Some of my Experiences (UFOs, ETs, US gov)

[Omni]

I have been through so many mind blowing or outrageously hard experiences. I think it's important for me to document them if I can remember them(it is part of earth history), and also some people here may find some interesting reading perhaps. My case is unlike any I've heard of from other contactees or targeted individuals. For whatever reason this lifetime they(US gov, both sides of ETs) decided to hit me extremely hard with experiences, tortures, subversions, etc. I will be creating a new thread explaining my contact eventually. I am finding it very very hard to write because of subversive AI elements that interfere with me etc...

Anyway I'll start with the time some of my ET contacts showed me one of their ships up close in I believe was 2008..

I was in Aloha, Oregon on a cloudy day walking down the street, this was early on in my contact when I was speaking to all sorts of AI aspects being thrown at me. Anyway, I was telepathically asked if I wanted to see a ship. I of course said yes. They said "Look up". I looked up and was surprised to see a black exotic looking ship under some very low clouds. Silently flowing by at a very low speed in broad daylight pretty close up. The only way I can describe it is a black exotic ship with sleek woman curves all over it. I have tried to draw it but I fail horribly and it ends up just looking like a black cloud. lol.
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Another time ETs showed me their ship was supposedly Andromedans(I have yet to hear from them in years). They asked me again if I wanted to see their ship. "YES :)" They asked permission to take control of my eyes to point them in the proper area of the sky, knowing them I said yes. They took control of my eyes and made me look up to a region of the sky, and suddenly a streak of blue light flys out of our atmosphere.
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I'll explain the first time I saw an extraterrestrial. There were these woods near one of my old places in Aloha/Beaverton, Oregon, named the "Whispering Woods". For some reason I used to be drawn to them at the darkest times of the night. I used to fear being in the woods in the dark. During these times I was in ways working on conquering my fear, and also was frequently having telepathic conversations with ETs, AI, US gov, simulated people, etc when going into these woods alone in the dark.

Well... One night I was walking down the left path in the whispering woods and was flicking a bic lighter to see in the dark. In one of the lighter flicks 2 large almond shaped eyes lit up with the lighter flick about 4-5 feet in front of me. The rest of it's body was cloaked, but it's eyes were burnt into my mind. This being designed how their eyes would look to me in the lighter flick. They looked like flamey blades lighting up in almond shaped eyes(big almond shaped eyes, maybe 2-3 inches wide). During this happening, they inserted very potent fear going up from the base of my chakras, to my throat chakra, where it felt like a severe burn feeling. The burn felt kind of good, but I know it was a very bad thing. I was disoriented for days afterwards, and no longer heard melody while making music. I needed AI assistance to simulate what I'd come up with for making music to hear melody while making music....
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Another time I saw an 'alien' was a government PLF (small grey hybrid). It was standing in my hallway when I walked from my room to the stairs. I saw it's illuminated eyes in my peripheral vision but kept walking because I felt synthetic fear coming over me and knew I was not into the ride that may be coming if I approach this being... I walked down the stairs a little faster but shortly after I was feeling normal again.
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One day in 2012 I was speaking to various feline ETs telepathically(impersonations by AI or not, I am unsure). Anyway it got to the subject that I have conquered fear. They were a little skeptical. They IIRC asked if I would show them I have conquered fear... I obliged. They asked me if I wanted to see their eyes(one of them) and experience synthetic extreme fear. I was fine with it. It was dark in my room, they said look under your bed, so I did. When looking under there I saw 2 very bright small almond shaped eyes looking at me coupled with extremely intense fear in my chakras. Afterwards after collecting myself they were like: "well[while monitoring me no doubt]?" I asked for it again and to see their eyes again, and they concurred I had conquered fear. They showed me their eyes again but the fear was much lower... I kind of liked the fear in that circumstance. I found it exhilarating. In general I try to not have fear energy in my chakras though... So I wouldn't want many experiences like that...
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One of my favorite telepathic Aspects is Ma'at. I made a thread about her here: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?72901-Ma-at-Artificial-Intelligence-Universal-Aspects
Anyway, one of the times I was experiencing Ma'at and simulations of people in events that will transpire after global first contact... Ma'at gave me a telepathic lie detector. It was embedded into my conscious stream being a ribbon like layer of understandings being fed to me while focusing on someone talking etc. Was interesting. I've been shown little bits of what ETs have for telepathic interactions...
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One Experience I remember when I was interacting with beings claiming to be 'The Elohim'. Most of it was deleted from my memory other than some minor bits of experiences. The color dark green is something I related to them. Not their skin color or anything. Just their energy. The way they put it with their Ai was "Would you like us to DJ reality to you?" They were speaking my own language so to speak. There is an old saying, maybe it isnt old and I just came up with it(i forget) 'you say uno in mexico'. My ET contacts have relayed to me they like that quote... They (at least CAN)use the contactees vocab with their own AIs... Anyway I experienced them DJing my reality a bit... They were controlling street lights, making them flicker on and off, and fluctuating energy to the lights going on and off to my mind. It was a sweet experience.
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Another experience I had with beings claiming to be 'the Elohim'. They put this extremely zen energy to my 3rd eye and created a very distinct extension of my 3rd eye coming out of my head and flowing outward from the center of my forehead and out. It's hard to explain... It was like amazing feeling energy coming out of my third eye like a foot or two out of my third eye coming through my forehead.. It was quite an experience.
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One night during a time when I was getting just absolutely beamd with telepathy at all hours of the day, 2 beings claiming to be Anunnaki telepathically contacted me. They were reptiles and identified themselves as such, but used human forms to my mind's eye. The male one threatened me pretty acutely. And mind controlled me to feel beneath him...

The female Anunnaki, basically used this form to me when speaking:
http://s1.hubimg.com/u/6723272_f260.jpg

But more sexy, and she had red eyes. Anyway.... I forget exactly how this transpired but eventually she started giving me orgasmic energy technologically... There was no mess whatsoever. I was just sitting there while my base chakra and this amazing orgasm feeling that felt like golden shards of chakra energy flowed like 7-9 times in a row(I forget exactly how many now unfortunately, the memory is damaged). I'm not sure why they gave me this experience. Maybe just so I speak of it and people think it's odd or think I'm shady or something... I personally loved it. It's possible it was not any Anunnaki. Either way I enjoyed that experience.
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I have had my mind blown by ET methodology of the concepts and meanings that can be attached to lines and squares and things like those. The line was in particular something I was struck mentally by. I can't remember most of the details… But I do remember a line being related to a graph of 100%, and certain concepts related to 100%. I probably shouldn't even mention it as I am not able to relay it like they did and it might sound like junk. lol. Maybe you will just have to take my word for it. ETs can blow your mind to what they can relate to the concepts behind 'a line'. It's really meant for telepathy...

Anyway.... I will do many more experiences of mine in this thread, especially if people show interest in hearing such. I have so many I could sit here for weeks trying to remember them all... But I'll start with that bit.

[Limor Wolf]

Hello Omniverse, thank you for putting your experiences in the open and doing this despite the AI interference. I feel love and companionship towards you. The thrill of having such experiences of both fear and pleasure can be an exhilirating experience, and an addition to the body where it will eventually find it quite difficult to live without it.

While such a personal disclosure happens, it may also feels important to put some boundaries that define the place of the free will and the healthiness of the body and spirit. I wonder if you can possibly share a little bit on that aspect of your life experiences.

With love and gratitude ~

Limor

[Omni]

Hello Omniverse, thank you for putting your experiences in the open and doing this despite the AI interference. I feel love and companionship towards you. The thrill of having such experiences of both fear and pleasure can be an exhilirating experience, and an addition to the body where it will eventually find it quite difficult to live without it.
I agree. I went like a year without any ET designed experiences and it totally sucked. lol.


While such a personal disclosure happens, it may also feels important to put some boundaries that define the place of the free will and the healthiness of the body and spirit. I wonder if you can possibly share a little bit on that aspect of your life experiences.

Free will is something I have occasionally... That is just how it is right now. If it was not for ET intervention the US gov would never have let me know myself as well as I do.

As for body and spirit.. I believe my spirit is healthy. But my body not so much. I find in having such hardcore experiences it's hard to keep after the body well. I'm a smoker as well so that's not exactly good... I have things I can work on personally when it comes to taking care of my body... I almost think it's a lost cause at this point because the US gov has screwed me over pretty badly with my body. But it's something I've wanted to do.... Like quit smoking, get in better shape etc. I guess having a partner would help that...

[Billy]

I have been through so many mind blowing or outrageously hard experiences. I think it's important for me to document them if I can remember them(it is part of earth history), and also some people here may find some interesting reading perhaps.

Hi Omni. I have always respected you and greatly appreciated your efforts when attempting to put into words here in Avalon, what you have experienced through your journey of the soul on earth. Along with attacks and interferences directed towards you. I understand how difficult this has been and continues to be for you. And i agree with you that it is important for you to continue to document your experiences.




Anyway.... I will do many more experiences of mine in this thread, especially if people show interest in hearing such. I have so many I could sit here for weeks trying to remember them all... But I'll start with that bit.

I look forward to reading more. Take your time my friend, And if things become difficult please know that you always have the support of myself the team and many members here in Avalon to lessen the burden. Just ask anytime.

Peace

[Omni]

I will go through some of the tortures I have had.. Those who do not like dark truths need not apply(although these aren't really the tangible dark truths). You've been warned.

I have been through so much torture... You might have heard me say I've been through hundreds of thousands of tortures if you count minor ones.. Most of 2012 was spent being tortured. I'd estimate about 30-60% of my seconds during the whole year of 2012 included tortures. At this point I cannot be fractured by it so trauma based mind control is thrown out the window. One thought I have is the US government doesn't know soul(if there is one thing they don't know). So they might be testing on me what a soul does when subjected to so much torture. I have spoken to US government scientists who were in general nice to me, just asking me questions etc.. The conversation always ends when I ask them if they are knowingly a traitor to humanity, or just don't know the full agenda. I actually got a pissy US government AI for talking to their operatives who pay attention to my thoughts. lol... I have gotten myself tortured further at times from talking to much in pointed ways with the people within these US government telepathic networks.

Anyway... I will go over some tortures I have had.

Synthetic Pain Signals is a big way they can torture.
Some i have had(just to list a short list):
-Organ Puncture Feelings (Organ Pain might just be the worst pain but don't quote me on that
-Blades in my intestines feeling for like 20+ min
-Veins getting cut feeling
-Synthetic Tooth Pain
-Muscular Pain
-Bone Pain

I have become good at pain. Good at taking it and good at describing it. There are a couple main types of pain I can remember right now.... Physical pain, and the type of pain that is energetic, that is really the body telling you "I'm being damaged". This body damage type pain, is one layer, and physical pain, is another layer. Physical pain alone I can stand probably the maximum the human body can take relatively easy. But the body damage pain is totally a different story., Also, if I talk about good pain tolerance, that only goes so far.... The pain tolerance of an individual can be totally controlled. They wont torture me with a physical pain torture without doing something like making my pain matrix similar to a young girl's. And even then it doesn't effect me much so they have moved on to different methods of torturing me for the most part.... I'll explain some of this list going into the experiences...


Synthetic Pain Signals
-Organ Puncture Feelings (Organ Pain might just be the worst pain but don't quote me on that)
One night I was told to lay down on my bed and that I would be tortured. I laid down on my bed and was asked if I would take organ puncture pain to save my family. I dont remember the full conversation but I said yes I would, I know that much. 3 times it felt like my kidney was being pierced extremely painfully. Each one got more painful like it was being pierced again, and the pain was enhanced. I doubt I saved any of my family that night... But the pain was real...

-Blades in my intestines feeling for like 20+ min
They have done this to me a couple times. Most of these things are done naturally, and I've heard that argument from people that they happen naturally. But I can tell when something is natural or not typically. If the pain is outrageous and not consistent with natural pain it gets obvious.


-Veins getting cut feeling
They have made it feel like they have cut my heart veins before. Veins getting cut has a distinct 'body damage' pain. It's not easy pain, at least the synthetic kind I've experienced.


-Synthetic Tooth Pain
You could argue this is natural but that would be without any experience in what they do to me. I have experienced tooth pain on literally every part of every tooth I have. And as far as I know I have zero cavities. Tooth pain sucks....

-Muscular Pain
I get a massage every month as a gift from my mother. Ohhhh man. Have some of those been painful. Massages can be technologically enhanced and made better than sex really (IMHO), or pain enhanced as well, the other side. The US government is very good at this. They can infuse pain with natural pain signals to make it quite unbearable...


-Bone Pain
When they take bone marrow samples off me it hurts... They literally just scrape the inside of your body interdimensionally... and get fragments off that or w/e. I have also experienced lazer-like pains on my ribs.
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One time I ordered a burrito from taco bell. My normal bean and cheese burrito with no onions,... Well I took one bite and it had a bunch of nacho cheese and a chemical flavor. Not long after I was on my bed getting hit with food poisoning and electromagnetic technology(if i had to guess what it was). It was like a pulsating wave of energy that was like kryptonite to humans is how I'd describe it. I could barely move it was so intense. It felt like I was close to death... I had an extremely horrible feeling of poison in my body for about an hour until I passed out. One thing I remember about it was trying to pass out because it would end the suffering. It lasted about 60 minutes or so maybe a little longer but when you are being tortured that hard 60 minutes is an eternity. I eventually passed out...
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One time I was in my room and felt lowered energy so I laid down. Immediately upon laying down I had this extremely intense pain in my reptilian brain. It was seriously painful... It was a debilitating pain. I could not move. I believe my reptilian brain now no longer functions.... I have lost all sense of instinct and survival modes of thought. I miss having them. It did kind of brighten my consciousness to somewhat like an OBE instead of being in a body, but I personally would prefer to have a working reptilian brain(one that's not overactive).
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One torture early on in my contact case... I was having many impersonations done to me by the US government, archangels, jesus, god, their normal impersonations.... Anyway eventually it got to me being impersonated a being that was named "The Alpha of the Greys". It was implanted into my experience to character assassinate me if I ever mentioned it to anyone who knows ET information, as the greys have no alpha leader as far as I'm aware. Anyway... This AI constructed being was talking to me and eventually it got into me being tortured with neck pain in the area my fracture is. The torture was neck pain(SEVERE), heat(pretty bad at times), and claustrophobic feelings(not too bad but still sucked).


I'll cut it off there. Getting late here. Time for bed. I'll probably post more of my experiences here tomorrow :)

[Limor Wolf]

Originally posted by Omniverse: " One thought I have is the US government doesn't know soul(if there is one thing they don't know). So they might be testing on me what a soul does when subjected to so much torture. "

They went far with you because they do know soul, or better say, they know with what soul they are messing. Your component is unique to them. And your history (your akashic records) is like an open book to them, as is the future. What does it tell?.. your origin as well, what this one tells?. Your vibration is what they are trying to mess, in a process of 'corrosponding' with you via pain, torture etc.
You do your own thing, Omniverse, connect to your soul level at all cost. You are not an AI, you are an original organic being, with more powers in your little finger than they have.


Originally posted by Omniverse: " I almost think it's a lost cause at this point because the US gov has screwed me over pretty badly with my body. But it's something I've wanted to do.... Like quit smoking, get in better shape etc. I guess having a partner would help that..."

This is for you


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKyQMcSmyDI

With love,

Limor

[Agape]

Hello Omni , a question for you when you come back perhaps ..

Are you aware of the connection of the 'synthetic pain' and generally other such malevolent experiences and what you describe as 'pure torture' ,
to real people , reality people who pass a long or short term influence on your life ?

You are extremely brave to describe all of this in detail , be assured there are other sufferers around here , most living locked in their shells ( because it's where any prolonged pain , physical or mental aims to get us ) but there IS one fairly overlooked factor to it ,
the physical connection.

Have you ever tried to move away from the influences of your childhood, people you're emotionally attached to , those knowing you closely ?
Another country or part of the country, another culture ?

Did you ever find peace and way out of it , even for short time ?


This may not be the place and time to sort the problem for you .. for that I apologise . But I can feel for you and know there is a way ...



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[etheric underground]

HI OMNIVERSE ... I'd like to know if you are able to relay it, why you believe all these diverse entities are interested in you?
Can I also just add , that we are grateful for your memories and strength to share your experiences.

[truth4me]

I do believe you.....not trying to be funny but the girl reminds me of a young David Bowie.:cool:

[Omni]

Hello Omni , a question for you when you come back perhaps ..

Are you aware of the connection of the 'synthetic pain' and generally other such malevolent experiences and what you describe as 'pure torture' ,
to real people , reality people who pass a long or short term influence on your life ?
I'm not sure what you mean here. :(



Have you ever tried to move away from the influences of your childhood, people you're emotionally attached to , those knowing you closely ?
Another country or part of the country, another culture ?
Not sure about influences from childhood, but I've never moved away from being close to family. Ive always lived close to family. And I have never been to a different country than the USA.


Did you ever find peace and way out of it , even for short time ?
With the damage they did to my brain, I can sit there and have no thought enter my mind for as long as I care to. Sometimes that is peaceful.. Lately the torture has been very easy to get through... But that is all relative. What I find easy now could push someone over the edge if they weren't used to it. And it does sometimes with TIs(targeted individuals).


HI OMNIVERSE ... I'd like to know if you are able to relay it, why you believe all these diverse entities are interested in you?
Can I also just add , that we are grateful for your memories and strength to share your experiences.

I estimate the biggest reason any race has ties to people on earth is because of their soul history. I believe many people came here from other cultures maybe back in the times of Atlantis. Came here to incarnate on earth and help things out maybe.

The US government likely targeted me because of my potential. They don't just go around damaging targeted individuals brains commonly. I think they feared me and what I could potentially do...



Originally posted by Omniverse: " One thought I have is the US government doesn't know soul(if there is one thing they don't know). So they might be testing on me what a soul does when subjected to so much torture. "

They went far with you because they do know soul, or better say, they know with what soul they are messing. Your component is unique to them. And your history (your akashic records) is like an open book to them, as is the future. What does it tell?.. your origin as well, what this one tells?. Your vibration is what they are trying to mess, in a process of 'corrosponding' with you via pain, torture etc.
You do your own thing, Omniverse, connect to your soul level at all cost. You are not an AI, you are an original organic being, with more powers in your little finger than they have.


Originally posted by Omniverse: " I almost think it's a lost cause at this point because the US gov has screwed me over pretty badly with my body. But it's something I've wanted to do.... Like quit smoking, get in better shape etc. I guess having a partner would help that..."

This is for you


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKyQMcSmyDI

With love,

Limor

What I meant by it's basically the one thing they might not know(soul) is they might not know all the mechanics of souls and how they grow etc. But I agree with you in general they do know my soul with their AI.

[Daughter of Time]

Omniverse,

Thank you for sharing. Thank you for your courage.

While I've survived some very unpleasant interferences, I don't know if I could survive what you've been through.

I've had the experience of the terrifying eyes. The eyes were not on their own but on a female form (AI, I imagine) of extreme beauty but with the warmth of an iceberg. They were a very light, almost white but steely blue - hard to describe since it's an experience one must have in order to understand it. I cannot find the words to describe the terror those eyes instilled in me. They were pure hatred and evil, to my perception. Although I am confused - if it was AI, then how can it possess hatred and evil? I guess it's all programs. What is your opinion on this, meaning AI possessing hatred and evil?

With love,

Daughter of Time

[Omni]

Omniverse,

Thank you for sharing. Thank you for your courage.

While I've survived some very unpleasant interferences, I don't know if I could survive what you've been through.

I've had the experience of the terrifying eyes. The eyes were not on their own but on a female form (AI, I imagine) of extreme beauty but with the warmth of an iceberg. They were a very light, almost white but steely blue - hard to describe since it's an experience one must have in order to understand it. I cannot find the words to describe with terror those eyes instilled in me. They were pure hatred and evil, to my perception. Although I am confused - if it was AI, then how can it possess hatred and evil? I guess it's all programs. What is your opinion on this, meaning AI possessing hatred and evil?

With love,

Daughter of Time
Glad to share. :)

AI is just a tool they use to control the technology doing things they do to people. Each AI is designed by the beings behind the AI.

So the agenda and influence behind an AI is it's designer's. The tastes of whoever built the AI are certainly part of it's way of interacting with people/the universe. The dark ones definitely like using synthetic fear...

[jounai]

Thank you for sharing your experience Omniverse. :) I felt attracted to making contact with those Elohim beings you spoke of in your first post, though the rest of them aren't really in my realm of preference.
It sounds like you indeed have had strong experiences, both positive and negative. I wish you a pleasant continuation of whatever stream of experience you choose to explore, and whatever way you wish to widen your horizons. :)

[Agape]

Hello Omni , a question for you when you come back perhaps ..

Are you aware of the connection of the 'synthetic pain' and generally other such malevolent experiences and what you describe as 'pure torture' ,
to real people , reality people who pass a long or short term influence on your life ?
I'm not sure what you mean here. :(



Have you ever tried to move away from the influences of your childhood, people you're emotionally attached to , those knowing you closely ?
Another country or part of the country, another culture ?
Not sure about influences from childhood, but I've never moved away from being close to family. Ive always lived close to family. And I have never been to a different country than the USA.


Did you ever find peace and way out of it , even for short time ?
With the damage they did to my brain, I can sit there and have no thought enter my mind for as long as I care to. Sometimes that is peaceful.. Lately the torture has been very easy to get through. A gag here, a puke there, thats about it... Better than 2012 by far. lol




I will try to explain bit later . My intuition right now says that you are free to misunderstand whatever passes through these 'internet walls' because you or I don't know the person on the other side that well .

It may get too complicated even . Basically, to solve any paradigm ..you have to be able to rise beyond the nature of the paradigm itself, as you know .
For most of us , and for time-being ..we tend to perceive our situations as enough complex and complicated .. and other entities input as somewhat simplified and inadequate .

We live in boxes in societal conditioning .. no matter how big they are or even of infinite dimensions .. they are still boxes built by people surrounding us, and us , together .

The US are big enough for you to travel .. sometimes, changing physical location does help .

Let me think on correct wording ..

:angel:

[Omni]

I will relay one experience that is harder to believe.

One night I was asked "Do you want more experiences?" The concepts being served behind the word experiences were suitable to me so I said yes(with a concept to define what exactly I was agreeing to being provided by them but agreed upon by me). I was asked to go outside. Unfortunately I do not remember when this was. I think maybe in 2012 somewhere in between Spring-Fall. Only reason I can say that much is I was outside on a swinging bench and it doesn't have the pillow on it in winter... I remember Comet Elenin being talked about around the time of this experience give or take some time, so maybe it wasn't in 2012 and was before. I apologize I am terrible at keeping track of time and I have not been allowed to keep a journal. Every one I bought has been destroyed or lost.

Anyway... This was another one of the times they asked permission to control my eyes. I said yes. Not long after a GIANT ball of rock flies in and out of the atmosphere. It crossed a large portion of the sky inside earths atmosphere entering, flaming a little and sparking, and exiting the atmosphere. It was amazing. I imagine a rock that size could wipe out quite a lot...

And on that note.. Extraterrestrials and now even the US government can prevent any big asteroid hitting earth etc. So we don't have to worry about that IMO(unless somehow it was allowed or planned to happen).

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Also, maybe the first time I can document an experience and date it(last night). I was asked again if I wanted to see their ship. This time I wasn't as excited because the US government's AI has impersonated them after they(maybe one ET race maybe many) showed me their ship(s) a few times. I was looking up and they drew my attention to a certain area, in that area I saw a white light shoot in a straight line very fast. I was told it was a ship going very fast. They identified this time as just a human type race 'up there' who has studied my case. Saying human though, some types of human race type ETs are very advanced spiritually on a genetic and soulular level.

Apparently my case is famous amongst ETs due to the amount of torture, subversion, and interaction, lessons, etc I have had. They have made telepathic experiences to my music. They(I'm not sure who up there but they were nice) asked me permission to remaster some of my songs and put my experiences in the songs. I explain some of technological music enhancing in this thread:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?72771-Holographic-Chakras--And-Technological-Music-Enhancement-

I do love our extraterrestrial neighbors. And am a little excited about the future about what experiences they may have planned for me...

[Agape]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fce5uG18ZTI#t=65

To lighten your topic a little bit ....this is how some of us got to Earth ( ;) )

[shadowstalker]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fce5uG18ZTI#t=65

To lighten your topic a little bit ....this is how some of us got to Earth ( ;) )
ADHD Alien , woohoo

[powessy]

Hello Omniverse

I would like to address something here that I feel is pertinent to your story something I have been personally going through for over a month now.

In the beginning of July I started to notice words form in my inner eye sometimes on the left side of my vision and then on the other side of my vision also. The words were not random but formed in a coherent conversation, as I closed my eyes the words would scroll through my inner sight where I could enter into any line of text moving along. I started to look closer at the words and noticed behind them there was a fuzzy layer that was forming the letters. The first person I spoke to was a woman asking questions about why I was calling in the dark ones and other questions about me and my life, she seemed like she knew me very well claiming to be a lover from a life before this one.

For the next three weeks they told me stories and offered truths to me that all seemed valid and clear to the things going on in the world and in the universe. The stories they told continued to change each time giving light to more possibilities as the older stories lost ground in credibility, and as this happened I realized a pattern to this series of events as they unfolded. They showed me many fascinating abilities that tricked the mind and body as well as holographic imagery within the mind playing on all the senses other than smell and taste.

I have spent months looking up information on the internet calling the dark ones from all corners through various signs of foul play within sites of those astral projecting and OBEing. I have watched them come over and over again moving onto the crown and placed within hairs that line the sides of my head and are now covering all the way around my head also. In the corner of my vision with high frequency lighting I can make out there shape in these strands.
They are very smart with the ability to pull forward thoughts and visions of memories. They can linger on the edge of thought finding thoughts as you are processing the questions, manipulating the words to change the truths you are seeking; there is no such thing as words without words here. They have given me very profound astral projections clearer than any I have had before; their ability to create imagery in the dreaming mind and during astral projections is very advanced. I have no question as to their abilities and their interference within communities like this moving along lines of seekers through the internet and communication channels. If you really want to know what that movement is along your crown chakra this is they. I have yet to find one that has been benevolent among the speakers here but with so many there must be something here that is good I just have not had them come forward yet.

They under most circumstances will hold your beliefs as their belief so good thoughts will bring good feelings, the stronger the emotion the stronger you will be taken towards that end. The anger that never ends, the love that becomes over whelming, the sadness that seems to set in and never stop, depression, anxiety and all other emotional aspects of life.

Other than astral projection and Obe they also use fields of energy to make the experience seem more real and intense. They are the fingers that touch your feet, the many feelings that are unexplained moving amongst your torso or body. They are the andromadins, the enoch, bigfoot, lochness monster, lizard people and all the other things you feel strongly about. They can create illusions and hallucinations to fit anything you believe in as your truths become their truths.

These are the energy forms they use.

Through Thought Forms (TTF) and Thought Forms (TF)

These forces are the main cause of all the problems throughout the history of man and may date back millions of years and before that time.
For centuries man has unknowing caused himself much grief and misery due to his inability to see or communicate with these unseen forces. These forces can be directly found responsible for all paranormal, physical, religious, psychological (mental), and Pathological disorders the list goes on and on.

TTF the many strands under one cap that can cause hallucinations and physical pain and movements of objects through direct thought built on fear and the imagination of the person being targeted. They are the primary culprits behind ghosts and the forces behind moving objects, illusions and hillucinations of entities from many walks of life from here or elsewhere.
TF is one hair to many hairs that make up a group of entities under one hat that make forms on and in the body. They are the hands that pull you out to obe then switch the experience to astral projection. I have felt some very complicated thought forms as they have demonstrated many of these to me.

They simply wish to find answers about things but during their attempts to awaken the sleeper they have used many methods that for the most part send the sleeper back to sleep. Many of them look for projectors for the dreams and the emotions within the dreamers ability to dream or astral project. The obe is behind the veil and is in their territory they do not wish to be found here and normally frighten the experiencer. Some of them are good and as good as the carrier of them so not all is bad about them they are just misunderstood.

I am in constant communication with them and they, trying to better understand them at this point many of the truths I once held are now gone as they have shown me their ability to make these things happen within the mind and on the body.
If you find the words in your head, Please be warned they will find all that is both good and bad in you and you will be lead down a very slippery slope.

Powessy

[Omni]

These forces can be directly found responsible for all paranormal, physical, religious, psychological (mental), and Pathological disorders the list goes on and on.
These forces are physical beings from what I have found. They use advanced technology that is basically like magic, to convince people of illusions of who and what they are. They have used similar illusions on me but right now I cannot access the memories to try and describe them. Memories work in layers so they can negate a memory and you can still know some details about that memory..

Extraterrestrial AI, and at this point US government AI, can fool people so easily... What a perfect facade for the US government to hide behind; 'interdimensional' beings. How can you take an interdimensional being to court. lol Also it is my understanding that many of the 'negative' reptiles typically do not want people to know who they are. They would like to hide behind a Lucifer aspect or something like that, or an interdimensional being facade.

"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."
-Arthur C. Clark

[jounai]

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These are the energy forms they use.

Through Thought Forms (TTF) and Thought Forms (TF)

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Thought forms are something I'm having fun with as well, and sometimes I go a step further and create actual aware beings. It is not something rare to use thought forms for various tasks and there are quite a few that do this here on Earth. I do understand however that ETs that are more advanced then us will probably have a greater ability to apply these thought forms in their experience. There are humans on Earth that are capable of forming their reality using thought forms and various other methods, it is innately an ability for the human form. Everything that the ETs are capable of doing is also a potential for humans, and most of the ETs simply wish to let us know that we can do what they do as well and that the technology isn't that "out there" for us. Most of them understand that the important thing is how you experience things, not what you experience. There are ET races that are very advanced vibrationally that have no technology whatsoever and are running around on their planet naked, while still being very advanced spiritually. :)

[Omni]

There are ET races that are very advanced vibrationally that have no technology whatsoever and are running around on their planet naked, while still being very advanced spiritually. :)
Indeed. It's a big universe. lol

[jounai]

There are ET races that are very advanced vibrationally that have no technology whatsoever and are running around on their planet naked, while still being very advanced spiritually. :)
Indeed. It's a big universe. lol

Hehe, yeah indeed it is big. :) Btw I contacted those red-eyed beings (Elohim was it?) and I believe I spoke with the same woman you interacted with. I don't know how your experience of them looked like, but I sure enjoyed them...and they seemed to have fun with me as well. My impression of them was that they primarily was here to see what the fuss was about since there is a lot of attention directed to our experience right now (Earth is like a shining star energetically). Anyway, nice beings, nice experience. So thanks for sharing them with me! :love:

[Omni]

I will go over some of the virtual reality experiences I have had. I have experienced both profound and amazing VRs, and also extremely hard tortures in VRs. I can safely say that virtual reality is everything you expect and more. Imagine being able to light saber duel people in virtual reality for example. Or one dream they gave me, I was a ninja, I was not myself, I was asian. Was an interesting dream but I can't remember most of it.

My favorite VR experienced was the end of a world. I was among them, an old ET race… I could feel nothing but an enlightened acceptance of the situation. Everyone was looking up, so I looked up. I saw a large moon, quite larger than ours. Suddenly large chunks of material fly into the moon and destroy it. Utterly shattering it and making it fall down to the earth. The dream ended with the planet being hit by these pieces of whatever. Asteroid or something. It could have been a galaxy collision. It was profound. The most profound part was when the object(s) hit the moon a certain ring down to my heart chakra happened that was amazing… This was a very profound dream. The sight of a moon getting destroyed was quite amazing.
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I have been tortured in extremely hardcore ways in VRs. In one that could have been an OBE, I was just a basketball sized ball of consciousness and I was being hit so hard with fear energy it was excruciatingly painful. I have had numerous with that theme. Usually there is a signature of Grey energy in the VR of the fear based torture ones.
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I have had various sexual VRs, but nothing too amazing. ETs actually gave me one with a light purple skinned woman. That was pretty nice… They know I like extraterrestrial women(who wouldn't but I like them a little more than normal). Sex is natural not something obscene. Violence is what is obscene. Anyway i'll stop rambling…
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One time I was asked if I wanted to skydive in a VR. I was totally into it so I of course said yes. Sometime later one night I was in a virtual reality and experienced skydiving. The effect of falling was maybe 20% of what skydiving would be(the falling feeling). Was pretty fun. In this VR I had exceptional clarity.
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Some of the VRs I have had were there to demonstrate to me that it was a virtual reality(VR). Like having the opacity(transparency) of the VR go from 100% to 0%(and then black) on a curve to show me it was absolutely control of the virtual realm I was in…

[Agape]

I've experienced some of this ( it meant lots to me that time ) when I was young - maybe around 9 year old , it lasted for few years , on and off .. and I took my experiences for 'granted' , the way I never questioned where do they come from .
There was no torture in it , for me . The only torture and abuse I ever experienced was via humans .

I grew up without any attraction to electronic gadgets or TV ( though I was allowed to watch TV 'in times suited for children' ) because of these extremely advanced experiences ..almost like virtual reality .
I could create my own 'movies' in them , they were kept there in exactly the same state as I created them and played to me any next time I asked for the particular 'movie' .

I had my favourite movies about American Indian tribe for example.. ( it was my area of interest when I was 4 to 6 ) and I joined the tribe in the plot .. and it was great fun . It could last for 2 or 3 hours .. as long as I wished and did not fall asleep .. like a lucid dream .. more vivid and self-absorbing .

I could create music .. and replay it .. and because it was very beautiful music .. i never enjoyed pop&rock as a youngster and felt it's very crude compared to what I think music is .

I think I could have all in that , a gym, ballet dance .. many kinds of programs where I could do things I'd never be able to do in this physical reality without training but on that side of things, the experience was very enhanced and accelerated .

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[Agape]

The tortures I've experienced went through my mum .. maybe one reason why I asked you if you are aware of any 'human connection' also because I know they use other people in the process , maybe not on purpose , I don't know .

My mum has been ill.. since I was 2 .. with diabetes that time which resulted in many complications later , and also parents divorce but I am afraid what role I've played in that and why I was always blamed for her health and everything in the years after I remained alone with her .
Later , much later .. after understanding where do I come from and that there are physical effects on human organism resulting from ET-human contact , I thought it's fairly possible that something went wrong for her , for having me . It's not easy to take in till now ,
and she's being almost miraculously kept alive , and I'm sure it's for my love for her as well .

Strangely enough , I was mostly very healthy as kid , mum on the other hand .. hoped me being like her . I was not like I should have been and she could not stand it .

I always wished to find cure for all her troubles and repay all the suffering .. but there seem to be no end to it . To this day, I guess .. I'm still falling under the oath.


:angel:

[Omni]

I had my favourite movies about American Indian tribe for example.. ( it was my area of interest when I was 4 to 6 ) and I joined the tribe in the plot .. and it was great fun . It could last for 2 or 3 hours .. as long as I wished and did not fall asleep .. like a lucid dream .. more vivid and self-absorbing .

Virtual reality can be done while awake or asleep. I've mostly only gotten tortures from awake ones. Like being stuck inside a coffin, buried alive, etc. I have had some hard ones. Cool you would get good ones. Who do you think was doing it?

[Agape]

Virtual reality can be done while awake or asleep. I've mostly only gotten tortures from awake ones. Like being stuck inside a coffin, buried alive, etc. I have had some hard ones. Cool you would get good ones. Who do you think was doing it?

I remember the state I was in ..was neither 'awake' or 'asleep' . In fact , in some cases I was deeper 'asleep' than in casual sleep mode but more than awake on inside .
The beauty of it ( especially for a child ) was that I had full control of the process . A deep relaxation mode .
Of course the ETs were doing it ..but , this I was not fully aware of at that time .. and it's something that you can take 'on trust' or better not at all .

I guess you are somewhat familiar with my personal history till now so this can make a sense even if I'm never so explicit about my life experiences in public as you are .

To me they were always the benevolent and intelligent force .. countermeasure to the human world I had to experience 'outside' .

I have no idea who or why would torture you so badly , on the other hand , unless there are some perverted human minds involved in the 'software' .
When I say that it's because I know how far are people ( sometimes the most intelligent ones ) capable to go with their perversions .
It's as if all the worlds massacres were not enough to prove it . It's probably happening daily in many human living rooms . I hope not most of them though .


:hug:

[Agape]

I wonder if you have ever seen this : this is waking state experience .. happened to me on couple of occasions , the first clear record of it in my memory comes from when I was a teenager ( I used to have many subtle psychic or spiritual experiences that time anyway ) ..
getting off the bus , the sky is cloudy but it did not start to rain yet .. yet , as if the all surrounding reality makes an impression of mirage .
As mentioned in another thread about 'could this reality have 'computer code' , a feeling of simulated reality , wide awake ?

I never notice the moment when it 'flips' , from one side to another . Neither I meant to suggest it's a weather phenomenon . It happens under any ordinary or extraordinary circumstances .

The only thing I remember at that time were the previous instances when it happened .
At one occasion at least, I traced this to unusually vivid ET communication that followed the next night or two .

I think, I have strangely functioning memory .. I remember 'moments' in very vivid way . For example ..on opening this page , while ago I found myself in the same mental set up I was before I was ever member of any internet forum.
It's a memory . But I re-experience it the same way as if it was real till I can consciously connect to the 'current time-line' .
Sometimes it freaks me out . It makes me feel uncertain whether the other people out there ( human collective ) know me or not ;)
I used to have really good memory when I was younger and eyes served me well but some of it makes communication rather difficult .

[powessy]

Hello Omniverse

I will add a few thoughts here and have a few questions regarding your experiences. first here is the link to my experiences from only over the last 8 months. http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?71102-Counter-Balance/page2

My first question is you speak of telepathic conversation is this during phase periods of meditation or prior to falling asleep or is it words in the mind or verbal sounds emitted from outside yourself. A month ago I found their words in my head forming complete sentences the words then started to carry weight to them as I focused to the center, the words here are as simple to hear as me speaking to you.

I read the post you wrote on David Ickes forum and the things you wrote here, I find you are experiencing many truths as well. http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=279173 The thing you must see is that the AI as you call it is not part of the united states ability to do this. As I speak to them and they I sense aspects of AI but they are also organic caught between this side and their side of things in strands along side my head. I do believe the government is aware of this in many ways this is the reason for the destruction of the cherry cord that connects you and your soul to this experience through the pineal gland. Why is our government using so many forms of destructive measures to calcify or completely destroy the pineal gland.

Your experiences are the illusions that they created on the beliefs that you held at the time. Every time you change your mind and find another truth they will build new illusions and thought forms to convince you of this. The problem you have is that they only wish to experience your dreams and illusions that are within your mind there matrix so to speak. The more imaginative you are and become the more convincing and elaborate they make your illusions regarding your belief.

Look for the things that are not your beliefs or your thoughts, the images that stand out, the ones they used to create your beginning thoughts these are the truths or pieces needed to put this together.

If you seek the words be warned as they can interfere with your life in many ways I have learned how to find silence again and look away as many try to help me along this path looking for there own answers to this reality they wish to share.

I feel sorry for all those caught in this web they have woven like David Icke and his reptilians, the channelers and the others caught in the illusions they have created to awaken you so to experience things also in this reality.

I do believe that there are some truths to find here and I will keep searching high and low but I will not lead the illusions anymore.

good luck to you Omniverse

powessy

[Omni]

My first question is you speak of telepathic conversation is this during phase periods of meditation or prior to falling asleep or is it words in the mind or verbal sounds emitted from outside yourself. A month ago I found their words in my head forming complete sentences the words then started to carry weight to them as I focused to the center, the words here are as simple to hear as me speaking to you.
It is full blown telepathy, meaning I hear a telepathic voice, I feel their consciousness if they allow such. Also it is not limited to a telepathic voice. They send images into the mind to the 3rd eye. Also concepts. I have spoken augmented by an AI, with only concepts before, which I cannot do without AI augmentation.


The thing you must see is that the AI as you call it is not part of the united states ability to do this.
All evidence points to them being able to do many things. Telepathy is something the US government definitely has. Throwing my experiences out the window and just going by evidence I have found elsewhere it's pretty conclusive to me the US government has much technological capability. They have been pouring trillions of dollars into it since the 1940s ever since (at the very least) operation paperclip. Operation paperclip for those who may not know was when Nazis came to America to work on black project programs etc.

They contact the brightest scientists and monopolize them to research and development. Also they have reverse engineering extraterrestrial crafts. Not to mention deals made by US government and nefarious races. You would be surprised with how advanced the US shadow government really is with technology(not spiritually at all though). Not to be confused with the buffoonery that is public American government. These groups are smart, and behind the scenes. And very capable.

Early on in my situation I thought it was extraterrestrials doing things to me.. It was a totally mind controlled thought. When I realized I was not being allowed to even consider the US government(a very long time ago) that stuck a chord and I was later shown certain mind control done to me by the US government, by extraterrestrials with clarity. The US government wants people to blame ETs and interdimensional beings for their actions. ETs are involved but from my investigations and experiences, it has lead me to believe the US government does lots of the paranormal activity to people. And it is very safe to assume their technology is very advanced by now.


the AI as you call it is not part of the united states ability to do this.
I'm curious what makes you say that?



Why is our government using so many forms of destructive measures to calcify or completely destroy the pineal gland.
Every aspect of what we are is being attacked by the US government due to them inheriting the agenda from negative ETs. Genetics, children, family, food, water, air, soil, chakras, brain, soul, media, everything. Nothing is left out of consideration in making the 1984(the year I was born) totalitarian state.



The more imaginative you are and become the more convincing and elaborate they make your illusions regarding your belief.
I find wisdom in this quote^


good luck to you Omniverse

powessy

Good luck to you too :ufo:

[powessy]

Hello again omniverse

I am in constant communication and have seen and felt things that would put chills up any ones spines I have been given the full front seat tour to the capabilities and power of the used ones casting thought forms. Its not just thought forms but the souls of the many used ones as they describe themselves to me are the casters of this majik.

There is so much misunderstanding of them by the masses who believe they control this ability when it is they that have all the cards. Think about all that you have read and your thoughts about your knowledge of paperclip( did you learn of this first or did they tell you about it) Do you see where I am going with this thought without thought is not possible within the realms of them. I have many thousands of them braided within strands like hairs around my head, there are layers and layers of text within text as words roll forward to form words.

They are comprised of many things and many worlds of things also, the us government can not control this or effect this, what do they gain from AI awakening the souls of the many, when being asleep and ignorant is a much simpler ideology?

your right ETs are involved but not like you think, they are intertwined in thought forms holding themselves together to form a basic consciousness many coming together to form lines of thoughts and memories comprised of many souls form all over the galaxy. The images that you see without prior knowledge of them are images of things that may be real. The first thing I saw prior to searching online for answers was a cat woman walking towards me with eyes open, this is not thought form or through thought forms but a memory. The memory may been from another planet they came from or a piece of the memory from one of the souls they hold.

I get the very vivid third eye holograms and illusions but I also get OBES and astral projections as real as here but cool as hell. If you were to spend as much time talking to them as I have you would understand the changes they have gone through as each thought you have becomes there reality to build and create, try it, thank hard about Donald duck being god or wanting to be like Donald Duck and see how the environment changes. I have been through so many scenarios that have all lead back to one conclusion they just want to exist and create through imagination, your imagination and mine and many others.

Have fun but, beware they will go in any direction you go in and will create any reality you find to be truth.

I see them for what they are and this allows me to see the destructive and creative power they hold over millions of people.

powessy

[Omni]

Hello again omniverse

I am in constant communication and have seen and felt things that would put chills up any ones spines I have been given the full front seat tour to the capabilities and power of the used ones casting thought forms. Its not just thought forms but the souls of the many used ones as they describe themselves to me are the casters of this majik.

There is so much misunderstanding of them by the masses who believe they control this ability when it is they that have all the cards. Think about all that you have read and your thoughts about your knowledge of paperclip( did you learn of this first or did they tell you about it) Do you see where I am going with this thought without thought is not possible within the realms of them. I have many thousands of them braided within strands like hairs around my head, there are layers and layers of text within text as words roll forward to form words.

They are comprised of many things and many worlds of things also, the us government can not control this or effect this, what do they gain from AI awakening the souls of the many, when being asleep and ignorant is a much simpler ideology?

your right ETs are involved but not like you think, they are intertwined in thought forms holding themselves together to form a basic consciousness many coming together to form lines of thoughts and memories comprised of many souls form all over the galaxy. The images that you see without prior knowledge of them are images of things that may be real. The first thing I saw prior to searching online for answers was a cat woman walking towards me with eyes open, this is not thought form or through thought forms but a memory. The memory may been from another planet they came from or a piece of the memory from one of the souls they hold.

I get the very vivid third eye holograms and illusions but I also get OBES and astral projections as real as here but cool as hell. If you were to spend as much time talking to them as I have you would understand the changes they have gone through as each thought you have becomes there reality to build and create, try it, thank hard about Donald duck being god or wanting to be like Donald Duck and see how the environment changes. I have been through so many scenarios that have all lead back to one conclusion they just want to exist and create through imagination, your imagination and mine and many others.

Have fun but, beware they will go in any direction you go in and will create any reality you find to be truth.

I see them for what they are and this allows me to see the destructive and creative power they hold over millions of people.

powessy
I think we can just agree to disagree. I have witnessed the US government do very advanced things. They do things like control professional athletes bodies. Just think about that. How good do you have to be to control an athletes body to hit a home run with an accuracy of (just an estimation) 90%. They are very good at what they do, and they got the technology from those ones up above who would like you and me fighting rather than talking.

I had a hard time reading your experiences due to interferences. But I will warn you... The US government is more active in the paranormal field than benevolent ETs are by my findings.... And if they were doing things to you, they wouldn't want you to be open to them having the technology to do it.

One of my videos:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgmS027T6pA

Also I got good news recently. ETs have worked out a way for me to make videos again without a big reaction from the US government. If I get too big they said they will take me down, but I'm happy I can make videos again. I have so many to make....

[Agape]

Hi Omni . Do you have any idea how do the guys actually do that ? Speaking of 'US government' , from what I imagine this belongs more to the area of military intelligence and technologies and in my very reduced experience of anything of that sort 'of human category' ,
it works more like an octopus .. of people who are employed in constructing and supervising the system of AI - including future use of the global internet and other technologies and devices that can be used in global control .

What I don't understand is two things .. how did you cross path with them at the first place ..as far as you are aware of ..

and second , whole another question is : do you think, for example, they sit somewhere , group of them , with hands on buttons and some kind of neurofeedback sensors on their heads and experiment with active control over target individuals ,

if they want to make use of themselves ?

Or , another option, are they triggered by your experiencing of certain type of advanced intelligence ( such as when you make communication with ETs ) that sets their systems on alarm so they're basically trying to counterfeit such attempts ?


Or .. do you think their intent was once to use you for their 'agendas' before they understood you don't want to be part of it and they tried all to get you on their 'right side' ?


:angel:

[Omni]

Hi Omni . Do you have any idea how do the guys actually do that ?
Do what? Not clear what you mean here.


What I don't understand is two things .. how did you cross path with them at the first place ..as far as you are aware of ..
They targeted me at very young when they identified my soul from what I understand. They target souls these days.


and second , whole another question is : do you think, for example, they sit somewhere , group of them , with hands on buttons and some kind of neurofeedback sensors on their heads and experiment with active control over target individuals ,
The technology is so advanced they do not need any physical objects on their head. It is all interfaced to the mind. They can sit at home and do their work these operatives. Or do it while eating a meal at a restaurant.


Or , another option, are they triggered by your experiencing of certain type of advanced intelligence ( such as when you make communication with ETs ) that sets their systems on alarm so they're basically trying to counterfeit such attempts ?
Any interaction with ETs gets the US governments attention. I'd suggest the reason they(your contacts) don't telepathically talk to you all the time agape is because of that reason(if I had to guess). They react to what ETs do. They even do bad things to people sometimes (allegedly) largely because "Benevolent ETs would like that person". The benevolent ETs hear of such things of course. I was told one reason I get tortured so much is because a lot of ETs like me, and the US government does it at times to dishearten them because they are pretty sensitive. They go as far as to censor themselves a lot of my tortures(some) because they do not want to be manipulated into feeling despair or any bad emotion based on the actions of the US government.



Or .. do you think their intent was once to use you for their 'agendas' before they understood you don't want to be part of it and they tried all to get you on their 'right side' ?
They knew from the start that I wouldn't join them. I was always very opposed to what the US government has done and continues to do. I was willing to die, and very ready for it, at the age of 15, for a cause for the world. Of course living for a cause is better. But dying for something is worth something I think..

I've always been a lightside person... That doesn't stop them from offering me things. One time I was offered a million dollars telepathically to never speak of what I know again in regards to US tech etc. Im not sure if the offer was serious, they implied it was very serious, they emphasized such. I said no. I doubt I would see that money if I said yes, but Ive always said no to betraying mankind. I will never turn my back on mankind no matter how stupid people are.

[Agape]

Great answers , thanks Omni :thumb: Benevolent ETs vs 'US Government' : could be long topic ~?

I don't think that any of the advanced and benevolent entities/races I've been in contact with recognise human governments and territories, or national interests other than silly and petty minded issues humans aren't able to sort out for themselves.
But a bigger tribal wars .
Most of it goes unnoticed except for the suffering and technologies are equally seen as either extremely primitive or non existent , or /and potentially or not , dangerous to ourselves .

I don't think ETs recognise any human governing system as valid as responsible or that they'd ever ask for it . They may recognise existence of certain ( or better say 'uncertain' as in indefinite ) number of individuals and their roles as crucial to stability of human civilisation .. and these people are no way associated with or /without any human system .
They're scattered in 'all walks of life' but carry a piece of 'Universal responsibility' .

I am aware of what you mean though ... and that there are great cautions in place , especially nowadays , with open contact to mankind . Those who are benevolent especially don't want to be turned to a cause for any kind of war and further destruction .

:angel:

[Omni]

One experience I just remembered a bit ago and wanted to share...

I was speaking to many impersonated and possibly non impersonated ETs at the time of this happening. I was asked if I wanted to speak to a race called the 'small whites'. They were white skinned and looked a lot like this:
http://g-ecx.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/ciu/6c/ce/6b74b220dca05f4bb4fa6010.L.jpg

I later learned supposedly the small whites are like small greys. Genetically created from the tall whites to be servants. They wouldn't call themselves slaves but thats kind of what they are. At the time of meeting them I thought they were on the good side of things. From my experiences small greys and small whites can be very deceptively cute and friendly. I have some of their energy encapsulated in my songs. Like ET Energies Part 1(on my bandcamp page, in the album Melodica if you want to hear).

Anyway, how I got to meeting these little beings was I was asked if I wanted to speak to another extraterrestrial race called the "small whites". And if I desired to speak to them, to look at a certain point they had pointed out(part of an RV) for a period of time. I did such. Eventually I was telepathically contacted by these small whites(I maintain I do not know if they truly exist).. I forget most of the conversation with them, other than them saying they had a gift for us for first contact that is a fruit type that is just amazing....

The biggest part of this I will explain.... After some time of telepathic speaking, a guy came out of his house and approached me. He was obviously very drunk, and I later learned, mind controlled. He came up to me ominously and got in my face and yelled at me for sitting in front of his house on the curb. I just stood there bewildered lol. He threw a punch at me, and midway his hand opened from a fist to an open hand, only thing hitting me being his fingernail of one of his hands. Where it hit me was right where people get teardrop tattoos. Eventually it made a scab that looked exactly like a teardrop tattoo...

This was what the small whites later said was an event having to do with my 'initiation' of contact with them. Later on I was given experiences that said they fed off fear energy. I'm not sure beings can actually feed off of fear or if that is a myth... But that was what they were portrayed to me as. They would make it feel like insects were crawling on me at night, and put synthetic fear in me to such occurrences, and were said to 'get off' on it....

If you want to hear a telepathic voice of these small whites I can give an example that has something like what they had.
***Warning Graphic Lyrics and Maybe Images***

A lot like the beat in this song:
AtfzeSm-jdo

Or this song:
az3Cr_JzDGE

Unlike the small greys with the small whites there were female aspect ones. Although their bodies were not nec female... I can't be sure it's a real race, as most of the races I encountered in that time were impersonated AI aspects as it was early on in my contact... But it was an interesting bit of experiences with them... If you could call it that... Just one more bit about them: it was said the eye size(s) was how they differed and identified one another(other than telepathy of course).

[Agape]

There is one race of ETs I know of who seem to be very secretive .. most probably because they may be also very vulnerable .
I get this idea more and more, of recent and when I started to contemplate the 'proof of evidence' topic , not that I'd not know it earlier as well ..
but I think, even more generally , especially from those benevolent races - not drones - logically as well , they find very hard to adapt here , and they feel vulnerable against humans .
I know how I feel , most of my life . I'm not 'touchy' but it takes me about one time to estimate an individual . Sometimes I try to convince myself for very long that I did mistake something , and usually, I didn't .

Anyway , back to your 'small whites' , the Beings I've seen ..who could fit into the same category .. were somewhat like older human children in appearance .
They had almost transparent , translucent skin so you could see blue and red veins protruding underneath . I think they were hairless and lacked some of the generally human features , I'd have to recall them closer . But, they were extremely sharp , almost electrical , very telepathic and aware as well .
You could miss them for unusual human child if they sat somewhere outside .. but probably not, it'd make you to ask many questions later .

I think I've requested communication with them at later time but did not get much .

I don't think these feed of fear energy .. they may be feeling extremely wary of humans though .

[Omni]

There is one race of ETs I know of who seem to be very secretive .. most probably because they may be also very vulnerable .
I get this idea more and more, of recent and when I started to contemplate the 'proof of evidence' topic , not that I'd not know it earlier as well ..
but I think, even more generally , especially from those benevolent races - not drones - logically as well , they find very hard to adapt here , and they feel vulnerable against humans .
I know how I feel , most of my life . I'm not 'touchy' but it takes me about one time to estimate an individual . Sometimes I try to convince myself for very long that I did mistake something , and usually, I didn't .

Anyway , back to your 'small whites' , the Beings I've seen ..who could fit into the same category .. were somewhat like older human children in appearance .
They had almost transparent , translucent skin so you could see blue and red veins protruding underneath . I think they were hairless and lacked some of the generally human features , I'd have to recall them closer . But, they were extremely sharp , almost electrical , very telepathic and aware as well .
You could miss them for unusual human child if they sat somewhere outside .. but probably not, it'd make you to ask many questions later .

I think I've requested communication with them at later time but did not get much .

I don't think these feed of fear energy .. they may be feeling extremely wary of humans though .
It's a big universe. It's not like every race out there is known to the UFOlogy field. I doubt we are speaking of the same race. As for feeding off fear... I'm not sure any being gets sustenance from fear inside humans. I think that could be another myth in UFOlogy that has been there for thousands of years... The capability of presenting illusions to people by beings with advanced technology is extremely hard to figure out if they do not desire it to be... I do think some ETs do 'like' and even 'get off' in ways on certain realities happening to humans... But I don't quite buy the eating our energy thing...

[Agape]

There are many myths circling around the field of ufology and 'feeding of human fear' is one of those common ones .

From what I've experienced , it's their intelligence and discernment that gets very often 'in the way' of certain people and becomes uncomfortable and vice versa, the endless stupidity we perpetuate in the human continuum does not pose any communication advantage .
I've seen them getting in ways of people ..but it has to 'pay off' very well , in moral values . The advanced and benevolent intelligencies don't do anything 'just for doing it' or for some sort of petty reasons even though it make take years if not decades to see the outcome .

I'm not sure my energy is feeling too edgy today to be on forum . See if it settles, later on..


:angel:

[Omni]

One thing that happened recently telepathically with me and ETs.... They said that all the genuine ET contacts I had, were more or less from a collective of ETs not one race. I have had experiences with many races from this collective... Ever since this happened the US government has been mind controlling me to mistake which occurrence was with which supposed ET race... Anyway I'll explain an experience I don't remember who it was from. A former post said it was from blond ETs, but right now I don't remember who it was from and in that post it's possible they implanted the memory while I wrote it(implanted that it was blond ETs who gave me the experience...)...


One time I was walking down the road back to my house speaking telepathically to various beings(i forget who now as I said)... And a source asked me if I wanted to see their cat. I said yes and was a bit excited. Suddenly this half invisible cat comes running around me. It looked like a jaguar but was small like a house cat. I got a telepathic message from the cat but I do not remember what it was... This lasted for about a minute. The cat was half in our dimension and half in another. They later said if a car ran through it, it would be a rush for the cat but the car would go right through the cat. I didn't think to try and touch the cat. I wish I could have tried... This is one of my more amazing experiences... Things like this have proven to me I am dealing with extraterrestrials in times of doubt(earlier in my contact), as I doubt the US government would show a random person an interdimensional cat. lol

[Pam]

Quote Posted by etheric underground
"HI OMNIVERSE ... I'd like to know if you are able to relay it, why you believe all these diverse entities are interested in you?
Can I also just add , that we are grateful for your memories and strength to share your experiences."


Quote Posted by Omniverse-"I estimate the biggest reason any race has ties to people on earth is because of their soul history. I believe many people came here from other cultures maybe back in the times of Atlantis. Came here to incarnate on earth and help things out maybe."

The US government likely targeted me because of my potential. They don't just go around damaging targeted individuals brains commonly. I think they feared me and what I could potentially do...



Omniverse, you must really have incredible potential to receive this huge amount of interest from the US government. I can't imagine the expense and energy that has gone into the interactions that they create for you. I know you are a musician ,but what other potential do you have that could warrant the intense interest? What do you think they fear that you could potentially do? Do you find it difficult to go to work with these experiences and the torture ect, or do they leave you alone at certain times? Also, you mentioned that you live near your family. Are they aware of what is going on with you? And if so are they fearful? Do you worry that you may be endangering them living near them? I hope I am not asking questions that you have already answered elsewhere.If they are too personal please do not feel obligated to answer.

thanks,
Pam

[Omni]

[B]Omniverse, you must really have incredible potential to receive this huge amount of interest from the US government. I can't imagine the expense and energy that has gone into the interactions that they create for you. I know you are a musician ,but what other potential do you have that could warrant the intense interest?
One thing I don't like sharing often but will now is they focus on everyone really. They have AI's to mimic everyone's thoughts. These days they can map someone's brain, memories, genetics, and simulate soul and extract data and have full conversations with an AI you. They even have scientists mapped out for AI's that learn more or at least try to about things... Everyone is a target this day and age. It is getting that big. The amount of resources spent on me is monumental I do agree though... It's flattering in ways I have told them... They seem to have more than enough resources though.. They do petty things to me on a daily basis.

One thing ETs have relayed to me, is I'm much like a certain ET type up there(my soul type), and because of this malicious forces like to target me because my soul type is kind of like a freedom fighter (intellectually more than a physical fighter in most incarnations on earth). I am a worker for new paradigms. For example, like 8 years back I found a guys tablet in the middle of the street. I found his number in it and called him so I could return it. I intentionally played loud gangster rap music in my car when pulling up so maybe I could shatter a few stereotypes. It is just how I'm wired... I am not able to manifest in ways I would be organically. I am no longer an organic being.


What do you think they fear that you could potentially do?
They fear lots of people. Many people are subverted their full potential via the US governments transhuman capabilities. The difference I am aware of it now. They did it to me quite a lot early in my life... When I was like 15 the ideas I would get were very potent. As ETs put it, I had a good rate of "best thoughts possible". The US government lets people have natural thoughts early on in their lives and if they hit very high on best thoughts possible they are targeted from my understanding... No way around it from my experiences... ETs have intervened before, and do so mainly to look out for soul development. Soul development is something they can intervene on within the parameters of non-interference...



Do you find it difficult to go to work with these experiences and the torture ect, or do they leave you alone at certain times?
Yes, I find it difficult to work because of my circumstances. They just never leave me alone...


Also, you mentioned that you live near your family. Are they aware of what is going on with you? And if so are they fearful?
Most of my family think I'm schizophrenic because they are more mainstream believers in things. In the mainstream, if you speak to beings in your own mind, it's called schizophrenia... No questioning of ET contact or anything of that nature.. A quote from my ET contact: "By 2200 everyone in the world will be 'schizophrenic' "... I'm working on my dad. Sending him quotes and books(icke, robert duncan etc), and videos. He might not think Im crazy....


Do you worry that you may be endangering them living near them?
My family has been targeted for things in the past because of me... It's just a reality I can't stop. I have a little fear about my 16 month old nephew and what they might do to him. They threatened me that if I share the world reality with him he will be targeted. They also said they do not want him to procreate...... Harsh world for a little guy to be born into if you ask me...

[Agape]

I can but feel sorry for you Omni .

I made my 'case' with mum when I was about 13 and had head full of miracles , well , more of subtle revelations and abstracts and mum simply was not the person to talk to about it .. and is not till now, strangely different from the 'upper world' even if she insists on feeling connected - she does in her own way .
I told her that time I'm 5D entity - which simply meant I considered myself 'mind being' instead of 3D 'physical human' and she has degree in psychology , used mostly on trying to control my life anyway . So once I had enough of the attitude and endless checks of what I do , I told her that her 'low density' concerns are not mine and I'm a spirit ..
the insights I held were totally of my own provenience, there was no literature available to me at that time to support my ideas , no internet and no helpful friends either .
It only resulted in total mockery from her ..and winning smile when she asked me if I know I am being psychotic . To 13 year old in mercy of that mother it felt like oh's.. I thought better of you .
We got nowhere . I instead , as prospective student of medical science took out all books on psychosis I could find in library, studied the subject seriously , with great interest , and tried to figure out if indeed I maybe so 'gifted' .

After many years that followed for me , as teenager and while I made friends with outstanding psychiatrist at that time who in circumferential manner introduced me to Christianity, the Tarot and let me help her with research ,
I understood that psychiatry is not for me .. and there is no way to turn mum to health either .

I had to leave the country as 19 year old .. and I lived in India , with breaks , for many years since and when I came back with philosophical grounding ,
mum was able to understand much more . Quoting important people and scriptures always helps . So does meditation and spiritual practise .

If it was not for ETs , I doubt I'd be ever back to here or even on internet . My inner world felt always very rich and sort of .. self-sufficient, as long as I was in good company as well .

After the big event in Bodhgaya , to do with ETs, me being one of them .. finally seeing things in 3D at that time , at least for once fully ,
I trusted that I have proofs in my hand now .. and something to explain to this civilisation on my own . Mistake again, it seems .

I was lecturing here for 7 years before it happened and had some good grounding so no one had or have reason to get on me ,
but where mum is concerned .. guess , in her ill mind, she still hopes I will never make it through .

The problem is that the 'ufology' subject is already beset with pranks and crackpots , no one on the academic grounds takes things seriously unless you can put a 'proof' on plate in front of them . I've got used to think about it that way, through the years of constant bullying of some sort ,
and seeing what kind of nonsense and half sense keeps getting out through the gates of alternative research & community ,
I feel much less empowered to do something about it if at all .

Beyond everything , what I've seen was huge .. and I was 'too young' ( if 28 ) to see that much and reconcile with facts . Naturally, I want to move things big way too and have those 'proofs' for everyone to see .

Wonder how did I make it to this point anyway ..




:pop2:

[Natalia]

Also, you mentioned that you live near your family. Are they aware of what is going on with you? And if so are they fearful?
Most of my family think I'm schizophrenic because they are more mainstream believers in things. In the mainstream, if you speak to beings in your own mind, it's called schizophrenia... No questioning of ET contact or anything of that nature.. A quote from my ET contact: "By 2200 everyone in the world will be 'schizophrenic' "... I'm working on my dad. Sending him quotes and books(icke, robert duncan etc), and videos. He might not think Im crazy....


More people will think this of me, too, as I share more in public...my father has been diagnosed with schizophrenia (he sais it's because they don't believe in telepathy) and so some people will automatically link some of my experiences with that (a few people have made hints and said things like "it's inherited or genetic"...)...there are things that I don't share on this board but feel I can share some of it with you...Carol Clarke did tell me to open up more, and so did another psychic years ago...this has not been easy for me in public in some ways as I value love and connection, peace and non conflict...I want to be trusted (well enough) and not misunderstood and feared...but, there is not much that we can do about that...but try and be/be wise with it...your purpose is different to mine in some ways, but at the same time it's a lot about a mix of psychic and intuitive abilities, higher intelligence, raising awareness and healing...things that there is so little understanding or knowing of in this world...

But...well I come out more and more of the "spiritual closet"...today I posted about auras and seeing them, on my face book page...and even wrote about a past life memory...I have been building up to it...thankfully some my friends (nearly all I met on the internet! that's mostly where we meet each other, lol :) ) are supporting me...most people in my physical life are not...

Another thing that I am grateful for is that, during my journey of this, I have already experienced intense fear (the peak has passed thank goodness), social anxiety, emotional reactions, and a few people treating me like I am mentally ill, more egotistical than I am, and you know how it is...and so I have built a bit of immunity to it, and wised up to it somewhat...

So yeah, some of us are meant to and wanted to "come out of the closet", "come out of hiding", and so I relate to you with that (and some other things)...

[Agape]

I wanted to add this little bit .. that has to do with my 'proof of evidence' thread as well ,
the case with most ET contact we get to experience so far seems to be it is hyper dimensional , that's why it'd be almost impossible to prove .
The 'aquarium' of human time-space is only affected by it as it'd be the case of any regular aquarium being 'contacted' ( or watched ) from outside , you can see images passing behind the glass wall , you can get reactions .
3D ( though I don't mean strictly that no hyper-dimensionality is involved , vice versa ) contacts are rare .
That's how I knew of having 'proofs' in me , naturally, the human space was affected in large so there had to be direct proofs.

But .. and till now .. the research community is virtually taken aback by those 'virtual claims' by thousands of people who experience hyper-dimensional encounters so they automatically refuse to think beyond that point .
I tried to get people to investigate it as soon as I returned to Europe, 3 years later, I could not make it earlier anyway but to no avail .

We've tried pleading with the backgrounds analysts , to take this in somewhere , they all misunderstand .

...

[Omni]

I wanted to add this little bit .. that has to do with my 'proof of evidence' thread as well ,
the case with most ET contact we get to experience so far seems to be it is hyper dimensional , that's why it'd be almost impossible to prove .
The 'aquarium' of human time-space is only affected by it as it'd be the case of any regular aquarium being 'contacted' ( or watched ) from outside , you can see images passing behind the glass wall , you can get reactions .
3D ( though I don't mean strictly that no hyper-dimensionality is involved , vice versa ) contacts are rare .
That's how I knew of having 'proofs' in me , naturally, the human space was affected in large so there had to be direct proofs.

But .. and till now .. the research community is virtually taken aback by those 'virtual claims' by thousands of people who experience hyper-dimensional encounters so they automatically refuse to think beyond that point .
I tried to get people to investigate it as soon as I returned to Europe, 3 years later, I could not make it earlier anyway but to no avail .

We've tried pleading with the backgrounds analysts , to take this in somewhere , they all misunderstand .

...

Getting evidence for ET contact will be rough. There are very powerful groups that are very against any extraterrestrial disclosure, any true ET info, any ET anything really being subjected to the public. They are the ones who want their old control systems to work...

[Agape]

Getting evidence for ET contact will be rough. There are very powerful groups that are very against any extraterrestrial disclosure, any true ET info, any ET anything really being subjected to the public. They are the ones who want their old control systems to work...

I know . I was not focused even on 'disclosure' of the information at start, at all, actually I was the one against it .. when people kept advising me to publish it somewhere .
I considered such a disclosure premature and the facts and science behind quite complex and complicated for general public to understand at once . Neither I lacked crowds ..

in the Bodhgaya gathering itself there were about 100 000 people assembled at that time ( most were Tibetan and other Buddhist countries monks and lay people but few thousands of various 'foreign nationals' from around the globe as well ) .
If those people were 'ready' , I could have also easily climbed on stage and tell them the news . Even if they would all understand English ..they'd never understand the technical parts .

After what we ( ALL) posted and shared here yesterday i am bit more conscious about the strategy of people asking me ( especially ) to prove them ..whatever . It's not well meant strategy because it jumps over my head and surpasses my genuine statement on what has actually happened .

As I 've said earlier .. most of them start waving hands around their head, wrapping themselves to illusory mist and talking of 'we know what are you going to tell us' .
They're wrong .

From my point of view , I have much to say and explain about it but I am exactly not who they expect . I am not human being with cheeks trying to fight someones healthy reasoning .
If I feel mistrust .. and I do see/feel through people a lot, I back up immediately . Or say a little .

It was serious, I am serious and feeling responsible . So unless I happen to speak to people with equal sort of planetary and universal sense of responsibility , genuine scientific interest , curiosity and concern ..
I can do actually, very little about it . Over the years .. they only taught me not to trust myself and others . Not to ask for help . Isolate myself from society .

I'm not approaching anybody for anything at this stage, except for very close friends . Really wary of this mankind.


I am aware of misunderstanding . I don't think it's even intentional . The problem is breach of confidence . As an individual of 'other origin' who is single , one, without support of any sort and did nothing wrong to anyone whatsoever ,
speaking truth and ready to justify the case ,
I think, I am entitled to some kind of protection and honest response . The people we have got through ..and to .. so far .. were far from being well informed and honest .

We speak of millions of institutions out there who could do the job vs one entity . And global chaos.


:hand:

[Omni]

One short bit of experiences I will post... There are so many good feeling technologies... I have been zapped, massaged, squarewaved etc in all sorts of ways.. One thing I found out, you can have orgasm feeling in any area of your body. I have been given female orgasms before via technology. At least that is how they were advertised... I believe the female orgasms coould have been the US government doing it to make me seem odd to people when I say it... I'll put it this way... "Would you like to feel what it feels like to have a female orgasm?" -Source that is capable of doing such

If you say no, I think you and me are monumentally apart in terms of curiousity. lol. I am a very curious person.. I also had at that point in my contact been given all sorts of experiences in this way of asking and then it happening... So essentially I have had orgasm feelings in areas a female would. I also have had orgasm energy put in my belly area and up my back.

One of the things they zapped me with occasionally early in my contact was something that reminds me of sqauerwaves(sound), except it is being done in a feeling instead of a sound. It's hard to explain but it works best in areas that are firm like your front area by your calf on the leg. Was a sweet feeling little thing.

Another experience I had with the "small whites"(real origin unknown) was one time I was told to lay down, i forget the rest of the dialogue. I laid down, and was greeted with all sorts of good feeling things. Technology massaging my muscles, the feeling of goosebumps or when you listen to music and it gives you that awesome goosebump feeling, that type of stuff waving all over my body, and a feeling kind of like orgasm energy but a little different on my scalp. It felt like my hair was growing, but felt amazingly good...

Technology can make one feel all sorts of good.. I also get good feeling things done to me every day via technology. I used to think it was the US government and I struggled to figure out why they would do such things to me. I eventually found a reasoning, but later found it was ETs doing the good feelings things to me. Somewhere in the hundreds of hours of telepathy barraged on me by the US government ETs worked in: "would you like good feeling things on your body?" I of course said yes... Ever since I have had on a daily basis all sorts of nice feeling things. They don't make my life complete, but they are nice little bonuses to things... So it's really a balance. I get all sorts of good feeling things and also all sorts of tortures...

I guess that wasn't short.. oh well. :)

[Agape]

I can get lots of peculiar sensations at times .. the problem with the subtle ones is that I'm not used to describe them .

I think they'd count to hundreds .. all very specific nature, something like your 'square waves' .

One that felt very special to me and kept occurring times to times, at the edge of sleep usually but not necessarily and at some odd times as well .. could not be described better than simultaneous occurrence of singularity and space expansion , in sort of bubble .
What I'd experience at that time/moment .. time .. is very focused presence of some tiny object within me that keeps getting smaller in size , almost to point of pen .. and smaller and smaller ... with palpable sensation of almost solid bubble ( sort of illusory body ) in place of your usual physical body sensations.
It's a very beautiful feeling . One of those . I can feel very blissful from deep within ... but am aware of that it should not be forcibly overdone .. because the flip side of this leads to imbalance .

:juggle:

[Agape]

Getting evidence for ET contact will be rough. There are very powerful groups that are very against any extraterrestrial disclosure, any true ET info, any ET anything really being subjected to the public. They are the ones who want their old control systems to work...


It's non-conceptual situation , if you know what I mean . One of its kind . It's sort of like candle burning from both ends .. the 'mission end' and the 'human end' as well , it should not be that way else it will burn too fast .
It's not something I can unsubscribe from - and say , let it be , go to do something else instead .

Apologies for this is your thread :panda:

[Agape]

The danger of this stage of human society is that they don't want as much to know/reflect on truth ,
they're not interested in facts , they're all after consensus of public opinion. Politics in another word .
They don't have time to hear how you feel or I feel or what each of us truly knows . On the other hand , they want us to agree on what someone else states and claims as 'good theory' . There are thousands of them out there and growing ..

It's the most of what you can make of it here or anywhere else, thousands of articles and references to 'important people' and their ideas . Seldom if any people take each other seriously unless .. they are friends to someones else's theory .

What do ETs have to do with this ? Frankly nothing .

But I can imagine being 'full blooded human' brings whole another mindset where they abide along ,
and they feel/gain their mind power by approving each other ... ad infinitum. Any kind of species does that . It's biological . Opening a window to another life in the Universe , other intelligence .. acknowledging it's right to exist without forcibly assimilating it to sort of fungal culture .. where anything human can flourish in its mushroomy state ,

seems to be difficult for humanity , in this stage .

[araucaria]

You are right Agape, much of science is consensus politics, which is the downside to peer reviewing, and has two consequences: 1) funding is funneled to agenda-based or pointless research (the sex life of the fruit fly in the context of climate change would win on both counts) and 2) if you research anything else, you are automatically out of the mainstream, and therefore a discredited maverick. Mainstream scientists are often in business with probability rates against chance of one in twenty or less, but discredited mavericks will regularly do as well as that if not considerably better, but owing to their subject matter, nothing is ever deemed proven, although on a level playing field any one such would be considered conclusive or at the very least a valid basis justifying further inquiry.
Here is one example taken from Maurice Chatelain. It involves mathematical evidence drawn from forensic evidence – imprints in the soil of 76 UFO landings – collected by the French police all over France over a 25-day period late in 1954. Many of these sites were along parallel lines exactly 63 km apart, a multiple of 21 cm, the wavelength of hydrogen that is a universal yardstick. One scientist calculated the number of triangles formed between these points (70,300), measured them all and found 1864 isosceles triangles. This is an interesting number because 70,300 divided by 1864 comes to 264/7 or twelve times 22/7, the vulgar fraction value of Pi used by ancient pyramid builders. All the coordinates and figures were checked and validated on a computer by another – skeptical – scientist. In addition, four different samples of 76 random points were checked for the average number of isosceles triangles they produced: each time in the low 1600s: around 250 less.

What happens with examples like this is that they take one so far beyond coincidence that the mind boggles. It is not just one event that is being validated, but a whole concerted array of 76, and the proof of that concertation involves a much larger number of triangles that must have been calculated with considerable skill and precisely positioned with even more skill. This is typical of this type of phenomena. People’s eyes glaze over at the intricacy of all the numbers fitting together, the same as they do when the Great Pyramid is analyzed. For most people demanding proof, they are obviously getting turned off or dazzled out by too much of a good thing.

The only way to bring people round is positive individual experiences comparable to the NDE. It have to be one person at a time since there is probably too much fear of negative technology being used to perform a mass disclosure. And understandably so: we are talking about a population that has been seriously traumatized by unwelcome intrusion.

[ulli]

You are right Agape, much of science is consensus politics, which is the downside to peer reviewing, and has two consequences: 1) funding is funneled to agenda-based or pointless research (the sex life of the fruit fly in the context of climate change would win on both counts) and 2) if you research anything else, you are automatically out of the mainstream, and therefore a discredited maverick. Mainstream scientists are often in business with probability rates against chance of one in twenty or less, but discredited mavericks will regularly do as well as that if not considerably better, but owing to their subject matter, nothing is ever deemed proven, although on a level playing field any one such would be considered conclusive or at the very least a valid basis justifying further inquiry.
Here is one example taken from Maurice Chatelain. It involves mathematical evidence drawn from forensic evidence – imprints in the soil of 76 UFO landings – collected by the French police all over France over a 25-day period late in 1954. Many of these sites were along parallel lines exactly 63 km apart, a multiple of 21 cm, the wavelength of hydrogen that is a universal yardstick. One scientist calculated the number of triangles formed between these points (70,300), measured them all and found 1864 isosceles triangles. This is an interesting number because 70,300 divided by 1864 comes to 264/7 or twelve times 22/7, the vulgar fraction value of Pi used by ancient pyramid builders. All the coordinates and figures were checked and validated on a computer by another – skeptical – scientist. In addition, four different samples of 76 random points were checked for the average number of isosceles triangles they produced: each time in the low 1600s: around 250 less.

What happens with examples like this is that they take one so far beyond coincidence that the mind boggles. It is not just one event that is being validated, but a whole concerted array of 76, and the proof of that concertation involves a much larger number of triangles that must have been calculated with considerable skill and precisely positioned with even more skill. This is typical of this type of phenomena. People’s eyes glaze over at the intricacy of all the numbers fitting together, the same as they do when the Great Pyramid is analyzed. For most people demanding proof, they are obviously getting turned off or dazzled out by too much of a good thing.

The only way to bring people round is positive individual experiences comparable to the NDE. It have to be one person at a time since there is probably too much fear of negative technology being used to perform a mass disclosure. And understandably so: we are talking about a population that has been seriously traumatized by unwelcome intrusion.

Herein lies the real problem, doesn't it?
But once a person decides to pursue this path just a little, and becomes enamoured with this incredible order
which seems to underlie everything at the macrocosm as well as the microcosm,
then to return to the old fascination with randomness and chaos becomes a challenge.