers, many of which are on the CIA payroll.

I'm not asking anybody to believe the Meier material, but I would ask those who are interested in it to suspend their judgement until such time they were able to take in the entire story.

Before beginning down the Meier path, know this, that any one out there who has something close to offer in terms of the truth will be subject to the full attention of intelligence communities of various countries who at the very least will attempt to insert false data so as to discredit the individual and the information they provide.

To think any story out there will be exempt from this treatment is to be naive.

As such, it is up to the individual to extract the wheat from the chaff.

Here is a letter sent from an anonymous intelligence worker to Wendelle Stevens explaining this very action in terms of Meier being the subject of purposeful disinformation being injected into the work.


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Contact from the Pleiades



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LETTER FROM A SECURITY AGENT:



Wendelle C. Stevens

Lt. Col., USAF (Ret)

Care of:

GENESIS 3 Publishing Inc

P.O. Drawer JJ, Munds Park.AZ 89017

Dear Mr Stevens

A friend of mine, Tom Farr, dropped off a copy of MESSAGE FROM THE PLEIADES. I found it very Interesting. Tom had previously given me another book about Billy Meier, which was also interesting.

The following is information you might find interesting. The American Government did what could be called an extensive soft touch investigation of Billy, when he first attracted public attention to himself, to find out if the contact was in fact for real. The Decision was in his favor. It was extensive investigation, because of the unusual features in Billy´s case.

Billy, as an individual, and a citizen of another country, had an American intelligence gathering organization look him over from ass hole to appetite. He passed the inspection rather well, but has not gone off the deep end, as predicted by the personality profile done on him. It of course goes without saying that he had the intelligence gathering community of his own country look him over.

The American investigation was of the light touch vanity (forfenglighet), meaning use no force, make no scars, and leave no traces of the investigation. Which is to say play tourist, pack a camera, and take a lot of pictures, tell a lot of lies, and ask a lot of questions. Host countries(vertslandets-) intelligence systems get pissed(lei), if they catch you screwing off on their turf. So do not accuse us of any break-ins, and that type of thing, because it happened back in the days when Billy was in fact liberal with what he gave away. Your book indicates that he has up-graded his record keeping since the early days.

In the other book on Billy there was a big deal about the films, and having them tested. In one specific incident the film tested was believed to be a copy, and not the original negative as Billy thought. Sorry about that. The way we got copies of Billy´s pictures was by paying off the man who handled the film processing for Billy. The man simply ordered a second set of pictures for us, and a second copy of the negatives, at an attractive profit, and the man often had copies made for himself. In a couple of cases we took the original copy of the negative, for the type of lab checks that you wanted to make.

We also sent some garbage film through to the same processing company by the same store, under Billy´s name, to keep the boys doing the film processing honest. We did establish that there was a little hankey pankey going on at the processing plant, and/or in the mail some place. Someone else was getting off with the first copy of the negatives most of the time. Several times, according to the experts, our copy of the negative would be about the fifth one.

All intelligence communities are well aware that vast volumes of bull **** comes and goes in the UFO contactee game, as part of turf(dekke) but pictures make strong evidence, which is almost impossible to fake. Because pictures are the quickest way to find who in fact is telling the truth, they often get stolen. Or, why screw around with the bull ****, when the proof is in the film. The Intelligence gathering people are also aware of how to intercept mail, and bribe (bestikke) store owners. When the bribe was set up we did not know how agreeable Billy was going to be about passing out samples.

In the book you touched on one of the most important of all things about UFO´s, and may not have realized the true importance, to the history of UFOs, in what you said.

Page 219; "The visitor anticipated............and they immediately associated them with the Anti-Christ, of Christian literature and wanted nothing more to do with the situation."

The problem that Billy had with Karl Veit of Wiesbaden, is the key to understanding most of the American Government and Western Europe Government´s approach to UFO´s. In 1945, when it was first proven that UFO´s were real from space, operated by intelligent being, most of whom where human in form, the American Government did a soft touch check to see what the great unwashed public would say, and how the public would respond to UFO´s, and space people, if the President informed the public over National radio.

The results of the investigation would truly frost a thinking mans´ balls. The public´s response was all bad. 97% of the public took one of two approaches. Shoot first and ask questions later. Or call the UFO´S agents of the devil, the prince of the power of the air, the ant-Christ, and set up an even worse situation, where UFOs would became a real negative religious issue. What was surprising was the response of the Religious leadership, which was by far worse than the general public´s response. It could only be called grim news.

The science community showed no leadership at all, just a super case of stupidity, and prejudice.

As you might guess, the original investigations were by military men, under orders from General Marshal, under the direction of the President. And if you know your military men, finding one who wants to get into a fight with the preachers, over what is, or is not the Anti-Christ, when neither the military man, nor the preacher know a hell of a lot of factual information about either the Ant-Christ, or the UFOs, would be a lot like sending a blind person out to spot UFO´s. Just as soon as the blind man spots the first UFO, the military will get into the fight with the preachers over the Anti-Christ.

To say that the military seriously avoided the potential conflict with the religious community would be an understatement. To say that the military community successfully avoided a fight with the religious community over UFOs would be an accurate observation. To say that the military was real damned sneaky (fordømt lusket) about how they informed the public about UFOs, would also be an accurate observation.

The military mind will draw conclusions that the religious mind will not. The military mind quickly figured out that if the UFO´s wanted to take over the world, they had the speed, science, and fire power to do so. Hence, the military concluded UFO´s were working by other rules. The general nature of the rules the individuals in the UFOs would be working under, could be projected, based on previous contact records, however skimpy the records.

In other words, the military figured it was a safe assumption that the UFOs would not radically change their actions in modern times, but would stick with the casual and miss system of the past.

The military mind drew one conclusion. The single most important thing to do in the situation it was in, namely sitting on some hot, highly controversial information, was to keep the general public from a bad response by controlling the public´s response to UFOs. In other words keep that damned religious mentality out of the issues involved, as long as possible.

But, do not ever say that the military never did anything about informing the public about the existence of UFO´s. That will mean you have not figured out the methods used by the Government to spread the word about UFOs. You might say the military took the Bible´s advice about not to let the left hand know what the right hand is doing.

The Military pulled the very same trick that Moses pulled, when he did not like the attitude of his troops, after crossing the Red Sea. He took the time to grow a new batch troops, who´s response and thinking was more to his liking. And that is what the military did about UFO´s.

The military also found a problem as bad, or worse, than the religious mind. Have you have ever noticed, Scientist are about as bad as the preachers, when it comes to UFO´s? Especially in the old days. What you missed is the little detail that Scientist, of the old pre-UFO school, got their basic concept of the Universe from an insane preacher: A Catholic Pope. That basic concept is the idea that man is alone in the Universe, and the only intelligent life in the universe.

Going into the dark ages all societies leaving records, in any amount, left some kind of UFO record. Those that left verbal histories left verbal records of UFOs. In effect it was known prior to the Dark Ages that man was not alone in the Universe, that other intelligent beings were out there screwing around. Even the damned cave and rock drawings show UFO activity.

The Greeks and the Romans also knew that the world was round. The Greeks had even tried to measure the size of the earth using wells and sun light.

The insane Catholic Pope decided that he was the most important thing in the Universe, and that the Universe revolved around him. The basic idea that the world was flat was imposed upon the world by an insane Pope, which in effect made the earth the Center of the universe.. That Pope also expanded on the powers of the Pope, in effect saying that he was not only at the center of the Universe, he was all that was good, smart, and holy at the center of the Universe.

That pope also pitched the idea that man was alone in the Universe. That of course left the Pope the smartest man in the Universe. When the Science-Religion fight of the early science days started, science in general won out. The one idea that the Scientist took from an insane Pope, which they loved as an idea, and used as there very own idea, was the idea that man is alone in the Universe. The idea that man is alone in the Universe, if valid, would the make Scientist the smartest, and best educated beings in the Universe. The Science community´s response to the coming of UFOs, and the possible drop in status from the smartest thing in the Universe, was somewhat worse than the religious communities response to UFOs. UFOs rather obviously, put the modern scientist in the position of being a backward person in knowledge, on a backward world. And farther insulted the scientist, by not bothering to make any contact with him. Few, if any of the scientist involved gave up their status, as the smartest and best educated beings in the universe, willingly. Most of the older ones died with that idea in their head. The idea, man was the only intelligent life in the Universe.

The existence of UFOs - truly lowers the status of the religious and scientific leaders of the world. They resisted such a lowering in their status, particularly the scientist. And here I should clear something up. Mention the word intelligence gathering community, and most people go into some kind of potty training shock, and think they have gone back to messing their pants, and are about to be caught at it. Doing what is called spying on people is an expensive and time consuming operation, generally involving a lot of people. It is surprising how many people think that they have some kind of secret, that makes them worth spying on. Casual surveillance, or simple information gathering, can be done much cheaper. The total amount of information needed, to make a high degree of accuracy decision, about someone like Billy, is in fact not as much as a person would imagine.

In effect, in the early days, if you showed up at Billy´s place, knowing enough about good manners, to bring as much food as you eat, wash as many dishes as you get dirty, and just help around the house, or yard a bit. It was possible to get all the UFO information desired from Billy, and be treated as a respected guest.

Looking into Billy with a professional eye will quickly show that there are a couple of things, which are not "totally normal" for this type of contact. The screw ball hours, and the many changes in location, make it somewhat different from most contacts, which generally proceed on a casual, but regular bases, with some consideration for the contactee. Billy probably holds the record for more bad weather contacts than anyone else. His case has some screwball features, but it had some very good pictures.

In a shared UFO information pool with other Countries, including India, it was noticed that Billy got his contacts whenever a woman, the Indians were watching, was missing. It was speculated that Billy´s female contact could have been one of two women that the India authorities were watching. One was a tall dark haired woman with a very fair completion who, according to what the Indians could find out had been working an area for about 200 years. The other woman was a short, some what dumpy blond, with kind of a flat face. Every time the dumpy blond left India, Billy had a contact. Because the Indian surveillance was of the soft touch type, and far from complete, nothing was ever established. But, for a period of about 2 to 3 years there was a one-to-one relationship between the blond leaving India and Billy having a contact.

And there is something else you might figure out, or work on. It is Billy stumbling onto Military men looking at his contact sites. For all their science, the clowns in the UFO do not always work out every thing to perfection.

As a military officer you were exposed to a few classes in physics. As the book says about the rocks and the gold, the physics are the same, this world, or some other. That means that what is known, about physics here, will also apply up there.

The UFO is has a power source, which is obviously related to gravity, and electro magnetic properties of physics. That is all packed into a small space and effects the world around it. Add to that some cloaking device, and a few stray things, and you have a ship, which will give off a few things in the line of radiation. If the dogs can spot the UFOs, then use dogs, which we did around some military and science bases In the early days. If the TV flutters when one comes by, start from there for making a detection device.

It logically follows that about the time that the Governments got into the business of knowing about UFOs, they also got into learning how to detect the things, when they flew by. And it was a dog, who´s action told us that flying saucer had clocking devices. It did not turn out to be all that hard to make a detection device. The Swiss Government has such devices and obviously uses them.

The last time I had anything to do with such devices, which was a long time ago, and the devices where physically very large because their radios had vacuum tubes, they could be rigged to do several different things, and the American Government was screwing with a model that would give the general direction the UFO was traveling. By now they could be the size of a pack of smokes, and give direction along with the make and model of the UFO. me In the late 50s we could define between about four types of UFOs based on how they effected our devices. If I remember some of the information coming out of Billy´s area, the DALs would normally send out a couple of other ships to scout the area, some time several days in advance, before the contact ship showed up. At that time the devices the Swiss had, could tell the difference between the two types of ships normally used. It could also tell the difference between several of the small ball-shaped probes that might be sent out.

I know it to be a fact that the Swiss Government has contact with Space people. But, like all such contacts, the restriction on who knows about it comes from space. The Swiss in fact probably have the best contact of any country in the world. But, that is speculation on my part.

And here I might should add something. Within the Governments of the world, how many I do not know, but based on the patterns, probably most of the reasonable governments, there has been contact from space. But, within any government there will exist two possible sets of information. Those who study UFOs, from the ground looking up, and trade some types of information some times, and those who are in the direct contact position. The two are not necessarily the same person, or department.

I know it to be a fact, having talked to a man who made the trip with him, that Ike had dinner on a space ship. I also know that the Queen of England has been on a space ship, once for medical treatment.

You mentioned something in passing that was interesting. It was your being "spied" on. I have no idea as to who is doing what to whom in your case. But, I do know that there was once a proposal put out to step on UFO investigators, and contactees a little bit, to keep the field from expanding too much, so the real contacts would not be lost in the pure bull ****.

As some one who has been in government, you can probably spot the conflicting, and over lapping authorities, that tend to keep showing up in cases like your self. You never out right ask the question, "what the hell´s Naval Intelligence doing in UFOs, but if you do, they were the "initiating authority" in the solution to the problem of the old FOO Fighters of WW2, and the boys who proved UFOs were from space. Once an Intelligence gathering community gets the initiating authority status in a field, especially if the job is dumped onto them, they are damned hard to pry out of that field.

Within the structure of the American UFO community there are a lot of stories running around. If you ever have the time and the chance, or inclination, you might look up the one piece of semi-hard evidence about a crashed UFO. It is the Brownsville, Texas saucer, which was a very old case. Dating back to right after WW2.

That ship came wobbling by Army Air Force base going about ten miles an hour. They first picked it up on radar, when It was about 40 miles away, which gave them vast amounts of time. Then with field glass as It approached, and finally as a visual. They had enough time that they were able to get a chase plane up in the air to follow the saucer to where it crashed, about ten miles deep in Mexico. Their first action was to get a parachute rigger into a plane, and jump him out over the crash site with a stencil and a can of Red Paint, to mark USAAF on the side of the saucer, so we could claim it was ours - in case the Mexicans showed up.

That ship was dragged back to the US by a cat. It left one hell of a skid trail. From the ground the skid trail can not be seen, because the government paid some Indians $5,000.0O0 to replant the ground. and hid all traces of that drag trail. But it can be seen from the air.

If seen from the air, it will be a very straight line that is almost due North and South. At the South end of the skid trail, there is an East-West gully, and just South of the gully is a small ridge, or very little hill. The small hill has a north south ridge on it. The saucer came to rest on the East side of that ridge up against the slope of the hill, or at the base of the very little hill.

Because the drag trail could be seen from the air the Indians were hired to make other trails on the ground, as a confusion factor. The true drag trail is the only straight one in the group.

This letter is long enough. Lots of luck with what you are doing.

Respectfully .....................(name deleted)

[Omni]

And you just ignore his stunts like taking a picture of a dinosaur book and saying he went back in time to snatch that photograph? His case has much more holes than it does evidence if you see counterarguments to his supposed evidence... You wont find a balanced representation of Meier from Michael Horn...

Sitting down with the Meier material takes more than reading a few snippets from the pages of self righteous debunkers, many of which are on the CIA payroll.

I'm not asking anybody to believe the Meier material, but I would ask those who are interested in it to suspend their judgement until such time they were able to take in the entire story.

Before beginning down the Meier path, know this, that any one out there who has something close to offer in terms of the truth will be subject to the full attention of intelligence communities of various countries who at the very least will attempt to insert false data so as to discredit the individual and the information they provide.

To think any story out there will be exempt from this treatment is to be naive.

As such, it is up to the individual to extract the wheat from the chaff.

Here is a letter sent from an anonymous intelligence worker to Wendelle Stevens explaining this very action in terms of Meier being the subject of purposeful disinformation being injected into the work.

Of course. Mind control is present in any contactee case from what I gather and have been told from my own contacts. So you have valid statements there. Character assassination is definietly a game the intelligence agencies play. I deal with these groups on a daily basis...

But...... How could they force him to take a photograph of a dinosaur book and say he went back in time... Seriously? The only path of thought from that I see is, Meier is corrupted too and falsified evidence. Such is the conclusion of such to me. He's been caught red handed too many times.

I do believe some of his material at least is immersive and well written. But I have a hard time taking it seriously when some things in his case were so ridiculously hoaxed.... Extraterrestrials is a subject I'm deeply connected to. It just is lame to see people manipulated by the cabal instead of actual ET wisdom. I personally think the Meier contact case was more a cabal operation than an extraterrestrial one. At the very least they mind controlled Meier to do dishonorable things... Hoaxing something should go against every fibre in a contactees body... After such a screwed up society in terms of people's reactions to telepathic contact, recognizing the value of truth becomes more defined... Why didn't Meier have this quality? Certainly the ETs can judge a persons soul and genetics and psychology...

Also, didn't Meier say one of his incarnations was Jesus? Just a minor detail that shows US government infiltration by my research. Often people in alternative media are mind controlled to say they were incarnated as so and so. It serves to flare up egos and turn people away from their content... A known tactic used by the cointelpro folks.

[DNA]

Did you succeed in getting to the moon? I have not really succeeded - each time as the moon looms up in my line of vision, I get a terrible surge of fear & dread. . . & back to the body I go. Once I asked my higher self to be taken there to meet "a kindly teacher", & ended up travelling with 2 of my cats. I encountered a little balding man, who told me to make an appointment with his secretary, which I did, but was not able to keep it. We were in a rather boring, grey building with steep stairs. I have no idea whether this was on the moon or not.

Is there something that stops us from investigating the moon? Has anyone else succeeded? Apparently there are some who have succeeded in going deep into the very body of the sun - something I would not even think of trying. Hope I'm not derailing the thread with this interjection!:o


oh If I could physically go there for a day , explore the pyramids , the crystal city , craters , domes ... magical ... it is my personal OBE vacation destination , which I will try again tonight to visit ... somebody distract the guards ...


This is very interesting to me.

I had this dream 8-10-2010
It was about going to the domed structures on the dark side of the moon.


I was on the moon, in one of the domed structures in one of the craters on the darkside of the moon. There were houses all lined up on an avenue, not a street per se. The sky was blue and had clouds in it, I remarked about that saying how wierd it was to see a blue sky while on the moon. Everyone I knew in real life was there, and many many more that I didn't.

There was a tour going on, with an invitation being made by the beings who lived on the moon to stay there. The kindness on the faces of the tour guides was only skin deep, and I know their intentions were malevolant. I didn't know what they wanted to do with all of us, but I knew it was bad. I tried to tell friends and family we had to run, these beings have bad intentions. But even though everyone agreed, they seemed to be mind controlled and wouldn't leave. I ended up leaving everyone I knew and running for my life from these beings. The dream had the over all taste in my mind, that the old twilight zone episode " how to serve man" had. Where aliens land with the guise of being kind but really wanna eat everybody.

[DNA]

Of course. Mind control is present in any contactee case from what I gather and have been told from my own contacts. So you have valid statements there. Character assassination is definietly a game the intelligence agencies play. I deal with these groups on a daily basis...

But...... How could they force him to take a photograph of a dinosaur book and say he went back in time... Seriously? The only path of thought from that I see is, Meier is corrupted too and falsified evidence. Such is the conclusion of such to me. He's been caught red handed too many times.

I do believe some of his material at least is immersive and well written. But I have a hard time taking it seriously when some things in his case were so ridiculously hoaxed....

Meier did not have the resources a lot of folks think he did. In the case of the letter I responded to you with, the intelligence worker stated that they would simply take the film Meier would deposit at the Photo-mat and take what they considered to be extroidinary and many times substitute a picture for a fake. This fake would be inserted into the pictures to be returned to Meier. This fake that would be hard for Meier to initially recognize, but would be easy to point out at a later date by professional debunkers once he included it in his pictorial contact biography.

According to Randolph Winters, Meier was also attacked by ET types who had their own agendas in terms of controlling our planet and our information. These folks were called the Befath, and or the Giza Intelligence.

Apparently it is not easy being a contactee, and I for one would turn the job down if offered it.

All that being said, Meier has some amazing material to offer, and if an intelligent person were to take the time to take in the information, I think they would find the adventure worth while.

[Agape]

People wanting to create an image of themselves , self-projection of any sort .. is never honest at the end .
If you encounter an elephant , and lets say it's quite rare to encounter elephants on earth nowadays .. two , three or ten times even ...

do you call yourself 'Elephant Contactee' ?

Will you start claiming that you understand all that elephants do and told you and call yourself 'their ambassador' .
Well, if you do , it's your story, entirely your problem . The Elephants may be bit wiser than you are , they realise they can't live like you and you can't live like them ,
even that much is my speculation..

But here you have this beautiful human ability to create stories . And vent his/hers subconscious mind .. in volumes and volumes of science fiction ..
I've read somewhere that Isaac Assimov was considered man with the highest IQ of his time .. not the one measurable in tests , the one approved by fellow humans ...

I believe in ET-Human Contact but not in 'contactees by profession' . I believe Billy Meier had ET contact but from there ... and to asses the whole matter correctly,
the whole intelligence - political game would have to stop throwing false mirrors here and allow a space for scientific assessment and investigation.

Same for many others.


Human beings are the only species I know of who talk too much -- because they can't think properly -- , and with talking too much, much nonsense is free to come about as well .

If you don't want to be 'mind controlled' , don't engage in mind controls . It's simple as that .
Buddha called himself 'awakened' from the bardo of becoming ..
becoming something, someone important, anyone with definitions at all . Not here to pass influence on others .. we all do , and there's no harm .

In my opinion, by reading , listening, watching too many science fiction stories .. and versions of reality , people block themselves from communication and contact with ETs as well .

:tea:

[Omni]

Of course. Mind control is present in any contactee case from what I gather and have been told from my own contacts. So you have valid statements there. Character assassination is definietly a game the intelligence agencies play. I deal with these groups on a daily basis...

But...... How could they force him to take a photograph of a dinosaur book and say he went back in time... Seriously? The only path of thought from that I see is, Meier is corrupted too and falsified evidence. Such is the conclusion of such to me. He's been caught red handed too many times.

I do believe some of his material at least is immersive and well written. But I have a hard time taking it seriously when some things in his case were so ridiculously hoaxed....

Meier did not have the resources a lot of folks think he did. In the case of the letter I responded to you with, the intelligence worker stated that they would simply take the film Meier would deposit at the Photo-mat and take what they considered to be extroidinary and many times substitute a picture for a fake. This fake would be inserted into the pictures to be returned to Meier. This fake that would be hard for Meier to initially recognize, but would be easy to point out at a later date by professional debunkers once he included it in his pictorial contact biography.

According to Randolph Winters, Meier was also attacked by ET types who had their own agendas in terms of controlling our planet and our information. These folks were called the Befath, and or the Giza Intelligence.

Apparently it is not easy being a contactee, and I for one would turn the job down if offered it.

All that being said, Meier has some amazing material to offer, and if an intelligent person were to take the time to take in the information, I think they would find the adventure worth while.
What about the gun he was in a picture with? It was found to be a frankenstien concoction of many different toy guns at the time. And was hilariously tacky for an advanced race to use... I give every case the benefit of the doubt when looking into it. Meier's case wreaks of fabrication. With the epic amount of information though I'm sure some truths were woven into the disinformation mound...

From simply examining the photos Meier would be able to identify the blond chick isn't Samjase, and the dinosaur pic isn't what he saw... I think it's quite firmly established at this point Meier fabricated evidence. And I have no doubt he was mind controlled...


Apparently it is not easy being a contactee, and I for one would turn the job down if offered it.
It certainly hasn't been easy for me. So maybe you are wise to think that way. After how interesting ET contact is, I think I am fortunate to have ET contact but at the same time I would take it all away if it meant the US government would have never sabotaged me, damaged my brain/body etc and would leave me be to live my life purpose(which kind of opposes them naturally)..

[Omni]

Just researched if Meier said he was Jesus. Apparently that was made up. Although he is quoted as being: "the prophet of the New Age". Not exactly something that resonates with me as something ETs would want to create... At least the ETs you would want to hang out with...

[DNA]

Just researched if Meier said he was Jesus. Apparently that was made up. Although he is quoted as being: "the prophet of the New Age". Not exactly something that resonates with me as something ETs would want to create... At least the ETs you would want to hang out with...

The Jesus thing is in my opinion, the absolute worst thing Meier did. I've read the books as published by Wendelle Stevens, and yes he does state that there was an incarnational relationship between himself and Jesus.

This was the single most damning action Meier ever took, and I concede this.
It was the single greatest reason I was at one point considering throwing his material to the wayside.

But that being said, if you can get over it, and many understandably can not, I still consider his material worth while.

[Agape]

This topic would of course deserve whole another new thread .... but what I'm trying to allude to in the following likeness is not the ridicule ,
it's the necessity of ridicule itself , the need to break bonds of this tightly controlled conformist human society,
the reason itself why society looks upon 'ET Contact' as crazy simply because it does not fit in to their 'norms' and never will .

It's this invisible ( yes always, strictly, invisible ) thread of humane wisdom .. humane because it's reach is beyond human intellect , ego, convictions and societal controls and paradigms ..
this invisible thread that binds together past, presence and future of humanity .

How can anyone break a paradigm without actually, breaking some rules and laws ?

No , you can't .

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/07/19/world/asia/japan-inspirational-cross-dresser/index.html?hpt=hp_t4

A 51-year-old male schoolgirl? Meet Tokyo's inspirational cross-dresser



This is the person you want to contact when you come to earth, right ;)

The other people whom you want to contact are dancing around big telescope at Puerto Rico , Arecibo and call themselves 'SETI Contact Group' .

They too claim to be 'contactees' though they insist on never seeing an alien , not even in their dreams ...

I always wonder .. well ..

[ghostrider]

Just researched if Meier said he was Jesus. Apparently that was made up. Although he is quoted as being: "the prophet of the New Age". Not exactly something that resonates with me as something ETs would want to create... At least the ETs you would want to hang out with...

The ET's influence the spirit form that teaches all worlds spirit teaching , it has lived in the bodies of many personalities over many time epochs , they follow it and teach the person ancient wisdom , each prophet had the same message and mission ...They would call it an announcer of truth , mankind elevated it to god not matter what area it incarnated ...which is why they don't openly show themselves , they don't want to create another religion ...

[ghostrider]

Prophecies and predictions spot on for over 60 years is unmatched in our time ... I've waited five years for contact report 5 to be translated into English ... the amazing thing is this conversation came as symbols though telepathy in a single constant flow and he put it in language form in one setting with one arm ... they say he knows 3 million symbols , the language of the universe , symbols ... Our moon holds many secrets , no wonder we were warned off ... not even ET wants us snooping around up there ... The moon brought here by the tail of the destroyer comet 1.7 times the size of earth ...

[Jake]

[QUOTE=ghostrider;855345]Our little Moon doesn't even come from this UNIVERSE ... strange everything rotates except our Moon ... interesting our Moon pulled by our Sun , then pulled back by Earth creating a motion/force that stirs our oceans , which helps make air for sealife ... A cosmic engine that sustains life ... it's right there and we know so little about it ... every night we can see it , it has a pulling magical intrigue about it ... Does anyone get the idea that there is something important about our Moon we have yet to fully understand ??? A true anomaly , right next door , older than anything else around us ...exactly in the right spot to block out an object 93 million miles away ... oh If I could physically go there for a day , explore the pyramids , the crystal city , craters , domes ... magical ... it is my personal OBE vacation destination , which I will try again tonight to visit ... somebody distract the guards ...[QUOTE]

Did you succeed in getting to the moon? I have not really succeeded - each time as the moon looms up in my line of vision, I get a terrible surge of fear & dread. . . & back to the body I go. Once I asked my higher self to be taken there to meet "a kindly teacher", & ended up travelling with 2 of my cats. I encountered a little balding man, who told me to make an appointment with his secretary, which I did, but was not able to keep it. We were in a rather boring, grey building with steep stairs. I have no idea whether this was on the moon or not.

Is there something that stops us from investigating the moon? Has anyone else succeeded? Apparently there are some who have succeeded in going deep into the very body of the sun - something I would not even think of trying. Hope I'm not derailing the thread with this interjection!:o

After several months of trying, I made it to the moon... I will not try again!! Here is a small chapter in The Book of Jacob, regarding my experiences projecting to the moon: Can't get to the moon... (http://thebookofjacob.webs.com/apps/blog/show/6889850-can-t-get-to-the-moon)


Can’t Get to the Moon.

Another experiment that was ongoing for several years, (and still is to an extent) is getting to the moon while out of body. I was able to travel vast distances with just a thought, so I decided that I would visit the moon and back, just to see if I could. I knew that there would be no way to verify this one, but verification was not an important factor in this experiment. I just wanted to see if I could. I tried dozens of times before I got there, but even then my vision was dark and muddy, and I could have been anywhere. Keep in mind that the ‘dozen’ times that I tried, were spontaneous experiences. I always keep journals and I always have several goals/experiments going on at one time. I often find myself completely uninterested in with my current goal (while out of body), and end up wasting my time putting my hands through walls and flying around and what not. Remember the average fully conscience OBE is only 30 seconds to a minute before it either ends, or phases into a more astral event. I thought that it would be best if I had several different experiments in mind so that I would have ‘options’ while out of body. And it is true! (At least for me.) Each time that I tried to get to the moon was a complete failure, even though I was having fairly good success with other experiments.
My first opportunity to try came in the middle of a cluster event. A cluster event is a series of spontaneous OBE exits and re-entries. This repeats several times over five or six minutes. They are usually the most vivid and lucid OBE’s. It is like there is a tremendous amount of energy being released/discharged and re-entry is prohibited completely, and another immediate exit occurs. This creates, among other things, some pretty intense bi-location effects. Consider the following journal entry from March 29th 2007:

March 29th 2007. Thursday.
Afternoon nap around 1:00 or 1:30pm. Waking and drifting. Full energy body hum, no vibrations. The energy body sensations were not really that intense. Exit was fairly easy. (Roll out Method.) Recognizing that the OBE state was fairly ‘thin’, I knew that I had little time. I headed straight outside to get to one of my new goals. Getting to the moon! I noticed right away that there was way too much light. Too much… was trying to look up at the sky to locate the moon. Bad idea. From the front yard I noticed a light in the sky. A light in the N.W. sky and it was not the moon. Couldn’t get a good look at it because it relocated behind a bank of trees. As I was moving to get a better look, the ‘thin’ OBE state broke, and I was in my bed again, waking and drifting. Full energy body humming sensation was still rumbling. Exited again, roll out. Seemed to roll out right into the garage. Went through the garage door, and out into the street. I intended to locate the moon and instant-project there. I looked over and saw a copy of ME. It was looking up toward the N.W. I watched as this projected double dissipated right in front of me. And was back in my bed in an instant. Energy body sensations faded, and I reached for my journal.
Note: I decided yesterday to add a new objective to my list of goals. Getting to the moon. I had heard about it and wanted to check it out.
Note: I went outside to check to see where the moon is. It is a very nice day outside. I cannot see the moon, but there is a tall bank of trees obstructing the view of the N.W. sky. Do not see the moon anywhere.
Note: Maybe multiple exits in a single session is not advisable. The OBE state seemed very delicate and the experience was very short. I also feel that I run the risk of forgetting the OBE if I don’t keep it short.
Note: Some sort of strange bi-location/time-slip event.

I did not get to the moon this time. It seems that I would have to come to terms with another aspect of the overall experience before I could be successful. It had to do with my fear of E.T.’s and U.F.O.’s. It seemed like the same powerful fear that I would experience in the early years. It was fear of the unknown coupled with awareness of the unknown. It was my first indication that if I was going to get to the moon, I was going to have to face some of my most primal fears. The moon was not in the sky, but there was a light that relocated itself behind a bank of trees when I noticed it. I tried hard not to think about it, but the reality of benevolent mentorship comes with the reality of E.T.’s. (Benevolent or not!) I did not want to revisit my abduction days, but I knew that the experience (at least this experiment) would not mature until I faced some of these basic fears. I was safe and back in my body for now.
My next chance came on April 21st, not quite a month later. Another mid-day OBE that was crystal clear and lucid. I went out into the street, located the moon, charged up energy, focused all my thought and will, and, poof; NOTHING. Instant-projecting to far away locations is has been a very basic undertaking in many OBE’s. Not this one. I remember grinning and being quite tickled at the fact that something seemed to be stopping me from my ’moon-jump’ attempts. I sat Indian-style and hovered in the street with my eyes closed. I tried again. I remember feeling the same sensations that I had felt in the past when traveling long distances. Very amazing feeling. Everything went pitch black. I know that I had made it to the moon, but I had lost my vision. To make matters worse, I was suddenly hit with the strongest urge to get the hell out of there. It was sudden and intense! So, I got the hell out of there! There seems to be more to the moon than meets the eye, and I am wondering if I should continue with theses experiments. I certainly had other things that I could be doing.
One of my final attempts to make it to the moon occurred on Sunday, May 6th 2007. After a fairly easy exit, I made it out into the dining room area before I remembered my goals/experiments. I was going to try to get to the moon again. That is where my memory of this event ends abruptly. I do not know how long it had been, but when I came to, I was sobbing from whatever had been occurring. I had a dreadful feeling about trying to get to the moon, and I had an overwhelming experience that I did not remember, but the message came through loud and clear. STAY AWAY FROM THE MOON! I wanted to remember what happened but, at the same time, I was terrified at what I thought probably happened. I do not know the details, but I feel strongly that there are intelligences that are not human that are protective of the moon! As absurd as it may sound, this is what I learned while I was out of my body! I decided that I had had enough of this particular experiment. I would still keep it on the ‘back burner’ but I will not actively pursue the moon experiments too much from here on.
I was learning a lot. It seemed that I had opened up a can of worms. My OBE’s started becoming more ASTRAL than dense-astral, or, RTZ. The information fields that I was ‘surfing’ were not going to be kind to me. Some of the truths that we find are going to be dreadful. Much of the information is devastating, as I am becoming aware of different groups of multidimensional E.T.’s. This was not the answer that I was expecting to get. I was just trying to get to the moon for fun. Be careful what you ask for. (Or be prepared, whichever works best for you.)


I still, have not tried to go back..

Cheers,,
Jake.

[thunder24]

http://news.discovery.com/space/astronomy/why-doesnt-moon-spin-tides-locked-130327.htm


Common sense suggests that these two tidal bulges would be perfectly aligned with each other, but in reality, the rotation of the two objects tend to drag the bulge along a little. The end result is the extra pull from the slightly off-set bulge acts like a bicycle brake on the moon slowing its rotation to such a degree that it now takes the same time for it to orbit the Earth once as it does to rotate on its axis once.

Therefore, the moon does rotate, just once per orbit. Its a phenomenon known as 'synchronous rotation' and is commonly seen on other 'tidally-locked' moon systems in our solar system.



http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/misc/moon_spin.html


apparently the moon does rotate

[ghostrider]

Jake I had pretty much the same event trying to visit the sun ... I won't do that again ... there are some things that must remain hands off , until humanity reaches another level of clarity ...

[Jake]

http://news.discovery.com/space/astronomy/why-doesnt-moon-spin-tides-locked-130327.htm


Common sense suggests that these two tidal bulges would be perfectly aligned with each other, but in reality, the rotation of the two objects tend to drag the bulge along a little. The end result is the extra pull from the slightly off-set bulge acts like a bicycle brake on the moon slowing its rotation to such a degree that it now takes the same time for it to orbit the Earth once as it does to rotate on its axis once.

Therefore, the moon does rotate, just once per orbit. Its a phenomenon known as 'synchronous rotation' and is commonly seen on other 'tidally-locked' moon systems in our solar system.



http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/misc/moon_spin.html


apparently the moon does rotate

Just enough to keep it facing the earth, as the earth moves in a rotating motion. The face of the moon is always the same face, from Earth... If the moon was not 'spinning' at all,, we would be able to see the back side of it as 'we' rotate around... But it always faces the earth,,,, some have called it 'tidally locked',,, yet it still does not spin independently unto itself. Every other celestial body spins... like a top.... Not so, with the moon.

Jake

[Centauri]

Excellent point on the motives behind claiming to be the one and only truth. The red flag of vanity and usually deception.

I had a question about how vague the alien is being when describing a man-made hole that all this stuff routinely flies through. Why is it just left open? When was it made if the human cultures were just starting out in that 'time/space-shifted' portion containing that solar system? I do find it interesting that the vastness of space is multiplied by the parallel dimensions and seems to coincide with some other accounts. Who knows if the accounts influenced eachother or not.

I always thought of the moon to be purposefully planted seeing as it has such a profound effect on the way life grows here on earth. It's like a very complex life-fertilizer. Tidally locked by design to enable one side of the surface to be built upon (along with whatever is built inside of the moon) to avoid the advancement of telescope tech on earth. To say that it got here by accident and then fell into exact place by accident.... I don't know.

About the wandering planet. Why would a culture with the technology to destroy the wanderer not do so?

I do like the explanation of Venus. I guess what would be necessary to verify this claim is to find the earliest recognition of Venus on earth by whatever culture. If it predates 3500 years ago, then we know the claim is false. Unfortunately, the earliest we have is Innana. And the evidence is still very thin on why scholars think Innana is a representation of Venus (and not an actual creature).

On a side note about you guys trying to get to the moon during an OBE.... amazing. I feel like I should learn what you guys are doing. I am really enjoying this whole forum.

[Flowerpunkchip]

Pluto and its moon both always show the same face to each other. It's not unusual.

Oh and I don't believe a word of what Meier says and I certainly don't work for the government.

[ghostrider]

I wish NASA would come clean , show the clear photos... They say the truth shall set you free , then a lie will make you a prisoner ...