How to spot the aliens that walk among us..

[<8>]

Hi..


I would like to share an easy way to spot those who are not native to this world.
The key is to be aware not paranoid, and what give them away is two things.

They don't break eye contact, because they have no fears and the second thing is that they have very strong loving emotions.

I have to admit, this have only happen one time for me, and I were obviously not ready for it because it was the first time.

Ok let me break this down why I think its easy I did a personal experience were I challenge myself to look people in the eyes, link:http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?73468-Ready-to-share-your-fears

99,9% of all people look away after a few sec, if you look them in the eyes. The people look away because a fear based thought arises, so this narrow things down dramatically.

I may had 5-10 people under a three year period, who actually never broke eye contact.
And only one made it physical possible for me, to feel her emotions.
The love she had for me were unprecedented, unbelievable you can't question it.

After a good +10 sec gaze in her eyes, a fear based thought of mine about the guy standing next to her, broke the experience and I continued home.
And it wasn't until later that night it just hit me, I am 100% sure, she's not from here!

About the other few who never broke eye contact, I felt nothing!

I have to say, all during this, I always have loving thoughts and smile at people.
And that slowly break down the hardest guys on the block, one guy I spent more than one year before he started to say hi to me, with a smile.:)

What can I say, I have my own little lab going on here.

Now, what about negative beings, I got a feeling they can't stand being around a positive guy like me. jokes aside, I have only met negative beings in other reality's.
And I have and most likely still are one of them, in some realms.

The old say about attraction might be valid after all...

Questions are welcome and please feel free sharing an experience

[Natalia]

What about "starseeds"? Some of them find eye contact difficult because they are so highly sensitive...

Not saying that what you said about "aliens" is not true...maybe in general they are better at eye contact than humans are...?...

[Flash]

I am sorry 8, but this way of judging people you cross as being ETs or not seems absolutely silly to me.

Did you know for example that eye contact, and maintaining stare or not, is in factculturally biaised? A Middle Eastern woman will not stare at men less keep eye contact, while a French Canadian will the the champion of eye contact to the point where an American for examle would think the French Canadian is staring at thim because he has something wrong on him (did happen to me with an American on Montréal subway).

Furthermore, some people are not afraid of sending love if love énergies are freely moving Inside them. In fact, lots of therapists for example are trained to maintain eye contact, and few of them do love (higher love) their clients for example. It does not mean they are aliens. When you remove fears, love can flow, in any human. Some have worked on themselves to remove fears in order to live full lifes.

So, what is next, we are going to shoot all French Canadian for their prolongued eye contact and those who radiate love because they are aliens???

In fact, what you are describing in terms of love feeling generated by some humans on the street only describes some people who are less blocked than others in whom love énergies can freely flow, a better developed human, as we could all be if removing fears.

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I concur as well, some people have neurological or sensitivity problems with eye contacts yet are able of full love even if it does not radiate from them at first glance.

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We may as well find other Tools to decipher who is or who is not human, and we should also define what a human is, if we are to discriminate amongst people who in fact look human lol. Is a human human when he has a physical body with 50% of general population caracteristics? 75%? 99%? Is a human a human when he has a human looking body but a soul from outside the planet earth? And if so, how do we analyse the soul?

Short of objective psychic visions (which are often subjective to start with lol), I do not think we can determine who's soul is from here and who's is not and which percentage of a human body is hybridised with ET or not or full ET in a human shape.

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Sorry for grammatical mistakes, i am speaking/living much more in French lately and slowly losing the English language.

[donk]

People who live without fear, and have the integrity to hold prolonged eye contact, are in fact "alien" these days--at least to my reality, be they "human" or not.

[Flash]

People who live without fear, and have the integrity to hold prolonged eye contact, are in fact "alien" these days--at least to my reality, be they "human" or not.

you are welcome in my hometown Donk! lol I see quite a few of them holding eye contact on a daily basis. As for fear erasing, this is another story, not that many, but more than in other cities i have seen. This a French Canadian caracteristic and when we go in the US of A, they mistake it for sexual inuendos lol.

Well, maybe it has to do with the fact that woman can walk in the Streets at 10h00 PM in most parts of the city (not all, but many), which is quite different from most large cities. Not as much fear to start with.

[Frank V]

When people break eye contact, it is not necessarily out of fear. It's just that eye contact (of any kind) can be very intense and induces a momentary shyness - a sense of vulnerability or exposure, or both. It's a normal neuro-psychological response to turn away, and especially so even among people on the autism spectrum, such as myself.

Now, I myself am indeed not "from here" - I'm not even from this universe, actually - but my body is human, and I was born here on Earth, among humans, and to a human family. I am therefore (technically) not an alien. I am by nature of my origins far more sensitive, far more innocent and far more aware than "normal" humans, and this translates into the neurological makeup of the body that I inhabit.

I don't know the exact mechanisms by which a soul/spirit merges with a physical body, but autism spectrum conditions are either way genetically transfered, and it definitely runs in my family. And in my case - and according to the statistics, this also applies to other Volunteers and Emissaries - this autistic neurology was obviously needed in order for a soul/spirit of my kind to be able to integrate with humanity, and so I was born into a bloodline where autism was prevalent.

So to reiterate, in short, I am physically human and I was born into a human body here on Planet Earth, but I am not "from here". And I find it very difficult under most circumstances to maintain eye contact. ;-)

[Brakeman]

I must be an extraterrestrial, then.

;)

[donk]

People who live without fear, and have the integrity to hold prolonged eye contact, are in fact "alien" these days--at least to my reality, be they "human" or not.

you are welcome in my hometown Donk! lol I see quite a few of them holding eye contact on a daily basis. As for fear erasing, this is another story, not that many, but more than in other cities i have seen. This a French Canadian caracteristic and when we go in the US of A, they mistake it for sexual inuendos lol.

Well, maybe it has to do with the fact that woman can walk in the Streets at 10h00 PM in most parts of the city (not all, but many), which is quite different from most large cities. Not as much fear to start with.

My area seems to be "polarizing", people seem almost totally positive or really negative, so much so either feeling is almost contagious. Some miserable friggin people, it is so sad. But also some that seem to enjoying this incarnation.

It must suck to be or even feel like an "alien". I like being a human. I am a big fan of the planet I inhabit. I won't let a few psychopaths bring me down. It is what it is...all is well!

[<8>]

What about "starseeds"? Some of them find eye contact difficult because they are so highly sensitive...

Not saying that what you said about "aliens" is not true...maybe in general they are better at eye contact than humans are...?...


Thanks Amethyst...

I try to keep my view simple, the mind love to label everything, the label "starseed", suggests that they are different than you and me.
Yet themselves claims we all come from the same source and we all are in a sense the same, as in we are all one.

I would agree that some soul's might have less baggage and some are more experienced than others, and would easily stand out in a world like this.

The view that they might be better than us at eye contact, I perceive that no one is better, that would yet again be impossible if we are all the same.
I would suggest that they have transcended those annoying thoughts, I would label fear based thoughts.
And I would even suggest that is what we all have to go through, because a silent mind would logical be the next step for any beings that would become telepathic.
And to be able to live in peace and harmony.

And as many people know, many of our space brothers and sister are just that telepathic.

[seehas]

for me its not the way of the eye contact i also think that visitors dont want eyecontact on purpose, unless you whis to have it since they can read your mind.

and this is what happened to me, i could feel a person reading my mind its coin of a sensational vibrating feeling hard to discribe. maybe the so called vibration is caused by the higher vibrations these visitors have.

otherwise if you are in a huge crowd of people and you form the wish to have eye contact with an visitor lets see what will happen ;) telepathy makes it more easy

[<8>]

I am sorry 8, but this way of judging people you cross as being ETs or not seems absolutely silly to me.



Hi Flash and thanks for sharing your thoughts.:)

Your view is that I judge people when I look at them with loving thoughts and after 3 years I found one who I could physically feel the loving emotions??

Who is judging who here??

[<8>]

[QUOTE=Aragorn;861520]When people break eye contact, it is not necessarily out of fear. It's just that eye contact (of any kind) can be very intense and induces a momentary shyness - a sense of vulnerability or exposure, or both. It's a normal neuro-psychological response to turn away, and especially so even among people on the autism spectrum, such as myself.QUOTE]


Hi Aragorn and thanks for sharing.:)

Your quote here is still just a thought, like all the thoughts that makes us do "ALL" the things we do.
You of course are entitled to your view as we all are..

thanks.:)

[Flash]

I am sorry 8, but this way of judging people you cross as being ETs or not seems absolutely silly to me.



Hi Flash and thanks for sharing your thoughts.:)

Your view is that I judge people when I look at them with loving thoughts and after 3 years I found one who I could physically feel the loving emotions??

Who is judging who here??

noooooo, you mistook my writings it seems for something else. Love people as much as you can, and please, look at them, it is soooooo much needed in this world, to be seen and recognized and loved. This is just more than fine truly.

What i meant was that we cannot judge (call it discriminate) people on the basis of them keeping eye contact or not, or yet, sending enough love energy that we can physically feel it. This does not mean that they are ETs versus humans. It just means that they have less fear and this could come from them coming from a country / milieu where fear is not as prévalent as elsewhere, or from having had years of working on their inner beings for example. And eyes contacts standards are definitely cutlurally biaised, i have lived in enough countries to know this.

So, please, keep loving.

[RunningDeer]

Babies and young children will engage you because they still have soul-to-soul contact. Their eyes widen, they grin, or continue to stare as you walk away. Even some crying babies will stop if only for a brief curiosity-interlude. My heart giggles every time and send along a ‘hello’.

I’ve listed several brief encounters below. In the last few weeks, I see people and my first notion is, “Are they ET?” My thought is that I’m opening to the possibility, so the veil is weakening enough for me to “see”.

Last summer, within a couple of weeks, there was a tall male with sunglasses in the store. The first time, my curiosity meter went off. At first glance, there was no specific reason, but his chisel face made me wonder. The second time I saw tall, sun glasses guy, in the same shopping mall, but it was in a different store at the check-out. I can’t say whether my heart pounded while the thought “he’s an ET”, or it pounded at the same time when I heard a non-verbal reply, “Yes.” It all happened almost simultaneously. It took a couple of hours to process. And I hadn’t connected the two contacts until weeks later. Which tells me, that as much as I am curious, I’m not ready to meet one. It fits with my dreams as well. I believe that some of the animals that communicate with me are either ETs or ET family.

About three years ago, in that same shopping mall, I was walking to my car and when out of nowhere a short, elderly woman walked briskly by and said, “Beautiful day, isn’t it?” In the next instant, I saw a small rainbow and turned to point it out, but she was gone. There were no cars to block our path because I always park far way. (Proud owner of 2003 car, with no dents. :))

One last example, I had a challenging day and stopped off at the grocery store before going home for the evening. As a way to ground in present moment, I took a deep, slow breath and focused on my heart. Just then, a tall man in a rain coat, walked by and I heard a confirmation in my mind from him, “Aha, yes.” And by the time I turned around, he was nowhere to be seen, and all the angst from the day was gone.

RunningDeer <3

[Frank V]

When people break eye contact, it is not necessarily out of fear. It's just that eye contact (of any kind) can be very intense and induces a momentary shyness - a sense of vulnerability or exposure, or both. It's a normal neuro-psychological response to turn away, and especially so even among people on the autism spectrum, such as myself.


Hi Aragorn and thanks for sharing.:)

Your quote here is still just a thought, like all the thoughts that makes us do "ALL" the things we do.
You of course are entitled to your view as we all are..

I am sorry but you are wrong about that. A lack of (sustained) eye contact among people on the autism spectrum is listed in the DSM-IV and the new DSM-5, and the explanation for this is as I gave it, namely that it is a neuro-psychological reaction. Being on the spectrum myself, I can fully corroborate with that.

[RunningDeer]

The Art of the Friendly Stare: ET or Otherwise (Still figuring it out.)

If I’m attracted to someone, it’s really hard to make eye contact, much less maintain it, all the while trying stop my face from turning blush-hot-red.

There’s also a fine line between too long eye contact with the opposite sex because sometimes a friendly hello gets misinterpreted.

<3

[Natalia]

What about "starseeds"? Some of them find eye contact difficult because they are so highly sensitive...

Not saying that what you said about "aliens" is not true...maybe in general they are better at eye contact than humans are...?...

Thanks Amethyst...

I try to keep my view simple, the mind love to label everything, the label "starseed", suggests that they are different than you and me.
Yet themselves claims we all come from the same source and we all are in a sense the same, as in we are all one.

I would agree that some soul's might have less baggage and some are more experienced than others, and would easily stand out in a world like this.

To me, "alien" can be just as much a "label" as "starseed" is! The reason why I use "" with what seems like more labely kinda words, is me also saying that I know that there is so much more to it than this word/label...I too generally don't really like labeling in a narrow way...but, I have come to it that when we are using verbal or written language to communicate, we cannot always not use what can be seen as labels! It's also about how and why we use them and how people understand and connect with them . "starseed" now has some stigma attached to it...there is also "wanderer" and "ET souls on Earth" and they all mean the same thing...I know that we all come from elsewhere initially, but what I mean by "starseeds" is people who have and feel a strong connection to elsewhere (other than Earth) who know and feel like they are not from here and have had lives on other planets/galaxies/dimensions (this might not be the case for every soul here now in human form?), and who have soul family who live elsewhere...they feel like their home-home is not here...

I could have not used any of those words and gone into a long winded way of saying the same thing...but I chose to use "starseed" or "wanderer" for easy reference but also so that others can easily understand what I mean...I see us all as the same and different and that doesn't mean that I don't see us as all one. I do not, however, ever say anything to most of my friends and family and in public (other than here) about feeling like I am from elsewhere...because they just would not understand and it could make things worse, and I don't need to tell them...but here, it's different, I like to talk a bit about it here, where some others understand...btw, I see myself as human, too...so, in my written and verbal language, I go with what feels right at the time...not that it's always intuitive!


The view that they might be better than us at eye contact, I perceive that no one is better, that would yet again be impossible if we are all the same.
I would suggest that they have transcended those annoying thoughts, I would label fear based thoughts.
And I would even suggest that is what we all have to go through, because a silent mind would logical be the next step for any beings that would become telepathic.
And to be able to live in peace and harmony.

And as many people know, many of our space brothers and sister are just that telepathic.

Yeah I agree with you that fear can make people look away, sometimes, but that there are other reasons, too, like Aragorn suggested...(like, it can also be to stay centered in your own energy if you are feeling very open and sensitive to someone else that you are feeling them too much, if that makes any sense? Like with people who have a thin or thinner than usual skin...). I also see some fear as natural when in human form...and sometimes there is something that comes from people's eyes that doesn't feel nice...I have looked away from people (and at people) for different reasons...positive and negative...

I see what you mean about them transcending thoughts, and fears (there are, obviously, more evolved beings than me!), and that telepathy is an evolved way to communicate.

[RunningDeer]

When people break eye contact, it is not necessarily out of fear. It's just that eye contact (of any kind) can be very intense and induces a momentary shyness - a sense of vulnerability or exposure, or both. It's a normal neuro-psychological response to turn away, and especially so even among people on the autism spectrum, such as myself.


Hi Aragorn and thanks for sharing.:)

Your quote here is still just a thought, like all the thoughts that makes us do "ALL" the things we do.
You of course are entitled to your view as we all are..

I am sorry but you are wrong about that. A lack of (sustained) eye contact among people on the autism spectrum is listed in the DSM-IV and the new DSM-5, and the explanation for this is as I gave it, namely that it is a neuro-psychological reaction. Being on the spectrum myself, I can fully corroborate with that.

DSM-IV codes - Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, 4th Edition [Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DSM-IV_codes)]

DSM-5: Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, Fifth Edition [Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DSM-5)]

<3

[betoobig]

Hello to all... There are too many diferent alien races and i can just guess....
Would there be a diferent reaction with diferent races?
Would greys with the "colmena" type of mind act the same us andromedans?
Makes me wonder
Love

¤=[Post Update]=¤

About the eye contact, of course

[Sidney]

This is an imprtant topic. But i feel there is a huge grey area. Not all is black and white. Beware of the epidemic of sociopathy of today. A sociopath is known to give long uninterrupted stares to maintain control over someone.
There are also many many different ets among us. Not just one. Sts and sto etc. I feel sociopathic behavior runs in reptilian bloodlines while loving sto traits are also et, and many earthlings have been hybridized with varying et bloodlines, hence the huve grey zone. Probably the empaths here can sense an et just by feel alone, as an empath can pick up vibrations that others simply cannot feel.
Are all empaths ets? Are empaths hybrids? Is it learned behavior or are we born with it? So many unanswered questions. But i personally feel the unturned eye contact to be an inacccurate test of et. Perhaps it is a test for negative et only.
Perhaps we can all participate in this testing of the et in society. If we suspect someone of being et what other traits besides the stare are present?

And also impotant is how not to confuse hybrids(which there are huge numbers) with full blooded ets.

Thanks for starting this thread as t really is crutial to learn these traits at this time in our world. I truly think there are more ets here than we can ever imagine.
The eyes are the window to the soul, but i am not sure its about the length of the stare but what is seen inside that eye. Its fairly easy to get the feel of the vibration when looking someone in the eye. Does it make you feel warm and relaxed or tense with the need to put distance between yourself.

Also be aware of the archons which are interdimensional, different than et. The archon can step in to a person, take over, and change a behavior instantly. This fact make id of et more difficult because a person taken over is not et but you will feel the negative vibration just the same. Many variations of situations would allow one to confuse the rep with the archon and vice versa, and also can be confused id the naturally loving human with a sto et.
Are we all et of varying types? Al so complicated.

[jounai]

Hi..


I would like to share an easy way to spot those who are not native to this world.
The key is to be aware not paranoid, and what give them away is two things.

They don't break eye contact, because they have no fears and the second thing is that they have very strong loving emotions.

I have to admit, this have only happen one time for me, and I were obviously not ready for it because it was the first time.

Ok let me break this down why I think its easy I did a personal experience were I challenge myself to look people in the eyes, link:http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?73468-Ready-to-share-your-fears

99,9% of all people look away after a few sec, if you look them in the eyes. The people look away because a fear based thought arises, so this narrow things down dramatically.

I may had 5-10 people under a three year period, who actually never broke eye contact.
And only one made it physical possible for me, to feel her emotions.
The love she had for me were unprecedented, unbelievable you can't question it.

After a good +10 sec gaze in her eyes, a fear based thought of mine about the guy standing next to her, broke the experience and I continued home.
And it wasn't until later that night it just hit me, I am 100% sure, she's not from here!

About the other few who never broke eye contact, I felt nothing!

I have to say, all during this, I always have loving thoughts and smile at people.
And that slowly break down the hardest guys on the block, one guy I spent more than one year before he started to say hi to me, with a smile.:)

What can I say, I have my own little lab going on here.

Now, what about negative beings, I got a feeling they can't stand being around a positive guy like me. jokes aside, I have only met negative beings in other reality's.
And I have and most likely still are one of them, in some realms.

The old say about attraction might be valid after all...

Questions are welcome and please feel free sharing an experience

Hello fellow Swede, good to see more of us hanging around. :D

There are those that are not native to this world which live around is, but I don't believe it has anything really to do with keeping eye contact. :) Some being's will look away because they understand that a direct connection might be to much for us, or that they simply have something else on their mind. It is true that there are beings close to us vibrationally that do not experience fear like we do, though they still have their version of challenges...there is always room for expansion. ^^

I usually don't look in other people's eyes to long (though I'm giving most people a look) since I have no interest in being experienced as crazy for them. Also a stronger more integrated energy might overwhelm someone who have done no work with themselves, making the experience uncomfortable or even unstable for the fellow human. Now, ETs of higher vibrations you can pretty much say anything to and they will remain stable, while saying 1 word might more or less literally beat down a fellow human. For myself I mostly just let my heart speak to the people around me, and whatever energy transfer that is appropriate to happen will happen. No need to force yourself onto a being. :)

And yes I have a similar experience of attraction; like attracts like. If you have a positive attitude to life, life will reflect positivity, much like a mirror will reflect a smile if you smile. :)
It sounds like you have an interesting experience of exploration and experimentation, which is good if you wish to discover what works for you and what does not work. :)

[<8>]

[QUOTE=Amethyst;861557]To me, "alien" can be just as much a "label" as "starseed" QUOTE]


Thanks Amethyst..

Please correct me, but it seems like you have answered most of your own questions, and I just want you to know that I mostly agree with you..:)
I feel no need tearing your beautiful response apart, if there is any specific, please let me know.


I would like to share that we are all one, I had that experience. So I know that you are me..:)

[<8>]

When people break eye contact, it is not necessarily out of fear. It's just that eye contact (of any kind) can be very intense and induces a momentary shyness - a sense of vulnerability or exposure, or both. It's a normal neuro-psychological response to turn away, and especially so even among people on the autism spectrum, such as myself.


Hi Aragorn and thanks for sharing.:)

Your quote here is still just a thought, like all the thoughts that makes us do "ALL" the things we do.
You of course are entitled to your view as we all are..

I am sorry but you are wrong about that. A lack of (sustained) eye contact among people on the autism spectrum is listed in the DSM-IV and the new DSM-5, and the explanation for this is as I gave it, namely that it is a neuro-psychological reaction. Being on the spectrum myself, I can fully corroborate with that.


Thanks for your respons Aragorn..:)


You of course are entitled to your view as we all are

And you answered "You are wrong" I obviously have no right to my own view!??

[<8>]

Hello to all... There are too many diferent alien races and i can just guess....
Would there be a diferent reaction with diferent races?
Would greys with the "colmena" type of mind act the same us andromedans?
Makes me wonder
Love

¤=[Post Update]=¤

About the eye contact, of course



Thanks Betoobig.:)

Thanks for pointing out that there are many different beings out there, it only seem logical there would be different ways telling some apart.

[RunningDeer]

In 1995, my sister and I traveled in her motor home from northern CA, down along the coast and then eastward to Henderson, NV which is just out side of Las Vagas. We pulled into the first quaint restaurant off the highway. But before the motor home rolled to a stop, I instantly got a weird feeling about the place. My sister insisted that we go in because she really needed protein. But once she stepped in, she too had a strange feeling. We settled on a Denny’s restaurant.

The waitperson delivered the water and before I picked it up, I got a clear message to not drink it. This was way, way before I knew anything about anything. I looked around while I waited for that ‘grand slam breakfast platter’ to arrive. From where I sat, the sun streamed in enough to mask the details of the waitstaff and customers. What I noticed first was their gait and posture. And then I looked around the restaurant. I swear on my life, they all looked like they were related. And they all looked alien. And for back in those days, that was not a word that rolled off my tongue.

Recently, I’ve thought of that time and wondered was it the water? Or was it a place that they all settled into? My sister came for a visit this passed May. She didn’t recall any of it. But, still today, I remember being energized to the point where someone could have used the skits that were streamed out of my head for the next twenty miles. We were flying high on infectious silliness.

Today, I’d say that fear of the unknown was a only small part. There was definitely a different energy vibration particularly for back in 1995. And I’d not rule out that it was a community of ETs.

Out of ignorance, I labeled them as dumbed-down. But it may be they were the ones that thought us as the air-heads. Could be they were passing sillies and pokes mind-to-mind at the two kooks that came rolling into town.

RunningDeer <3

[<8>]

This is an imprtant topic. But i feel there is a huge grey area. Not all is black and white. Beware of the epidemic of sociopathy of today. A sociopath is known to give long uninterrupted stares to maintain control over someone.


Thanks Sidney..:)

Very important point you are making here, like most things, it starts with yourself. Are you coming from a place of fear, with thoughts that there might be A sociopath out there.
And at the same time we all know, there are sociopathic people out there, as you said.

I have no clue if I have looked at one up close or not, But it would be possible that the other few I had eye contact with and felt nothing from. Were just just that??

In the end it all come down to a choice, are you ready to face your fears?

[Carmen]

In some cultures I know of in the South Pacific, where it's really rude and culturally insensitive to look into people's eyes. It's looking into their soul and that is their private place. It's quite difficult to interact with such people when one is used to eye contact. In my experience people who do not, or refuse to make eye contact are a bit shifty, or trying to hide something!

[<8>]

Hi..


I would like to share an easy way to spot those who are not native to this world.
The key is to be aware not paranoid, and what give them away is two things.

They don't break eye contact, because they have no fears and the second thing is that they have very strong loving emotions.

I have to admit, this have only happen one time for me, and I were obviously not ready for it because it was the first time.

Ok let me break this down why I think its easy I did a personal experience were I challenge myself to look people in the eyes, link:http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?73468-Ready-to-share-your-fears

99,9% of all people look away after a few sec, if you look them in the eyes. The people look away because a fear based thought arises, so this narrow things down dramatically.

I may had 5-10 people under a three year period, who actually never broke eye contact.
And only one made it physical possible for me, to feel her emotions.
The love she had for me were unprecedented, unbelievable you can't question it.

After a good +10 sec gaze in her eyes, a fear based thought of mine about the guy standing next to her, broke the experience and I continued home.
And it wasn't until later that night it just hit me, I am 100% sure, she's not from here!

About the other few who never broke eye contact, I felt nothing!

I have to say, all during this, I always have loving thoughts and smile at people.
And that slowly break down the hardest guys on the block, one guy I spent more than one year before he started to say hi to me, with a smile.:)

What can I say, I have my own little lab going on here.

Now, what about negative beings, I got a feeling they can't stand being around a positive guy like me. jokes aside, I have only met negative beings in other reality's.
And I have and most likely still are one of them, in some realms.

The old say about attraction might be valid after all...

Questions are welcome and please feel free sharing an experience

Hello fellow Swede, good to see more of us hanging around. :D



Hejsan my dear swede..:P


As Betoobig pointed out, who knows how many different beings are out there, surly there are a few more things that make it possible to spot them?.
I can only share my experience and I am happy it was a loving being..


thanks..:)

[Carmen]

To look into someone's eyes for any length of time is to " know" them and where they are coming from. This makes some people really uncomfortable. It tends to bring out all they are trying to hide. Or, all that you are trying to hide! And to respond to the thread, in my understanding, we are all aliens to this earth!

[PurpleLama]

Sometimes it's the mismatched clothes, sometimes it's the funny way they walk, but it is always the way their head whips around the instant it occurs to you that they might be what they are.

[jounai]

Hejsan my dear swede..:P


As Betoobig pointed out, who knows how many different beings are out there, surly there are a few more things that make it possible to spot them?.
I can only share my experience and I am happy it was a loving being..


thanks..:)
The way I point out beings origins is simply by reading their energy from which I can pretty much get any information I wish. I haven't met afaik a ET physically yet, and I bet there are technologies to mask their energy would they want to. I know of one ET family living about 30 kilometers away, though I have never met them. This family are working, living in a normal house and there are children included, which also are from elsewhere. Maybe one day I will meet them and get a reflection of what whatever what I see is true or not. :)

Another thing to point out is that many humans have nowdays connections with ET races or beings from other dimensions. This can make their expression similar to that of ETs or whatnot while still being Earlings. :)

[<8>]

Babies and young children will engage you because they still have soul-to-soul contact. Their eyes widen, they grin, or continue to stare as you walk away.


Hi Running Deer and thanks for sharing so much on this thread.:)


May I suggest that most children aren't tainted with too much fear based thoughts, but as we go through life we get shaped by the environment??
The joy you feel as you looking into the soul is universal, babys puppys kitties, you name it.

Most people are lost in their fear based thoughts, it's important to be nice to them who are lost..:)

[onawah]

I can testify from personal experience that the vibrations of some aliens who walk among us are not loving.
We have to remember that hybrids being created by Greys and Zetas, for example, are attempts to create bodies that Reptilians, for example, will be able to incarnate into. ( Not that all Reptilians are regressive, but some certainly are.)
I have known a couple of Zeta hybrids, and they were not all that loving.
And I think I've met at least one predominantly Reptilian hybrid who was frightened of me when I projected a loving vibe to her.
Not all the aliens who are interested in our planet and in being here are here to help us--there are many different agendas, according to the best whistleblower info available to us, and I think we would be foolish to ignore that.

[ghostrider]

I try not to look into the eyes of people , all my life they freak out because of my eye color , it makes me feel sorry for them ... they always say it 's like you can see right through me , they make a big deal and it gets everyone's attention , I prefer to be incognito , blend in and mind my own business ... secondly looking into the eyes of humanity , you can read where they've been and what they've been doing , and most of the time it isn't good , they say one thing and do the opposite and them drop the hammer on others who do exactly what they were doing , I avoid crowds at all cost ... My eyes are a see through blue , my wife calls it ice blue ... ET's back in the day would hide , these days they walk around in the wide open , as humanity now can handle the fact , we are not the center of the universe and have much to learn , now that we can honestly look in the mirror with eyes that see ... I've seen them standing there and poof the next second they are gone , it freaks out those with me , I know what it is , I just change the subject and let their own minds ponder and slowly accept what just happened ... it's there path , in their time , on their terms ...

[Roisin]

There's one here at this forum and I know that with absolute certainty. Of course I never would have guessed it before but it's funny how this thread pops up in this forum today when just a few days ago, I had a revelation about an experience I had one time of a being popping in one time in 2013 only to find that that entity is actually here posting in this forum. That member is either the host of that entity or it's the actual entity posing as a human.

[Flash]

There's one here at this forum and I know that with absolute certainty. Of course I never would have guessed it before but it's funny how this thread pops up in this forum today when just a few days ago, I had a revelation about an experience I had one time of a being popping in one time in 2013 only to find that that entity is actually here posting in this forum. That member is either the host of that entity or it's the actual entity posing as a human.

Apart from Simon Parkes who claims to be 2/3 alien, I would very much like to know who that member is;), but i do not want to start gossiping about it lolllllllllllllllll(I am much too curious on average lol)

[Roisin]

:tape: :bolt:

[DeeMetrios]

I am sorry 8, but this way of judging people you cross as being ETs or not seems absolutely silly to me
me too ...

[jackovesk]

How to spot the aliens that walk among us..???

Its quite simple really...:noidea:

How..?

Telepathy that's How...:yes4:

Theory:

When you spot one, ((Focus you Minds EyE)) to theirs and ask a very simple question;


http://cdn2-b.examiner.com/sites/default/files/styles/square_thumb_small/hash/ce/e1/cee13f68eb54dbf9a76c190a98dadb6d.JPG?itok=5dXAIpOc

"Are you from another planet?"

They 'Key' is to ((Listen-Intently)) for any kind of acknowledgement or response...:yes4:

&

If you receive any kind of (Ackowledgemnt &/or Response) you will know your onto something...:wizard:

That's it in a Nut-Shell, I know it works because I have proved it on many occasions whilst on my daily walks..:yes4:

[Roisin]

Or OBE's or materializations.

[RunningDeer]

There's one here at this forum and I know that with absolute certainty. Of course I never would have guessed it before but it's funny how this thread pops up in this forum today when just a few days ago, I had a revelation about an experience I had one time of a being popping in one time in 2013 only to find that that entity is actually here posting in this forum. That member is either the host of that entity or it's the actual entity posing as a human.


It's XYZ. I'm sure he will deny it though.... adamantly. This is not a joke.


I would not want another to place their label on me.

For one thing, it is for each of us to discover in our own time and comfort level. For some, coming out in such a public manner may cause psychological harm.

Most importantly, it’s my personal decision and mine alone to make as to whether I’m prepared share that information in such a pubic way.

Respectfully,
RunningDeer <3

UPDATE: Hi Roisin, I see that you've deleted the name/post. Much, much appreciation. ox

I'll delete above as well. Can Flash or a Mod delete the name from Flash's post, too? Or any posts that pertains to this topic.

[Flash]

There's one here at this forum and I know that with absolute certainty. Of course I never would have guessed it before but it's funny how this thread pops up in this forum today when just a few days ago, I had a revelation about an experience I had one time of a being popping in one time in 2013 only to find that that entity is actually here posting in this forum. That member is either the host of that entity or it's the actual entity posing as a human.


It's xy. I'm suz re he will deny it though.... adamantly. This is not a joke.

I would not want another to place their label on me.

For one thing, it is for each of us to discover in our own time and comfort level. For some, coming out in such a public manner may cause psychological harm.

Most importantly, it’s my personal decision and mine alone to make as to whether I’m prepared share that information in such a pubic way.

Respectfully,
RunningDeer <3

you know Roisin, I am born here from a mom and a dad and know my ancestry for hundreds of years back, all farmers and fur traders, etc. Yet, i have piercing eyes when in shape and I am fast enough in my mind. A regular human being who likes life and had enough difficulties in life to want to be happy and not mind the small stuff.

Yet, because i am not always in the drama of others (altough much to often still to my taste), some do think I am not "normal" and maybe ET. Well, if I am, it is the soul, because everything seems human to me.

I would not judge someone from their behaviors or my own interpreration.

However, yes, as Jackovest says, an ET would be telepatic most of the time and it is definitely the path I would use to decipher, knowing very well that some will block any telepatic communication not to be detected, and that i have to pay attention because i am not used to telepatic communications. And then, there is this whole array of different human beings who have an array of problems that makes them seem like ET, starting with some forms of autism, going to other neurological disorders and finally to physical disorders.

If XYZ is denying, I will let him with this, but if he is an ET, please XYZ, sent me a pm.

[Roisin]

Ok, I will do that but first need to retrieve a bit of evidence I have on this. Give me a hour and I'll PM you.

[RunningDeer]

There's one here at this forum and I know that with absolute certainty. Of course I never would have guessed it before but it's funny how this thread pops up in this forum today when just a few days ago, I had a revelation about an experience I had one time of a being popping in one time in 2013 only to find that that entity is actually here posting in this forum. That member is either the host of that entity or it's the actual entity posing as a human.


It's XYZ. I'm sure he will deny it though.... adamantly. This is not a joke.

I would not want another to place their label on me.

For one thing, it is for each of us to discover in our own time and comfort level. For some, coming out in such a public manner may cause psychological harm.

Most importantly, it’s my personal decision and mine alone to make as to whether I’m prepared share that information in such a pubic way.

Respectfully,
RunningDeer <3

you know Roisin, I am born here from a mom and a dad and know my ancestry for hundreds of years back, all farmers and fur traders, etc. Yet, i have piercing eyes when in shape and I am fast enough in my mind. A regular human being who likes life and had enough difficulties in life to want to be happy and not mind the small stuff.

Yet, because i am not always in the drama of others (altough much to often still to my taste), some do think I am not "normal" and maybe ET. Well, if I am, it is the soul, because everything seems human to me.

I would not judge someone from their behaviors or my own interpreration.

However, yes, as Jackovest says, an ET would be telepatic most of the time and it is definitely the path I would use to decipher, knowing very well that some will block any telepatic communication not to be detected, and that i have to pay attention because i am not used to telepatic communications. And then, there is this whole array of different human beings who have an array of problems that makes them seem like ET, starting with some forms of autism, going to other neurological disorders and finally to physical disorders.

If XYZ is denying, I will let him with this, but if he is an ET, please XYZ, sent me a pm.
Flash are you able and/or willing to delete the person's name from my quoted message? What I did was to replace the name with "XYZ". Or a simpler way is to delete the quoted parts of your post.

Thanks in advance,
Paula <3

[Wind]

So there are humanoid looking ET's who are walking amongst us then there are us ET souls with these human bodies. Personally I can hold eye contact only for a brief moment at a time, there is too much sensory overload for me. Of course there sometimes are eyes which are mesmerizing and I almost get hypnotized just by lookig at them, but I don't want to look for too long because it might be interpreted wrongly.

Though it's not the same thing with animals, I could look at them for countless of hours at a time. The eyes are the mirror of the soul and "the supreme being is looking from behind every eyes"...

[RunningDeer]

If XYZ is denying, I will let him with this, but if he is an ET, please XYZ, sent me a pm.
Flash are you able and/or willing to delete the person's name from my quoted message? What I did was to replace the name with "XYZ". Or a simpler way is to delete the quoted parts of your post.

Thanks in advance,
Paula <3

http://avalonlibrary.net/paula/Recovered/breaka_Flash_zpsf02977fe.JPGhttp://avalonlibrary.net/paula/Recovered/elvis_zps705f5625.JPG

[Flash]

done................





There's one here at this forum and I know that with absolute certainty. Of course I never would have guessed it before but it's funny how this thread pops up in this forum today when just a few days ago, I had a revelation about an experience I had one time of a being popping in one time in 2013 only to find that that entity is actually here posting in this forum. That member is either the host of that entity or it's the actual entity posing as a human.


It's XYZ. I'm sure he will deny it though.... adamantly. This is not a joke.

I would not want another to place their label on me.

For one thing, it is for each of us to discover in our own time and comfort level. For some, coming out in such a public manner may cause psychological harm.

Most importantly, it’s my personal decision and mine alone to make as to whether I’m prepared share that information in such a pubic way.

Respectfully,
RunningDeer <3

you know Roisin, I am born here from a mom and a dad and know my ancestry for hundreds of years back, all farmers and fur traders, etc. Yet, i have piercing eyes when in shape and I am fast enough in my mind. A regular human being who likes life and had enough difficulties in life to want to be happy and not mind the small stuff.

Yet, because i am not always in the drama of others (altough much to often still to my taste), some do think I am not "normal" and maybe ET. Well, if I am, it is the soul, because everything seems human to me.

I would not judge someone from their behaviors or my own interpreration.

However, yes, as Jackovest says, an ET would be telepatic most of the time and it is definitely the path I would use to decipher, knowing very well that some will block any telepatic communication not to be detected, and that i have to pay attention because i am not used to telepatic communications. And then, there is this whole array of different human beings who have an array of problems that makes them seem like ET, starting with some forms of autism, going to other neurological disorders and finally to physical disorders.

If XYZ is denying, I will let him with this, but if he is an ET, please XYZ, sent me a pm.
Flash are you able and/or willing to delete the person's name from my quoted message? What I did was to replace the name with "XYZ". Or a simpler way is to delete the quoted parts of your post.

Thanks in advance,
Paula <3

[Roisin]

Here's the intelligence that showed up that I am connecting to that individual. I did a sketch of that being immediately after I saw it.

http://i932.photobucket.com/albums/ad164/A99_x/q97ykfep-1.jpg

It seemed completely benevolent and for some reason, it had a semi-transparent cloth over its eyes. It actually materialized in front of me. The being itself was not transparent.

[shadowstalker]

I find this post fascinating considering most folks don't like looking into my eyes, or when they do, they totally wig out on me weeks later. Especially females.

[Rollo]

This thread is very interesting!

Apart from an eye contact that we are not sure if it is the right method to know if the being is alien to this planet.
It seems that our general feeling around this beings is good indicator and we should trust it more.
I guess some alien visitors are capable to fake their state to suit the situation.

Anyway would be great to know how to spot them to start doing our own exchange of information.
To know them better and don't leave it to the "ruling elite" and the guys from alphabet agency.

Rollo

[Rich]

It's considered impolite not to look someone into the eyes once in a while were l live esp in job Interviews you should maintain eye contact.

[Frank V]

When people break eye contact, it is not necessarily out of fear. It's just that eye contact (of any kind) can be very intense and induces a momentary shyness - a sense of vulnerability or exposure, or both. It's a normal neuro-psychological response to turn away, and especially so even among people on the autism spectrum, such as myself.


Hi Aragorn and thanks for sharing.:)

Your quote here is still just a thought, like all the thoughts that makes us do "ALL" the things we do.
You of course are entitled to your view as we all are..

I am sorry but you are wrong about that. A lack of (sustained) eye contact among people on the autism spectrum is listed in the DSM-IV and the new DSM-5, and the explanation for this is as I gave it, namely that it is a neuro-psychological reaction. Being on the spectrum myself, I can fully corroborate with that.


Thanks for your respons Aragorn..:)


You of course are entitled to your view as we all are

And you answered "You are wrong" I obviously have no right to my own view!??

Of course you do. But there is a distinct difference between an opinion and factual evidence based upon many years of (still ongoing) research.

[Agape]

Some healers can see that , more precisely those who are good diagnostics . Xray vision and other types of ( real ) good insight . Even some old style MDs have this because they have seen thousands of people and are focused on the 'inside' of you rather than 'outside' .
Also , if you are in family ..and have parents or siblings, at least one of them - the one with closer bounds will know it or see it even if they're refusing it, intellectually and out worldly , at the same time .

It's hard to say 'how they see it' because I've happened to experienced the phenomenon always from the other observation end , at the end .
I did not understand myself fully , as kid and growing up and even when I thought I did ,
I still had independent psychics, healers and doctors telling me I don't look from deep inside as human being and there's something entirely different about me and not what I think it is.
I did not understand what they mean at that time . The curious thing about it is that some of the best healers are out worldly , very 'earthy ' typed humans , well grounded people ..yet .. they can see things , even things they have no idea about and they see them straight .

But , they usually need to have the 'object' in front of them . If these 'experiments' are done on distance there's quite large number of failures coming in.

There may be physical features that depend on nature of the particular ET race . The reason why any ET can hide so well here is because mankind is so variable ..








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[<8>]

When people break eye contact, it is not necessarily out of fear. It's just that eye contact (of any kind) can be very intense and induces a momentary shyness - a sense of vulnerability or exposure, or both. It's a normal neuro-psychological response to turn away, and especially so even among people on the autism spectrum, such as myself.


Hi Aragorn and thanks for sharing.:)

Your quote here is still just a thought, like all the thoughts that makes us do "ALL" the things we do.
You of course are entitled to your view as we all are..

I am sorry but you are wrong about that. A lack of (sustained) eye contact among people on the autism spectrum is listed in the DSM-IV and the new DSM-5, and the explanation for this is as I gave it, namely that it is a neuro-psychological reaction. Being on the spectrum myself, I can fully corroborate with that.


Thanks for your respons Aragorn..:)


You of course are entitled to your view as we all are

And you answered "You are wrong" I obviously have no right to my own view!??

Of course you do. But there is a distinct difference between an opinion and factual evidence based upon many years of (still ongoing) research.



That's your point of view..:)

[Frank V]

When people break eye contact, it is not necessarily out of fear. It's just that eye contact (of any kind) can be very intense and induces a momentary shyness - a sense of vulnerability or exposure, or both. It's a normal neuro-psychological response to turn away, and especially so even among people on the autism spectrum, such as myself.

Hi Aragorn and thanks for sharing.:)

Your quote here is still just a thought, like all the thoughts that makes us do "ALL" the things we do. You of course are entitled to your view as we all are..

I am sorry but you are wrong about that. A lack of (sustained) eye contact among people on the autism spectrum is listed in the DSM-IV and the new DSM-5, and the explanation for this is as I gave it, namely that it is a neuro-psychological reaction. Being on the spectrum myself, I can fully corroborate with that.

Thanks for your respons Aragorn..:)


You of course are entitled to your view as we all are

And you answered "You are wrong" I obviously have no right to my own view!??

Of course you do. But there is a distinct difference between an opinion and factual evidence based upon many years of (still ongoing) research.

That's your point of view..:)

So you are saying that decades of neurological and psychological research, in combination with my own corroboration as an autistic individual (with a non-human albeit humanoid soul) on account of my reasons for avoiding prolonged eye contact are in fact all wrong, because your own opinion is that beings whose souls are not from Earth do not avoid eye contact while Earth-bound humans do, and that's it?

I'm sorry, but if you're going to be investigating an issue by way of an open discussion, then you're going to have to do better than dismissing scientifically and empirically proven facts as just somebody's personal opinion. It's dishonest, because it leaves the door open for dismissing everyone's posts on the subject at hand as being mere personal opinions, so that you can regard your own opinion as dogma.

[PurpleLama]

Here's the intelligence that showed up that I am connecting to that individual. I did a sketch of that being immediately after I saw it.

http://i932.photobucket.com/albums/ad164/A99_x/q97ykfep-1.jpg

It seemed completely benevolent and for some reason, it had a semi-transparent cloth over its eyes. It actually materialized in front of me. The being itself was not transparent.

Projections like that as often as not are coming directly from ourselves. It is possible such a thing was pointing out that you are blinded somehow, in some way you can't see. Look at yourself and ask, what could you be missing? I see sh!t all the time, and mostly I learn from it. The excited response that comes from believing every little thing is some ED/ET encounter is exactly what would shut down the contact if it actually were an ET/ED encounter. See? So much of our psychic environment is of similar substance of dreams, and speaks through the same language of symbol, so it may be a worthy endeavor to analyze it as such.

Not picking on you, more of a public service announcement that happened to use you and your picture here as an example.

[Flash]

When people break eye contact, it is not necessarily out of fear. It's just that eye contact (of any kind) can be very intense and induces a momentary shyness - a sense of vulnerability or exposure, or both. It's a normal neuro-psychological response to turn away, and especially so even among people on the autism spectrum, such as myself.

Hi Aragorn and thanks for sharing.:)

Your quote here is still just a thought, like all the thoughts that makes us do "ALL" the things we do. You of course are entitled to your view as we all are..

I am sorry but you are wrong about that. A lack of (sustained) eye contact among people on the autism spectrum is listed in the DSM-IV and the new DSM-5, and the explanation for this is as I gave it, namely that it is a neuro-psychological reaction. Being on the spectrum myself, I can fully corroborate with that.

Thanks for your respons Aragorn..:)


You of course are entitled to your view as we all are

And you answered "You are wrong" I obviously have no right to my own view!??

Of course you do. But there is a distinct difference between an opinion and factual evidence based upon many years of (still ongoing) research.

That's your point of view..:)

So you are saying that decades of neurological and psychological research, in combination with my own corroboration as an autistic individual (with a non-human albeit humanoid soul) on account of my reasons for avoiding prolonged eye contact are in fact all wrong, because your own opinion is that beings whose souls are not from Earth do not avoid eye contact while Earth-bound humans do, and that's it?

I'm sorry, but if you're going to be investigating an issue by way of an open discussion, then you're going to have to do better than dismissing scientifically and empirically proven facts as just somebody's personal opinion. It's dishonest, because it leaves the door open for dismissing everyone's posts on the subject at hand as being mere personal opinions, so that you can regard your own opinion as dogma.

You and I Aragorn both know that eye contact is different for people with neurological impairments or with people from different cultures Africans from Erythria for example cannot look at a person in authority in the eyes at all. When in Canada, they are told by immigration officers to look in peoples eyes if they want to get jobs, and yet, they have problems to do it, it is so ingrained in the culture.

I saw one woman looking at me trying to make eye contact with her eyes while her whole head would turn away sideways, she had to bring the head back, it was that difficult - i was in authority in her mind and she would not look at me in the eyes. I saw a manager blasting one of her employee because she would not look at her into her eyes, to discover that the employee was Asian and could not, in her culture, out of respect, look into a Superior's eye.

So please 8, base your analysis on something else than eye contacts - this is silly and does not look good on you if you maintain something that has been proven wrong again and again. Eye contact avoidance does not mean ETs.

And please, do take our experience into it as valid, not as an opinion, but as valid factually based. Stop insulting our intelligence by saying "it is your opinion".

If you want all the data of research into it, for cultural behaviors, look at the research done by Dr Geer Hofstede, adviser to the UN in the matter, (Google it) you will find it on the internet.

For autism and neurological impairment versus eye contact, Google "eye contact and autism" and you will have thousands of research articles.

So stop playing the "it is your opinion" game please.

[Sidney]

[QUOTE=Sidney;861567]This is an imprtant topic. But i feel there is a huge grey area. Not all is black and white. Beware of the epidemic of sociopathy of today. A sociopath is known to give long uninterrupted stares to maintain control over someone.
This has nothing to do with fear. It is about identification of a species. I was however married to a sociopath and i know for fact from that experience and from research that the stare is a control mechanism for sociopaths. I just dont want people to confuse the two when trying to make a id of an otherworldly. I happen to think that basing an id from a long unbroken eye contact is irresponsible and that there could be other characteristics that need to be paid attention to.


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[Frank V]

You and I Aragorn both know that eye contact is different for people with neurological impairments or with people from different cultures Africans from Erythria for example cannot look at a person in authority in the eyes at all. When in Canada, they are told by immigration officers to look in peoples eyes if they want to get jobs, and yet, they have problems to do it, it is so ingrained in the culture.

I saw one woman looking at me trying to make eye contact with her eyes while her whole head would turn away sideways, she had to bring the head back, it was that difficult - i was in authority in her mind and she would not look at me in the eyes. I saw a manager blasting one of her employee because she would not look at her into her eyes, to discover that the employee was Asian and could not, in her culture, out of respect, look into a Superior's eye.

[...]


Indeed, Flash, and I would also like to point at the video of Bill Ryan in which he explains that at least the reptilians whom the US military are dealing with will react very violently towards someone who looks at them directly, not to mention establishing eye contact. Said person would surely end up as a quick snack in between for those particular reptilians, because they regard themselves as royalty and expect to be treated as such by everyone in the universe.

The first part of that video interview can be found here, as well as on the main Avalon Forum page:

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[<8>]

When people break eye contact, it is not necessarily out of fear. It's just that eye contact (of any kind) can be very intense and induces a momentary shyness - a sense of vulnerability or exposure, or both. It's a normal neuro-psychological response to turn away, and especially so even among people on the autism spectrum, such as myself.

Hi Aragorn and thanks for sharing.:)

Your quote here is still just a thought, like all the thoughts that makes us do "ALL" the things we do. You of course are entitled to your view as we all are..

I am sorry but you are wrong about that. A lack of (sustained) eye contact among people on the autism spectrum is listed in the DSM-IV and the new DSM-5, and the explanation for this is as I gave it, namely that it is a neuro-psychological reaction. Being on the spectrum myself, I can fully corroborate with that.

Thanks for your respons Aragorn..:)


You of course are entitled to your view as we all are

And you answered "You are wrong" I obviously have no right to my own view!??

Of course you do. But there is a distinct difference between an opinion and factual evidence based upon many years of (still ongoing) research.

That's your point of view..:)

So you are saying that decades of neurological and psychological research, in combination with my own corroboration as an autistic individual (with a non-human albeit humanoid soul) on account of my reasons for avoiding prolonged eye contact are in fact all wrong, because your own opinion is that beings whose souls are not from Earth do not avoid eye contact while Earth-bound humans do, and that's it?

I'm sorry, but if you're going to be investigating an issue by way of an open discussion, then you're going to have to do better than dismissing scientifically and empirically proven facts as just somebody's personal opinion. It's dishonest, because it leaves the door open for dismissing everyone's posts on the subject at hand as being mere personal opinions, so that you can regard your own opinion as dogma.




Hi Aragorn...


I like you to know that I am grateful for your effort to explain how you see things, and I really respect you for that.
The question is, are you capable of respecting my point of view?

[Frank V]

Hi Aragorn...

I like you to know that I am grateful for your effort to explain how you see things, and I really respect you for that.
The question is, are you capable of respecting my point of view?

I respect you as a person, and I respect that you want to have an opinion about something. I do however reserve the right to regard your opinion in this particular matter as superficial and unrealistic, especially when you write off both the many decades of psychological and neurological research on the one hand and a personal experience from an autistic person - myself - on the other hand as being "merely an opinion".

[Flash]

Aragorn was not personal regarding your point of view 8, neither was I (or even maybe was I a bit)

It is pure logic here, based on research, no emotions in it neither disrespect

You see, 8, you are talking from the premises of point of view, which is necessarily subjective, and we are talkinf of facts, based on observations and research, which are supposedly objective. The primer carries emotions, the latter tries to get rid of them.

However, in a greater view of the universe, everything is objective and subjective at the same time, but the discussion here is not at this level. If it were, we would be talking of brothers all ones with us, in aliens.

[<8>]

Hi Aragorn...

I like you to know that I am grateful for your effort to explain how you see things, and I really respect you for that.
The question is, are you capable of respecting my point of view?

I respect that you want to have an opinion about something.


You either respect my opinion or you don't, that doesn't mean you have to accept it or have to agree with it in anyway.

I like you to know Aragorn that I am dropping this matter now, as we all have to move on with things..
I hope you find what you are looking for..:)

[Billy]

And to respond to the thread, in my understanding, we are all aliens to this earth!

This is my understanding also.

When i look at another human or non human, I see a whole universe.

peace

[Frank V]

Hi Aragorn...

I like you to know that I am grateful for your effort to explain how you see things, and I really respect you for that.
The question is, are you capable of respecting my point of view?

I respect that you want to have an opinion about something.

You either respect my opinion or you don't, that doesn't mean you have to accept it or have to agree with it in anyway.

Please don't play mind games. You had my reply, but you snipped out the following words from it...


I do however reserve the right to regard your opinion in this particular matter as superficial and unrealistic, especially when you write off both the many decades of psychological and neurological research on the one hand and a personal experience from an autistic person - myself - on the other hand as being "merely an opinion".

... and by snipping that section, you are insulting everybody's intelligence.



I like you to know Aragorn that I am dropping this matter now, as we all have to move on with things..
I hope you find what you are looking for..:)

Do you have any idea how condescending that remark sounds? Besides, it would seem to me, <8>, that you are the one here looking for something.

I was only offering a sound and scientifically proven explanation - corroborated by at least two other participants in this thread - which you chose to dismiss as a mere personal opinion.

[Kindling]

I don't see <8> being condescending to you or the others who are trying to force him to agree with you. I'm not sure I understand why it's so important to you for him to understand just how *right* you are and how *wrong* he is. This is turning out to be a very interesting discussion but it looks like it's going to be interrupted now with this conflict.

[Rich]

Who is to judge what fact is and opinion...
I think everyone, at least in my opinion.

[Frank V]

I don't see <8> being condescending to you or the others who are trying to force him to agree with you.

Nobody is forcing him to agree with us. He himself on the other hand does seem to dismiss the comments of those who do not agree with him as mere opinions, even when they are scientifically established facts.

The condescending is in his wording. I agree that it is subtle, but it is definitely there.



I'm not sure I understand why it's so important to you for him to understand just how *right* you are and how *wrong* he is.


It isn't, but just in case you haven't noticed, each of my replies were direct replies to posts from him in which he insists on his own opinion being The Truth ™ and anything which contradicts it to be merely "somebody's personal opinion". And yet he continues to insist that am only expressing a personal opinion, without providing any irrefutable evidence to corroborate his claim.



This is turning out to be a very interesting discussion but it looks like it's going to be interrupted now with this conflict.

Then please see things for what they are, instead of trying to add to the conflict.

[Agape]

It's your minds not your eyes who is watching you ;)

[Snowflower]

The DSM 4 and 5 must ignore culture then. In many Native American cultures it is really rude to look directly into someone's eyes. So, are the oh so eminent psychiatrists of the world suggesting that Injuns are insane?

[Agape]

The DSM 4 and 5 must ignore culture then. In many Native American cultures it is really rude to look directly into someone's eyes. So, are the oh so eminent psychiatrists of the world suggesting that Injuns are insane?

I doubt that those cultures had so many forms of mental disorder as this sort of orwellian society subscribes to but maybe they feared wilderness ..

in animal kingdom starring to someones eyes for too long can be dangerous and even brief eye contact may be interpreted as provocation.

If you send loving kindness through your eyes .. it's whole another matter . Generally, it does not require more than few seconds .


Now, close your eyes everybody ;) ( meant in jest )

[<8>]

Hi Aragorn...

I like you to know that I am grateful for your effort to explain how you see things, and I really respect you for that.
The question is, are you capable of respecting my point of view?

I respect that you want to have an opinion about something.

You either respect my opinion or you don't, that doesn't mean you have to accept it or have to agree with it in anyway.

Please don't play mind games. You had my reply, but you snipped out the following words from it...


I do however reserve the right to regard your opinion in this particular matter as superficial and unrealistic, especially when you write off both the many decades of psychological and neurological research on the one hand and a personal experience from an autistic person - myself - on the other hand as being "merely an opinion".

... and by snipping that section, you are insulting everybody's intelligence.



I like you to know Aragorn that I am dropping this matter now, as we all have to move on with things..
I hope you find what you are looking for..:)

Do you have any idea how condescending that remark sounds? Besides, it would seem to me, <8>, that you are the one here looking for something.

I was only offering a sound and scientifically proven explanation - corroborated by at least two other participants in this thread - which you chose to dismiss as a mere personal opinion.




Hi Aragorn



I can feel your hurt, so I want to apologize for causing it.
I can sense my rejection and dropping this matter are causing you pain, this is my fault! I'm sorry.
I was hoping I could make you see my point of view, and I pushed you too far! I am sorry Aragorn.
I can see that you believe everything you say is true, I am truly happy for you!

I want to say I love you Aragorn a thousand times or more!

If I could reach out my hand to you right now, would you reject it?

[DeDukshyn]

It's certainly not black and white. If I act very lovingly and choose not to break eye contact (which is easy for me), I don't suddenly turn into an ET ... but maybe I am already and just don't know it? ;)

That said, there is this lady I work with I end up in weird "eye locks" with - its a bit weird because almost no one else will do this with me. Sometimes I wonder about her ;)

[Frank V]

Hi Aragorn...

I like you to know that I am grateful for your effort to explain how you see things, and I really respect you for that.
The question is, are you capable of respecting my point of view?

I respect that you want to have an opinion about something.

You either respect my opinion or you don't, that doesn't mean you have to accept it or have to agree with it in anyway.

Please don't play mind games. You had my reply, but you snipped out the following words from it...


I do however reserve the right to regard your opinion in this particular matter as superficial and unrealistic, especially when you write off both the many decades of psychological and neurological research on the one hand and a personal experience from an autistic person - myself - on the other hand as being "merely an opinion".

... and by snipping that section, you are insulting everybody's intelligence.



I like you to know Aragorn that I am dropping this matter now, as we all have to move on with things..
I hope you find what you are looking for..:)

Do you have any idea how condescending that remark sounds? Besides, it would seem to me, <8>, that you are the one here looking for something.

I was only offering a sound and scientifically proven explanation - corroborated by at least two other participants in this thread - which you chose to dismiss as a mere personal opinion.




Hi Aragorn



I can feel your hurt, so I want to apologize for causing it.
I can sense my rejection and dropping this matter are causing you pain, this is my fault! I'm sorry.
I was hoping I could make you see my point of view, and I pushed you too far! I am sorry Aragorn.
I can see that you believe everything you say is true, I am truly happy for you!



It wasn't that I felt hurt. I just felt that you were being dishonest in your debating tactic.



I want to say I love you Aragorn a thousand times or more!

If I could reach out my hand to you right now, would you reject it?

I will never reject a hand offered in friendship from a good person, and I offer mine in return.

[kemo]

Just thought I'd share with you guys ... don't try any of this eye contact stuff on winos, OK? They definitely don't like it and I don't think it's because they take you for an ET.

[Frank V]

Just thought I'd share with you guys ... don't try any of this eye contact stuff on winos, OK? They definitely don't like it and I don't think it's because they take you for an ET.

A very long time ago - back in 1997 - I was at an establishment where a woman caught my eye while she was dancing with the manager, whom I knew pretty well. However, only a few degrees to the right of that dancing woman sat a guy who was obviously high on cocaine, and he started staring at me, believing that I had been looking at him. I felt his stare and briefly glanced at him. He immediately jumped up from his barstool, and in an frantic manner started threatening me. "Don't look at me! I'm telling you not to look at me!", his eyes very wide open.

I was trying to avoid trouble - I could smell that he was definitely looking for it - so I didn't look him in the face and I calmly tried to tell him "I wasn't looking at you. I was looking at that woman", but before I could complete my sentence, he grabbed me by the shoulder and head-butted me, right on the side of my head. His friend immediately pulled him off of me and told me "Don't try going in against him. He'll finish you off." I wasn't going to go in against him. I was seeing stars, hearing tweetie birds and spitting out chips from three of my lower teeth. I also had a concussion and a pain in my neck.

As for the woman I was looking at, I found out later from the manager that she was a prostitute. Moral of the story: never stare at dancing prostitutes. :p

[RunningDeer]

I will never reject a hand offered in friendship from a good person, and I offer mine in return.

Beautiful poetry, Aragorn. Made my heart smile.

RunningDeer <3

[<8>]

Hi guys...


I was thinking about telepathy, as was pointed out in this thread thank you very much...:)

I were listening to this video a late night some time ago.

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And when it was done, I became aware that I mentally were questioning the whole thing.
And I recall it became more intense because I could not accept we were all one, I remember standing up and saying out loud.
"So there are just a lot of me running around out there!!??"

I were truly upset at this point and I did not agree, I were shaking my head as I walked out to the balcony.
As I looked up, there were a space ship just hanging silent over the next rooftop, not far away at all.
And after a moment I was thinking, dang it's the real deal. And with that thought it just lighted up and went straight up.
And the light were bright as lightning, I looked around for anyone else and nothing.

The funny thing, I never question the experience by asking myself who am I really talking to.

Any thoughts??

[RunningDeer]

I only listened to half the video. There are a lot of topics covered. One of which I can share. I devoted a chunk of time in contemplation and practice from teachers such as Ramana Maharshi and Nisargadatta Maharaj. One goal was to experience from the greater perspective. This is a practical application I’ve written about:

Summer, 2004

“Joe”, my brother was building his home. I helped from time to time. This one day he was adding plywood to the roof. He was in a foul mood. It was hot, and he was tired. Rather than be around the ranting, I asked for another job. He had me pick up the excess scraps of 2x4’s and plywood around the property.

I had been practicing how to move “out of time”, where I'd watch the body do it’s work in a rhythmic flow. No emotional attachment to the job or the result. I reported back to Joe. He couldn’t believe the job was done, but he could see the huge pile of wood. Joe had only laid two sheets of plywood. And as I write this I want to say maybe three sheets because it seems impossible for those two events to match up in a 3D world.

He asked how I could've gotten so much done. My response was that I got out of my own way. The body worked while a part of me watched on. Joe asked no more questions, and I knew to not to offer. My family knows I have “strange” beliefs and our thoughts about the world are different.

(That was 10 years ago, I've since shared some of my perceptions and what I've learned. They are opening sl..owl...y.)

RunningDeer <3

[RunningDeer]

To your question of telepathy or working with guides. Here’s another I’ve posted:

I had a heavy, oak butcher block table delivered years ago because it’d be too heavy to carry up to my second floor apartment. What I didn’t know was that I had to assemble and then turn it right side up.

It was top heavy. :moil: I'm glad I hadn't figured that out before I finished adding the legs.

I tried a system of pulleys. Hoisting inch by inch, sneaking another book to the already zig-zaggy pile. It continued to slide out from the little progress I made. Grrrrr!!! So, I put a call out to my ‘Guides’. And that butcher block almost lifted itself. I was only there to guide it.

I always want to add a qualifier to these kinds of accounts. Like it's okay if you don't believe me. Because if I wasn't right there in the struggle, I'd have trouble buying it.

Here's my point for reposting:

We've got potential. It’s good to tap into it even if in small ways, see it as "co-creation muscle building".

RunningDeer <3

[Roisin]

Here's the intelligence that showed up that I am connecting to that individual. I did a sketch of that being immediately after I saw it.

http://i932.photobucket.com/albums/ad164/A99_x/q97ykfep-1.jpg

It seemed completely benevolent and for some reason, it had a semi-transparent cloth over its eyes. It actually materialized in front of me. The being itself was not transparent.

Projections like that as often as not are coming directly from ourselves. It is possible such a thing was pointing out that you are blinded somehow, in some way you can't see. Look at yourself and ask, what could you be missing? I see sh!t all the time, and mostly I learn from it. The excited response that comes from believing every little thing is some ED/ET encounter is exactly what would shut down the contact if it actually were an ET/ED encounter. See? So much of our psychic environment is of similar substance of dreams, and speaks through the same language of symbol, so it may be a worthy endeavor to analyze it as such.

Not picking on you, more of a public service announcement that happened to use you and your picture here as an example.


Purple Lama,
Woo Hoo! Didn't see this post until just now and my initial response to it was that it's a bummer that you just made me the poster child for "Projections" (IOW's psychological hallucinations).

But now I'm thinking.... "hey! Why not ride along with it and rake in MILLIONS via lucrative product endorsements! So to whom it may concern... YES! I'm available to endorse your product in any short or long term marketing campaign!

Solong as it isn't a hemorrhoid ointment, I'm game on whatever product you want me to endorse and this is my official announcement on this! :p

[Roisin]

I deleted what I had here... which were a couple of images posted by other experiencers of those entities they saw in their encounters. Only had it up here temporarily to find out if Purple Lama is calling those entities in those images... "only projections" too.

[Roisin]

The DSM 4 and 5 must ignore culture then. In many Native American cultures it is really rude to look directly into someone's eyes. So, are the oh so eminent psychiatrists of the world suggesting that Injuns are insane?

Good point! And the fact remains also that many people are too shy to look at people directly in the eye when talking to them.

[Roisin]

More information about that sketch I drew that I posted here….

I saw that “entity” back in 2012 and a few days later I posted information about that encounter in a forum. Below is that post. (note: at that time I called it a Tall
White but in actuality, it was not that and some other kind of intelligence...)

Here's a link to that post.... http://www.theoutpostforum.com/tof/showthread.php?986-Another-Tall-White-Visitation


The other night I was visited by what looked like a full materialization of a Tall White that was wearing a red mask over its eyes. I have seen the backside of this, or another similar being, before in the past just as I was entering my bedroom one time where it was exiting via my walk-in closet. This happened last year a few months after my son saw what sounded like a Tall White that was standing next to a tree in his dad's back yard. He was looking out a window in his dad's house when he saw it.

But back to what happened a few nights ago. By the time I climbed into bed that night, I was already hearing those noises that I always hear whenever there are unseen presences around. Those who experience the same kind of thing know what I'm talking about. In this case though, there was also a low vibrating almost motor-like sound too ... hard to describe but this was not the first time I've ever heard something like that.

There was also an odor in the room that was gradually building up. It's a very unpleasant one that smells like rotting meat and I've experienced this kind of thing a number of times before in the past. But even though all of this was going on, I was not expecting anything to show up because most of the time nothing goes beyond what I just described above. And when that odor comes.. I just light up some incense and do a quick banishing prayer for everything to stop... and usually it does though it may take a half hour or a little longer till it does. But sometimes that odor will linger on for a lot longer so I've had that happen too but usually it stops after I do a banishing.

So I was laying there in bed, debating whether or not to jump back out and get an incense stick to light up on my night stand to get rid of it after doing a banishing. I was wide awake tossing and turning but I needed to get good nights sleep because I had a busy day ahead of me.

So I'm laying there on my side facing the wall where I then flip over to my other side that faces the door and just when I was doing that, when I opened my eyes, I saw a Tall White standing there by the side of my bed looking down at me where it then cocked its head to the side and then disappeared. It looked very solid... so much so, it did not look like anything I could put my hand through. But it was wearing a semi-transparent red cover over its eyes so I can't describe what they looked like for that reason though except that they looked slanted. I had a red light bulb in my lamp on the table next to my bed and it seemed like the covering over that beings eyes had taken on the color of the light of that lamp. It was not wearing anything... it was all white but I could detect what looked like a mouth. It also seemed to have a 'hair-do', that I could only see the outline of but, strangely enough, it looked like an old ladies kind of 'poof-do'. That's the first thing that came to my mind when I saw that.
Below is a sketch of it that I drew out later that same night. I only saw it for a few seconds but long enough to see some of its details.

http://i932.photobucket.com/albums/ad164/A99_x/q97ykfep-1.jpg


The first thing I said when I saw it was "OMG!“ It startled me, of course but everything happened so quickly, I didn't have time to really react but as soon as it disappeared, I sprang out of bed and lit up some incense... then I stayed up for the rest of the night where I finally turned back in again around 4 in the morning.


More on the covering over its eyes:
It looked like a semi-transparent fabric but it also looked like the area just below the ‘fabric’ that was over its eyes was smeared with red paint... and there were tiny red dots too. On the other hand, it could be that it was not paint at all ... maybe that part of its face was soaking in or reflecting the red light from the lamp which indicates that there was differentiation in the surface composition or texture between the area around its eyes and the rest of its face that remained just as white as the rest of it.

When it cocked its head to the side, it looked like it smiled. But what’s weird about this is that last year, a reptilian being popped in one night, just as I was walking into my bedroom where it too cocked its head the same way and smiled too.

So are they the same beings and is it some kind of shape-shifter that first showed up looking like a reptilian where it now is showing up looking like a Tall White? Or is it just a coincidence that both beings did the same thing when they popped in?

Also, I’ve never seen a Tall White in any of my lucid dreams or regular dreams for that matter or in any of mind’s eye visions while meditating. But because my son saw the same kind of being standing next to a tree last year which was the first time he had ever seen anything so out of the ordinary like that, one that he described as a tall “man” that was completely white, and because, since then, I’ve seen it twice, I think it’s connected in some way to both of us. However, having said this, I’m very frightened for my son because if he saw it one time... does that mean that he’s going to see it again sometime? But there are a lot of other things I’m concerned about too that I will not go into now.


It could be that it already knew that that one reptilian being cocked its head and smiled when it appeared to me that one time so “it”, the Tall White”, did the same thing perhaps to let me know that it knew what happened during that incident.

And just another thought about why it had it’s eye’s covered when it showed up the other night... it could be that it knew that it would frighten me too much if I saw its eyes hence why it had them covered. But another reason why it had them covered could mean that its eyes are very sensitive to red light.

Of course, the big question I’m asking about all of this is what’s going on here? What is the purpose of such visitations and what is the message they are trying to convey to me? In the meantime, because of this most recent visit, I will be keeping a loaded camera nearby just in case “it” shows up again. I will also be taking pics even if I sense it is around me at any given time.

I forgot to say that "it" seemed to be glowing from the inside.

One of the administrator’s of that forum, who has a Ph.D. in Clinical Psychology, had this to say about my post of that encounter:

“I have never had that happen but I can tell you that it is the response of a person to a real event, not just imagination. I have had things startle me and seen things for a second that were shadows, etc. but nothing terrifyingly non-human like that.”

[Agape]

Don't worry about it really ... these are some of the pictures I made .. they're not what they should be ..perhaps for the fact that they're about us , and I'm not a portraitist . I don't remember there's be any photography habit in that civilisation or that they'd draw pictures of themselves , actually .

So, they're but sketches ..

http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll256/PaldenLhamo/ET%20scans/100-0015.jpg (http://s290.photobucket.com/user/PaldenLhamo/media/ET%20scans/100-0015.jpg.html)http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll256/PaldenLhamo/ET%20scans/100-0016.jpg (http://s290.photobucket.com/user/PaldenLhamo/media/ET%20scans/100-0016.jpg.html)

This is another doddle I once made following a short encounter ..

http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll256/PaldenLhamo/ET%20scans/Obraz017.jpg (http://s290.photobucket.com/user/PaldenLhamo/media/ET%20scans/Obraz017.jpg.html)


I don't mind if people use them for their own research provided they also care about the nature of these beings who are very real, benevolent and non-human entities .


:angel:

[PurpleLama]

Here's the intelligence that showed up that I am connecting to that individual. I did a sketch of that being immediately after I saw it.

http://i932.photobucket.com/albums/ad164/A99_x/q97ykfep-1.jpg

It seemed completely benevolent and for some reason, it had a semi-transparent cloth over its eyes. It actually materialized in front of me. The being itself was not transparent.

Projections like that as often as not are coming directly from ourselves. It is possible such a thing was pointing out that you are blinded somehow, in some way you can't see. Look at yourself and ask, what could you be missing? I see sh!t all the time, and mostly I learn from it. The excited response that comes from believing every little thing is some ED/ET encounter is exactly what would shut down the contact if it actually were an ET/ED encounter. See? So much of our psychic environment is of similar substance of dreams, and speaks through the same language of symbol, so it may be a worthy endeavor to analyze it as such.

Not picking on you, more of a public service announcement that happened to use you and your picture here as an example.


Purple Lama,
Woo Hoo! Didn't see this post until just now and my initial response to it was that it's a bummer that you just made me the poster child for "Projections" (IOW's psychological hallucinations).

But now I'm thinking.... "hey! Why not ride along with it and rake in MILLIONS via lucrative product endorsements! So to whom it may concern... YES! I'm available to endorse your product in any short or long term marketing campaign!

Solong as it isn't a hemorrhoid ointment, I'm game on whatever product you want me to endorse and this is my official announcement on this! :p

I will only say, that perhaps what I mean by projection and what you mean by projection may well be two entirely different things. Speaking to the symbol contained within you picture, may have been more accurate that I initially thought, given your response....

[Roisin]

Thanks for posting those images Agape!
I think it really helps to sketch out what one see's. Good that you did that because a picture speaks a 1000's words. Much more than words can ever convey!

¤=[Post Update]=¤





Here's the intelligence that showed up that I am connecting to that individual. I did a sketch of that being immediately after I saw it.

http://i932.photobucket.com/albums/ad164/A99_x/q97ykfep-1.jpg

It seemed completely benevolent and for some reason, it had a semi-transparent cloth over its eyes. It actually materialized in front of me. The being itself was not transparent.

Projections like that as often as not are coming directly from ourselves. It is possible such a thing was pointing out that you are blinded somehow, in some way you can't see. Look at yourself and ask, what could you be missing? I see sh!t all the time, and mostly I learn from it. The excited response that comes from believing every little thing is some ED/ET encounter is exactly what would shut down the contact if it actually were an ET/ED encounter. See? So much of our psychic environment is of similar substance of dreams, and speaks through the same language of symbol, so it may be a worthy endeavor to analyze it as such.

Not picking on you, more of a public service announcement that happened to use you and your picture here as an example.


Purple Lama,
Woo Hoo! Didn't see this post until just now and my initial response to it was that it's a bummer that you just made me the poster child for "Projections" (IOW's psychological hallucinations).

But now I'm thinking.... "hey! Why not ride along with it and rake in MILLIONS via lucrative product endorsements! So to whom it may concern... YES! I'm available to endorse your product in any short or long term marketing campaign!

Solong as it isn't a hemorrhoid ointment, I'm game on whatever product you want me to endorse and this is my official announcement on this! :p

I will only say, that perhaps what I mean by projection and what you mean by projection may well be two entirely different things. Speaking to the symbol contained within you picture, may have been more accurate that I initially thought, given your response....


"Given my response"? I have a right to defend myself when someone is using a sketch of what I saw and then calling the entity in it a projection.

By saying that it was a projection, you are also implying that the entity that I saw was "not real".

That's how I interpreted that.... and the rest of what you said in that post supports that contention too.

[PurpleLama]

thank you for your proferred forgiveness, I accept. It saved me from finding an image of Tibbex to offer to you, so you could be a poster child after all.

All jokes aside, it is a mistake of modern science to find pathos within the realm of personal experience, everything carries weight and meaning, regardless if another person does or even can share the same interpretation or experience of a given event in consciousness.

You pointed out Lorgen and Parkes, wondering if I would challenge them to be found having hallucinations. No, I wouldn't, and were I to accuse you of same, I would say hallucination not projection. Yet, I would not use the word hallucination, as it carries a meaning of *not real* when everything that can be thought or perceived is real, too often in ways that cannot be shared by the ordinary senses. If I have my own contact and experiences, and one comes along with their own contact and experiences, and what I have learned from mine contradicts what they profess of theirs, what would be the wise course of action for me? In most cases, to not engage, to leave well enough alone. Perhaps my time for leaving well enough alone is drawing to a close, and I am resisting the pull to speak out. Who knows?

Nevertheless, my initial post to you, Roisin, was to point out that most things have a symbolic meaning beyond the literal ones, so if a being appears to you wearing a veil over its eyes, there might be an invitation for you to open your mind and see through something you didn't before, or that you might be missing something right in front of your face. It was not my intent to criticize you with such an illustration, but you taking it the way you did actually showed what I was pointing at, so striving to be more objective with yourself and with what you see may well be in order. That is good advice for me, too, and for everyone.

[Roisin]

Ok... whatever...

[Roisin]

Thanks for your clarification.... I had no issues with your thoughts on what that cover on its eye's was all about and who knows? You could be right.
I've already commented on what you had in the rest of that post though so I will not repeat everything here in this one.