A Working Theory on Universes/Multiverse

[Omni]

Some of my ET Contacts asked me to put intent into trying to come up with a working theory of the universe some time ago. I have put some thought into it and believe I have a working model of the universe/multiverse...

In my theory on how the universe/multiverse works, there is no God, and what I mean by 'working' is it is self sustained in a natural way. If you disagree with my theory, feel free to submit your own working theories of the universe/multiverse. I also don't mind debating such things. Debate can bring better understanding as long as all parties are respectful.

In my theory there is a cosmic creative force, but not a conscious being who is behind it. I believe many universes exist. It is my top theory that in each black hole is a different universe, or many black holes in a various region all connect to one universe(maybe one universe per galaxy or something). I theorize that the mechanics of this universe and others are tied to another universe's creation in the multiverse. In my theory, dark matter, light, and matter get sucked up by black holes, and eventually they all create a big bang of material in a new universe.

A new universe, created by the ancient mechanics that have always existed. A universe that will have no end. So in my theory universes have beginnings, but do not end. Try to wrap your head around that one, an infinity in ways, that has a beginning. I see the soul to be a microcosm of the universe in this way in my theory. In that the soul has a beginning but no end. Truly immortal in essence, but also living very mortal unique lives.

In my theory, time always will, and always has existed. Time is an essential ingredient to the universe/multiverse in my opinion...

In my theory the same mechanics are applied to every universe. The same set of physics, metaphysics, gravity etc. The same technological apexs etc.

Credit to Carol Clarke for the idea of universes being in black holes (where I heard that idea)...

What universe do you theorize exists if you think this is not accurate? To the people who think a God exists, what is God's role in the universe by your theory? I'd be interested to hear that.

cheers

[Shezbeth]

I don't know that my theory either agrees or disagrees with yours, they seem compatible though.

If you will direct your attention to my avatar; that is everything. That is the shape of the collected 'everything', and that is the shape of the infinitely minute particles that collectively construct everything, 'brick by brick'; from the macroscopic to the microscopic. If one were to 'zoom out' to perceive all of existence that is what one would see, and if one were to 'zoom in' to a singular indivisible particle, that too is what one would see.

I call it the metaform, though I am sure it has innumerable names.

I do not know if it has a consciousness as humans perceive consciousness - likewise with awareness - because I don't find that to be relevant. It would seem to possess some form of awareness, in order to interact with its self in such a harmonious and consistent manner, but again I can't liken that to human awareness from my finite human position.

It is the stuff of all things, and all things are the stuff of 'it'. Whether all things are the result of 'it's' will that there be manifestation, or whether manifestation is the natural result of its existence - like a reflex or a consequence if you will - is beyond me (irrelevant IMO).

The universe then - according to my theory - is the single thing, somehow existing infinitely beside its self in a capacity that is well beyond my ability to comprehend.

Credit where credit is due; this is not something I came up with myself, this is something I was shown by EDs and have spent years analyzing and pondering. The image is of course a crude 2d representation of an 'object' that defies conventional spacial concepts, but is none-the-less observable in a variety of forms throughout manifestation. It is the pieces of the flower of life, and it is the flower of life. It is the parts of the metatron's cube, and it is the metatron's cube. To wit, I have not found anything that it is not, nor anything that is not 'it'.

[<8>]

In my theory, dark matter, light, and matter get sucked up by black holes, and eventually they all create a big bang of material in a new universe.



Hi Omniverse and thanks for sharing your theory.

I just like the bigbang theory and I have not experienced to many people who seem to question this theory, please correct me, but aren't that theory basing it all.
On that everything is created out of nothingness? It just seem so ironic that these materialist scientists base everything they got on something that never was.

However this is your theory and you seem partially to follow their lead in a sense, would you mind breaking down your thoughts about this bigbang for me?


Thanks..:)

[Omni]

In my theory, dark matter, light, and matter get sucked up by black holes, and eventually they all create a big bang of material in a new universe.



Hi Omniverse and thanks for sharing your theory.

I just like the bigbang theory and I have not experienced to many people who seem to question this theory, please correct me, but aren't that theory basing it all.
On that everything is created out of nothingness? It just seem so ironic that these materialist scientists base everything they got on something that never was.

However this is your theory and you seem partially to follow their lead in a sense, would you mind breaking down your thoughts about this bigbang for me?


Thanks..:)

In my theory once enough mass, light, and perhaps dark energy are collected into black holes, and whatever else stored up in a black hole, it may reach some sort of critical mass and explode in a big bang creating a universe. although I'm not sure it would be nuclear, probably not. So it certainly wouldn't be "nothing" exploding as a big bang. It would probably be quite a lot actually to be able to make a universe. This leads me to think that many black holes lead to one universe eventually.

[Agape]

Ok that's a great great topic . I can recollect something from my memory but then will have to improvise to explain the rest .

I used to call my theory a 'bubble theory of Universe ' , years later some astrophysicist close to Michio Kaku came out with similar concept so I think 'they're on right track' ;)

But to put it to the right angle and that's where the memory of our own , previous ( Et ) concept comes to view , we believed that looking at Space from really large bird view , there's something as two tiered ( multi-tiered actually ) layer that spreads itself like a wave .. to infinite ..conceptually put .
It does not have of course , exactly clear cut edges or shape to it but reminds of long and large ribbon waving itself through the 'larger Space' and it has different polarity on one side than the other .

This may sound quite insignificant compared to what is happening within itself .. but from 'larger point view' it plays certain role .

In this 'infinite ribbon' there are Bubbles of local Universes floating , loosely structured in layers .

Each bubble of local Universe encloses its own Space-time with millions or perhaps billions of galaxies .

They may look similar to a degree but they are not the same , their physical characteristics can be various .

Some contain more mass and density than others, for example . Others are big in size but of lower density and containing more space .

Not all local Universes have necessarily Black Hole in the centre but some do . Those with Black hole are perpetually collapsing to itself and on 'the other side' , I also believe , new type of Universe may be born .
But basically , new 'Bubble' . Of course it takes time before new Bubble accumulates enough material to form itself and grow up .

The 'local Universe' I remember and where we came from .. several 'jumps' from here after all ;) , was an old type and very stable Universe , in its 'central part' there was no black hole but space time that 'stood still' basically .
That's what seems to keep certain type of Universe Bubbles stable . The central part is almost empty save for certain number of huge Stars perhaps , giant type of Bodies or even Planes ( Dimensional layers ) .. and this central part is also very hard to approach because once approached , you're not moving forwards , either in space or in time and can not use this very stable energy zone to help you moving . Though the Space is seemingly empty it 's 'solid as a rock' .

Now some of these 'old Universes' evolve from 'inside out' , in perfect formation.

Similarly to the way perfect crystal is shaped from the centre .. leaving the edges 'soft' and 'lose' till the formation process takes over . They can form some very beautiful and harmonious, symmetrical patterns . Basically all that exists within them is subjected to the delicate work of space symmetry, including the ways how individual elements come to existence, orderly Universes .
They tend to be also ideal place for advanced Life . Life evolves without struggle and in harmony with physical forces .

They stay in place for very long even after they are fully formed because the Form protects their life time the best .

We did not give much importance to the idea of 'big bang' as it only concerns certain local Universes . The 'singularity' does not come to existence by itself , it's basically a product of previously collapsed time-space ( another Universe ) and so it goes on and on.
These 'big bang Universes' are more like freshly blown bubbles, they are fast and chaotic at the beginning , once they reach certain 'quantum climax' they may either stay stable - if they accumulated enough energy to do that - or start collapsing back to itself .

Back to the 'ribbon layer' ..with billions of such bubbles floating within it , like a river of sorts .. one type of 'positively charged Universes' tend to end up on one side and 'negatively charged ones' at the flip side .
Positive and negative has nothing to do with 'light and dark' here , it's more likely their chirality , clockwise - anticlockwise orientation responsible for the matter .

When I say that the Universe where we came from previously was closer to the 'negative side' it's more like to say that the Bubble rotated in left handed direction.

Now , this all positive-negative layers/edges of the ribbon seem to play role when traversing - entering those Time-Space fields because the polarity differs ,
from one 'side' to the other .

The 'flip' is so remarkable that the effect is observed as if in entering entirely 'parallel' dimension of Space .

So ..for example ... if we go far enough from here, theoretically ... and not sure to be honest, how far from the 'great riffs' are we ..meaning the ribbons sides .. this effect would be experienced in similar manner as if passing through a mirror .
There would be a mirror like zone appearing in Space but ..upon entering it , nothing would be seen behind for quite some time to go .


This is a fragment of the way I see it ...


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[Agape]

Maybe I could add about the possibility of hot and cold Universes where again , there does not have to be 'black hole' in the centre of the particular Space-time Bubble ,

in case of hot Universes there tends to be something like 'Central Sun' , Giant Superstar with gravity loop consuming subsequently all of the energy-matter of the bubble turning it to one heated space of its own .
Life is very difficult if not impossible to maintain in these 'hot Universes' except for edges and Beings/civilisations who still live there are accustomed to much higher temperatures and frequency fields even though at the end they're usually forced to relocate or face extinction. The Bubble starts cooling down again after considerable span of time .. and after most of its inner mass has been exhausted ..but before it comes to that point , it's impossible to survive in.

It may well turn to another 'cold Universe' of its own for long time that is rather desolate place .

Other 'cold Universes' are inhabitable to a degree , they're basically steady-state, slow motion type of time-spaces with large amount of energy stored but very little in active phase so they don't evolve a lot , there's not much action within ,
some of these , from what I recall , can be used for experiments with energy .

There are still some Beings who live in these Cold Universes , some advanced civilisations as well but maybe very isolated , not easy to approach.

Another thing ... though I have nicknamed this 'bubble theory' because each 'Universe' forms its isolated time-space with traversable yet well defined dimensional borders ,
most of them are formed in spiral motion ,
except for few that maybe perfectly cyclical .

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[Sunny-side-up]

Hi Agape, love your post, love this topic ;)
I started writing this back when this post had no reply's but had to go out, I come back to see many reply's which I will now go back to and read!

I also believe that universes are birthed through Black-Holes, which are of course in other universes from which we came. Maybe even every atom of a universe has with init the potential for a universe! (As within so without!)

I also think yes Black-Hole form Universes but! many other phenomenon and dimensions etc that we do not yet fully know of, so not just forming BH's

Universes are by definition, Universes by there very existence are 'Time-Line-Generators'
As they are born they so start their own Time-Line, which is an extension of the Parent-Universes-BH's-Time-Line!
Born from the parent Universes-BH's-DNA which now evolves in the new Universe.
Then as the new Time-line evolves it creates other time lines across the universes vast size (vast yes, yet so small, depending on the observers view point)

(We are also birthed from other time-lines, our parents etc. We all share a common time-line-Consciousness but can jump back and froth in other time-lines, they are not set in concrete!)

God as a intelligence comes after the universe comes into existence, it is the magnitude of Life-Potential-Consciousness that naturally forms the collective-consciousness (God if you like), and then as each evolve the God side (to which we become Co-Creators) refines the Life-Potential-Consciousness (Energy) with desire and intelligent design for order and so; matter, Planets, complex life forms etc.

I hope that all makes sense and follows some of your A Working Theory on Universes/Multiverse so far Agape.

Love, Peace and Big Hugs
Alan

[Sunny-side-up]

As for critical mass in the form of energy well, every-point, every-where in-space has vertically an infinity of energy/time with in it, so always critical-mass-potential, just needs the nudge!

That nudge is the 'critical-mass-Consciousness' which we are connected to and help generate!

[joeecho]

I lack a Working Theory on Universes/Multiverse but I do have an idea ;)

I see a universe as a never-ending story(s). The big bang that is talked about as a 'hiSTORY' has a beginning of sorts but it also has an ending of what came before it....and so on and so forth. In this world we tend to think something has a true beginning (and ending) because we have no reference of where it came from (or where it goes). Many times they are viewed as finite boundaries.

Science can view increasingly infinitesimal particles and will continue to find smaller and smaller particles as the equipment to detect them gets more sophisticated. Conversely this is also said of the outer universe. It has been said that the universe is expanding but maybe it appears that way because our perception/ equipment is expanding its capability to detect more of an already existing universe.

I may have digressed..... so back to the story. The story is 'alive' like an author in the middle of writing it which also has creative license to change it at will. Lets say the author is in the middle of writing a rough draft and then realizes the beginning does not fit the story so... BANG!... the beginning is scraped and a 'new' beginning is started...a new big bang! What has a bigger bang then the beginning of a story? The rest of the story cannot exist without some kind of beginning.

A universe is a infinite possibility story.

The universe has no beginning or ending because it has infinite possible beginnings and infinite possible endings. The beginning is a change of the beginning and the end is a change of the ending. If something is ever-changing (or appearing so) all the while you are looking for it, you may as well be chasing for that pot of gold at the end of the rainbow.

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My idea is but a rough draft with all the pitfalls that go with it.....the good news is: I have a universal erasure!


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[Sunny-side-up]

I don't actually like the name 'Big Bang' Sound would have only been a composite of the event well after it's birth!

Maybe the Big-Event was/is actually just our consciousness exploding into life/action, all is us, all is illusion and or our collective gathering and not out side of us at all! we are one.

[joeecho]

Big Bang = A metaphysical clock striking midnight? A metaphysical alarm clock goes off and universal consciousness is awaken?

Universal Consciousness and Universe coexistent. One does not appear without the other and conversely...disappears.... like a pulsing light... offering the illusion of time.

Note: rhythmic devices are used in hypnosis.


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[ghostrider]

everything was created out of nothingness , I agree with that ... the information provided by Semjase, Quetzal , and Ptaah says there are many Universes , many dimensions , some time shifted by a fraction of a second from our space time ... take it for what it's worth ... they also state , every galaxy has a black hole in the center , the larger the galaxy the larger the black hole , it compresses everything until an energy build up happens then new stars, galaxies , planets are created ... They say it all came from a flea-sized spec of pure spirit energy that like cells in a body began to divide and change form hence evolve ... they say black energy(dark energy) makes up three fifths of the Universe, and black holes are basically black energy, one day our science will learn to harvest energy from black holes for deep space travel , as black holes are everywhere in the cosmos ...

[joeecho]

While meditating on the subject matter conveyed in this thread today I was visited by Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj. No, he did not visit me in the conventional sense. I did not even know who he was until I googled him later. I have no back ground in Hinduism.

I find it interesting who a person runs into on a meditative walk.

I asked myself: Why him, why now.

[<8>]

Hi



I'll give it a shot.:)


There is only one universe, a new universe are able to form within the universe and there are no limit how many universes and dimensions that able be within the universe.
It's an endless creation within itself, you may se it like cells within your body, the spheres we call planets stars etc represent cells.
Like within your body, the cells attracts objects created and come together to for the thing we call solarsystems and other things we are able to se at this point within this universe.
There is no coincidence that we can witness that our planets are shaped as cells.

Every reality represent a unique perceptions that makes us aware of what we need to experience in that environment.
In a sense we might represent our blood cells, we have different funktions and run around trying to fix things that we perceive as an interest to us.
The cell we call earth may represent a cancer cell, the blood cells on earth are lost and have forgotten their real purpose and who they are.
Many of them can feel they are killing earth, but most of them cannot stop themselves.


I could probably go on forever, but here was a few thoughts, thanks..:)

[Sunny-side-up]

Also thinking about one Black-Hole and or Universe forming/birthing another, well!
what of our duality? maybe the birthed/new universe is actually two! it has it's Yang to it being the Yin, so two new connected universes but of different base aspects!

I still see Stars like our Sun as a stable sized Black-Hole, it formed and was limited in growth by it's surroundings and so, it became stable!

What I mean by stable is it became balanced in it's surroundings, it became one with it's surroundings. So it ended up balanced in strength with it's captured/formed planets.

We see it's Outer edge of plasma and magnetic fields and so we call it a start, we call it Sun.

But really it is a balanced, small BH

Because it is a balanced size and strength it can be used as a Star-Gate.
Because it is a balanced energy it can be calculated and used as a Star-Gate.
It is happy where it/she is she can be used to come through as a Star-Gate.

Because she is staying where she is! both in terms of energy and position, she can be a FIXED-STAR-GATE! and the same can be said of where she leads to, a Fixed point or points, others gates, other small stable BH/Stars.

Just some more of my personal Higher thoughts
(Thoughts isn't really the right word, it to me personally is more of a inner/Higher knowledge, not a thought which imply s imagination as it where!)

[animovado]

While meditating on the subject matter conveyed in this thread today I was visited by Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj. No, he did not visit me in the conventional sense. I did not even know who he was until I googled him later. I have no back ground in Hinduism.

I find it interesting who a person runs into on a meditative walk.

I asked myself: Why him, why now.

Maybe because the Advaita Vedanta he was teaching has some answers
in regard to this thread?
The title of bis book "I AM THAT" would fit very well into your signature, too.


Big Bang = A metaphysical clock striking midnight? A metaphysical alarm clock goes off and universal consciousness is awaken?

Here's always "high noon", but we're tending to oversleep the big bang!

[seeker/reader]

In my theory there is a cosmic creative force, but not a conscious being who is behind it.

Seems to me you can't have a creative force without a conscious "being" focusing it's attention (consciousness) and intention (will) on doing something (creation). And I am not talking about a tall MAN with a grey beard as the being, but rather a conscious ENERGY SOURCE(BEING).

Reminds me of one of the fundamental laws of physics:

F=Ma
Force = Mass * acceleration
(creative) Force = Mass (consciousness/attention) * acceleration (intention)

Humans are said to have the same power with our own reality. We are the microcosm of the macrocosm. We focus our attention (consciousness) and intention (will) on "something" and then it manifests (creation). Putting our thoughts in motion creates our reality.

[joeecho]

[QUOTE]Big Bang = A metaphysical clock striking midnight? A metaphysical alarm clock goes off and universal consciousness is awaken?

Here's always "high noon", but we're tending to oversleep the big bang!

Maybe we tend to oversleep because we tend to hit the 'snooze' button a few too many times. The alarm goes off so much that we incorporate it into our dream state?

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