Manipulation of the "New Age" Movement

[Omni]

This has been discussed before but I can't find a thread on it... I have searched for the whistleblower info about the new age being manipulated from like the 70s in TPTBs agenda but can't seem to find it. If someone has a link to this I would be interested to review it.

What I was told by my contacts and have adopted as one of my theories is this...

By witnessing other worlds develop extraterrestrials can predict with great accuracy certain growths and developments in humans(or other races). For example any one of us could go to a developing world that just discovered the internet and become a billionaire... An organic 'New Age' movement (chakras, reincarnation, etc) was witnessed and it involved many good things. Like holistic healing/cures for ailments, resistance to the normal dogmatic religions put in place by the controllers on various worlds, belief in reincarnation and chakras, things like that... Anyway, what I was told was the info on 'new age' movements witnessed on other planets, was relayed to the US government by nefarious ETs, and the US government sought to create their own version of it before it became about organically and was a positive thing for humanity. I will review some of the things I have witnessed that I believe are US government manipulations within the 'new age'...

Channeled Material
I am not saying it is all US government. But I am saying maybe 99% of it is US government... I have channeled before and know how it works. Channeling by my experience is certainly not an interdimensional being without a body entering you and channeling.... It is technological control of the mind. Channeling = Mind Control. With AI and interfaces available a being can infuse with your mind and you can channel them, but in most cases it is an AI feeding the channeler the material by my experienced estimations...

Ascension
If the world interdimensionally shifted into two timelines from 2012 I will eat my own hat(taking a line from bill lol).
I have my suspicions that the whole ascension to 5d etc is a fabrication. And that the different densities may actually just be metaphors for differing stages of evolution etc. I could be wrong about the densities but when I hear someone say 6th density beings I just think very advanced benevolent lifeforms. Not an actual 6th density field for these beings. That is at least where I stand now...

Regardless, the whole idea of earth ascending if I had to guess, is new age propaganda. The idea has been manipulated it seems to me...


Guru Psy Ops
Many propped up people are in the alternative community. It's a major psy op war over beliefs in the new age communities. One thing I was told by my contacts is the US government has a system for predicting what people will be able to accomplish in life, and at times uses this system to propagate someone within the new age community..

Anyway, many different opposing information from various gurus/contactees/etc serves to keep us believing different things making us more divided or more likely to ignore each others wisdoms when they are had.. I wont name any names of who I think was propped up, as that is offensive(minus one),.. I feel confident enough to name one name. Ashyane(sp) dean and keylontic science,.. No doubt in my mind it was a new age psy op done by the US government.

Recycled Religions(once again)
They use the images/aspects of Jesus, and telepathically use the facade 'aspect' of Archangels to people. Also they impersonate God to some people. According to Robert Duncan (IIRC) the US gov originally called electronic telepathy "The Voice of God". Some terrorists report Allah telling them to do things.. hmmm......

Saviorship Model
Used in the creation of christianity.. And also used in new age channeled materials... I do believe we need help in some ways with our situation, but we also have a lot of work to do no matter what as a race. The new age channeled material is often a saviorship model of helplessness for humanity and ET races coming in to save us with no emphasis on tangible personal growth techniques such as self reflection or taking action ourselves...

Overly Optimistic
One new age stigma is only focusing on the positive or being overly positive. I agree it has it's uses, but such serves to keep eyes from information the US gov doesn't want people to know.

I do believe everything will work out for humanity, and we will join the galactic and universal community, as well as become healthy. But I can't help but notice a general idea in the new age thinkers that the dark has lost, when all evidence in the world shows they have not and they still reign on earth... Thinking the dark has already lost inspires lack of action against what is taking place.


Immune to Outside Influence via Whatever Method
I have observed in new age circles that many think they are immune to manipulation or flat out control because they have identified very rudimentary first steps of the global conspiracy and see through some of the agenda. Such is in the desires of the controllers for people to have the view they cannot be controlled(while being controlled). In some cases people are more resistant to being controlled, for sure. But as I understand it everyone can be controlled by technology as the mind and perception etc is totally open source. For young races this is a bad thing in ways, for old races it is a good thing as they control their own minds to enhance their experience etc(but still use their soul)...

Anyway that is what I can come up with right now. I may add more later if I think of something as I feel I am missing a lot of good points I should know... Again if anyone has links to the whistleblower that said he heard the new age being talked about before it happened and it was a plan to manipulate it plz post them. :)

[Hazelfern]

About 'channeled' material, I recently read on another forum that Edgar Cayce was being lumped into that category and was considered a pawn. Does that make sense? I am wording it awkwardly but the person was implying that Edgar had been manipulated by other worldly powers who were trying to lead humans astray.
The implication kind of rubbed me the wrong way. I have always considered Edgar to be the real deal.
What do you think?

[Omni]

About 'channeled' material, I recently read on another forum that Edgar Cayce was being lumped into that category and was considered a pawn. Does that make sense? I am wording it awkwardly but the person was implying that Edgar had been manipulated by other worldly powers who were trying to lead humans astray.
The implication kind of rubbed me the wrong way. I have always considered Edgar to be the real deal.
What do you think?
Edward Cayce's case was far before the US government got the technology to mind control. To me, any channeling case before like 1940 or so is more credible automatically. That doesn't mean it's from a trustworthy source. But it just means it's probably from 'up there'. Which could be a collaboration of both polar opposite groups of ETs, or one side. Either way it would be an exopolitical agreement from how I see it.

[Centauri]

I like the cut of your jib, there Omni.

Lately, I have been analyzing everything against the service to self/service to others concept. If it smacks of vanity then it is immediately suspect to me. Even veiled vanity that takes the form of 'more enlightened and experienced than you' attitude.

As for positivity, there is a way to remain positive and remain active. It is more a matter of defiance to me. If there are beings who are just loving how much negativity we spread in our reactions to events, then they will get no such meal from me. I even consider outrage to be a positive driving force for action. I was addressing this in the numerology thread trying to spur some actual action against the badguys if the practice does indeed work. The only kind of action I myself seem capable of is speaking up when something is clearly wrong or the information is not correct and/or taking people to task on their claims. I spend a little time doing this in comments sections across many news websites every morning. I want to do more but I am not sure how.

As for feeling that evil has lost the battle, I certainly do not subscribe to this delusion. They are on the ropes, yes... but a little bit away from total defeat. I have no idea how we would rebuid after full exposure of the cabal anyways. The people in the county I live in.... I don't see the majority of them being ok with being told that their american-dream-super-consumption lifestyle will have to stop. Imagine all those people with jetskis and muscle-car projects on the sides of their mini-mansions complete with a swimming pool of wasted fresh water having to give it aaaaaaaall up. Or imagine them being told that society needs some socialist ideas (like caring for the weak or ill) to mature.

As for links to whistleblowers.... I haven't any. I just appreciate bringing attention to the idea.

[Omni]

Updated the OP with 'ascension' category.

[AriG]

Omniverse,

Excellent thread. Thank you! Can you elaborate a bit more about the technology involved in channeling? How does it work (nuts and bolts)? Knowing this might provide us with another tool in our box to resist. (personally, I suspect that any machinery involved is still in the rudimentary stages..biology is another story) Thank you!

[joeecho]

Immune to Outside Influence via Whatever Method
I have observed in new age circles that many think they are immune to manipulation or flat out control because they have identified very rudimentary first steps of the global conspiracy and see through some of the agenda. Such is in the desires of the controllers for people to have the view they cannot be controlled(while being controlled). In some cases people are more resistant to being controlled, for sure. But as I understand it everyone can be controlled by technology as the mind and perception etc is totally open source. For young races this is a bad thing in ways, for old races it is a good thing as they control their own minds to enhance their experience etc(but still use their soul)...


Thank you Omniverse,

Speaking for myself, I can get bogged down in the complexities of what is going on and forget about the rudimentary/ first steps as you put it.

This part of your post speaks particular to me as in just the last 12-16 hours I had been specifically meditating on the very thing I highlighted of your post.

Is the global conspiracy put here to cover over the path to the genesis of Conspiracy itself and thus prevent my complete awareness of it? Is it that big yet that simple?

I do not know if my post contributes to your thread and my apologies in advance if it doesn't. I do not always know what drives me to post. :o

Maybe it is in the hopes that it speaks to someone that reads it as your post spoke to me.

[Omni]

Is the global conspiracy put here to cover over the path to the genesis of Conspiracy itself and thus prevent my complete awareness of it? Is it that big yet that simple?

I'm not sure it's there to hide other stages of it. It certainly is harder to believe the deeper you go. The apex of the conspiracy seems to be reptile ETs(not really shapeshifters). Their agenda seems to be the main agenda of all the countries that they made deals with to give them mind control tech. Those countries seem to be following a 'mold' of sorts given to them by the nefarious ETs. An alarming agenda to say the least. It involves eugenics of the wickedest kind, holding humanity back spiritually etc. Things like that.

[Milneman]

They use the images/aspects of Jesus, and telepathically use the facade 'aspect' of Archangels to people. Also they impersonate God to some people. According to Robert Duncan (IIRC) the US gov originally called electronic telepathy "The Voice of God". Some terrorists report Allah telling them to do things.. hmmm......

Could they also use the images of extra terrestrials....in which case Omni, does that not introduce the possibility that your contact is in fact...ohoh.....US government seeding you? hmm.....

I have observed in new age circles that many think they are immune to manipulation or flat out control because they have identified very rudimentary first steps of the global conspiracy and see through some of the agenda. Such is in the desires of the controllers for people to have the view they cannot be controlled(while being controlled). In some cases people are more resistant to being controlled, for sure. But as I understand it everyone can be controlled by technology as the mind and perception etc is totally open source. For young races this is a bad thing in ways, for old races it is a good thing as they control their own minds to enhance their experience etc(but still use their soul)...

Again...why are you immune? How can you be certain of your immunity?

I'm not sure it's there to hide other stages of it. It certainly is harder to believe the deeper you go. The apex of the conspiracy seems to be reptile ETs(not really shapeshifters). Their agenda seems to be the main agenda of all the countries that they made deals with to give them mind control tech. Those countries seem to be following a 'mold' of sorts given to them by the nefarious ETs. An alarming agenda to say the least. It involves eugenics of the wickedest kind, holding humanity back spiritually etc. Things like that.

You know, it suddenly occurred to me what this reminds me of: this is the same kind of rhetoric used by the inquisition against witches!

Help me see what I'm missing, won't you? Maybe philosophy has corrupted my perception......

[Omni]

Could they also use the images of extra terrestrials....in which case Omni, does that not introduce the possibility that your contact is in fact...ohoh.....US government seeding you? hmm.....
They have impersonated ETs to me plenty of times. But at this point I think it's fairly obvious I am dealing with both ETs and the US government. I doubt the US government would be willing to show me an exotic craft in broad daylight up close in a populated area of a ship that has no record online that I can find of. Or gone over what mind control with me I have received and highlighted why and helped me get back to my own beliefs...



Again...why are you immune? How can you be certain of your immunity?
I am not immune.




You know, it suddenly occurred to me what this reminds me of: this is the same kind of rhetoric used by the inquisition against witches!
Burning witches and the like also served their agenda. At least when they burnt someone who healed with herbs or someone saying science will help us or something like that. Christianity served to invert our natural selection...

[Omni]

Omniverse,

Excellent thread. Thank you! Can you elaborate a bit more about the technology involved in channeling? How does it work (nuts and bolts)? Knowing this might provide us with another tool in our box to resist. (personally, I suspect that any machinery involved is still in the rudimentary stages..biology is another story) Thank you!
Sorry totally missed this post! I can :)

Basically the more in depth channeling requires an AI to have your mind mapped for one. ETs routinely mind map people. So does the US government. Anyway after mind mapping someone, which is going into their brain with nano tech and recording the pathways, memories etc, they are able to control that person via an AI to channel any language of information, through the language of the person writing the channeling. There are more archaic ways to channel as well. Such as serving detailed concepts/imprints and having a channeler describe them in their own words. Most forms of channeling is total control of the brain. From what I can relate from my own stint of channeling a blog was they throw in various concepts and may control discernment/belief as well when channeling material.

To be clear when I was channeling on my blog I was channeling an AI that had access to all my memories. So it wasn't a traditional channeling...

Channeling technology is perfected by extraterrestrials, and has been used many times throughout history. The Bible is channeled material mostly for example. Over the years extraterrestrials have chosen various people to channel them, but it is often covert and the person believes it is themselves coming up with the content. Musician's/Artists in greek culture had ideas about channeling...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muse

The Muses, (Ancient Greek: Μοῦσαι Mousai; perhaps from the o-grade of the Proto-Indo-European root *men- "think"[1]) in Greek mythology, poetry and literature, are the goddesses of the inspiration of literature, science and the arts. They were considered the source of the knowledge, related orally for centuries in the ancient culture, that was contained in poetic lyrics and myths.

Channeling is very old on earth. And has covertly brought us some of our best art, music, and literature. It is not only a bad thing.

A person who has channeled you can bet is hooked up to a transhuman network. ETs have these networks too so they are not all bad. Transhumanism is a very acute double edged sword. And channeling is part of transhumanism.

[joeecho]

Also they impersonate God to some people.

This has also entered recently into my meditation as well.

Could there be a more potent mind control then a false god? Of course it would not be a false god to the 'believers'. I do not think it's a stretch to see the power in that. Imagine being raised since birth to worship a particular god and also believing that much of the people around you also believe in this essentially same god with all the trappings that go with it (images/ idols, places of worship, TV shows, books, songs etc.). And then imagine it has all been taking place for many generations. How could someone escape something like that? Would it not be the last thing they would feel they needed escape from?

To question this particular god would be at the very least....sinful, blasphemous, evil etc. and they would be labeled an infidel, heathen, gentile, heretic etc.. And at certain times or places in history (or the present), a person or group would be marked for death/ hell by 'believers'. At some point these 'believers' would demand complete conversion or the complete annulation of 'nonbelievers' would they not?

This knowledge would rewrite history if it was fully realized by the populous. If it happened in a moment it would change 'reality' in a moment IMO.

.:: Edit ::.

Instead of "rewrite history", which sounds like making up history to me, maybe a better wording would be....correcting the wrongs put down as history.

[Deega]

Hey thanks Omniverse, a few years back, I read Mark Passio, in the Exohuman Web Site, stating "The New Age Movement has been specifically designed to prevent people from realizing their true spiritual nature and potential", , I would appreciate your comments if you may!

Web Site link: http://www.exohuman.com/wordpress/2013/11/mark-passio-new-age-suppression-of-the-sacred-masculine/

The best to you!

[joeecho]

Hey thanks Omniverse, a few years back, I read Mark Passio, in the Exohuman Web Site, stating "The New Age Movement has been specifically designed to prevent people from realizing their true spiritual nature and potential", , I would appreciate your comments if you may!

Web Site link: http://www.exohuman.com/wordpress/2013/11/mark-passio-new-age-suppression-of-the-sacred-masculine/

The best to you!

I would like to hear your comments on this as well, Omniverse.

My take on this is that the New Age Movement, like any spiritual movement whether officially titled or not, has both the content to lead further away or further towards realizing a "true spiritual nature and potential". Perhaps it is akin to transportation, some are more helpful/ efficient at a particular point in the journey then others. I mean, if you had a choice, you would not want to use a yacht to cross a pond and likewise a row boat to cross an ocean.

At least that is my experience.

I have gained understanding in my journey from multiple angles. I am not so sure I would have gained the level of 'fullness' that I have from traveling from only one specific angel. It's like learning different things about life from different parents/ relatives as you grow up as a child.

Avalon is a valuable part of my journey as well in that same vein of thought.

[Omni]

Hey thanks Omniverse, a few years back, I read Mark Passio, in the Exohuman Web Site, stating "The New Age Movement has been specifically designed to prevent people from realizing their true spiritual nature and potential", , I would appreciate your comments if you may!

Web Site link: http://www.exohuman.com/wordpress/2013/11/mark-passio-new-age-suppression-of-the-sacred-masculine/

The best to you!
One of the bigger goals I've witnessed in the agenda is to slow down spiritual development as much as possible. They even go as far as to stop many musicians from making better music... It's a wide ranging and very dark conspiracy... So that makes sense to me that it would be designed to hinder spiritual development. Although I'm not quite sure fully how... Religion I believe has served to hold humanity back from advancing spiritually. You can find many of the same correlations in the new age archtype to old religions..

I found Mark Passio's enormously long youtube video after posting this thread to the icke forum. Im at about 2 hours in. Only thing I really disagree with him about is there being a God.. He brings up some good points. Here is the video I'm currently watching:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q51l_E8Tlp0

[bodosa]

thanks Omniverse for this thread. i wanted to know a little bit more about AI.
is AI omnipresent ?
through what medium AI contacts or manipulates a person? example through radio waves or some other contact mediums.

[Omni]

thanks Omniverse for this thread. i wanted to know a little bit more about AI.
is AI omnipresent ?
As I understand it AI is present in almost all places near life in the universe at this point, if not all. Every detail about any society in the galaxy is being tracked by various extraterrestrial AIs. So in a way it is omnipresent. To me, the all seeing eye, is extraterrestrial AI that tracks literally everything.



through what medium AI contacts or manipulates a person? example through radio waves or some other contact mediums.

Telepathy is microwaves. It is known as microwave hearing. As for the control I'm not fully sure. I need to read my book from Dr. Robert Duncan. I believe he knows what technology is being used...

[wegge]

what do you think about Gaia theory as a selfaware being which we all are parts of?
and if so, has it been hijacked from outer space?

[joeecho]

In an evil realm, good is interpreted as evil.

In an evil realm, ascending is descending which is contrary to reason.

In an evil realm, everything is turned upside down. It cannot be reversed per its nature, however, a mirror offers a hint.

[Natalia]

I have a question to you, Omni...what does Artificial Intelligence mean? (I know it might seem like a silly question to some, lol, but seriously I want to know what the sort of context is here...mind control to me is not newly in my awareness, by AI is not something that I have come across like you have talked about it in some ways, or not in those words (AI) before...)...

[Sloppyjoe]

This has been discussed before but I can't find a thread on it... I have searched for the whistleblower info about the new age being manipulated from like the 70s in TPTBs agenda but can't seem to find it. If someone has a link to this I would be interested to review it.

What I was told by my contacts and have adopted as one of my theories is this...

By witnessing other worlds develop extraterrestrials can predict with great accuracy certain growths and developments in humans(or other races). For example any one of us could go to a developing world that just discovered the internet and become a billionaire... An organic 'New Age' movement (chakras, reincarnation, etc) was witnessed and it involved many good things. Like holistic healing/cures for ailments, resistance to the normal dogmatic religions put in place by the controllers on various worlds, belief in reincarnation and chakras, things like that... Anyway, what I was told was the info on 'new age' movements witnessed on other planets, was relayed to the US government by nefarious ETs, and the US government sought to create their own version of it before it became about organically and was a positive thing for humanity. I will review some of the things I have witnessed that I believe are US government manipulations within the 'new age'...

Channeled Material
I am not saying it is all US government. But I am saying maybe 99% of it is US government... I have channeled before and know how it works. Channeling by my experience is certainly not an interdimensional being without a body entering you and channeling.... It is technological control of the mind. Channeling = Mind Control. With AI and interfaces available a being can infuse with your mind and you can channel them, but in most cases it is an AI feeding the channeler the material by my experienced estimations...

Ascension
If the world interdimensionally shifted into two timelines from 2012 I will eat my own hat(taking a line from bill lol).
I have my suspicions that the whole ascension to 5d etc is a fabrication. And that the different densities may actually just be metaphors for differing stages of evolution etc. I could be wrong about the densities but when I hear someone say 6th density beings I just think very advanced benevolent lifeforms. Not an actual 6th density field for these beings. That is at least where I stand now...

Regardless, the whole idea of earth ascending if I had to guess, is new age propaganda. The idea has been manipulated it seems to me...


Guru Psy Ops
Many propped up people are in the alternative community. It's a major psy op war over beliefs in the new age communities. One thing I was told by my contacts is the US government has a system for predicting what people will be able to accomplish in life, and at times uses this system to propagate someone within the new age community..

Anyway, many different opposing information from various gurus/contactees/etc serves to keep us believing different things making us more divided or more likely to ignore each others wisdoms when they are had.. I wont name any names of who I think was propped up, as that is offensive(minus one),.. I feel confident enough to name one name. Ashyane(sp) dean and keylontic science,.. No doubt in my mind it was a new age psy op done by the US government.

Recycled Religions(once again)
They use the images/aspects of Jesus, and telepathically use the facade 'aspect' of Archangels to people. Also they impersonate God to some people. According to Robert Duncan (IIRC) the US gov originally called electronic telepathy "The Voice of God". Some terrorists report Allah telling them to do things.. hmmm......

Saviorship Model
Used in the creation of christianity.. And also used in new age channeled materials... I do believe we need help in some ways with our situation, but we also have a lot of work to do no matter what as a race. The new age channeled material is often a saviorship model of helplessness for humanity and ET races coming in to save us with no emphasis on tangible personal growth techniques such as self reflection or taking action ourselves...

Overly Optimistic
One new age stigma is only focusing on the positive or being overly positive. I agree it has it's uses, but such serves to keep eyes from information the US gov doesn't want people to know.

I do believe everything will work out for humanity, and we will join the galactic and universal community, as well as become healthy. But I can't help but notice a general idea in the new age thinkers that the dark has lost, when all evidence in the world shows they have not and they still reign on earth... Thinking the dark has already lost inspires lack of action against what is taking place.


Immune to Outside Influence via Whatever Method
I have observed in new age circles that many think they are immune to manipulation or flat out control because they have identified very rudimentary first steps of the global conspiracy and see through some of the agenda. Such is in the desires of the controllers for people to have the view they cannot be controlled(while being controlled). In some cases people are more resistant to being controlled, for sure. But as I understand it everyone can be controlled by technology as the mind and perception etc is totally open source. For young races this is a bad thing in ways, for old races it is a good thing as they control their own minds to enhance their experience etc(but still use their soul)...

Anyway that is what I can come up with right now. I may add more later if I think of something as I feel I am missing a lot of good points I should know... Again if anyone has links to the whistleblower that said he heard the new age being talked about before it happened and it was a plan to manipulate it plz post them. :)

My two cents here Omni,

1. Channeled material: Is real but when you open up a line to the spirit world you don't know who is on there other side. Could be malevolent, could be benevolent. Most of it is BS IMO but it does exist.

2. Ascension: Not going to happen, the only way to ascend is to "pass your exams" here on Earth and eliminate hate, envy, greed, amongst other impurities. Every decision you make will dictate what your next journey will be after this life. The more you are in tune with love and positivity the more gifts you will receive in this life and the next.

3. Religions: I've always thought Religion can be used to help/hurt others. Some people will use it as a tool to better themselves and some people will use it as a means of control and money. I went to a catholic school(not by choice) for 12 years..I didn't care for religion I always had my own set of beliefs that expressed me, I never liked the idea of following someone else's perspective on life.

4. Saviorship: No such being will come down and save this planet from its hell. The only saviors are us, we have to save ourselves from the hate...and it happens on an individual scale done by the person and that person only. Many can show you the way but in the end it must be the individual to make the change for the better.

5. Optimism: Optimism definitely works, everything really is mind of matter. If you occupy your mind with positive things you will get positive, same with negative.

6. Immunity to outside influence: It can be true for some but for the majority of this planet the population is deep asleep and the real beings in control of this whole play want it to remain that way. Those who have love in their hearts have a better grasp of the truth and enjoy life more than those who are always hateful, jealous, envious, vengeful, etc.

[Omni]

what do you think about Gaia theory as a selfaware being which we all are parts of?
and if so, has it been hijacked from outer space?
Currently it is my belief that Gaia is not a conscious being. But I could be wrong.. I believe mother earth speaks to us but is not a sentient being.



I have a question to you, Omni...what does Artificial Intelligence mean? (I know it might seem like a silly question to some, lol, but seriously I want to know what the sort of context is here...mind control to me is not newly in my awareness, by AI is not something that I have come across like you have talked about it in some ways, or not in those words (AI) before...)...

Artificial intelligence is computer based intelligence that runs a lot of the systems that are taking place on earth. Artificial intelligence is partly about decision making from a computer.. Mind Control is always assisted by an artificial intelligence. All extraterrestrials that are interstellar have AI that helps them in various ways. They each have their own personal AI assistant from what I understand.


5. Optimism: Optimism definitely works, everything really is mind of matter. If you occupy your mind with positive things you will get positive, same with negative.

I acknowledged such. But being overly optimistic it serves to blind, especially when one will not look into dark information about the power systems on earth.

[Natalia]

what do you think about Gaia theory as a selfaware being which we all are parts of?
and if so, has it been hijacked from outer space?
Currently it is my belief that Gaia is not a conscious being. But I could be wrong.. I believe mother earth speaks to us but is not a sentient being.

I see/feel Gaia, Earth, as alive, feeling, and sort of conscious in a way, not like humans...(mostly)...I could be wrong, too, just my sense on it...


Artificial intelligence is computer based intelligence that runs a lot of the systems that are taking place on earth. Artificial intelligence is partly about decision making from a computer.. Mind Control is always assisted by an artificial intelligence. All extraterrestrials that are interstellar have AI that helps them in various ways. They each have their own personal AI assistant from what I understand.

Thank you for answering my question. I know so very very very little about it and didn't know exactly what you meant. I am curious as to if the AI is programmed in a certain way...by malevolent beings or beings with "bad" intentions...?...(could they ever be benevolent beings or beings with "good" intentions"?...I do mean according to how I see good and bad cause people can see it differently...)...so could that kind of mean that the Artificial Intelligence is also "real intelligence"?...like, it could be both at the same time? I do believe in AI...that it exists...or are you only talking about "run away AI?" (like in Terminator? lol), and most of what you say about new age and darker stuff being behind (some of it)...that I have felt too, but did not see it as or call it AI...

...like for example, there are certain channels that I don't trust, and it's not even the messages (cause sometimes they seem good and wise), but, just this something about them that I have felt is just not to be trusted and is deceptive and with an agenda that is not good for us..., and even some people who are believers and/or followers of these channelers, would be naive to it...even maybe some of those channelers are themselves (like, a good example could be George Kavassilas and when he was speaking of his own experience of being deceived, I do trust him as a person, my sense of him...)...well I know all of us have had things trying to deceive us, through us...and we can be unaware of them (at least at the time)...I don't know exactly what is behind it (because I am not that psychic/clairvoyant, but more feeling, though have had intense times of seeing things...)...

I don't really like to talk about this stuff online...but felt compelled to a little, now...

I especially don't like to talk about certain other things in public online...

[Omni]

Thank you for answering my question. I know so very very very little about it and didn't know exactly what you meant. I am curious as to if the AI is programmed in a certain way...by malevolent beings or beings with "bad" intentions...?...(could they ever be benevolent beings or beings with "good" intentions"?
Every ET race that can get to earth has pretty advanced AI. So both the 'good' and 'bad' have it. When I was younger my guides would give me intuition about like 'cops are on their way' when I was at parties etc. Was nice. I didn't know it was an external influence at the time.. But it was. Things like that can be done by AI for people and little influences to help them etc. Or malicious mind control etc. It is a double edged sword.


..I do mean according to how I see good and bad cause people can see it differently...so could that kind of mean that the Artificial Intelligence is also "real intelligence"?...like, it could be both at the same time?

I do believe in AI...that it exists...or are you only talking about "run away AI?" (like in Terminator? lol)

There are no rogue AI's like terminator that I'm aware of. lol :)

[Natalia]

Every ET race that can get to earth has pretty advanced AI. So both the 'good' and 'bad' have it. When I was younger my guides would give me intuition about like 'cops are on their way' when I was at parties etc. Was nice. I didn't know it was an external influence at the time.. But it was. Things like that can be done by AI for people and little influences to help them etc. Or malicious mind control etc. It is a double edged sword.

Ok (have nothing to say, lol, just listening).


There are no rogue AI's like terminator that I'm aware of. lol :)

hehe :) well I knew that my post seemed a bit naive in parts, lol, and I actually believe that they could exist! But maybe not be that powerful in that way by themselves...I don't know...

SkWeMvrNiOM

<3

[Omni]

Every ET race that can get to earth has pretty advanced AI. So both the 'good' and 'bad' have it. When I was younger my guides would give me intuition about like 'cops are on their way' when I was at parties etc. Was nice. I didn't know it was an external influence at the time.. But it was. Things like that can be done by AI for people and little influences to help them etc. Or malicious mind control etc. It is a double edged sword.

Ok (have nothing to say, lol, just listening).


There are no rogue AI's like terminator that I'm aware of. lol :)

hehe :) well I knew that my post seemed a bit naive in parts, lol, and I actually believe that they could exist! But maybe not be that powerful in that way by themselves...I don't know...

SkWeMvrNiOM

<3

I've been made aware of the idea of AIs from races that no longer exist. But no AI ever takes over the race that created it if what I'm told is true. I wondered about it too in the past. As it stands right now ETs oversee every planet with civilization on it in the galaxy. So if that planet were dumb enough to make an AI that took over it would be subdued very momentarily.

[Deega]

Hey thanks Omniverse, a few years back, I read Mark Passio, in the Exohuman Web Site, stating "The New Age Movement has been specifically designed to prevent people from realizing their true spiritual nature and potential", , I would appreciate your comments if you may!

Web Site link: http://www.exohuman.com/wordpress/2013/11/mark-passio-new-age-suppression-of-the-sacred-masculine/

The best to you!

I would like to hear your comments on this as well, Omniverse.

My take on this is that the New Age Movement, like any spiritual movement whether officially titled or not, has both the content to lead further away or further towards realizing a "true spiritual nature and potential". Perhaps it is akin to transportation, some are more helpful/ efficient at a particular point in the journey then others. I mean, if you had a choice, you would not want to use a yacht to cross a pond and likewise a row boat to cross an ocean.

At least that is my experience.

I have gained understanding in my journey from multiple angles. I am not so sure I would have gained the level of 'fullness' that I have from traveling from only one specific angel. It's like learning different things about life from different parents/ relatives as you grow up as a child.

Avalon is a valuable part of my journey as well in that same vein of thought.

Thanks Joeecho, I have been caught up in the New Age movement for many years, I felt in discovery mode, loved it, used it, and from this, I moved on to something else, all the most rewarding. Been years now that I don’t consider myself “New Ager” anymore!

I was really surprise by Mark Passio position!, I had difficulty reading what he had to say back then! And, I have also read the book “The Course of Miracle” was a CIA financial project. I have read this book a while back, loved it, couldn’t believed that a government agency would want us to be more “loving” such that our “criticism of the system” is less so! In retrospect, I think it was an intelligent move (CIA financing New Age or part of it) to get a control over people!, using the “back door” to subdue us!

In retrospect, being initiated to New Age was impressive, I was made aware that I had a guardian angel, (everybody know that today), the animateur of the Workshop had the group through a process to see, meet our guardian angel, whoua!, awesome!, couldn’t believed what I was going through. Then, I was also initiated to aura, to telepathy, to ready the energies of one person at a distance, how to stop blood flowing, past life, etc. I really loved that period of my life, would recommend to anyone.

Now, they say that New Agers were manipulated, I guess in some way, I was, but at least it help me move on to something different.

The best to you!

[Humble Janitor]

I left this place for a long time because I knew that I was being manipulated by some of the information. Ditto for another popular (albeit terrible) website that shall not be named.

I feel so much better as a result.

[bodosa]

thanks Omniverse for this thread. i wanted to know a little bit more about AI.
is AI omnipresent ?
As I understand it AI is present in almost all places near life in the universe at this point, if not all. Every detail about any society in the galaxy is being tracked by various extraterrestrial AIs. So in a way it is omnipresent. To me, the all seeing eye, is extraterrestrial AI that tracks literally everything.



through what medium AI contacts or manipulates a person? example through radio waves or some other contact mediums.

Telepathy is microwaves. It is known as microwave hearing. As for the control I'm not fully sure. I need to read my book from Dr. Robert Duncan. I believe he knows what technology is being used...

thanks Omniverse

[Maunagarjana]

No offense, but I don't agree with you Omniverse about the densities. From what I know about your contacts, I would guess you have only had dealings with third and fourth density ETs, and what you consider to be "very advanced benevolent lifeforms" are high fourth density at the most. When you meet beings that are no longer physical or who may assume thoughtform bodies and who require no technology beyond their own minds, then I will believe you've encountered something beyond that. Until then, I have to take your opinions of metaphysics with a hefty grain of salt.

[Omni]

No offense, but I don't agree with you Omniverse about the densities. From what I know about your contacts, I would guess you have only had dealings with third and fourth density ETs, and what you consider to be "very advanced benevolent lifeforms" are high fourth density at the most. When you meet beings that are no longer physical or who may assume thoughtform bodies and who require no technology beyond their own minds, then I will believe you've encountered something beyond that. Until then, I have to take your opinions of metaphysics with a hefty grain of salt.
Fair enough. I personally do not believe in beings without a body that have the ability to control the mind with their own minds. I think such is a calculated delusion. A falsity hidden behind to keep secret certain things.

Is there any scientific evidence of the densities?

[Maunagarjana]

No offense, but I don't agree with you Omniverse about the densities. From what I know about your contacts, I would guess you have only had dealings with third and fourth density ETs, and what you consider to be "very advanced benevolent lifeforms" are high fourth density at the most. When you meet beings that are no longer physical or who may assume thoughtform bodies and who require no technology beyond their own minds, then I will believe you've encountered something beyond that. Until then, I have to take your opinions of metaphysics with a hefty grain of salt.
Fair enough. I personally do not believe in beings without a body that have the ability to control the mind with their own minds. I think such is a calculated delusion. A falsity hidden behind to keep secret certain things.

Is there any scientific evidence of the densities?

I don't think we're even close to being able to scientifically prove the densities. The concept was introduced to me through the Ra material, and I'm sure they have ample scientific evidence for which they would not share with us for it would be interfering with our development. As they say, "We provide truth without proof." But it just makes sense to me.

They describe the different densities as being like notes in a scale, which they call the octave (7 notes, the 8th being the beginning of the next octave), and this corresponds with the 7 chakras and the colors of the visible spectrum (ie. the 7 colors of the rainbow) and the electromagnetic spectrum (see: http://www.photobiology.org/UserFiles/Image/EM-spectrum.jpg ) As they describe, each density could be divided into 7 sub-densities, and each of those divided into 7 sub-densities, and those divide in to 7 sub-densities, and so forth, ad infinitum.

[Omni]

No offense, but I don't agree with you Omniverse about the densities. From what I know about your contacts, I would guess you have only had dealings with third and fourth density ETs, and what you consider to be "very advanced benevolent lifeforms" are high fourth density at the most. When you meet beings that are no longer physical or who may assume thoughtform bodies and who require no technology beyond their own minds, then I will believe you've encountered something beyond that. Until then, I have to take your opinions of metaphysics with a hefty grain of salt.
Fair enough. I personally do not believe in beings without a body that have the ability to control the mind with their own minds. I think such is a calculated delusion. A falsity hidden behind to keep secret certain things.

Is there any scientific evidence of the densities?

I don't think we're even close to being able to scientifically prove the densities. The concept was introduced to me through the Ra material, and I'm sure they have ample scientific evidence for which they would not share with us for it would be interfering with our development. As they say, "We provide truth without proof." But it just makes sense to me. They describe the different densities as being like notes in a scale, which they call the octave, and this corresponds with the chakras and the colors of the visible spectrum (ie. the 7 colors of the rainbow) and the electromagnetic spectrum (see: http://www.photobiology.org/UserFiles/Image/EM-spectrum.jpg ) As they describe, each density could be divided into 7 sub-densities, and each of those divided into 7 sub-densities, and so forth.

But within all that it is undetectable to our instruments? Sounds sketchy to me. Thanks for sharing your views though. As I said I could be wrong. I'm open minded about the densities but have a soft beilief that they were made up along with much of the new age movements gospel.

[Maunagarjana]

But within all that it is undetectable to our instruments? Sounds sketchy to me. Thanks for sharing your views though. As I said I could be wrong. I'm open minded about the densities but have a soft beilief that they were made up along with much of the new age movements gospel.

That's fine, and I wouldn't try to change your mind. You are on your own journey. I would just say I think we've barely scratched the surface when it comes to physics. All of our finest equipment are but children's toys, imho.

[Omni]

But within all that it is undetectable to our instruments? Sounds sketchy to me. Thanks for sharing your views though. As I said I could be wrong. I'm open minded about the densities but have a soft beilief that they were made up along with much of the new age movements gospel.

That's fine, and I wouldn't try to change your mind. You are on your own journey. I would just say I think we've barely scratched the surface when it comes to physics. All of our finest equipment is but children's toys, imho.
I agree. The law of one is definitely one of the better channelings from what i've seen but my theory is it is manipulation mixed with truth. It was created according to wikipedia in the 80s and 90s. well within the timeframe of the US gov having the technology to channel. Maybe someday I'll review the law of one materials and see what I agree or disagree with...

[Maunagarjana]

But within all that it is undetectable to our instruments? Sounds sketchy to me. Thanks for sharing your views though. As I said I could be wrong. I'm open minded about the densities but have a soft beilief that they were made up along with much of the new age movements gospel.

That's fine, and I wouldn't try to change your mind. You are on your own journey. I would just say I think we've barely scratched the surface when it comes to physics. All of our finest equipment is but children's toys, imho.
I agree. The law of one is definitely one of the better channelings from what i've seen but my theory is it is manipulation mixed with truth. It was created according to wikipedia in the 80s and 90s. well within the timeframe of the US gov having the technology to channel. Maybe someday I'll review the law of one materials and see what I agree or disagree with...

All of the Law of One channeling sessions took place between 1981 and 1984 (see: http://www.lawofone.info/ ) and if there were any manipulations occurring in the communications, it would be from negative ETs that Ra called "The Orion Group" who they repeatedly warned were attempting to disrupt the contact.

[Omni]

But within all that it is undetectable to our instruments? Sounds sketchy to me. Thanks for sharing your views though. As I said I could be wrong. I'm open minded about the densities but have a soft beilief that they were made up along with much of the new age movements gospel.

That's fine, and I wouldn't try to change your mind. You are on your own journey. I would just say I think we've barely scratched the surface when it comes to physics. All of our finest equipment is but children's toys, imho.
I agree. The law of one is definitely one of the better channelings from what i've seen but my theory is it is manipulation mixed with truth. It was created according to wikipedia in the 80s and 90s. well within the timeframe of the US gov having the technology to channel. Maybe someday I'll review the law of one materials and see what I agree or disagree with...

All of the Law of One channeling sessions took place between 1981 and 1984 (see: http://www.lawofone.info/ ) and if there were any manipulations occurring in the communications, it would be from negative ETs that Ra called "The Orion Group" who they repeatedly warned were attempting to disrupt the contact.

As I understand it ETs dont just randomly sabotage each others work. They have to agree on sets of things before it happens. The law of one would fall under exopolitical agreements IMO if it truly was a work of ETs. The sheer fact it mentions God is a telltale sign to me it is corrupted in at least parts of it. But I know that is based on my own subjective view of such and experiences and those can be wrong/misinterpreted from time to time...

[Maunagarjana]

All of the Law of One channeling sessions took place between 1981 and 1984 (see: http://www.lawofone.info/ ) and if there were any manipulations occurring in the communications, it would be from negative ETs that Ra called "The Orion Group" who they repeatedly warned were attempting to disrupt the contact.

As I understand it ETs dont just randomly sabotage each others work. They have to agree on sets of things before it happens. The law of one would fall under exopolitical agreements IMO if it truly was a work of ETs. The sheer fact it mentions God is a telltale sign to me it is corrupted in at least parts of it. But I know that is based on my own subjective view of such and experiences and those can be wrong/misinterpreted from time to time...

I don't want to turn this thread into a discussion of the Law of One, so I'll just say this and shut up about it. Ra said the communication was agreed to by what they call "The Council of Saturn" which is a group of many races from many densities that oversees this solar system. Presumably, the "narrow band" telepathic contact and the attempt to disrupt it would both be considered "fair game".

[Omni]

All of the Law of One channeling sessions took place between 1981 and 1984 (see: http://www.lawofone.info/ ) and if there were any manipulations occurring in the communications, it would be from negative ETs that Ra called "The Orion Group" who they repeatedly warned were attempting to disrupt the contact.

As I understand it ETs dont just randomly sabotage each others work. They have to agree on sets of things before it happens. The law of one would fall under exopolitical agreements IMO if it truly was a work of ETs. The sheer fact it mentions God is a telltale sign to me it is corrupted in at least parts of it. But I know that is based on my own subjective view of such and experiences and those can be wrong/misinterpreted from time to time...

I don't want to turn this thread into a discussion of the Law of One, so I'll just say this and shut up about it. Ra said the communication was agreed to by what they call "The Council of Saturn" which is a group of many races from many densities that oversees this solar system. Presumably, the "narrow band" telepathic contact and the attempt to disrupt it would both be considered "fair game".
As I understand it ETs wouldn't be able to interfere with each others communications very effectively. Any language can be accompanied with details of information served to the perception/3rd eye. So at best they could stop communication but not impersonate such information without agreements made.

One more thing about Law of One plz before you stop? Does it ever mention the US government? If it was done by them I doubt they would draw much if any attention to the wrong doings, and blame it all on ETs. By the 80s the US government was full fledged evil force in the world with channeling technology and an agenda to war VS the truth.

[Maunagarjana]

All of the Law of One channeling sessions took place between 1981 and 1984 (see: http://www.lawofone.info/ ) and if there were any manipulations occurring in the communications, it would be from negative ETs that Ra called "The Orion Group" who they repeatedly warned were attempting to disrupt the contact.

As I understand it ETs dont just randomly sabotage each others work. They have to agree on sets of things before it happens. The law of one would fall under exopolitical agreements IMO if it truly was a work of ETs. The sheer fact it mentions God is a telltale sign to me it is corrupted in at least parts of it. But I know that is based on my own subjective view of such and experiences and those can be wrong/misinterpreted from time to time...

I don't want to turn this thread into a discussion of the Law of One, so I'll just say this and shut up about it. Ra said the communication was agreed to by what they call "The Council of Saturn" which is a group of many races from many densities that oversees this solar system. Presumably, the "narrow band" telepathic contact and the attempt to disrupt it would both be considered "fair game".
As I understand it ETs wouldn't be able to interfere with each others communications very effectively. Any language can be accompanied with details of information served to the perception/3rd eye. So at best they could stop communication but not impersonate such information without agreements made.

One more thing about Law of One plz before you stop? Does it ever mention the US government? If it was done by them I doubt they would draw much if any attention to the wrong doings, and blame it all on ETs. By the 80s the US government was full fledged evil force in the world with channeling technology and an agenda to war VS the truth.

Oh yes, Ra totally outed the black projects of the US Military, in Session 8 in particular http://www.lawofone.info/results.php?s=8. The questioner, Don Elkins, was very unsettled once Ra mentioned that many of the craft we see in our skies are made by the US Military and kept in underground bases in various locations. This was the first thing I read in it that made me take it seriously, because one of my closest friends had in 1997 been approached by black ops triangular craft when he hiked into an area in which he should not have been in Southern California, so I knew stuff like that existed. But Ra also mentions psychotronic weapons, particle beam weapons and weather modification technology all in 8.7 on that page.

[Maunagarjana]

As I understand it ETs dont just randomly sabotage each others work. They have to agree on sets of things before it happens. The law of one would fall under exopolitical agreements IMO if it truly was a work of ETs. The sheer fact it mentions God is a telltale sign to me it is corrupted in at least parts of it. But I know that is based on my own subjective view of such and experiences and those can be wrong/misinterpreted from time to time...

Also, I want to point out that Ra never uses the word "God", and I'm sure this is on purpose. The One Infinite Creator is not the same thing as the typical monotheist concept of a God, imho. You might equate the two, but if the Creator Ra speaks of is "the One that is All", including all beings such as you and I, that is not something most people who believe in God can accept. Most people insist on their being a separation between Creator and Creation. So for those people, God is something "other". Ra's take on it is much more akin the Vedantic concept of Brahman ("Atman is Brahman"). But you must also realize that Ra is sixth density, they are not finished with their return to the Source and have not yet realized ultimate reality, so even they have some things yet to iron out.

[Omni]

As I understand it ETs dont just randomly sabotage each others work. They have to agree on sets of things before it happens. The law of one would fall under exopolitical agreements IMO if it truly was a work of ETs. The sheer fact it mentions God is a telltale sign to me it is corrupted in at least parts of it. But I know that is based on my own subjective view of such and experiences and those can be wrong/misinterpreted from time to time...

Also, I want to point out that Ra never uses the word "God", and I'm sure this is on purpose. The One Infinite Creator is not the same thing as the typical monotheist concept of a God, imho. You might equate the two, but if the Creator Ra speaks of is "the One that is All", including all beings such as you and I, that is not something most people who believe in God can accept. Most people insist on their being a separation between Creator and Creation. So for those people, God is something "other". Ra's take on it is much more akin the Vedantic concept of Brahman ("Atman is Brahman"). But you must also realize that Ra is sixth density, they are not finished with their return to the Source and have not yet realized ultimate reality, so even they have some things yet to iron out.

So you would say Ra is atheistic in believing there is no conscious supreme being/creator? And we are all god? That was basically my first realized concept of a 'real' god as a kid.

As for return to source I'm not sure I understand what you mean. You mean the soul ceases to exist and goes back to the creator? I firmly do not believe such. I think the soul has a beginning but no end. The soul is immortal in my beliefs. I wouldn't want to cease existing as a soul...

[Maunagarjana]

So you would say Ra is atheistic in believing there is no conscious supreme being/creator? And we are all god? That was basically my first realized concept of a 'real' god as a kid.

No, not atheist. It would technically be more akin to Panentheism, I think (not to be confused with Pantheism). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panentheism


As for return to source I'm not sure I understand what you mean. You mean the soul ceases to exist and goes back to the creator? I firmly do not believe such. I think the soul has a beginning but no end. The soul is immortal in my beliefs. I wouldn't want to cease existing as a soul...

My understanding is that a "soul" or what Ra calls a "Mind-body-spirit complex" is a portion of an Oversoul, which includes all your past lives and probably the lives of your entire soul group (but I'm not sure about that last bit....the Oversouls of people in a a soul group may be part of a larger Oversoul). What you call your soul is but one projection of an Oversoul. So a soul is what I call a "persona". http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/persona?s=t But that is not to say that your soul will end, it just won't be the entirety of your identity over the long term, but more like (metaphorically speaking) one small facet is a massive gem. I'm not even going to get into the subject of Social memory complexes, but that is a part of the journey back to Source as well.

You should read Michael Newton's past life regression books, because he mapped a lot of these things out in his exhaustive investigation into past life and between life regression. It also helps to have read the Law of One books because there is presented in there detailed metaphysics describing all of these things. It's not just the usual channeling patter. It's a full system of metaphysical philosophy presented by a master teacher, who even Don Elkins, a physics professor with a PhD who was also a UFO and paranormal investigator, was at times struggling to understand.

According to Ra, all there is ultimately is the One Infinite Creator, and that is every living being on this level we are on (and all other levels as well), but at the highest level is pure infinite intelligence, love, power with no beginning or end. As they put it, all that exists is Identity. That is, the Identity of the Creator distorted into multitudinous forms. But this Identity is not an identity (with a small 'i').

This is what Ra says about what they are progressing towards (post-sixth density): "At the seventh level or dimension, we shall, if our humble efforts are sufficient, become one with all, thus having no memory, no identity, no past or future, but existing in the all."

[Omni]

"At the seventh level or dimension, we shall, if our humble efforts are sufficient, become one with all, thus having no memory, no identity, no past or future, but existing in the all."
This bit aligns, to me, to my theory that it is at least partially manipulation..

I would not want to lose my uniqueness. That sounds more like a soul being destroyed. More like ceasing to exist...

Seems to align with the idea that an ascendant being does not define things as good or evil. I'm personally of the stance that there are quite defined things that are good or evil. Although I share a similar belief in ways, in that I think labeling something with good or evil has it's sizable shortcomings. I however can identify yin yang in the world and I feel it's a devolution of thought to not define good and evil. I think it's somewhat important to choose/identify a side you are on.

[Maunagarjana]

"At the seventh level or dimension, we shall, if our humble efforts are sufficient, become one with all, thus having no memory, no identity, no past or future, but existing in the all."
This bit aligns, to me, to my theory that it is at least partially manipulation..

I would not want to lose my uniqueness. That sounds more like a soul being destroyed. More like ceasing to exist...

Seems to align with the idea that an ascendant being does not define things as good or evil. I'm personally of the stance that there are quite defined things that are good or evil. Although I share a similar belief in ways, in that I think labeling something with good or evil has it's sizable shortcomings. I however can identify yin yang in the world and I feel it's a devolution of thought to not define good and evil. I think it's somewhat important to choose/identify a side you are on.

I don't think you're getting the subtleties embedded in these ideas. Do not think that this is suggesting that the soul ceases to exist or is destroyed, for anything that has ever existed cannot unexist, it exists in foreverness. Your soul may be transcended, but it's not negated, it is included in the all. It is integral to the totality of the whole. Nothing is ever truly lost.

Also, Ra does not talk about Good or Evil, but Service to Others and Service to Self, which they admit do not ultimately exist. The polarities of STO and STS are an integral part of the cosmic plan, but are ultimately provisional. Even at the sixth density level polarity doesn't really come into play. As Ra states at the very outset of the contact: " In our vibration the polarities are harmonized, the complexities are simplified, and the paradoxes have their solution. We are one. That is our nature and our purpose."

[Omni]

I don't think you're getting the subtleties embedded in these ideas. Do not think that this is suggesting that the soul ceases to exist or is destroyed, for anything that has ever existed cannot unexist, it exists in foreverness. Your soul may be transcended, but it's not negated, it is included in the all. It is integral to the totality of the whole. Nothing is ever truly lost.
Some of that doesn't make sense to me. I'm sure I don't grasp every concept having to do with it so I've missed plenty I'm sure. What exactly does included in the all mean? What happens to your specific consciousness? Time ceasing to exist is a big red flag. No time being traversed by a being is ceasing to exist as far as I'm aware. Sounds like they are making an effort to be wordy and deep but it just doesn't ring true to me.

One thought I have regarding why do something like the law of one by the US gov is to create something accepted generally by new age communities, and if it is wrong and ETs ever say such to someone they are presumed of having 4th density friends. lol. I can see the strategy. Also my memory is hazy about what my contacts have actually told me about the densities. It's just my personal opinion they were likely made up...


Also, Ra does not talk about Good or Evil, but Service to Others and Service to Self, which they admit do not ultimately exist. The polarities of STO and STS are an integral part of the cosmic plan, but are ultimately provisional. Even at the sixth density level polarity doesn't really come into play. As Ra states at the very outset of the contact: " In our vibration the polarities are harmonized, the complexities are simplified, and the paradoxes have their solution. We are one. That is our nature and our purpose."

No label works perfectly as far as I'm aware. One could argue the reptile's slaves are service to others... So when you ask them "Are you STO or STS?" they could be being truthful when saying STO and they still have bad intent. I've resorted to 'the side that values love' or the side that largely doesn't or simply "Nefarious ETs" or "Benevolent ETs".

And as I understand it the more advanced races (likened to 6d races) have lots of polarity, and also deal with it a lot as their role means they have to watch over races like ours to make sure things do not go to badly and to maintain order. So naturally they have to deal with the nefarious races as they primarily like to operate on worlds like ours as far as I'm aware.

[Maunagarjana]

I don't think you're getting the subtleties embedded in these ideas. Do not think that this is suggesting that the soul ceases to exist or is destroyed, for anything that has ever existed cannot unexist, it exists in foreverness. Your soul may be transcended, but it's not negated, it is included in the all. It is integral to the totality of the whole. Nothing is ever truly lost.

Some of that doesn't make sense to me. I'm sure I don't grasp every concept having to do with it so I've missed plenty I'm sure.

It's not hard to be miss the nuances of this stuff. This is graduate level stuff. Not the sort of thing some black ops disinfo agent could concoct, imho.


What exactly does included in the all mean?

Seems self-explanatory to me. It's a constituent part that is necessary to the completeness of the whole.


What happens to your specific consciousness?

All I can tell you is my opinion, because my understanding is incomplete. Okay? First off, your specific consciousness that you identify with at present is not the totality of who you are. You may be attached to this fellow named "Omniverse", but you have a greater being. When your time as Omniverse runs its course, it will be subsumed into that greater being along with all your previous incarnations. The life you lived and all of your experiences will continue to be fodder for your learning process as you move forward.


Time ceasing to exist is a big red flag. No time being traversed by a being is ceasing to exist as far as I'm aware.

Outside of third density there is no time, at least not in the linear way we think of it.


Sounds like they are making an effort to be wordy and deep but it just doesn't ring true to me.

Those who prefer to speak with precision tend to be wordy.


One thought I have regarding why do something like the law of one by the US gov is to create something accepted generally by new age communities, and if it is wrong and ETs ever say such to someone they are presumed of having 4th density friends. lol. I can see the strategy. Also my memory is hazy about what my contacts have actually told me about the densities. It's just my personal opinion they were likely made up...

I think your contacts, were they to communicate with Ra, would be taught a thing or two, and they walk away having much to think about.


Also, Ra does not talk about Good or Evil, but Service to Others and Service to Self, which they admit do not ultimately exist. The polarities of STO and STS are an integral part of the cosmic plan, but are ultimately provisional. Even at the sixth density level polarity doesn't really come into play. As Ra states at the very outset of the contact: " In our vibration the polarities are harmonized, the complexities are simplified, and the paradoxes have their solution. We are one. That is our nature and our purpose."


No label works perfectly as far as I'm aware. One could argue the reptile's slaves are service to others... So when you ask them "Are you STO or STS?" they could be being truthful when saying STO and they still have bad intent. I've resorted to 'the side that values love' or the side that largely doesn't or simply "Nefarious ETs" or "Benevolent ETs".

Being a slave to another being is not the same as being STO. Being coerced to fulfill your orders because you don't want to be punished is not STO. Being mind controlled to be obedient is not STO. STO is Altrusim. STS is Exploitation. Those who are exploited, those who are dominated and controlled, if they can, will learn quickly the survival advantage of doing the same to those further down the totem pole. That's STS. A hierarchical chain of exploitation.

Ra also refers to STO as the radiative path (radiating love and light), whereas STS is termed the absorptive path. Ra says at one point, "Negativity [the negative polarity, STS], when pure, is a type of gravity well, shall we say, pulling all into it." You are familiar with the concept of energy vampires, right? Or the idea of parasitic non-corporeal entities?


And as I understand it the more advanced races (likened to 6d races) have lots of polarity, and also deal with it a lot as their role means they have to watch over races like ours to make sure things do not go to badly and to maintain order. So naturally they have to deal with the nefarious races as they primarily like to operate on worlds like ours as far as I'm aware.

I've already said that my estimation is that what you think of as highly advanced is probably high fourth density. Maybe some fifth.

Yeah, they do try to make sure things do not go badly. Sometimes their efforts backfire, as they have on this planet repeatedly. But they don't really have to deal with the nefarious races. That's beneath them. Even the strongest negative bad asses would not be able to mess with a sixth density social memory complex. Ra says that they are formless at this point.

The negative path usually ends by the end of the fifth density, and by then, the negatives have usually stopped seeking outside of themselves because they realize everything they need is within themselves. Ra explains all of this stuff. It's a lot to summarize. As you can probably tell, I've spent a lot of time and energy trying to understand this stuff. And I still don't get all of it.

[Sloppyjoe]

what do you think about Gaia theory as a selfaware being which we all are parts of?
and if so, has it been hijacked from outer space?
Currently it is my belief that Gaia is not a conscious being. But I could be wrong.. I believe mother earth speaks to us but is not a sentient being.



I have a question to you, Omni...what does Artificial Intelligence mean? (I know it might seem like a silly question to some, lol, but seriously I want to know what the sort of context is here...mind control to me is not newly in my awareness, by AI is not something that I have come across like you have talked about it in some ways, or not in those words (AI) before...)...

Artificial intelligence is computer based intelligence that runs a lot of the systems that are taking place on earth. Artificial intelligence is partly about decision making from a computer.. Mind Control is always assisted by an artificial intelligence. All extraterrestrials that are interstellar have AI that helps them in various ways. They each have their own personal AI assistant from what I understand.


5. Optimism: Optimism definitely works, everything really is mind of matter. If you occupy your mind with positive things you will get positive, same with negative.

I acknowledged such. But being overly optimistic it serves to blind, especially when one will not look into dark information about the power systems on earth.

Yes, overly optimistic can be just as bad as overly pessimistic. Both are tell-tale signs that ignorance is taking place. I have looked into all kinds of information and have accepted that there is both love and hate on this planet with a slight favor to hate. I understand that it's not my place to change the world so I go through my life just shaping how I want my own life to be and create that peace I strive for within my own circles. It can't be done completely because we are on a prison planet but it sure is a lot better than living in fear and propaganda like a lot of the population on this planet does. The fruits of happiness are out there it's just up to us to go pick them.

[Omni]

It's not hard to be miss the nuances of this stuff. This is graduate level stuff. Not the sort of thing some black ops disinfo agent could concoct, imho.
Something wouldn't be really one agent doing such if it was US government. They would witness what extraterrestrials say etc and be able to come up with advanced disinfo because they can get offshoot ideas of such. Or it could be from reptiles who are masters at creating religions and disinfo..



What happens to your specific consciousness?

All I can tell you is my opinion, because my understanding is incomplete. Okay? First off, your specific consciousness that you identify with at present is not the totality of who you are. You may be attached to this fellow named "Omniverse", but you have a greater being. When your time as Omniverse runs its course, it will be subsumed into that greater being along with all your previous incarnations. The life you lived and all of your experiences will continue to be fodder for your learning process as you move forward.

I believe that our souls hold unique traits, and that we are not absorbed when we die. Some of it is genetics or learned things or ego but in general I know myself. I simply cannot see my soul no longer being an individual and unique being and become some 'all' aspect...



Time ceasing to exist is a big red flag. No time being traversed by a being is ceasing to exist as far as I'm aware.

Outside of third density there is no time, at least not in the linear way we think of it.
A complete logical fallacy IMO. Time is needed or everything would be happening at once. Time is an essential ingredient to the universe IMO.



One thought I have regarding why do something like the law of one by the US gov is to create something accepted generally by new age communities, and if it is wrong and ETs ever say such to someone they are presumed of having 4th density friends. lol. I can see the strategy. Also my memory is hazy about what my contacts have actually told me about the densities. It's just my personal opinion they were likely made up...

I think your contacts, were they to communicate with Ra, would be taught a thing or two, and they walk away having much to think about.
There are no secrets about where certain information comes from up there. It's not like races do not know other races of ETs. They have access to whoever gave the RA information surely if they wanted it.


Being a slave to another being is not the same as being STO. Being coerced to fulfill your orders because you don't want to be punished is not STO. Being mind controlled to be obedient is not STO. STO is Altrusim. STS is Exploitation. Those who are exploited, those who are dominated and controlled, if they can, will learn quickly the survival advantage of doing the same to those further down the hierarchy. That's STS. A hierarchical chain of exploitation.
The words themselves can be used manipulatively was my point. And they have been. Service to others can be used in a way that is deceptive and truthful.


Yeah, they do try to make sure things do not go badly. Sometimes their efforts backfire, as they have on this planet repeatedly. But they don't really have to deal with the nefarious races. That's beneath them. Even the strongest negative bad asses would not be able to mess with a sixth density social memory complex. The negative path usually ends by the end of the fifth density, and by then, the negatives have usually stopped seeking outside of themselves because they realize everything they need is within themselves. Ra explains all of this stuff. It's a lot to summarize.
I believe what you have said here is incorrect. I do not believe the Ra content gives an accurate picture of the universe. An accurate picture of the universe is one of the most elusive things on this planet IMHO.

[Maunagarjana]

It's not hard to be miss the nuances of this stuff. This is graduate level stuff. Not the sort of thing some black ops disinfo agent could concoct, imho.
Something wouldn't be really one agent doing such if it was US government. They would witness what extraterrestrials say etc and be able to come up with advanced disinfo because they can get offshoot ideas of such. Or it could be from reptiles who are masters at creating religions and disinfo..

True, negative ETs could come up with something cobbled together from various philosophies they've encountered (that they don't believe in). But I do not see the utility of disseminating teachings that completely undermines everything they are trying to do on this planet.




What happens to your specific consciousness?

All I can tell you is my opinion, because my understanding is incomplete. Okay? First off, your specific consciousness that you identify with at present is not the totality of who you are. You may be attached to this fellow named "Omniverse", but you have a greater being. When your time as Omniverse runs its course, it will be subsumed into that greater being along with all your previous incarnations. The life you lived and all of your experiences will continue to be fodder for your learning process as you move forward.

I believe that our souls hold unique traits, and that we are not absorbed when we die. Some of it is genetics or learned things or ego but in general I know myself. I simply cannot see my soul no longer being an individual and unique being and become some 'all' aspect...

It's not a matter of either/or. Meaning, it's not a matter of "it retains its individuality" or "its absorbed into something greater and loses individuality". It's both/and. You must acquaint yourself well with paradox in order to understand these thorny issues. By paradox, I mean "seeming contradiction".




Time ceasing to exist is a big red flag. No time being traversed by a being is ceasing to exist as far as I'm aware.

Outside of third density there is no time, at least not in the linear way we think of it.
A complete logical fallacy IMO. Time is needed or everything would be happening at once. Time is an essential ingredient to the universe IMO.

Oh, really? How third density of you. ;)




One thought I have regarding why do something like the law of one by the US gov is to create something accepted generally by new age communities, and if it is wrong and ETs ever say such to someone they are presumed of having 4th density friends. lol. I can see the strategy. Also my memory is hazy about what my contacts have actually told me about the densities. It's just my personal opinion they were likely made up...

I think your contacts, were they to communicate with Ra, would be taught a thing or two, and they walk away having much to think about.

There are no secrets about where certain information comes from up there. It's not like races do not know other races of ETs. They have access to whoever gave the RA information surely if they wanted it.

Really? Great....so if you ever meet them again, could you please try to ask them if they know who gave the Ra Material. I'd be interested to hear their answer. Hopefully, we can clear all this up.



Being a slave to another being is not the same as being STO. Being coerced to fulfill your orders because you don't want to be punished is not STO. Being mind controlled to be obedient is not STO. STO is Altrusim. STS is Exploitation. Those who are exploited, those who are dominated and controlled, if they can, will learn quickly the survival advantage of doing the same to those further down the hierarchy. That's STS. A hierarchical chain of exploitation.

The words themselves can be used manipulatively was my point. And they have been. Service to others can be used in a way that is deceptive and truthful.

I see your point. But that's getting awfully semantic. As I pointed out, that is just one description of what they are trying to explain. The word 'service' isn't important. The intent behind ones actions is what is important.



Yeah, they do try to make sure things do not go badly. Sometimes their efforts backfire, as they have on this planet repeatedly. But they don't really have to deal with the nefarious races. That's beneath them. Even the strongest negative bad asses would not be able to mess with a sixth density social memory complex. The negative path usually ends by the end of the fifth density, and by then, the negatives have usually stopped seeking outside of themselves because they realize everything they need is within themselves. Ra explains all of this stuff. It's a lot to summarize.

I believe what you have said here is incorrect. I do not believe the Ra content gives an accurate picture of the universe. An accurate picture of the universe is one of the most elusive things on this planet IMHO.

Well, yeah. As Ra states, "Understanding is not of this density." I know, you said you don't believe in densities, but there it is.

In so many cases, as I've been explaining, Ra is actually agreeing with many of the points that you are making. There are of course, some discrepancies. So be it. It's hard for me to have this conversation with someone who is trying to discredit a body of teachings they've never read. Obviously, you have your point of view, and you are welcome to it. I've enjoyed trying to explain some things, but I don't feel it's fruitful to really continue to drag this thing out any further at this point. Take care, Omni. <3

[Centauri]

Well, I appreciate the thread. At the risk of derailing, I'm going to throw these questions out there. Private message me if you feel that the answers and the questions themselves are too off-topic. This is not an attack on you at all, just bear with me.

Why do you hold individuality and uniqueness to be so important?
One might say programmed vanity.

Why do you think your experiences are lost when you join back up with source if the purpose of incarnating is to learn?
According to the Ra concepts (hypothetical really), you will remember all that you did as Omniverse throughout time on earth AND you will remember all of what I learned and everyone else. Essentially realizing that there was nothing really making you individual from me and everyone else INCLUDING E.Ts and their incarnation experiences.

Why do you think that memories are even stored in your brain at all and not stored in a sort-of cloud source consciousness that your brain is really just a reciever for?

The answers to these three questions might hold you back when endeavoring to understand the Ra Materials. If you let these things go for the moment to consider the information without these filters, I think you will be happy with the results. You can put the filters back into place when you're all done reading anything, not just the Ra Materials. This is not gullibility, let's just call it a willing suspension of disbelief for the sake of trying to glean what whatever concepts any writer is trying to put forth in whatever material you read.

[Natalia]

"At the seventh level or dimension, we shall, if our humble efforts are sufficient, become one with all, thus having no memory, no identity, no past or future, but existing in the all."

Seems to align with the idea that an ascendant being does not define things as good or evil. I'm personally of the stance that there are quite defined things that are good or evil. Although I share a similar belief in ways, in that I think labeling something with good or evil has it's sizable shortcomings. I however can identify yin yang in the world and I feel it's a devolution of thought to not define good and evil. I think it's somewhat important to choose/identify a side you are on.

I too see that there is good and evil, for example, severe cruelty to animals for pleasure is an evil action and intention, while the human doing it is a mix of good and bad, positive and negative...it can be the essence, the energy, the negative entities, that moves though people (sometimes people attract it and so it's at least partly their responsibility)...and people can change...though that is less likely for some than others in this life...

So yes, me too, and there have been discussions about good and bad and right and wrong and evil, for years on forums, and I have never (truly) seen that there is no good and bad....sure, people can misunderstand things and people and what's behind things, and may see only bad where there is also good or mostly good...or label people in negative ways that make them seem overall worse than what they are...in the whole mix of who we are...so, I do see that there can be miss uses of good and bad, right and wrong...etc...

I know the side that I am on, but it is with less naivety than it used to be (within me)...

[Natalia]

But within all that it is undetectable to our instruments? Sounds sketchy to me. Thanks for sharing your views though. As I said I could be wrong. I'm open minded about the densities but have a soft beilief that they were made up along with much of the new age movements gospel.

That's fine, and I wouldn't try to change your mind. You are on your own journey. I would just say I think we've barely scratched the surface when it comes to physics. All of our finest equipment is but children's toys, imho.
I agree. The law of one is definitely one of the better channelings from what i've seen but my theory is it is manipulation mixed with truth. It was created according to wikipedia in the 80s and 90s. well within the timeframe of the US gov having the technology to channel. Maybe someday I'll review the law of one materials and see what I agree or disagree with...

I have read up (and watched and listened) on some of the law of one material...to me, there is some deep truth in it, but it's not "the truth", to me...just part of it...and in the changelings, sure, there might not be 100 % purity in them!

Scott Mandelker is one of the spiritual teachers who I have been drawn to, the most...it's not just his teachings/leanings, but also, him himself :) (on a soul level, I feel something...)...I believe in him that he is for real, a good guy (mostly! hehe, I love how in some of his talks he shares some of his imperfections, and darker aspects, he seems and feels like a very honest man to me, and I trust him as a person, but I do not agree with all of his views! or other things he shares not from him at all...).

Here is one of his talks

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[Omni]

True, negative ETs could come up with something cobbled together from various philosophies they've encountered (that they don't believe in). But I do not see the utility of disseminating teachings that completely undermines everything they are trying to do on this planet.
The idea would be to control all facets of ET information. This is a goal of the US government. To create the beliefs of densities it does a lot. For example if it is untrue, and an ET ever contacts a person and that person asks them which density are you, they are presented with a problem. They can't exactly go around breaking paradigms. From what I have observed they have to tread lightly very frequently. So they either have to give that person a metaphor of how the universe is actually set up, broken down into various densities. Or they have to break the programming and give that person a different view. Breaking programming TPTB have gone to lengths to set up is something that ETs can barely ever do from what I have witnessed.

Also through the law of one material all sorts of new age beliefs stem from. It's an influential set of documents. I often have wondered to myself where the advanced channeling stuff is(whether ET or US gov advanced). I know the US government can do better than the galactic federation of light.. I guess I may have found it with law of one materials. But it is also quite possible it was a collaboration between ETs. From what I have gathered from exopolitics when one side gets to do something, the other side gets to as well. So to me Ra material (after short review of it, nothing to intense) is either:

US gov to control all facets of ET information, with certain Et ideas infused with a fabricated picture of the universe
or
Both polarities of ETs doing little bits of work they would like to get into at least the awareness of some.

I'm sure the negative ETs have gotten increasingly skilled at manipulating 'new age' movements on different worlds...


Well, I appreciate the thread. At the risk of derailing, I'm going to throw these questions out there. Private message me if you feel that the answers and the questions themselves are too off-topic. This is not an attack on you at all, just bear with me.

Why do you hold individuality and uniqueness to be so important?
One might say programmed vanity.
Because I like who I am, and like being myself.


Why do you think your experiences are lost when you join back up with source if the purpose of incarnating is to learn?
The purpose of incarnating is not only to learn though. And if time ceases to exist and you become 'all' it seems you lose yourself in all that. Maybe I'm wrong though..


According to the Ra concepts (hypothetical really), you will remember all that you did as Omniverse throughout time on earth AND you will remember all of what I learned and everyone else. Essentially realizing that there was nothing really making you individual from me and everyone else INCLUDING E.Ts and their incarnation experiences.
Eventually through incarnating maybe a million years, one learns everything. I do not need to learn through other people's soul lessons.



Why do you think that memories are even stored in your brain at all and not stored in a sort-of cloud source consciousness that your brain is really just a reciever for?
Just the way things are set up. Memories are also stored in hard drives as well.


The answers to these three questions might hold you back when endeavoring to understand the Ra Materials. If you let these things go for the moment to consider the information without these filters, I think you will be happy with the results. You can put the filters back into place when you're all done reading anything, not just the Ra Materials. This is not gullibility, let's just call it a willing suspension of disbelief for the sake of trying to glean what whatever concepts any writer is trying to put forth in whatever material you read.
I will read through the Ra material more in depth at some point.

[Natalia]

What do you guys think of this? (to me, it's another part of the whole truth...just as is some of Eckhart Tolle's teachings...)...

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[Omni]

What do you guys think of this? (to me, it's another part of the whole truth...just as is some of Eckhart Tolle's teachings...)...


I agree with what she's saying. I have encountered people who tell me I attracted my suffering at the hands of the US government and if i "stop being a victim" it will stop. I haven't heard much more preposterous than that. I can't get away from suffering via technology. It is just a state of my life that I have come to accept. Now when I'm tortured often I'm just waiting for it to end... It doesn't effect my emotional state much. There is such a thing as a victim who has a healthy state of mind about such, whilst still being a victim, and suffering is not only an avoidable state of mind but also somewhat of a natural law under certain circumstances..

[Agape]

What do you guys think of this? (to me, it's another part of the whole truth...just as is some of Eckhart Tolle's teachings...)...



You have to remember one thing .. the teachers of old, real sages .. warned about giving the 'high level teachings' on wisdom and true nature of mind to the unprepared . What they said was , if guru teaches wisdom to unripe disciple they both will end up in hell .
That time , these teachings were considered 'sacred' if not secret and passed on to generation of students who were already tested and it was made sure these people learned compassion, practically and knew what pain is .. that they could bear the suffering on other behalf .. before they ever ready to teach about 'equality' and dispassion and similar .

Nowadays .. the teachings had been made available to multitudes, and they're often taught en mass . Very few people receive personal guidance .

The meaning has proliferated from sacred to mundane . And on the mundane everyday level , they're not always right to use . Not a panacea for all diseases .


:angel:

[Deega]

Hey thanks Omniverse, a few years back, I read Mark Passio, in the Exohuman Web Site, stating "The New Age Movement has been specifically designed to prevent people from realizing their true spiritual nature and potential", , I would appreciate your comments if you may!

Web Site link: http://www.exohuman.com/wordpress/2013/11/mark-passio-new-age-suppression-of-the-sacred-masculine/

The best to you!
One of the bigger goals I've witnessed in the agenda is to slow down spiritual development as much as possible. They even go as far as to stop many musicians from making better music... It's a wide ranging and very dark conspiracy... So that makes sense to me that it would be designed to hinder spiritual development. Although I'm not quite sure fully how... Religion I believe has served to hold humanity back from advancing spiritually. You can find many of the same correlations in the new age archtype to old religions..

I found Mark Passio's enormously long youtube video after posting this thread to the icke forum. Im at about 2 hours in. Only thing I really disagree with him about is there being a God.. He brings up some good points. Here is the video I'm currently watching:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q51l_E8Tlp0

Thanks Omniverse, kind a late to respond, but, as you did, I started listening to Mark presentation, I listen way up to 64 minutes, from what I have read, he seems fully knowledgeable, had plenty of information, very interesting! I will try to continue listening. No controversial arguments I can shared on what I have listened!

The best to you!

[Natalia]

What do you guys think of this? (to me, it's another part of the whole truth...just as is some of Eckhart Tolle's teachings...)...


I agree with what she's saying. I have encountered people who tell me I attracted my suffering at the hands of the US government and if i "stop being a victim" it will stop. I haven't heard much more preposterous than that. I can't get away from suffering via technology. It is just a state of my life that I have come to accept. Now when I'm tortured often I'm just waiting for it to end... It doesn't effect my emotional state much. There is such a thing as a victim who has a healthy state of mind about such, whilst still being a victim, and suffering is not only an avoidable state of mind but also somewhat of a universal law under certain circumstances..

Yes I do agree with you that there is such a thing as "a victim", who does not "deserve it"...not that who they are is a victim, but people are sometimes victimized...to me, there is such as a thing as injustice...and I do not believe that thing of "you are exactly where you should be right now", or "everything is perfect as it is"...well, that is not true to my heart, or my gut feelings...

This reminds me of a quote from Jeff Brown:

"I am so tired of people saying “You are exactly where you are supposed to be”, no matter what someone’s life circumstances and challenges. Yes, there is no question that we can often learn something of value wherever we are on the path, and yes, we may have, in some situations, attracted the exact challenge that we need to grow, BUT that does not mean that we are ALWAYS where we are supposed to be. Telling that to someone in every situation- even when they are ill or suffering tremendously- is arrogant, and adds insult to injury. Sometimes we need a kick in the ass, and sometimes we are just a victim of terrible circumstances. Sometimes our suffering is needless and the result of other people’s wrongdoing. Compassion demands that we hold the space for other’s challenges with a wide open heart. Let THEM decide if they are exactly where they are supposed to be. It’s not for us to say." ~ Jeff Brown

[Centauri]

Thanksya Omni. I understand.

[Maunagarjana]

True, negative ETs could come up with something cobbled together from various philosophies they've encountered (that they don't believe in). But I do not see the utility of disseminating teachings that completely undermines everything they are trying to do on this planet.
The idea would be to control all facets of ET information. This is a goal of the US government. To create the beliefs of densities it does a lot. For example if it is untrue, and an ET ever contacts a person and that person asks them which density are you, they are presented with a problem. They can't exactly go around breaking paradigms. From what I have observed they have to tread lightly very frequently. So they either have to give that person a metaphor of how the universe is actually set up, broken down into various densities. Or they have to break the programming and give that person a different view. Breaking programming TPTB have gone to lengths to set up is something that ETs can barely ever do from what I have witnessed.

Also through the law of one material all sorts of new age beliefs stem from. It's an influential set of documents. I often have wondered to myself where the advanced channeling stuff is(whether ET or US gov advanced). I know the US government can do better than the galactic federation of light.. I guess I may have found it with law of one materials. But it is also quite possible it was a collaboration between ETs. From what I have gathered from exopolitics when one side gets to do something, the other side gets to as well. So to me Ra material (after short review of it, nothing to intense) is either:

US gov to control all facets of ET information, with certain Et ideas infused with a fabricated picture of the universe
or
Both polarities of ETs doing little bits of work they would like to get into at least the awareness of some.

I'm sure the negative ETs have gotten increasingly skilled at manipulating 'new age' movements on different worlds...

That's one way to look at it, I guess. But I think for me to accept that, I would need to ignore a large swath of Ra's teachings, that are completely in line with all of the highest and most profound spiritual teachings that have ever graced this planet, especially when it comes to the East. The Buddha, Lao Tzu, Aurobindo, and so many others would recognize Ra as a master teacher, and one of their own. But I think the Buddha would have some things to teach Ra, but that's just my opinion. And you might be surprised to find that the idea of densities corresponds quite well with the eastern cosmological teachings of the deva realms, including formless deva realms, brahma realms, the lokas, and various celestial abodes of cosmic buddhas and bodhisattvas. These are not new ideas.

The stuff about densities, polarity, historical trivia, and ET contact, even the harvest, are just window dressing to the real core of the teachings, which is detailed instructions for healing and balancing oneself mentally, physically and spiritually, how to clear energetic blockages, and generally how universal law operates in all its intricacies. These are not things that any negative being or group would want out there, nor would they even be able to come close to faking the many brilliant flashes of insight sprinkled liberally throughout the Ra books. As someone who has actually read them, I find what you're saying completely implausible.

So, I think you're off your rocker on this, Omni. Maybe you just don't enjoy feeling like your experiences and knowledge are somehow being diminished. But you do realize there are many other contactees who have no problem with the densities schema. There may be ETs out there who don't like it or don't use it, but maybe that's because they don't understand it. To give an analogy, I'm not really interested in what third density ETs think of the idea of densities, just as I'm not really interested to know what a third grader thinks of trigonometry. But we're all in a learning process here. And we all only have pieces of the puzzle. This I believe firmly, and I hope you can at least agree to that.

[Maunagarjana]

But within all that it is undetectable to our instruments? Sounds sketchy to me. Thanks for sharing your views though. As I said I could be wrong. I'm open minded about the densities but have a soft beilief that they were made up along with much of the new age movements gospel.

That's fine, and I wouldn't try to change your mind. You are on your own journey. I would just say I think we've barely scratched the surface when it comes to physics. All of our finest equipment is but children's toys, imho.
I agree. The law of one is definitely one of the better channelings from what i've seen but my theory is it is manipulation mixed with truth. It was created according to wikipedia in the 80s and 90s. well within the timeframe of the US gov having the technology to channel. Maybe someday I'll review the law of one materials and see what I agree or disagree with...

I have read up (and watched and listened) on some of the law of one material...to me, there is some deep truth in it, but it's not "the truth", to me...just part of it...and in the changelings, sure, there might not be 100 % purity in them!

Scott Mandelker is one of the spiritual teachers who I have been drawn to, the most...it's not just his teachings/leanings, but also, him himself :) (on a soul level, I feel something...)...I believe in him that he is for real, a good guy (mostly! hehe, I love how in some of his talks he shares some of his imperfections, and darker aspects, he seems and feels like a very honest man to me, and I trust him as a person, but I do not agree with all of his views! or other things he shares not from him at all...).

Here is one of his talks

OBv2u-m5d2Y

Amethyst, I'm glad you mentioned Scott Mandelker, who is what I would consider a scholar of the Ra material. I enjoy his lectures he gives on his youtube channel. He has a lot of important and interesting things to say. For those interested, I would highly recommend.
https://www.youtube.com/user/TWSMandelker/videos

[Omni]

And you might be surprised to find that the idea of densities corresponds quite well with the eastern cosmological teachings of the deva realms, including formless deva realms, brahma realms, the lokas, and various celestial abodes of cosmic buddhas and bodhisattvas. These are not new ideas.
I'm not very aware of Hindu beliefs. It is something I've been wanting to study but haven't found the time to yet. The ideas of densities just seems impractical to me. So does some force sweep through the galaxy and up densities of planets? How is ours still 3rd density, yet if we came about in the dinosaur times, we would still be stuck in 3rd density after all those years? What exactly makes a solar system go further up in density? Seems to me solar systems are all on varying degrees of development. So some galactic center force or something similar doesn't seem to be the answer to how. Or we'd see caveman planets going into 5th density and planets after many millions of years of civilizations going to 4th just barely... I also find it hard to believe they would dictate so much yet have zero scientific evidence for such...


The stuff about densities, polarity, historical trivia, and ET contact, even the harvest, are just window dressing to the real core of the teachings, which is detailed instructions for healing and balancing oneself mentally, physically and spiritually, how to clear energetic blockages, and generally how universal law operates in all its intricacies. These are not things that any negative being or group would want out there, nor would they even be able to come close to faking the many brilliant flashes of insight sprinkled liberally throughout the Ra books. As someone who has actually read them, I find what you're saying completely implausible.
Implausible that two polarities of ETs worked on such, so some of it could be wrong some of it being helpful?


So, I think you're off your rocker on this, Omni. Maybe you just don't enjoy feeling like your experiences and knowledge are somehow being diminished.
I didn't exactly enjoy you judging my contact case as 4d. But I can debate such. I know myself I'm not dealing with infantile races here...


But you do realize there are many other contactees who have no problem with the densities schema.
And how exactly do good ETs work out these people not being attacked/sabotaged? Also I have no doubt that if the US gov perpetrated such, they would be mind controlling contactees to follow such.


There may be ETs out there who don't like it or don't use it, but maybe that's because they don't understand it.
The ETs I work with know everything there is to know about science(some of them). Densities if they existed would certainly be known.


But we're all in a learning process here. And we all only have pieces of the puzzle. This I believe firmly, and I hope you can at least agree to that.

I do.

[Agape]

I'm not very aware of Hindu beliefs. It is something I've been wanting to study but haven't found the time to yet. The ideas of densities just seems impractical to me. So does some force sweep through the galaxy and up densities of planets? How is ours still 3rd density, yet if we came about in the dinosaur times, we would still be stuck in 3rd density after all those years? What exactly makes a solar system go further up in density? Seems to me solar systems are all on varying degrees of development. So some galactic center force or something similar doesn't seem to be the answer to how. Or we'd see caveman planets going into 5th density and planets after many millions of years of civilizations going to 4th just barely...


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It has all to do with physical evolution of the Universe . If you look to old scriptures of various traditions, whether it's Vedas or the Cabalistic scriptures or Mayan cosmology or old Chinese I-Ching ideas on the creation - formation of Universe ,
you will see they describe 'layers' , realms , levels of frequency fields - not dissimilar to todays concept of quantum fields and string theory ,
in which the 'primordial ocean' of universe polarised itself , in those distinct layers also different forms of Life evolved .

There's no mention of 'Big Bang' , personally and from the memory of our own heritage we did not consider this would be plausible concept , except for 'local universes' .

The Universe expands and collapses within itself , it 'breathes' almost eternally , like a bubble among millions of other bubbles floating in much larger space .

Even if they are somewhat similar , each 'bubble of Universe' has different physical properties , there are varieties so to say .

Most of the ancient cosmological concepts recorded in various times are respondent to the religious idea and tradition they belonged and above, most are also very 'geocentric ' . They place the human density realm to the middle of everything . Naturally for the way people think to this day , I think.

In reality .. this kind of 'density' is but one of many varieties and options of time-space . It evolves depending on the Solar mass , the mass and distance of the planet , gravity particular to both , even the way they're subjected to gravity pull from others Stars and Planets ,
the frequency of light .. again, depends on the quantum of nuclear processes happening in this or that Star , and in that particular frequency of light certain 'chemical processes' are catalysed in specific way , certain bonds between elements , isotopes forming specific structure of elements allowing this sort of 'density' to occur .

Biological intelligence is something else .. we believe .. it's an information . Not only information, it's an intelligent pattern that projects to various physical fields differently and shapes them accordingly . In result , the particular form ( forms ) of life you see here are projection of the intelligence to physical environment .
If you take them 'out of this realm' , plant them on another planet, they will evolve differently .

There are many legends , truly legends .. on how physical ascension is possible on planet Earth .. to reach to higher density level .
It's only possible in two ways ... on individual level , using either natural or technical 'wormholes' , space-lifts where bigger force is utilised to lift the density that 'fell' to this structure to another one .

On global , planetary level this would be extremely hard to do in real time .. but , it is destined to happen due to the gravity pull from other stars and galaxies .
I was told personally that once the 'pull' from approaching Andromeda galaxy is strong enough to produce more effect on this Sun, especially since there's a Star with similar 'resonance' and field in the Andromeda that may produce this 'twin star effect' ,
the gravity force on planets in this solar system will be slightly lifted and physical ( and also spiritual ) evolution will be easy , painless and possible .
And that mankind will experience 'golden age' , if they happen to survive till then .

Without changes in the quantum field such a global 'leap' is not possible . Even though I strongly suspect people ( and the intelligence behind them, to be more precise ) who developed nuclear energy were hoping to 'break through' to higher density .
We all know the story.


:angel:

[Natalia]

But within all that it is undetectable to our instruments? Sounds sketchy to me. Thanks for sharing your views though. As I said I could be wrong. I'm open minded about the densities but have a soft beilief that they were made up along with much of the new age movements gospel.

That's fine, and I wouldn't try to change your mind. You are on your own journey. I would just say I think we've barely scratched the surface when it comes to physics. All of our finest equipment is but children's toys, imho.
I agree. The law of one is definitely one of the better channelings from what i've seen but my theory is it is manipulation mixed with truth. It was created according to wikipedia in the 80s and 90s. well within the timeframe of the US gov having the technology to channel. Maybe someday I'll review the law of one materials and see what I agree or disagree with...

I have read up (and watched and listened) on some of the law of one material...to me, there is some deep truth in it, but it's not "the truth", to me...just part of it...and in the changelings, sure, there might not be 100 % purity in them!

Scott Mandelker is one of the spiritual teachers who I have been drawn to, the most...it's not just his teachings/leanings, but also, him himself :) (on a soul level, I feel something...)...I believe in him that he is for real, a good guy (mostly! hehe, I love how in some of his talks he shares some of his imperfections, and darker aspects, he seems and feels like a very honest man to me, and I trust him as a person, but I do not agree with all of his views! or other things he shares not from him at all...).

Here is one of his talks

OBv2u-m5d2Y

Amethyst, I'm glad you mentioned Scott Mandelker, who is what I would consider a scholar of the Ra material. I enjoy his lectures he gives on his youtube channel. He has a lot of important and interesting things to say. For those interested, I would highly recommend.
https://www.youtube.com/user/TWSMandelker/videos

Hi, yes, I have listened to a lot of his talks...I especially like the Wanderer stuff...
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[Natalia]

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[Maunagarjana]

Hey, Omni....I wanted to correct something I said. I think I might be mistaken in my statement about time not existing outside of third density. That was my assumption, but it seems that Ra indicates that time only ceases to exist at the point of completion, which they themselves have not yet reached. Here is a relevant quote:


16.22 There is past, present, and future in third density. In an overview such as an entity may have, removed from the space/time continuum, it may be seen that in the cycle of completion there exists only the present. We, ourselves, seek to learn this understanding. At the seventh level or dimension, we shall, if our humble efforts are sufficient, become one with all, thus having no memory, no identity, no past or future, but existing in the all.

However, I think the experience of time is very different beyond third density. If you factor in time travel, you can see how it may get to the point where the experience of linear time becomes very flexible. However, cause and effect still exist. Past, present and future still exist. Ra indicates that, ultimately, all things are occurring in what they call "true simultaneity".

[Omni]

Hey, Omni....I wanted to correct something I said. I think I might be mistaken in my statement about time not existing outside of third density. That was my assumption, but it seems that Ra indicates that time only ceases to exist at the point of completion, which they themselves have not yet reached. Here is a relevant quote:


16.22 There is past, present, and future in third density. In an overview such as an entity may have, removed from the space/time continuum, it may be seen that in the cycle of completion there exists only the present. We, ourselves, seek to learn this understanding. At the seventh level or dimension, we shall, if our humble efforts are sufficient, become one with all, thus having no memory, no identity, no past or future, but existing in the all.

However, I think the experience of time is very different beyond third density. If you factor in time travel, you can see how it may get to the point where the experience of linear time becomes very flexible. However, cause and effect still exist. Past, present and future still exist. Ra indicates that, ultimately, all things are occurring in what they call "true simultaneity".
It certainly made no sense to me that time no longer existed in any event. What I've been told about the top end of the universe and development is mostly soul mate/family stuff(Love stuff for our side of things) and still actually involves incarnating. Incarnating in the most complete/evolved set of genetics available for the top end.

I once believed in beings without a body flying around the universe... But I found that to be mind control..., my belief now being that there are no beings that can send electromagnetic pulses/waves/etc, and microwaves/teleportation(telepathy) with their own minds. They all use technology for it by what I've been told and have been exemplified. How would you moderate telepathy with a being doing it with their mind??? How would that being know it's okay to listen to another mind? How would the messages be wired to each various person via natural means? All big questions, and to me the sharpest answer is it is done via technology. Just like my opinion on demonic possession, that it is done via technology and always has been.

The idea of becoming one with all is not appealing to me... I like who I am better than what I see around me typically(not saying such about avalonians). i wouldn't want to be fused with the all and lose time and myself. I feel the source is where I came from not where I am going back to, to eventually not exist anymore.. That is basically like being god's soul or something maybe, being the 'all'? No thanks. I would rather be an individual, eventually with a soul mate, and a rich history of incarnating on this planet and others and a history of helping worlds become sovereign and progress in the way of the light.

I can see how people believe Ra material though. And I'm not saying I am definitively right. Seems I'm right but I've been wrong before of course with a thought... lol. Hard to get all of them right... Not bad to question established things from time to time. I did see that someone rated this thread one star though. lol... oh well :)

[Maunagarjana]

Hey, Omni....I wanted to correct something I said. I think I might be mistaken in my statement about time not existing outside of third density. That was my assumption, but it seems that Ra indicates that time only ceases to exist at the point of completion, which they themselves have not yet reached. Here is a relevant quote:


16.22 There is past, present, and future in third density. In an overview such as an entity may have, removed from the space/time continuum, it may be seen that in the cycle of completion there exists only the present. We, ourselves, seek to learn this understanding. At the seventh level or dimension, we shall, if our humble efforts are sufficient, become one with all, thus having no memory, no identity, no past or future, but existing in the all.

However, I think the experience of time is very different beyond third density. If you factor in time travel, you can see how it may get to the point where the experience of linear time becomes very flexible. However, cause and effect still exist. Past, present and future still exist. Ra indicates that, ultimately, all things are occurring in what they call "true simultaneity".
It certainly made no sense to me that time no longer existed in any event. What I've been told about the top end of the universe and development is mostly soul mate/family stuff(Love stuff for our side of things) and still actually involves incarnating. Incarnating in the most complete/evolved set of genetics available for the top end.

I once believed in beings without a body flying around the universe... But I found that to be mind control..., my belief now being that there are no beings that can send electromagnetic pulses/waves/etc, and microwaves/teleportation(telepathy) with their own minds. They all use technology for it by what I've been told and have been exemplified. How would you moderate telepathy with a being doing it with their mind??? How would that being know it's okay to listen to another mind? How would the messages be wired to each various person via natural means? All big questions, and to me the sharpest answer is it is done via technology. Just like my opinion on demonic possession, that it is done via technology and always has been.

The idea of becoming one with all is not appealing to me... I like who I am better than what I see around me typically(not saying such about avalonians). i wouldn't want to be fused with the all and lose time and myself. I feel the source is where I came from not where I am going back to, to eventually not exist anymore.. That is basically like being god's soul or something maybe, being the 'all'? No thanks. I would rather be an individual, eventually with a soul mate, and a rich history of incarnating on this planet and others and a history of helping worlds become sovereign and progress in the way of the light.

I can see how people believe Ra material though. And I'm not saying I am definitively right. Seems I'm right but I've been wrong before of course with a thought... lol. Hard to get all of them right... Not bad to question established things from time to time. I did see that someone rated this thread one star though. lol... oh well :)

In my way of thinking, if a race needs to use technology for telepathy, they are third density. Fourth density is *all* telepathic. No technology is necessary. There is no need for talking at all, unless it is desired for some reason. Think of it this way: it is another level of consciousness, as different from our form of consciousness as ours is from an animal like a dog or a cat. This materialistic, technological picture you are presenting is valid for third density. One thing that you might want to consider is that ETs on a particular level might not even believe higher levels exist until they get there themselves. That is why I think you may be getting a skewed view.

[Omni]

Hey, Omni....I wanted to correct something I said. I think I might be mistaken in my statement about time not existing outside of third density. That was my assumption, but it seems that Ra indicates that time only ceases to exist at the point of completion, which they themselves have not yet reached. Here is a relevant quote:


16.22 There is past, present, and future in third density. In an overview such as an entity may have, removed from the space/time continuum, it may be seen that in the cycle of completion there exists only the present. We, ourselves, seek to learn this understanding. At the seventh level or dimension, we shall, if our humble efforts are sufficient, become one with all, thus having no memory, no identity, no past or future, but existing in the all.

However, I think the experience of time is very different beyond third density. If you factor in time travel, you can see how it may get to the point where the experience of linear time becomes very flexible. However, cause and effect still exist. Past, present and future still exist. Ra indicates that, ultimately, all things are occurring in what they call "true simultaneity".
It certainly made no sense to me that time no longer existed in any event. What I've been told about the top end of the universe and development is mostly soul mate/family stuff(Love stuff for our side of things) and still actually involves incarnating. Incarnating in the most complete/evolved set of genetics available for the top end.

I once believed in beings without a body flying around the universe... But I found that to be mind control..., my belief now being that there are no beings that can send electromagnetic pulses/waves/etc, and microwaves/teleportation(telepathy) with their own minds. They all use technology for it by what I've been told and have been exemplified. How would you moderate telepathy with a being doing it with their mind??? How would that being know it's okay to listen to another mind? How would the messages be wired to each various person via natural means? All big questions, and to me the sharpest answer is it is done via technology. Just like my opinion on demonic possession, that it is done via technology and always has been.

The idea of becoming one with all is not appealing to me... I like who I am better than what I see around me typically(not saying such about avalonians). i wouldn't want to be fused with the all and lose time and myself. I feel the source is where I came from not where I am going back to, to eventually not exist anymore.. That is basically like being god's soul or something maybe, being the 'all'? No thanks. I would rather be an individual, eventually with a soul mate, and a rich history of incarnating on this planet and others and a history of helping worlds become sovereign and progress in the way of the light.

I can see how people believe Ra material though. And I'm not saying I am definitively right. Seems I'm right but I've been wrong before of course with a thought... lol. Hard to get all of them right... Not bad to question established things from time to time. I did see that someone rated this thread one star though. lol... oh well :)

In my way of thinking, if a race needs to use technology for telepathy, they are third density. Fourth density is *all* telepathic. No technology is necessary. There is no need for talking at all, unless it is desired for some reason. Think of it this way: it is another level of consciousness, as different from our form of consciousness as ours is from an animal like a dog or a cat. This materialistic, technological picture you are presenting is valid for third density. One thing that you might want to consider is that ETs on a particular level might not even believe higher levels exist until they get there themselves. That is why I think you may be getting a skewed view.

I have been shown pretty conclusively that natural telepathy would be obsolete compared to technological even if beings had that capability. I find what you say as incorrect. And wouldn't it be a means of evolution if a race did actually become telepathic? Not some density thing? You saying this shows me that the Ra material is likely infiltrated. It's the advanced manipulation. Galactic federation of light being the beginners version.

Time will debunk the Ra material IMHO.

[Maunagarjana]

Also, you already are one with all, you just do not experience it. All that exists is the Creator. Every being is but the Creator in a temporary form. The end of the journey, the point of completion, is to become the Creator, which is who you really are. This, I would wager, is what Sirdipswitch means when he says, "You are a spiritual being of the highest order." He really does mean The Highest.

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I have been shown pretty conclusively that natural telepathy would be obsolete compared to technological even if beings had that capability. I find what you say as incorrect. And wouldn't it be a means of evolution if a race did actually become telepathic? Not some density thing? You saying this shows me that the Ra material is likely infiltrated. It's the advanced manipulation. Galactic federation of light being the beginners version.

Time will debunk the Ra material IMHO.

You seem to be under the same mistaken impression that many of these transhumanists are under who haven't realized yet that the most powerful form of technology that ever has or ever will exist is consciousness.

[Maunagarjana]

Hey, Omni....I'm curious. What do you think of the Allies of Humanity books. Do you consider them disinformation? If so, who do you think is behind it? ETs or humans? If not, why?

[Omni]

Hey, Omni....I'm curious. What do you think of the Allies of Humanity books. Do you consider them disinformation? If so, who do you think is behind it? ETs or humans? If not, why?

I hadn't heard of it before you mentioned it. Most Contactee stuff is at least partially US government from what I've observed though. Would you sum it up for me? If you did I could give you what I think if you are actually interested in such. :)

I did look up a site for it. It does mention God... Which is a turn off but that wouldn't make me disapprove of the whole thing.

[Iarmhéid]

Thumbs up to Mark Passio's work and I cannot recommend enough starting from the beginning of his podcasts here (http://www.whatonearthishappening.com/podcast)

[TargeT]

Such an interesting topic... the "new age" movement seems to be completely created by the CIA with the intent to cause a regressive social movement much in the same way that Huxley wrote about in a "Brave New World".

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[Maunagarjana]

I haven't read the Allies of Humanity. I've listened to Marshall Vian Summers talk on youtube before though. What I have heard and read about it doesn't resonate with me, personally. But I'm surprised you've never heard of it.

I dig Mark Passio. I don't think he has all the answers, but I think he makes some excellent points. I heard him interviewed by George Kavassilas recently, and thought that was an interesting pairing.

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The stuff about the CIA "creating" the New Age movement, I do not find to be persuasive at all. However, I do think there is some shaping of the grassroots movements that have sprung up, and infiltration into what Susan Joy Rennison calls, "The cultic milieu". And I've already attacked Jan Irvin on this forum, so no need to beat that dead horse any longer. He's a joke.

And let me say something that I've been wanting to say on this forum for a long time. The "New Age" is not new. It's as ancient as can be. It's a fundamental part of the Mystery Religions, the cycle of the Yugas, and even Christianity....as well as many other traditions, many of them native traditions. The CIA didn't create those, did they? The shift of the ages. That is what it is about. You can find some version of this in just about every spiritual tradition known to man.

People use the term "New Age" to mean "newfangled spirituality" or like "eclectic spirituality" or whatever, but it literally refers to the coming of a New Age, a Golden Age, when the planet and humanity will be transformed. And yes, even Christianity is "New Age" because they predict the Messianic Age and the Second Coming of Christ which will give birth to the New Heavens and New Earth. It may be a different interpretation, but it's the same thing in a different package.

[Omni]

I haven't read the Allies of Humanity. I've listened to Marshall Vian Summers talk on youtube before though. What I have heard and read about it doesn't resonate with me, personally. But I'm surprised you've never heard of it.

I dig Mark Passio. I don't think he has all the answers, but I think he makes some excellent points. I heard him interviewed by George Kavassilas recently, and thought that was an interesting pairing.

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The stuff about the CIA "creating" the New Age movement, I do not find to be persuasive at all. However, I do think there is some shaping of the grassroots movements that have sprung up, and infiltration into what Susan Joy Rennison calls, "The cultic milieu". And I've already attacked Jan Irvin on this forum, so no need to beat that dead horse any longer. He's a joke.

And let me say something that I've been wanting to say on this forum for a long time. The "New Age" is not new. It's as ancient as can be. It's a fundamental part of the Mystery Religions, the cycle of the Yugas, and even Christianity....as well as many other traditions, many of them native traditions. The CIA didn't create those, did they? The shift of the ages. That is what it is about. You can find some version of this in just about every spiritual tradition known to man.

People use the term "New Age" to mean "newfangled spirituality" or like "eclectic spirituality" or whatever, but it literally refers to the coming of a New Age, a Golden Age, when the planet and humanity will be transformed. And yes, even Christianity is "New Age" because they predict the Messianic Age and the Second Coming of Christ which will give birth to the New Heavens and New Earth. It may be a different interpretation, but it's the same thing in a different package.
No doubt many ideas seen as 'new age' are ancient. Chakras and reincarnation for example have been pretty big in people believing or considering. Both real IMO... But I think the manipulation is found in the channeling material like Ra and the like. The 'new age' material has been hijacked with psy ops. With ideas like time not existing for ascended beings, there being no defined good or bad. Mark Passio covers tons of it very well. So many false concepts have been propagated for the new age movement. We all(at avalon) want a golden age, TPTB do not very strongly. So naturally they would be wanting to infiltrate the new age movement to divide it etc.. Their normal programs.

And what they predicted was the energy amongst people to find new truths and be more progressive. Often what they find is a Psy op new religion or ET disinformation... I can be pretty certain now the Ra material is from at least partially a shady source, if it is saying all beings in 4D are all naturally telepathic and that's how they communicate. I can't covey it as it was conveyed to me by ETs why natural telepathy is impractical. But it was beyond persuasive. More like blinding light.

[Maunagarjana]

No doubt many ideas seen as 'new age' are ancient. Chakras and reincarnation for example have been pretty big in people believing or considering. Both real IMO... But I think the manipulation is found in the channeling material like Ra and the like. The 'new age' material has been hijacked with psy ops. With ideas like time not existing for ascended beings, there being no defined good or bad. Mark Passio covers tons of it very well. So many false concepts have been propagated for the new age movement. We all(at avalon) want a golden age, TPTB do not very strongly. So naturally they would be wanting to infiltrate the new age movement to divide it etc.. Their normal programs.

Those "false concepts" can all be found in millenia old spiritual traditions. Maybe if more people here at Avalon pulled themselves away from their conspiracy gossip for a minute and immersed themselves instead into the wisdom of the ancients, they would see through these silly misconceptions. But so much of what constitutes beliefs of New Agers comes from psychics, ET contactees and past life regression.


And what they predicted was the energy amongst people to find new truths and be more progressive. Often what they find is a Psy op new religion or ET disinformation... I can be pretty certain now the Ra material is from at least partially a shady source, if it is saying all beings in 4D are all naturally telepathic and that's how they communicate. I can't covey it as it was conveyed to me by ETs why natural telepathy is impractical. But it was beyond persuasive. More like blinding light.

I'm sure the ETs who are naturally telepathic would find that very amusing. ;) You do realize that there are human beings living on Earth that experience telepathy with no assistance from technology, right? There are these people out there called psychics. Might want to look into it. ;)

[Omni]

I'm sure the ETs who are naturally telepathic would find that very amusing. ;) You do realize that there are human beings living on Earth that experience telepathy with no assistance from technology, right? There are these people out there called psychics. Might want to look into it. ;)
It seems you are assuming that technology is not behind psychics? Such is debatable IMHO.

And being an intuitive is much different than full concepts and words being spoken in one's mind from another being's mind, with a full conscious energy of that being in the words.

As I understand it there are no beings that can speak into another being's mind with their own thoughts without technological assistance. I'm sure that when ETs use technology to speak into other being's minds, it becomes a misconception that they can do it with their minds. It is technology.

Covering some of the reasons I find it impractical... So would we evolve into suddenly reading each others minds? This could end so many relationships it's not even funny. Not every thought is meant to be shared.
Also, how would you route to the right people? I can give what I'd expect the US government to say to one of their contactees of such that "It's interconnectedness of everything". I do not discount the interconectedness of everything, but basically you could potentially be intruding on another being when you send them a thought. And how could you know that others are not sending someone a thought to that person at the same time. This would result in some people receiving an overload of thoughts. It's all impractical. The answer is, it is all technological, and AI is what moderates it. For example by asking if you want to talk to someone rather than them just piercing into your mind by thinking of you....

[Maunagarjana]

I'm sure the ETs who are naturally telepathic would find that very amusing. ;) You do realize that there are human beings living on Earth that experience telepathy with no assistance from technology, right? There are these people out there called psychics. Might want to look into it. ;)

It seems you are assuming that technology is not behind psychics? Such is debatable IMHO.

It can't be ruled out in some cases, sure. But for anyone to posit that all forms of psychic mind to mind communication is technologically based severely strains credulity for me.


And being an intuitive is much different than full concepts and words being spoken in one's mind from another being's mind, with a full conscious energy of that being in the words.

An intuitive is just one type of psychic. I don't know how much investigating into the paranormal you have done, or many psychics you have talked to, but there is a whole range of psychic abilities, some of which include direct mind to mind communication. And it not only applies to so-called psychics, but spiritual adepts as well (like yogis, meditation masters.) I have a friend who has traveled around India, Bhutan, and Tibet who is a Tibetan Buddhist, and he said when you get around these very high lamas, that telepathy is very common. So common that it's hardly remarked upon. That is because they have accessed more of their greater being and have seen through the illusion of separation.

But when it comes to ETs, we must consider the possibility that many of them have very advanced natural telepathic abilities that are simply amplified or somehow interfacing with technology we can't even imagine.


As I understand it there are no beings that can speak into another being's mind with their own thoughts without technological assistance. I'm sure that when ETs use technology to speak into other being's minds, it becomes a misconception that they can do it with their minds. It is technology.

Well, all I can say is ask psychics what they think, and why. I'm sure there are some here on this group who could give you some good answers.


Covering some of the reasons I find it impractical... So would we evolve into suddenly reading each others minds?

Not necessarily. The transition from 3rd to 4th density I would not consider to be a function of Darwinian evolution through natural selection. As I've said, it's hard to talk about this with you if you refuse to read the explanation of the transition as given by Ra. It's like trying to discuss evolution with a Young Earth Creationist who refuses to read Darwin or Dawkins.


This could end so many relationships it's not even funny. Not every thought is meant to be shared.

Or allow access to intimacy beyond what we can experience. In such a relationship, there is no miscommunication. After the initial period of turbulence involved in adjusting to it, what would follow would likely be very harmonious.


Also, how would you route to the right people?

My guess would be focused intent. You think of the person, and voila. Or you could probably broadcast too. I don't know.


I can give what I'd expect the US government to say to one of their contactees of such that "It's interconnectedness of everything". I do not discount the interconectedness of everything, but basically you could potentially be intruding on another being when you send them a thought.

They do not have to accept it or respond to it just because you send it. Just as I don't have to reply to every text message I receive.


And how could you know that others are not sending someone a thought to that person at the same time. This would result in some people receiving an overload of thoughts.

My impression of fourth density life is that it is full of just this sort of multitasking, but that it's not an overload or a burden. Because their minds are fuctioning in a fundamentally different way. It wouldn't surprise me if they could hold ten different discrete conversations at the same time with the conscious mind, all the while being out of body doing something else entirely. But that is just my vision of it. Maybe I just have a bit more imagination than you do when it comes to this topic.


It's all impractical. The answer is, it is all technological, and AI is what moderates it. For example by asking if you want to talk to someone rather than them just piercing into your mind by thinking of you....

Okay, you interpret everything technologically, so be it. I suppose if your contacts are atheist, materialist, transhumanists who have no knowledge of metaphysics, then that would be the impression you would get. But I wouldn't trust them.

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is the body not a form of technology?

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An intuitive is just one type of psychic. I don't know how much investigating into the paranormal you have done, or many psychics you have talked to, but there is a whole range of psychic abilities, some of which include direct mind to mind communication.
The illusion of a natural telepathy exists amongst humans who do not know what they are connected to. I'd argue that the people who have had full conversations of such(who are usually abductees from what I've heard) are connected to a transhuman network. And such communications are very limited at best from what I've heard of them. Not full conversations between minds.


Well, all I can say is ask psychics what they think, and why. I'm sure there are some here on this group who could give you some good answers.
Asking people if covert technology(whether guides provided it or not) is behind their gifts isn't exactly something that would spawn a clear mind. More like an offended one.


Not necessarily. The transition from 3rd to 4th density I would not consider to be a function of Darwinian evolution through natural selection.
Evolution is not only natural selection... Do you mean you do not think it would happen genetically? So everyone on earth would become telepathic overnight in some planetary ascension?


My guess would be focused intent. You think of the person, and voila. Or you could probably broadcast too. I don't know.
Which brings problems. Just think of a person and your thoughts are in their mind?... This would have all sorts of problems.


They do not have to accept it or respond to it just because you send it. Just as I don't have to reply to every text message I receive.
How could they not accept it if someone had the ability to send thoughts to their mind? And replying wasn't my point. If you were popular in some natural telepathic network you would be getting spammed with thoughts from people 'focusing' on you...


I suppose if your contacts are atheist, materialist, transhumanists who have no knowledge of metaphysics, then that would be the impression you would get. But I wouldn't trust them.
Materialist and have no knowledge of metaphysics because they do not agree with the Ra material? I'm not sure how you got those. I actually had a world first disclosure myself of metaphysical nature on this forum. Holographic chakras. Nobody else has explained it on the internet from what I found...

As for transhuman, all ETs who travel interstellar are transhuman to some degree. So by saying that about an Et race you are talking about all of them... Typical human ideas of transhumanism are not very developed or well informed. It is a very deep subject that not much is known about by most, except the example the US government is showing.


atheist,
As I understand it all races are(either atheist or agnostic) after they develop long enough minus very few who still hold onto their ideas of god. A full picture of science will give a better picture of if god exists.


materialist,
You seemed to make this one up...


transhumanists
All interstellar ETs :b


who have no knowledge of metaphysics,
You mean do not follow the same beliefs you do following a channeled material? I find this statement absurd. You don't find it a little odd that there is not a shred of scientific evidence of the densities? If there is please let me know. It's possible I just haven't found any, but I doubt there is...


But I wouldn't trust them.
They don't want my trust. They can be impersonated at any time by the US government to any contactee.