My brain is only a receiver

[Skyhaven]

Nikola Tesla said or wrote the following:

“My brain is only a receiver, in the Universe there is a core from which we obtain knowledge, strength and inspiration. I have not penetrated into the secrets of this core, but I know that it exists.”

To me this is a beautiful statement, but today's neuroscience strongly disagrees. They say that the personality is entirely made up of the sum of all the wiring inside the brain, and there is no 'outside' force intertwined.

I really like to believe there is more to me than my physical body, but I can't disregard neuroscience completely just because it doesn't feel right. My question to you is, can we somehow come up with a perspective that takes into account and does justice to the spiritual side as well as the scientific side?

[Maunagarjana]

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[Star Tsar]

Why not make it your signature Skyhaven? :)
Welcome aboard by the way....

[Matt P]

I wouldn't worry about what "today's neuroscience" thinks. By "today's" I assume you mean "mainstream." It's safe to say that mainstream anything is inadequate to describe/define anything of importance because the mainstream (what I call the fake reality control matrix) leaves out so much of the truth of the world. Yes, there is a way to take into account the spiritual. You do that on your own and study others in science who do the same and, of course, keep coming to Project Avalon!
I like Star Tsar's idea about the signature statement, too!

Matt

[Lifebringer]

I don't know how else to convince you, other than to say: "In 1991, after death of the body during child birth, I was up in the corner of the room watching every thing being done, including the ability to "see" the injury/shoulder fracture, from my pelvis, as they pulled her out feet first and her hands were folded as if in prayer. I remember thinking, ohhh, look at my baby girl, and then the paddles went across my chest, and I was back in my body, and conscious. I told them my baby's shoulder was fractured when they pulled her out feet first. That it hit my pelvis on the way out. There was a lab tech named Tina that was there to draw my blood before the emergency C-section, which did not happen because I cardio arrested, and they just pulled her out. I can safely say, that we still exist, after the "body/vehicle" expires. Like a car, take care of it, you live longer, if you don't, you don't get to ride for long.

[Omni]

The body loses some weight when it dies apparently. That could be a telltale sign of the soul. We have a soul, it's just a matter of science finding it...

[meeradas]

[...] can we somehow come up with a perspective that takes into account and does justice to the spiritual side as well as the scientific side?

Read (http://www.aurobindo.ru/index_e.htm)some Aurobindo. He' s the 'spritual scientist'.

[Carmody]

Nikola Tesla said or wrote the following:

“My brain is only a receiver, in the Universe there is a core from which we obtain knowledge, strength and inspiration. I have not penetrated into the secrets of this core, but I know that it exists.”

To me this is a beautiful statement, but today's neuroscience strongly disagrees. They say that the personality is entirely made up of the sum of all the wiring inside the brain, and there is no 'outside' force intertwined.

I really like to believe there is more to me than my physical body, but I can't disregard neuroscience completely just because it doesn't feel right. My question to you is, can we somehow come up with a perspective that takes into account and does justice to the spiritual side as well as the scientific side?

to repeat what other are indicating, we already possess that complex and involved science that explains these simple and real things.

All one has to do is..look widely with open eyes and the science is out there.

The leading edge of science is not in the textbooks, nor is it in the mainstream. It is in the places that are not considered by the aforementioned to be acceptable. The thing about the mainstream and the texts is that both are subject to change, as the very idea of science is about discovery and discovery involves changes in knowledge via exploration. even the fundamentals of science, those tenants of science..they cannot be allowed to slip into permanence - as that is dogma, or religion.

[AriG]

Maybe you could think of your brain as a CPU (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_processing_unit), your soul as RAM (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Random-access_memory) - mechanical devices to perform a function. Neither will work however, without energy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy)- which you could think of as your spirit. Given that energy cannot be created or destroyed, that would suggest a universal source. Energy also has mass, which would explain why the body loses mass after expiring.

I hope that you find Avalon as inspiring and fascinating as I do. This is an amazing collection of beings. Welcome!

[Sunny-side-up]

Maybe you could think of your brain as a CPU (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_processing_unit), your soul as RAM (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Random-access_memory) - mechanical devices to perform a function. Neither will work however, without energy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy)- which you could think of as your spirit. Given that energy cannot be created or destroyed, that would suggest a universal source. Energy also has mass, which would explain why the body loses mass after expiring.


I hope that you find Avalon as inspiring and fascinating as I do. This is an amazing collection of beings. Welcome!

Nice reply Arig.
Just a little thought:
what do you consider our ROM (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Read-only_memory) is ?

Love
Peace
Happiness
and Big Hugs
Alan

[Hervé]

You can stump any so-called neuroscientist spewing their brain theory with this:

How come certified brain-dead individuals come back to life and recount their OOBE/NDE of what happened to them, what was going on in the emergency room, etc...

Since the "brain" was dead, who/what was perceiving/recording/seeing/hearing/sensing the whole environment?

[countertheanimator]

Conservation of momentum....... blah blah blah. Gravity violates it.
Conservation of energy......blah blah blah. Gravity violates it.
Conservation of mass....blah blah blah. Gravity violates it.
What's next? Conservation of Oil?

Only one kind of conservation exists on this planet. Conservation of idiots.

[AriG]

Maybe you could think of your brain as a CPU (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_processing_unit), your soul as RAM (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Random-access_memory) - mechanical devices to perform a function. Neither will work however, without energy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy)- which you could think of as your spirit. Given that energy cannot be created or destroyed, that would suggest a universal source. Energy also has mass, which would explain why the body loses mass after expiring.


I hope that you find Avalon as inspiring and fascinating as I do. This is an amazing collection of beings. Welcome!

Nice reply Arig.
Just a little thought:
what do you consider our ROM (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Read-only_memory) is ?

Love
Peace
Happiness
and Big Hugs
Alan

Ha! Please note - I am not a techie! But I do like the computer analogy - ROM (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Read-only_memory).... hmm.... prior incarnations??

(links provided for other completely right brained beings out there ;))

xoxo

[ulli]

My brain is a receiver, too, as well as a processor.
One can take an idea, and then imagine its opposite, and a whole host of other spin-offs,
and then choose a course of actions from there on.
Which means that ideas from the spirit world, or whatever one wants to call it,
can still be taken a few steps further by a mere mortal.

[AriG]

Conservation of momentum....... blah blah blah. Gravity violates it.
Conservation of energy......blah blah blah. Gravity violates it.
Conservation of mass....blah blah blah. Gravity violates it.
What's next? Conservation of Oil?

Only one kind of conservation exists on this planet. Conservation of idiots.

You know, I wasn't going to say anything. I just quietly reported your angry arrogance to the Moderators, but I have now changed my mind. Hearing this might do you some good (or not). I just read through your posts. You are angry, arrogant and uninformed and you would be well served to keep your typing fingers planted beneath your buttocks and spend some time reading before posting your all knowing observations about a realm in which you have spent a mere 14 years. You might be under the misguided impression that the very wise and well read beings on this forum are somehow beneath your intellect, but all you have provided to this point is hot air and quite a number of veiled insults. I have surmised that you are either a very precocious and possibly abused 14 year old human with delusions of grandeur, or you are a schill. Both possibilities being equal in value. Now, go clean your room, go outside and get some exercise, live ten more years and then come back to talk with the grown ups when you have spent a bit more time on the vine. This advice applies to teeny boppers and government schils. One in the same.

[Skyhaven]

Thanks all for the warm welcome!

I just found a scientific article that supports the "the brain is only a receiver" view. Here are some interesting statements from it:

Consciousness and matter cannot be equated. Consciousness is not physical. Consciousness may
have physical correlates but consciousness itself is entirely nonphysical. Neurotransmitters,
neurons, brain chemistry, loops, circuits, ionic flux, electrical interference patterns, etc., are all
physical correlates of consciousness but not consciousness itself.

Unlike physical things, consciousness itself is not measurable. Consciousness has no mass, no
location, no boundaries, and does not occupy physical space. But matter has location, mass, and
physical dimension that can be measured. To clarify this, you may ask yourself, “What are the
dimensions of my perception of yonder tree? What is the height of my perception of that tree in
feet or inches?” Or, “What is the weight or length of my thought?” The contents of
consciousness are simply not in the physical world as we know it. One can discover no units of
measure for any aspect of consciousness.

Unlike the physical, consciousness itself is not directly observable. No instrument or technology
can detect consciousness. Brain imaging devices measure such correlates as blood flow or
oxygen consumption in a specific area of the brain. But this is not consciousness, awareness, or
subjective experience. Furthermore, if the activity imaged in a specific area is to be considered a
conscious or subjective awareness it would still require a unified self or observing homunculus
somehow or somewhere in the brain. But neuroscience cannot trace the presence or absence of
this kind of consciousness to any area of activity. There is no homunculus in the premises.

Consciousness itself then seems to fall outside the domain of science. Science is about what is
measurable or quantifiable. There is nothing that can be measured. There is nothing that can be
observed. There is no evidence for the existence of consciousness in the physical world except
by subjective report. And subjective report is consciousness reporting itself. Under the
prevailing jurisdiction of materialist science, subjectivity is forbidden.

If everything must be measurable, observable, and objective, then what is a materialist to do
about the undeniable reality of consciousness? To succeed in its quest the materialist paradigm
must find that critical point where a mind state and a brain state are identical. It is self-evident
this is impossible within materialism’s own definitions.


Source: http://jcer.com/index.php/jcj/article/viewFile/269/301

[PRAGMAE]

Yeah, neuroscience... Business ? Maybe.

There are signs sometimes, when you are aligned with something in the air, that the matrix isn't perfect. You can receive, send, even create/generate from nothing.
Just my 2 cents.

[AriG]

Unlike the physical, consciousness itself is not directly observable. No instrument or technology
can detect consciousness.
Source: http://jcer.com/index.php/jcj/article/viewFile/269/301

Its important to note (and surprising that the author of this paper didn't note) that electrons were not directly observable until 1897..

One day, it may be proven that a direct pathway to consciousness exists, but that the conscious being is seated outside of the body as an observer. Virtual reality so to speak.

[TargeT]

Thanks all for the warm welcome!

I just found an scientific article that supports the "the brain is only a receiver" view.

there are quit a few of these out there, keep looking ;)


Look into the studies of how it seems that brain activity and body activity timing is pretty "off" (like we do things before we think of doing them).

this is a great topic, definitely worth fleshing out... it will take a bit of research though.

[DeDukshyn]

Thanks all for the warm welcome!

I just found an scientific article that supports the "the brain is only a receiver" view.

there are quit a few of these out there, keep looking ;)


Look into the studies of how it seems that brain activity and body activity timing is pretty "off" (like we do things before we think of doing them).

this is a great topic, definitely worth fleshing out... it will take a bit of research though.

An example of this is instinctive reflexes themselves. They happen faster than can be explained by the mere physical circuitry in our bodies.

[Peace of Mind]

The body is a biological machine, an instrument used to conduct tests, study this environment/ realm/dimension. We operate it from a different place. Sought of like a video game where you control an avatar to experience a world you can’t physically exist in.

I never believed I (my true self) was the body or even inside of it. The body/machine/vessel can breathe on its own without you having to think about it. It consumes various energies, digesting it to form/build/regenerate/rebuild itself in various ways…without you having to think that process through. The body prepares and removes waste/poisons through sweat/urine/feces without you having to think it through. Pain isn’t real…what you feel is a warning/the brain alerting consciousness the body is suffering/damage and that you need to be more careful with it… or it won’t function properly. The body heals itself, meds don’t heal you…they only assist you in coping with the process of healing. Meds have the potential to do damage to the mind…as the patient is trained to believe the DR. is actually healing them with chemicals that are foreign to the bodies make up.

When the body becomes exhausted, it will require rest/cool down period…like any other machine. Dreams are contemplations, the mind dwelling/deciphering/analyzing your previous thoughts, your reflections prior to sleep. The body rests but the mind is always active. In sleep the mind stays learning; just like meditation… the calm brings peace and clarity. Ever heard of the term “sleep on it”? When you awake your faculties are fuzzy…as the machine reboots itself while the consciousness reconnects with the device/body, it’s sometimes hard to tell what’s real or not for a brief moment…but when that connection is made… any thoughts before the sleep cycle will have a much better understanding.

If the brain is dead/damaged…The body can still be laying in a bed with other machinery hooked up to it…assisting the body to function regularly (breathing, digesting, removal of waste, healing) all on its own…but the body cannot move unless a thought commands it to. It’s not a meat suit, you are not inside of it… you remote control it. Learn to accept and trust your higher self…the world/illusion will change to your liking. We’re here for the learning experience, exercise what we learned… then we move on.

Peace

[Skyhaven]

Since the paper stated:

Consciousness itself then seems to fall outside the domain of science. Science is about what is
measurable or quantifiable. There is nothing that can be measured. There is nothing that can be
observed. There is no evidence for the existence of consciousness in the physical world except
by subjective report.

Then a valid assertion would be that the spirit resides in the Nothing or No Thing, meaning it is something but it's not physical. This reminds me of something I came across a while ago. It's not very scientific, but hey we're trying to make a leap from science to No thing here, so bear with me.

Here's a statement from it:

Nothing is really something.

Einstein's general relativity equations show that space bends and prove that nothing is really something with substance. Supposedly, empty space is shaped, and it is the shape of space that creates the gravity that controls and creates the whole universe. It holds the planets in orbit, makes the sun and other stars burn, and it is empty space, nothing.

Value of general relativity: I always wondered what the practical benefit of general relativity was, and now I know. It proves that nothing is something, and in fact controls and creates the whole universe.

Nothing causes everything to happen. It creates gravity, gravity creates planets and stars, stars concentrate and release all energy and matter. Thus everything physical comes from and is created by nothing.

Our spirit is also like nothing. It is the so-called empty space between everything. The majority of everything is nothing, and it connects everything, everywhere.

Our essential, immortal self or soul is like the blank sheet that physical life is written on, the darkness that gives light a place to shine, the silence that gives sound a place to be heard, an infinite stadium that the game of life is played in. Nothing is more than something. It is the complete opposite of what people think. It is impossible to get your mind around; all you can do is know it is true and be it.

There are some things that are beyond the mind, literally. You can only know them, or in this case be them, when the mind is open.

You cannot experience nothing: You do not look inside yourself to find yourself as some eastern religions have been saying; there is nothing there. You cannot see or experience nothing; it is impossible. You can be like nothing, but not experience it. There is nothing to experience.

What does the experiencing cannot be experienced.

Spiritual perspective: You do not look in; you do the opposite, and you look out through your senses. When you experience everything, you are nothing at the same time. You have to be nothing to experience everything. If you are something, there is no room for everything. It is the spiritual perspective. You are looking out from nothing to everything, from nowhere to everywhere, from stillness to movement, from darkness to light.

It is interesting that the word “nowhere” is also “now here.”

The watcher/witness: The perspective of a spiritual being is as if you are sitting in a dark movie theater watching life. If the theater was not dark, you could not see the movie. Your soul or spirit is in a dark, silent void that is open to life. You are the void and everything in it, nothing and everything at the same time.


Source: http://www.truthcontest.com/entries/the-present-universal-truth/nature-of-nothing.html

[TargeT]

An example of this is instinctive reflexes themselves. They happen faster than can be explained by the mere physical circuitry in our bodies.

they've also shown that people know what what is going to happen before the physical body is exposed to it (using flash cards etc...)

[countertheanimator]

You know, I wasn't going to say anything. I just quietly reported your angry arrogance to the Moderators, but I have now changed my mind. Hearing this might do you some good (or not). I just read through your posts. You are angry, arrogant and uninformed and you would be well served to keep your typing fingers planted beneath your buttocks and spend some time reading before posting your all knowing observations about a realm in which you have spent a mere 14 years. You might be under the misguided impression that the very wise and well read beings on this forum are somehow beneath your intellect, but all you have provided to this point is hot air and quite a number of veiled insults. I have surmised that you are either a very precocious and possibly abused 14 year old human with delusions of grandeur, or you are a schill. Both possibilities being equal in value. Now, go clean your room, go outside and get some exercise, live ten more years and then come back to talk with the grown ups when you have spent a bit more time on the vine. This advice applies to teeny boppers and government schils. One in the same.

You see, this is why i wanted to hide my age. But I, like you, trusted community. All the time. Now, when i reanalyzed what i really did, i did act funny in the past. But somehow, had more success in life. The more you stick to community, the more successful you are. According to them. When i created my own world, with my own ideas and theories, i gained hate. But i could not get back to the previous state of life.

Let me tell you one more thing, almost nobody knows about me. I always dip my fingers into dangerous waters. Always. I always risk. No sacrifice, no victory.
This is a spiritual and scientific forum. I really do not want to talk a word about spirituality, but i'd die to speak for science. As for me, everything can be explained.

And as I am taught (never reveal what you know) I've had some good posts on this forum, which are deleted now. Very unfortunate for you.

We see things in a different point of view. And from my point of view, you currently should live somewhere back in the past.
There's just no point in arguing. That's for children. And i hope you will not use this against me, because if you will, that'd be ridiculous and stupid act.

[AriG]

:loco:...................

Ok little man, I have to respond and this will be my final response.

You suggest that I should live somewhere back in the past. Atlantis? Lemuria? Possibly.

You suggest that you are not interested in the spiritual, only the scientific. Have you read the Forum Founder's Tag line? "Where science and spirituality meet". Operative word being meet. You seem to insult any reference to spirituality and imho, you insult not only the members of this forum, you insult its founder.

You are not being met with "hate" (horrible word) due to your ideas, but rather your approach. Ever heard this "old" adage: "it is not the message, but the delivery"... Your delivery needs improvement.

If you aren't interested in "community" then what in the hell are you doing here? Looking for adversaries?

IMHO, you would be better served in another venue. Your core principles directly contradict those of the majority here. Your blatant disdain for others' points of view and your thread trolling suggest that you are looking for a fight. This is not a place of conflict, but rather ideas, support and sharing.

As Bill Ryan has astutely mentioned on numerous occasions, "would you invite this person into your living room". Young man, I wouldn't have you in my Butler's Pantry, let alone my living room.

I don't use your age against you. It is your lack of insight that is most unsettling and that coupled with your lack of experience, makes anything you have to say invalid.

When you have loved and lost and struggled and failed and prevailed.... come back and share your perspectives. As you do not have any faith in things of the spirit, we can assume that you have absolutely no previous incarnations upon which to draw and the fact that you have been out of diapers for no more than eleven years makes you less legitimate than my "do" list (well over fourteen years old).

What is truly sad is that if you weren't so dogmatic (an old person's trait, btw) you might have made some valuable contributions. Instead, you choose a venue in which the participants share a common creed and you seek to undermine it with your "wisdom" that belittles core values shared here.

I am going out on a limb here. Either you are unsubscribed or I am. I will not have my contributions to threads trolled by the likes of you. Whatever you are? I want no part of it.

To my fellow Avalonians: my sincere apologies for my emotional outburst. Something about this situation is sickening me. Please be careful with this one.

[countertheanimator]

Let me stop for a second. This is a big misunderstanding, and i see you continue to run on your own bad bad way.
I do not say i have anything hateful against spirituality. Just it is not on my bright side.
And everything you said in response to my first reply, was misunderstanding.

I joined this forum because there are many people who think likewise.
I wrote that reply when i read:"According to neuroscience, this is impossible"

My point was that the public is misinformed. Physicists also do the same as neuroscientists. They misinform people.


I don't use your age against you. It is your lack of insight that is most unsettling and that coupled with your lack of experience, makes anything you have to say invalid.

Never, Never think that a man who is younger has lack of experience. That's a bad thinking and a wrong delivery, as you say. Well, my message in the previous post was that i can learn spirituality from you, if i need or want, and that you can learn science from me. But you read that as i had hate against spirituality.




You know, I wasn't going to say anything. I just quietly reported your angry arrogance to the Moderators, but I have now changed my mind. Hearing this might do you some good (or not). I just read through your posts. You are angry, arrogant and uninformed and you would be well served to keep your typing fingers planted beneath your buttocks and spend some time reading before posting your all knowing observations about a realm in which you have spent a mere 14 years. You might be under the misguided impression that the very wise and well read beings on this forum are somehow beneath your intellect, but all you have provided to this point is hot air and quite a number of veiled insults. I have surmised that you are either a very precocious and possibly abused 14 year old human with delusions of grandeur, or you are a schill. Both possibilities being equal in value. Now, go clean your room, go outside and get some exercise, live ten more years and then come back to talk with the grown ups when you have spent a bit more time on the vine. This advice applies to teeny boppers and government schils. One in the same.


You are angry, arrogant and uninformed and you would be well served to keep your typing fingers planted beneath your buttocks and spend some time reading before posting your all knowing observations about a realm in which you have spent a mere 14 years.

You look like a conspiracy theorist now. Fully. But i get it. You thought that I am brainwashed by the mainstream media.


Now, go clean your room, go outside and get some exercise, live ten more years and then come back to talk with the grown ups when you have spent a bit more time on the vine.

And again. If you really read my posts, you would see that i have hate to those who lie, not those who speak truthfully.

I am very sorry for the small fight now.
Go on, resume about Tesla.

[johnf]

Science has mainly considered things from the idea that everything is made up of parts.
So anything that we consider to be us is just a part of something larger.
We tend to think in parts, communicate in parts, yet there have been many in mathematics, physics,
philosophy, who have hinted at the realty of wholeness.

I found this article to be a mind blower, but it covers a lot of ideas that have been pointed out over the centuries, and largely ignored
similar to many of Tesla's ideas.

http://www.spaceandmotion.com/Physics-David-Bohm-Holographic-Universe.htm

It is a challenge to wade through, but with a lot of looking up of words I got to a level of understanding of it that
helped me remember a larger "part" of myself for which the rest is merely a receiver.

John

[Skyhaven]

Thanks John! Yes, the one is the all, and the all are the one. All of the pieces together form the one, but knows itself simultaneously as all the pieces. Thus creation is not separate from the creator, but is made of the creator.

[sirdipswitch]

OK here ya go, I just went through this on my thread. chuckle chuckle.



"OK, are ya sittin up and payin attention??? Been talkin with George about this and He agreed. Gonna give ya some serious. ccc.

First I'm gonna back up to sompthin I said on another thread, although I wasn't talkin about Akashic.

What is memory? Why can't we sometimes remember stuff that we know for certain is stored in our very own brain. Just can't seem to dig it out of there. Really makes ya feel dumb sometimes, don't it. Well the problem ain't with your brain, but the simple fact that it ain't IN your brain. Your brain don't store nothin. nope. Your brain, is nothin more than a Transmiter/Reciever, of information. yep. All those intricate little synapsis thingys in there, are Transmiters and Recievers, of information... to and from the Akashic Record. yep. EVERYTHING, that hapens, every Nano-second of every single nano-second, of every single day, in the entire Universe, is "Recorded" in the Akashic.

Look at it this way... YOU/ME/EVERYTHING... is just a "Terminal"... of the Akashic, (Mainframe) yep. The Akashic, is our "Mainframe".

Akashic = Universal Record/Libray.

So what's the Universal record? Source

Source = Mainframe.

EVERYTHING... is stored by Source. (this is all part of that "Everunknowable" part.) So how do we get our memories back from the mainframe? (Source) Quite simple my dear friends. We ask. yep. It's that simple. Do NOT... try to complicate this!!!!! IT IS THAT SIMPLE.

You ever say the words, "I remember"? And then the proper words roll off the tip of your tonge as though you just pulled it from your very own memory. hmm. Quick, ain't He? ccc. yep! The Mainframe, is that quick!!!! There ain't a Super Computer even thought of yet, that will even hold a candle to that which the Mainframe is capable of. can you say "Ever Unknowable?" ccc.

Now... how do you go about getting access to information you don't remember or have any knowledge of in the first place? hmm. YOU, may not know sompthin... but the Mainframe does. hmm. So how do you coerce IT, into giving it to lowly little old you? I've already told you. Wern't you listening? Simple, you ask. yep. All ya gotta do... is ask. Do you remember? That I continually talk about learning to ASK the right questions? hmm. Do you remember, that I continually talk about being Explicitly Specific, in the things that you do ask? hmm. If you type a Specific Web address into your browser, you will get a Specific web-site. If you type in a random "Term", you will get a large choice of web-sites from which to chose. Same with Source.

Here's a bit of practice for ya. I know you have this waiting right on the tip of your tongue. ccc.

SAY this: "Give me Einsteins formula, for his theory of relativity, in 10 seconds.

That's a nuther trick, in the how to. Don't just ask the question, but put a time on it also, as to "When" you want it. If you don't, you may just get it tomoro. Never say: "I can't find my keys." Where are my keys now! And then go right to them. yep. "I need my keys now!!!" "Show me my keys now!!!" THINK it as a Command, not a question. THINK, of HS when you say it. THINK of Source, when you say it. And then THANK them when you find it. yep. works. Everytime. NEVER, doubt your HS or Source... and they will always give what you want.

Never say; "I can't remember", when you actually do want to remember.

I will think of it in a second! Guess what that does for you? cc.

Here is knowledge... YOU may not know something, but Source does. Oh yah, and yer actually talkin to your HS, which is your terminal to Source. Plug into HS, plug into Source. yep.

YOU are plugged directly into the Mainframe. Through HS. yep. uh-huh.

Oh yah, and this don't have to be a silent connection. You can talk to HS/Source, just as you would a librarian. Yep. You can work out whatever it is you are asking for, with HS/Source, the very same as working it out with a librarian. ccc. Works slick too. Just keep narrowing down your choices and getting more and more specific in your questons.

cccccc, I can smell the sawdust burnin from here. cccc. Y'all gonna have fun with this one!!!! cccc."

Yes and don't ferget also... this body ain't really you, but just a suit you wear to have this Physical experience. You are an Immortal Spirit Being OF The Highest Order, and nothing can harm you. Only this body will die.

Your Spirit is Forever...:wizard:

[Maunagarjana]

I just happened to come across this article today.

The Influence Vedic Philosophy Had On Nikola Tesla’s Idea Of Free Energy
http://www.collective-evolution.com/2014/07/23/the-influence-vedic-philosophy-had-on-nikola-teslas-idea-of-free-energy/

[Skyhaven]

Just reading some neurology stuff about near death experiences, they write the following:

Neuroscientists are piecing together plausible explanations for each of the components of the NDE. The sensation of floating outside one’s body can be reliably induced by suppressing that part of the brain that makes us feel as if we possess our bodies. The experience is identical to that reported by those who have had an NDE. This experience can be replicated by drugs or magnetic stimulation. There are even reports (I have had one such patient) of people who have a typical NDE experience during seizures. The bright light can be explained as a function of hypoxia (relative lack of oxygen) either to the retina or the visual cortex. Any everything else is simply the culturally appropriate hallucinations of a hypoxic brain.

Source: http://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/studying-near-death-experiences/

[araucaria]

You know, I wasn't going to say anything. I just quietly reported your angry arrogance to the Moderators, but I have now changed my mind. Hearing this might do you some good (or not). I just read through your posts. You are angry, arrogant and uninformed and you would be well served to keep your typing fingers planted beneath your buttocks and spend some time reading before posting your all knowing observations about a realm in which you have spent a mere 14 years. You might be under the misguided impression that the very wise and well read beings on this forum are somehow beneath your intellect, but all you have provided to this point is hot air and quite a number of veiled insults. I have surmised that you are either a very precocious and possibly abused 14 year old human with delusions of grandeur, or you are a schill. Both possibilities being equal in value. Now, go clean your room, go outside and get some exercise, live ten more years and then come back to talk with the grown ups when you have spent a bit more time on the vine. This advice applies to teeny boppers and government schils. One in the same.

You see, this is why i wanted to hide my age. But I, like you, trusted community. All the time. Now, when i reanalyzed what i really did, i did act funny in the past. But somehow, had more success in life. The more you stick to community, the more successful you are. According to them. When i created my own world, with my own ideas and theories, i gained hate. But i could not get back to the previous state of life.

Let me tell you one more thing, almost nobody knows about me. I always dip my fingers into dangerous waters. Always. I always risk. No sacrifice, no victory.
This is a spiritual and scientific forum. I really do not want to talk a word about spirituality, but i'd die to speak for science. As for me, everything can be explained.

And as I am taught (never reveal what you know) I've had some good posts on this forum, which are deleted now. Very unfortunate for you.

We see things in a different point of view. And from my point of view, you currently should live somewhere back in the past.
There's just no point in arguing. That's for children. And i hope you will not use this against me, because if you will, that'd be ridiculous and stupid act.

We are now at the end of August and you are still pretending to be 14 years old. Isn't about time you cleaned up your act? You didn't have to give us an age at all, but having been called out, you really should be advertising your real birth certificate age. We have threads criticizing Obama for falsifying his birth certificate. What goes for him goes for you: you cannot expect any of your posts to be taken as anything other than garbage while carrying on this pretence.

[Omni]

I'm not sure the history of the posters arguing. But age does not mean wisdom. When I was 14 I had a decent grasp of the world already. I think debating the content of posts is more valuable than putting down someone's age. There is no wisdom in talking down to young people... It is a virus of the mind in older people that they think they are so superior to young people IMHO. I don;t see much reason for the venom applied to counter. Maybe I missed a lot of the energy and interaction that lead to this. But I don't think slamming someone because of age is much with the ethos of Avalon. Posts like that will lead to people unsubscribing. And that is sad to me to lose a perspective on this forum...

Maybe ari is totally right in calling this poster out. I can't judge that. I only see what's in this thread... Just don't think using someone's age is a good point in terms of debating/analyzing them.

[araucaria]

I'm not sure the history of the posters arguing. But age does not mean wisdom. When I was 14 I had a decent grasp of the world already. I think debating the content of posts is more valuable than putting down someone's age. There is no wisdom in talking down to young people... It is a virus of the mind in older people that they think they are so superior to young people IMHO. I don;t see much reason for the venom applied to counter. Maybe I missed a lot of the energy and interaction that lead to this. But I don't think slamming someone because of age is much with the ethos of Avalon. Posts like that will lead to people unsubscribing. And that is sad to me to lose a perspective on this forum...

Maybe ari is totally right in calling this poster out. I can't judge that. I only see what's in this thread... Just don't think using someone's age is a good point in terms of debating/analyzing them.
I agree omni, but there is a bit of history to this that you need to check out. I agree that age is largely irrelevant, which is why i don't give mine. But I don't think pretending to be 14 is much with the ethos of Avalon - it is a minor form of deception of which you hear about more egregious examples in connection with older people grooming youngsters.

[Omni]

I'm not sure the history of the posters arguing. But age does not mean wisdom. When I was 14 I had a decent grasp of the world already. I think debating the content of posts is more valuable than putting down someone's age. There is no wisdom in talking down to young people... It is a virus of the mind in older people that they think they are so superior to young people IMHO. I don;t see much reason for the venom applied to counter. Maybe I missed a lot of the energy and interaction that lead to this. But I don't think slamming someone because of age is much with the ethos of Avalon. Posts like that will lead to people unsubscribing. And that is sad to me to lose a perspective on this forum...

Maybe ari is totally right in calling this poster out. I can't judge that. I only see what's in this thread... Just don't think using someone's age is a good point in terms of debating/analyzing them.
I agree omni, but there is a bit of history to this that you need to check out. I agree that age is largely irrelevant, which is why i don't give mine. But I don't think pretending to be 14 is much with the ethos of Avalon - it is a minor form of deception of which you hear about more egregious examples in connection with older people grooming youngsters.
Perhaps calling that person out is indeed called for. I'm curious how this conclusion was reached? I still don't think picking on someone's age is worthwhile, but if they are lying about it I totally agree with calling them out about it. Just not talking down to them for being 14(in a post I saw). I had a minor problem with that...

[Wind]

I thought that countertheanimator would have to be extremely intelligent for his age, an observation I made about his writing skills. Either we have a case of genius or...

[araucaria]

I thought that countertheanimator would have to be extremely intelligent for his age, an observation I made about his writing skills. Either we have a case of genius or...

The age thing is getting a little confusing – not a good sign. I have not been taking the following in the way it was apparently intended to mean:


You see, this is why i wanted to hide my age.

Where I am coming from is given here:



However if i was one of the bad guys, trust me, i would not be under government surveillance.

Trust you? That's not how it works. You have to earn people's trust.
Most 14-year-olds are under government surveillance - it is done through school teachers and is generally above board :)
And very occasionally they find kids who are actually young adults. And sometimes they are even deceived and don't find them. As a forum member whom no one gets to see, it would be so much easier to pass off as a kid. So, even if you are trustworthy, you can only be trusted in harmless matters, until you earn a little trust.

In the middle of that thread, countertheanimator was marked Unsubscribed, only to reappear some time later. We have no info as to what was going on here, and I don’t remember ever seeing a member reinstated so promptly and quietly – another grey area – but with hindsight I suspect it has something to do with some insensitive posts, now deleted, he made on AriG’s thread: “Re: Another healing request for my mother”

Sorry for the conflict I have made.

Let's leave that, i came for something else.

Let’s leave the age issue: it is ultimately undecidable, so I shall accept an extremely precocious 14 years for now. Instead, I will voice the much more substantive complaint that we are still waiting for countertheanimator to elaborate on an extraordinary claim. They don’t get much bigger than floutings of the second law of thermodynamics, and failing to respond to Hazel’s post below is wasting everyone’s time.


Just to help along those of us not in the 'professional' know...
here's the "simple" Thermodynamic Laws that were taught to many of us in school.


Physics4Kids

www.physics4kids.com/files/thermo_laws.html (http://www.physics4kids.com/files/thermo_laws.html)

Thermodynamics and Heat in Physics

Thermodynamic Laws that Explain Systems
A thermodynamic system is one that interacts and exchanges energy with the area around it. The exchange and transfer need to happen in at least two ways. At least one way must be the transfer of heat. If the thermodynamic system is "in equilibrium," it can't change its state or status without interacting with its environment. Simply put, if you're in equilibrium, you're a "happy system," just minding your own business. You can't really do anything. If you do, you have to interact with the world around you.

A Zeroth Law?
The zeroth law of thermodynamics will be our starting point. We're not really sure why this law is the zeroth. We think scientists had "first" and "second" for a long time, but this new one was so important it should come before the others. And voila! Law Number Zero! Here's what it says: When two systems are sitting in equilibrium with a third system, they are also in thermal equilibrium with each other.

In English: systems "One" and "Two" are each in equilibrium with "Three." That means they each have the same energy content as "Three". But if THAT’S true, then all the values found in "Three", match those in both "One" and "Two". It’s obvious, then, that the values of "One" and "Two" must ALSO match. This means that "One" and "Two" have to be in equilibrium with each other.

A First Law
The first law of thermodynamics is a little simpler. The first law states that when heat is added to a system, some of that energy stays in the system and some leaves the system. The energy that leaves does work on the area around it. Energy that stays in the system creates an increase in the internal energy of the system.

In English: you have a pot of water at room temperature. You add some heat to the system. First, the temperature and energy of the water increases. Second, the system releases some energy and it works on the environment (maybe heating the air around the water, making the air rise).

A Second Law
The big finish! The second law of thermodynamics explains that it is impossible to have a cyclic (repeating) process that converts heat completely into work. It is also impossible to have a process that transfers heat from cool objects to warm objects without using work.

In English: that first part of the law says no reaction is 100% efficient. Some amount of energy in a reaction is always lost to heat. Also, a system can not convert all of its energy to working energy.

The second part of the law is more obvious. A cold body can't heat up a warm body. Heat naturally wants to flow from warmer to cooler areas. Heat wants to flow and spread out to areas with less heat. If heat is going to move from cooler to warmer areas, it is going against what is “natural”, so the system must put in some work for it to happen.
Thermodynamics and Heat in Physics

Thermodynamic Laws that Explain Systems
A thermodynamic system is one that interacts and exchanges energy with the area around it. The exchange and transfer need to happen in at least two ways. At least one way must be the transfer of heat. If the thermodynamic system is "in equilibrium," it can't change its state or status without interacting with its environment. Simply put, if you're in equilibrium, you're a "happy system," just minding your own business. You can't really do anything. If you do, you have to interact with the world around you.


Are we now sufficiently prepared for you to reveal what you have that "violates the 2nd Law of Physics" countertheanimator?




Let me tell you one more thing, almost nobody knows about me. I always dip my fingers into dangerous waters. Always. I always risk. No sacrifice, no victory.
This is a spiritual and scientific forum. I really do not want to talk a word about spirituality, but i'd die to speak for science. As for me, everything can be explained.

A pity about the spirituality, but the real problem is that, pending the extraordinary proof, this appears to mean “I really do not want to talk a word about science”. So “everything can be explained”? Well, let’s have some explanations please instead of being disagreeable with people.

[Skyhaven]

Well, let’s have some explanations please instead of being disagreeable with people. http://www.allsmileys.com/files/kolobok/standard/68.gif

[Jake]

Folks, physics HAS crossed the line into the study of consciousness. There are no particles. The atoms family only exist as variables/potentials, until engaged by consciousness. No one variable can exist by itself,, these energetic properties only 'exist' if they are pulled together by a SYSTEM of probabilities.. The key ingredient to any system of potentials is consciousness. There is and inseperability between consciousness and matter. The wave form does not collapse, and superposition does not break down,, until observed or engaged by consciousness...

See the double slit experiment, as an effort to understand 'wave/particle' duality.. and try and wrap your brain around this brick wall that physics has run into.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8M72pX5wlyE

You guys,,, this is the secret that this world is looking for.. Almost nobody has let the implications of this experiment set in. Bright physicists have quit, because they will not participate in an angle of physics that dovetails into the study of consciousness... To understand the world in the Newtonian, particle physics model,,, is like riding your bike with training wheels on... It makes sense for a while,, but please grow up and take off the training wheels. Consciousness creates reality. There is no getting around it,,,, You can get around gravity... but not consciousness.... Gravity is simply 'condensed space',, stretched and warped creating a pull, where it is warped.. without matter, there is no gravity,,, without consciousness,,, there is no matter.

There is an inseparability between consciousness and matter.. If there is no consciousness observing,,, there is no tree, and NO,, there is no sound! :)

I foresee a revolution. :) If we were to ALL have an OBE at the same time, or on the same day, or night,,,, and we all remembered them... Every one of these discussions will fall by the wayside, as every single person in the world will know that they are more than their physical bodies. And that our brains/eyes, are not just receivers,, but they are PROJECTORS too. Projectors that put up false imagery that have us confused about the nature of reality. TPTB have already been knowing this for longo time, and have done a dandy job at hiding it from us. Making us hide it from ourselves.

Our egos tend to want to offer us immortality... How dare the ego offer us something that we already have!!!

Cheers
Jake.

[thunder24]

Folks........
The atoms family only exist as variables/potentials, until engaged by consciousness. No one variable can exist by itself,, these energetic properties only 'exist' if they are pulled together by a SYSTEM of probabilities.. The key ingredient to any system of potentials is consciousness. There is and inseperability between consciousness and matter.

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[Skyhaven]

There is an inseparability between consciousness and matter.. If there is no consciousness observing,,, there is no tree, and NO,, there is no sound! :)

I foresee a revolution. :) If we were to ALL have an OBE at the same time, or on the same day, or night,,,, and we all remembered them... Every one of these discussions will fall by the wayside, as every single person in the world will know that they are more than their physical bodies. And that our brains/eyes, are not just receivers,, but they are PROJECTORS too. Projectors that put up false imagery that have us confused about the nature of reality. TPTB have already been knowing this for longo time, and have done a dandy job at hiding it from us. Making us hide it from ourselves.

Our egos tend to want to offer us immortality... How dare the ego offer us something that we already have!!!

Cheers
Jake.

Indeed a revolution we need! A revolution of knowing and accepting a human beings true identity! We should formulate a clear and concise 'declaration of human identity' that is backed up scientifically and spread on a mass scale by a community of supporters.

If we could only get this awareness out to the masses, I am convinced that the actions that lead to change will not be far behind.


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[Rich]

...where science and spirituality meet.

At first it was assumed that matter and thought are something entirely different.
Then they admitted a link between it.
Sooner or later they will say that matter IS consciousness.

The highest form of science is spirituality (Self knowledge)
Or you could say the highest spirituality is science since it is based on facts not believes.

Ramana said something like 'knowing what you are is the only true knowledge'.

[Jake]

...where science and spirituality meet.

At first it was assumed that matter and thought are something entirely different.
Then they admitted a link between it.
Sooner or later they will say that matter IS consciousness.

The highest form of science is spirituality (Self knowledge)
Or you could say the highest spirituality is science since it is based on facts not believes.

Ramana said something like 'knowing what you are is the only true knowledge'.

I can go with that.. Mostly! :) Science is the study of nature, and the mechanics thereof... As nature is a good teacher,, I cannot default science. Yet, science tries to explain away the very act of 'observing' as non existent and irrational.. If it is all random synapsis then where does the 'observer' come from??

BTW they are way past saying that matter IS consciousness.. :)

Science is a belief system too... All observations regarding particle physics have been shown to be flawed by the fact that the wave form is not physical, nor is the observing consciousness.. The material/particle world is only a point of view, that only comes into play when we observe it. I had a dream once, where I knocked on the door of a house.. wait,,, how did my knuckle hit a solid door when neither my knuckle or the door 'existed'?? There is nothing physical in a dream, right? How, then,,, does it seem physical, when we are dreaming?? Because our minds make it real. It is actually quite gooey, and pliable, and not as seamless as our minds make it. Physicality is another level of the dream... We have made it physical by augmenting our 'point of view'. We cannot readily tell it is a dream until we 'wake up'...

Merrily, Merrily, Merrily, Merrily...

Jake.

[Skyhaven]

...where science and spirituality meet.

At first it was assumed that matter and thought are something entirely different.
Then they admitted a link between it.
Sooner or later they will say that matter IS consciousness.

The highest form of science is spirituality (Self knowledge)
Or you could say the highest spirituality is science since it is based on facts not believes.

Ramana said something like 'knowing what you are is the only true knowledge'.

I can go with that.. Mostly! :) Science is the study of nature, and the mechanics thereof... As nature is a good teacher,, I cannot default science. Yet, science tries to explain away the very act of 'observing' as non existent and irrational.. If it is all random synapsis then where does the 'observer' come from??

BTW they are way past saying that matter IS consciousness.. :)

Science is a belief system too... All observations regarding particle physics have been shown to be flawed by the fact that the wave form is not physical, nor is the observing consciousness.. The material/particle world is only a point of view, that only comes into play when we observe it. I had a dream once, where I knocked on the door of a house.. wait,,, how did my knuckle hit a solid door when neither my knuckle or the door 'existed'?? There is nothing physical in a dream, right? How, then,,, does it seem physical, when we are dreaming?? Because our minds make it real. It is actually quite gooey, and pliable, and not as seamless as our minds make it. Physicality is another level of the dream... We have made it physical by augmenting our 'point of view'. We cannot readily tell it is a dream until we 'wake up'...

Merrily, Merrily, Merrily, Merrily...

Jake.

And it might actually be a dream within a dream within a dream, becoming clearer and clearer... I would't be surprised that when we popped out of this life's dream, we say wowww, that was just a dream, this feels a lot more real :)

[DeDukshyn]

...where science and spirituality meet.

At first it was assumed that matter and thought are something entirely different.
Then they admitted a link between it.
Sooner or later they will say that matter IS consciousness.

The highest form of science is spirituality (Self knowledge)
Or you could say the highest spirituality is science since it is based on facts not believes.

Ramana said something like 'knowing what you are is the only true knowledge'.

I can go with that.. Mostly! :) Science is the study of nature, and the mechanics thereof... As nature is a good teacher,, I cannot default science. Yet, science tries to explain away the very act of 'observing' as non existent and irrational.. If it is all random synapsis then where does the 'observer' come from??

BTW they are way past saying that matter IS consciousness.. :)

Science is a belief system too... All observations regarding particle physics have been shown to be flawed by the fact that the wave form is not physical, nor is the observing consciousness.. The material/particle world is only a point of view, that only comes into play when we observe it. I had a dream once, where I knocked on the door of a house.. wait,,, how did my knuckle hit a solid door when neither my knuckle or the door 'existed'?? There is nothing physical in a dream, right? How, then,,, does it seem physical, when we are dreaming?? Because our minds make it real. It is actually quite gooey, and pliable, and not as seamless as our minds make it. Physicality is another level of the dream... We have made it physical by augmenting our 'point of view'. We cannot readily tell it is a dream until we 'wake up'...

Merrily, Merrily, Merrily, Merrily...

Jake.

And it might actually be a dream within a dream within a dream, becoming clearer and clearer... I would't be surprised that when we popped out of this life's dream, we say wowww, that was just a dream, this feels a lot more real :)

I fully see reality as cascade of dreams only. We have a big "outside dream" - as don Miguel Ruiz (Toltec wisdom) would put it, and we have each our individual dreams within that dream. The big outside dream gives us our laws of physics and rules of mechanics that make up our physical Universe, and we have to dream within those constructs, and any other constructs from within that big dream that have been given power by our agreements.

When we dream asleep, we are not bound by any of these constructs, but only the ones we agree to, when we dream awake (what we call being conscious) we are bound by the dream that provides the constructs of the physical world.

As Jake states though, there is much to the mechanics of this universe we do not understand yet, and it can be influenced in many ways - I have created my own "miracles" at times by not having such a strong belief / agreement to the nature of time as it is commonly known. Humans have a hard time distinguishing what are mere (often collectively) agreements/beliefs (malleable and changeable), and what are the actual laws of existence (more rigid).

My 2 cents.

[Jake]

And it might actually be a dream within a dream within a dream, becoming clearer and clearer... I would't be surprised that when we popped out of this life's dream, we say wowww, that was just a dream, this feels a lot more real :)

Indeed.. I pop in and out, quite often,, as I have had manymany OBE's. There is more going on, beyond the Earth-life Belief System Territories. An interesting duality,, When I am 'in' my body,, I am always thinking about being 'out' of my body,, yet when I get 'out' of my body,,, I wake into a place where my knowledge is total, (no human filters) and I learn so much that I begin wanting to come back, and apply what I learned to the physical... Then I get back into the physical,, and everything is 'groggy' and 'slow' and 'thick' and 'muddy' and I can't think right,, something is missing,,,, JUST LIKE A DREAM!!! (There are bullies in my dreams , but they remain hidden, elusive,, powerful,,, unseen,,,, yet I know that they are there!!
The bullies in THIS dream, (tptb) also remain hidden, elusive,, powerful,,, unseen,,,, yet I know that they are there!!! Something is not quite right,, we can't seem to grip the right thoughts... JUST LIKE A DREAM!!

So, many times when I refer to a 'global awakening',, I am meaning it in a very literal sense..
Jake.

[DeDukshyn]

So, many times when I refer to a 'global awakening',, I am meaning it in a very literal sense..
Jake.

That is how I always thought of "awakening" as well. While coming to a larger realization than previous expands the consciousness, I do prefer to reserve the term "collective awakening" or global awakening as you put it, for coming to that final realization of what and where we really are.

Without trying to hijack the conversation or topic; Jake, you state bullies are a common theme in your travels, and they act the same everywhere ... is it that they are so ubiquitous outside the self, or perhaps from still within the mind that that is what you experience? It is something I have pondered a lot myself ... how much of my experience is created by my self?

[Rich]

... how much of my experience is created by my self?
All of it.

[DeDukshyn]

... how much of my experience is created by my self?
All of it.

That is my thinking ;)

[Rich]

I can post some good videos of Bashar concerning this if you're interested. Kinda off topic thou.

[RunningDeer]

I can post some good videos of Bashar concerning this if you're interested. Kinda off topic thou.

FYI EmEx: there's a thread on Bashar (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?60541-Bashar&p=695351&viewfull=1#post695351), and some posts there are transcribed.

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[Rich]

Yes, have seen it before. Am thinking of creating a thread about the subject of creating ones reality specifically.

[Skyhaven]

Dr. Stuart Hameroff: uploading your consciousness in an alernative medium.
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A bit technical, but nevertheless worth sharing here.