What Obama Called His Wife Has Many People Talking

[michaelv]

Is there a perverted secret being kept from the American people? In the below video this is what is called an unconscious slip.Did Obama let the transvestite out of the bag so to speak?There have been numerous stories that Obama is gay and Michelle is a transvestite.It’s almost to preposterous to believe, that there is blasphemy going on right under our noses in the white house.I saw the photo’s pointing out Michelle’s many manly features.
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Source:
http://beforeitsnews.com/obama/2014/07/what-obama-called-his-wife-has-many-people-talking-2465586.html

[onawah]

This has already been discussed on a previous thread.

[michaelv]

i did check to see if it was posted via title..my bad..can mods please remove..thank you

[KiwiElf]

And I'll repeat what I said on that previous thread:

The "evidence" (that Michelle Obama could be a man) is pretty weak; there are plenty of women who possess an adam's apple & whose ring finger is longer than their index finger (and plenty of men whose ring finger is shorter - examine your own hands); men with narrow shoulders and wide hips (and vice versa - actress Ursula Andress emerging from the surf in an early James Bond movie is at least one I can think of); working out hard at a gym will also "masculinise" a women's physique. Crotch shot??? Yeah, they're all stills, not movies. Heard of Photoshop? Likewise, an effeminate man or masculine woman (tomboyish) doesn't necessarily make them gay.

Surely we have more important things to discuss? :rolleyes:

[wnlight]

I don't think that this posting is appropriate for Project Avalon. This slanders a lot of other people. Now call Obama and wife Reptilians and that's OK.

[michaelv]

guys it seems like you are targeting me?

[KiwiElf]

We have a transexual Mayor in this country, (Georgina Beyer, Mayor of Carterton), and you know what? No-one gives a damn because she's good at her job. She was voted in by that city - for quite a few terms. She is now a respected member of government. Transexuals can no more change what/who they are than a person can change their sexuality, skin colour or eye colour. (Not that it has anything to do with Michelle, who I doubt wields any great power in any case).

If we can't get along with each other (and our differences) what future do we have? The content of this video reeks of ill-informed, devisive prejudice in one form or another.

Let's get out of the dark ages into the 21st Century, shall we?. :)

[OMG]

guys it seems like you are targeting me?

I don't see why this thread should be removed from this forum as it's a conspiracy based topic. And no one should target you if they are. This isn't a topic against gays or transgenders if true, (unless you have religious issues with that), it would be about fraud, deceit and a host of serious and virtually incalculable problems from the highest office in our country.

[DeDukshyn]

guys it seems like you are targeting me?

I don't see why this thread should be removed from this forum as it's a conspiracy based topic. And no one should target you if they are. This isn't a topic against gays or transgenders if true, (unless you have religious issues with that), it would be about fraud, deceit and a host of serious and virtually incalculable problems from the highest office in our country.

Let's assume it's true - let's assume that there is some major cover up that Michelle is guy or a trans. Let's say some 6 month undercover operation headed and funded by people like us finally prove once and for all that Michelle is a transsexual. Now what? We can finally have "proof" that politicians are deceitful? RFLMFAO. What a huge distraction to keep the sheeple looking the other way while children are being bombed, etc.

I have to go cleanse myself for now spending time on a topic that has zero value to anyone but freaks of gossip, and homophobes.

No offence michaelv -- I am not targeting you, just this ridiculous topic that I am surprised keeps having interest among supposedly learned and intelligent people.

My 2 cents. And the last words from me on this topic, ever.

[Ellisa]

This idea would be laughable if it were not so spiteful. It is medieval, literally, and dates from medieval practices, however even the Vatican no longer checks the pope for presence of testicles. (Well not publicly anyway!) Read Kiwielf's comment. (and De Dushkyn) It doesn't matter-- and it's none of our business. However I must say that I think Michelle Obama is a very striking example of a physically and mentally strong, forceful woman. Such desirable qualities are not solely the preserve of men, which is what this pathetic controversy seems to suggest.

[OMG]

This topic (if found to be true) would be about fraud, and a host of other legal ramifications that would result in impeachment or many other legal things. Such as how did they get their children and who approved or covered that up, etc. The consequences of the Presidency would be similar to what would happen if Obama's birth certificate was found to be false or non-existent.

So although the words homosexual and transgender are involved it is NOT about homosexuals or transgenders. It's that simple, hypothetically speaking.

[Carmen]

What a lot of crap this is! This is not a worthy thread for Avalon!

[Matt P]

We have a transexual Mayor in this country, (Georgina Beyer, Mayor of Carterton), and you know what? No-one gives a damn because she's good at her job. She was voted in by that city - for quite a few terms. She is now a respected member of government. Transexuals can no more change what/who they are than a person can change their sexuality, skin colour or eye colour. (Not that it has anything to do with Michelle, who I doubt wields any great power in any case).

If we can't get along with each other (and our differences) what future do we have? The content of this video reeks of ill-informed, devisive prejudice in one form or another.

Let's get out of the dark ages into the 21st Century, shall we?. :)

Pardon my Libra nature but this is completely irrelevant. This has nothing to do with any bias towards transsexuals. This is about deception / telling the truth.
Frankly I'm ashamed by the negative responses to this. None of you has any idea if it's true or not. It could very well be. The Obamas, if that's who they really are, could be anybody. They are figureheads acting out in a show. The entire government is a fraud and they lie about OKC, 9/11, aliens, our true history and every other damn thing out there but, oh, they wouldn't lie about a homosexual and his transgender partner living a fake life. I don't have an opinion one way or the other....other than I find all such discussions fascinating and nothing much surprises me anymore (see my signature statement). I mean really, if you can handle the other discussions on Project Avalon, you should be mature enough to handle this one. Don't like it? Move on.

Matt

[lizfrench]

Is there a perverted secret being kept from the American people? In the below video this is what is called an unconscious slip.Did Obama let the transvestite out of the bag so to speak?There have been numerous stories that Obama is gay and Michelle is a transvestite.It’s almost to preposterous to believe, that there is blasphemy going on right under our noses in the white house.I saw the photo’s pointing out Michelle’s many manly features.
8cgk732vfGQ
Source:
http://beforeitsnews.com/obama/2014/07/what-obama-called-his-wife-has-many-people-talking-2465586.html
Did you actually say blasphemy, who are you? This sounds like controlled opposition.

[OMG]

Is there a perverted secret being kept from the American people? In the below video this is what is called an unconscious slip.Did Obama let the transvestite out of the bag so to speak?There have been numerous stories that Obama is gay and Michelle is a transvestite.It’s almost to preposterous to believe, that there is blasphemy going on right under our noses in the white house.I saw the photo’s pointing out Michelle’s many manly features.
8cgk732vfGQ
Source:
http://beforeitsnews.com/obama/2014/07/what-obama-called-his-wife-has-many-people-talking-2465586.html
Did you actually say blasphemy, who are you? This sounds like controlled opposition.

I think there is mention in the Bible about homosexuality and similar type life styles being blasphemous. So maybe that's the perspective the OP is coming from. He/She has a right to his/her opinion, same as you, regardless if it's a consensus view of reality or not. Not sure what "controlled opposition" means?

Peace everyone! :)

[wnlight]

Obama should be impeached for deceit, yes, and for not fulfilling his oath to uphold the US constitution, for giving trillions of dollars to the banksters, for ordering US citizens executed by drones without trial. The list of crimes goes on. Let's not have this witch hunt for transsexuals. That is beneath us.

[gripreaper]

http://weknowmemes.com/2012/04/20-funniest-abandon-thread-gifs/

[onawah]

One of the first things that occurred to me when this story first made the rounds, starting with Joan Rivers' comments, was that if it is true, then it is a political powder keg, and would have enormous ramifications if it was proven to be true and made public.
Talk about distractions in the news used to divert attention away from something the elite don't want us to focus on!
And what a weapon to hold over the first couple's heads by the higher up elites if they ever needed a really effective blackmail tool.
That's why this is clearly a valid subject for Avalon, as far as I'm concerned.

[sigma6]

If it is true. The fact that people have to pretend they are incapable of discerning whether Joan Rivers was "joking" (because she is a comedian you know...) and if she was just speaking "plainly" as an old lady who is too old to care that she is spreading information, that should be kept among the "we" whom she specifically referenced... is the very same reason I don't agree with the "it's ok for gays to go public, and in fact they should parade down the street" mentality.

This is a perfect example of how even the most basic simple human observations are now beyond most people's ability. There is a public consciousness where your IQ drops, because it is being dictated by someone who just told you how your supposed to interpret your own perception, because you're not an "expert". Common sense is not something you have to go to school to get. Opening your eyes and cleaning out your ears requires no special education. Telling the truth doesn't require a degree... Exercising logic is not a sacred art that is only allowed to be practiced by wealthy upper middle class snobs and above....

We are becoming worshippers of mediocrity. It's my opinion that Joan Rivers said what she said and meant it. She is an old woman. She looked like she was a little tired at the end of a long day, and just wanted to go home. The reporter was "playing her" ... it panned out... And she opened her mouth and let something slip out. For a moment she thought that the whole planet was living in the same world as her tiny bubble. Happens ALL the time. Whether it is accurate or not is not the point. She clearly believed it to be true and she stated it as such.

Given that. She also indicated that it was "understood" by many others... For a few moments she may have felt tired of maintaining this "us and them" bourgeois class mentality and she might have "felt" it was time the "world knew" Old people do that. The implications ARE huge. But justifying political correct gay propaganda which is just another mind control program is a joke.

And the self brain washing... People literally hypnotizing themselves "the news reporter says she was joking..." oh guess what ... I think... she was joking... yeah... that's it... she was joking... This is HOW WEAK MINDED people are becoming!!! This planet is ripe for an ANVIL the size of the MOON to drop on EVERYONES head... RIPE...

They are doing the same thing with programming us to accept death (of other people of course, because they "deserve it") First 911, then a war on terror, then pre-emptive strikes are acceptable, then policing other countries, then killing people who don't agree with all the previous bullsh**... IT WAS ALL PLANNED, STEP BY STEP, TOTALITARIAN TIPTOE... I SEE A SIMILAR PATTERN. THERE IS AN AGENDA w the Gay rights movement. (I don't hate on them by the way, but they are not exemplary citizens, just because they are more sophisticated and lie better)

NOT GOOD. And I can't be bothered to break down all the unlimited reasons why, but for starters, there is illogicality, rationalizations, falsehoods, propaganda.... it all points to one thing
AN AGENDA. They are not dumbing us down any more. We are at the next stage. I see people doing it to themselves all the time everywhere now...

The US is pathological because it doesn't know how to disagree, without feeling a compulsion that it must now sneak up behind you, beat your head in with a rock and steal your shoes and your smokes, because you "deserved it". Then go to his buddies and share the smokes (support the gays, war, etc) and show off his shiny new shoes (I'm God's gift...) to reinforce and justify the act and eventually completely suppress the guilt (killing is justified sometimes...) The buddies (weaker nations states) have got so many free cigs (printer press money... their own children's futures) when they finally figure out what they done. They don't want to stop it. Because one, they are a bunch of pushovers and two, they are addicted to the free smokes and the good stories...


Upate:
Good people died to cover up the trail that lead to the truth about his HOMOSEXUALITY... I say there is correlation between him being a homosexual and a lying bastard... not one on one cause and effect, but definite correlation... All gays I know have the perfect rationalization to lie, "to protect themselves"... I don't agree...

look up the definition of rationalization and then rationale.

[araucaria]

Some people appear to be seeing as other people’s phobias (in the sense of hate, e.g. homophobia) what are actually their own phobias (in the sense of fear, e.g. arachnophobia): their fear of dealing with something they find unsavoury. As if crossing the road were less homophobic than walking past someone and looking at them in the eye.

If a man wants to pass off as a woman, it is not politically correct to feel a little puzzled and wonder what else we are not being told. But calling him out as a reptilian, now that would be OK and even an important part of what we are doing here. Can somebody explain to me how this works?

Tell me, if I meet someone who is ‘vertically challenged’, should I look them in the eye, which amounts to recognizing their diminutiveness, or should I look straight over the top of their head as if they were of normal height? I know what I prefer when meeting a very tall person, but I gather I shouldn’t.

Political correctness is all about telling us how to think, and placing barriers in front of – or closets around – no-go areas where you would arrive at the truth. Murderous politicians? Hitler, Stalin, move along, nothing to see beyond this point. Genocidal activity? The Holocaust was the last word, nothing as bad can ever happen again. Obama’s a closet gay? That’s the worst he can do, but hey, you are not supposed to know about that.

In these parts, the truth stinks to high heaven. If you can’t stand the smell, get out of the sewer.

[jackovesk]

What a lot of crap this is! This is not a worthy thread for Avalon!

Perhaps you could explain to us what this little bump is...:confused:

http://i729.photobucket.com/albums/ww293/Reportanddeport/fpotus.jpg

Me thinks Michelle/Michael is a Hermaphrodite...:noidea:

http://www.netterimages.com/images/vpv/000/000/058/58174-0550x0475.jpg

[TigaHawk]

Is there a perverted secret being kept from the American people? In the below video this is what is called an unconscious slip.Did Obama let the transvestite out of the bag so to speak?There have been numerous stories that Obama is gay and Michelle is a transvestite.It’s almost to preposterous to believe, that there is blasphemy going on right under our noses in the white house.I saw the photo’s pointing out Michelle’s many manly features.
8cgk732vfGQ
Source:
http://beforeitsnews.com/obama/2014/07/what-obama-called-his-wife-has-many-people-talking-2465586.html
Did you actually say blasphemy, who are you? This sounds like controlled opposition.

I think there is mention in the Bible about homosexuality and similar type life styles being blasphemous. So maybe that's the perspective the OP is coming from. He/She has a right to his/her opinion, same as you, regardless if it's a consensus view of reality or not. Not sure what "controlled opposition" means?

Peace everyone! :)


Ever eaten Shrimp? Crab? Something from the sea that is not fish? Got a Tatoo? Worked on a Sunday? etc etc etc.... I do not get why it's ok to pick and choose what is relevant and what is not from that book. Either you believe it is the word of god and follow it - all of it - including said things which you personally think/feel is irrellivant because of X Y Z reason.

Similar to calling yourself a Tibetan Monk because you've read the books and believe in it but at the same time are working on wall st and acting like a playboy.


Or we could go hey - you know what better way to have absolute control over someone than holding a secret like that. Before it started leaking out you all probably disliked him for many reasons regardless - but now that it is coming out it probably makes people oh so much more bitter for no other reason than whom he loves.

Can we take a step further? Picture perhaps it's intentional? Could it spark an uproar or a revolution big enough to allow your army's to declare martial law and take over?


Whatever your feelings are on that topic - please do not get caught up in it and lose sight of the bigger picture. He is afteral, just a puppet. The ones pulling the strings are the ones you need to remain focused on. Puppet's are easily replaceable.

[araucaria]

He is afteral, just a puppet. The ones pulling the strings are the ones you need to remain focused on. Puppet's are easily replaceable.
I disagree. You are preaching to the choir. The people having the wool pulled over their eyes, perhaps on this, and in any case on many other matters, are those who see the most powerful man on earth. For them US presidents are not that easily replaceable in midterm. It would be invaluable if we could change the storyline on that level – for people to discover that the president has been economical with the truth, he is not the bona fide happily married family man and peacemaker that he is made out to be. That would be invaluable on two levels: it would mean that the puppet show would take an unexpected turn into unscripted territory, but on another level, this would happen because someone else got to pull his strings.

Just as it is not antisemitic to criticize a Jewish mass murderer on the grounds that he is a mass murderer – which is becoming plain to see even from the back of the class – it is not homophobic to denounce a closet gay on the grounds that he is being dishonest in a relatively small matter indicative of possible dishonesty in bigger matters. Let make a mountain of this molehill, or rather let’s pull this iceberg out of the water. If Obama can’t tell us about MH17 (and maybe he can’t), let him just tell us who Michael is. There has to be a simple explanation.

[Snookie]

"Just as it is not antisemitic to criticize a Jewish mass murderer on the grounds that he is a mass murderer"

Technically the vast majority of Jews are not Semitic at all, but are Askanasi. But otherwise I agree with your point. :-)

[RunningDeer]

http://weknowmemes.com/2012/04/20-funniest-abandon-thread-gifs/
The image doesn't come up because you've posted the main site rather than an image from it. I took the liberty of adding one for you. :wave:

20 Funniest Abandon Thread Gifs (http://weknowmemes.com/2012/04/20-funniest-abandon-thread-gifs/)


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[Akasha]

I'm exercising my right to be a libran in this scenario too. Whilst it's easy to jump on the "this is absurd" bandwagon as many clearly have done (and I sympathise, really!) there's still.......er......well......that lump!

TigaHawk's comment of:


Can we take a step further? Picture perhaps it's intentional? Could it spark an uproar or a revolution big enough to allow your army's to declare martial law and take over?


is something I have pondered myself with regard to this nonsense/explosive game changer. After all the US fundamentalist christian right would go into bigot meltdown mode (BMM) if such information was found to be true.

Assume nothing. Hold everything unknown, to a greater or lesser degree, in the possibility matrix.................or don't, but when there appears to be circumstantial evidence, i.e. that lump, do we just reject it because it exceeds our absurdity threshold?

[EC1000]

the only thing i see in this thread directing negativity towards homosexuality or transgenderism are the posts from the people saying that it is doing so and that this should be removed, isn't "avalon worthy" etc. This comes from those particular reader’s own perceptions which they transmute into something for them to become upset about and feed it back into the thread, derailing the original intent. The OPs intent as far as I can tell just to point out yet another lie/ layer of deceit. thats all. Not to get anybody's bee in a bonnet. As far as gender and sexuality goes, I think sly stone said it best when he said. "aaaaa-hhhhh...everyday peeeoplllllle, yeah" :)
jacovesk- lol you seem like a very daring individual considering the climate of this thread...lol

peace to you all. May it be the piece you like best
:)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JvkaUvB-ec

[lizfrench]

Is there a perverted secret being kept from the American people? In the below video this is what is called an unconscious slip.Did Obama let the transvestite out of the bag so to speak?There have been numerous stories that Obama is gay and Michelle is a transvestite.It’s almost to preposterous to believe, that there is blasphemy going on right under our noses in the white house.I saw the photo’s pointing out Michelle’s many manly features.
8cgk732vfGQ
Source:
http://beforeitsnews.com/obama/2014/07/what-obama-called-his-wife-has-many-people-talking-2465586.html
Did you actually say blasphemy, who are you? This sounds like controlled opposition.

I think there is mention in the Bible about homosexuality and similar type life styles being blasphemous. So maybe that's the perspective the OP is coming from. He/She has a right to his/her opinion, same as you, regardless if it's a consensus view of reality or not. Not sure what "controlled opposition" means?

Peace everyone! :)

Controlled opposition = Disinformation

[onawah]

When I click on the second page of this thread, I get a Malware alert, cautioning me not to view the page.
Is anyone else getting that?
I wonder if there is something on that page that someone doesn't want us to see.

[sigma6]

Point is, his being gay, is part of a whole connection of unsavoury facts, the tippy tip of a huge iceberg.

Quote by an ex US State Department Employee - William Blum....

"No matter how paranoid or conspiracy-minded you are, what the government is actually doing is worse than you imagine."

[ThePythonicCow]

Perhaps you could explain to us what this little bump is...:confused:
The website that jackovesk linked to for his Michelle Obama image was provoking a warning from Google's Chrome browser, as that website was on their list of malware sites. So I chose a different image and put it in jackovesk's post.

[Humble Janitor]

You know what? You'd have to be pretty goddamn low to believe **** like this. I'm not holding back. How dare you link to Sucha Fool and his nonsense?

Sucha Fool and his ilk should be ashamed for their homophobic, transphobic comments towards the President and First Lady. Of course, neither allegations are true. But, half-wit ignoramuses will run with this **** because they have to stoop that low.

Shame, shame, shame!

[Mac]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2601689/sA-FLOTUS-throwback-Michelle-Obama-shares-adorable-childhood-photo-honor-National-Siblings-Day.html.......2 mins it took me to find this,plus a few quotes from her brother that shows this is a lazy and puzzling train of thought..... guano thread.Just my opinion mind, if clutching at lumps is yer thing fire away.No offence intended just hard to take seriously.

[seeker/reader]

What a lot of crap this is! This is not a worthy thread for Avalon!

Perhaps you could explain to us what this little bump is...:confused:

http://i729.photobucket.com/albums/ww293/Reportanddeport/fpotus.jpg

That little bump is called PHOTOSHOP!!! It was added by some person of ill-intent to spread nasty rumors, which it has succeeded in doing.

Here are other pictures of her from the same event, her 2008 DNC speech. They show NO BUMP. Why? BECAUSE IN REALITY THERE IS NONE.

http://media.npr.org/programs/newsnotes/features/2008/08/michelle-obama-wide-1d98b8dab6bf5d4b60f9fb9aab1b9b667cbc6dd4-s6-c30.jpg

http://www.nsmbl.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/82548530_10-331x560.jpg

I agree with Carmen. This topic is a load of crap and it is not worthy of an Avalon thread.

[Chester]

Maybe she was wearing a butterfly in that first shot and then, after it had served its purpose, removed it... thus why it does not show in those later shots.

If it were a butterfly then the rumors need to be adjusted.

[seeker/reader]

Nothing here either. I wonder why? Because THERE IS NOTHING!

https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRbS62dmSG0y3OhiMdDl3jBcV-Kjxt3T8VDRm5YHYAhi5CXbwF61A

https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQOIlj4uRfQpthIezDuXHo4SVMkPBBkulLMPO09n-EoWkQctT3R7Q

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcStmST97hqdb0EG6SgBj7OdEb94vdxTnN6O-CR5mpa_ehb3W3Nf

https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR2qhWbEHlZE7nUF6G81u60kDIWQ02hHZBLrrsBjbB2bU0IS_euTw

These pictures were all taken while she was on stage for her speech. She was joined on-stage by her kids (THE KIDS SHE GAVE BIRTH TO) when her speech was over.

[lizfrench]

IMLAO, this thread is so contrived

[onawah]

Nothing here either. I wonder why? Because THERE IS NOTHING!
These pictures were all taken while she was on stage for her speech. She was joined on-stage by her kids
(THE KIDS SHE GAVE BIRTH TO) when her speech was over.
And you know this to be true? May we ask how?
So far, no one has provided any legit photos of Michelle pregnant.

[ThePythonicCow]

When I click on the second page of this thread, I get a Malware alert, cautioning me not to view the page.
Is anyone else getting that?


The website that jackovesk linked to for his Michelle Obama image was provoking a warning from Google's Chrome browser, as that website was on their list of malware sites. So I chose a different image and put it in jackovesk's post.
Yup - someone else got it too and reported it to me yesterday. I tracked it down to a link to an image from a site that Google doesn't trust, and put a different image link, to a similar image, in its place.

You should be able to view this page without any alert now.

[Robin]

Yeah, I'm going to put this simply:

Of course it does not matter what orientation somebody is. It is none of our business, so long as we are not being lied to or being harmed.

It IS a problem in this case (if it is true), because if our political leaders are lying about something and covering something up that is so petty as sexual/gender orientation (in the words of some Avalon members), then it makes one ponder what else they can be lying about...perhaps something bigger and more important?

One of the methods I use to get people thinking is by asking them if they believe that the government is 100% truthful to the public on every single issue. If the person says no, I bring up a simple example, such as 9/11. Given all of the evidence that simply shows that the story the government has told about 9/11 is not completely true -- even discounting alternative theories about inside jobs -- it is a HUGE deal. If the government does not tell the full real story of 9/11, you can sure as HELL bet they are lying about other things. So what other things are they lying about...?

[Robin]

Also, if you want more "evidence," it's all in the signature:

26700

The PTB are pedophilic psychopaths that worship the phallic symbol. I suggest researching more on Jordan Maxwell...

Barely anything that happens on this planet is by accident...

[pathaka]

Useless, speculative, totally preposterous drivel - which, even IF true, would mean NOTHING to the current problems of the world - are the reason the quality of forums like this is going down.

Could we please concentrate on what matters, and not yellow paper National Enquireresque drivel that is only and purely a distraction. Nothing more.

Yes, it can be emotionally titillating.

Yes, it can enable one to ad hominem attack one's favourite sock puppet.

But what does it help? Stop and think about it, before answering.

My 2 cents, no offence meant.

[araucaria]

Useless, speculative, totally preposterous drivel - which, even IF true, would mean NOTHING to the current problems of the world - are the reason the quality of forums like this is going down.

Could we please concentrate on what matters, and not yellow paper National Enquireresque drivel that is only and purely a distraction. Nothing more.

Yes, it can be emotionally titillating.

Yes, it can enable one to ad hominem attack one's favourite sock puppet.

But what does it help? Stop and think about it, before answering.

My 2 cents, no offence meant.
What really undermines the quality of a forum is posters delivering their two-cent rants with no substance. If you have nothing constructive to contribute, then you have got the wrong thread, and possibly the wrong forum. If you see no value to learning more about the person entrusted with reportedly the most powerful position on the planet and with his finger on the nuclear button, then you will have to do much better than that in explaining why. I would suggest on the contrary that presidential and other candidates should come in for psychological/psychiatric screening before they ever get to have their names on a ballot paper. This all comes a bit late now and is an example of how a politician becomes a puppet through being blackmailable.

Meanwhile, you might like to explain the difference, apart from in degree, between what is being discussed here and the David Icke story of Ted Heath, a British prime minister he accuses of sailing to Jersey to collect young boys to abuse and then throw away in the sea. Sure, it’s none of our business who he was or what he did in his free time – except that it made him another blackmailable puppet. This was an unbelievably ‘preposterous’ accusation for Icke to make, but it went unanswered and the preposterous truth about Jimmy Savile’s role is beginning to hit the mainstream press.

‘Could we please concentrate on what matters?’ What matters more in the short term than removing itchy fingers off nuclear buttons? While it is not an impeachable offence to be gay, lying about his civil status on its own should be enough to earn Obama an impeachment. This is only one tiny element but it adds to the mounting pile of evidence and for some it could be the element that changes their mind.

The fact that no impeachment is likely is beside the point. Governments are losing the popular support, as people join the dots between all the things they see NOT happening: no impeachments, no Hague trials of war criminals, no stopping of Israeli war crimes, no attempts to halt runaway banksterism and so on and so forth. Contrary to the common alternative belief that governments are entirely owned and run by their puppetmasters, they do need this popular support, the acceptance of docile ‘sheeple’, to do what they do and when they no longer have it they will be stopped. This is how it works and your opinion and mine are totally irrelevant.

[Humble Janitor]

When I click on the second page of this thread, I get a Malware alert, cautioning me not to view the page.
Is anyone else getting that?


The website that jackovesk linked to for his Michelle Obama image was provoking a warning from Google's Chrome browser, as that website was on their list of malware sites. So I chose a different image and put it in jackovesk's post.
Yup - someone else got it too and reported it to me yesterday. I tracked it down to a link to an image from a site that Google doesn't trust, and put a different image link, to a similar image, in its place.

You should be able to view this page without any alert now.

How about going a step further and deleting this ****?

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Yeah, I'm going to put this simply:

Of course it does not matter what orientation somebody is. It is none of our business, so long as we are not being lied to or being harmed.

It IS a problem in this case (if it is true), because if our political leaders are lying about something and covering something up that is so petty as sexual/gender orientation (in the words of some Avalon members), then it makes one ponder what else they can be lying about...perhaps something bigger and more important?

One of the methods I use to get people thinking is by asking them if they believe that the government is 100% truthful to the public on every single issue. If the person says no, I bring up a simple example, such as 9/11. Given all of the evidence that simply shows that the story the government has told about 9/11 is not completely true -- even discounting alternative theories about inside jobs -- it is a HUGE deal. If the government does not tell the full real story of 9/11, you can sure as HELL bet they are lying about other things. So what other things are they lying about...?

How would having a homosexual or transsexual president harm the American people?

It's an absolute load of rubbish and jackovesk is the typical anti-Obama poster, using hyperbole and hatred instead of facts to attack the man.

You don't like Obama? Cool story, bro. But, if you're going to attack a sitting President, attack his record instead of posting stupid drivel like this.

[Chester]

When I click on the second page of this thread, I get a Malware alert, cautioning me not to view the page.
Is anyone else getting that?


The website that jackovesk linked to for his Michelle Obama image was provoking a warning from Google's Chrome browser, as that website was on their list of malware sites. So I chose a different image and put it in jackovesk's post.
Yup - someone else got it too and reported it to me yesterday. I tracked it down to a link to an image from a site that Google doesn't trust, and put a different image link, to a similar image, in its place.

You should be able to view this page without any alert now.

How about going a step further and deleting this ****?

¤=[Post Update]=¤


Yeah, I'm going to put this simply:

Of course it does not matter what orientation somebody is. It is none of our business, so long as we are not being lied to or being harmed.

It IS a problem in this case (if it is true), because if our political leaders are lying about something and covering something up that is so petty as sexual/gender orientation (in the words of some Avalon members), then it makes one ponder what else they can be lying about...perhaps something bigger and more important?

One of the methods I use to get people thinking is by asking them if they believe that the government is 100% truthful to the public on every single issue. If the person says no, I bring up a simple example, such as 9/11. Given all of the evidence that simply shows that the story the government has told about 9/11 is not completely true -- even discounting alternative theories about inside jobs -- it is a HUGE deal. If the government does not tell the full real story of 9/11, you can sure as HELL bet they are lying about other things. So what other things are they lying about...?

How would having a homosexual or transsexual president harm the American people?

It's an absolute load of rubbish and jackovesk is the typical anti-Obama poster, using hyperbole and hatred instead of facts to attack the man.

You don't like Obama? Cool story, bro. But, if you're going to attack a sitting President, attack his record instead of posting stupid drivel like this.

My perception of jackovesk by reading his posts for the last few years is that he is not anti-"obummer."

He is anti the false matrix which appears to have most of the planet hypnotized. This fact is also one of the primary focuses of this forum, Humble...

I recommend you spend more time here getting up to speed. Only then will your comments begin to carry some weight. If Paul did anything here... he might consider if "trolling" is going on.

[Shezbeth]

IF 'Michelle' Obama IS in fact a transgender individual, it would speak volumes as to the absolute (and ridiculous IMO) level by which his candidacy and presidency is contrived. It would mean his two children are not his children, and that his wife is not a wife at all (I'm disinterested in the titles the medical establishment would apply, regardless of hormones etc.).

It is true that this issue is the tip of an over-sized megalith of an iceberg which one could address about Obama, but I disagree as to the invalidity of the information. Individuals who do not find the discussion pertinent or relevant are welcome to GTFO, but in the meantime there are those who are enjoying discussing, and others (myself included) who are enjoying the discussion.

[Daughter of Time]

So I got in touch with a gay male friend of mine and directed him to PA and this thread and asked for his opinion and feelings on the discussion. He was quite amused!

He declared that many in the gay community have, for years now, believed that Obama is gay and that Michelle is a she-male, and of course, they are thrilled at the prospect of this possibly being true.

I asked him if he finds some of the posts homophobic. He said "no". Although he was not pleased about the word "blasphemy" being used since he loves God and feels that God accepts him for what he is.

I asked him how he'd feel if he were to know beyond a shadow of a doubt that Obama is gay and Michelle is a she-male. He said he'd laugh uncontrollably and he'd probably die laughing at the joke played on America.

I asked how he'd feel if he were an American (he's Canadian and legally allowed to marry another man any time he wants) living in a state which does not allow gay marriages. He said he'd feel betrayed because the law is not the same for everyone and the only way, at times, to be oneself, is to become deceitful and betray others in order to get one's way.

I asked him any partying thoughts on the thread. He said it's not surprising that a subject like this is very polarizing. Sexual preference has always polarized and it probably always will.

He and I both agreed that the slip "Michael and I" is somewhat difficult to overlook.

[Maia Gabrial]

Obama should be impeached for deceit, yes, and for not fulfilling his oath to uphold the US constitution, for giving trillions of dollars to the banksters, for ordering US citizens executed by drones without trial. The list of crimes goes on. Let's not have this witch hunt for transsexuals. That is beneath us.

You forgot grand deception, wnlight. They both are liars from the very get go. The problem was, had they been up front with this country, he might not have been elected. (Ha, Ha, election is such a joke). I don't think most people are comfortable with transsexuals or that they understand them. But Michael and Barry can't be trusted to be honest, as we're seeing more and more of....

[Maia Gabrial]

Also, if you want more "evidence," it's all in the signature:

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The PTB are pedophilic psychopaths that worship the phallic symbol. I suggest researching more on Jordan Maxwell...

Barely anything that happens on this planet is by accident...

I wonder how long it took for him to get that phallic symbol right? Geez, who would have saw that, Samwisethebrave? And I just thought the man had lousy penmanship!

[Robin]

It is also very obvious to me that Obama's daughters were adopted. They look nothing like Barack nor Michael!!

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[araucaria]

To confirm what Daughter of Time reports, I would add that Jackovesk has nothing to do with the issue. It was originally aired by Cardillac, who is openly gay. When an open gay calls out a closet gay, it cannot be because he isn’t straight, it can only be because he isn’t straight with the truth.

These two-word expressions such as closet gay, Jewish bankster, self-defensive warmongering etc. are the language equivalents of false flags or human shields: you target one thing but are diverted towards the other. We need to be smarter than being taken in by that ploy. ‘Transgender’ (she-male) blends this dual category into a single notion, which is why it is so hard to grasp, even for people thoroughly versed in gender issues such as feminists. Many ordinary citizens who are not will be left bemused by this New Yorker article I found by following a link at stevequayle.com:

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2014/08/04/woman-2?src=mp

[Maia Gabrial]

It is also very obvious to me that Obama's daughters were adopted. They look nothing like Barack nor Michael!!

While I was in Hawaii, I met 5, that's 5 Hermaphrodites for the first time in my life. There was something very unique about their eyes. Michael definitely has that look....

Such a secret! You know the People would never have voted for Obama knowing that this was their secret. The truth keeps on exposing everything....

[Carmody]

The biggest problem of all, is the manipulation of a situation that is considered to be a problem - with some aspects of the public.... that situation being used as a lever on a prospective and then sitting president.

This is not unusual, in fact, it is the norm.

So much a norm, that a president cannot be 'made' these days, unless they are wholly compromised and controllable.

To break that control of the data, and present it to the public, to break the public mind's bubble of ignorance on these subjects.

That is the real part..... and anything else is a distraction.

Distasteful as it may be...the Machiavellian aspect is that 'the enemy of my enemy -is my friend'. This view, this idea.. and consideration may be required -in order to break this situation open.

Basically, any barb, any tactic that breaks this thing open and into the streets.

[Chester]

I am not gay (unless my theory is correct - that I am a lesbian trapped in a male body).

And though no one asked (nor cares) about my opinion - I just can't resist.

If two (or more) adults (I define adult as someone who has reached a level of reasonable awareness and is able to demonstrate personal responsibility) willingly wishes to participate with each other along the lines where they "commit" to each other to have a life-long relationship to the extent they even create a contract in this regard then I see absolutely nothing wrong with this. Their physical gender should have nothing to do with it at all whatsoever.

If they want to have sex willingly, I see absolutely nothing wrong with this.

If one or more desires for a gender change or for a man to become a she-male, I see absolutely nothing wrong with this.

That so many human beings have an issue about this speaks much about human beings. That folks would follow these urges into action (if these actions are outside the narrow bandwidth of societal acceptability), I applaud their moxy.

Having said all that - The world has developed some incredibly ridiculous (again... narrow) standards as to what is acceptable behavior. As Carmody points out, it is easy to control others if these others perform high profile roles and "you" (meaning nefarious PTB types) happen to have evidence that these others have behaved (and may still behave) outside these narrow guidelines. Threaten to release the information if your wishes are not enacted.

I think the lesson was learned after the Kennedy debacle although I still don't understand how Jimmy Carter slipped through. At least with Carter they were able to wait long enough to "vote" him out.

[Humble Janitor]

It is also very obvious to me that Obama's daughters were adopted. They look nothing like Barack nor Michael!!

26710

To add insult to injury, now you drag his daughters into this.

I'm disgusted at what this place has become. It's not much different from AboveTopSecret or GLP in terms of maddening counter-productivity.

Quite different from the Avalon that I remember.

[Robin]

It is also very obvious to me that Obama's daughters were adopted. They look nothing like Barack nor Michael!!

26710

To add insult to injury, now you drag his daughters into this.

I'm disgusted at what this place has become. It's not much different from AboveTopSecret or GLP in terms of maddening counter-productivity.

Quite different from the Avalon that I remember.

I'm not going to even waste my time to argue with you. Your closed-mindedness, rude and ignorant indignation, and stubborn foolishness isn't worth it. Avalon is is a place where people can explore all avenues of the Truth through subjectivity and objectivity, and if you don't feel like you belong, then either explore a different thread or take your attitude elsewhere.

[Omni]

It is also very obvious to me that Obama's daughters were adopted. They look nothing like Barack nor Michael!!

26710

To add insult to injury, now you drag his daughters into this.

I'm disgusted at what this place has become. It's not much different from AboveTopSecret or GLP in terms of maddening counter-productivity.

Quite different from the Avalon that I remember.

Judging avalon by one thread isn't reasonable IMHO.

[Jake]

It is also very obvious to me that Obama's daughters were adopted. They look nothing like Barack nor Michael!!

26710

To add insult to injury, now you drag his daughters into this.

I'm disgusted at what this place has become. It's not much different from AboveTopSecret or GLP in terms of maddening counter-productivity.

Quite different from the Avalon that I remember.

Ha! You are, of course, welcome to your opinion. I have a similar opinion to you regarding this subject matter... Avalon does not censor subject matter. As repulsive as it may seem, this is a valid discussion. From time to time, we will remove certain garbage from Avalon. It is a delicate decision, as censor is always a touchy subject. If I were to remove this thread, and all of the comments,,, I would be accused of censorship. All of this information is out there,, unfortunately,,,, it is worthy of discussion. You have every right to find another discussion.

Your comparison of Avalon to ATS or GLP made me laugh out loud!!! If you visit those forums,,, you KNOW that there is NO comparison...

Your disgust is your own!!

Cheers.
Jake.

[onawah]

It certainly is a distasteful subject, but most subjects are when it comes to conspiracy theory.
I can't help but wonder if the way the camps are divided has something to do with whether people think Obama is a white hat or not.
In case anyone missed it, the other thread on this subject was closed by Sierra because of the ugliness created by the members posting on it, not because of the distastefulness of the subject itself.
Also because someone had uncovered a photo of Michelle as a young girl.
The photo certainly looks genuine, but it still doesn't really prove that Michelle didn't at some point decide to take on a male identity, and then switch back to female again.
I googled photos of her and there were some of her where she appeared she may have been pregnant, but still, nothing conclusive.
With all the people now who have been alerted to this theory, I would have thought something more conclusive would have turned up by now, and perhaps eventually something will, but so far I think it doesn't quite wash.

[araucaria]

In principle, attempts to place a topic off limits – including in feelgood spiritual matters – are usually seen as a sign that there is something worth investigating, especially when they come from the PTB or the mainstream media. I would suggest that it is no different when they come from forum members themselves. Disgust is not an adequate response, but it is a very effective, and easily exploitable, inbuilt deterrent to investigation.

In practice, the investigation then still has to be carried out, and like any serious investigation, the actual findings, whatever they are, only come at the end. Which means that the serious investigator does not have expectations that can be disappointed, but will always be satisfied with correct deductions. Disgust is simply a preemptive inquiry in spades: you have no premises leading to conclusions, only unshakable givens.

[Jovian]

I am 'same-sex oriented' in this lifetime, though I certainly don't think that makes my opinion any more important on this issue that anyone else's. After participating on the rag sites like GLP for years, and allowing myself to be tossed around by my knee-jerk emotional reactions that environment promotes, I find it amazing and refreshing to see intelligent and articulate discussion here of any and all topics...even about the first lady possibly being a man. LOL.

I have not read any other PA threads about the topic, but several years ago I became fairly convinced of the truth of Obama's "secret gay life." The Larry Sinclair story seems sound; the dead church members who were his prior sexual partners; those who say they recall his presence in the Chicago bath house scene... On and on.

Preaching to the choir here, but I concur: This is a gifted narcissistic personality with a potent ability to mesmerize the masses with sugary, idealistic rhetoric. The sexuality issue is just one more deception in the long trail that was tidied up, and the pretty picture that was fabricated, by the dark machine that was intent on getting this Pied Piper soul into the position of POTUS. He of course has no real power, easily kept impotent by any one of the mountain of lies that could expose his massive fraudulence.

The gesture a year or two ago, of proclaiming equality for gay individuals as important, with his dramatic invoking of parallels to Abraham Lincoln... That struck me as quite bizarre and out-of-nowhere. I wondered if it wasn't a concession made to keep someone from divulging something about his 'secret gay life.'

This is the first I'm hearing of the Michelle-as-a-man idea. My intuition say no. I have concerns about jumping on conspiracy bandwagon ideas that have weaker and weaker 'evidence' as ultimately being counterproductive, but I will look at the evidence linked here. ...Who knows? Maybe she was 'Michael' in another life in which they knew each other, and he was unconsciously tapping into that.

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Edit: Just viewed Joan Rivers clip. Wow--that was weak. ...I watch her 'Fashion Police' show often. Joan being Joan. ...And the 'Michael' slip in the speech: according to info in some other links here, it was misprinted as such on the speech he was mindlessly reading from (I assume written by his speechwriter, as usual). Any other 'evidence' than this??



Though, I do understand that when you glean just how 'ballsy' (no pun intended. lol) just one of the incredible deceptions surrounding this man are, you wonder if any lie is too big to be put over seamlessly on the masses at this point. It seems not.

[DNA]

If it is true. The fact that people have to pretend they are incapable of discerning whether Joan Rivers was "joking" (because she is a comedian you know...) and if she was just speaking "plainly" as an old lady who is too old to care that she is spreading information, that should be kept among the "we" whom she specifically referenced... is the very same reason I don't agree with the "it's ok for gays to go public, and in fact they should parade down the street" mentality.

This is a perfect example of how even the most basic simple human observations are now beyond most people's ability. There is a public consciousness where your IQ drops, because it is being dictated by someone who just told you how your supposed to interpret your own perception, because you're not an "expert". Common sense is not something you have to go to school to get. Opening your eyes and cleaning out your ears requires no special education. Telling the truth doesn't require a degree... Exercising logic is not a sacred art that is only allowed to be practiced by wealthy upper middle class snobs and above....

We are becoming worshippers of mediocrity. It's my opinion that Joan Rivers said what she said and meant it. She is an old woman. She looked like she was a little tired at the end of a long day, and just wanted to go home. The reporter was "playing her" ... it panned out... And she opened her mouth and let something slip out. For a moment she thought that the whole planet was living in the same world as her tiny bubble. Happens ALL the time. Whether it is accurate or not is not the point. She clearly believed it to be true and she stated it as such.

Given that. She also indicated that it was "understood" by many others... For a few moments she may have felt tired of maintaining this "us and them" bourgeois class mentality and she might have "felt" it was time the "world knew" Old people do that. The implications ARE huge. But justifying political correct gay propaganda which is just another mind control program is a joke.

And the self brain washing... People literally hypnotizing themselves "the news reporter says she was joking..." oh guess what ... I think... she was joking... yeah... that's it... she was joking... This is HOW WEAK MINDED people are becoming!!! This planet is ripe for an ANVIL the size of the MOON to drop on EVERYONES head... RIPE...

They are doing the same thing with programming us to accept death (of other people of course, because they "deserve it") First 911, then a war on terror, then pre-emptive strikes are acceptable, then policing other countries, then killing people who don't agree with all the previous bullsh**... IT WAS ALL PLANNED, STEP BY STEP, TOTALITARIAN TIPTOE... I SEE A SIMILAR PATTERN. THERE IS AN AGENDA w the Gay rights movement. (I don't hate on them by the way, but they are not exemplary citizens, just because they are more sophisticated and lie better)

NOT GOOD. And I can't be bothered to break down all the unlimited reasons why, but for starters, there is illogicality, rationalizations, falsehoods, propaganda.... it all points to one thing
AN AGENDA. They are not dumbing us down any more. We are at the next stage. I see people doing it to themselves all the time everywhere now...

The US is pathological because it doesn't know how to disagree, without feeling a compulsion that it must now sneak up behind you, beat your head in with a rock and steal your shoes and your smokes, because you "deserved it". Then go to his buddies and share the smokes (support the gays, war, etc) and show off his shiny new shoes (I'm God's gift...) to reinforce and justify the act and eventually completely suppress the guilt (killing is justified sometimes...) The buddies (weaker nations states) have got so many free cigs (printer press money... their own children's futures) when they finally figure out what they done. They don't want to stop it. Because one, they are a bunch of pushovers and two, they are addicted to the free smokes and the good stories...


Upate:
Good people died to cover up the trail that lead to the truth about his HOMOSEXUALITY... I say there is correlation between him being a homosexual and a lying bastard... not one on one cause and effect, but definite correlation... All gays I know have the perfect rationalization to lie, "to protect themselves"... I don't agree...

look up the definition of rationalization and then rationale.

Holy freaking crap dude.

I can't believe you spent this much time and effort to comment on this thread.

First off I don't know anything about this whole thing. It has always seemed to absurd. And in so far as Obamma being owned due to something being held over his head, I always assumed it was the birth certificate.

Pause while I go watch the Joan Rivers thing ----------:blink:

Okay I'm back.

Wow, I know it's Joan Rivers and all, but you are kind of right. She didn't look like she was participating in a joke or anything.
She did in fact look like it was kind of a revealed truth kind of thing.

It is still going to take a hell of a lot more than an off hand remark from Joan Rivers to make me think Michelle Obamma is a dude.

For starters, I think the biggest deal would be their children.
How is anyone going to explain the children, and how in the hell could that have been kept secret.

I just can't see that.

[Jovian]

Also, if you want more "evidence," it's all in the signature:

26700

The PTB are pedophilic psychopaths that worship the phallic symbol. I suggest researching more on Jordan Maxwell...

Barely anything that happens on this planet is by accident...

Ha! That's remarkable...yet hysterical.

[DNA]

You know what? You'd have to be pretty goddamn low to believe **** like this. I'm not holding back. How dare you link to Sucha Fool and his nonsense?

Sucha Fool and his ilk should be ashamed for their homophobic, transphobic comments towards the President and First Lady. Of course, neither allegations are true. But, half-wit ignoramuses will run with this **** because they have to stoop that low.

Shame, shame, shame!

Dude, when I started reading this thread I thought the same damn thing, and seriously thought about saying something similiar.

Everything I know about this conspiracy I've learned in the last half hour, while reading this thread.

Again, I thought the same as yourself and thought of going self righteous rant style but instead I went ahead and read the thread and holy freaking crap. There is some compelling stuff on here.
Not the least of which is this.

Two members of Obama's church who were suspected gay lovers of Obamma killed execution style within six weeks of one another in November and December of 2007, right before Obama's campaign really took off. (http://gopthedailydose.com/2013/05/26/mom-of-murdered-obama-gay-lover-speaks-up/)


And this little blurb by Joan Rivers, I know I know she is a sarcastic evil woman, but given the information I just linked. It's pretty freaking crazy.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hoxlqhukLxw

[Flash]

When I click on the second page of this thread, I get a Malware alert, cautioning me not to view the page.
Is anyone else getting that?


The website that jackovesk linked to for his Michelle Obama image was provoking a warning from Google's Chrome browser, as that website was on their list of malware sites. So I chose a different image and put it in jackovesk's post.
Yup - someone else got it too and reported it to me yesterday. I tracked it down to a link to an image from a site that Google doesn't trust, and put a different image link, to a similar image, in its place.

You should be able to view this page without any alert now.

How about going a step further and deleting this ****?

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Yeah, I'm going to put this simply:

Of course it does not matter what orientation somebody is. It is none of our business, so long as we are not being lied to or being harmed.

It IS a problem in this case (if it is true), because if our political leaders are lying about something and covering something up that is so petty as sexual/gender orientation (in the words of some Avalon members), then it makes one ponder what else they can be lying about...perhaps something bigger and more important?

One of the methods I use to get people thinking is by asking them if they believe that the government is 100% truthful to the public on every single issue. If the person says no, I bring up a simple example, such as 9/11. Given all of the evidence that simply shows that the story the government has told about 9/11 is not completely true -- even discounting alternative theories about inside jobs -- it is a HUGE deal. If the government does not tell the full real story of 9/11, you can sure as HELL bet they are lying about other things. So what other things are they lying about...?

How would having a homosexual or transsexual president harm the American people?

It's an absolute load of rubbish and jackovesk is the typical anti-Obama poster, using hyperbole and hatred instead of facts to attack the man.

You don't like Obama? Cool story, bro. But, if you're going to attack a sitting President, attack his record instead of posting stupid drivel like this.

My perception of jackovesk by reading his posts for the last few years is that he is not anti-"obummer."

He is anti the false matrix which appears to have most of the planet hypnotized. This fact is also one of the primary focuses of this forum, Humble...

I recommend you spend more time here getting up to speed. Only then will your comments begin to carry some weight. If Paul did anything here... he might consider if "trolling" is going on.

This is entirely true about Jacovesk, he is anti matrix falsity, although he uses Obama extensively to make his point, and therefore, I thoroughly enjoy pulling his leg and teasing him on this, doing as if he was OBAMA's worst nightmare and completely nuts about him .....:p:rolleyes::p

[Cidersomerset]

The Obamas seem to be the ultimate MK Ultra power couple programmed to explode at anytime ?

Or just miss understood puppets of the Rothchild /Rockafella Bilderberg elite school of US Presidents
like the last half a dozen or so...LOL !!

We knew from the off that George Bush jnr was an idiot stooge to Chaney's straightman in their
Presidentual act. But the fresh new coloured man of the people was supposed to be different,
and he is it seems ??......



First the parentage and birth certificate of Barrak / Barry Soetoro has been fiercely contested.

http://cdn.motinetwork.net/politifake.org/image/political/1207/barry-soetoro-illegal-alien-obama-politics-1342229756.jpg

http://sfcitizen.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/birt-copy.jpg

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Then the strange speculation that Barry, michelle and even the children were clones of
Pharoah Ahkenaton and his family reborn....

http://img.webme.com/pic/g/gizliilimler/akhobam.jpg

Is Obama The Clone of Akhenaton? (Barackhenaten)


http://img.webme.com/pic/g/gizliilimler/barackhenaten.jpg

http://gizliilimler.tr.gg/Is-Obama-The-Clone-of-Akhenaten-f---k1-Barackhenaten-k2-.htm

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Michelle Obama a MAN? What the …

Monday 18th August 2014 at 09:49 By david-icke


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‘The following excerpt is the true biographical information of Michelle Obama, given to me on June 25,
2011 by a former member of the First Lady’s personal staff. He shall remain anonymous for the time
being to protect his life as well as the lives of his family.

“Michelle Obama, First Lady of the United States, was born Michael LaVaughn Robinson in Chicago,
Illinois on January 17th, 1964. He was the second son born to Fraser Robinson III, a well known
cocaine dealer and union thug for Crime Lord/Mayor Richard J. Daley, and Marian Shields Robinson,
a transient street prostitute who was diagnosed with the HIV virus in 1998. He was a popular high
school athlete and in 1982, he accepted a scholarship to play middle linebacker for the Oregon State Beavers.’

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[Robin]

The topic of the true subject of the sexuality and history of both Michelle and Barack Obama is an important one that I deem relevant to the Truth movement. It is great to see so many members take this seriously, and I think it is a topic that deserves more organization.

Would the Moderators please consider merging the following threads with this one:

WHO IS: "Michael LaVaughn Robinson"??? Comedian - Joan Rivers Knows!!! (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?72746-WHO-IS-Michael-LaVaughn-Robinson-Comedian-Joan-Rivers-Knows---)
Michelle Obama's System Malfunction (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?73580-Michelle-Obama-s-System-Malfunction)
Were Michelle Obama/Williams sisters born male? (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?70291-Were-Michelle-Obama-Williams-sisters-born-male)

Thanks!

[Jovian]

^ ^ I don't know that I agree that everyone here is taking it 'seriously.' ...Clearly some are not really interested in separating the wheat from the chaff as far as the evidence and are content coming from a position of lower-functioning ignorance with ad hominem attacks upon a woman who doesn't fit their sad 1950's two-dimensional June Cleaver household model of how a woman should appear and behave. I find it absurd. There is no evidence at this time for the transsexual angle, as far as I can see, presented here.

...And the video about ring finger size and shoulder width presented as 'evidence?!' I don't even know how to respond in finding this presented at this website. Sadder still that people here are giving any credence to such ideas. ...Why not get out your phrenology tools and measure her skull, as well? Michelle brings up a lot of fear in some people, apparently. Disappointing to find people at such an ignorant level here.


Unfortunately the sources for the vast majority of the "evidence" in any 'conspiracies' critical of Obama are a handful of small web sources that pass for conservative media, often with all their ignorant fears interjected into their 'research.' Their fears are easily exploitable by pranksters and by those seeking to muddy the waters and obfuscate and deflect from any real evidence against Obama by interjecting false 'evidence' into the mix.

[raregem]

We have a transexual Mayor in this country, (Georgina Beyer, Mayor of Carterton), and you know what? No-one gives a damn because she's good at her job. She was voted in by that city - for quite a few terms. She is now a respected member of government. Transexuals can no more change what/who they are than a person can change their sexuality, skin colour or eye colour. (Not that it has anything to do with Michelle, who I doubt wields any great power in any case).

If we can't get along with each other (and our differences) what future do we have? The content of this video reeks of ill-informed, devisive prejudice in one form or another.

Let's get out of the dark ages into the 21st Century, shall we?. :)

I think the true issue is : Americans have been LIED to regarding our President and his wife, Michelle. Have we not.?
I do not care about their sexuality or gender bending. I wanted the TRUTH of who represents me. Period. Do I have that???
Also, is my country enriched by his tenure as President, to date?

[raregem]

^ ^ I don't know that I agree that everyone here is taking it 'seriously.' ...Clearly some are not really interested in separating the wheat from the chaff as far as the evidence and are content coming from a position of lower-functioning ignorance with ad hominem attacks upon a woman who doesn't fit their sad 1950's two-dimensional June Cleaver household model of how a woman should appear and behave. I find it absurd. There is no evidence at this time for the transsexual angle, as far as I can see, presented here.

...And the video about ring finger size and shoulder width presented as 'evidence?!' I don't even know how to respond in finding this presented at this website. Sadder still that people here are giving any credence to such ideas. ...Why not get out your phrenology tools and measure her skull, as well? Michelle brings up a lot of fear in some people, apparently. Disappointing to find people at such an ignorant level here.


Unfortunately the sources for the vast majority of the "evidence" in any 'conspiracies' critical of Obama are a handful of small web sources that pass for conservative media, often with all their ignorant fears interjected into their 'research.' Their fears are easily exploitable by pranksters and by those seeking to muddy the waters and obfuscate and deflect from any real evidence against Obama by interjecting false 'evidence' into the mix.

I have been seeing more statements made regarding IGNORANCE of the posters and how in the world could we "Avalonians" be so dense and write the things we write. What is the sense in having this forum if people come back attacking the topic itself ? Forget that you also are attacking the poster, too. This topic is necessary (IMHHHO) to dissect. Yes, there will be condescension given. So what.? This is a viable topic considering all the other lies our system has brainwashed us into. Why should this topic be given free reign of complete ignoring not out of ignorance but b/c some poster defends our national leader.?

[araucaria]

We have a transexual Mayor in this country, (Georgina Beyer, Mayor of Carterton), and you know what? No-one gives a damn because she's good at her job. She was voted in by that city - for quite a few terms. She is now a respected member of government. Transexuals can no more change what/who they are than a person can change their sexuality, skin colour or eye colour. (Not that it has anything to do with Michelle, who I doubt wields any great power in any case).

If we can't get along with each other (and our differences) what future do we have? The content of this video reeks of ill-informed, devisive prejudice in one form or another.

Let's get out of the dark ages into the 21st Century, shall we?. :)

I think the true issue is : Americans have been LIED to regarding our President and his wife, Michelle. Have we not.?
I do not care about their sexuality or gender bending. I wanted the TRUTH of who represents me. Period. Do I have that???
Also, is my country enriched by his tenure as President, to date?
You are right, there are several issues here and gender-bending is not one of them. For me the first question to be answered is, is it reasonable to expect a candidate for public office to disclose these perfectly acceptable personal details? In the current climate, I would say yes. Others, like Kiwielf’s example, submit much more gracefully and honestly than the Obamas regarding their private issues. Obama would seem to have been more economical with the truth than with the country’s tax dollars, and that is a problem.

The gender issue merely reiterates the ambiguity of the role of first ladies in the first place. Here in France, we had a president who changed first ladies while on the job, then a president who was elected was unmarried and working in an unofficial capacity for the presidency, and who forfeited her ‘job’ along with her presidential consort when Hollande dumped her. None of this would have been relevant had there not been this ambiguity over a non-elected semi-public figure.

You also have someone like Simon Parkes, who disclosed his triple reptilian/mantid/human makeup to his electors, who promptly re-elected him. This vote of confidence has given him extra confidence in what he does both for his constituents and for others including Avalonians. You then have to compare this situation with the Obamas’ less than frankness, which inspires a good deal of distrust. When you are clearly hiding something or things, you are going to provoke speculation as to what these things are; and that speculation is going to be a mixture of truths and falsehoods. If Obama had said, ‘I know this is really none of your business, but we are not the ordinary mom-and-pop-and-two-kids outfit you might think we are. But I can do the job.’, then would the American people have elected him? Probably not, which may have motivated the non-disclosure and got him in on false pretences. However they may just possibly have accepted him for his courage, as Simon was; but that was something Obama’s handlers could not allow to happen.

[RunningDeer]

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My guess it’s photoshopped. See the difference in coloration at neck line? Also, who ever added the arms didn’t remove one last layer of pixel. There’s also missing detail on seam line around the arm area. That’s a dead give away that it was smudged and blurred to merge. The arm has a subtle pink undertone and the face does not. (easier to see when it's blown up) The upper shoulder is smudged and blurred to hide the difference in tones and added parts. And the irregular shading implies parts were added.


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[Robin]

^^^I think that this photo was supposed to be satire. It was supposed to be an obvious photoshop to add humor to the issue that many people have fallen for the lie without questioning it.

[DNA]

I think the true issue is : Americans have been LIED to regarding our President and his wife, Michelle. Have we not.?
I do not care about their sexuality or gender bending. I wanted the TRUTH of who represents me. Period. Do I have that???
Also, is my country enriched by his tenure as President, to date?

I agree with you. I also want to know if my president is responsible for killing people who would hurt his credibility and or chances in becoming president in the first place as is stated by one of the mothers of the three dead homosexual men from Obamma's church who all died with seven weeks of eachother in the months of November and December 2007. Also of note two of those men who died from Obamma's church were killed execution style.

[lizfrench]

Okay now this IS unusual...has anyone seen the video of Joan Rivers saying Obama is gay and Michelle is a "tranny" as she is walking in to the clinic where she ended up having cardiac arrest? It was posted somewhere on Avalon today, sorry can't remember which thread. Admittedly I am rethinking this whole scenario.

[araucaria]

Okay now this IS unusual...has anyone seen the video of Joan Rivers saying Obama is gay and Michelle is a "tranny" as she is walking in to the clinic where she ended up having cardiac arrest? It was posted somewhere on Avalon today, sorry can't remember which thread. Admittedly I am rethinking this whole scenario.
Several places, e.g. post #64 on this thread!

[Jovian]

^^^I think that this photo was supposed to be satire. It was supposed to be an obvious photoshop to add humor to the issue that many people have fallen for the lie without questioning it.

Of course it's Photoshopped. I'm honestly baffled, amused, and yes--perturbed, that this fact is being debated. ...It seems rather clear to me that this "humor" is far from some witty satire and is instead par for the course for the ignorant type in the conservative crowd that is absolutely scared of this first lady who doesn't fit their narrow image of woman, so they make juvenile graphics--and vile commentary--to share with others of their ilk in order to feel safe in the righteousness of their small worldview. (Hmm--younger souls that I wish I had more patience for. ...I'll have to look at that.:p)

You folks perhaps haven't read the types of conservative sites that have done the bulk of "exposing" the Obama conspiracies--the sound ones, as well as the dubious claims. The partisan commentary at such sites appeals to the extreme fears and emotions of this subset. The venom-spewing responses by readers of those sites clearly show the enmity with which a large bulk of people view this president and what he represents to them. The types who created the above image also make caricatures involving monkeys and bananas when referring to the president. ...Monkeys and bananas! Ways of thinking that reasonable people assume had died out fifty years ago are still very present in parts of this country.

Certainly, I think Obama is a complete fraud. There is a long list of reasonable evidence for such. But I think most of such "humor" (including Joan Rivers' joke), as well as this witch hunt for a "transsexual first lady," is rather reflective of the racist and sexist fears that still exist in this country and would be present regardless of the integrity of the current presidency.

And as always, I will add that intuition is also guiding me--the transsexual angle is not pinging for me. :suspicious: