If you could talk to those who covertly have "free energy" tech...

[Dennis Leahy]

If you could talk to those who covertly have "free energy" technology, what would you say to them?

Assumptions:
1.) Free energy technology is not only real, it is advanced and can easily provide all the non-polluting power necessary for all human life activities.

2.) Those who have and control this technology will not easily be swayed. They are greed-driven and power-driven (likely protecting the fossil fuels industries, from which they derive great wealth and power), and may even be sociopathic.

3.) Assume that they will actually read this thread. This is not an exercise. This is live.

{hint: if you can not make headway using emotions, perhaps you can - using logic.}

OK?

Go.

-Dennis

{edit, to add} ...please just use this thread as literally a live monologue to the people that have this technology and are keeping it covert.

[ska]

I'll just drop this here ;)

http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/187346-nasa-tests-impossible-no-fuel-quantum-space-engine-and-it-actually-works

Paper by NASA published few days ago:
http://ntrs.nasa.gov/search.jsp?R=20140006052

[gardener2]

These people are narcissistic they truly think they are always right, my answer to them is they will eventually FAIL. They will laugh at this however, this is called THE FAILURE. It says. If you want to take control of the world and run it, I can see that that they will not succeed. The world is a spiritual being, which cannot be improved
. To try to manipulate an control it is to create disorder. (that's what they have being doing for centuries ) and now they think they may try to stabilize after they after they do their worse. and to try to stabilize the mother earth in doing that they WILL DESTROY THIS BEAUTFUL PLANET. but the checkmate is they will destroy even themselves.But due to their greed and their dilussional opinions of themselves their psychopathic brains still imagine they can do anything just as they have done so many times in the past. they are void of any feeling and soul. This time is so dangerous for all of us, we Must use all our energy in a last attempt to save humanity. More important to save the mother earth.We need a comig together globally, but it must be done with love. Thank you for your time.

[Snoweagle]

Hers a very interesting video of Bill Nichols, an atmospheric scientist, on his views presented at the Electric Universe Conference 2014. In my opinion, this is the testimony of a "whistleblower" on the inside. Listen carefully to the work he was/is involved and his summary. 19mins
jqIo4WJJL90
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqIo4WJJL90

The point I wish to make here is science has become so ingrained with focus on specifics that main stream scientists, especially on larger spend projects miss the bigger picture or peer silenced. Furthermore, by over engineering complexities within an applied concept, something of greater value is missed or ignored.
message: do not become bogged down in main stream science as taught - look at the bigger picture

Most important, distribute the idea, concept or model(s) as a priority. Whether successful or otherwise, it engages participation of thought.

[Snoweagle]

I'll just drop this here ;)

http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/187346-nasa-tests-impossible-no-fuel-quantum-space-engine-and-it-actually-works

Paper by NASA published few days ago:
http://ntrs.nasa.gov/search.jsp?R=20140006052
Anomalous Thrust Production from an RF Test Device Measured on a Low-Thrust Torsion Pendulum
. . . This paper will not address the physics of the quantum vacuum plasma thruster, but instead will describe the test integration, test operations, and the results obtained from the test campaign. Approximately 30-50 micro-Newtons of thrust were recorded from an electric propulsion test article consisting primarily of a radio frequency (RF) resonant cavity excited at approximately 935 megahertz. Testing was performed on a low-thrust torsion pendulum that is capable of detecting force at a single-digit micronewton level, within a stainless steel vacuum chamber with the door closed but at ambient atmospheric pressure. . .

This is the very point that Bill Nichols alludes to at the Electric Universe Conference. Don't try to prove the concept with a metric that is flawed. When it works do the proofs then, you have something to measure.

[Snoweagle]

These people are narcissistic they truly think they are always right, my answer to them is they will eventually FAIL. They will laugh at this however, this is called THE FAILURE. It says. If you want to take control of the world and run it, I can see that that they will not succeed. The world is a spiritual being, which cannot be improved
. To try to manipulate an control it is to create disorder. (that's what they have being doing for centuries ) and now they think they may try to stabilize after they after they do their worse. and to try to stabilize the mother earth in doing that they WILL DESTROY THIS BEAUTFUL PLANET. but the checkmate is they will destroy even themselves.
But due to their greed and their dilussional opinions of themselves their psychopathic brains still imagine they can do anything just as they have done so many times in the past. they are void of any feeling and soul. This time is so dangerous for all of us, we Must use all our energy in a last attempt to save humanity. More important to save the mother earth.We need a comig together globally, but it must be done with love. Thank you for your time.

Absolutely, couldn't agree more.
Irony is, most of those working with these technologies officially, hardly know anything of the whole project. As an indicator I suspect only the top one or two percent actually know all the secrets to the energy of the cosmos and how to free it for daily applications. All these devices and harmful products that are being fabricated are being handled by "conventionally taught" individuals who are all "compartmentalised" on a "need to know" basis. Therein lies the restriction.

Very few operators understand the full implications of the equipment they are using either and that is the scary bit. When Police can smack someone down with a 50kV Taser gleefully, it somewhat discourages disclosure of free energy.

[TargeT]

Hers a very interesting video of Bill Nichols, an atmospheric scientist, on his views presented at the Electric Universe Conference 2014. In my opinion, this is the testimony of a "whistleblower" on the inside. Listen carefully to the work he was/is involved and his summary. 19mins
jqIo4WJJL90
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqIo4WJJL90

The point I wish to make here is science has become so ingrained with focus on specifics that main stream scientists, especially on larger spend projects miss the bigger picture or peer silenced. Furthermore, by over engineering complexities within an applied concept, something of greater value is missed or ignored.
message: do not become bogged down in main stream science as taught - look at the bigger picture

Most important, distribute the idea, concept or model(s) as a priority. Whether successful or otherwise, it engages participation of thought.

the speaker in this video builds an amazing case for the "electric universe" all based on earth phenomenon, very interesting with implications that anyone interested in zero point energy should definitely consider.


As to the thread....

I'm not sure I would want to talk to someone like that, their selfishness has impacted so many; when this breaks loose (and it will...) I can see there being a lot of well deserved anger directed to any such individuals.

[Dennis Leahy]

Hang on a minute, there's several threads on Avalon where we can talk about the specifics of specific free energy devices, etc., (and Wade Frazier's incredible thread about his vision of how to at least have a shot at getting free energy released.)

But, please use this thread as literally a live monologue to the people that have this technology and are keeping it covert. Maybe you don't know what to say, maybe you think it is not worth trying. I can understand that, and then you probably won't post anything. Please allow this thread to be for people that want to make that attempt to talk directly to those people.

Thanks,

Dennis

[Mac]

Ok working within the assumptions,the logical part of my brain says the question I would ask is WHY!
Then I would know how to proceed next.If it was about greed or some psychosis then you dismantle them quite easily and out them/it.
If it is some other reason like say, that they think we couldn't handle/deal with it for whatever reason, then I would suggest they have a little more faith in the human race.
So to answer your "what would you say to them" WHY ? is what I would ask.
rgrds

[eaglespirit]

What are you AFRAID of?

[Joe Sustaire]

You have the opportunity to change the world!
To be remembered forever, do it.

A bit simplistic perhaps, but whoever is in position to clamp down on this info probably doesn't need any more money. But historical immortality, maybe?

[Maunagarjana]

I would accuse them of holding up the evolution of humanity for their own personal gain. If they agree and say, "Yes, and what are you gonna do about it?" No conversation is possible. But if they roll out a bunch of rationalizations about why it must be so "for the greater good", I would try to talk some sense into them. For instance, if they try to tell me that this sequestering of energy technology - technology that would surely transform life on Earth completely - would be too dangerous to release to the masses, I would suggest maybe they could consult a variety of ETs to get advice for gradually introducing it to the public in a safe way. We don't need to figure this all out on our own. But even if we did, we have some great minds on this planet that could probably come up with a way to do it properly and safely, but they can't turn their minds to solving a problem they don't know exists.

[gripreaper]

I really don't understand the context Dennis. Talk to murderous blood sucking paedophilic narcissistic grandiose psychopaths, as if they would actually listen and take into consideration anything an empath has to say?

OK, I'll try.

Hey, you guys who own everything and run the world, who have spent millions of years fulfilling an agenda and have covertly hidden the true history of planet earth from the people, who have set up religions which subjugate and play on the negative baser emotions of the viscera, who use any and all inhumane means to keep earth as a slave planet for your own hedonistic self aggrandizement, who "claim" some level of disclosure and divine right to do so... What in the hell are you doing?

You came here from space, took our women, hybridized us, fed us full of lies, and you want to now get rid of us so you can develop and release some new chimeric hybrid which does not have a soul, like you? One that will do your bidding without you always having to euthanize millions of us to get us back in line because we start to wake up and recognize our spiritual soul essence and our true abilities?

Are you pissed because you have no soul, so you want to stamp that out of the empaths? I "thought" you CHOSE to be carnal, severed from your soul and your heart, and CHOSE to remain in the carnal realms and forsake the universal energy? Is that not why you have to vampire energy from everyone else?

Afterall, isn't energy just energy? You really think you can destroy the very universal energy which is in all things, and set up your vampiristic energy sucking system for your own self aggrandizement, and we would never notice because we are just too stupid, because you made sure we stayed stupid, or you would just kill us? What about the immortal soul? How you going to kill that?

So, you "claim" you needed to keep the free energy for yourself because you needed it for your space craft, so you could "Get out of Dodge" and colonize other planet outposts, to what, protect mankind from evil alien forces? To preserve the genome? Is that why you built the Svalbard seed vault? Do you really want us to believe you care about us at all?

Or is your hoarding of energy just to make sure that you get to keep this planet as your own personal playground, with just a handful of obedient slaves to serve you, while you go gallivanting around the cosmos in your craft looking for more fun things to do? You really "think" the galactic community is going to let a bunch of warmongering psychopaths wander around and screw up other planets?

Why do you treat us with such disdain? Afterall, it was you who screwed up and hybridized us with the full ability to reproduce unrestrained and to give us the full capacity of the brain to fully think logically between the right and left hemispheres. What did you think would happen? You mean to tell us that you were clueless of the inevitable outcome?

I'm not buying it. So, it's consciousness against slavery and euthanasia. That's our only final choice? I know which side of the table I'm laying my cards. I'm sure you do to.

Let the games continue.

[Redstar Kachina]

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[wnlight]

To me, this is the height of frustration. They will do what they will do until we stop them. Oh yes. Sorry Dennis. Message now directed to them.

Message to the "murderous blood sucking paedophilic narcissistic grandiose psychopaths:"
As you can see, some Earth humans are displaying their frustration at your apparent success in being such hideous criminals without retribution. (I am presuming that you are not Earth humans.) I don't expect you to change because you, like us, will continue to repeat the patterns that have made you successful in the past. Only we can stop you, and only time will tell who prevails. Why do I bother write this? Self realisation and redemption can only come from within. Should you truly change, I would be willing to talk. Most Earth humans will always embrace true, heartfelt requests for forgiveness after sincere contrition of guilt. But they will be looking for and expecting trickery. End of Message.

[Dennis Leahy]

My thoughts, directed to those that have free energy technology, about releasing free energy technology:



You actually lose nothing. Wealth and power in practical terms translates into being able to do whatever you want, whenever you want. This would not only still be true for you but you'd also...
...gain. You'd gain functionality and freedom far beyond what you have now. Even a trillionaire cannot do many of the things that are possible to do with free energy and anti-gravity technology. Sure, you could tap into a few of those functions occasionally, surreptitiously, but transparent/open source free energy means there would be no need to hide. You'd gain a level of freedom that is impossible now.
Health & Longevity: With free-energy-powered "replicators" and the ability to transmute materials, there is no "thing" you cannot have, so the attributes of life that remain elusive and even finite (health and longevity) would probably become most important to you. Yes, you currently have some keen scientists, researchers, and doctors under your wing, but you know that a pool of all of the minds of humanity will certainly produce geniuses and breakthroughs that are unimaginable today. You directly benefit from every breakthrough in health and longevity that all of humanity can come up with - once the 7 billion are released from the day-to-day survival grind and start working on what they know is really important and what they love.
Arts & music: Again, with humanity released from drudgery, the arts and music will flourish like never before in the history of the world. You directly benefit by being surrounded by the outcome of a new ultra-Renaissance. The million or two people slated to dive into underground cities might produce a few stupendous musical and artistic works, but multiply the odds (and the number of minds) by three to four thousand (by including all of humanity) and you'll be amazed by what is created.
Sciences and scientific advances: As with the arts, if all of humanity joins the pool of talent, the odds that you will experience scientific and technological achievements beyond anyone's current imagination are multiplied by thousands.
The Blue Gem/Gaia/Nature: Free energy allows humanity to cease ecologically destructive practices, and to clean up the mess. Like most of us that would be uncomfortable walking through a landfill or swimming in a toxic cesspool, you are currently restricted to a very small portion of the planet that is clean. (Even then, the air outdoors still includes toxins - it is inevitable, no matter how pristine your estate is.) In a way, you have sort of imprisoned yourself to not be able to visit much of the planet. Free energy ends that paradigm, allows us to (enthusiastically) clean up the planet, and allow life to flourish. 7 billion hands can clean-up the planet in your lifetime. As you know, all of life is an interconnected web. Free energy will first slow then (virtually) halt species extinction, and allow the web of life to renew its interconnections. So far, it appears we can still do this, still live on the most amazing and species-diverse planet within light-years. We could be a single extinct species away from "too late" (for example, the most common plankton, producing most of Earth's oxygen), and you don't want that to happen any more than we do. Life in an underground bunker or even a terraformed planet cannot possibly compete with the spectacular vistas, terrain, biomes, and species diversity on Earth - formed and transformed by evolution over billions of years. "Survival" does not equate with "thriving."
The weight lifted, the torch passed: (especially for the "white hats" among you) Do you feel that in some significant ways, your role on Earth is misunderstood by most of humanity, and do you feel that you have made critical contributions to keep humanity moving forward? Then pass the torch and allow yourself to relax. Free energy takes the burden off of you, and allows all of humanity to share in the planetary responsibility. Shared among billions of people, the burden is light. You probably cannot even imagine how good it will feel to lose this burden - and you can spend your time any way that you want.
Recognition/kudos/maybe even become a name that will be remembered and revered throughout history. These are the men that brought free energy to the world: [_____________], [_____________], [_____________], [_____________], [_____________] <---- (fill-in your names here. Monuments with your names will be - willingly- erected, and you'll be celebrated in song and in art works.)

Actually, there are things that you'll lose: the burden of feeling that you need to be the doctor and architect - always on call - for the planet, the burden of stealth and secrecy, living among the toxic squalor of the old paradigm, and living among billions of people that are suffering, surviving, sick, unable to blossom and share their gifts and love with the world. Maybe sociopathy is a learned behavior; maybe after being bathed in love by a loving humanity you'll lose the chastity belt on your emotions - and maybe that will be the most treasured attribute of life.

I invite you to find out: Release free energy.

Dennis

[Daozen]

OK. It's good that you're reaching out to them Dennis. But that struggle could take years.

I'm focused on intermediate tech like Maglev VAWTS.

I can invest energy in the QUEST for free energy, or I can work out how to make homemade MG VAWTS cheaper, easier to make, and standardised.

We need night schools for this stuff.

Been reading some very inspiring materials recently.

[grannyfranny100]

The inventors, scientists and engineers are in an easy to manipulation position. To acquire their level of education, one must have a tremendously focused mind. They must be extremely passionate about research. As a career, they can go into academia or do leading edge research with the military industrial complex. Unfortunately, they will be handed a portion of a larger project. It must be frustrating to have one's passionate inquiry limited by just a few who know the entire scope of the project.

The lack of transparency serves these folks no better than it does us. It stifles their creativity rather than encouraging it. Science needs to bust out of such narrow constraints. Then, society can follow and support their work while discussing the ethical implications for mankind. For example, consider the stem cell debate. President Bush stop all stem cell research and it has taken years for stem cells research to develop new approaches to neurosurgery.

Hopefully a sympathetic public attitude will encourage more of them to leak info as a first stage of a paradigm shift. If people in this thread want to do some name calling, I would suggest that it be directed at the top tier of people. They organize the way breakthrough research is compartmentalized and conducted in secret.

[pathaka]

0. Prior art it by releasing it anonymously and widely. Patenting it is only going to kill IT and probably YOU in the process.

1. Sell it as an efficiency increase (heater, cooler, charger, electricity storage, whatever). Do NOT sell it as a free-energy, overunity or such device or technology.

2. Get it into MASS production through second party, big name, established manufacturers, using no 1 (i.e. part of an improved efficiency water kettle, etc.)

3. Make sure that in the manufactured device there is a (hidden) auxiliary port for ("diagnostics, etc") which is not clearly visible to users, but accessible nevertheless.

4. Repeat no.2 (to hedge any risks by going through multiple routes).

5. Wait till 500+ million units of such device have been shipped all over the world to consumers.

6. Then publicly announce that the auxiliary port in the device can be used to extract FREE x kW of energy production, just by plugging stuff into it. Make extra converters for the aux port for DC12V, DC24V, AC240V, AC120V and various uses (this enables you to actually make money off it, if you so desire).

No government, no aliens, no anybody will be able to make 500M units disappear and the youtube will be full of videos of people using it and everybody will know at least one friend or acquaintance who has one.

The rest of the world will want to buy/build/steal one too.

The cat is now out of the bag. Forever. Nobody can put it back in.

Good luck!

[araucaria]

Hi guys. Free energy is... free. You cannot meter or otherwise control or restrict free energy. Sure, your managed to dam it up for a while, but it was not a good idea building that cosy nest of yours just downstream, now that the dam is about to burst.

As a free energy device myself, trust me, I know what I'm talking about. This post has just produced a downpour after three weeks of dry weather.

[Robin]

Here is the best I can do given your thread specifics. Keep in mind I am talking to psychopaths, but I really do think there is sound logic to my argument. Irregardless of who I'm talking to, the 4-hour work day is better for everyone. Honestly, I'm rather proud of myself for coming up with this argument, but I also feel shocked and ashamed...I hope no psychopaths take me seriously:

If you gave the masses of humanity free energy, you would have a happier slave race. Sure, it seems easier to keep the masses in a constant state of fear and anxiety by keeping them ignorant and weary, but that also means that you are causing more and more dissension within humanity. You are causing people to question the system more and more as they realize they are being screwed over as they wipe the sweat and grime off their faces after a long, tedious day of work.

May I suggest a different approach? Too bad, I'm going to do it anyway.

Change the economy by installing and propagating the 4-hour work day. Think about it: the current 8-hour work day leaves people to live tired and bitter lives. I understand that this is what you want, because people would be too weary to fight the system and would be obedient, docile workers. But because they are so weary, they are also bitter.

But with the advent of free-energy, the masses of humanity could easily get by working 4 hour days. Do you know what it's like to work on a farm? It is laborious work that is never-ending. History shows that it is the farmers who are more prone to having an Anarchist mentality, questioning the system, rebelling against the system...and WINNING. It is because they above anyone else who works all day every day understand that life should be so much easier. They know they are being screwed over.

If you gave these disgruntled, hard-working farmers free-energy, they could have the means to cultivate plants more efficiently. If you do this right and create the right technology, you could make it so these farmers have technology do all the work, which would keep them out of the gardens, and further away from nature. This may mean that you get many farmers disconnected from the very thing that gives them a high sense of spirituality...raising a food source with their own sweat, blood, and tears.

My suggestion? With free-energy, anybody could easily work 4-hour work days, which means they are less tired, and therefore, less bitter. Even if people have more free time to question the system, they won't be as tired and bitter. It is kind of like taking the "red pill" where they know they are still being screwed over, but are content enough to continue operating within the system, because you give them MORE freedom (or rather, the ILLUSION of more freedom...). More freedom does not necessarily equate to more rebellion, but rather, more contentment.

Isn't there a quote that goes something like: "Slavery works so much better when you convince the population that they are actually not slaves."? With free energy and the 4-hour work day, you will have a more content, obedient population. You will also have a cleaner planet, so the slavery system will work in perpetuity for a long time.

Also, studies do indicate that the 4-hour work day is advantageous for the economy, because people are much more willing to work harder and concentrate more when they fit their work into 4 hours. When stretching work out to 8 hours, even with whip on the back, people tend to do overall less work in the long run. Also, the work is sloppy. So not only will this boost the economy, give you better, more content slaves, and a cleaner planet, but also more concise and completed projects.

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

:)

Exodus 4:9
And it shall come to pass, if they will not believe also these two signs, neither hearken unto thy voice, that thou shalt take of the water of the river, and pour it upon the dry land: and the water which thou takest out of the river shall become blood upon the dry land.


Ex 5:2
And Pharaoh said, Who is the LORD, that I should obey his voice to let Israel go? I know not the LORD, neither will I let Israel go.
5:9
Let there more work be laid upon the men, that they may labour therein; and let them not regard vain words.

[Dennis Leahy]

OK, I'm basically "Thanking" anyone and everyone who is taking the time to participate in this thread, but damn, I am not going to call on most of you in a hostage negotiation scenario! :eek:

If you have read some of Wade Frazier's work, you should have come across Wade relating the experience that one of his associates had, where this person was blindfolded by "white hats" and taken down into an underground facility, and shown working free energy generator technology as well as anti-gravity technology. You should be wondering who those "white hats" were, and how many of them there are.

Yes, if the ONLY creatures that have complete control of these technologies are "evil reptilians" or insane psychopaths utterly devoid of not only conscience but reasoning capability, then this approach has no merit and is laughable. BUT, if you bear in mind that there are at least some people "in the know" that DO have conscience and are NOT insane, then address them.

Take 2. Go:

Dennis

[Joe Sustaire]

I love your first sentence here!
And I'll have to read Wade Frazier's stuff, sounds fascinating.