was James Foley killed or was it a FF?

[Daphne]

This video shows the photoshopped impossibility of the James Foley execution. It's not too graphic, though he makes a disclaimer about the violence to satisfy Ytube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LR0JKGzQUD4&list=UUlZ50s4vLWoaCD5JNAIjCqg

[kemo]

Must we have this nonsense for every single thing that happens there will always be some nutcase that claims it's a FF which seems to me to be convenient cover for believing whatever you wanted to believe in the first place. OK someone claims its fake. So what? I'm sure there are plenty of real experts that could take this analysis apart. Not getting drawn in.

[Daozen]

I haven't seen the vid, but who knows what's staged any more? There are plenty of questions surrounding Sandy Hook.

You haven't made any arguments, you just called it nonsense and invoked 'experts', whoever they are.

[outerheaven]

Must we have this nonsense for every single thing that happens there will always be some nutcase that claims it's a FF which seems to me to be convenient cover for believing whatever you wanted to believe in the first place. OK someone claims its fake. So what? I'm sure there are plenty of real experts that could take this analysis apart. Not getting drawn in.

Let's see ... Maine, Lusitania, Pearl Harbor, Gulf of Tonkin, Operation Ajax, 9/11, Aurora theater shootings, Boston Marathon bombing, Sandy Hook, etc, etc, etc. These are just off the top of my head. I'm sure there are many more, and many we don't even know about.

Familiarize yourself with the concept of the false flag and trauma-based mind control. Read a historical document called Operation Northwoods (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods) to understand that the government really is willing to attack its own people as a pretense for war.

To answer your question, yes, I do believe we have to question everything we're being told, especially hyped media events that work to conveniently draw us into military campaigns.

The video in question might not be the most expertly done analysis, or its conclusion might be 100% wrong -- I don't know. But it's a starting point, at least, to verifying truth. And I would never try to shut someone down for questioning what they're being told. If everyone questioned what the authorities/media told us, they would have a much harder time pushing their agenda. Sorry this seems to annoy you?

[ulli]

Once it was established that the mainstream media lied about 9/11 it is safe to assume that nothing else they report can be trusted.

[BlueMuffin]

I watched an interesting documentary on HBO fairly recently, which I unfortunately don't remember the name right off the top my head, that accurately depicted to what extent the government goes to falsify events and present them are "terrorist" initiatives here in the US.

Essentially, they sent a CIA operative undercover to an extremely poverty stricken area in an attempt to gather up participants in a planned terrorist attack and then it was presented as though it was thwarted by the very alphabet agency that set it up in the first place. There was extremely lengthy footage detailing the fact and overwhelming evidence, but the defendants still lost the case.

If you watch how it was presented in the media it shows just how ridiculous the people who are in power really are, and will do anything to keep their endless threat of terrorism which is simply an excuse for their foreign agenda involvements and continually turning the US into a undercover fascist state until it no longer has to be undercover.

So YES, unfortunately everything that involves the US and it's allies that is depicted as some terrorist involvement, especially to supposedly justify Obama's decision for increased bombings in Iraq, is by default automatically assumed false and foul play. This is simply just how it is...

[Daphne]

The photo shows (fake) blood dripping down from from the top of his head, but very little if any on his neck where he was supposedly being cut. Sounds like Moulage kits blood packets squeezed by the (fake) executioner. I like this guys youtube channel. He also searches SS birth and death records and finds that there are no records of their birth or death.

[Atlas]

10 years ago: (May 22, 2004)


American businessman Nicholas Berg's body was found on May 8 near a Baghdad overpass; a video of his supposed decapitation death by knife appeared on an alleged al-Qaeda-linked website (www.al-ansar.biz) on May 11. But according to what both a leading surgical authority and a noted forensic death expert separately told Asia Times Online, the video depicting the decapitation appears to have been staged. (source (http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/FE22Ak03.html))

[Sidney]

I agree. The guys neck is gone. It should still be attached th his shoulders. Also, cutting of neck should not cause blood burst on head. Good catch IMO.

[linksplatinum]

jimstonefreelance.com has a keen analysis on this video, I suggest if you haven't seen that article to go check it out.

[steveofengland]

What could a possible agenda be here?
Problem reaction solution.
In the uk there is disgust about this. The fact it was a British citizen that carried out this atrocity.
The reaction is.
We must stop these people going out to fight in Syria.

The solution could be "we need to stop home grown terrorist movements, we'll confiscate their passports"

The problem would be " how can we take their passports and freedom of movement away?"

Just pop them in the right order now.

There are other PRS for this scenario too.

[Milneman]

I think it's ironic that this video, being discussed in the context of a false flag event, has been removed by youtube.

"This video has been removed as a violation of YouTube's policy against spam, scams, commercially deceptive content."

[truth4me]

Once it was established that the mainstream media lied about 9/11 it is safe to assume that nothing else they report can be trusted.

Mam,you said it all with that statement......You just can't trust the mainstream media. They will say what they are told to say and most people believe it's the gospel of Television.

[Kindred]

Everyone should keep in mind what William Casey, head of the CIA under Reagan, said in 1981...

(perhaps not an exact quote, but substantially what he said)

"We will know our programs are working, when everything the public believes, is a lie."

FWIW

In Unity, Peace and Love

[joeecho]

I wasn't going to watch this video because I was not up for the downer (if it was real). I am glad I did now because my gut feeling is that it is staged and fake.

What is the next staged event to up the shock factor? A choreographed group beheading? Who can make the most artistic beheading for you-tube?

On a separate note, cruise ships seem to be untouched by 'terrorist' so far. Is that coming soon?

[Olam]

I don't understand how anyone can watch a video like that, period.
Even if its to investigate, whatever the reason, I don't get it.
There are many ways to traumatize spirit and its been going on for thousands of years, its so very important to shield yourself from that kind of trauma...
I did put myself in his place for a few seconds and then stopped as it was just to much to bare thinking about how I would feel knowing someone was just about to do this to me.
You might think that you are desensitized from this violence with all that we see in movies and around, but your spirit knows better.
It knows the truth and it can be traumatized in one moment , then the effect of that can last thousands of years.

[joeecho]

I don't understand how anyone can watch a video like that, period.
Even if its to investigate, whatever the reason, I don't get it.
There are many ways to traumatize spirit and its been going on for thousands of years, its so very important to shield yourself from that kind of trauma...
I did put myself in his place for a few seconds and then stopped as it was just to much to bare thinking about how I would feel knowing someone was just about to do this to me.
You might think that you are desensitized from this violence with all that we see in movies and around, but your spirit knows better.
It knows the truth and it can be traumatized in one moment , then the effect of that can last thousands of years.

Sometimes it's really about 'putting things in perspective'. I don't mean in the cliché sort of way.

Just ONE example (never mind the Foley story): Generally speaking, if some entity said some gruesome thing happened and it happened just as they described it but it was a half truth or full lie... however.... you would discover the truth by seeing it for yourself, wouldn't you want to know that? The kicker being that the lie could affect and effect your life in the near future if it was allowed to continue.

I would but I get why others wouldn't and there are those that are depending on the later to do just that.

[Daphne]

I don't understand how anyone can watch a video like that, period.
Even if its to investigate, whatever the reason, I don't get it.
There are many ways to traumatize spirit and its been going on for thousands of years, its so very important to shield yourself from that kind of trauma...
I did put myself in his place for a few seconds and then stopped as it was just to much to bare thinking about how I would feel knowing someone was just about to do this to me.
You might think that you are desensitized from this violence with all that we see in movies and around, but your spirit knows better.
It knows the truth and it can be traumatized in one moment , then the effect of that can last thousands of years.


I see your point Olam and refused to watch the original video (still have not) for the same reason. When I saw the conclusion in the video description that the video was fake I knew that I could tolerate it because i trusted the video maker based on watching many of his videos. And it is so, so fake that it's almost embarrassing.

[jerry]

This reporter makes the best sense of it and the possible reasons it may have been a snow job. nD8jJrYXBQs
NOTE: This isn't the graphic video

[Observer1964]

Well I think Isis is in itself a big false flag so everything they do is false flag. Not that it makes the victims less dead.
https://gallery.mailchimp.com/507a134f1f975eaeabbd7d266/images/03c0d6fa-485f-4446-a5b8-98d28b38a77f.jpg

[cursichella1]

Must we have this nonsense for every single thing that happens there will always be some nutcase that claims it's a FF which seems to me to be convenient cover for believing whatever you wanted to believe in the first place. OK someone claims its fake. So what? I'm sure there are plenty of real experts that could take this analysis apart. Not getting drawn in.

Take it easy. Not ok to lash out like that...Posting it here for others to suss out is a good thing. The poster was just sharing...and I think is confused a bit on what a "false flag" is. (Not a "faked beheading", as this seems to imply.) If anything, that's what you should have pointed out...otherwise, just skip the fricking thread, ok?

Considering ISIS didn't exist until the U.S. created them, anything displayed by ISIS for our benefit is just part of the show and merits questioning. It's a great example of the depths these psychos will go to be convincing.

Such ridiculous drama playing out, MSM dutifully spewing forth identical scripts ("not if, but when!"), It is important to bring these things up and question all of it.

After our experience deconstructing 911, I'm guessing most of us tend to look for evidence of false flags or evidence of setups, aside from seeking truth, to give us ammunition when trying to convince others of what's going on. And for whatever the bad guys in our Govt have in store for us, you can bet it is going to be big as they are laying it on big time:


Chuck Hagel Goes Full Fearmonger: "ISIS Poses Greater Threat Than 9/11, Prepare For Everything"

US Secretary of Defense Chuck Hagel talks about the "imminent threat" ISIS poses to the US and the World.. .and pulls no punches in his total fearmongery..."ISIL poses a threat greater than 9/11. ISIL is as sophisticated and well funded as any group we have seen. They're beyond just a terrorist group. They marry ideology with a sophisticated strategic and tactical military prowess and they're tremendously well-funded. This is way beyond anything we have seen. We must prepare for everything. Get Ready!"
(Courtesy of Zero Hedge (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-08-21/chuck-hagel-goes-full-fearmonger-isis-poses-greater-threat-911-prepare-everything))

[Mike Gorman]

Must we have this nonsense for every single thing that happens there will always be some nutcase that claims it's a FF which seems to me to be convenient cover for believing whatever you wanted to believe in the first place. OK someone claims its fake. So what? I'm sure there are plenty of real experts that could take this analysis apart. Not getting drawn in.

Regardless of your sensibility being perturbed it is important to remain vigilant, we live in very tricky times and what you see is certainly not always what it seems.
The idea that this video was a staged event is not ridiculous - we are never shown the actual act of beheading, there is none of the usual crowd chanting Allah is Great that normally
accompanies these revolting acts of barbarism - so it is not implausible sensationalism to suggest it was a phony concocted for political reasons...I don't know, but we cannot afford to get all complacent
and dismissive.

[ulli]

I don't understand how anyone can watch a video like that, period.
Even if its to investigate, whatever the reason, I don't get it.
There are many ways to traumatize spirit and its been going on for thousands of years, its so very important to shield yourself from that kind of trauma...
I did put myself in his place for a few seconds and then stopped as it was just to much to bare thinking about how I would feel knowing someone was just about to do this to me.
You might think that you are desensitized from this violence with all that we see in movies and around, but your spirit knows better.
It knows the truth and it can be traumatized in one moment , then the effect of that can last thousands of years.

I watched it, knowing in advance I would not be horrified. If part of me still believed that the execution was real,
I would never have exposed myself to it, as I agree totally that such things have a negative effect on our innermost being.

Here is what I came away with afterwards...
a) slight amusement at the ridiculously bad show, in terms of moviemaking and acting.
b) reenforced belief that the PTB are dumber than most people think
c) the wish for this video to go viral as soon as possible

[Gardener]

Same imression Ulli - The video is gone, but I am so glad I watched it now. Tons of photoshop edit patches when analysed.

IS IS = $$

[Olam]

Same imression Ulli - The video is gone, but I am so glad I watched it now. Tons of photoshop edit patches when analysed.

IS IS = $$

Well, could it be real and then have some guy "false it up" after the fact?
I don't see why these terrorists would try to photoshop the thing.
If it was not real, they did not tell the victim.

[Daphne]

Must we have this nonsense for every single thing that happens there will always be some nutcase that claims it's a FF which seems to me to be convenient cover for believing whatever you wanted to believe in the first place. OK someone claims its fake. So what? I'm sure there are plenty of real experts that could take this analysis apart. Not getting drawn in.

Take it easy. Not ok to lash out like that...Posting it here for others to suss out is a good thing. The poster was just sharing...and I think is confused a bit on what a "false flag" is. (Not a "faked beheading", as this seems to imply.) If anything, that's what you should have pointed out...otherwise, just skip the fricking thread, ok?

Considering ISIS didn't exist until the U.S. created them, anything displayed by ISIS for our benefit is just part of the show and merits questioning. It's a great example of the depths these psychos will go to be convincing.

Such ridiculous drama playing out, MSM dutifully spewing forth identical scripts ("not if, but when!"), It is important to bring these things up and question all of it.

After our experience deconstructing 911, I'm guessing most of us tend to look for evidence of false flags or evidence of setups, aside from seeking truth, to give us ammunition when trying to convince others of what's going on. And for whatever the bad guys in our Govt have in store for us, you can bet it is going to be big as they are laying it on big time:


Chuck Hagel Goes Full Fearmonger: "ISIS Poses Greater Threat Than 9/11, Prepare For Everything"

US Secretary of Defense Chuck Hagel talks about the "imminent threat" ISIS poses to the US and the World.. .and pulls no punches in his total fearmongery..."ISIL poses a threat greater than 9/11. ISIL is as sophisticated and well funded as any group we have seen. They're beyond just a terrorist group. They marry ideology with a sophisticated strategic and tactical military prowess and they're tremendously well-funded. This is way beyond anything we have seen. We must prepare for everything. Get Ready!"
(Courtesy of Zero Hedge (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-08-21/chuck-hagel-goes-full-fearmonger-isis-poses-greater-threat-911-prepare-everything))

I don't think that I am confused to what a false flag is. I believe that no one was beheaded in this video. And the "terror" that it is intended to instill is the goal of a false flag, which then leads to paralysis and complacency in those who are still asleep and hypnotized by the Mainstream media. I have determined that one of my purposes in this life is to shout out and expose the lies and bull****. I mean, sometimes the Emperor really is wearing no clothes :-)

[watch mars]

This latest Islamic militant group (ISIS) has all the halmarks of a fabricated killing machine, set up and funded by the nefarious global establishment. They appeared literally out of nowhere almost overnight without any prior intelligence reports that such a group was in existence; with their pristine banners and shiny guns, joe public is expected to react in terror when they hear that many of these Jihadists come from western countries. The USA now states that ISIS are the biggest threat to America; Hook, line and sinker!

The complete rubbish that the mainstream has pumped out in the past few weeks about this group defies belief especially when they expect us to believe that they happened to gather mountains of weapons, ammunition and money like plucking it from a tree! David Icke is spot on with his analysis of this current attempt by the global cabal to accelerate their goal of rolling over the middle east. I expect another invasion of Iraq and this time going all the way to Damascus after the failed attempt to try and gather support for bombing Assad.

How do they get away with it?

[joeecho]

How do they get away with it?

To me they get away with it because of the monopoly in the mass media market. People are still believing that this is still a credible source for understanding what is going on in the world today.

I've heard that this outlet is losing market share but then the question is....will they morph/ hide under the guise of an independent news source? Will alternative news agencies sell out to the almighty 'dollar' or some other coercion? Vigilance will be the key going forward. A credible source today might not be so credible tomorrow.

Stay salty my friends!

http://www.saltybynature.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/photo-300x300.jpg

[Daphne]

here is the latest. James Foley is not the guy in the video at all.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AvOQrTUEBA&index=2&list=UUlZ50s4vLWoaCD5JNAIjCqg

[cursichella1]

I don't think that I am confused to what a false flag is. I believe that no one was beheaded in this video. And the "terror" that it is intended to instill is the goal of a false flag, which then leads to paralysis and complacency in those who are still asleep and hypnotized by the Mainstream media. I have determined that one of my purposes in this life is to shout out and expose the lies and bull****. I mean, sometimes the Emperor really is wearing no clothes :-)

Oiii...OK, as far as False Flags go, generally they are bigger, military events. This "beheading", fake or not fake, IMO is really more along the lines of fear porn/terrorism/propaganda, especially since it is pretty evident that there are probably 'larger' events on the horizon.

Definition: A False Flag (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_flag) describes covert military or paramilitary operations designed to deceive in such a way that the operations appear as though they are being carried out by other entities, groups or nations than those who actually planned and executed them.

[cursichella1]

here is the latest. James Foley is not the guy in the video at all.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AvOQrTUEBA&index=2&list=UUlZ50s4vLWoaCD5JNAIjCqg

There's software that can analyze the two voices...I'm surprised that hasn't been done yet...but then I believe there's also software that can record a sample of a person's voice, then morph that into statements that the were never said, with the same voice. (At least that's been claimed by some 911 truthers, was the case with the 9/11 phone calls.)

Comparing the two Foleys pictured, it kind of looks like the man pictured in the recent video (pre-prob-fake-beheading) has a broken nose bridge and some swelling, but then that can be done with make up as we witnessed in Sandy Hook...

But, he!!, the odds of him being kidnapped TWICE, especially after vowing to be especially careful next time? That's most troubling...

[Zaya]

The MSM is admitting that something is not right with the video, and that James was NOT beheaded while they were filming. It was staged. They are, however, saying that he was DEFINITELY beheaded. Just not during the actual take.

Source: http://www.news.com.au/world/london-hiphop-artist-abdelmajed-abdel-bary-key-suspect-in-hunt-for-killer-of-american-journalist-james-foley/story-fndir2ev-1227034541900


THE beheading of American journalist, James Foley, at the hands of ISIS militants shocked the world but forensic experts have revealed the video was probably staged, with the murder happening off camera.
The UK Times reported that an international forensic science company, which has worked for police forces across Britain, said there is no question Foley was beheaded but that camera trickery and post-production techniques look to have been used.
“I think it has been staged,” said one expert in visual forensics, after he was commissioned by The UK Times to examine the footage.
“My feeling is that the execution may have happened after the camera was stopped.”
Aymenn al-Tamimi, a fellow at the Middle East Forum think-tank, said over the years ISIS militants have improved the production quality of their videos.
The analysis by experts has highlighted a number of inconsistencies that could suggest that the beheading of Foley, which was seen on the video, was not his actual death.

More at the source above, including information on the hip-hop artist from Britain that they believe is the masked man in the video.

Seems like they are covering their tracks because they don't want people suspicious of the narrative, so by admitting that it was staged they can take some heat off of themselves. I don't know...

[RunningDeer]

James Foley Video a FAKE According to Experts
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Stu Seagall Strategic Operations Video Business Card
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[Milneman]

The best way to get people interested in you is to spark a reaction, any reaction, negative or positive.

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Remember when these worked, and when this was enough to catch our attention?


1. Propagandist must have access to intelligence concerning events and public opinion.

2. Propaganda must be planned and executed by only one authority.
a. It must issue all the propaganda directives.

b. It must explain propaganda directives to important officials and maintain their morale.

c. It must oversee other agencies' activities which have propaganda consequences

3. The propaganda consequences of an action must be considered in planning that action.

4. Propaganda must affect the enemy's policy and action.
a. By suppressing propagandistically desirable material which can provide the enemy with useful intelligence

b. By openly disseminating propaganda whose content or tone causes the enemy to draw the desired conclusions

c. By goading the enemy into revealing vital information about himself

d. By making no reference to a desired enemy activity when any reference would discredit that activity

5. Declassified, operational information must be available to implement a propaganda campaign

6. To be perceived, propaganda must evoke the interest of an audience and must be transmitted through an attention-getting communications medium.

7. Credibility alone must determine whether propaganda output should be true or false.

8. The purpose, content and effectiveness of enemy propaganda; the strength and effects of an expose; and the nature of current propaganda campaigns determine whether enemy propaganda should be ignored or refuted.

9. Credibility, intelligence, and the possible effects of communicating determine whether propaganda materials should be censored.

10. Material from enemy propaganda may be utilized in operations when it helps diminish that enemy's prestige or lends support to the propagandist's own objective.

11. Black rather than white propaganda may be employed when the latter is less credible or produces undesirable effects.

12. Propaganda may be facilitated by leaders with prestige.

13. Propaganda must be carefully timed.
a. The communication must reach the audience ahead of competing propaganda.

b. A propaganda campaign must begin at the optimum moment

c. A propaganda theme must be repeated, but not beyond some point of diminishing effectiveness

14. Propaganda must label events and people with distinctive phrases or slogans.
a. They must evoke desired responses which the audience previously possesses

b. They must be capable of being easily learned

c. They must be utilized again and again, but only in appropriate situations

d. They must be boomerang-proof

15. Propaganda to the home front must prevent the raising of false hopes which can be blasted by future events.

16. Propaganda to the home front must create an optimum anxiety level.
a. Propaganda must reinforce anxiety concerning the consequences of defeat

b. Propaganda must diminish anxiety (other than concerning the consequences of defeat) which is too high and which cannot be reduced by people themselves

17. Propaganda to the home front must diminish the impact of frustration.
a. Inevitable frustrations must be anticipated

b. Inevitable frustrations must be placed in perspective

18. Propaganda must facilitate the displacement of aggression by specifying the targets for hatred.

19. Propaganda cannot immediately affect strong counter-tendencies; instead it must offer some form of action or diversion, or both.

- Source: http://www.psywarrior.com/Goebbels.html Based upon Goebbels' Principles of Propaganda by Leonard W. Doob, published in Public Opinion and Propaganda; A Book of Readings edited for The Society for the Psychological Study of Social Issues.

[avid]

you are an expert in the mayhem of marketing;-) Wondrous.

[Atlas]

lol...

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https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/44908464/avalon/divers/p%20(7).jpg

http://beforeitsnews.com/contributor/upload/8435/images/ObamaGolfJamesFoley(1).jpg

http://patterico.com/files/2014/08/Screen-Shot-2014-08-22-at-7.50.02-AM.png

[Daphne]

yet more reasons the video is obviously a fake
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sHR3UOJC98?list=UUXJvAKcEJpWAOsPcOTGxMSg

[onawah]

100% FAKE: James Foley Beheading

From Uploader Xendrius:

"I noticed that the 'death' of Foley
made headlines on Swedish news,
and those good-for-nothing journalists
ACTUALLY BELIEVE THIS IS THE REAL
FOLEY, so I carefully analyzed the
footage, the interviews, and every
other piece of data, and concluded,
without any doubt, that the person
who is supposed to be beheaded, is
not James Foley.

Because they assume 'Hey, if the US
government says it's real, it's real.'

It seems that they are using the
beheading video, to have 'truther'
channels shut down. I have seen 2-3
channels shut down because of "breach
of community guidelines" for uploading
the full video. In other words, a trap.

Video (6 min):
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http://www.ForbiddenKnowledgeTV.com/page/26634.html

- Alexandra

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[outerheaven]

Another classic Foley siblings interview moment ...

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Notice that the picture frame falls to emphasize Couric's statement, "imagine the pain."

The picture frame falls -- perhaps symbolizing a broken house?

See the television brainwashing techniques at work, folks.

[Daphne]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqcaaE6aFX8

This is GREAT. The "SISTER" of James Foley, also was played by the crisis Actress who played the "CLASSMATE OF ADAM LANZA"
It couldn't be more obvious.

[Ahnung-quay]

An interview with Adam Lanza's classmate. Is this the same woman as the "sister" of James Foley? The voices somewhat match.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHiU2UTPt7E