Will the real James Foley please stand up

[Zionbrion]

NewsRescue

Analysts have declared that the allegedly beheaded James Foley is not the real James Foley.

In the Youtube video, they compared facial features and pointed out several differences.

they also suggested that James Foley is a CIA working under its “USAID” cover. James Foley has conveniently been kidnapped twice, first in Libya where his tale of kidnap helped trigger the NATO/US aggression that expelled Africa’s Gaddafi.



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Dahboo77s analysis
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[linksplatinum]

Dahboo77 is always on point, he doesn't miss any details

[Selene]

As much as I admire Dahboo’s fine work overall – and he is very good - in this case I must respectfully disagree on the evidence shown here.

• The executed Foley’s face shows not only a huge amount of weight gain and steroid/cortisone use, but of water retention or what I call “stress puff” that happens when body systems shut down under adrenal stress – exactly the sort of thing that might happen if you get captured, etc. This puffing can obscure a great deal of fine detail, but not the underlying musculature or bone structure. These still – to my eye – match up, puff notwithstanding.

• The ear folds/shapes, which are damned difficult to fake, are significantly the same on both persons/images. Ears are not affected by weight gain, stress, etc and are almost as unique as fingerprints. Focus on facial characteristics almost always ignores this crucial additional and unique identifier. In this case, unless the laws of the universe have been suspended, both images show the same unique ears.

Underneath those characteristics, it seems to me,

• The facial bone structure is the same,

• The orbicular area (the brow bone) and eyebrow growth pattern remains the same, even though eyebrow hair has been lost to stress in the later image. The characteristic muscle slope is the same.

• I also note that the mole on the (photo left) side of the nasiolabial area is actually in the same place on both in terms of the distance from the nasal terminus. The difference between the two images could be entirely accounted for by the swollen facial muscle tissue of the later image which could alter the expression of the fold.

• Also the later picture of the executed Foley is quite blurry. This makes moot such points as the missing “11” forehead crease and the lack of visible scar on the jaw. The later photo is simply undefined in these areas. Could go either way.

I’ve only spent the last 20 years studying facial bone and muscle structure to identify the sitters of Tudor portraits, so I’m still an amateur. But I have learned a few things along the way about what to look for.

And these IMO could still be the same person.

I’d say the case that these two images show the same person in very different states of health has not been disproven.

Yes, I think the whole Foley execution thing is a false flag and that he and Jihadi John (or whomever) are both CIA patsies for another “outrage that deserves nuclear revenge” scenario. But I think the same Foley guy is in fact dead here.

Regards,

Selene

[Tesseract]

Yes, the ears.. I think you are 100 % right Selene. I remember there were some trying to say that it was not really Gaddafi that was killed in Oct 2011, but the ears were all I needed to examine to know that the footage was of Gaddafi. I used to make stencil drawings and noticed how unique peoples ears were..

It's a taboo subject, for obvious reasons, but there are journalists working in foreign countries for the CIA etc. There is some speculation that this is why there have sometimes been daring missions to try and rescue them (and indeed, this appears to have happened with Foley). When someone says how can the CIA fail to get into somewhere when some journalist just got in there by their own means - well, they aren't failing at all, they're doing just that.

[Daphne]

I started a similar thread in conspiracy research.

This video I like because it shows how one James Foley doesn't move his upper lip at all while he talks, but the other in the execution video has a lot of lip movement. And voice quality is different.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sHR3UOJC98

[MorningFox]

Looks like the same person to me...

[thepainterdoug]

im struck by how much thicker the neck is in one from the other. the jaw line into the neck seems quite different . I'm not sure if this could be explained by weight gain.
why would you gain weight in captivity?

[Daphne]

Upper lip when speaking and voice match software would help

[Daphne]

im struck by how much thicker the neck is in one from the other. the jaw line into the neck seems quite different . I'm not sure if this could be explained by weight gain.
why would you gain weight in captivity?

In the video his neck looks athletic, and pumped- like Military. The interviewed JF looks like a runners build- slim and lean muscles. Don't believe it's the same guy at all.

[WhiteFeather]

Interesting. When i saw the original story in The Daily News Propaganda Newspaper here in NY, my spidey senses were tingling a bit. I smelt Bull-Shyte. Isn't it amazing how our media can dupe the sheeple.

[outerheaven]

First of all -- something that I have not seen discussed on PA is that the media did indeed run some damage control about this psyop, admitting that the video appears to be faked:

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Numerous MSM outlets reporting that "an expert" says the video looked fake, but ... (here's the kicker) ... James Foley definitely died off-camera!

In this video we see the media using NLP to reinforce this hoax:

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(Katie Couric says "it's hard for all of us to imagine the pain you've been going through," to Foley's siblings, and a picture frame leaps off the wall, crashing to the ground at the same instant she says "pain.")

There's no doubt in my mind that this is a psy-op. I guess we can get turned against each other, once more, arguing about whether or not it's the same person in the video based on a mole ... but it always leads us to the same place: nowhere.

Anybody know the way forward? ;)

[MorningFox]

From the above video:

"This proves without a doubt that these are indeed actors inside a studio set"

No, it doesn't. :der:

I'm by no means discounting a false flag but these videos are embarrassing.

[outerheaven]

From the above video:

"This proves without a doubt that these are indeed actors inside a studio set"

No, it doesn't. :der:

I'm by no means discounting a false flag but these videos are embarrassing.

I don't endorse the uploader's statements, and I agree those quoted claims are too sensational. I chose that video because it emphasized the picture falling -- perhaps I could have linked the unedited interview and given a time to skip to, but then I feared it wouldn't reach as many viewers.

Edit: And I chose the other video because it shows a host of MSM sources covering the "expert says video appears to be faked" story. Not sure what you're embarrassed about.

[Olam]

Dahboo77 is always on point, he doesn't miss any details

Wrong....
You would be surprised at what stress can do on a body. It is Foley on the clip, now did they kill him?, thats another story.
I go by his mouth and the tone of his voice which is unmistakable amidst his stress in the moment. Voice pitch will almost always get higher in moments of stress but his tone is there.

[Daphne]

Mouth and tone of voice give me the complete opposite sense! How interesting. I see it as a total fake through and through along with fake family members.

[MorningFox]

I don't endorse the uploader's statements, and I agree those quoted claims are too sensational. I chose that video because it emphasized the picture falling -- perhaps I could have linked the unedited interview and given a time to skip to, but then I feared it wouldn't reach as many viewers.

Edit: And I chose the other video because it shows a host of MSM sources covering the "expert says video appears to be faked" story. Not sure what you're embarrassed about.

I appreciate your contribution my friend, nothing against you. As I explained I find it embarrassing when they say things like 'this proves without a doubt'

A picture fell off the wall. :bowl:

[outerheaven]

Dahboo77 is always on point, he doesn't miss any details

Wrong....
You would be surprised at what stress can do on a body. It is Foley on the clip, now did they kill him?, thats another story.
I go by his mouth and the tone of his voice which is unmistakable amidst his stress in the moment. Voice pitch will almost always get higher in moments of stress but his tone is there.

Allow me to ask -- are you open to the possibility that it is not James Foley in the clip?

I will say this: I am open to both possibilities. It may be him, it may not be him. I don't know. I tend towards thinking it's not him -- but I don't know.

I will also say, I don't think it particularly matters. I think that, once again, we're getting caught up on nitpicking the tiniest of details instead of uniting on common ground.

Does it matter if that is Foley, if the beheading was indeed faked?

Even the MSM was forced to address the fakery of the video, as I posted earlier. Yet here we are, arguing amongst each other again, whether or not James Foley plays himself in the Admittedly Fake Beheading video. Meanwhile, we blow a great opportunity and don't take advantage of the momentum generated by the MSM being forced to admit they ran a fake video. An opportunity for truth slips away.

Amazing. Round and round we go again.

I'm not trying to attack you here: I honestly don't know the way forward. And I know these are issues we have to address when talking about this with "skeptics." These psy-ops have built-in idiosyncrasies, I think, to keep us going in circles, too. We need a breakthrough here.

[Olam]

Dahboo77 is always on point, he doesn't miss any details

Wrong....
You would be surprised at what stress can do on a body. It is Foley on the clip, now did they kill him?, thats another story.
I go by his mouth and the tone of his voice which is unmistakable amidst his stress in the moment. Voice pitch will almost always get higher in moments of stress but his tone is there.

Allow me to ask -- are you open to the possibility that it is not James Foley in the clip?

I will say this: I am open to both possibilities. It may be him, it may not be him. I don't know. I tend towards thinking it's not him -- but I don't know.

I will also say, I don't think it particularly matters. I think that, once again, we're getting caught up on nitpicking the tiniest of details instead of uniting on common ground.

Does it matter if that is Foley, if the beheading was indeed faked?

Even the MSM was forced to address the fakery of the video, as I posted earlier. Yet here we are, arguing amongst each other again, whether or not James Foley plays himself in the Admittedly Fake Beheading video. Meanwhile, we blow a great opportunity and don't take advantage of the momentum generated by the MSM being forced to admit they ran a fake video. An opportunity for truth slips away.

Amazing. Round and round we go again.

I'm not trying to attack you here: I honestly don't know the way forward. And I know these are issues we have to address when talking about this with "skeptics." These psy-ops have built-in idiosyncrasies, I think, to keep us going in circles, too. We need a breakthrough here.

I'm not set on anything really and I am open to much, my reply is just my opinion.
I would say I have a strong opinion on this one about this being James Foley.
I stated why, but its also a strong gut feeling which is difficult to explain.
Sometimes I think people use analytical observations too much and don't listen to spirit, gut feeling or whatever you call it.
I see how the OP analyzed the lines on the face and all that, but to me, the answers are there in front of me and its not just physical!
can't explain it otherwise....but hey, yes I am open to see more on this to really have a definite answer..

[Ahnung-quay]

This interview of the supposed siblings appeared to me to be eerily like the Sandy Hook videos. Why were both of these people slightly smiling when Katie Couric mentioned the pain they had been going through? Also, no tears or teary eyes.

In the interview of the "parents" comparison, the father is definitely not the same man. Why does he look all around with an air of inattention while his wife speaks to the interviewer? Normally would he not be paying attention to what she is saying as it should be an emotional situation for him. Again, there is no emotion. If my son had just been executed, I certainly don't think that I would be able to give an interview or a rational opinion. Both father and mother have different voices in the two videos.

These are actors.

[Atlas]

Someone posted: Could James Foley’s sister be the actress from Sandy Hook?

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http://2127news.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/sandyhook-and-foley.jpg
http://2127news.net/2014/08/james-foley-execution-was-staged-proof-that-we-are-being-lied-to-and-what-this-will-lead-to/

[Zaya]

Those women do look very similar/could be the same woman. However, why does he keep talking about the voices being the same and yet we didn't get to hear it? I am not saying I don't believe this because I am someone who knows in my gut that Sandy Hook was absolutely staged and that the beheading also was.

I am just wishing the evidence were a tad more compelling because it would be easier to wake people up if we had more than these three simple images to compare.

EDITED TO INCLUDE THE FOLLOWING:

Ok. Totally on board now. Listen to the voices of the actress in this video. The voice is a DEAD RINGER. Undeniably the same voice.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6wKO9p4NdE

[MorningFox]

The two girls look like different people to me, though similar they're are not the same person.

Also his brother is (to me) obviously his brother and not an actor, the facial similarities are glaring...

[Zaya]

Also, would like to add this video below only because it shows the alleged sister's facial movements very well. The reason I include it is this:

Watch the actresses mouth. She does this thing where she raises the left side of her mouth a lot (right side on screen, left on actual body). This is very consistent with the way Alex Israel spoke, which you can see in the video I posted above as well.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QwkpW3deEA

Alex Israel: (Note her mouth on "neighborhood events". I know it is blurry, but look closely)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdbfVQ_J5qc

[araucaria]

Yes, the ears.. I think you are 100 % right Selene. I remember there were some trying to say that it was not really Gaddafi that was killed in Oct 2011, but the ears were all I needed to examine to know that the footage was of Gaddafi. I used to make stencil drawings and noticed how unique peoples ears were..

Mr Spock has unique ears too - my point being that they are fake. It seems to me the ears would be the first thing to alter in order to turn a lookalike into the person.

If anything in this video strikes me as suspicious, it would be the confident delivery of the speech the guy has to make: uusual for a hostage in fear of his life, I'd have thought. But then, he doesn't seem to be much in fear of his life, even when the blade touches his throat. Strange.