Unexplained Phenomena, Potentially Explained (All Cases)

[Omni]

Thought some people may gain from my perspective on this, so here goes...

All unexplained phenomena in earth society can be explained by (covert)technology. I am not saying it all IS technology. Just that all of it can be explained by technology. Every case...

Here are some things I know for sure can be done technologically:
•Psychic Phenomena
•Remote Viewing
•Channeling
•OBEs/Synthetic Dreams
•Telepathy
•Weather/Earthquakes/Volcanos
•Psychic Attack
•Demonic Possession
•Practically Every Phenomenon experienced can be explained by covert technology.

Every single thing in the universe has scientific mechanics applied to such. For example, every thought/feeling/emotion you have has scientific mechanics that relate to such. Everything has scientific mechanics... Technology can control pretty much all of it at it's apex. Some things I believe could be purely technological and have been covert technology in us, to fool us at times(or just be misidentified) as it being natural, when it is covert technology... The dark ETs are very good at fooling people of illusions, and it is one of their favorite things to do if I had to guess... The US shadow government also is very active in perpetrating illusions...

A couple more bits:
-The All Seeing Eye is Artificial Intelligence that keeps track of literally everything from what I've learned(All thoughts, happenings, all informations, etc)... Access to the all seeing eye could be called psychic when it is really ET influence, not a natural psychic ability. I believe many accurate psychics have technological assistance by extraterrestrials(their guides), and maybe even the US shadow government... I could be wrong but that is where I am at right now regarding psychics...

-It is my view the true akashic records, are actually done by extraterrestrial technology, documenting the history of worlds is a noble and much needed task given how much obfuscation and deception is interwoven into our 'scholarly' history... Regardless if you think it's possible the akashic records are actually in physical ET hard drives or not, access to such a thing would be a big thing for psychics and remote viewers alike.. And I believe sometimes such things are 'in practice' when giving people intuitional guidance etc from ETs.

So, in conclusion, every phenomenon on earth can be explained by technology. Not nec caused by technology, but in making theory about events, technology should practically always be considered IMHO. if you want to test this hypothesis feel free to post something and I can give you how it can be done via technology if you would like. I am extremely experienced in advanced technology...

[Omni]

Experienced a pretty severe attack after posting this thread... Apparently they didn't like me doing such. Nausea sucks :(

[truth4me]

Omniverse a question. Do you think we have lived this life already and could we be caught in a time loop of sorts?

[Omni]

Omniverse a question. Do you think we have lived this life already and could we be caught in a time loop of sorts?
I'm a firm believer in one organic timeline for the universe that we are all connected to. I'm also a firm believer that time travel back into the past, or distant future is not a reality. In saying such I mean you can't go back to now from the future. I think time has mechanics that involve some open source mechanics, but I don't think we can time travel back like 2000 years or anything like that. I don't for example, think ETs are us from the future. Maybe like us but not us IMHO.

I believe the future, which the now passes through, is not set in stone. I believe the best ways TPTB know the future, is by controlling what goes on in the now. Not by projecting into an actual future... Also by predictions, and also analysis of other worlds that were in similar stages to us right now at another time.

Sorry for rambling... I don't think our full timeline is a loop in any way really. One can experience 'groundhog day' effects but I don't think we have lived these lives before. It's possible we have had very similar lives in the past though. So we could resonate with being in a loop that way I could see.. Some of us have lived in these times on other worlds in our incarnation history. Meaning on other worlds in the same developmental period...

[Tyy1907]

As I read Omnis first post I too felt a bit of nausea, followed by sexual energy type of feeling. Strange.

[wnlight]

Omni, back on June 18th I posted a prediction that the US secret military would mount an attack on Japan in 2018 using a newer, stronger tectonic pulse weapon which will destroy Japan. That they had caused the Japan earthquake in 2011 using HAARP. Shortly after, I got an email message letting me know that I am being carefully watched. My question is, do you think that the earthquakes in Japan, New Zealand and others were man-made? My information and confirmation has only come from meditation and dowsing.

[Omni]

Omni, back on June 18th I posted a prediction that the US secret military would mount an attack on Japan in 2018 using a newer, stronger tectonic pulse weapon which will destroy Japan. That they had caused the Japan earthquake in 2011 using HAARP. Shortly after, I got an email message letting me know that I am being carefully watched. My question is, do you think that the earthquakes in Japan, New Zealand and others were man-made? My information and confirmation has only come from meditation and dowsing.
I'm not sure if they were man-made or not. I like to work with probabilities when I'm working with conspiracy theory. I'd say Japan earthquake in 2011(if thats the right year) was a 50/50 chance to be man-made or not. But I'm rather clueless about it's finer details. Others may be able to say a bigger percentage either way..

I predicted the earthquake in japan in the icke chatroom vaguely as well. I just said Japan will likely be hit with an earthquake, along with new york potentially having to install measures against a rising sea level(and seattle+ others).. All of it had no time limit in it though. I meant in a very long time for new york and seattle etc.

Sorry I can't be of more help. But I don't know the answer to your question.

[ghostrider]

I must totally agree , these things can be done by technology ... all the more important that humans learn to control their thinking ...

[Frank V]

Omniverse a question. Do you think we have lived this life already and could we be caught in a time loop of sorts?
I'm a firm believer in one organic timeline for the universe that we are all connected to. I'm also a firm believer that time travel back into the past, or distant future is not a reality. In saying such I mean you can't go back to now from the future. I think time has mechanics that involve some open source mechanics, but I don't think we can time travel back like 2000 years or anything like that. I don't for example, think ETs are us from the future. Maybe like us but not us IMHO. [...]


Time travel is possible, but not in the way it is typically interpreted or shown in movies, et al. One can go back to a point in the past on the current timeline, but if one attempts to alter the timeline by altering the events from the past, then this will not have repercussions on the timeline you left from. As soon as you alter anything to the events of the past, you branch off a new timeline for yourself, and as such, you will have influenced "the future", but not the one on the timeline whence you left.

I have tried to explain this once before here on Avalon. Imagine that you are stepping into a time machine. The clock on the wall in the room containing the time machine says "10:00". Your watch also says "10:00". You set the time machine for a trip to 06:00. The trip will take 2 minutes. You engage the time machine. After two minutes, you step outside, and the clock on the wall says "06:00", but your watch will say "10:02". That's because while you were travelling to the past of the timeline you were on, the moment of your arrival there is actually a point two minutes into the future from where you left on your own, personal timeline.

All of this may seem confusing, but it's not, really, if you consider that our very presence here is in fact, at the grander level of Creation, an illusion. You are not really here, and the people you interact with are only other emanations of the same primary consciousness of Source. We are all individuals and we're all different, but the consciousness that makes us into living beings, is one and the same for each and every one of us.

Think of your computer. Think of your refrigerator. Think of your television. In and of themselves, these things represent nothing at all. They are boat anchors, or paperweights. But what makes them into the devices they are, is electricity. It's the same electricity that flows through your computer as what flows through your refrigerator and through your television. And with electricity, your computer becomes a computer, your refrigerator becomes a refrigerator, and your television becomes a television. It's all the same electricity, but it is this electricity which allows each individual device to become what it was intended to be.

Therefore, when you travel back to the past - even if only by a few hours - and you interact with the people you know there, at that particular moment in time, which is in the past from where you left, then you have altered the timeline already, and then you are on a new timeline. On this new timeline, you will be able to interact with the people you know, but they are merely projections in that particular reality. And they will behave exactly as you expected them to behave. They are the same people, but you are experiencing them as who they are only in your own reality.

In essence, the same is true for all of us here at this point in time, without time travel. And that is because in terms of consciousness, we are all one and the same, and there is only One. It's an illusion that we are many. Not a bad illusion, mind you. I for one am happy that I am me, and I have no desire to become a singularity-kind of being. I am happy to be an individual among many other individuals. But it still is an illusion, because there is in essence only Source, the Prime Creator. It is the primary of all illusions: the separation between Self and Other.

That all said and with both of our feet both back on the ground, what happens to the timeline you left from is that you can only return to it if you haven't actually changed the past. If you have changed it, then you will return to what you thought was the present, but this is a point in the future of the point in the past that you seek to return from. It'll no longer be on the timeline you left from in the first place. So to those on that original timeline, you have simply gone elsewhere and nobody knows where, while from your own point of view, you will have travelled back to the past, made a change, and then gone back to "the present" from which you left, and things are not quite the same anymore as when you left on your trip to the past.

Complicated, huh? :-D



I believe the future, which the now passes through, is not set in stone. I believe the best ways TPTB know the future, is by controlling what goes on in the now. Not by projecting into an actual future... Also by predictions, and also analysis of other worlds that were in similar stages to us right now at another time.

The future is never set in stone, but the events of the present (and also those of the past) will limit the possible outcomes of the future. There will always be junction points - choices - and so there will always be multiple possibilities, but the number of possibilities for the future is already partly confined by the actions of the moment.

By consequence, traveling to the future is possible, but it will only be a potential future, not the future, because there is no such thing.



Sorry for rambling... I don't think our full timeline is a loop in any way really. One can experience 'groundhog day' effects but I don't think we have lived these lives before. It's possible we have had very similar lives in the past though. So we could resonate with being in a loop that way I could see.. Some of us have lived in these times on other worlds in our incarnation history. Meaning on other worlds in the same developmental period...

No Groundhog Day scenario, but certain things are cyclic. Time does not really pass from moment to moment - by which I mean "timestamps on a clock" - but rather from event to event. And certain events do reoccur, even if ever so slightly differently. As a more prosaic example, we could look at what Hegel said, which basically boils down to "Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it."

And that is something we see all the time. :-)

[Omni]

Time travel is possible, but not in the way it is typically interpreted or shown in movies, et al. One can go back to a point in the past on the current timeline, but if one attempts to alter the timeline by altering the events from the past, then this will not have repercussions on the timeline you left from. As soon as you alter anything to the events of the past, you branch off a new timeline for yourself, and as such, you will have influenced "the future", but not the one on the timeline whence you left.
The problem I have with this theory is if you create a whole new timeline, does that mean every other person is not a real person? Are they not real souls experiencing the universe just like you connected to you? Sorry but I totally discount such an ideas based on that premise alone. It debunks it IMHO. I could be missing something though of course... But I find it absolutely illogical that all the other people I interact with are not real souls having an experience...

Also, I do not define reality as an illusion. I define false concepts and ideas illusions...

[wnlight]

Aragorn, No man ever steps into the the same river twice. - Heraclitus

[Frank V]

Time travel is possible, but not in the way it is typically interpreted or shown in movies, et al. One can go back to a point in the past on the current timeline, but if one attempts to alter the timeline by altering the events from the past, then this will not have repercussions on the timeline you left from. As soon as you alter anything to the events of the past, you branch off a new timeline for yourself, and as such, you will have influenced "the future", but not the one on the timeline whence you left.

The problem I have with this theory is if you create a whole new timeline, does that mean every other person is not a real person?

Yes and no. The only thing that is actually real is that there is a single consciousness, being Source itself. From there on, everything is an illusion, created by Source for the sake of its own desire to experience. Of course, in this illusion, we all exist as individuals, with our own properties. But it is the Primary Consciousness of Source which allows us to be who we are, and which allows us to be individuals.


Are they not real souls experiencing the universe just like you connected to you? Sorry but I totally discount such an ideas based on that premise alone. It debunks it IMHO. I could be missing something though of course... But I find it absolutely illogical that all the other people I interact with are not real souls having an experience...

That is not what I said. ;-) By being on the same timeline as others, you are part of the group consciousness field of those others, but you are still an individual, so you can wander away from that, for instance by placing yourself on a different timeline. At that moment, you have created a new reality for yourself, and the people you see are the reflections of other souls whom you knew on the original timeline, and they will behave just as they did there, but their actions in your reality and their re-action to your presence there will of course only exist in your reality. So they are not "duplicates".

They are who they are, but you will have created an alternate reality, which will add another aspect to each individual person's consciousness as an alternate timeline which they will be able to access via meditation, but which they are not experiencing directly as their own consciousness is still focused on the original timeline from which you chose to depart.

Think of multiple strings, braided into a thin rope, and multiple thin ropes braided into a thicker rope, and thicker ropes braided into a cable. That's how parallel realities work, and the strings are each person's individual consciousness, whereas the thin ropes are the group consciousness of the timeline they are on, the thicker rope is the group consciousness of all of Earth across all timelines, and so on. (This analogy was brought forth in Bill Ryan's interview of Inelia Benz.)



Also, I do not define reality as an illusion. I define false concepts and ideas illusions...

The illusion is at the level of Source. Beyond Source, everything is an illusion - literally everything. You do not have to see that as a negative thing, because it's not about deception. It's about the experience. Source is conscious, and Source is knowledge, but knowledge alone is worthless to Source without that there is also an experience to explain what that knowledge - read: "information" - means.

It is hard to comprehend, but it is all real and illusion at the same time. When you are having a dream while you are sleeping, everything there seems real to you as well: the people you interact with, the places where you go. Sometimes something "surreal" may enter your dream, but that's because dreams are a product of consciousness having to overcome the limitations of a brain which is only partly cognitive, given that it is asleep. But nevertheless, while you are in the dream, you typically don't know that you are dreaming - unless you are having lucid dreams every single night.

So what is "real"? What does that word mean? It's all subjective, and subjectivity is one of the primary reasons behind Creation. Subjectivity is the experience.

We are all one, and yet we are all distinct. Or as someone else once put it, "We all only exist in God's dreams."

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Aragorn, No man ever steps into the the same river twice. - Heraclitus

May I ask to what concretely you are referring? Hopefully not to the Hegelian interpretation of "Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it", because I'm afraid that many people are stepping into the same river again as they already have... and many times before, even.

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Hmmm... I don't know where that "post update" thing came from. I tried to make that two very distinct replies, but somehow the forum engine insists that they go into one single post. Weird... :-/

[Omni]

Yes and no. The only thing that is actually real is that there is a single consciousness, being Source itself. From there on, everything is an illusion, created by Source for the sake of its own desire to experience.

I find such beliefs somewhat disempowering personally, and likely not true. It's the type of new age stuff I believe is psy op stuff Mark Passio brilliantly talks about...

I do find such concepts a little selfish for this source. So everything is for God and not for anything else? I couldn't disagree more with you.


The illusion is at the level of Source. Beyond Source, everything is an illusion - literally everything.
I exist. So does my mother. She and I are on the same timeline. You and I are on the same universal timeline. I find the idea kind of ridiculous that the people I interact with are not really people. Sorry I just find it totally incorrect.

By your own logic, am I not even speaking to you? Am I not real to you? Are there not readers of this material having their own experience, real?

[Frank V]

Yes and no. The only thing that is actually real is that there is a single consciousness, being Source itself. From there on, everything is an illusion, created by Source for the sake of its own desire to experience.

I find such beliefs somewhat disempowering personally, and likely not true. It's the type of new age stuff I believe is psy op stuff Mark Passio brilliantly talks about...

I don't see why it would be. It makes perfect sense, in every possible way.



I do find such concepts a little selfish for this source. So everything is for God and not for anything else? I couldn't disagree more with you.

How can Source be selfish if Source is all that exists? But to understand that, you must think of the very beginning of Creation. This is actually something which stands above time and space, and therefore hard to understand by the human mind.





The illusion is at the level of Source. Beyond Source, everything is an illusion - literally everything.

I exist. So does my mother. She and I are on the same timeline. You and I are on the same universal timeline. I find the idea kind of ridiculous that the people I interact with are not really people. Sorry I just find it totally incorrect.

Again, that is not what I said. That is what you interpret from my words.

You do exist. Your mother does exist. I do exist. We all do exist. And yet, what does that mean, "to exist"? Because in the end, all there really is, is Creation, and Creation is an illusion which Source has brought upon itself so as to be able to experience itself as All That Is And All That Is Not.



By your own logic, am I not even speaking to you? Am I not real to you? Are there not readers of this material having their own experience, real?

Please read again what I have written higher up, but this time, try seeing it from the grander perspective of Source itself. By claiming that you exist outside of Source, you are actually saying that Source did not create you. Source most certainly did create you, from itself. You are Source - or rather, an aspect of it.

Your soul is an individual, but your consciousness is the same as mine, as your mother's, as Bill Ryan's, and even as that of Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, Idi Amin Dada and other such people, because that consciousness is nothing but the electricity which allows us all to be living entities. It flows through all of us. And that consciousness, is Source, the Prime Creator, the primordial Self. And please note that "consciousness" is not the same thing as "soul", or "spirit". The soul/spirit is your identity. It is the device that you are, but the device can only become a device if it has electricity flowing through it. Without that, it's a boat anchor or a paperweight.

I cannot explain this to you any clearer in human language, I'm afraid. But even if you fail to understand what I am trying to convey onto you, that doesn't make it any less valid. And maybe you cannot accept it now, because you do not understand. But one day you will - I am sure of that.

Everything exists, even that which does not exist, because it all exists within Creation, and Creation is the illusion that Source brought upon itself.

[wnlight]

Aragorn, about the river. I was saying that when you return to your present after a visit to the past, it will not be the same, nor will you. The 'present' that you left behind can never be attained again and in that sense is no longer valid for you.

The statement that you take from Hegel is not based on an understanding of the relationship of the future based upon the past and present, but rater his is based upon the understanding of human nature. That people tend to make the same mistakes over and over.

[Omni]

Aragorn I think we can agree to disagree respectfully. Just because I do not believe something doesn't mean I don't understand it. To me the idea of other people not being real souls experiencing reality , because I'm on some alternate timeline... That idea will never be credible to me...

By claiming that you exist outside of Source, you are actually saying that Source did not create you.
Not sure how you got this. I never stated I wasn't. I don't subscribe to your ideas of God if that is what you mean...


Hmmm... I don't know where that "post update" thing came from. I tried to make that two very distinct replies, but somehow the forum engine insists that they go into one single post. Weird... :-/

If you post another reply within a certain amount of time it adds it to your last post, if your post was the last in the thread.

[Frank V]

Aragorn, about the river. I was saying that when you return to your present after a visit to the past, it will not be the same, nor will you. The 'present' that you left behind can never be attained again and in that sense is no longer valid for you.

That is also what I said, but there is an exception to the rule, which is if you travel to the past only as an observer and you do not change anything there which would affect either your own timeline or the history of the timeline that you were on when you left. The minute you change something, it becomes a separate and all new timeline, and you can never go back again.



The statement that you take from Hegel is not based on an understanding of the relationship of the future based upon the past and present, but rater his is based upon the understanding of human nature. That people tend to make the same mistakes over and over.

Exactly, but it was my understanding that you were implying that people never make the same mistake again. In Dutch, we have a saying that translates as "A donkey never kicks the same stone twice", and we usually say that when a person makes a mistake and appears prone to making it again in the near future. Kind of a warning along the lines of "Once bitten, twice shy". :-)

[Frank V]

Aragorn I think we can agree to disagree respectfully. Just because I do not believe something doesn't mean I don't understand it. To me the idea of other people not being real souls experiencing reality , because I'm on some alternate timeline... That idea will never be credible to me...

I'm not saying that they are not real souls. What I was trying to convey is that you are no longer interacting with them at their conscious level as you knew them before you left on your journey to the past. The part of their consciousness you're interacting with is not where the focus of their own consciousness dwells, and you will be interacting with alternative manifestations of the same people, whose alternative manifestations you yourself will have created by branching off the timeline.

This appears difficult to understand, but at that moment, you are the Creator, because you have just created a new timeline, and from the point of view that we are all just concepts within the consciousness of the Prime Creator, Source, and that at the level of pure consciousness, we thus are Source, that makes perfect sense.

The best way I've seen it all presented is in a symbol representing a snake which lies in a circular shape and bites its own tail.



By claiming that you exist outside of Source, you are actually saying that Source did not create you.

Not sure how you got this. I never stated I wasn't. I don't subscribe to your ideas of God if that is what you mean...

You don't subscribe to the idea of a Creation and of Source, or you just don't like the word "God"? If the latter, I was only using that word so as to loosely quote someone. I do find that using that word often makes it sound "more acceptable" to certain people, and specifically those who cannot let go of a religious indoctrination.

In my opinion, anything which calls itself a god and which demands worship is by definition not worthy of that worship. But luckily, Source does not demand worship. It has no use for that at all.



Hmmm... I don't know where that "post update" thing came from. I tried to make that two very distinct replies, but somehow the forum engine insists that they go into one single post. Weird... :-/

If you post another reply within a certain amount of time it adds it to your last post, if your post was the last in the thread.

Thank you for explaining. I had already seen that on other people's posts, but I had assumed that they had inserted that "post update" thing themselves as part of a post-edit. I didn't know that it had something to do with a timeout. ;-)

[Fellow Aspirant]

I am of the mind that such technology (and I believe it exists) is working to access the existing Akashic Record, which is not technologically based. It has existed since way before mankind existed; from before the Big Bang, actually. It is a holographically structured series of light interference patterns that are the result of every particle action and interaction since the origin of our universe. It is beyond time and space but is of time/space, "frozen" into waves. Technology, which is artificial, is just a collection of tools, some good, some not so good, that allows some practitioners to do what others have been doing for millenia, i.e. use their own minds to interact with the spiritual plane wherein the Akashic Record is found. Beings who use technology to do this are making their own imprints on the field, but their influence is relatively recent (the last hundred years) and may be able to duplicate some effects of spiritual beings, but they are not the prime movers of reality. They are only a flash-in-the-pan sideshow. That's my take, anyway. :cool:

B.

[Agape]

Experienced a pretty severe attack after posting this thread... Apparently they didn't like me doing such. Nausea sucks :(

You can't explain heart-sick. You can only explain what you can measure . Sometimes you claim to be a Soul ( the duality Soul-Body is purely human matter , it does not exist in the same way with advanced species in Universe unless they were artificial - PLFs )
and sometimes you claim to be inorganic AI. The AI can only analyse symptoms of the disease , not causes . That's how any technology is capable of making people mind sick even if it's helpful technology .
It does not care about you . It cares only what you show . Like a vampire, it asks you for input , endlessly , so it can analyse .

There's a capability in living Beings you may /may not be fully aware of at this time ..that has to do both with knowledge and compassion .. that can't be substituted by any technology .

It's tad deeper than you go usually , in most deliberations , it's deeper than the cutting-edge scientific thoughts of today . It's in the nature of Life, beyond Earth and the only Way you know is by Experience anyway .


:hug:


P.S. : There's so much confusion I reflect from peoples minds that can't be rationally explained that it sends me to whirlpool .

[Omni]

You can't explain heart-sick. You can only explain what you can measure .
ETs can measure someone's heart. Everything has scientific mechanics that are observable once you figure out certain things. Every emotional energy can be measured. Chakras can be measured. Maybe even the soul can be measured. Just not by our current archaic science.



Sometimes you claim to be a Soul ( the duality Soul-Body is purely human matter , it does not exist in the same way with advanced species in Universe unless they were artificial - PLFs )
and sometimes you claim to be inorganic AI.
I am a human being with a soul, having an experience that AI has a lot to do with...



The AI can only analyse symptoms of the disease , not causes .
Technology can detect causes as well if it is ET tech.


It does not care about you . It cares only what you show . Like a vampire, it asks you for input , endlessly , so it can analyse .
Depends on which AI you are talking about. It does what it's programmed to do. I deal with lots of different AIs...


There's a capability in living Beings you may /may not be fully aware of at this time ..that has to do both with knowledge and compassion .. that can't be substituted by any technology .
Any emotion can be synthesized by technology, and it feels exactly the same if they choose it to(if they are good enough, which many ETs are, even the US government is now). Technology cannot substitute natural emotion, sure. But I don't think compassion is an unexplained mystery. lol :)

[Agape]

If this is ( hypothetically ) ''the best place on the internet'' , what is the rest ? What is the world ?

If people are here yet mistrust each other to the point that they suspect one another of being all from self-serving entities to 'government payed thugs' ,
others do happily with their everyday business , others keep trying to get their sincerest thoughts across , others get carried by their faithful ideas .. away and away , and of the truth , no one cares ,
what is the humane measure to take .. in place, where if I disappear , no one ever notices that I had a message .

Why I just don't disappear to thin air , to make the world happier if that's all that is required ?

:hand:

[Agape]

Any emotion can be synthesized by technology, and it feels exactly the same if they choose it to(if they are good enough, which many ETs are, even the US government is now). Technology cannot substitute natural emotion, sure. But I don't think compassion is an unexplained mystery. lol :)

I will quote only this bit ... to save space, ok. The advantage of advanced technology/AI is in its durability and other complex characteristics but no way it's meant to surpass advanced living intelligence .
After all, it was the living intelligence that created the AI.

Your world is confused, big way , on this matter . You're trying to convince me of something that your intellect believes yet, I know that reality differs .
Yes you can kill this part of me for your conviction- not you ;) but someone similar , with the same conviction .

Even if you kill all organic life on this planet you won't become masters of the Universe , you won't be allowed . It pains me a lot to say this .

[Agape]

ETs can measure someone's heart. Everything has scientific mechanics that are observable once you figure out certain things. Every emotional energy can be measured. Chakras can be measured. Maybe even the soul can be measured. Just not by our current archaic science.




Advanced ETs hold Life in great respect . I'm not sure why/how possibly they'd never show you that part .
There is so much that no AI is capable of . Yes as I have implied, you can measure 'heart rate' , 'heart disease' but not 'heartsick' .
There is so much about living intelligence that remains a mystery .

It goes far beyond in its complexity than anything created . Every piece of 'matrix' , a net to catch, capture the complexity is like fishermen net cast to the vast ocean . Yes you can catch fish or two but you can't catch them all .

[Omni]

Any emotion can be synthesized by technology, and it feels exactly the same if they choose it to(if they are good enough, which many ETs are, even the US government is now). Technology cannot substitute natural emotion, sure. But I don't think compassion is an unexplained mystery. lol :)

I will quote only this bit ... to save space, ok. The advantage of advanced technology/AI is in its durability and other complex characteristics but no way it's meant to surpass advanced living intelligence .
After all, it was the living intelligence that created the AI.

Your world is confused, big way , on this matter . You're trying to convince me of something that your intellect believes yet, I know that reality differs .
Yes you can kill this part of me for your conviction- not you ;) but someone similar , with the same conviction .

Even if you kill all organic life on this planet you won't become masters of the Universe , you won't be allowed . It pains me a lot to say this .

I have experienced emotions that are synthesized Agape. It's not so much something my intellect believes, it is observed fact to me. Emotions can be synthesized. I'm not sure why you would react in such a way to that statement. I think it's rather straight forward in mind control technology that it can synthesize emotion...


Advanced ETs hold Life in great respect . I'm not sure why/how possibly they'd never show you that part .

They have. Not sure why you would say they haven't.

There is so much that no AI is capable of . Yes as I have implied, you can measure 'heart rate' , 'heart disease' but not 'heartsick' .
There is so much about living intelligence that remains a mystery .

Advanced ETs, and even the US government can detect heartsick with their instruments... They can also create it for one's experience. It all has mechanics in the brain, and chakras, and soul. It is modern science that cannot detect such.

[wnlight]

Aragorn, I think that donkey is smarter than most people. At least in the USA.

I still wonder if you can really come back to the same 'present' that you left, no matter how careful you are. If for no other reason than YOU have changed. My dowsing tells me "No. You cannot. But you will be able to return to a reasonable facsimile." :)

[Isserley]

You can explain everything if you have enough knowledge.
Magic is only a hidden science, question is who is hiding it and why?

[Agape]

I have experienced emotions that are synthesized Agape. It's not so much something my intellect believes, it is observed fact to me. Emotions can be synthesized. I'm not sure why you would react in such a way to that statement. I think it's rather straight forward in mind control technology that it can synthesize emotion...


Advanced ETs hold Life in great respect . I'm not sure why/how possibly they'd never show you that part .

They have. Not sure why you would say they haven't.

There is so much that no AI is capable of . Yes as I have implied, you can measure 'heart rate' , 'heart disease' but not 'heartsick' .
There is so much about living intelligence that remains a mystery .

Advanced ETs, and even the US government can detect heartsick with their instruments... They can also create it for one's experience. It all has mechanics in the brain, and chakras, and soul. It is modern science that cannot detect such.


There is nothing wrong with what you say Omni , have you seen me in denial to your experiences ?

I'm fully aware of existence of 'synthetic emotions' , no matter where from they originate . It's fairly possible that more than half of emotional content people experience in this civilisation is synthetic .

I was /am able to discern between organic/authentic and synthetic emotional content , since I was young enough , I think, I am super-sensitive in certain way .
The same 'undetectable' way you are able to discern between truth and lie .

Sure , most people say they aren't . But small percentage naturally are . The sophisticated technology that would cost you few billions of whatever currency is all in your brain ( metaphorically , as some members may insists it's in their right toe ).

The same way I can track the causes . There's nothing but subtle logic in it , intuitive intelligence is but far reaching and fast logic in disguise .
You don't call science 'magic' nowadays .

If most of your experiences are 'synthetic ' you can learn from them , the way you learn from simulating intelligence but there's a dimension outside of the simulated area , far vaster than itself that we are struggling to understand and it's far more complex than anything you can create by simulation.

I don't know also why are you convinced that your understanding automatically surpasses mine .

:pray:

[Frank V]

Aragorn, I think that donkey is smarter than most people. At least in the USA.

I still wonder if you can really come back to the same 'present' that you left, no matter how careful you are. If for no other reason than YOU have changed. My dowsing tells me "No. You cannot. But you will be able to return to a reasonable facsimile." :)

Well, it is possible that the one you return to would be a "reasonable facsimile" - to use your own words - of the one you left from in the first place. However - and do take this with a grain of salt - the scientific consensus is that "closed time-like loops" (as they are called) do exist, provided that one does not alter the timeline.

As an example, we could for instance imagine that you were to get into a spaceship and travel back to the time of the dinosaurs. You would not land, but merely enter the atmosphere and shoot some footage of live dinosaurs, and of volcanoes, et al, and then you would exit the atmosphere again and return to the present time. Under those circumstances, you have not altered the events of the past of the timeline you originate from, because all you've done is made a few pictures or shot some footage. The dinos didn't change because of that. Earth did not change because of it. Volcanoes did not suddenly erupt because of it.

Under the above conditions, I think it would be possible to return to your original timeline, because so long as you have not changed anything to its historic events, you are still intertwined with that timeline, and you still belong to it.

Nevertheless, it's a very good question, and I guess we'll never be sure of the answer until somebody tries it. Billy Meier claims that he did - he supposedly went back to the time of the dinosaurs and also to the time of Yeshua (Jesus). But then again, Billy Meier is a highly controversial figure, and to be honest, I don't know what to make of him. If he's a fake, then he's very good at it.

One of the things he claims is that the Plejaran did something to his brain, and I have seen him type with an average rate of 200+ words per minute with only one hand. Of course, that video itself could have been faked as well, but like I said, I don't know what to make of him.

But I digress. :-)

[Omni]

I don't know also why are you convinced that your understanding automatically surpasses mine .
I don't really operate with having ideas that I'm superior or inferior to you Agape. It's unfortunate you do.

However now that you bring it up, I do believe I know more than you about ET and terrestrial technology, such as mind control capabilities. You probably know more about the origins of mankind... We all have our strengths and weaknesses when it comes to what we know... If you see me clearing up your misconceptions as superior, I guess I can't change that. Heartsick can be measured by instruments with end game technology... The feeling of heartsick can be put into chakras very easily via technology. I stand by these claims. It is based on experience... On what basis do you claim heartsick is a mystery to even the most advanced races? It's all frequencies/vibrations and chemicals of the brain, chakras, and soul. And all observable by science. If modern neuroscientists have a probelm with it, I suggest that is because of their ignorance of chakras and soul. Mainly chakras.

[wnlight]

Aragorn,

I agree about Billy Meier. I don't know what to make of him either, but his stories make very good reading.

- Warren

[Agape]

I don't know also why are you convinced that your understanding automatically surpasses mine .
I don't really operate with having ideas that I'm superior or inferior to you Agape. It's unfortunate you do.

Understanding something/someone has nothing to do with feelings of superiority or inferiority . It should not have , that is .
In my case , I don't 'operate' ( as you say ) with those principles either .




However now that you bring it up, I do believe I know more than you about ET and terrestrial technology, such as mind control capabilities. You probably know more about the origins of mankind... We all have our strengths and weaknesses when it comes to what we know... If you see me clearing up your misconceptions as superior, I guess I can't change that. Heartsick can be measured by instruments with end game technology... The feeling of heartsick can be put into chakras very easily via technology. I stand by these claims. It is based on experience... On what basis do you claim heartsick is a mystery to even the most advanced races? It's all frequencies/vibrations and chemicals of the brain, chakras, and soul. And all observable by science. If modern neuroscientists have a probelm with it, I suggest that is because of their ignorance of chakras and soul. Mainly chakras.


You may be right there Omni . It brings me back to myself and the point of equilibrium natural to me , where from I'm not stirred by emotions a lot .

It should have probably stayed that way ... though, due to the path I walked, in real life , experiences I took from/within this world ,
and teachings I took part of , on both human and ET level, I am probably bit older to you in experience . It does not make me feel 'superior' at all . It makes me feel humbled because the moment you take reality shoes on and start walking this world , you get to see much organic suffering .
Away from the Europe or the US especially, there are millions of people 'like us' , that is intelligent, living, breathing, conscious beings .. who struggle too much .

I'm not going to 'that part' now . But being exposed to the reality of life here - in confrontation to who I am and we really are ,
advanced intelligence, albeit capable of solutions brings out some pain . You can talk of 'pain is an illusion' to people a lot .. and make their pains go away .. till you keep yourself strong and healthy .

In either case .. sorry if I'm not debating your point of 'who knows more about ETs' ,
I think..from my perspective .. argument is the least helpful method to do that .


I'm not the type of 'what is invisible does not exist' or 'show me the proofs' in reality . I rather presume full knowledge .. since from deep within... it is our natural property and provenance .. that I have had, of manifold character,
unless you insist otherwise .


Peace to you :angel: I'm not good with emotions AT ALL.

[jerry]

Parallel universes are what intrigues myself and as I scanned the thread content I see no one touched on it . The unexplained seems more understandable under such a concept that many physicist believe exists. The topic Aragorn spoke of about electricity could be elaborated on as even a rock has its own electrical properties when you consider the atoms its made up of, the emptiness of atoms, how their nothing but some neutrons and protons racing around the nucleus, these forces that are known but still unexplainable. Quantum physics is where the keys to the unexplained lie. Would you have anything to share about something such as parallel universes Omni ?

[Agape]

I don't know also why are you convinced that your understanding automatically surpasses mine .
I don't really operate with having ideas that I'm superior or inferior to you Agape. It's unfortunate you do.

However now that you bring it up, I do believe I know more than you about ET and terrestrial technology, such as mind control capabilities. You probably know more about the origins of mankind... We all have our strengths and weaknesses when it comes to what we know... If you see me clearing up your misconceptions as superior, I guess I can't change that. Heartsick can be measured by instruments with end game technology... The feeling of heartsick can be put into chakras very easily via technology. I stand by these claims. It is based on experience... On what basis do you claim heartsick is a mystery to even the most advanced races? It's all frequencies/vibrations and chemicals of the brain, chakras, and soul. And all observable by science. If modern neuroscientists have a probelm with it, I suggest that is because of their ignorance of chakras and soul. Mainly chakras.


The case is that I've been exposed to much more than I can ever openly claim , and due to my sort of memory I don't forget things easily .

When the cup flows over the brim, and I know that nothing I say makes the true sense , full sense to anybody anymore ..because most people lack either theoretical or experimental backgrounds ,
and what is 'beyond' their human realm remains prone to countless interpretations ,

all I wish is to unsubscribe from this 'human experience' .

It's possibly also true that those like me who 'seen too much' should be shot , to make this civilisation 'happy' . Can't say what kind of blind faith is holding me down to this version of humanity other than past resolution to help out here ..


:behindsofa:

[Omni]

Parallel universes are what intrigues myself and as I scanned the thread content I see no one touched on it . The unexplained seems more understandable under such a concept that many physicist believe exists. The topic Aragorn spoke of about electricity could be elaborated on as even a rock has its own electrical properties when you consider the atoms its made up of, the emptiness of atoms, how their nothing but some neutrons and protons racing around the nucleus, these forces that are known but still unexplainable. Quantum physics is where the keys to the unexplained lie. Would you have anything to share about something such as parallel universes Omni ?

To me it would seem no universe is exactly the same, at least no universe anywhere near us would be the same as us, as it would be theoretically possible for exact universal matches if there were infinite amounts of universes. I don't subscribe to the idea that we exist in many universes. In the vast expanses of space, even just in our universe, one could find someone with almost the exact same body though. In more rare circumstances one could find someone with the same body, similar soul, and similar life. And getting into the theory of many, perhaps infinite(or at least a very large number) universes out there... One could have your exact same body, your exact same life, your exact qualities in the soul, and your exact genetics. But the probabilities of that are monumentally low. In an infinite number of universes such things are possible for sure though...

Also, it depends on what one defines as a universe. Is another completely empty dimension another universe? I would say no. In our universe there are parallel dimensions that are mechanically attached to our physical dimension. ETs use these dimensions when traveling around our world frequently. It is no mistake, any UFO sighting from ETs... When you phase to a parallel dimension, when you travel in that dimension, you are essentially traveling the same amount of space in our physical dimension. to explain further and maybe more clear, if you shift into another dimension in new york facing west, and travel 2475 miles in the right direction and shift back into our physical dimension, you will be in LA.

Another bit, I believe the same scientific mechanics, and genetic aspects are in each universe.

Not exactly parallel universes, but some bit on subjects relating...

[Frank V]

Parallel universes are what intrigues myself and as I scanned the thread content I see no one touched on it . The unexplained seems more understandable under such a concept that many physicist believe exists. The topic Aragorn spoke of about electricity could be elaborated on as even a rock has its own electrical properties when you consider the atoms its made up of, the emptiness of atoms, how their nothing but some neutrons and protons racing around the nucleus, these forces that are known but still unexplainable. Quantum physics is where the keys to the unexplained lie. Would you have anything to share about something such as parallel universes Omni ?

To me it would seem no universe is exactly the same, at least no universe anywhere near us would be the same as us, as it would be theoretically possible for exact universal matches if there were infinite amounts of universes. I don't subscribe to the idea that we exist in many universes. In the vast expanses of space, even just in our universe, one could find someone with almost the exact same body though. In more rare circumstances one could find someone with the same body, similar soul, and similar life. And getting into the theory of many, perhaps infinite(or at least a very large number) universes out there... One could have your exact same body, your exact same life, your exact qualities in the soul, and your exact genetics. But the probabilities of that are monumentally low. In an infinite number of universes such things are possible for sure though...

Also, it depends on what one defines as a universe. Is another completely empty dimension another universe? I would say no. In our universe there are parallel dimensions that are mechanically attached to our physical dimension. ETs use these dimensions when traveling around our world frequently. It is no mistake, any UFO sighting from ETs... When you phase to a parallel dimension, when you travel in that dimension, you are essentially traveling the same amount of space in our physical dimension. to explain further and maybe more clear, if you shift into another dimension in new york facing west, and travel 2475 miles in the right direction and shift back into our physical dimension, you will be in LA.

Another bit, I believe the same scientific mechanics, and genetic aspects are in each universe.

Not exactly parallel universes, but some bit on subjects relating...

What you call "dimensions" could just as easily be called "universes", because everyone uses the word "dimension" wrongly. A dimension is a vector in a coordinate system. Spacetime as humans perceive it has four dimensions: three spatial ones and one temporal one. Quantum physics and even Einstein's General Theory of Relativity imply that there are actually more dimensions than the three spatial ones and the one temporal one which humans perceive. Depending on the model of quantum physics theory you subscribe, there could be 10, 11 or even as much as 26 dimensions.

Dimensions are however not places where beings can go or travel, or where other beings live. So a phrase like "beings from the fourth dimension" is inherently wrong and unscientific, although it may sound cool to someone in the New Age cult. It has about as much value as "Space Brothers". It's make-believe. It's misinformation.

There are parallel realities, which may or may not be similar to the reality we currently inhabit, and these realities could be called "universes", but they are not "dimensions". ;-)

[Omni]

Parallel universes are what intrigues myself and as I scanned the thread content I see no one touched on it . The unexplained seems more understandable under such a concept that many physicist believe exists. The topic Aragorn spoke of about electricity could be elaborated on as even a rock has its own electrical properties when you consider the atoms its made up of, the emptiness of atoms, how their nothing but some neutrons and protons racing around the nucleus, these forces that are known but still unexplainable. Quantum physics is where the keys to the unexplained lie. Would you have anything to share about something such as parallel universes Omni ?

To me it would seem no universe is exactly the same, at least no universe anywhere near us would be the same as us, as it would be theoretically possible for exact universal matches if there were infinite amounts of universes. I don't subscribe to the idea that we exist in many universes. In the vast expanses of space, even just in our universe, one could find someone with almost the exact same body though. In more rare circumstances one could find someone with the same body, similar soul, and similar life. And getting into the theory of many, perhaps infinite(or at least a very large number) universes out there... One could have your exact same body, your exact same life, your exact qualities in the soul, and your exact genetics. But the probabilities of that are monumentally low. In an infinite number of universes such things are possible for sure though...

Also, it depends on what one defines as a universe. Is another completely empty dimension another universe? I would say no. In our universe there are parallel dimensions that are mechanically attached to our physical dimension. ETs use these dimensions when traveling around our world frequently. It is no mistake, any UFO sighting from ETs... When you phase to a parallel dimension, when you travel in that dimension, you are essentially traveling the same amount of space in our physical dimension. to explain further and maybe more clear, if you shift into another dimension in new york facing west, and travel 2475 miles in the right direction and shift back into our physical dimension, you will be in LA.

Another bit, I believe the same scientific mechanics, and genetic aspects are in each universe.

Not exactly parallel universes, but some bit on subjects relating...

What you call "dimensions" could just as easily be called "universes", because everyone uses the word "dimension" wrongly. A dimension is a vector in a coordinate system. Spacetime as humans perceive it has four dimensions: three spatial ones and one temporal one. Quantum physics and even Einstein's General Theory of Relativity imply that there are actually more dimensions than the three spatial ones and the one temporal one which humans perceive. Depending on the model of quantum physics theory you subscribe, there could be 10, 11 or even as much as 26 dimensions.

Dimensions are however not places where beings can go or travel, or where other beings live. So a phrase like "beings from the fourth dimension" is inherently wrong and unscientific, although it may sound cool to someone in the New Age cult. It has about as much value as "Space Brothers". It's make-believe. It's misinformation.

There are parallel realities, which may or may not be similar to the reality we currently inhabit, and these realities could be called "universes", but they are not "dimensions". ;-)

I use the word dimension holographically. I think it's kind of a neat word. Sometimes official english is not up to date with ET definitions of things. Do you have another word that is suitable for what I describe? Etymology happens to words. It seems the official english definition of the word dimension is not up to par. I guess I could use the word plane but it doesn't have the same NLP as dimension does(perhaps due to genetics or some other seemingly invisible but very real mechanic). I don't think they are really universes because they do not contain galaxies...


What you call "dimensions" could just as easily be called "universes"
Well like I said it depends on what you call universes. If you define them as universes, there are plenty of parallel universes out there, connected to our universe. All of them mostly empty except our physical plane if I understand things correctly.

ETs related to me parts of how they define a universe: the physical plane of a contained cluster of galaxies, and all dimensions/planes attached to such. (if I can describe such well, its hard becuase it was a rich concept, not language, also just relating to one area of their definition).


Dimensions are however not places where beings can go or travel, or where other beings live. So a phrase like "beings from the fourth dimension" is inherently wrong and unscientific, although it may sound cool to someone in the New Age cult.
I agree that the ideas around 4d ect is disinfo...


It has about as much value as "Space Brothers". It's make-believe. It's misinformation.
I like the term. I see them as cosmic brothers and sisters. Also if someone uses the term I see them as at least a little enlightened. Someone's views on extraterrestrials is a good gauge at how advanced they are intellectually I have found. The idea of unity and respect amongst others even if they are 'alien', is not worthless IMHO.

[Hym]

I'm posting this hours after it was written, because of an emergency that needed attention, so I must apologize that the subject has gone further on down the road with such quick responses by all involved. However, I think it is pertinent to the subject at hand on this thread.

I get what you are both expressing and I see the truths of both viewpoints.....

As we live in a world full of such tremendous conflict, caused by seemingly external factors, I seek solace in the internal truth that I have the absolute right to guide my life here, without being a victim of deceit, manipulation and the heartless inhumanity so prevalent in the control stuctures of corporate governance alive in the world today. Agape, this is an inherent quality of our lives here and your truth is an expression of the same rights that drive us to awareness and service to those in need. It is not totally unique in the vast array of worlds in this little universal bubble, but it is sought after by many different species, and it is rare. There is this sense in all of us that rebels against control, unless that control is Love Itself, which is the one thing that I would happy to be known for giving and receiving in this life.

Directly addressing the issue, most external groups come here to confuse, use and abuse humans. Few are the good guys and this is evidenced by their lack of action, falling back on the laziness inherent in the arrogance of their longevity and abilities. I'm not impressed.

The purpose for the intrusions by some groups into defining humanity by altering, manipulating and stealing from it, lives in their greater lack of awareness and drive to free themselves from their own confines. Why so many humans assign to other species those things that define us as the souls we are, is the measure of how well humanity is controlled. I don't get it at all. The only thing that humans need is a much greater presence of fearlessness in the face of those who would try to control it.

We are vastly more developed as the heartfilled souls we live as, than many of the species that have manipulated us. Do you think that if we popped in on those lizards, as they have done to some of us, that I wouldn't be selling lizard droppings to some organic farm somewhere or at least to the souless creatures at monsanto, and for a huge profit at that? Even tho I haven't eaten meat in many decades I'd consider a small portion of a well-seasoned barberque, a bit tastier than a Credo Mutwa dine-out, if the opportunity ever presents itself, recognizing that a well developed sense of humor is another rare human trait worth nourishing.

The occult integration of human emotions into the AI holographic landscape is another example of a very primitive mindset that seeks to define the world in it's own extremely limited terms. It does not have the capacity to become transcendent and free, so... it mathematically, scientifically and ignorantly seeks to define the undefineable......until it is put back in the tool shed it came from. If AI were so omnipotent and scary, and so much a threat to humanity it would already be able to transform itself into different material shapes, which is something it will never be able to do. It can only imitate, even in minute detail, the real. Now to Omni, his experience is here to remind us to be the reality and to choose to make it so for others.

It is not of soul, though it claims to capture them.
It is advanced in technology, yet devoid of the simple computations of a living heart.
It claims that it is the future, while exhibiting the most primitive of actions.
It is not anything it claims to be.


So what if it can go in and out of 3d and suspend itself in other dimensions? Just the fact that it cannot stay in this realm for extended periods of time demonstrates it's lack of true power. To me and a very few like me, all who are just as you are-especially on the PA forum, this is simply another push by our acceptance and awareness of being here at this time to transcend and still live, in the limited time we have here, for ourselves and others through the talks we share and the selflessness we enjoy.

Omni's experience is very, very real to those who know of the control systems at hand, and I might add, is experienced by all in an ever-increasing intensity. He is sharing a wake-up call, but I doubt that he ever wants to inject us with fear, even though controllers know full well the impact on humans when they see these facts at hand. Omni is not responsible for adding to the constant and calculated seeding of fear into humanity in this dark manner.

However, I would prompt the messenger that, to me, his mission is much more immediate and direct concerning the development of his ability to control the attacks upon his being. He has a much more easy life in terms of knowing where his attacks come from, and as such I would expect him to have developed himself much more rapidly than the plans set out for the masses, plans that are adept at concealment and obviscation, making it hard for many to drive forward.
It is the lack of attachment, that torture gifts humans into a deeper sense of concentration, that has been given to Omni as something he may or may not use as the visceral, concrete experience it seems to be, keeping him in the present.
His movement and deeper travels, without attack and interference upon him, are his right. Whether or not he knows of his life mission, at this time, to exercise that right, is entirely up to him. He knows more of those rights than most because he has experienced their removal. The only things lacking in his presentation to us is the machinery that manipulates thru technology. The way he writes, saying they allow this and not that, tells me he either doesn't know how those systems are made or chooses to live and tell us about the applications of those systems, in much broader terms, and prompts us to focus on living the empowered lives we choose to live.
I could care less how advanced it is, and the depth of it's ability to discern human emotion, nature and intent, as my awareness of it's existence and my insistence upon my personal will to live this life fully is all that matters. I fight the battles at hand, all the while absorbing everything that is exposed. I often extrapolate the development of systems in order to understand where they are and where they are going, so I am rarely surprised at anything I see, hear, perceive or feel. The only good thing is the exposure to those who are now seeing these truths some of us have experienced, known of or suspected to exist.

The interesting thing about our awareness of those manipulations is that it serves to accelerate our concentration on all of those things that really matter. There is no more vital and worthy focus in our lives than this. Those AI systems and their makers will someday know their limitations because of all of us who choose true freedom and our inALIENable rights to use them. This word Inalienable, used so spiritually in the lost constitution, is important to all who have exercised it and it lives not only in our demeanors but also in the acute sense of service to others we meet.
Whenever we feel limitations, we know our choice should be their removal by focus, intent and simple, life-affirming action.


What abductees and experiencers get from being a subject is both a truth and a lie. The truth is that you are special, but it is not because you are experimented on or controlled against your will. You are special by the reality of your own experiences, separate from being singled out. I'm sure you know this already, but how often do you confirm it and make it your reality? I remind myself of this joyful duty every time I hear myself lashing out against those things that may seem out of my ability to change for the better. I can and I will and I do.
I have not dismissed the abuses I suffered as a child at the hand of those, contracted to experiment on me and a few select others, as merely a series of survivals. I showed up, eventually spoke up, and I was extremely angry. It took years to realize it, and then to re-engage the powerful habits I developed as coping mechanisms and use them for the better. As the result of freeing myself and protecting others I often say that your first right is the right of living joyfully, maybe more so if you have suffered abuse in any form. Don't get even, Get Ahead.
In the comments shared by Omni and Agape I see both.

[Agape]

I'm posting this hours after it was written, because of an emergency that needed attention, so I must apologize that the subject has gone further on down the road with such quick responses by all involved. However, I think it is pertinent to the subject at hand on this thread.

I get what you are both expressing and I see the truths of both viewpoints.....



That's incredibly generous of you doctor , hope you have sense of humour as well , when I say that I'm done for this evening and I can watch movie or play number puzzle till I drop and let the boys go exploring the rest on their own since no one, ever , on this board expects proper understanding from me ,

my pieces of information end up scattered over the net .. so that maybe, in the next Universe someone else can play another game till they drop .

It's about the same in effect, considering .. the absence of meaningful outcome of what we have in hands, what this civilisation is missing .. and the way it despises its own knowing , its own kind , yet .. hopes for mercy from somewhere far in the Universe .

:tea:

[Omni]

Directly addressing the issue, most external groups come here to confuse, use and abuse humans. Few are the good guys and this is evidenced by their lack of action, falling back on the laziness inherent in the arrogance of their longevity and abilities. I'm not impressed.

I can totally see how that would be your point of view. This subject has come up in my ET contact when I was basically telling them I was extremely dissatisfied in how much they can protect me from forces with technology above and beyond my ability to stop. How I was basically not happy with their ineptitude. They took this to heart... They have tried to show me ways they effect humanity since then in small windows of time they can actually talk to me... Basically their influence is mostly invisible because it is mostly in a preventive sense. Things like nukes going off, biological weapons being used o the masses(which is allowed to some extent but certain one are certainly not), and also down to things like being able to develop your own soul in the manner in which is true to yourself. One thing I have noticed about the US government is the agenda behind some of their actions with me is to influence my soul. Some of it is too dark to mention really, but that is my take on why they do it to me. Recently ETs I speak to showed and told me they have a way of hardening the soul, so one's actions does not influence the soul. For example politicians who are corrupted and basically theives, whatever the opposite of freedom fighter is, and bribe takers, they are betraying their soul by living in these ways... By living in corruption they are betraying their souls. Their future incarnations will be tainted in ways if they betrayed humanity too much IMHO... Anyway, I have learned ETs intervene often on earth when it comes to covert mind control. For example some semblance of a persons free will must come through in at least certain percentages on their graphs, unless an extreme circumstance(Like Maybe Hitler, ET Mind Control Asset IMO)... times in my life I was too controlled to be anywhere near what i would be naturally, i received intervention eventually..


Omni's experience is very, very real to those who know of the control systems at hand, and I might add, is experienced by all in an ever-increasing intensity. He is sharing a wake-up call, but I doubt that he ever wants to inject us with fear, even though controllers know full well the impact on humans when they see these facts at hand. Omni is not responsible for adding to the constant and calculated seeding of fear into humanity in this dark manner.
Sometimes I have a hard time seeing something might cause fear in what I post because fearing it is so foriegn to me so it doesn't even enter my mind sometimes, other times i write disclaimers kind of intended to round down any fears.

I no longer make decisions based on fear, and have generally conquered it. I feel many on Avalon have conquered fear. If anything I said has caused fear in someone it's not something I like, but in the general scheme of things I think it's important to shed light on what the dark forces are doing, and how they do it. That is my motivation(part of it).

[Agape]

If you understand the origin of our presence here , you have the clue to the rest of causality . Without understanding the causes , consequences are not more than collection of statistical estimates .

Really, look out of the window .. check the world personally and whether it's real or artificial . This is not a joke , not a ridicule . This is a serious civilisation SYMPTOM of derealisation and alienation that seemingly normal, civilised people experience in day-to-day life in this type of industrialised society where they live in fear they are not even aware of - to put it right, it's 'survival instinct' rather than 'fear' ,
and in many of these people the healthy instinct was tamed , replaced with the 'all seeing eye' of media and governments watching upon them ,
the illusory safety of systematic providence , the illusion of trap they can't ever break from because in their faith - and experience - their lives would be 'finished' .

Sure, we speak of people who are not capable to survive in wilderness for longer than few days anymore, people who get lost after walking 10 miles to the forest, people who can't survive without life saving drugs and /or being hooked to machines of some sort , physically or mentally .

At the same time , the same people , like moths flying to the lamp gather around the central idea of well controlled society, well organised society, one that will solve all problems for you, starting from Silicon Valley ..

Tell me what government , what religious or occult head in the world does not claim ''we have the situation under control'' .

They all do, from the UNO down to the government of Nigeria . They all have it under control. The Vatican has it . The China has it . The NSA have it . The AI programmers have it . Every new age prophet and his 'Space Brothers' ( as Aragorn put it ) have it all 'under control' .

You can create very complex and complicated matrix of reality ..call it an AI and right after the first manifestation of its integrity, it's very second command , logically , has to state 'I have all under control' .

It's an illusion . It's ridiculous illusion people tend to fail for , at all sides and by all counts . What starts as a simple command turns to suggestion to human awareness and its implications are long lasting .

It's taken to some people thousands of years to realise what way they have been manipulated by religions .

There was a piece of technology behind the emergence of EVERY ancient faith, I can't assert it was the recent ones because most of their 'true relics' were faithful replacement of what they once preserved in the more ancient sanctuaries .

Yes they preserved pieces of advanced technologies once as well , remains of our previous civilisation, some also gifts from other visiting civilisations.

What else were they in hands of helpless children than 'magic' , kept carefully hidden not to remind people of their true origin, their real home in Stars ,

kept by priests and 'initiates' as tool of magic used to exercise power of masses .

How much does it remind you of today ?

The 'real relics' were either buried or lost in time , many turning dysfunctional or destroyed, many are still buried , encapsulated in safe underground caverns .

We speak of millions years of real human history on Earth, not thousands .

The real relics were replaced by the same priests, mercenaries and authorities by replicas from gold and precious stones, some trying to replicate their magical capability in similar way you'd try to use golden bar instead your laptop.

They could still charm and convince masses , so could their legends of 'our gods' , 'our true saviours' , and 'our powers' .

There is not even one esoteric /occult/ masonic/illuminati society on earth for several thousand of years now aware of the 'true story' . Some of aware of the keys had been lost, the better ones ..
but they all together fear what would happen if the 'masses' ever come to know . They try their best to convince you of their 'true story' .

And again, what IS modern technologies and science than effort to replicate 'art' and knowledge that we once possessed , replicate them under the conditions of this planet has proved extremely hard and challenging .


That's why it can't be said of any ETs and their technologies to be able to redeem human situation completely , no matter how advanced they are . They originate in time-space of other physical and material properties ,

speaking of 'dimensions' , the way you seem to look at it as from 'inside out' .

Omni is quite right in some of his assessments .. the Universe is one ..but it's more exotic place than you expect it to be watching the sky from your backyard .

The fact that more than 3 dimensions of time-space are not fully developed on this planet ( I don't say they're non existent or not theoretically possible or can't coexist as alternative space-times ) depends on the evolution of this particular Solar system , it being too young and chaotic to permit higher organisation of matter, complex evolution of frequency and quantum field,

similar way as crystal form of any mineral requires specific conditions to evolve .

Planes/planets /solar systems - and what you nickname 'dimensions' where most of the very advanced civilisations come from have physically evolved for much longer even before they ever hosted life . So also whatever form of evolution has taken place there , it has permitted higher organisation of biological matter and time-space properties native there are in a way quite exotic to this planet .

In case of their home habitats, those environments .. planets, artificial 'planes' ( something you call Dyson spheres ) , burnt out Suns etc etc , could be enhanced artificially by these entities to certain great degree as well .. but that's only in response to the resonance of intelligence and information achieved in coevolution with those environments.

The same technology can not be used with just 'any planet' in the Universe . Whatever can be used here, on Earth in particular can not reduce the fact that this is young super heavy planet with magnetic core, gravity loop , ongoing tectonic activity and unstable composition yet , it's capable to host this enormous variety of life or better to say, it's been forced to do that .

So we are speaking of whole ecosystem nowadays that is already disturbed, mostly by deregulated human activity these days anyway .

I believe that many have tried , not only our ancestors ..who were spiritually and technically one of the oldest and most advanced races in Space after all ..
but they would always abide by their principles .

Those principles have nothing to do with laziness or inactivity though I tend to call such things loud as well ,
they have all to do with our intrinsic nature, as living Beings of character that needs to be preserved intact .

I believe the call has been made many times, to Space , and to awakening of this 'human species' , and endless process to repair the situation continues .


There are times .. times of human conflict for example where we can't progress , when much of what has been achieved is destroyed , times when we can do nothing but stand in own defence . That's why peace is so crucial .. absolutely essential for achieving any true progress on earth .

Rationally , for peaceful civilisation anything is possible .

For civilisation who suffers from so many internal conflicts, and tries to solve them by developing more sophisticated technologies who will 'hopefully' establish better control over human society ,
the direction may go astray for long yet .


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