Solution Focused Threads Vs Pointless Circular Discussions

[Daozen]

A) Ebola will kill us all by 2015!

B) What natural remedies can minimize or cure Ebola?

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A) Is DC is using Mexican immigrants to destroy the US?

B) How can the US provide jobs for new arrivals, and stop the immigrant flood at the border?

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A) Is Water a right or a need?

B) What low cost products could provide water to 7 billion people?

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A) Intel! The bankers will crash the system in November!

B) What new financial websites can help provide jobs, capital and ideas to changemakers?

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I see some beautiful minds here, but there's no real search for solutions.

Instead of *What's there* a strategist asks *How can we get out?*

Circular armageddonist or proactive strategist?

Choose now!

[Xanth]

Ebola ... Don't know how good this info is .... However ...

http://drrimatruthreports.com/ebola-threat-dr-rima-recommends-nano-silver/

[chocolate]

And here one thought that the truth is born in the discussion... or is it?

As far as I can see you are addressing issues on the surface, and THAT could lead to a lot of discussion...

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Once I read that tobacco can help during an Ebola outbreak. I also know about some cures from the Chinese medicine.

[Violet]

I see some beautiful minds here, but there's no real search for solutions.

Instead of *What's there* a strategist asks *How can we get out?*

Circular armageddonist or proactive strategist?

Choose now!

Yes to proactivism.

No to absolutism.

There are people doing wonderful things both here on the forum and in the real world and though we can't always see who they are and what it is that they do exactly, they...live.

[Dennis Leahy]

Daozen, I applaud your effort to help people see that the same problem can be viewed from (at least) 2 perspectives: mugging victim or jiujitsu master.

Occasionally, new issues may arise where the initial reaction may be, "Hey, what is this?" (the discovery phase) and it makes sense that we would engage in discussion of the issue (three blind men describing an elephant is better than the description from any one of the three alone!)

But then, it would be healthy to quickly switch into the "deal with it" phase (which I suppose is a variant of the "fight or flight" action/reflex.)

Dennis

[13th Warrior]

To solve any problem you first have to identify the root cause; otherwise you are just treating the symptoms.

It looks as though you've outlined 4 symptoms to a greater problem...

[donk]

I come for the drama, and stay for the ideas.

It’s hard to come up with solutions based on tainted and incomplete information. REAL “solutions” require identifying REAL problems in your REAL life. Like it or not, on the internet you must sift through lots of people’s mental masturbation, their emotional vomiting on to pages, endless throwing of feces at perceived enemies or senselessly at the wall, and all other forms of human “communication” in order to glean the relatively fewer genuine attempts at transmitting information (and even fewer done in an effective way).

Unfortunately this is the reality, contrived from the various “communications” programs woven into the fabric of our culture. If you can be true to yourself, it’s more easy to discern the information you come across from others, I’ve found it more easy to find what I seek lately (thanks to brutal self-honesty). Not letting the bull**** effect you emotionally helps a lot too. Be honest with yourself about the information you consume….that’s not as intuitive as it may seem.

[Daozen]

Occasionally, new issues may arise where the initial reaction may be, "Hey, what is this?" (the discovery phase) and it makes sense that we would engage in discussion of the issue (three blind men describing an elephant is better than the description from any one of the three alone!)

But then, it would be healthy to quickly switch into the "deal with it" phase (which I suppose is a variant of the "fight or flight" action/reflex.)

OK you nailed it Dennis. It's good to have a discussion phase first, THEN move onto the solutions. I see a lot of analysis here, but not much else.

Yup, I might've been a little absolutist Violet.

Donk, yes, it's a mess. I'm just trying to put a little order into things. We could do so much better.

Do you guys want to be trapped in these meat suits for the next 50 years?


To solve any problem you first have to identify the root cause; otherwise you are just treating the symptoms.

It looks as though you've outlined 4 symptoms to a greater problem...

Maybe. I was going by the threads I saw here. It's good to break down a problem into smaller sub problems. Makes it easier to tackle.

[Pam]

Thanks for the thread Daozen!!! I had never posted on a thread let alone initiated one before joining PA. I have slowly come to discover that there is a real art to creating a successful thread and getting folks to participate in it. Thank you for pointers in how to create a thread and a discussion that is solution focused. I think this info can be applied to all areas of life where problem solving is required.

Respectfully ,
Pam

[joeecho]

When I first saw the title of this thread I thought the suggestion would be to have a form structure of: Forum-> Project Avalon => Solution Focused Threads and another one called Pointless Circular Discussions (for example).

The Project Avalon then elects a subcommittee headed by Doazen (just kidding) that determines where each thread falls between the two.

What should be kept in mind when thinking of structures or orders of things is that history is filled with stories of things/ ideas that were initially determined as pointless/ nonsense and only later determined to be anything but.

IMO, taken to the extreme, an idea such as this can be viewed as a form of censorship.

[Daozen]

IMO, taken to the extreme, an idea such as this can be viewed as a form of censorship.

You're right. Dennis struck a good middle ground. Debate it first, then try and find a solution.

1st Thread: WTF? Ebola outbreak in Africa.

2nd Thread: What nutritional supplements can counteract Ebola.

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I can be a little brusque sometimes, but skim "new posts". There's a hell of a lot of meandering and repetition. At this rate, it'll take years to restructure everything. It's people's right to flounder around if they want. And it's my right to call them out on it.


Thank you for pointers in how to create a thread and a discussion that is solution focused. I think this info can be applied to all areas of life where problem solving is required.

Thanks. Stanley Kubrick said filmmaking (life) is about distilling and problem solving. If you start with the right structure, the thread is 100x more useful.

[joeecho]

There's a hell of a lot of meandering and repetition.


Least we forget that in the course of infinity, every single thing is repetitive. It's only our selective memory that keeps us from remembering this on a practical scale.

Wouldn't it freak you out if your memory revealed to you that you've lived this exact life before? You might say to yourself, "what is the point in reliving a life exactly as before and not remembering it?" And I, as your other self, would whisper to you. "exactly".

The fact that it annoys you might mean your starting to remember.

[Daozen]

You mean like Twelve Monkeys?

I often feel I've made mistakes before, and I'm trapped in a kind of loop.

[Pris]

If I got Ebola... I think I'd try the vitamin C thing. What the heck. Urine Therapy/fasting. Drink at least a gallon of distilled water per day. Colloidal Silver. Blood electrification. And, watch 'Whose Line Is It Anyway?' non-stop.

You'll have to wait for the results (if I'm alive to tell you).

[East Sun]

What happened to desalination? Is it feasible to use as drinking water?

[Daozen]

I think it's getting more and more feasible as the price drops and new innovations come out East sun.

[Another1]

The engineer in me can't handle discussing a problem for too very long without trying to fix it. ( Women on the road behind told me it's a Taurus thing as well and quite annoying. ;) )

The emphasis mainstream is to discuss the problem and jeer at hope. "We're all gonna die."

I mentioned to our friends a while back how hopeless some of our problems seem and used the radiation spilling out everywhere as an example. Basically asked out right, "What the hell can my positive thinking do about that?"

Yesterday I was led to the following website and learned that cleaning up radiation is possible, doable, patented, 14 years ago.
Transmutations of Nuclear Waste (http://www.rexresearch.com/articles/nukewa.htm)
http://www.rexresearch.com/articles/nukewa.htm

[Pris]

The engineer in me can't handle discussing a problem for too very long without trying to fix it. ( Women on the road behind told me it's a Taurus thing as well and quite annoying. ;) )

The emphasis mainstream is to discuss the problem and jeer at hope. "We're all gonna die."

I mentioned to our friends a while back how hopeless some of our problems seem and used the radiation spilling out everywhere as an example. Basically asked out right, "What the hell can my positive thinking do about that?"

Yesterday I was led to the following website and learned that cleaning up radiation is possible, doable, patented, 14 years ago.
Transmutations of Nuclear Waste (http://www.rexresearch.com/articles/nukewa.htm)
http://www.rexresearch.com/articles/nukewa.htm


I'm an idealist and I can't handle discussing a problem for too long without trying to convince others to fix it lol! ;)

While we're on the subject of nuclear waste, here's an oldie but a goodie:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejCQrOTE-XA

[Milneman]

Ok, how about this?



A) Ebola will kill us all by 2015!


B) What natural remedies can minimize or cure Ebola?

Wash your hands and don't travel to Africa.

A) Is DC is using Mexican immigrants to destroy the US?

B) How can the US provide jobs for new arrivals, and stop the immigrant flood at the border?

Hire them to be border security guards at the Alaska-Canada side of the border. Trust me, if they realize they're going to have to wear parkas 80% of the year they won't cross.
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A) Is Water a right or a need?

B) What low cost products could provide water to 7 billion people?


Condoms. And common sense. Make more gay babies, have less people in one generation that require fresh water to drink (altho vodka martinis and cosmopolitans may end up being endangered).

A) Intel! The bankers will crash the system in November!

B) What new financial websites can help provide jobs, capital and ideas to changemakers?

Turn off your computers. Turn off your cell phones. Turn off your dependence on electronica and return to face-to-face in person transactions. If money frightens you, give it up. You can, in fact, live quite well without money. The reality is however most people won't try to, or will poo poo the idea because of the effort it requires...where did I put that damn candy crunch anyway....
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I see some beautiful minds here, but there's no real search for solutions.

Instead of *What's there* a strategist asks *How can we get out?*

Circular armageddonist or proactive strategist?

I'm going with good old fashioned common sense rationalism...but your milage may vary. ;)

Choose now!

[Hervé]

Fair Russia suggest depriving corrupt officials of state pensions (http://rt.com/politics/182624-russia-pensions-corruption-officials/)

Published time: August 25, 2014 13:34
Get short URL (http://rt.com/politics/182624-russia-pensions-corruption-officials/)


http://cdn.rt.com/files/news/2c/96/00/00/37.si.jpg

Oleg Mikheyev.(RIA Novosti / Vladimir Fedorenko)


Tags
Corruption (http://rt.com/tags/corruption/), Law (http://rt.com/tags/law/), Politics (http://rt.com/tags/politics/), Protest (http://rt.com/tags/protest/), Russia (http://rt.com/tags/russia/)

A leftist MP is urging changes to the law that would bar people convicted of corruption from official posts and receiving increased pensions.

MP Oleg Mikheyev of the Fair Russia parliamentary caucus told reporters that the new bill concerns those who commit crimes “against the state authority, the interests of civil service and the interests of municipal power bodies.” The politician further explained it meant bribery and graft. The bill also bans the employment as civil servants of anyone who had been sentenced to five or more years in prison for economic crimes.

“Officials must completely lose the opportunity to capitalize on their posts,” the MP said.

The politician said the authors of the bill had based it on the experience of Singapore, and added that it had practically extinguished corruption using such methods.

According to the present rules civil servants receive increased pensions – the bonus for 25 or more years of service can reach 70 percent of average salary of the last working year.

Mikheyev also said that a similar rule would soon be introduced in Belarus, and it makes sense to “harmonize” the laws in the Eurasian Union states.

Fair Russia is a center-left party that shares the general objectives of the current parliamentary majority United Russia, but objects to particular practices and concentrates on criticizing corruption in the ranks of the present authorities.

Earlier suggestions to toughen the anti-corruption laws were voiced by Prosecutor General Yuri Chaika and by President Vladimir Putin – both complained the softening of legislation in 2011 was not working.

In fall 2013 President Putin chaired a session of the Anti-Corruption Council (http://rt.com/politics/putin-corruption-tolerance-zero-965/) – a special body of top law enforcers and state officials and said only eight percent of people convicted for taking bribes received prison sentences, while the majority got away with fines that the criminals managed not to pay by using various loopholes.

Putin then told the council members that he expected them to submit suggestions for fighting corruption, suggesting to start with the area of community services, consumer markets and government tenders.

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Who would love to see something like that taking place in those US of A?

... you know... tracking down those folks who received incentives from Monsanto, Fat Pharma, weapon dealer contractors, drug cartels, energy consortium... instead of shooting unarmed teenagers...

[Carmody]

Be not of fear, but be aware that there is a fully fleshed out and fully enabled and financed mechanism within the overall north American system of societal control, and this arm or mechanism - has but one job.

That job is to probe deeply into anyone, anything and any group that proposes actions or solutions to any perceived wrong or perceived ill.

It is a powerfully connected and enabled system, for taking down, via any method possible, anyone or anything that proposes fixing this mess.

For all of the negativity that may have been heaped in the direction of 'Charles', on this website and wherever/whomever, recall he did speak directly on this subject, of how such offices and people exist to do this exact kind of dirty work, in the darker corners, so that it is not seen or understood (to exist) within the general public.

A bit more on this, in the specific:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?74251-Sott.net-server-taken-down&p=869518&viewfull=1#post869518