Why are there beginnings and endings?

[joeecho]

If there is a infinite and everything is of this infinite then why are there beginnings and endings? Or is infinite and finite simply contrasts to entertain.

Maybe I am looking at this the wrong way or just tired but maybe there are those on this board who have spent time with this.

Even a clue to help me on my way would be helpful....

[johnf]

Quite a good question, don't wrap your mind around that or it might break forever.
(maybe not a bad thing, proceed at your own risk however)
However, gut feeling wise, infinite seamless reality makes a lot of sense to me.
I am looking at my monitor right now and everything about my normal consciousness screams that the screen, and the frame are two separate parts, two separate materials etc.
Yet both are contained as the monitor.
I will post a video at the end of this post that I have watched several times, using the monitor ,and the wall behind it ,the space between those two objects as the subject of my
inquiry.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LcfcnCa9hps

It is important to find a way to actually experience this seamless unified reality for our selves, without turning it into an intellectual exercise, like Scott says.

I had an experience as a young lad laying on my back in the backyard trying to imagine the edge of the universe ,and I could never contain it, I build imaginary boxes etc, and I always wondered what was out side of that till I got the idea, or was told of neverendingness, or infinity, if you prefer real words.

Scott's methods are aimed at looking at our own experience so we can get more comfortable in our bodies and lives, for me trying some of it let to a strong certainty that separation is a great tool for parking cars, getting to meetings on time etc, but it is not a real absolute thing, it is "unfindable".

David Bohm seems to have come up with a pretty good explanation of how everything is just one seamless field, but it does not seemed to be accepted by a lot of scientists.

http://www.spaceandmotion.com/Physics-David-Bohm-Holographic-Universe.htm

That article was a bit rough to get through, but I found it helpful.

"Or is infinite and finite simply contrasts to entertain." I would tend to agree that the contrasts, relative beginnings and endings, are indeed there for entertainment, perhaps adventure is a better word for it.
And perhaps that is the basic purpose of the existence of the multiverse, contrasts, and intensity of experience to create a fun adventure.

May we all continue looking and asking these questions, the answers will probably continue to come and go.

I felt compelled to come back and add this subtle, but important clarification.

Why are there beginnings, and endings presupposes that there are. To turn a question into a pure exploration one can simply ask, are there, beginnings and endings. Given a particular idea, one can look at it and question it's reality, until a new awareness is arrived at. Then at an appropriate time, that new awareness can be questioned. I shall try to hush now.

John

[grannyfranny100]

TIME.

Here's a wonderful documentary, not directly about time but about assumptions in our world. The Lottery of Birth http://www.hulu.com/watch/567185 It's also a good one for family and friends who rise their eyebrow at your spiritual directions.

[Violet]

Earth too is spherical.

[johnf]

TIME.

Here's a wonderful documentary, not directly about time but about assumptions in our world. The Lottery of Birth http://www.hulu.com/watch/567185 It's also a good one for family and friends who rise their eyebrow at your spiritual directions.

I am just a few minutes into that video, it is a delightful discussion of beliefs, perceptions, and behaviors.

John

[Stephanie]

We are travelers on a cosmic journey,

stardust,swirling and dancing

in the eddies and whirpools of infinity.

Life is eternal.

We have stopped for a moment

to encounter each other,

to meet,to love,to share.

This is a precious moment.

It is a little parenthesis in eternity.


-Paulo Coelho

[Rich]

Without beginning and end nothing could happen and nothing could exist except the absolute.

[johnf]

Without beginning and end nothing could happen and nothing could exist except the absolute.

Does anything happen besides the absolute? Can you find it? If you find what appears to be a beginning or end bring it to the absolute, and compare it.
Beginnings and endings make sense to the senses, because the senses create those appearances.
Indeed the body seems to create the sense of self , yet feeling sense can "see" through the body, and all boundaries.
Feelings ones emotions fully without labeling them, or analyzing them tends to relax them, and something beyond that feeling shows up. Usually if an emotion hangs up there is a thought attached to it that can be seen through, going through a series of these causes beliefs to fall away.
This stuff is neigh impossible to do without a guide ,but some can accomplish it.
At least some sense that there is always more than what one has perceived can be felt, if that is persistently pursued,
it can become a habit.

John

[Rich]

Yes John.

Also, beginning and end or time and space same thing.

[Skyhaven]

The root of our human perception is that everything SEEMS divided in a multitude of poles, however the reality beyond our perception is not.

But since we have human perception the only things we can reason about are polarized. The root pole is that the finite is opposed by the infinite. One of the major instances of that root pole is that things SEEMINGLY begin and end, but this can only happen GIVEN its embedding in infinity.

If you want to further reason above the root pole of perception, there is nothing to be said: it is BEYOND us. It is the realm of the one (s) with more advanced perception(s). The ones that have the perception of ONENESS.

So why are there beginnings and endings? Because 'unendings' exist also.

[Finefeather]

If there is a infinite and everything is of this infinite then why are there beginnings and endings? Or is infinite and finite simply contrasts to entertain.

Maybe I am looking at this the wrong way or just tired but maybe there are those on this board who have spent time with this.

Even a clue to help me on my way would be helpful....
It is my view and understanding that the concept of infinity is man made due to our inability to see or detect the boundaries of the Cosmos.
In esoterics it is stated that there are many Cosmoses which we have no idea of because we cannot even get to grips with the size of our Cosmos.
Each of these Cosmoses is a full blown system of life in some form.

Trying to come to terms with such vast distances is beyond us at our very low level of consciousness and I feel it is a waste of time to mull over this when we should be concentrating our efforts towards unity of us little men.

We have got to the stage of evolution where our great egos are in denial of our ignorance and so we believe things which we have no idea of, and unable to prove or comprehend.

The 'beginnings and endings' is merely another term for cycles of manifestation...everything that exists has a cycle and this we can actually see all around us...in all kingdoms...reincarnation, for example, is a cycle and it is an esoteric fact or truth that all cycles have one thing in common...the evolution of the manifestation...which leads to the evolution of the Cosmos.

Take care
Ray

[Finefeather]

Sorry :) I meant to share one more thing about infinity and my mind got distracted...old age setting in :)

We often see infinity as distance in a 3D physical world but infinity also is present in the other two aspects of life...consciousness(soul) and energy(spirit).

Consciousness, from an individual point of view, is very small compared to the consciousness of the entire Cosmos...which we all have equal rights to. Our level of consciousness is a result of our thousands of years of evolution and we should be content in the knowledge that whatever we experience is adding to our own consciousness as well as to that of the entire Cosmos.

We, in our ignorance, believe we almost know it all, when in fact we have hardly brushed the surface of truth and knowledge of the cosmos...time to become more humble.


Energy is the same...we have no idea what vast amounts of energy are potentially available to those who's consciousness allows them to be in command of it.

We can see in life the potential of just the energy which we have come to understand...and some have used to destroy and hold the world at ransom.

Luckily for us life has laws which determine the access to these higher...'infinite' energies...and the most important one is that these higher energies are only available when consciousness is at the point where destructive use of these energies is completely out of the question because as we grow in consciousness destruction gives way to love and unity...it is only humans who in their ignorance use the known lesser energies for their own agendas and profit.

Take care
Ray

[Peace of Mind]

We are the magnificent insignificant, so amazing, so resilient, yet so withdrawn and fragile. We are unique as individuals…thou our collective mind set forge the future. We are “consciousness” in a divided format… but we’re using temporary bio vehicles “the human body” for the purpose of learning from its self (via emotions).This can only happen in a physical form.

There’s nothing more phenomenal than the Human. We amazing beings can create anything, any reality from our focused intent. Nothing in our reality has come from anywhere else…other than our minds. Lessons and blessings are experienced and acquired through learning/teaching/serving. Our time here is precious, every second, every breath is a privileged. We’re in a class getting schooled for evolutionary progress.

The principle behind “Beginnings and Endings” …is being active in the moment, using certain knowledge we’ve obtained to advance the mind, prepping it to expand far beyond the confined. As the value in our experiences/wisdom rises…so will our clarity, power, deeds, and responsibilities. We are suppose to be different/ vigilant/ and ambitious. But an idle mind is a lost soul… often seeking company of like minds because it’s unsure of itself/uncomfortable by its self/ hesitant to stand on its own rationale and convictions…so they express the need to feel accepted instead of expressing their divinity.

In the end of this journey; you should feel full, and harbor no regrets….you’ll be ready for the next classes/realms/dimensions/…where realities function differently, a reserved understanding of responsibility/courage/and love through activities will most likely be required to function properly while creating prosperity on grander scales. Unfortunately, many hesitate to rise to the occasions; therefore they create voids/ emptiness in their lives. Despair, fear and doubt control their movements…to the point where their true life purpose is shunted and ends bleak and incomplete, they face defeat and will repeat. It will be hard to move on when the mind is processing fears and disempowering thoughts. Fear is such a weak emotion, there’s no essence…it’s only a speculation of the unknown, nothing more or less. Never operate out of fear; it will hinder your progress. There’s nothing more powerful than us, you’ll never find anything more powerful than us…only powerful psychological trickery created by us.

The time is always “now”, and that defines its illusionary state. It’s only there to measure movement through space…documenting our plight through adverse conditions.

Peace

[joeecho]

Quite a good question, don't wrap your mind around that or it might break forever.
(maybe not a bad thing, proceed at your own risk however)


Wow, this is a potent statement in itself. Maybe there is a reason I am trying to break my own mind. It has been suggested that I think too much.

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You know what a thinker does though, it thinks about why it thinks too much. It's a vicious cycle. I mean, how do you stop an avalanche that has no intention of stopping?

Perhaps the key is to regulate the thinking like a person would it regulating how much time their child plays video games. Is it about balance then?

Then there is the 'do as one will' but know the consequence will be ....... etc. I guess in that scenario, I do not know the full consequence....at least consciously.


P.s. Thank you to evryone that responded. It means more to me then you might realize.

[johnf]

Quite a good question, don't wrap your mind around that or it might break forever.
(maybe not a bad thing, proceed at your own risk however)


Wow, this is a potent statement in itself. Maybe there is a reason I am trying to break my own mind. It has been suggested that I think too much.

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Well I might be dealing with similar states to to what you are experiencing.
I posted the Scott Kiloby video, because that approach has been the most helpful approach to me.
In my case, I think I get into compulsive thinking in order to escape feeling what's going on in my body.
Sometimes we can feel like a ping pong ball bouncing back and forth between two paddles. thoughts, and feelings.
Looking down into the body and sensing what is there without trying to change it is a very helpful, yet very difficult thing
for me to stay with.

Finefeather's points about dealing with where we are are very pertinent.
I feel that mankind's present task is to learn how to feel emotions instead of acting them out, and in the process
false ideas will show up, and we can ask ourselves, is this true?
Have we experienced it for ourselves?
This process can go far in taking apart false belief systems.


Your OP got me excited for some reason, and I have learned a lot from everyone's posts here.
Thank you all.

John

[joeecho]

I often wonder if 'seeking' can become an addiction long after what has been sought has been found (that was never really lost). Kind of like a heroine addict chasing the dragon. Looking again and again for that elusive pursuit of the ultimate high. Trying to recapture that initial euphoria. (Makes one wonder if in the deep recesses of our brain we have a vague memory of Eden/ Paradise/ Heaven. It was so intense that it left a permanent imprint deep inside us).

Note: Eden/ Paradise/ Heaven might not be 'real' but it sure did leave an impression. (A quote from Bill Hicks: "The world is like a ride at an amusement park, and when you choose to go on it, you think it's real, because that's how powerful our minds are."


A clip in the move The Matrix comes to mind (perhaps regarding that addiction/ euphoria I mentioned) as I write this.....

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Morpheus: I imagine that right now, you're feeling a bit like Alice. Hmm? Tumbling down the rabbit hole?

Neo: You could say that.

Morpheus: I see it in your eyes. You have the look of a man who accepts what he sees because he is expecting to wake up. Ironically, that's not far from the truth. Do you believe in fate, Neo?

Neo: No.

Morpheus: Why not?

Neo: Because I don't like the idea that I'm not in control of my life.

Morpheus: I know *exactly* what you mean. Let me tell you why you're here. You're here because you know something. What you know you can't explain, but you feel it. You've felt it your entire life, that there's something wrong with the world. You don't know what it is, but it's there, like a splinter in your mind, driving you mad. It is this feeling that has brought you to me. Do you know what I'm talking about?

Neo: The Matrix.

Morpheus: Do you want to know what it is?

Neo: Yes.

Morpheus: The Matrix is everywhere. It is all around us. Even now, in this very room. You can see it when you look out your window or when you turn on your television. You can feel it when you go to work... when you go to church... when you pay your taxes. It is the world that has been pulled over your eyes to blind you from the truth.

Neo: What truth?

Morpheus: That you are a slave, Neo. Like everyone else you were born into bondage. Into a prison that you cannot taste or see or touch. A prison for your mind.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbYirSi08m4

[ghostrider]

energy may change forms but it doesn't cease to be ... think of yourself as the universe in a body , for now , but one day , a spirit roaming the universe , all you can do is FEEL , and just be ... you are eternity ... eternity changing forms , slowly , slowly , first a drop of water , then a small fetus , then a small boy , then a young man , then a man , then a middle aged man , then an older man , evolving , gaining knowledge , slowly , slowly , and one day all that knowledge opens a door , you change again and take that knowledge out into the universe , making it more beautiful , then one day returning to that drop of water , the circle of life begins again , hence no ending , no beginning , you just are ...

[Natalia]

http://www.creativity103.com/collections/Lightfantastic/light_line_squiggle.jpg

When people say "when you finally..." and "never..."...and "always"...I kinda of, don't really relate to it (most of the time...)...

[joeecho]

energy may change forms but it doesn't cease to be ... think of yourself as the universe in a body , for now , but one day , a spirit roaming the universe , all you can do is FEEL , and just be ... you are eternity ... eternity changing forms , slowly , slowly , first a drop of water , then a small fetus , then a small boy , then a young man , then a man , then a middle aged man , then an older man , evolving , gaining knowledge , slowly , slowly , and one day all that knowledge opens a door , you change again and take that knowledge out into the universe , making it more beautiful , then one day returning to that drop of water , the circle of life begins again , hence no ending , no beginning , you just are ...

If I understand this right, we are like a stem cell that differentiates through a cycle?

Could it be like riding a cycle instead of being the cycle (i.e. sometimes the molecules of the grease, the grease, sprocket, chain, tire, wheel, sprockets, axil etc.)?

Maybe the cycle does not recognize the rider because it is not part of it and thus mysterious to it?

Since we have identified ourselves in/ on a cycle (molecules of the grease, the grease, sprocket, chain, tire, wheel, sprockets, axil etc.) we do not recognize ourselves as the rider separate from the cycle. Separate in that while we are riding the cycle we appear as one with the cycle but once we dismount the cycle it is only then that it is clear that we are separate from it.

http://exumchiropractic.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/bikerider.jpg

[joeecho]

When people say "when you finally..." and "never..."...and "always"...I kinda of, don't really relate to it (most of the time...)...

Hey! How did you get a picture of my mind at work? That is confidential!

When you get to the "end" of my mind, send me a picture of that too. Hopefully it isn't a flat line!

CLEAR! ;)

http://www.britsattheirbest.com//images/ii_defibrillator.gif

http://cdn2-b.examiner.com/sites/default/files/styles/image_content_width/hash/c0/d7/c0d73781a930c5330f7edd8e8f08fcc4.jpg?itok=Xj9YXGuR

[Natalia]

When people say "when you finally..." and "never..."...and "always"...I kinda of, don't really relate to it (most of the time...)...

Hey! How did you get a picture of my mind at work? That is confidential!

When you get to the "end" of my mind, send me a picture of that too. Hopefully it isn't a flat line!

CLEAR! ;)

hehe :)

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[joeecho]

If there is a infinite and everything is of this infinite then why are there beginnings and endings? Or is infinite and finite simply contrasts to entertain.

Maybe I am looking at this the wrong way or just tired but maybe there are those on this board who have spent time with this.

Even a clue to help me on my way would be helpful....

How is this, friends.... The infinite (in this scenario, our Universe) is the Grand Fair and the rides and attractions are the finite (no thrills and chills without a beginning or ending, right?).

Just a thought as I get sleepy for the evening round...

http://static.ddmcdn.com/gif/blogs/dnews-files-2013-03-universe-guide-660x433-130328-jpg.jpg