Israel has gone mad..someone has to stop them!!

[ktlight]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKbofRIPmUs

"Published on Jul 31, 2014
The artist taxi driver"

Someone has to tell Israel, "You stop it! You stop it! STOP!!!!!"

[Maia Gabrial]

Yep, totally agree. Many people around the planet agree, too.

[wnlight]

The USA needs to stop supporting Israel. Period. And never resume. Period. Just cut them off. Any idea that we can control them if we continue support to them is ludicrous and based upon false premises. The USA government will never tell Israel to stop. Israel controls the USA government, so it will be difficult to cut them off.

[Jake]

The USA needs to stop supporting Israel. Period. And never resume. Period. Just cut them off. Any idea that we can control them if we continue support to them is ludicrous and based upon false premises. The USA government will never tell Israel to stop. Israel controls the USA government, so it will be difficult to cut them off.

Of course,,, All nations need to stand against this, but especially US... Try and imagine that American People and the American Government are NOT the same beast... Nobody in America voted to support Israel.. NOBODY, NOT A SINGLE PERSON. Watch how fast Americans would become goyem, and be considered 'already dead' by Israel... Anybody who supports this **** is simply hiding their heads in the sand!! (no pun intended) I have to stop listening to this guy,,,, It's hurting my soul.... I have to go to work... God please help these people....

Jake.

[Cidersomerset]

I'm posting this sequence on another thread, but as its on my mouse i'll paste
here as well, self explanatory.



The Israeli spokes person ,sorry Washington spokes person trying to defend the indefencible !!!!

This woman is one of the most annoying I've heard , she does not seem
to have watchad any news reports on Gaza, and its the same when she
talks about Ukraine. Her answers are I'll check , I'll Check ,I'll check,
or we stand by Israel whatever ! 'waffle' waffle'....which is fine to a
point , but its like talking to a robot on automatic response mode ......

She must know this is a one sided massacre, if not she is lying or incompetent.


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State Dept grilled by press corp offensive over Gaza

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Published on 31 Jul 2014


State Department spokeswoman Marie Harf condemned the deadly shelling of a
United Nations school in Gaza on Wednesday. She called for a "full and prompt"
investigation into the incident, but declined to immediately place the blame on
Israel.

Artillery shells hit the UN school crowded with refugees, while Israeli airstrikes hit a group of rescue
workers and onlookers who had rushed to the scene of a previous attack in a busy shopping area -
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Satellite footage: Gaza destruction before & after Israel's bombs


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Published on 31 Jul 2014


At least 15 Palestinians, including a journalist and two paramedics, were killed
when Israeli airstrikes hit a busy market place in Gaza. The shopping area was busy
because Israel's 4-hour humanitarian ceasefire was supposed to have been in force.
Israel's four week bombardment has claimed more than 1300 Palestinian lives, the
majority were civilians.

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The view from inside Gaza as Israel increases attacks | Channel 4 News

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Published on 29 Jul 2014


It has been the fiercest bombardment of this 3 week conflict: scores of Palestinians
killed as Israeli forces pounded targets across Gaza from the air, from land and
from sea. Paul Mason reports.

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[Sierra]

The Israeli spokes person ,sorry Washington spokes person trying to defend the indefencible !!!!

As David Icke says, they're all a bunch of Rothschild Zionists...

[Axman]

They wipe there A@# with America and the Americans seem to love it.

My 2 cents
The Axman

[seeker/reader]

They wipe there A@# with America and the Americans seem to love it.

My 2 cents
The Axman

This American does not love it.

[Rich]

Try and imagine that American People and the American Government are NOT the same beast...
Actually it's the same because the government is a reflection of the people, they are in power because they reflect the average consciousness.
It's not just the United States that allows this to happen thou.

[Axman]

Niether does this one.

They wipe there A@# with America and the Americans seem to love it.

My 2 cents
The Axman

This American does not love it.

[donk]

Try and imagine that American People and the American Government are NOT the same beast...
Actually it's the same because the government is a reflection of the people, they are in power because they reflect the average consciousness.
It's not just the United States that allows this to happen thou.

With all due respect, that's crap...so not true. A few bad apples, that's all. Most americans care about others, the psychopaths that have seized the control they thrive off do not reflect us all

[Rich]

Try and imagine that American People and the American Government are NOT the same beast...
Actually it's the same because the government is a reflection of the people, they are in power because they reflect the average consciousness.
It's not just the United States that allows this to happen thou.

With all due respect, that's crap...so not true. A few bad apples, that's all. Most americans care about others, the psychopaths that have seized the control they thrive off do not reflect us all
I said average consciousness not everyone...

[donk]

But it is because consciousness is completely manipulated, by a handful of individuals. By making abstract magic tricks like the concepts of “America” and “Israel”, the “above average” consciousnesses are marginalized. Generalizations fuel that.

I saw a graphic “95% of Israelis don’t support cease fire”. I don’t know anything about this “conflict”, but I do know it is generalizations such as yours and this one that prevent real information from shaping the “average consciousness”.

[mojo]

following in Donk's curteous way... and with all due respect, personally disagree with the OP...

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[meeradas]

Bolivia takes action.

https://news.yahoo.com/bolivia-declares-israel-terrorist-state-184920411.html

[syrwong]

No killing is collateral, there is only intentional killing. I hate to hear in the news that schools and hospitals were bombed because terrorist hid weaponry there. There is always an excuse for everything they do. Modern warfare has become massacres and is hypocritical to the extreme.

[Jake]

Try and imagine that American People and the American Government are NOT the same beast...
Actually it's the same because the government is a reflection of the people, they are in power because they reflect the average consciousness.
It's not just the United States that allows this to happen thou.

Of course, I disagree... It is US vs THEM,, when it comes to government and its people. Not just in America, mind you! :) Laws are no longer voted on,, they are imposed. It is no longer the spirit of the law,, but the LETTER of the law.. The divide between the common person, and their perspective governments is incomprehensible!!! There is a sleeping giant in America,, and it is NOT the Government OR the Military Industrial!!! I STRONGLY disagree that there is anything average about the monsters that have taken over our country... Or yours,, or THEIRS or ANY OTHER country on the planet. We are all fighting the same thing.. They have been lying about borders and governments for so long now that we BELIEVE it.... It is not about borders,, it is about the genocide of people, and the rising of a world power... They use borders AGAINST us!!! When I say 'WE THE PEOPLE',, i do not mean just Americans... This whole world needs to realize that BORDERS are a god damn sham!!

Protect Israeli Borders, Protect Ukrainian Borders,,,,, But in America.... What EFFIN Border??? Why isn't Netanyahoo considered Racist for his attitude regarding his borders???

NOT A SINGLE PERSON IN AMERICA WAS GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY TO VOTE ON THE RECENT MUNITIONS SUPPLIED TO ISRAEL!!!! NOT A SINGLE DAMN ONE!!!

This is not a reflection of the American People... IMHO. This government is NOT of the people.... I have declared it immoral to support my government for a long time now...

I am Cherokee.... I happen to think that borders are effin STUPID.... :):):) And i don't think that governments reflect their people,,, no way!!!

Jake.

[Rich]

But it is because consciousness is completely manipulated, by a handful of individuals. By making abstract magic tricks like the concepts of “America” and “Israel”, the “above average” consciousnesses are marginalized. Generalizations fuel that.

I saw a graphic “95% of Israelis don’t support cease fire”. I don’t know anything about this “conflict”, but I do know it is generalizations such as yours and this one that prevent real information from shaping the “average consciousness”.
I meant to say that everyone is responsible, not just a few people,
because no one has more power you may say they do but saying that is also your choice.
The governments are the people there is no difference.
And everyone can choose the reality they want.

[donk]

I can't. I was in a reality where my vote counted and the government was supposed to represent and serve the people (I guess you could say I "chose that")....cuz someone told me it was so. That never matched my experience. So recently I have chosen to live in a reality that actually seems to exist, where I practically find myself in.

Just cuz a lot of people choose to believe the reality someone else gave them, doesn't mean I can manipulate that reality more easily than those with the power to make choices like "should we declare a cease fire" or "should I fire this rocket" or "should I order this drone strike".

I am not responsible for genocide. I wish I could choose a reality where it was not taking place "in my name".

[wnlight]

People should be judged by their actions. If there was any uncertainty about the Zionists running Israel, than has evaporated. Israel is a terrorist nation. The people of the USA who are awake should see this and start telling anyone who will listen. Ordinary people can no longer control the government, but they can make a lot of noise. This noise just might wake up a lot more people in the USA.

I will do my part here, from Ecuador.

[Rich]

I can't. I was in a reality where my vote counted and the government was supposed to represent and serve the people (I guess you could say I "chose that")....cuz someone told me it was so.
Because we can only see the choices we make if we look more closely into our mind. I've made choices in my life that I fervently denied to have made or simply been oblivious to but in the end when I looked honestly I saw it was me and thereby was ready to change them. By saying that it is someone else doing it we say that we do not have the power to choose.

[donk]

So are people not being slaughtered in the reality you choose to exist in? Or is this that fun "they chose to live in the Gaza Strip" reality that new agers choose to believe occurs before their current incarnation?

[Rich]

And a war could not happen if the soldiers didn't go. If the wife's didn't support them, if the weapons makers didn't make the war machines, if the taxpayers didn't pay for it and so on... it takes the support of a lot of people.

[Rich]

We can only change the reality to the degree we take responsibility for it and by blaming someone else for everything it won't work.
It is not about blame, just about seeing what choices we make and changing them to what we prefer.

[phillipbbg]

Seems some future court time is on the horizon......

Geneva Convention -

II. ' Grave violations. '

Without prejudice to the provisions of the foregoing
Article, grave breaches of the Convention shall be
punished as crimes against the law of nations by the
tribunals of any of the High Contracting Parties or by any
international jurisdiction the competence of which has
been recognized by them.

Grave breaches shall include in
particular those which cause death, great human suffering
or serious injury to body or health, those which
constitute a grave denial of personal liberty or a
derogation from the dignity due to the person or involve
extensive destruction of property, also breaches which by
reason of their nature or persistence show a deliberate
disregard of this Convention.
Each High Contracting Party shall in conformity with
the foregoing Article enact suitable provisions for the
extradition of any person accused of a grave breach of
this Convention, whom the said High Contracting Party does
not bring before its own tribunals.

[bruno dante]

I know this is going to sound crass, but I'm just sick of hearing about Palestine and Israel. Let them keep fighting for a trillion years. I honestly could care less.

I've got enough problems in my life. I'm fighting my own battles every day. I can only deal with what's in front of me. I don't have any energy to give to this, but every time I turn on the tv or radio I'm forced to hear about it. It's like a really bad joke you're forced to listen to over and over. It's so tiring. The news rambles on endlessly about this conflict, and nothing ever changes. It's been going on for what...50+ years now? Wake me up when something changes.

I honestly can't understand all the attention it gets: the whole world is a mess...why pick at the parts?

[dianna]

The Palestinians’ Right to Self-Defense
Chris Hedges
http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/the_palestinians_right_to_self-defense_20140723

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If Israel insists, as the Bosnian Serbs did in Sarajevo, on using the weapons of industrial warfare against a helpless civilian population then that population has an inherent right to self-defense under Article 51 of the United Nations Charter. The international community will have to either act to immediately halt Israeli attacks and lift the blockade of Gaza or acknowledge the right of the Palestinians to use weapons to defend themselves.

No nation, including any in the Muslim world, appears willing to intervene to protect the Palestinians. No world body, including the United Nations, appears willing or able to pressure Israel through sanctions to conform to the norms of international law. And the longer we in the world community fail to act, the worse the spiral of violence will become.

Israel does not have the right to drop 1,000-pound iron fragmentation bombs on Gaza. It does not have the right to pound Gaza with heavy artillery and with shells lobbed from gunboats. It does not have the right to send in mechanized ground units or to target hospitals, schools and mosques, along with Gaza’s water and electrical systems. It does not have the right to displace over 100,000 people from their homes. The entire occupation, under which Israel has nearly complete control of the sea, the air and the borders of Gaza, is illegal.

Violence, even when employed in self-defense, is a curse. It empowers the ruthless and punishes the innocent. It leaves in its aftermath horrific emotional and physical scars. But, as I learned in Sarajevo during the 1990s Bosnian War, when forces bent on your annihilation attack you relentlessly, and when no one comes to your aid, you must aid yourself. When Sarajevo was being hit with 2,000 shells a day and under heavy sniper fire in the summer of 1995 no one among the suffering Bosnians spoke to me about wanting to mount nonviolent resistance. No one among them saw the U.N.-imposed arms embargo against the Bosnian government as rational, given the rain of sniper fire and the 90-millimeter tank rounds and 155-millimeter howitzer shells that were exploding day and night in the city. The Bosnians were reduced, like the Palestinians in Gaza, to smuggling in light weapons through clandestine tunnels. Their enemies, the Serbs—like the Israelis in the current conflict—were constantly trying to blow up tunnels. The Bosnian forces in Sarajevo, with their meager weapons, desperately attempted to hold the trench lines that circled the city. And it is much the same in Gaza. It was only repeated NATO airstrikes in the fall of 1995 that prevented the Bosnian-held areas from being overrun by advancing Serbian forces. The Palestinians cannot count on a similar intervention.
The number of dead in Gaza resulting from the Israeli assault has topped 650, and about 80 percent have been civilians. The number of wounded Palestinians is over 4,000 and a substantial fraction of these victims are children. At what point do the numbers of dead and wounded justify self-defense? 5,000? 10,000? 20,000? At what point do Palestinians have the elemental right to protect their families and their homes?

Article 51 does not answer these specific questions, but the International Court of Justice does in the case of Nicaragua v. United States. The court ruled in that case that a state must endure an armed attack before it can resort to self-defense. The definition of an armed attack, in addition to being “action by regular armed forces across an international border,” includes sending or sponsoring armed bands, mercenaries or irregulars that commit acts of force against another state. The court held that any state under attack must first request outside assistance before undertaking armed self-defense. According to U.N. Charter Article 51, a state’s right to self-defense ends when the Security Council meets the terms of the article by “tak[ing] the measures necessary to maintain international peace and security.”

The failure of the international community to respond has left the Palestinians with no choice. The United States, since Israel’s establishment in 1948, has vetoed in the U.N. Security Council more than 40 resolutions that sought to curb Israel’s lust for occupation and violence against the Palestinians. And it has ignored the few successful resolutions aimed at safeguarding Palestinian rights, such as Security Council Resolution 465, passed in 1980.

Resolution 465 stated that the “Fourth Geneva Convention relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War of 12 August 1949 is applicable to the Arab territories occupied by Israel since 1967, including Jerusalem.” The resolution went on to warn Israel that “all measures taken by Israel to change the physical character, demographic composition, institutional structure or status of the Palestinian and other Arab territories occupied since 1967, including Jerusalem, or any part thereof, have no legal validity and that Israel’s policy and practices of settling parts of its population and new immigrants in those territories constitute a flagrant violation of the Fourth Geneva Convention relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War and also constitute a serious obstruction to achieving a comprehensive, just and lasting peace in the Middle East.”

Israel, as an occupying power, is in direct violation of Article III of the Geneva Convention Relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War. This convention lays out the minimum standards for the protection of civilians in a conflict that is not international in scope. Article 3(1) states that those who take no active role in hostilities must be treated humanely, without discrimination, regardless of racial, social, religious or economic distinctions. The article prohibits certain acts commonly carried out against noncombatants in regions of armed conflict, including murder, mutilation, cruel treatment and torture. It prohibits the taking of hostages as well as sentences given without adequate due process of law. Article 3(2) mandates care for the sick and wounded.

Israel has not only violated the tenets of Article III but has amply fulfilled the conditions of an aggressor state as defined by Article 51. But for Israel, as for the United States, international law holds little importance. The U.S. ignored the verdict of the international court in Nicaragua v. United States and, along with Israel, does not accept the jurisdiction of the tribunal. It does not matter how many Palestinians are killed or wounded, how many Palestinian homes are demolished, how dire the poverty becomes in Gaza or the West Bank, how many years Gaza is under a blockade or how many settlements go up on Palestinian territory. Israel, with our protection, can act with impunity.

The unanimous U.S. Senate vote in support of the Israeli attacks on Gaza, the media’s slavish parroting of Israeli propaganda and the Obama administration’s mindless repetition of pro-Israeli clichés have turned us into cheerleaders for Israeli war crimes. We fund and abet these crimes with $3.1 billion a year in military aid to Israel. We are responsible for the slaughter. No one in the establishment, including our most liberal senator, Bernie Sanders, dares defy the Israel lobby. And since we refuse to act to make peace and justice possible we should not wonder why the Palestinians carry out armed resistance.

The Palestinians will reject, as long as possible, any cease-fire that does not include a lifting of the Israeli blockade of Gaza. They have lost hope that foreign governments will save them. They know their fate rests in their own hands. The revolt in Gaza is an act of solidarity with the world outside its walls. It is an attempt to assert in the face of overwhelming odds and barbaric conditions the humanity and agency of the Palestinian people. There is little in life that Palestinians can choose, but they can choose how to die. And many Palestinians, especially young men trapped in overcrowded hovels where they have no work and little dignity, will risk immediate death to defy the slow, humiliating death of occupation

I cannot blame them.

[Bassplayer1]

I don't like this silly, ill prepared woman's tone! Frightening. The sheer ignorance is breathtaking.

[Bassplayer1]

Actually, I was referring to the the silly woman in the video that started this thread!!! I'm concerned that it looks like I was criticising Dianna in the previous comment!!!

[Dennis Leahy]

Try and imagine that American People and the American Government are NOT the same beast...
Actually it's the same because the government is a reflection of the people, they are in power because they reflect the average consciousness.

This is not true. If you actually care to understand why this is not true, then read The Reset Button document. Start on page 18 and read a few pages if you don't want to read the whole thing.

The US government is an "either-or" selection by the people from a pool that is entirely pre-selected and vetted by the Elite.

The US government reflects the Elite, not the people. The people's consciousness is never tapped; we are never consulted; our demands and protest fall on deaf ears. Until and unless there is a full electoral transformation, US citizens are impotent onlookers, like the rest of the world.

Dennis

[ghostrider]

it is in a prophecy , the whole world turns on Israel ... maybe this is what the world needs to stop the eons of killing ... how much death is enough ???

[Abhaya]

I never thought I would say this. But if a country were too stand up and take military action to force Israel to stop this slaughter. I would feel impelled to sign up.

And I don't know if that's right or not, but it is an instinct I was surprised to feel.

[Rich]

If people would just take some responsibility for how they feel that would be enough, there would be no war. That's why the situation won't change until that happens.

[Octavusprime]

I find it ironic that a nation like Israel, whose people were involved in a systematic slaughter (holocaust), would turn around and discriminate, persecute, imprison and kill an entire race of people. Violence breeds violence.

Can the Israeli government not see that they are creating more radicals by broadly killing innocent people? The Palestinian children growing up in this war will only want revenge. A vicious cycle of death, hate and destruction.

[Arak]

It is just history repeating and I wonder if people will ever learn from their mistakes? Possibly no. We might be just one semi-intelligent, but way too agresssive, race to survive from ourselves. :/

[syrwong]

Israel is not mad. Mad implies being irrational. I think everything done by them is meticulous calculated. They are implicated in some evil works such as
1. 911. There have been talks of Israeli masterminding.
2. 311. The bulky security camera? The computer virus that might have compromised the safety system? The suspicious tsunami? I think some whistleblower said about this in Camelot.
3. The invasion of Gaza appears to be just the beginning of a great war and great massacres.
I cannot see any reason for these especially for (2), they must have an out of the worldly agenda.

[ktlight]

Israel is as insane as most of all other governments and was created by UK because of the holocaust (which only ever happened because of the insanity of world governments and religions). Thus, Israel is a situation forced on the Palestinians.

One remedy may come from the Israeli realisation that its behaviour is forcing the Palestinians into an Israeli created holocaust. One thing, therefore, would be to resist anti-semetic dogma since Israel has become that which they claim to hate. When this is realised, they will bow their heads in shame.

[Daozen]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/08/03/article-2183250-145EF361000005DC-491_964x588.jpg

[silverfish]

Does anyone else get the feeling that Israel is being played here ?
the expression" give them enough rope .... and they'll hang themselves " comes to mind
All the support from the American and british governments over the years ....
it all feels part of someones sick plan and we all know the real sh1ts never get there own hands dirty !!!

[panopticon]

Try and imagine that American People and the American Government are NOT the same beast...
Actually it's the same because the government is a reflection of the people, they are in power because they reflect the average consciousness.
It's not just the United States that allows this to happen thou.

The US, like Australia, is a representative democracy.

Please notice the qualifier. A representative democracy is not actually representative of its people. This is particularly the case in the US with its unique 2 party system.

A representative democracy creates the illusion of participation. The further you as an individual are from the decision making process, and the deliberations of "your" representative, the less your participation (and from this control and power) is. Unless you regularly meet with your representative, are heard by that person on specific issues that you can discuss with them and get carefully deliberated responses from them, you are not participating.

Representative democracy is a sham used by individuals and groups to gain currency, control and power.

In addition, as I've said a number of times, the individual is not the Nation-State. The Nation-State is a "created" entity, usually born in the blood of the innocent as a means of creating cohesion through that horrific control mechanism: "patriotism". The individual is a "real" entity that is controlled by the Nation-State through various mechanism ("legitimate" coercion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monopoly_on_violence), panopticism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panopticism), monetary policy etc).

Using the US system as an example. A number of people from the 2 parties vie for a position within the legislature. The winner is the representative of the area in which he or she ran for office and was elected by a majority of people.

This sounds fair doesn't it. Rule by majority. Nothing could be fairer. Only problem is that this is the rule of the lynch mob in which the needs of 1 person is outweighed by the wants of the majority... Of course this flaw is often said to be overcome through the separation of powers within the Nation-State (ie legislature, executive and judiciary) however there is a growing tendency for partisan appointments which limits the separation intended...

Add to this inherent flaw the problems of lobby groups financing prospective representatives in their election campaign and only asking "little favours" in return (remember that there are a number of studies on how only a small number of trans-national corporations control the majority of the worlds finances, so this isn't even a conspiracy theory)...

Then there's the all encompassing revolving door syndrome (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolving_door_(politics)) with afore mentioned lobby groups financed by corporations providing employment for those who "did the right thing" by them. Plus the creation within all Western democracies of a political class (that ridicules those who are not part of this class) which is where most of the people controlling the revolving doors (eg lobbyists) come from and there is definitely a problem.

To say that a government is reflective of the people it represents ignores the couple of quick examples I've given above. There are more but I think I've made my point.

If the argument is to be extended into the transmundane then there is an argument to be had that the Nation-State is representative of the consciousness of a population. Again, this ignores a number of inherent flaws in understanding the complexity of interactions proposed between created transmundanic entities and the mundane. To say that the Nation-State is reflective of the peoples consciousness ignores the influence within the transmundane of other created entities on the created entity "Nation-State".

Please, I don't care if this terminology annoys. I agree that there is nothing mundane about the 3d world of our sensory perception, its just a term, get over it.

Anyhoo, again to use the US as an example.

The created entity within the transmundane that I'll call "USofA" is influenced energetically through its close interaction with the created entities within the transmundane "Mexico" and "Canada". There is also major interactions that modify "USofA" from "China" via both layers "politic" and "monetary" and to a lesser extent the layer "culture". As I am referring to the transmundane the energetic entity "Coke" also has an influence as does almost anything you can think of that you and other non-created entities (*though there are some very interesting arguments around that I'll leave them for the moment) have given energy to over the years. Also remember that within the transmundane we may not necessarily be referring to linear temporal progression (though we can) so it all gets even more confusing and interwoven.

To simplify this transmundanic "spaghetti puzzle boat ride" down into a simplification of "they are in power because they reflect the average consciousness" really ignores the complexity of, and interaction between the various representations within our comprehension of the levels and layers of this dynamic system that is the hypothesised transmundane/mundane system.

Or at least so I'm told... :madgrin:

-- Pan

[donk]

As long as we keep thinking of "Israel" as an entity capable of making decisions, we are all being played.

What Emex I think is suggesting that the individuals tht make decisions on behalf of the magical creation/media generalization/abstract monster we call Israel need to take responsibility for the actions.

I don't think they ever will, that they're ultimately anti-human, something different from us, and are creating the exact reality they want to exist.

And as long as we (too many humans) believe their implanted ideas like "95% of Israelis disagree with cease fire" and "palestinanians are terrorists" then nothing is going to get better, it's not.

[KiwiElf]

26692

The EricsonReport website shows this image of an unusual explosion which allegedly hit Gaza recently, posing the question, "what kind of weapon does this?" Would like to know that myself! My initial thought was, particle beam weapon?. Ideas anyone?

http://www.ericsonreport.com/what-kind-of-weapon-does-this/

[Rich]

I was speaking from the POV that we give our believes their power and maybe others here speak from the POV that our believes have power over us.
What I am saying is that You give your believes power, it is not them that have power over you but it can seem and feel like they have power over you, because there is an underlying believe that says if I stop believing this I will lose something. But it is still us that say this is so, therefore our power.

The government has no power over people, the people have power over it because it is they that do the deeds. Take religion for example, it has no power over people but you may say it does because people are afraid of abandoning it because of built in believes that say that to abandon that believe will result in some form of disadvantage (like punishment), it's an illusion.
It is still their believe and therefore their choice and power.

Same with governments they cannot do anything, they are just a believe structure and if people follow it it means it is their consciousness.
Hence I said what happens in the world is reflective of the average consciousness.

[vilcabamba]

My jewish mom doesn't think Israel is doing anything but retaliating against Palistinean suicide bombers. Can you explain to me how do we know what Palistine is doing to Israel? How do we know that Palestinians are not killing Israelis and Israelis is retaliating?
I got into an argument with my mom about this as I'm NOT for the fighting in Gaza and believe that Isreal is being used by the Illuminati the same way Americans were used in Iraq to kill innocent for the Illuminati satanic sacrifice agenda. Americans and Isrealis are both guilty of being mind controlled to kill others in war and kill innocent. I'm against Israel killing innocent, I'm against Americans killing innocent Iraq people too. And I'm against Palistineans killing Isrealis. I'm against war period. And F- those Zionist bastards who are using the jews to hide behind so they can continue their satanic agenda and hide behind people who are brainwashed and controlled and who would live in peace if not for the illuminati bloodlines. I'm of Hebrew bloodline and I oppose Zionism.