Grasshoppers

[Earthlink]

Grasshoppers: where are they?

[pyrangello]

There all here in Michigan , they started about 2 weeks ago, big, small, stick bugs, you name it loaded big time everywhere.

[shadowstalker]

Springtown texas is chuck full of them, it's like watching a plague when mowing

[Joanne Shepard]

You mean Leaf hoppers? :p

[PurpleLama]

They are in my garden in south Mississippi. You can have some of mine.

[Robin]

Are you talking about the insect....

or

the metaphorical grasshopper "student".

If you're talking about there being a lack of open-minded students who seek out spiritual oneness by listening to their neighbors who act as mentors, while they devote their time in understanding the Truth through humility and perseverance, then yes, I would agree that there are a lack of "grasshoppers" in this world.


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[Earthlink]

The insect.

And, as I'm an apostle to the sciences, I can not just accept what you say if you offer no evidence.

It would be easy for you, then, to get a local newspaper or other piece of existing literature that has todays date on it, put a grasshopper on it, near where the date is, and take a picture. How about instead of telling me that you have them, you just go take a current picture of one?

[Earth Angel]

Earthlink.....I'm in small town Ontario too and they are all over the place!

[Earthlink]

Normally, yes, they are. I shouldn't have to go looking for them outside, normally, they would end up on my newspaper if I was reading it outside.

Normally.

[PurpleLama]

I squashed several this morning, but I neglected to take photographs.

Would you like to divulge the purpose of this thread? Perhaps then I might see fit to go to the trouble of taking a picture of a grasshopper or two.

[Earthlink]

I squashed several this morning, but I neglected to take photographs.

Would you like to divulge the purpose of this thread? Perhaps then I might see fit to go to the trouble of taking a picture of a grasshopper or two.

Well, PurpleLama, I don't have any here. Nor do any of several other colleagues of mine have any where they are either. Normally, according to the scientific method, that would warrant some investigation. Normally. However, Normally has left the building and has been replaced by ... replaced by ... I don't even know any more what Normally has been replaced by, since opinions and assertions can not be photographed, so, I guess I'll just leave it at that.

Casting a wider net is, though, a good idea. Where else are these not normal conditions present?

Is it just something in my town, or several towns, or is it everywhere?

These questions are valid.

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And since I know where they are not, I thought I'd ask as to where they are.

[PurpleLama]

Perhaps your paucity of grasshoppers involves the especially cold winter you've just had.

[Earthlink]

Perhaps your paucity of grasshoppers involves the especially cold winter you've just had.

That's a thought. I discarded it though, because also a thought is that Grasshoppers are millions of years old now, and, Canada has had winters every year now for at least the last 60 million years, regular just like annual clockwork, so, I don't know that anything different and unusual has occurred.

Are you suggesting that we just had a once in at least 60 million year event?

[Atlas]

Got one ! Filmed at Webster's Falls - Dundas, Ontario
August 18, 2014

DFhk7OA1c2Q

[DeDukshyn]

Perhaps your paucity of grasshoppers involves the especially cold winter you've just had.

That's a thought. I discarded it though, because also a thought is that Grasshoppers are millions of years old now, and, Canada has had winters every year now for at least the last 60 million years, regular just like annual clockwork, so, I don't know that anything different and unusual has occurred.

Are you suggesting that we just had a once in at least 60 million year event?

Do you have photographic evidence your small town has had the same level of grasshoppers for 60 million years? :P



On a more serious note, I don't see near as many grasshoppers as I did when I was a kid. But then again, I'm not out playing in the grass or on the ground as much anymore either ... But there's still some grasshoppers around.

Edit: Buares just solved the mystery! Giant orb weavers! :P

[Earthlink]

Perhaps your paucity of grasshoppers involves the especially cold winter you've just had.

That's a thought. I discarded it though, because also a thought is that Grasshoppers are millions of years old now, and, Canada has had winters every year now for at least the last 60 million years, regular just like annual clockwork, so, I don't know that anything different and unusual has occurred.

Are you suggesting that we just had a once in at least 60 million year event?

Do you have photographic evidence your small town has had the same level of grasshoppers for 60 million years? :P



On a more serious note, I don't see near as many grasshoppers as I did when I was a kid. But then again, I'm not out playing in the grass or on the ground as much anymore either ... But there's still some grasshoppers around.

Edit: Buares just solved the mystery! Giant orb weavers! :P

The fact that Grasshoppers used to be here was proof that they, or their immediate ancestors, were here, all this time.

And, one Grasshopper looking insect somewhere does not explain their absence in many other places. Also, there isn't a newspaper with the year 2014 in that video. I have no idea where and when that video was taken, other than the spoken word of one, but again, it does nothing to explain their absence in so many other locations.

[PurpleLama]

Conversely, we have no proof that there are no grasshoppers where you live. Are you all set to start taking pictures of no grasshoppers with newspapers in order to prove there are none?

[RunningDeer]

One entered my space yesterday while out for a walk. The automatic body response was an unexpected graceful step aside, while she continued to fly past in her purple and yellow finest.

I thanked the little critter for confirmation of what I’m experiencing in real time these days.

"Grasshopper, Locust Power Animal, Symbol of Leaping Forward" 

by: Ina Woolcott

"

Grasshoppers/Locusts medicine includes jumping across space and time, astral travel, new leaps forward/leaps of faith/jumping without knowing where you will land, leaping over obstacles, ability to change careers quickly. "

[continued here (http://www.shamanicjourney.com/article/6140/grasshopper-locust-power-animal-symbol-of-leaping-forward)]

RunningDeer <3


Wednesday, August 20, 2014
http://i1262.photobucket.com/albums/ii610/WhiteCrowBlackDeer/grasshoppers_zps5d2cbf19.jpg

[Earth Angel]

you guys are funny.....I have seen them here but then I think mostly what I am seeing is crickets......so perhaps you are right there is a lack of grasshoppers this year....I don't normally have them hopping on me ......I wonder are they cyclical....i recall moving to this small ontario town 17 years ago and walking through the parks with my kids and grass hoppers were EVERYWHERE.....but haven't seen that kind of population since then.

[DeDukshyn]

you guys are funny.....I have seen them here but then I think mostly what I am seeing is crickets......so perhaps you are right there is a lack of grasshoppers this year....I don't normally have them hopping on me ......I wonder are they cyclical....i recall moving to this small ontario town 17 years ago and walking through the parks with my kids and grass hoppers were EVERYWHERE.....but haven't seen that kind of population since then.

They do seem to be cyclical in populations. I was noticing about 5 years ago that they all seemed to have "disappeared" (I live in the prairies so there should be lots), but then the next year there was lots around.

I do imagine though that all the new formulas of insecticides recently engineered are doing a good job of taking them out, if the bees are getting taken out then no doubt grasshoppers -- one of the intended targets, are also being affected.

[Earth Angel]

my daughter lives in Dundas, Ontario so perhaps I can get her to do some detective work to find out if that grasshopper snuff film was actually made this year???

[RunningDeer]

off topic
:focus:

[Earthlink]

This is an exercise in futility. There are so many people here, who, it does not matter what you say or show, they are like automatons, who just blurt out "NO" and "I DON'T THINK SO" regardless as to what is said or shown.

And under those undereducated and juvenile terms, it remains futile.

A lost cause, under your own direction.

Congratulations nay sayers: Gaea has been mortally wounded and is bleeding out: all under your expert and all knowing mindset.

Go you!

[Earthlink]

In the city of Ottawa, Canada, right now, there are few to no Butterflies (used to be 2 dozen different types, with numerous populations of each type, now all gone), few to no Pigeons, Deer Flies, Horse Flies, most of the insects and birds are GONE, and the annual fish die offs this year went all the way until the end of the month of May.

Is there any way in here that I can prevent the undereducated automaton nay sayers from commenting on my posts? They help NOTHING and NO ONE.

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... and NO Grasshoppers.

[Earthlink]

And according to these undereducated ones, the only thing that any of us will be able to respond to, is waking up one day with ZERO insects of any kind ANYWHERE, and ZERO birds of any kind ANYWHERE, and no other species of any kind ANYWHERE.

THEN, maybe, the nay sayers will have to form some other type of reaction, which, they will, however, it will be too late.

Because of the nay sayers, it is more than likely already too late, but they are ceaseless. They be like: there is a Grasshopper somewhere, so, we don't have to worry about anything. There's a Pigeon in Australia somewhere, so, this environmentalist is just a whack job, trying to enslave us all with some kind of voo-doo or something?!?!?!

Mind numbingly stupid, that is what I see here: nothing more. Brainwashed automatons: nothing more.

[Earthlink]

Before anyone else makes any comments here, I need to know that you are even qualified to make a comment here regarding a topic that requires some basic knowledge in the first place, just so that we all know that the competency of the speaker is valid.

Answer these 5 questions before making any further comments on my post please:

1) what is the atmosphere of this planet comprised of?
2) how do you measure exhaust fumes from and internal combustion engine?
3) describe in detail the process which causes rain here on planet Earth
4) what is O2?
5) what is Enthalpy?

[Earthlink]

And how do I maintain any modicum of honesty here, when, several people answered my query within a few minutes of my query, yet I know for a fact that they did not in even go outside and look?

???

How am I supposed to proceed against a belief system that will lie to protect itself?

[Earthlink]

For example, I've known for decades, and humanity has known for longer, that the biosphere is being altered, (I was 6 years old when this video, for example, was made) and this has gone on so long now that, yes, the predictable outcome is predictable, and, this knowledge has been around forever, which only was relevant for the entire duration of our use of fossil fuels, and the 2 coincided.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LXiSPpfM54

So then, where is the remedy? Where is the block button in here, so that I can even have a sane, rational conversation in the first place? There has to be a way to weed out irrelevant and useless contributions, especially if they will knowingly lie to protect a belief system, otherwise, we may as well debate the existence of the number 3 or something.

That 3 comes after 2 and is the third number and is followed by 4 can not be open for debate!

WTF?

[Earthlink]

Earthlink.....I'm in small town Ontario too and they are all over the place!

ok, can you get a picture with a newspaper showing the date?

[Fairy Friend]

In the city of Ottawa, Canada, right now, there are few to no Butterflies (used to be 2 dozen different types, with numerous populations of each type, now all gone), few to no Pigeons, Deer Flies, Horse Flies, most of the insects and birds are GONE, and the annual fish die offs this year went all the way until the end of the month of May.

Is there any way in here that I can prevent the undereducated automaton nay sayers from commenting on my posts? They help NOTHING and NO ONE.

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... and NO Grasshoppers.

I have noted that we have far fewer monarchs which is one of the more studied butterflies in southern Wisconsin. Not only that they seem to be quite smaller than usual. I have seen two unusual species but before the drought of a couple of years ago there was much more of an abundance of different species as well. Currently, I have two dozen monarch butterflies to be delivered in 3 weeks. I'm hoping to get three dozen. The zebra butterflies were a failure. (batches of Florida butterflies were lost as well when they sprayed for West Nile virus killing everything including the hatcheries. Apparently he had no forewarning).We have been releasing butterflies since 2006 except the last couple years we had a drought and felt the butterflies would not survive. Just this year two young high school girls started a butterfly hatching project to help reseed the monarch populations. (nearby town). We have milkweed pods and other plants they like here. This puts us at almost 250 butterflies now we have released. They are memorials.

I have seen only 2 grasshoppers. Less ticks this year but that's ok.

[araucaria]

Earthlink, there are two things that puzzle me coming from a scientist: 1) a grasshopper on a newspaper can easily be the work of a photoshopper. I happen to know Runningdeer is very good at that sort of thing. :) This is or was a common ploy for hostage takers to tell you their hostage is still alive, but such people are not always reliable. 2) What makes you think that if something was here x years ago and again last year, it has to have been present all the time in between? My wife is in the house now and was in the house the day before yesterday, but yesterday she was out. You would need a newspaper snap or equivalent for quite a few years in between. Sorry to sound flippant (there may well be a real problem here), but you are the one supposedly setting rigorous scientific standards.

[PurpleLama]

It is expected, after a unusually long and cold winter, that insect and animal populations might experience more of a die off than usual. Where I live, it only amounted to a week or so of freezing weather, that was the full extent of the polar vortex as they called it. Aside from the lack of honey bees, which has been observed for a few years now, I can not see that we have any lack of the usual species of insects, birds, etc.

I work in the city, but I live in the country, and I do spend a bit of time outside tending gardens and such. Your demand that pictures being taken with newspapers or else you won't believe when the picture was taken, well, it does seem a little bit unreasonable. As if anyone around here would deceive you as to the amount of insects that might exist outside where they are. You say you know none of us even went outside to look before posting in your thread, I suspect you don't spend much time outside and that might explain why you don't see any bugs. This mind numbingly stupid brainwashed automaton says, go ahead and block me. Of course, if you do, you might miss any pictures I might post with newspapers and grasshoppers.

[araucaria]

It is expected, after a unusually long and cold winter, that insect and animal populations might experience more of a die off than usual.
And conversely, a mild winter will fail to kill of enough mice etc. and they become a problem. We have few mice in this urban area, but after a very mild winter, we have been infested with ants.

[Rich]

For example, I've known for decades, and humanity has known for longer, that the biosphere is being altered, (I was 6 years old when this video, for example, was made) and this has gone on so long now that, yes, the predictable outcome is predictable, and, this knowledge has been around forever, which only was relevant for the entire duration of our use of fossil fuels, and the 2 coincided.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LXiSPpfM54

So then, where is the remedy? Where is the block button in here, so that I can even have a sane, rational conversation in the first place? There has to be a way to weed out irrelevant and useless contributions, especially if they will knowingly lie to protect a belief system, otherwise, we may as well debate the existence of the number 3 or something.

That 3 comes after 2 and is the third number and is followed by 4 can not be open for debate!

WTF?there is a ignore button in a persons profile page don't know what effect it has thou won't see their posts at all anymore?

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And also their topics, anyone know?
Can you still recieve a thank you from a person on ignore?

[PurpleLama]

For example, I've known for decades, and humanity has known for longer, that the biosphere is being altered, (I was 6 years old when this video, for example, was made) and this has gone on so long now that, yes, the predictable outcome is predictable, and, this knowledge has been around forever, which only was relevant for the entire duration of our use of fossil fuels, and the 2 coincided.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LXiSPpfM54

So then, where is the remedy? Where is the block button in here, so that I can even have a sane, rational conversation in the first place? There has to be a way to weed out irrelevant and useless contributions, especially if they will knowingly lie to protect a belief system, otherwise, we may as well debate the existence of the number 3 or something.

That 3 comes after 2 and is the third number and is followed by 4 can not be open for debate!

WTF?there is a ignore button in a persons profile page don't know what effect it has thou won't see their posts at all anymore?

¤=[Post Update]=¤

And also their topics, anyone know?
Can you still recieve a thank you from a person on ignore?

When you ignore someone, you still see their threads and posts, but the posts are blank and the name shows up pink.

[PurpleLama]

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Speaking of, I wonder if Earthlink has ignored me, now.

[PurpleLama]

Before anyone else makes any comments here, I need to know that you are even qualified to make a comment here regarding a topic that requires some basic knowledge in the first place, just so that we all know that the competency of the speaker is valid.

Answer these 5 questions before making any further comments on my post please:

1) what is the atmosphere of this planet comprised of?
Lots of gasses, but mostly nitrogen, oxygen, and carbon dioxide.
2) how do you measure exhaust fumes from and internal combustion engine?
With a device that is designed to do so. Automotive work is not an area of expertise for me. Strat could tell us.
3) describe in detail the process which causes rain here on planet Earth
How much detail? Evaporation->Condensation->Precipitation
4) what is O2?
Oh, come on. It's just a couple of oxygen atoms who like each other very, very much.
5) what is Enthalpy?
What does this have to do with grasshoppers? H = U + pV

[PurpleLama]

Perhaps your paucity of grasshoppers involves the especially cold winter you've just had.

That's a thought. I discarded it though, because also a thought is that Grasshoppers are millions of years old now, and, Canada has had winters every year now for at least the last 60 million years, regular just like annual clockwork, so, I don't know that anything different and unusual has occurred.

Are you suggesting that we just had a once in at least 60 million year event?


Winnipeg is experiencing the second coldest winter in 75 years, the coldest in 35 years and the snowfall total is 50 per cent more than normal.

Saskatoon is experiencing the coldest winter in 18 years.

Windsor, Ont., is experiencing the coldest winter in 35 years and snowiest winter on record

Toronto is experiencing the coldest winter in 20 years; there have been at least 10 days of when temperature dipped below -20 C, which hasn't happened in seven years.

St. John’s, N.L., is experiencing the coldest winter in 20 years, the snowiest winter in seven years and a record number of stormy days.

Vancouver, known for its milder weather, is experiencing one of its coldest and snowiest Februarys in 25 years. (http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/this-winter-is-miserable-meteorologists-have-confirmed-it-1.1707717)

Not one in 60 million years, no, but probably sufficient to affect your local insect populations. The offer still stands, you can have as many of my grasshoppers as you want, or katydids, or whatever.

[Robin]

26820

Speaking of, I wonder if Earthlink has ignored me, now.

This is actually a Katydid (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tettigoniidae), a distant relative of the grasshopper. ;)

[PurpleLama]

26820

Speaking of, I wonder if Earthlink has ignored me, now.

This is actually a Katydid (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tettigoniidae), a distant relative of the grasshopper. ;)

Thank you Mr. Biologist. It was the one I could catch. ;)

[william r sanford72]

Got one ! Filmed at Webster's Falls - Dundas, Ontario
August 18, 2014

DFhk7OA1c2Q
iam living smack dab almost center... in one the biggest bio engineerd places on the planet.IOWA.the insect.bird.reptile.mammal population is in utter chaos.UNbalanced.my small acreage is a tiny little dot where I rarely mow..never spray and try to maintain minimal impact.and still the sighns are obvious in this energetic fortress and refuge.keeping bees also tuned me in pretty good.i use to see huge orb weavers..none on my plot in 2 years.grasshoppers right now have destroyed half my crops in the garden..second year in a row.:heh:.i posted about em last year on the bee thread..i found enormous amounts of hatched egg sacks after they cut hay..and was shocked at the amount..and they tripled it seems this year even with the polar vortex cold snap this last winter.we will see more and more displaced life forms..lack of population and diversity as things progress..awareness is a start and like how a simple question can lead to some real thought or not..:becky:...
truth and balance always'
William and tribe.

[DeDukshyn]

Before anyone else makes any comments here, I need to know that you are even qualified to make a comment here regarding a topic that requires some basic knowledge in the first place, just so that we all know that the competency of the speaker is valid.

Answer these 5 questions before making any further comments on my post please:

1) what is the atmosphere of this planet comprised of?
Lots of gasses, but mostly nitrogen, oxygen, and carbon dioxide.
2) how do you measure exhaust fumes from and internal combustion engine?
With a device that is designed to do so. Automotive work is not an area of expertise for me. Strat could tell us.
3) describe in detail the process which causes rain here on planet Earth
How much detail? Evaporation->Condensation->Precipitation
4) what is O2?
Oh, come on. It's just a couple of oxygen atoms who like each other very, very much.
5) what is Enthalpy?
What does this have to do with grasshoppers? H = U + pV

1) don't forget Argon -- there's 3Xs that than carbon dioxide ;)
2) A near IR diode laser can work ;)
...


I would go find one myself and pose it with a flyer so perhaps this discussion could get unstuck and move in a fruitful direction, but its raining right now. And I have seen grasshoppers this year in Calgary -- If we are to just take EarthLink's word that his grasshoppers are all gone, why can't he take ours when we say ours are not?

[araucaria]

Most of the time here, the ‘air’ is made up chiefly of water vapour, which although a greenhouse gas several orders of magnitude more voluminous than C02, keeps us wet and miserable and, counterintuitively, cold. Not a climate for gracehopers.

O2 is a sports and concert arena in Greenwich, London, formerly known as the Millennium Dome. Being a round place where many people huddle together, it produces a form of global warming.

[PurpleLama]

O2 is also a newer collection (http://www.omegamoulding.com/PressReleaseDetail.aspx?ID=46) of picture frame moulding available from Omega Moulding Company. We picked those up at my shop a while back, and they are great.

http://www.omegamoulding.com/SSF/O2/o2logo.gif

[DeDukshyn]

Also, I used to listen to a rock band in the 90's called "Firehouse" ("Rock on the Radio", "All she Wrote" -- anyone else remember these songs?) -- they had an album called "O2", but I was already out of the old school "rock" scene by then, and more into the "rave" scene ;)

It is supposed to rain till Saturday, but after that I'll bag a grasshopper or two and take some photos, then we can all agree that we aren't lying about this, then hopefully discussion of the apparent cyclical nature of insect populations and/or possible reasoning for their apparent decline, along with the butterflies if needed can be had, rather than fighting about whether more than zero, or zero grasshoppers exist still on planet earth or where they went.

Just last weekend my daughter brought in a grasshopper in a jar into the house to show me, and kept for a couple days as her "pet". But since I don't have a photo of it with a newspaper, I guess I'm lying till then :P so stay tuned ;)

[Bluegreen]

This question is valid.
I didn't get bitten by a single mosquito this summer.
That's never happened before.
:confused:

[araucaria]

This question is valid.
I didn't get bitten by a single mosquito this summer.
That's never happened before.
:confused:
Welcome to the forum :)



What question is valid? It may concern the collective or just you personally in more subtle ways than simply putative climate change. Climate change is a very broad brush to describe from an external viewpoint what is happening internally to us humans both individually and collectively. We are emerging into new territory where many things are happening that ‘never happened before’. You have to work out for yourself what is going on. It sounds like you have got past getting stung by something or someone.

Last month, I had a stray swarm of bees come up really close. That's never happened before. Here’s what I made of that:


Yesterday we had lunch outside but went in for coffee. Just as well, because a swarm of bees roared in and parked themselves on a branch not ten feet from where my head had been twenty minutes earlier. All four of us would have been stung a few times by kamikaze bees. An amateur beekeeper came last night to hive them off – up to ten thousand he reckoned, and he only left about a hundred, which have now gone and will soon die off. Apparently there has been a lot of this going on this year, and he has lost quite a few himself. Maybe these will give him some honey next year.


As an example of what is known in literary terms as an “objective correlative” of what is going on in my head (and apparently a few others as well), we might see this year as a time for the scattered forces of an industrious endangered species regrouping in the safe hive of a keeper, shorn of 1%, and ready to produce its sweet honey sometime soon.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Objective_correlative

[Mike Gorman]

Now you mention it I have not seen any of those really large green Grasshoppers, or Praying Mantis, or stick insects for ages-back in the 1970's they were just everywhere in summer
i really have not seen anything like what they used to be - maybe too much chemical spraying?

[PurpleLama]

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Speaking of, I wonder if Earthlink has ignored me, now.

This is actually a Katydid (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tettigoniidae), a distant relative of the grasshopper. ;)

May this satisfy the biologist in us all. ;)

26838

I tried to get the grasshopper several times to face the camera and smile, but it was distinctly uncooperative, as you can see.

[Earthlink]

Katydid's is what is on your newspaper there, and so is what the spider caught in the earlier video, so, no, no one has presented a current picture of a Grasshopper here yet. There used to be at least 3 different kinds of Grasshoppers here where I live: the smaller ones that would just jump, the slightly bigger ones that would jump and then glide on wing action, and then the largest of the 3 types, the ones with dragonfly type wings that could jump and then fly.

Grasshoppers are just the latest casualty in a long line of casualties beginning around the year 2000.

As the O2 level of the atmosphere of this planet drops, under the weight of the over 100 million barrels of oil being burned daily, species are also dropping. All insects birds and fish populations continue to be decimated by a daily lowering of the O2 level of the atmosphere.

This isn't science fiction, it is real, and it is happening globally. I have a colleague high up in the mountainous portion of western Brazil, and where she lives there have been no birds and no insects what-so-ever since at least 2010. In higher elevation locations like Peru and Tibet Humans are now succumbing to Hypoxia and if not resuscitated with oxygen, they die.

Every year is worse than the last, and this fossil industrial complex plods on completely oblivious to the chemical changes it is rendering unto our atmosphere, aided of course by all the arm chair warriors, who, from the seat of their arses discredit all knowledge and actual reading from atmospheric monitoring, replacing these real facts with their boogey man theories on conspiracies and why anyone in the sciences could possibly gain would we were to stop subsidizing oil to the tune of trillions of dollars annually now collected from all world governments.

We will have all of the species in the Animal Kingdom, or we will have the fossil industrial complex, but we will not have both.

Words to die by.

[Bluegreen]

This question is valid.
I didn't get bitten by a single mosquito this summer.
That's never happened before.
:confused:
Welcome to the forum :)



What question is valid? It may concern the collective or just you personally in more subtle ways than simply putative climate change. Climate change is a very broad brush to describe from an external viewpoint what is happening internally to us humans both individually and collectively. We are emerging into new territory where many things are happening that ‘never happened before’. You have to work out for yourself what is going on. It sounds like you have got past getting stung by something or someone.

Last month, I had a stray swarm of bees come up really close. That's never happened before. Here’s what I made of that:


Yesterday we had lunch outside but went in for coffee. Just as well, because a swarm of bees roared in and parked themselves on a branch not ten feet from where my head had been twenty minutes earlier. All four of us would have been stung a few times by kamikaze bees. An amateur beekeeper came last night to hive them off – up to ten thousand he reckoned, and he only left about a hundred, which have now gone and will soon die off. Apparently there has been a lot of this going on this year, and he has lost quite a few himself. Maybe these will give him some honey next year.


As an example of what is known in literary terms as an “objective correlative” of what is going on in my head (and apparently a few others as well), we might see this year as a time for the scattered forces of an industrious endangered species regrouping in the safe hive of a keeper, shorn of 1%, and ready to produce its sweet honey sometime soon.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Objective_correlative
Thank you! :o
"Is it just something in my town, or several towns, or is it everywhere?"

[Earthlink]

How about a current picture of a Pigeon? What is your excuse for there being few to no Pigeons remaining? How about Deerflies, Horseflies or Blackflies? What is your excuse for all these species being now deceased? How about all the billions of dead fish annually now, where this year a new record was set where the belly up fish kept dying all the way to the end of May this year?

Why can you not simply accept truth?

What is it about internal combustion engines that you love so much that you would be willing to give up the very air you breathe to them?

Do you profit from the use of fossil fuels perhaps?

[Earthlink]

Bluegreen said: "Is it just something in my town, or several towns, or is it everywhere?"

It is everywhere, since, there is only one atmosphere here on this planet, and this atmosphere is being stripped of all of its' useful oxygen by all the internal combustion engines, which, are oxygen hogs. It takes 35,000 Humans to use as much oxygen as one small internal combustion engine.

[PurpleLama]

As I pointed out, you cant see his face, but you can see how much shorter his antennae are. Pictured above is indeed a grasshopper. After Samwise pointed out that the first photographed insect was indeed a katydid, I brushed up on the morphological differences and made sure you would have your photograph of a grasshopper. If Samwise comes along and corrects me, I will accept his word for it, however you are no more a biologist than myself. We actually have many species of grasshopper and katydid in the place where I live, and some of these resemble one another at first glance, especially by color. The insect from yesterday had larger wings, longer antennae, thinner legs and a smaller head than the one pictured today, it was also much easier to catch.

All that being said, I agree substantially with your above post, just not the part asserting my grasshopper is a katydid.

[PurpleLama]

How about a current picture of a Pigeon? There are pigeons outside the back door of my workplace, but I am not humoring you on this one. What is your excuse for there being few to no Pigeons remaining? How about Deerflies, Horseflies or Blackflies? What is your excuse for all these species being now deceased? How about all the billions of dead fish annually now, where this year a new record was set where the belly up fish kept dying all the way to the end of May this year?
Although I think it is silly, the proofs of species continued existence as you have demanded, the issues you are actually pointing at are extremely important and you are doing them some disservice by your eccentric demands.
Why can you not simply accept truth?

What is it about internal combustion engines that you love so much that you would be willing to give up the very air you breathe to them? I personally abhor the use of fossil fuels in my daily life. Shall I next provide you a picture of my electric lawn mower? Nevermind that my electricity likely comes from a fossil fuel source. We shall invest in some solar method of acquiring our needed electricity, as soon as we might afford to.

Do you profit from the use of fossil fuels perhaps? No, but there are those that do. For me, it costs a lot, financially, and otherwise as you would rightly observe.

[Earthlink]

Not much of an ignore feature, since, I can click to read your posts anyway, and I'm not complaining about that, however the armchair warriors who just sit and deny deny deny all culpability on behalf of the oil companies is extremely detrimental.

[DeDukshyn]

Katydid's is what is on your newspaper there, ...

In the name of science ...

THIS is a katydid ...

http://www.worldofstock.com/slides/NIN1487.jpg

THIS is a juvenile grasshopper (Schistocerca Shoshone) which looks to me pretty darn close to lama's photo than any katydid. His original, and the one in the video are large katydids - the last one is indeed a grasshopper (albeit one with one back leg ... had a time catching it? ;))

http://bugguide.net/images/raw/9LFLWL3LBLSZVL0ZDLQZVLYLJZERKH5RSH6RSHERBLIZAL4RDZYLPLLZWL3LDZ7R6LXR0HPRRH8R0H.jpg

[Earthlink]

Nothing personal, but, my Home World is being rendered inhospitable as I type.

[PurpleLama]

Not much of an ignore feature, since, I can click to read your posts anyway, and I'm not complaining about that, however the armchair warriors who just sit and deny deny deny all culpability on behalf of the oil companies is extremely detrimental.

I get the sense you don't like me very much, which really makes me want to try harder to be your friend. I bet a dollar you can't find a single person on this forum who would dare deny any, much less all, culpability on behalf of the oil companies. I personally live in the region so effected by the BP disaster of 2010, the phrase that comes to mind is preaching to the choir.

[DeDukshyn]

So we have a picture of a grasshopper, what direction would you like to take this conversation now? Nobody here has doubted that when it comes to usual critters some things seem out of place or changing, but the grasshoppers are still around, in fact about five years ago I also thought they had all disappeared, but then they came back again. I don't have any explanation for that. We do know there are some nasty new pesticides out there, that could be wreaking havoc on natures balance; we have climate change -- but that might be natural, we have enviro pollution to new records, perhaps it's a mix? Perhaps it is the weather?

My main point is this thread needs a direction this silly argument about whether they exist are not is over as far as I'm concerned. Thanks for the proof Lama.

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Nothing personal, but, my Home World is being rendered inhospitable as I type.

Ours too. No one denies this. We only denied that all the grasshoppers have disappeared.

[Earthlink]

Since oxygen is a relatively fat heavy gas in the atmosphere, it is at its' highest concentration at sea level, and it is at sea level where the last of any species will be found. As you go up in elevation, like where I am at a mere 90 metres above sea level, there are fewer of all types of other species, and high up in coffee growing country in Brazil now, there's nothing.

And, I don't know you, how could I possibly dislike you.

[Jake]

I am going to ignore that you called everybody mind numbingly stupid for the moment.

There are Grasshopper control programs in your part of the world. Did you look into it? Forgive me for being mind numbingly stupid for a second...

Here is the Grasshopper forecast for 2014 for Manitoba, right next door to Ontario. Have you looked into it? Sorry,,, just a mind numbingly stupid person here...

http://www.gov.mb.ca/agriculture/crops/insects/pubs/hopperforecast14_writeup.pdf

Here (http://www.gov.mb.ca/agriculture/crops/insects/mb-grasshopper-survey.html)are the protocols for a Grasshopper Survey Project in your area. Have you looked into it??


Manitoba Grasshopper Survey Protocol
Purpose
•Estimates of grasshopper densities in an area in late-summer (when grasshoppers are laying eggs) helps estimate the number of eggs overwintering and forecast the risk of grasshoppers being at problem levels the next growing season.
•Collecting annual survey data shows trends in grasshopper populations over a number of years.
•This forecast can be used to prepare seeding strategies for the following year, as well as to plan for cultural or chemical forms of control.
•Monitoring grasshopper numbers in late summer during routine field visits will indicate locally areas where egg laying is likely to be highest. These areas are where grasshopper hatch will likely be heaviest the next spring, and early season populations will be concentrated.
When To Do Grasshopper Counts
Locations should be sampled when the majority of grasshoppers are in the adult stage. Adult grasshoppers have fully developed wings and can fly. Only adult grasshoppers are counted because the survey is trying to estimate the number of eggs that will be overwintering using a technique that is not too time consuming (sampling for eggs later in the fall is very time consuming). Since the adults are the reproductive stage, they are the stage that is surveyed.

To meet this requirement, sites should be surveyed between August 1st and September 1st. The survey is designed so that counts can be done during routine field visits if desired, and thus will not be too time consuming.

Where To Do Grasshopper Counts
Only roadsides or sites in the field need to be sampled, wherever grasshopper populations appear to be highest. If both field and roadside are monitored, only whichever of the two has the highest counts will be used to produce the map. Most often, highest densities will be along the roadside, but pasture and alfalfa stands may be the reverse.

How Many Locations Should Be Sampled
Sample enough locations so that you have a good representation of the grasshopper populations in your area. If possible, sample at least five locations in your district.

How To Do Grasshopper Counts
1.At each location, walk approximately 50 metres and estimate the number of grasshoppers in five one-metre² areas along the 50-metre strip. Getting exact counts can be difficult, particularly if vegetation is tall or dense. When exact counts are not possible, estimates are all that are required to forecast risk in an area.
2.Adding the five counts and dividing by five will give you your average number per metre².
3.Fill out the attached form completely. Remember to include a legal location for each site.
Tips To Make Estimating Grasshopper Densities Easier
•Estimating the Area to Sample. Before starting the counts, measure one metre² on the ground to fix the size of the unit to be assessed for grasshoppers in your mind. A meter stick can be carried as a visual tool to give perspective for a one-metre width, if needed. With experience, one can often visualize the necessary width and a meter stick may not be required.
•Counting Grasshoppers. To estimate grasshopper density, as you begin walking the 50-metre strip, focus on an area ahead of you that is about one metre². As you walk toward the metre² area, estimate the number of grasshoppers that jump or fly from the area. If grasshopper numbers are high it will not be possible to get an exact count of the number of grasshoppers that jump or fly from the area of your count as you approach it. Estimating the approximate number, or a range (ex, 20 to 30) is sometimes all that can be done. Once at the metre², count the remaining grasshoppers in the metre² . A quick and easy way to detect grasshoppers while at the metre² is to disturb the plants in the area with your feet to encourage any grasshoppers still present to jump. Repeat four more times along the 50-metre strip to get your five counts.
•Estimating High Numbers of Grasshoppers. If grasshopper numbers are very high, and estimating the number of grasshoppers per metre² is difficult, try estimating numbers in a quarter of a metre², or a foot2 area. If estimating numbers in a quarter metre², multiply by four to get a metre² count; if using a foot² count, multiplying by ten will give an approximate metre2 count.
•Caution: Do Not Bias Your Counts. The grasshopper counts are meant to be a representation of the average number of grasshoppers per metre² in the approximately 50-metre area you are surveying. This means that within the 50 metres, the five counts should be at random, not just where grasshoppers are clustered. The risk of having high counts that are not representative of the true number of grasshoppers per metre² on average is even greater when counting grasshoppers in areas smaller than one metre² and multiplying by four or ten (as described above). As an example, in an area with low grasshopper numbers, selectively looking for foot² areas with at least one or two grasshoppers in them to do a counts will, after doing the math, result in counts of at least ten to 20/metre² , which may be very unrepresentative of the average grasshopper density in the area. For this reason, estimating grasshopper numbers using count areas smaller than one metre² is only recommended when populations are very high and estimating numbers per metre² is very difficult.
Recording Observations
Noting the following while surveying grasshoppers will also be useful.

Fungal Pathogen Of Grasshoppers

Dead grasshoppers clinging to the upper portion of the plant are an indication of a fungal pathogen, Entomophagus grylli. Note where, and the approximate density of these diseased grasshoppers if present.

Predominant Species Of Grasshopper

If you are comfortable distinguishing the different species of grasshoppers, and notice while doing the counts that a particular species of grasshopper is predominant in an area, this is useful information.

Other Observations

Other observations (such as an abundance of grasshopper predators, etc.) which may influence grasshopper populations should also be noted.

What Will Be Done With The Numbers And Observations You Collect
The final results will be used to produce a grasshopper forecast map for the agricultural area of Manitoba. Grasshopper counts from August will be mapped to forecast the maximum risk for the following year according to the following criteria:

0-4 / metre² = very light
12-24 / metre² = severe
4-8 / metre² = light
> 24 / metre² = very severe
8-12 / metre² = moderate


Interpretation of the data and observations will also be prepared.

Where To Send Data
Please send or email this PDF survey (PDF 20 KB) by September 30, 2014 to:

John Gavloski
Manitoba Agriculture, Food and Rural Development
Box 1149
Carman, Manitoba R0G 0J0
Fax: 204-745-5690


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There are lots of studies and information for you to look into. Don't just come around insulting folks because they do not have an answer... Why is it someone else's responsibility to prove to you that grasshoppers are alive and well on planet earth.

Countless reasons why grasshopper populations vary from season to season. Do your own research.. And perhaps take a deep breath, as there is oxygen everywhere too!!! (even though you can't see it.. )

Forgive us for being mind numbingly stupid... Oh great seeker of grasshoppers...

Jake.

[Earthlink]

Just remember these 2 things when discussing these real world measurements with others:

It takes about 35,000 Humans to consume as much oxygen as one small internal combustion engine. If we put 35,000 people in a commercial space, with 8 foot high ceilings, and a lawnmower running on a high idle, all 35,000 Humans would die, and the lawnmower would just keep running.

Secondly, we have, many times over, filled rooms in churches and what not with candles, and, it doesn't matter how many candles you have lit in a room with you, you will be fine. This all changes when an oxygen hog internal combustion engine is brought in.

It is what it is, and, it never should have even been discussed. It is an open and shut case, were one to simply examine the incoming gasses versus the outgoing oxides.

Einstein said in the 40's that "it is a mistake for us to share our world with devices that, like me, consume oxygen" and that quote right there is all that has ever been needed in this discussion.

It has been from the very beginning a mistake.

[Earthlink]

Jake all of the square metres of all my property contain 0 Grasshoppers.

[Earthlink]

This is what the last 20 years have been like: no one responds to anything until it has become too late, for, for every person who works in any of the sciences who tells others of what he or she has discovered, there has been tens of thousands of fossil fuel industry think tank bogus scientific papers, doc's, pdf's and media personalities all professing that nothing untoward has occurred at all.

[Jake]

Jake all of the square metres of all my property contain 0 Grasshoppers.

That is alarming. I am not disbelieving you. Just pointing out that there are avenues of research that do not require insulting everyone at Avalon! I not being a bully here. I feel your frustration.. Perhaps be a bit more proactive, and offer your knowledge and advice, rather that calling everyone names. It is the OPPOSITE of inspiring a search for truth.

If your query regarding grasshopper are linked to your research about oxygen levels, then by all means,,, we are all ears. We'd love to be updated.. Nobody wants to be a mind numbingly stupid person, do they?

Jake.

[Jake]

This is what the last 20 years have been like: no one responds to anything until it has become too late, for, for every person who works in any of the sciences who tells others of what he or she has discovered, there has been tens of thousands of fossil fuel industry think tank bogus scientific papers, doc's, pdf's and media personalities all professing that nothing untoward has occurred at all.

I guess, if you say so, You haven't shown that at all!! You accuse other of making statements without backing it with proof... Show me the bogus studies regarding grasshoppers.. Don't just make claims... It is what you are insulting people for, then you turn around and do the exact same thing.

Of course you did not survey all of Ontario.... Nor have you looked into it.

And you should be a bit more mindful of when you decide to insult members...

Jak.e

[araucaria]

I don't photograph pigeons becasue they are far too common here - I have a pair nesting in my garden. I have a nuclear powered lawnmower I use as little as possible. I trim my hedge by hand. I have a small car I drive as little as possible because I can't cycle fast enough to go anywhere with a suitcase or a trolley of groceries. I have planted a couple of thousand trees in my time that are busy converting CO2 into C and O2. I acknowledge and profess that big oil has got to go and try to put that policy into practice.

If any of the above makes you reach for the Ignore button, you may as well reach for the Unsubscribe button instead. Alternatively, if you don't believe what I say without my supplying dubious proof, maybe you should reach for my All My Posts button and find out who you are talking to.

[Earthlink]

This is what the last 20 years have been like: no one responds to anything until it has become too late, for, for every person who works in any of the sciences who tells others of what he or she has discovered, there has been tens of thousands of fossil fuel industry think tank bogus scientific papers, doc's, pdf's and media personalities all professing that nothing untoward has occurred at all.

I guess, if you say so, You haven't shown that at all!! You accuse other of making statements without backing it with proof... Show me the bogus studies regarding grasshoppers.. Don't just make claims... It is what you are insulting people for, then you turn around and do the exact same thing.

Of course you did not survey all of Ontario.... Nor have you looked into it.

And you should be a bit more mindful of when you decide to insult members...

Jak.e

Jake said: "Show me the bogus studies regarding Grasshoppers"

It's a proper noun, Jake, the word Grasshopper, and so, it should have a capital letter. Also, you said you wanted to see the "bogus" studies. It would be pointless, for, you have already determined them to be bogus. Not that that matters though, for, I didn't ask for a study in the first place. You brought that up. What I asked for, were pictures of Grasshoppers. Show me that, Jake, for, that would represent actual evidence.

And speaking of studies, what you posted earlier there, Jake, was a guideline and instructions on sampling how many Grasshoppers there are per unit of land.

Well, what did you determine?

How many, according to the methods you presented, Jake, Grasshoppers are there per square metre of land?

So listen for a second now. You can not talk about member rights unless you mean all members. There is nothing more hollow and shallow than "selectively" treating some members one way, and another group of members or member in a different way. Your total membership will decline to the number of members who get "special" treatment only, and the rest will either leave, or, never take you seriously.

Who's post is this post right here that I am currently entering text on?

Why should I, as a member, be subjected to opinions from other members who blatantly lie, on my post, to me and everyone else reading: my post?

???

It's a slippery slope brother, when you start casting some form of moral code of conduct amongst any diversified group, and imho, you are not good at it and could use some climbing lessons and improve your ability to navigate a slippery slope. Slippery slope doesn't imply an impossible task, many have traversed them, it begets a learned and practiced ability.

[Earthlink]

I'm sorry, and, to everyone else viewing this post: I am heartened to hear that we have insect hatcheries. We need them. Any electrical engineers or electricians in this thread: electrolysis works. Any refrigeration mechanics: big compressors are what we use to get Oxygen or Hydrogen into tanks, and also big compressors allow us to pull specific gasses from the atmosphere individually, more or less, at specific pressures. This issue has been given "special" treatment for far too long, and, we need to be industrious regarding it today. CO, CO2, NO, NO2, SO, SO2 HO AND H2O2 (exhaust fumes) can all be taken from the atmosphere, with big compressors, and subsequently have the Carbon, Sulphur and Nitrogen removed from the Oxygen and then release that O2 back into the atmosphere.

Also, this needs to happen right now, otherwise, it will all continue to end, and then end.

[PurpleLama]

So everyone who said they had grasshoppers (but me, I took the picture you asked for!) lied about it? Where is your evidence to the contrary?

I understand your concerns with the environment, I share them, even. But, you are not doing your cause any justice by approaching us this way, neither are you doing your continued involvement in this forum any favor by addressing a moderator in the way you have above. PA gets a lot of viewers worldwide, perhaps a better approach presenting evidence yourself would go further to increase awareness of the precarious situation the various ecosystems of the planet.

[Earthlink]

So everyone who said they had grasshoppers (but me, I took the picture you asked for!) lied about it? Where is your evidence to the contrary?

I understand your concerns with the environment, I share them, even. But, you are not doing your cause any justice by approaching us this way, neither are you doing your continued involvement in this forum any favor by addressing a moderator in the way you have above. PA gets a lot of viewers worldwide, perhaps a better approach presenting evidence yourself would go further to increase awareness of the precarious situation the various ecosystems of the planet.

Sorry. That's all I got. If you are not fond of my choice of words there, I'm sorry for that. I'm not fond of being removed from a conversation while in the midst of it, and I will never be fond of being removed from a conversation while in its' midst.

[Jake]

This is what the last 20 years have been like: no one responds to anything until it has become too late, for, for every person who works in any of the sciences who tells others of what he or she has discovered, there has been tens of thousands of fossil fuel industry think tank bogus scientific papers, doc's, pdf's and media personalities all professing that nothing untoward has occurred at all.

I guess, if you say so, You haven't shown that at all!! You accuse other of making statements without backing it with proof... Show me the bogus studies regarding grasshoppers.. Don't just make claims... It is what you are insulting people for, then you turn around and do the exact same thing.

Of course you did not survey all of Ontario.... Nor have you looked into it.

And you should be a bit more mindful of when you decide to insult members...

Jak.e

Jake said: "Show me the bogus studies regarding Grasshoppers"

It's a proper noun, Jake, the word Grasshopper, and so, it should have a capital letter. Also, you said you wanted to see the "bogus" studies. It would be pointless, for, you have already determined them to be bogus. Not that that matters though, for, I didn't ask for a study in the first place. You brought that up. What I asked for, were pictures of Grasshoppers. Show me that, Jake, for, that would represent actual evidence.

And speaking of studies, what you posted earlier there, Jake, was a guideline and instructions on sampling how many Grasshoppers there are per unit of land.

Well, what did you determine?

How many, according to the methods you presented, Jake, Grasshoppers are there per square metre of land?

So listen for a second now. You can not talk about member rights unless you mean all members. There is nothing more hollow and shallow than "selectively" treating some members one way, and another group of members or member in a different way. Your total membership will decline to the number of members who get "special" treatment only, and the rest will either leave, or, never take you seriously.

Who's post is this post right here that I am currently entering text on?

Why should I, as a member, be subjected to opinions from other members who blatantly lie, on my post, to me and everyone else reading: my post?

???

It's a slippery slope brother, when you start casting some form of moral code of conduct amongst any diversified group, and imho, you are not good at it and could use some climbing lessons and improve your ability to navigate a slippery slope. Slippery slope doesn't imply an impossible task, many have traversed them, it begets a learned and practiced ability.

Welcome back! My friend,, this is not YOUR discussion,, this is not YOUR thread,,,, if you have no need or want of another opinion,, then why are you here??? If not to simply insult people and make yourself feel better about yourself??

Thank you for the English lesson... I said show me the bogus studies that YOU had mentioned...

I don't know a damn thing about it, my friend,,,,, I was just offering some advice about data collecting regarding grasshoppers in your area. I am no expert, and never claimed to be. :)

I know that I was at the river the other day,, and there were lots of grasshoppers. Just sayin,,,


I suggest that you re-read the forum guidelines regarding insulting members. You have singled YOURSELF out by insulting individuals, and the entire forum..

If I let you insult people,, then YOU are the one getting special treatment, and,,, well,,,,,, I've seen nothing that makes you more special. Sorry.

Feel free to take your insults to another forum, and see where it gets ya.. This forum continues to grow in numbers and in strength of character, as we continue to protect it from folks who continually try and destroy it. Where do you fit in?

I'm not an expert in grasshoppers.. And if I were to take your lead,,, I never would be!!!

Good luck with your insults and your method of research...

Did you really spend 7 days away, and come back swinging???

You should learn to relax, breathe,, try and find a way to NOT insult people.. I am practically begging you... My friend,, you can spend your time trying to attack me,, I do care what others think, but your approach here is a bit embarrassing. Do you ever read back what you write?? Seriously,,, Your best argument here is that I can't spell grasshopper.. Brilliant...


Try and focus, and bring a more coherent mindset into this discussion.

The grasshoppers would appreciate it...

Love to you, Brother EarthLink.
Jake .

P.S.



So everyone who said they had grasshoppers (but me, I took the picture you asked for!) lied about it? Where is your evidence to the contrary?

I understand your concerns with the environment, I share them, even. But, you are not doing your cause any justice by approaching us this way, neither are you doing your continued involvement in this forum any favor by addressing a moderator in the way you have above. PA gets a lot of viewers worldwide, perhaps a better approach presenting evidence yourself would go further to increase awareness of the precarious situation the various ecosystems of the planet.

Sorry. That's all I got. If you are not fond of my choice of words there, I'm sorry for that. I'm not fond of being removed from a conversation while in the midst of it, and I will never be fond of being removed from a conversation while in its' midst.

You were removed BECAUSE of your choice words...

Jake.

[Hogswitch]

Had one turn up in my kitchen just the other day. (Not a scientific study).

[Earthlink]

Well, no, actually. I neither want, nor respect, nor could use, another opinion. This all has to be based on facts. I'm in the sciences, and I don't know what you know or don't know of them, but I do know that in science there is what is known as zero tolerance. For example, Iron melts at around 1500 C, and, I can't argue that point with someone. When I heat up an iron rod held horizontally in a vice with a blow torch, and that rod gets close to 1500 degrees, it is going to get droopy and bend, just like play-doh, and, there's nothing I can say or do to prevent this. Water boils at 100 C, and I would look pretty foolish arguing against that. Add a current flow to water and you're going to get the two elements Oxygen and Hydrogen separated, not, the two elements Silver and Gold.

Old Jewish proverb: A half truth is still a whole lie.

As long as you're not advocating for science fiction in place of science, Jake, I don't really mind what you, or any others: do.

We're in a lot of trouble here now, and, I'm just trying to be the change I want to see in the world. My world includes zero tolerance: it must, for, everything would fall down without it.

[Earthlink]

If things were the way others say they are: things would all be fine.

Things are not all fine: things are not the way others say they are.

I'm sorry, in the name of science, and at this late date, I'm not accepting verbal testimony. Everyone has a camera on their phone, or, could find one, and regardless, in my mind this conversation has already moved beyond this point. A professor at U Guelph here in Ontario, a hobby bird watcher, called this the Suppression of Oxygen Displacement, or SOD for short, and because it has been a slow loss of insect bird and fish populations over a period beginning in the year 2000, and, everything didn't all die on the same day, it doesn't look like the actual catastrophe that it is.

Personally I wanted us to declare a state of emergency over this in 2007. Nothing before has ever warranted this as this does now.

[Fairy Friend]

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?74376-Biblical-Swarm--Millions-of-Locust-Descend-Upon-Madagascar-s-Capital-&p=870856&highlight=Madagascar#post870856

There appear to be swarms in Madagascar.

[PurpleLama]

It's a proper noun, Jake, the word Grasshopper, and so, it should have a capital letter.




One little quibble, grasshopper is not a proper noun. :o

A proper noun is a noun that in its primary application refers to a unique entity, such as London, Jupiter, Sarah, or Microsoft, as distinguished from a common noun, which usually refers to a class of entities (city, planet, person, corporation), or non-unique instances of a certain class (a city, another planet, these persons, our corporation). (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proper_noun)

[donk]

O2 is also a newer collection (http://www.omegamoulding.com/PressReleaseDetail.aspx?ID=46) of picture frame moulding available from Omega Moulding Company. We picked those up at my shop a while back, and they are great.

http://www.omegamoulding.com/SSF/O2/o2logo.gif

I want to be better than Oxygen:

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this is not very scientific, but I have found that on my journey through experience (I have no evidence to provide, you don't have to believe me) that alienating myself by being hostile when sharing what is important to me was a non-starter…around 2007 is around when I was declaring a "state of emergency", much in the same tone you are using here. Guess what? It didn't help a thing, didn't change a single mind...especially when I was preaching to a choir. I hope you find peace...

[Robin]

Instead of asking the question "Does anybody else have grasshoppers in their area?," I'd suggest asking yourself the question, "Why is it I do not have any grasshoppers in my area?"

Have you given thoughts to why grasshoppers are absent from your land, when in previous years they were common? Perhaps some new fertilizer or spilled chemical has poisoned your area which has caused a die-off of some of your insect denizens. I'd suggest getting soil samples and sending them in to a lab.

Some questions for you:

Is there an absent of other organisms in your area that you can tell are gone?

Is there any chemical you can think of that may have leached into your soil, whether personally or externally caused?

Have you talked with the local people in your area of this issue? What do they think?

Do you think the climate in your area has anything to do with this?

Do you have a lot of chemtrails in your area?

[Earthlink]

"Is there an absent of other organisms in your area that you can tell are gone?"

Yes, and, it is the same in Vermont, China and here in Ontario, three places I have been in the last 7 years. Everything is going away, and, it is the same truth everywhere on the globe, since, the altering of the composition of the atmosphere by internal combustion engines pervades everywhere the sky does.

"Is there any chemical you can think of that may have leached into your soil, whether personally or externally caused?"

Not here where I am living now, no, and in the places I've been in Vermont that isn't the case either. I know it is a terrifying idea to grasp that the sky itself has been altered so much, and the O2 level has declined so much now that species are dying from hypoxia, however species continue to die from a lack of O2, which is also the energy that drives ICE's.

"Have you talked with the local people in your area of this issue? What do they think?"

There is overwhelming evidence that my assertions are are founded in reality. Reactions from others vary, and any with a good background in any of the sciences, or those who did well in school, ranges from scant belief to outright disbelief that it was not only allowed to occur in the first place, but that it continues. Those without a suitable background will believe you when you tell them that we looked closely at the sky, at the molecular level, and what the sky is made from resembles a bunch of little blue Elephants and purple Unicorns. If they don't know, they don't know, and in the absence of knowledge, people create gods and demons.

"Do you think the climate in your area has anything to do with this?"

In my mind I have never, ever, seen any evidence that climate has ever been able to have an effect like this on any of the life forms here. Not even close, even though many do speak of it, I have never seen any examples or justification to blaming the weather outside for any effects on animal life, especially not an effect that results in vast numbers of species going completely extinct. There is no evidence of this.

"Do you have a lot of chemtrails in your area?"

For all I know, chemtrails could be an attempt to restore the O2 level, since the biosphere is collapsing presently and the damage is at the elemental level, but generally chemtrails are over the cities and heavily populated areas, not so much here.

[william r sanford72]

well meant to post this last month..and just now uploaded it.we have grasshoppers.and caught a katydid for good measure.:o
-X-wFTy5_8U
truth and balance always.
william

[RunningDeer]

well meant to post this last month..and just now uploaded it.we have grasshoppers.and caught a katydid for good measure.:o
-X-wFTy5_8U
truth and balance always.
william

Cool William! You fit right in with nature!

Much love,
Paula

[thunder24]

well meant to post this last month..and just now uploaded it.we have grasshoppers.and caught a katydid for good measure.:o
-X-wFTy5_8U
truth and balance always.
william


dude so good to see another avalonian with a video... good show dude.. peace

[DeDukshyn]

The oxygen levels of earth have been declining for millions of years. The sole reason there existed 4 foot long centipedes, dragonflies with three foot wingspans and a myriad of other giant insects and arachnids is due to the increased oxygen levels of those times. The correlation between oxygen levels and insects is their size -- not their existence. They have survived all the major extinctions. They have changed, yes and evolved, many species fade away and hundreds more are "created", "evolved" or "discovered" every year -- evidence to this constant change.

So I would not expect insects to just "disappear" as the oxygen level is reduced slowly, they just won't grow as large. By the time there is so little oxygen that all the insects disappear, I am certain many, many other creatures will have met their species fate before that time - so it isn't like we would not have noticed.

Did the dinosaurs abuse internal combustion engines that lowered the oxygen levels of the planet during their times? I don't believe so. So there is definitely a natural aspect to all of this without a doubt.

Have humans' activities helped reduce oxygen levels beyond where they would be naturally? likely plausible, but to what extent? Where are the stats? This should be looked into first before we start using loose correlation of the observations of one person in one area of the planet to spell out the facts for us.

Have there been changes in insect populations along with the climate changes we have been seeing? Yes, it appears so, but there could be a natural correlation here as well.

Things we do know, is that humans have no proper control over the amount of ****e (and I don't mean the organic type) or what type we are polluting the planet with, or what the result will be until it is too late. We need to reach a balance - this is obvious.

So we do know that the planet needs "help" (or rather, that we do). We have a million ways to say it and have been saying it for a long time -- no secret here. We know the earth and it's flora and fauna are and will continue to be affected. We know this and little has changed.
The real problem is collective inaction to force the solutions on those who only care about their current lives and their offshore bank accounts. Or better yet, we need to remove all those psychopaths from power.

Then we are back to the daily theme here on Avalon ... full circle.

My 2 cents ;)

[Earthlink]

well meant to post this last month..and just now uploaded it.we have grasshoppers.and caught a katydid for good measure.:o
-X-wFTy5_8U
truth and balance always.
william

Thank you for this William. Could you give me your zip code, or postal code, so we can mark the elevation and location?

[william r sanford72]

well meant to post this last month..and just now uploaded it.we have grasshoppers.and caught a katydid for good measure.:o
-X-wFTy5_8U
truth and balance always.
william

Thank you for this William. Could you give me your zip code, or postal code, so we can mark the elevation and location?

indeed would bee happy to..52531.we live outside of town..Monroe county area.albia iowa.and I just wanted to post that vid to reassure others that the scum running the show are not the only ones pushing back.HOPE.there are true protectors out there..unseen unknown..warriors.true to the earth and all beings there of.
truth and balance always

[Fairy Friend]

Indeed, insects are very adaptable. Prior to 2010 we didn't know they were under water caterpillars and now we have discovered I think as many as 12 species of them. Mostly Hawaii and some Africa I believe. They absorb oxygen through their skin. And never develop into a butterfly. Adaptation and evolution.

[Earthlink]

295 meters above sea level, at the town hall. Interesting. I'm going to try to map out all of our insect hatcheries over the next couple weeks, (it is monumentally important to have as complete a picture as we can) and then I'm getting on a plane to Beijing to begin the work of terra forming. It's a long story, but I was at the historical two week long Accord 21 in 1999, and the Chinese made up half of the group assembled for this. At the very least their government is stocked with electrical engineers and other trade related professionals, and unlike us, they have no lawyers economists or other non-science based professionals in their government. It's like Tyson said, when we look at our governments they are all lawyers and businessmen types, and none of the sciences are represented, not even remotely.

In any event, we will be using the government and private industries together to do this. Gauges do not lie: they are incapable, and in this very real arena of elements and composition of the atmosphere itself, those readings are staggeringly inadequate, and so far there has not been a reversal of the downward slide the O2 level continues to make daily. It's simply a matter of arithmetic to determine that an area of Oxygen that measures several hundred cubic kilometres is used daily by engines, and therefore removed from the stock pile of it that all life here requires.

Apple trees cleverly wrap their seeds in a tasty fruit, so that deer will eat them and then poop their seeds out somewhere else. Otherwise, all of the apple trees would have clusters of their own children growing around their base, and this would likely result in the parent tree being suffocated by its' own offspring.