Surrender

[Skyhaven]

Over the past few years I felt a very strong urge to shift from a rational, controlling mindset to something else. I didn't really know what my new mindset was going to be like, but I did know that as I dug myself deeper into the controlling mindset, the more I felt I was out of control. Intuitively I then knew I had to go towards the exact opposite direction, letting it all go.

It took some courage at first but it slowly became the best choice I have ever made. The more I learned about the concept the more I knew this was the right path for me. I realized I needed to become like a child again. I felt I needed to unlearn all the logical, and controlling behavior I have been fed by parents, school, and society.

After a while I started to become aware of many subtle patterns embedded in normal day to day life that I needed to dismantle or at least needed to disregard with careful attention in order to keep them at bay. A big topic in this for me is not identifying with certain things. Keeping the guard up when it comes to things that are not representative of my true self.

The great beauty of this paradox is when you do surrender and have faith in how things happen, you achieve a lot more simply because the energy isn't wasted controlling everything. The actions seem to flow from another place, a place which I call the heart.

A piece from the Tao Te Ching:

"If you want to become full,
let yourself be empty.
If you want to be reborn,
let yourself die.
If you want to be given everything,
give everything up."

In logical terms this is hard to validate, but somehow these statements have a lot of substance to them, at least to me.

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http://www.thewordfoundation.org/PDF/T%26D_14th_ver01.pdf

"The book explains the purpose of life. That purpose is not merely to find happiness, either here or hereafter. Neither is it to “save” one’s soul. The real purpose of life, the purpose that will satisfy both sense and reason, is this: that each one of us will be progressively conscious in ever higher degrees in being conscious; that is, conscious of nature, and in and through and beyond nature. By nature
is meant all that one can be made conscious of through the senses."

[watchZEITGEISTnow]

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http://www.amazon.com/Letting-David-Hawkins-M-D-Ph-D/dp/1401945015/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1406135019&sr=1-1&keywords=letting+go

The wonderful Dr. David Hawkins writes splendidly about Letting Go. "To thee O Lord do I dedicate my life" is a total surrender to God. Simply put, you cannot fight the universe. What we often worry about or challenge for control is already behind us. There is just nothing we can do about it. For this instant in time it has already been decided and we cannot change it. We can intend (and manifest) a different future, but that is a different subject.

[Skyhaven]

What bothers me the most is that we are implicitly being taught that we are separated from creation, and that we need to plot everything in great detail in order to maintain ourselves or to be 'successful' if you will, that we can't live in the present moment, but we have to live ahead of ourselves in order to foresee possible events so that we can act upon it accordingly. And in doing so totally disregarding the natural way of things.

I think this is what is meant by the phrase "If you want to become full, let yourself be empty": if the mind is filled with the things you think you supposed to be, the flow of your natural self that wants to come in is blocked. I experience the same sensation if I try to take control of my breathing, within seconds the steady rhythm is gone, and It feels really awkward.

[Carmen]

Excellent thread Skyhaven, "Let go, let God", comes to mind. When we do this life becomes much more magical and adventurous. Our true inner Self has ways and means that our limited personality self hasn't a clue about. Learning to focus in the now moment and letting go is the key to this process.

[Skyhaven]

Exactly! It's very typical of our egoistic mind to try to take over the job of God, and think we can manage by ourselves. This somehow must be a key lesson for us here on earth. I mean look at the place, we took control alright, and look what we've done. Reminds me of another phrase of the Tao Te Ching:

"The world is sacred. It can't be improved. If you tamper with it, you'll ruin it"

[Daughter of Time]

Hello Skyhaven,

While I understand the notion you'd like to convey, I feel it is very difficult for most people to surrender because the word is fraught with the meaning of "give up" and we've been taught to "never give up!"

I believe that most people will not surrender until they get to the point of literally or figuratively falling on their knees and saying: "help me! I can't do this alone! I cannot exist in this reality anymore!"

Surrender for me would be going about my day with the trust that all will work out, as if the day were already done and I can be at peace about the outcome - difficult for me to do!

And while I respect the wisdom of the "Tao Te Ching" and agree that the world is sacred and can probably not be improved, I feel that it could use improvement - a lot of improvement!

I hope you will not interpret this post as a challenge to your beliefs. I am simply a human being stating my reality in which surrender is more than a challenge.

With love,

Daughter of Time

[Lifebringer]

This too shall pass, helps me. My guide when I get rattled, always tells me calm down, this too shall pass, and it's meant to be or they aren't awake yet, don't be angry. Especially w/family that looks at you a little strange. I think it's my psychic ability to sometimes trance and see things.
When they happen, then they really just say they don't want to talk about it, because whatever is gonna happen will happen. Talk about programming.

[Skyhaven]

Hello Daughter of Time,

For me surrender is actually acceptance of the self, not in that sense the forsaking or giving up of the self, as has indeed been led to believe through various definitions of the word.

Your right about that most people will not surrender until they get to the point of falling on their knees saying, help me! But it doesn't have to be that way, it is not easy, I know, especially if quitting is labeled as a weakness.

But even if people would label it is a weakness then again the paradox is true I think, that there ultimately can be great strength in admitting a weakness, because then you openly let go of a particular thing that is not representative of the self.

[Mac]

The word "surrender" will probably jar most so maybe "surrender to self" might make it easier to swallow.Try getting any man/woman who has achieved this to do your will or something they don't want to,not going to happen.It is not weakness it is the opposite but surrender is a loaded word for some I would imagine. Rgrds

"Self-interest is but the survival of the animal in us. Humanity only begins for man with self-surrender."
-Henri-Frédéric Amiel

[Skyhaven]

Your right Tooloud Ferme, dealing with definitions of abstract concepts can be a bit challenging.

[Shezbeth]

If referring to 'acknowledging and resigning one's self to the fact that there are circumstances, aspects, and details to life that are beyond one's control', then I agree. There is only one thing an individual can control, and that is themselves. Having said, surrender is not a realistic/conducive option IMO.


[...] here on earth. I mean look at the place, we took control alright, and look what we've done.

Be careful where you point that 'we'. I personally have nothing to do with the degradation (of the surface) of the Earth, nor do I know or actively involve myself with anyone who does. I would assume you are being inclusive regarding the human race, but the implication is that 'we' all share some of the responsibility; if that is your preferred perception that is fine, but taking responsibility for someone else's actions is foolishness IMO.

[Black Panther]

Jeff Foster talks a lot about this.

A picture of him on his Facebook page :

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Things happening in life are already accepted at that moment.
Only the mind judges (good / bad) and most of the time we want
things to be different.

And of course we want things to be different in this insane world,
but still resistance is futile. Leads to tension and suffering and
no solutions.

Really have to remind this myself ;)

[RunningDeer]

tgGBcSp4Huo


"The Strangest Secret of the Illuminati New World Order"


Thanks, watchZEITGEISTnow. There are different levels to this video. We can agree that we’re more than the human mind. The video highlights how we trip ourselves up by clogging it with false beliefs. It’s a helpful reinforcer when one listens from the larger perspective. And to also keep in mind the title.

“Every one of us is the sum total of our thoughts. Whether we want to admit that or not.”

It’s best to listen from the beginning, but this is a snippet @ 12:11 (http://youtu.be/tgGBcSp4Huo?t=12m11s):

"...The mind doesn’t care what we plant. Success. Failure. A concrete, worthwhile goal or confusion. Misunderstanding, fear, anxiety and so on. But what we plant, it must return to us. The human mind is the last great unexplored continent on earth. It contains the riches beyond our wildest dreams. It will return anything we want to plant.


If that’s true why doesn’t people use their minds more? They figured out an answer to that one too. Our mind comes as standard equipment at birth. It’s free. And anything that have been given for nothing, we place little value on. Things we pay money for, we value.

The paradox is that exactly the reverse is true. Everything that’s worthwhile in life came to us free. Our minds, our souls, our bodies, our hopes, our dreams, our ambitions, our intelligence, our love of family, our children, and friends and country. All these priceless possessions are ‘Free’. But the things that cost us money are cheap and can be replaced at any time…."

"But the things we got for nothing, we can never replace. The human mind isn’t used because we take it for granted."

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http://www.amazon.com/Letting-David-Hawkins-M-D-Ph-D/dp/1401945015/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1406135019&sr=1-1&keywords=letting+go

The wonderful Dr. David Hawkins writes splendidly about Letting Go. "To thee O Lord do I dedicate my life" is a total surrender to God. Simply put, you cannot fight the universe. What we often worry about or challenge for control is already behind us. There is just nothing we can do about it. For this instant in time it has already been decided and we cannot change it. We can intend (and manifest) a different future, but that is a different subject.

I've read all of Dr. David Hawkins' books. Some several times. It's one of the main reasons why I left the clock world in 2004. I needed time to figure out what my gut knew. I still was unaware of NWO, ptw and archonic energies. Hawkin’s material helps to piece that together.

[Mac]

Your right Tooloud Ferme, dealing with definitions of abstract concepts can be a bit challenging.

You're not wrong there 8) I just reread my post and "surrender to self" could be taken a few ways.Like yourself I knew in my head what I mean't lol. Defining "self" is a good one too ..I'll pass ;-) rgrds

[Wind]

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[Skyhaven]

Excellent video Wind! Thank you!

[Zampano]

Hello Skyhaven

I can totally relate to your situation!
In most, if not all mystical disciplines of the main religions it is said to give yourself up to god. Or the Absolute, the Self or whatever you wanna call it.
What is meant by that, is to give up your Ego or better the identification with the Ego.

There are many hints in ancient religious texts, but they used another language/meanings at that time.

A piece of the bible:

Mark 8:34 + 35 Then he called the crowd to him along with his disciples and said: “Whoever wants to be my disciple must deny themselves and take up their cross and follow me.
For whoever wants to save their life, will lose it, but whoever loses their life for me and for the gospel will save it.

If you want to follow the path of "enlightenment", deny yourself, take the "burden" to give up your Ego. Let your Ego "die" or dissolve and then, you can experience true, eternal life.
Because at that point you are not the Ego anymore and you act from the Absolute/the all that is.


For me, it was also an important lesson to learn that you can go with the flow, accept what is coming and dont try to control it. Makes life so much easier and you will live more in the moment, instead of worrying about the future and the past.


A big topic in this for me is not identifying with certain things.

Take this as an exercise. Are you your little finger? your leg? your ear? your emotions? your thoughts? your beliefs?
You cant be that, because everything changes...moods, thoughts, your ear gets cut off, beliefs are changing...
Whats left? Try it as an exercise.

There is an excellent thread here on Avalon by great members on that topic-have a look and feel free to contact me or other members via PM or posting there.
I recommend to not start at the first page....it will take you days to go through that pile of information, interviews, opinions, videos and so on. Just express yourself where you are right now ;-)

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?860-Enlightenment-and-related-matters.

All the best

Guenther

[Wind]

Excellent video Wind! Thank you!

You're welcome, Skyhaven. The word "surrender" brought Eckhart Tolle to my mind and I thought that I should share that video here. Such a great thread this is! :)

[GoodETxSG]

I have seen experienced an amazing width of the spectrum in my short yet eventful 44 years on this planet in this current Conveyance/Persona ("It's Not the Years It's the Mileage"!). I used to bat around term like "The more you don't give a ***, The more things go your way!", "If you love something let it go, if it leaves it was never yours to begin with" and "Do unto other's as you would have done unto your".

In my experiences in life starting off with a strange childhood, pretty tough life adolescence on I have seen universal laws play out over and over (With and without the participation of "Others") and I came to realize at a young age whether you believe in a god, gods, guardian angels, alien watchers on other densities... what ever! Something is keeping score for the Negative/Positive things that occur and balance seems to restore itself.

Part of me that began to think that all of this was mostly done by ourselves on a deeply subconscious level (I think it should be called supper/supra conscious level as we talk about the Higher Self level by level until it just becomes Source Again IMHO).

The reason is that in the time I was involved in work that put me face to face with a lot of these so called "Cabal/Elites" and I found they were mostly Sociopaths. And they seemed immune from the daily aspects of "Karma" in their dark lives with what they were doing (Maybe it is building up). So they didn't have an emotional component that we do that is our relay in some aspects to our "Supra Consciousness".

After I was out of the programs (As much as one can) I guess I had plenty of subconscious guilt because my luck was not very good and maybe subconsciously I punished myself with "Karma".

It didn't matter that part of my brain had learned things while "Working" such as "EVERYTHING IS TRUE AND NOTHING IS TRUE" and EXISTENCE/EVERYTHING is all just a VERY WIDE BEAM SPECTRUM of Vibratory Energy of all the Types/Densities/Dimensions/SO ON that we know of and all the sorts we WILL learn of and the ones we WILL NEVER learn of (And "Teaming with a Ying and Yang of Consciousness").

We are all just vibrations that can be self manipulated (Externally Manipulated or "Interfered With"), solid matter even we know is vibration, Yet Consciousness exists outside of but attached to this "Spectrum" and has potential to do quite a bit more than we are doing with it currently/Consciously, including create things in your "reality bubble" to make life better or worse.

;) Yet there could be some Consciousness in that Spectrum that our "Supra Consciousness" sends our "Naught" and "Nice" reports to... :mod:

Yet... I have had a lot of time to think about it lately, that is why I bring it up. The Thread Topic got me thinking and I was lead to post. Maybe we Do Punish ourselves... Forgiving Your Self of horrible things in this life time is hard enough let alone things you may have carried across other's... If you are able to really begin to forgive yourself for some things in life no matter the scale your Persona/Conveyance seems to become lighter and less cumbersome and if you begin to meditate and think positively things start to work out that way. Of course as usual "IMHO"
Thank you...

[Pam]

What bothers me the most is that we are implicitly being taught that we are separated from creation, and that we need to plot everything in great detail in order to maintain ourselves or to be 'successful' if you will, that we can't live in the present moment, but we have to live ahead of ourselves in order to foresee possible events so that we can act upon it accordingly. And in doing so totally disregarding the natural way of things.

I think this is what is meant by the phrase "If you want to become full, let yourself be empty": if the mind is filled with the things you think you supposed to be, the flow of your natural self that wants to come in is blocked. I experience the same sensation if I try to take control of my breathing, within seconds the steady rhythm is gone, and It feels really awkward.


That was beautifully stated, Skyhaven. What you described in your first sentence is the place where our egos have taken us. Leading us to believe that when we get to that place in the future , then, everything will be wonderful.

[Skyhaven]

What you described in your first sentence is the place where our egos have taken us. Leading us to believe that when we get to that place in the future , then, everything will be wonderful.

Exactly. And when we do arrive at that point in the future, we need get to the next point in the future.

[Pam]

Another thing that has been so very beneficial to my life is this:

The Serenity Prayer

Grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change
The courage to change the things I can
And the wisdom to know the difference.

In this context I find that acceptance and surrender are really the same thing. When I can live by this, my life resonates at such a lovely level. When I refuse it, well, lets just say things are much heavier, harder and unsatisfying. Thanks again for the wonderful contributions to this thread.

[Skyhaven]

That's a lovely prayer peterpam. In this world we need constant reminders like your prayer to not get caught up with the things that are constantly made to believe to be within the control of the ego-based mind.

[Skyhaven]

Just saw the Eckhart video again. He absolutely nailed it!!! Thanks again!

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