Joan Rivers In A Medically Induced Coma

[DNA]

Joan Rivers in Medically Induced Coma After Going Into Cardiac Arrest (https://celebrity.yahoo.com/blogs/celeb-news/joan-rivers-stable-after-she-stops-breathing-during-routine-surgery-185116373.html)

This is suspiciously on the heels of her statement about Barack Obama being gay and it being a well known fact in Hollywood. As well as Michelle Obama being a transgender.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Et38_Ufv-Jw

[Carmody]

The quicker the initial strike of an enemy, the weaker their real position is.

[panopticon]

I believe that Netanyahu & the Israeli Security Cabinet (in particular Bennett) are blaming this on Hamas and the Palestinian Unity Government.

-- Pan

[sigma6]

That's what you get for exposing the truth about the US Crime Syndicate Government. Seems they like secret homosexuals running things, they just don't like to make it public... Thank you Joan Rivers for having the guts to speak what's on your mind, and sharing the truth about secret homosexuals in government, obviously there is more to it than him being your homosexual neighbour next door . I'm sure it goes way, way deeper. If the public finds out about that, what about the pedophilia scandals, and missing children... Bohemian Grove. Better keep hush hush that the US government is run by a homosexual and his transgender sweet heart... and their adopted kids... all pretending to be something they are not... Kansas is going bye bye...

[Rocky_Shorz]

I hit her pretty hard with truths of Israel on Twitter...

said if she was scooped from her home and tossed in an open air prison, she would be the #1 terrorist with tunnels reaching out to every mall...

didn't mean to send her into shock...


just looked back, it was July 25th (https://twitter.com/DRUDGE_REPORT/status/492696390468788224) after her rabid rant...

[Ellisa]

The woman is 80 and so there is a substantial risk in having an anaesthetic. She looks amazing but her heart and brain are old. I hope the operation was necessary because at her age having unnecessary surgery is never recommended.

I won't be mean about her, and I hope she recovers, but she has a sharp tongue and can be very hurtful.

[Cidersomerset]

I think it might have been time for her to leave this plane......

'Kharma recharge, in progress'.....


She likes to court controversy in her shock act and
an elderly Jewish woman can be quite outspoken,
which is fair enough in the right places. How much
is off the cuff is debatable, but her defence of
Israel is genuine & passionate if not always factual.




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Joan Rivers Epic Interview for Channel 10 Israel

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paraphrasing...

" We took a country of nothing and made it into something , a Eden
Israel is so honourable and we are dealing with Terrorists "

Conveniently forgetting to mention they stole the land from
the previous owner , and several former terrorists have been
prime minister of Israel..............

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Joan Rivers: Michelle Obama is transgender

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Published on 5 Jul 2014


Comedienne Joan Rivers jokes to a photographer that President
Obama is gay and Michelle Obama is transgender.
More from CNN at http://www.cnn.com/

[Limor Wolf]

Very sad to hear. Joan Rivers, like the many other Holywood characters is under heavy mind control and influence and is being 'puppeted' to say what someone else would like her to say. Her real human essence which she was born with was long altered and is now out of touch. Please read Brice Taylor's book - 'Thank you for the memories' to get more up to date with what is going on around us, with the many celebrities and in general with the great majority of position holders on our planet.

It is not so difficult to make someone say what one wants them to say with all the technologies and the hypnosis and mind control programs going on. I wouldn't at this point relate to Joan Rivers as someone who has any original thought to express or with anything inteligent and discretionary to say.

These souls were captured, and captured to a great depth. This shows in a microcosm what we are dealing with and what type of grip we are actually fighting to be released from. This is not an exaggeration, not even in one word in this post.

Any tackling with regards to what she or any other public figure who for some reason people consider their reflections and musings to be of importance, needs to take this subject of mind control and the system behinds it into consideration (even though it's deterrent and better be approached slowly and delicately). Then apply compassion, love and understanding for these souls who many times didn't have a say on this, as well as for ourselves and for our society.

I do feel when reading some of the posts above that we will need to wake up to some quite unpleasent truthes in the near future where we will be required to make a new assessment on the ways that human life can be intervened with, digest it, learn how to recognise it, apply compassion and healing and see what we can do from there on. Hopefully Mrs, Rivers will be fine and well.

Much Love and blessings,

Limor

[Rocky_Shorz]

I believe that Netanyahu & the Israeli Security Cabinet (in particular Bennett) are blaming this on Hamas and the Palestinian Unity Government.

-- Pan

it is sad listening to her understanding, hearing the lies she's been told her whole life

she takes full ownership of Israel in the way she talks, not healthy...

a vocal cord surgery, stopped breathing and had a heart attack?


maybe when she wakes up, her eyes will open wide as she says...

I met Allah and he's pissed...

[Flash]

She compares dead palestinians children with dead poppies. Reaaaally??

And she always say WE, while talking of Israel, therefore she is not American???? but Israeli??? (I know she is Jewish)

Interesting, it describes exactly the thinking of the Jewish international population - no history whatsoever taken into account. no history on why the rocket are landing in Israel. Just talking about nose fixing lollllllllllll in order to have peace - not sure that Rihanna is quite stupid as Joan Rivers said, maybe they Worth each other then.

I do think Israelis made a wonderful job with the land they were given and with the other land they forcefully took. The problem is putting a people up for starvation in such a small environment surrounded with cement walls and military check point, with almost no land left to cultivate and water to drink, what is left to do?

[DNA]

I learned a lot from this whole Obamma thing from MichaelV's thread here. What Obamma called his wife has people talking. (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?73420-What-Obama-Called-His-Wife-Has-Many-People-Talking)

I'll be honest. I thought the whole premise of the thread was distasteful, and I found myself getting agitated and preparing to post a negative response to the thread without checking the links that were provided. I paused and checked the links and there was some really crazy information there. First and foremost was the whole deal with Obamma's church parish, accusations that three of his homosexual lovers were killed within sixty days of one another in December of 2007, right as his campaign was generating a buzz.

Two members of Obama's church who were suspected gay lovers of Obamma killed execution style within six weeks of one another in November and December of 2007, right before Obama's campaign really took off. (http://gopthedailydose.com/2013/05/26/mom-of-murdered-obama-gay-lover-speaks-up/)

[Clarity]

[/QUOTE]Please read Brice Taylor's book - 'Thank you for the memories' to get more up to date with what is going on around us, with the many celebrities and in general with the great majority of position holders on our planet.[/QUOTE]

Thanks Limor I'll check that out.

[araucaria]

Just supposing for a moment that someone has been interfering with her health, if she has being doing two things as different as outing Obama and defending the Israeli government, no prizes for guessing which of the two she was being punished for.

If this was done, then, apart from confirming the Obama story, it also means that people must have reached the point where they no longer dismiss it on the basis of the other business. Perhaps they are seeing the difference between uninformed opinion relaying disinfo, and real info, albeit secondhand, i.e. corroboratory evidence falling short of concrete proof but referring them to other witnesses.

If it was not done and old age has simply kicked in, then nothing whatsoever is changed in the above analysis. People are wising up to alternative versions to every story and tending to go with the alternative as a default position, even though in some (many?) cases, this is mistaken. No matter: we have reached the watershed stage where, for too many folks, plausible deniability has been turned into its opposite: plausible undeniability.

[Zaya]

When I heard this story yesterday, I immediately remembered her comments on Obama and wondered...

I did not know about the stuff she was spewing about gaza and all that, so that can't have helped her case either if someone was after her. This would be a perfect way to silently execute her because it is not shocking when an old person (81) goes into surgery and doesn't come out. Most people wouldn't even think twice or question it at all. I am suspicious, but open to the idea that it really could have been accidental as well.


I'll be honest. I thought the whole premise of the thread was distasteful, and I found myself getting agitated and preparing to post a negative response to the thread without checking the links that were provided. I paused and checked the links and there was some really crazy information there. First and foremost was the whole deal with Obamma's church parish, accusations that three of his homosexual lovers were killed within sixty days of one another in December of 2007, right as his campaign was generating a buzz.


Yea, unfortunately, though there is compelling evidence that something in the water a'int clean (so to speak) with Obama and the rumors of homosexuality -- especially in relation to his old church -- the topic was muddled with extremist and insensitive discussion about it. It is definitely a topic worth respectfully researching and debating, though.

Joan Rivers could definitely be receiving punishment for her admissions. Very interesting timing, n'est pas?

[sigma6]

I learned a lot from this whole Obamma thing from Jovian's thread here. What Obamma called his wife has people talking. (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?73420-What-Obama-Called-His-Wife-Has-Many-People-Talking)

I'll be honest. I thought the whole premise of the thread was distasteful, and I found myself getting agitated and preparing to post a negative response to the thread without checking the links that were provided. I paused and checked the links and there was some really crazy information there. First and foremost was the whole deal with Obamma's church parish, accusations that three of his homosexual lovers were killed within sixty days of one another in December of 2007, right as his campaign was generating a buzz.

Two members of Obama's church who were suspected gay lovers of Obamma killed execution style within six weeks of one another in November and December of 2007, right before Obama's campaign really took off. (http://gopthedailydose.com/2013/05/26/mom-of-murdered-obama-gay-lover-speaks-up/)

agreed... killing off older people is a snap... or I should say old age = plausible deniability = no liability...

[Limor Wolf]

Originally posted by Clarity:
Originally posted by Limor: Please read Brice Taylor's book - 'Thank you for the memories' to get more up to date with what is going on around us, with the many celebrities and in general with the great majority of position holders on our planet.

Thanks Limor I'll check that out.

Hi Clarity, Despite my previous recommendation, there are some quite good reasons as to why not read the book, and a serious caveat is in order. Do not read if you are not interested in going in depth into the rabbit hole when it comes to mind control programms in the US, Do not read if you have difficulty to deal with nasty and negative matters, Do not read if you suspect that there is anything in your own life that may be tangent to this, please seek help and assistance before. Do not read if you find difficulty to encounter detailed descriptions of sex, degradation and violence .Do not read if you think that these things are simply matters of hallucination (then it may be wise to do some research on other evidence beforehand, less radical in it's substance)

Do read if you are a bona fide truth seeker and you are of sound heart and mind at this time, and ready to use discernement while staying open minded.

You will not fully believe Susan Ford's (Bryce Taylor) story anyway, at least for the first time you will read it. But later, with other simliar stories (such as Cathy O'brien and others) and more verification, something will be build to reassure you that this is indeed going on and is a lot wider than we commonly think. Preper to be alarmed. Be nice to yourself during the reading.

That said, here is the book in PDF-

'Thank's for the memories', the truth sets me free - By Bryce Taylor (http://files.meetup.com/562554/Brice%20Taylor%20-%20Thanks%20for%20the%20memories.pdf)

All the best,

Limor

[Sidney]

My opinion, is this is a message to future potential outspokens. Keep your mouth shut, or else. Timing speaks,IMO.

[Limor Wolf]

I would say that Joan Rivers was being used for the sake of controversy, to pour a little fuel to the fire and feed the usual debate and interest with regards to the Palastenian-Israeli sides. They like to pull this in many areas now, every 'slip of the toungue' of a known public figure is well orchastrated, knowing that there will always be an audience in the mainstream/alternative media that will be more than willing to chew this bone.

Here is a segment from above mentioned Bryce Taylor's book -


"once overheard Henry (Kissinger) say that he would give the public what they wanted and demanded - celebrities and fanfare - since that was all they were capable of understanding anyway. He said most of the private sector were totally ignorant of governmental matters and that, since they didn't avail themselves to knowledge of the way their country was run, it was evident that they really wanted and needed for "those in the know" to take charge and run things. He said that since he and other leaders were interested and capable, they would do the job, making the decisions and seeing to it that things ran smoothly.

Hollywood celebrities are constantly tied back into the White House to add flair and drama, and to bring in covert funds, but most importantly to add diversion to keep the American public focused in whatever direction the controlers want, instead of having the public focused on what is really going on behind the scenes."

Ever wondered why American celebrities are connected and communicating with the White House?

It is all under the same club. Nothing nowdays runs by chance


It might be a good time to embrace what's true and authentic, what is genuine and for real in our life and let go of the 'sides' and conflicts and fake facdes and illusions that are so abundantly offered to us.

Much Love,

Limor

[karelia]

The way I see it is that she was breaking through the programming, which, in the programmers' eyes, makes her useless because once they break through that, it happens more and more, turning them from an asset into a burden...

The extent of mind control amongst celebrities is absolutely mind boggling. Even most of those who consider themselves aware and awake cannot believe most of it. The deception goes so deep, and on so many levels, there is probably nobody walking the planet who has the complete picture...

[DNA]

The way I see it is that she was breaking through the programming, which, in the programmers' eyes, makes her useless because once they break through that, it happens more and more, turning them from an asset into a burden...
.

Hey I hate to split hairs. So when I start off with something like this, I'm saying I agree with 90% of what you and Limor are saying.
I've never read "Thanks for the Memories", the book Limor is talking about. It sounds like something that would be very informative. But I have gone down the whole MK ULTRA mind control stuff with Cathy O'Brien. And though I can see the mind control thing taking place in the newer celebrities big time. I stop short of saying all celebrities have had this conditioning. And I say that much more for the old school celebrities like Joan Rivers. According to Cathy O'Brien, the MKULTRA stuff begins when you are a very young child. So in Joan Rivers case, we are talking 70+ years ago. I just don't believe they had this stuff on lock to the point they do now 70+ years ago.
I think Rivers is a case of, she just let something slip due to a long day and she was tired and fatigued.

[ghostrider]

The real reason the original sin holds back humanity ... one has to reach 80-100 years old to find real courage , and speak the truth not giving a rats behind what others think ...

[Limor Wolf]

The way I see it is that she was breaking through the programming, which, in the programmers' eyes, makes her useless because once they break through that, it happens more and more, turning them from an asset into a burden...
.

Hey I hate to split hairs. So when I start off with something like this, I'm saying I agree with 90% of what you and Limor are saying.
I've never read "Thanks for the Memories", the book Limor is talking about. It sounds like something that would be very informative. But I have gone down the whole MK ULTRA mind control stuff with Cathy O'Brien. And though I can see the mind control thing taking place in the newer celebrities big time. I stop short of saying all celebrities have had this conditioning. And I say that much more for the old school celebrities like Joan Rivers. According to Cathy O'Brien, the MKULTRA stuff begins when you are a very young child. So in Joan Rivers case, we are talking 70+ years ago. I just don't believe they had this stuff on lock to the point they do now 70+ years ago.
I think Rivers is a case of, she just let something slip due to a long day and she was tired and fatigued.


Hey Karelia, Breaking through the programming is having signs, it seems to me from the latest interviews above and the occasional 'slip of the tongue', that Joan Rivers is fulfilling her programming very well. This is really sad and difficult issue to delve into, most of us are very sensitive souls and it's not so easy to take a look, but there is this world 'phenomena' around us, and this 'method of treatment' actually exists to a larger degree than we can imagine at this point of time. I salute those who are willing to take a look.

DNA- 'Thanks for the memories' is a story told from a one woman's point of view after her memories were recoverd. It can be seen as an acurrate autobiography or as an hallucination, or anything in between. A continued research is revealing the truth and verifying at least the general details.

MKultra experiments were given to the Nazis in the 30's, and they certainly rolled the ball from there, and continued from the known Mengele experiments (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/esp_sociopol_mindcon02.htm)down through the 'Paper clip' project to the epitom of the current attempts to control the human mind and behaviour.

If you remember Shirly Temple Black (name refers to a masonic coven), she was one of the first child actresses under this project, but there were many other children being used at this time. Joan Rivers is five years younger than her

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?40941-Horus-Ra-as-the-Archontic-Alien-Parasite-A-follow-up-interview-with-Maarit&p=839935&viewfull=1#post839935

I hope this post does not cause too much discomfort to anyone reading it


Blessings ~

Limor

[DNA]

If you remember Shirly Temple Black (name refers to a masonic coven), she was one of the first child actresses under this project, but there were many other children being used at this time. Joan Rivers is ten years younger than her

Black is her married name she took when she married in 1950. So I don't know if I would really read anything into that.


You are correct, MKULTRA from what has been leaked seems to have started in Nazi Germany, and made it's way here in project paper clip, predominatly in the intelligence portion of the Nazis who were nationalized here and incorporated into the CIA.

So we are talking 1945-1948? Something like that. Shirley Temple was born 1928, basically twenty years before the nationalization of the Nazis from project Paper Clip. Joan Rivers was born 1933. She would have been 12-15. Still kind of old for the MKULTRA stuff from what I understand.

Again, I think the MKULTRA stuff is real. But I do not think it has been universally applied to every hollywood actor since 1945.

[Limor Wolf]

DNA, as you will be able to see from the book (if you chose to read it) and from other simliar sources, that marriges are orchastrated for those who are under the projects, nothing is left by chance.

Many of the experiments were made in the 30's and 40's - such as the Philadelpia experiment, before WWII has began. That should provide some food for thought..

For your bottom line conclusion I say - fair enough. As I wrote in my first post on this thread-

"I do feel when reading some of the posts above that we will need to wake up to some quite unpleasent truthes in the near future where we will be required to make a new assessment on the ways that human life can be intervened with, digest it, learn how to recognise it, apply compassion and healing and see what we can do from there on. Hopefully Mrs, Rivers will be fine and well."

However, I will certainly not dare to mention the ET's and their relations to all of this, not yet anyway.


All the best ~

Limor

[DNA]

Hi Limor, I"m not not in any way trying to antagonize you. I'm only offering a less extreme version of what you are talking about.
You seem a little agitated that I do not agree 100% with what you are saying, I'm only offering a friendly exchange on the matter.

I think the point where we disagree a little on this is in how much power we think these folks have. I'm stopping short of saying these folks are all powerful and are capable of influencing things to such an extreme measure.
Shirley Temple Black married a retired Navy guy who started a series of fisheries raising Oysters and Salmon in California.

If you can tell me how and why Shirley Temple's husband, Charles Alden Black has some kind of connection to all of this then feel free. But I just researched the guy, and nothing really popped off. Are you saying that the powers that be chose this guy and made Shirley Temple marry him just so her last name would be Black?

This seems a little extreme for me, I mean just so her name would be Black.

I understand the Philadelphia experiment was a result of Tesla's work. But this isn't really a Nazi thing? Right?


You can do the ET thing if you want. Just make me understand the connection.

For instance, Billy Meier states that a negative group of ET's called the Befath were influencing Hitler before and during WWII. Now we could also state that these same negative ET's were influencing folks in the United States. Tesla stated he was in communication with folks he believed to be Martians, but it could have been these same negative ET's.
Stewart Swerdlow states that it was in fact negative ET's in communication with Tesla, and the result of the Philadelphia experiment was to rip open a dimensional hole that allowed negative ET's into our dimension.

Now I'm not saying that what I just stated is the case. But I've opened up some thought for debate, and given my sources while doing so.

You can feel free to open a dialogue that centers on ET's and their involvement. I would be more than happy to participate.

[Limor Wolf]

Hi Limor, I"m not not in any way trying to antagonize you. I'm only offering a less extreme version of what you are talking about.
You seem a little agitated that I do not agree 100% with what you are saying, I'm only offering a friendly exchange on the matter.

I think the point where we disagree a little on this is in how much power we think these folks have. I'm stopping short of saying these folks are all powerful and are capable of influencing things to such an extreme measure.
Shirley Temple Black married a retired Navy guy who started a series of fisheries raising Oysters and Salmon in California.

If you can tell me how and why Shirley Temple's husband, Charles Alden Black has some kind of connection to all of this then feel free. But I just researched the guy, and nothing really popped off. Are you saying that the powers that be chose this guy and made Shirley Temple marry him just so her last name would be Black?

This seems a little extreme for me, I mean just so her name would be Black.

I understand the Philadelphia experiment was a result of Tesla's work. But this isn't really a Nazi thing? Right?


You can do the ET thing if you want. Just make me understand the connection.

For instance, Billy Meier states that a negative group of ET's called the Befath were influencing Hitler before and during WWII. Now we could also state that these same negative ET's were influencing folks in the United States. Tesla stated he was in communication with folks he believed to be Martians, but it could have been these same negative ET's.
Stewart Swerdlow states that it was in fact negative ET's in communication with Tesla, and the result of the Philadelphia experiment was to rip open a dimensional hole that allowed negative ET's into our dimension.

Now I'm not saying that what I just stated is the case. But I've opened up some thought for debate, and given my sources while doing so.

You can feel free to open a dialogue that centers on ET's and their involvement. I would be more than happy to participate.

Hi DNA, I am sorry, I didn't mean to sound agitated, I guess you can say I am a bit 'loaded' but do very much appreciate and respect your moderate stance and vast curiosity. In the last two years or so, it became more and more apparent to me (and in no way am I alone) that we are indeed living in a certain 'extreme version' of a life (depends on perspective) of what can be called - a Matrix.

Our reality as we see it with our eyes, is covering a great facade specifically build and modified for the sake of outside control. It goes to the extent of 'behaviours' of countries, of leaders, of functionaries and of ordinary citizens. when for example people ask the Israelis or the Palestinians to 'wake up' and to protest to what is going on, they don't (and, understandbly so, can't) take into consideration the measure and depth of mind control in that society, not only as a social programming but also at the individual level in some quite vast numbers. Some countries are under such specific experimentaion, or more accurately - an agenda.

These folks, as we call them here, are seemingly 'all powerful and are capable to influence things' only because we are not consciously aware to this and can't detect it. And they are terrified that we may find out.

Again, in Taylor's book you can read how it is possible to arrange a marriage, a work place, life incidents, other type of relationship etc. The name Black is just an indication to the masonic - Illuminati connection, as in stamping. The match is almost always done between two who are under the same 'inspection'.

This might not be the right thread to continue with these quite undigestible subjects :) which in itself needs proof that I can't provide right now and maybe never will, and it might be up to the individual's own experience to be able to view our world and it's machinations as what it really is.
Then maybe some solutions can be found and applied, as expanded consciousness always contributes to good choices and healing.

[observer]

The fact of the matter is, and in stark contrast to the "sensitivity" of many of the members, this mind manipulation of the Masses has been going-on since the Dawn of Man through the process of Electromagnetic Telepathic Thought Implants. The MKULTRA Business did not start with the Nazis. It started at the moment of Human Creation by those hyperdimensional entities that manipulated Man into existence for their nefarious agenda. The Nazis were simply coached with the technical aspects of the process.

Only through a life-long study of the occult can one come to such conclusions. This is the epiphany Ms. Rivers is now experiencing. Her celebrity is what's causing her the problems she is experiencing.

RE: The question of if Ms. Rivers is a product of some mind control program, most definitely - We All Are....

[Nasu]

Great thread and thoughts and insights. I have a small personal story I would like to share, I will try to keep it short, this thread reminded me of it. In my mind at least things are falling into place....

Many moons ago I had a friend who had a gift of foresight, he would use his gift to bet on the horses! He did seem to win much more than the usual crowd and was a minor celebrity when we went into certain bars.. But he was definitely not infalable.. Anyway one day he offered an unusual and unlikely vision of the future....

He said that prince Charles would never be king and that Arnold swatzeneger would be presedent of the US... This was back in the eighties and seemed far from likely. Charly and die we're having kids and seemed like the perfect couple, Arny on the other hand was romping about in the likes of movies like "commando" and such... The whole notion seemed preposterous..

So all this time later, skirting over the princes slow demise, we see that the campaign to change the constitution of America so that Arny could become presedent started over five years ago. The tipping point could very well be the Obama presidency, which superficiously from outside of America looks good, finally a moderate liberal, world peace prize holding, articulate African American!

But under the surface we have a lot of poorly hidden bread crumbs leading to what exactly? A war hungry, drone crazy, executive ordering, two term president, oh yea it turns out he's from Kenya! 

All the other crumbs about his young life, his teens, his time in Chicago, his friends and his lovers both past and present, all add up to what???

In my estimation it all ads up to a change in the US constitution, under the pretext of horror and disgust of the evidence, so that non US born contenders may take the highest office.. IMHO...

So this plays into lemors thoughts, if the future is known, can it be manipulated and if so, by whom and to what ends.... 

Just a little food for thought or tinder for the flames.....x..... N

[DNA]

So this plays into lemors thoughts, if the future is known, can it be manipulated and if so, by whom and to what ends....

Just a little food for thought or tinder for the flames.....x..... N

Andrew Basiago claims to have worked for a secret time travel program called project pegasus.
His stories are compelling. Andrew Basiago's Home Page (http://www.projectpegasus.net)

[araucaria]

Great thread and thoughts and insights. I have a small personal story I would like to share, I will try to keep it short, this thread reminded me of it. In my mind at least things are falling into place....

Many moons ago I had a friend who had a gift of foresight, he would use his gift to bet on the horses! He did seem to win much more than the usual crowd and was a minor celebrity when we went into certain bars.. But he was definitely not infalable.. Anyway one day he offered an unusual and unlikely vision of the future....

He said that prince Charles would never be king and that Arnold swatzeneger would be presedent of the US... This was back in the eighties and seemed far from likely. Charly and die we're having kids and seemed like the perfect couple, Arny on the other hand was romping about in the likes of movies like "commando" and such... The whole notion seemed preposterous..

So all this time later, skirting over the princes slow demise, we see that the campaign to change the constitution of America so that Arny could become presedent started over five years ago. The tipping point could very well be the Obama presidency, which superficiously from outside of America looks good, finally a moderate liberal, world peace prize holding, articulate African American!

But under the surface we have a lot of poorly hidden bread crumbs leading to what exactly? A war hungry, drone crazy, executive ordering, two term president, oh yea it turns out he's from Kenya!

All the other crumbs about his young life, his teens, his time in Chicago, his friends and his lovers both past and present, all add up to what???

In my estimation it all ads up to a change in the US constitution, under the pretext of horror and disgust of the evidence, so that non US born contenders may take the highest office.. IMHO...

So this plays into lemors thoughts, if the future is known, can it be manipulated and if so, by whom and to what ends....

Just a little food for thought or tinder for the flames.....x..... N
The Charles/Arnie business may be a simple case of telepathy. Meaning that your friend was tuning in to what was being planned at the time, with no need to look into the future. There is a lot of stuff in the present that tells us about the future, if we can only see it and analyze it correctly - like weather forecasting. If you come to my house next week, I can tell you now that you will come to a cemetery, then a big church, then a horse etc. So you have premises that lead to conclusions (weather patterns), and you have reurrent behaviours (like car journeys), and you have events at the planning stage.

Similarly horse-racing is predictive. You have tipsters giving advice publicly, and they rely on 'form' by following jockeys and owners and the horses themselves to know who is likely to win. Lots of brains to pick for a handy telepath. And of course, they never tell you how they do it.

And of course it might be something different altogether.

[Omni]

....the MKULTRA stuff begins when you are a very young child.
For totally manufactured celebrities it does(AKA Britney Spears etc). That doesn't stop them from mind controlling anyone who is old. The technology doesn't require a long time of programming to be useful. I agree with you that Joan probably wasn't having MK in the 30s. But in the now it is practically a given. They mind control nobodies who are no threat and are insignificant. So it's a given they mind control people who have heavy influence on society(like Lady Gaga, who has something like 1% of the world following her twitter account. lol)...

[sigma6]

I think Rivers is a case of, she just let something slip due to a long day and she was tired and fatigued.

I think that is exactly it, it is difficult to live a dual life 24/7, heck she is 80 years old! And the way she tried to cover it (instead of properly denying it...) was like "It is so obvious! why can't we give the little plebbies (that's us sheeple) this one little tidbit? what's it going to hurt them? heck if half of them don't already know!"

She was, in a sense railing against the sheer hypocrisy of living in a pro gay, pro politically correct, pro free speech liberal... but we have to lie about our highly esteemed and honourable homosexual president being gay? Do you think maybe she was having a moment of existential disconnect there?

Just like the secret of FBI's Hoover being (well a 'hoover' :D ) I think the PTB like to play these little games with the public... We weren't supposed to find out he was gay until 10-20 years from now... Someone just ruined their programming delivery.

Poor dear, I wonder what they did to her in the hospital, that necessitated an "induced coma"? She certainly looked and behaved pretty healthy to me. But I'm afraid she is not coming back.

[sigma6]

Joan Rivers dead in New York at 81, says daughter
http://www.cbc.ca/news/arts/joan-rivers-dead-in-new-york-at-81-says-daughter-1.2755965


Move along folks, no conspiracy here... any correlations must be purely coincidental... :rolleyes: ...just because she was perfectly healthy before she walked into that hospital, has nothing to do with the fact that she publicly outed Obama and his boyfriend as homosexual and transgender... along with a whole string of other people (also now dead) who just happen to have intimate knowledge of his secret hidden HOMO sexuality...

And I am sure with a corporate president like that we are going to make great headway in the world in the department of human trafficking of prostitutes, government participation and funding of pedophile rings and missing persons... oh yeah... I'm sure he is going to get right on that...

[DNA]

RIP Joan Rivers

[DNA]

Joan Rivers’ Air Supply Cut Off From Unexpected Throat Biopsy (Report) (https://tv.yahoo.com/news/joan-rivers-air-supply-cut-off-unexpected-throat-022500055.html)

So they are now stating that Joan Rivers died of a impromptu unplanned biopsy on her vocal cords.
Apparently Joan River's had only signed up for an endoscopy.

So think about this.
Joan River's died from her vocal cords.

Does anyone think this is chance?
Or does it seem like a freaking message?

It reads loud and clear if you ask me.
Joan River's vocal cords got her killed.

Do you suppose the folks in Hollywood are understanding this message and seeing first hand the consequences if they don't exercise control over their own vocal cords?

[Zaya]

I was just coming here to post this. This makes the situation incredibly more fishy than it already was in my mind.

Joan did not even opt for the surgery that got her killed? This is bad.

Even worse, supposedly they are not supposed to be doing that surgery in those facilities. Definitely fishy that they would perform a biopsy without any consent.

[DNA]

So Joan Rivers had no memorial at the Oscars? The Oscars say their time constraint only allows them time to honor the 25-30 most important folks who have died in the last year, and yet Joan Rivers didn't make the cut. Listen to this Hollywood writer try to explain it. My guess is there is a message being sent to the folks in Hollywood. We can snuff you out, tarnish your legacy and even reduce your legend to a mere whisper of what you though it would be.



Why Joan Rivers Was Left Out Of The Oscars In Memoriam Montage (http://www.refinery29.com/2015/02/82707/joan-rivers-in-memoriam-oscars)
There's always some chatter after the In Memoriam reel is presented at the Oscars. After many viewers questioned the Academy's omission of Cory Monteith, James Avery, and Tom Clancy in 2014, The Hollywood Reporter noted that the time allotted only allows for 25 to 30 people to be remembered. Those 25 to 30 people need to have made a significant contribution to the world of film, which means that people who make the reel had to loom large in Hollywood.

This year, Joan Rivers wasn't included in the montage, causing many fans to take umbrage. Joan Rivers was, of course, a singular talent whose impact and influence was felt in every part of the entertainment world. While Rivers played a major role in turning the Oscars red carpet into the EVENT it is today; however, she wasn't that well known for her more quantifiable contributions to cinema.

Yes, she had small roles in films like Shrek 2 and Iron Man 3, but most of Rivers' film work involved playing herself. Rivers also wrote and directed a movie called Rabbit Test, which marked Billy Crystal's acting debut, but that was the extent of her foray into feature-length films.

While it does feel unjust that we weren't given one last chance to remember the magic of Joan Rivers, please know that this wasn't a major (or even an intentional) snub on the Academy's part. We'll just leave this spot-on tweet from Billy Eichner here on our way out, though.