Scotland Decides on 18th Sept, Independence or not.

[Billy]

The debates as to whether Scotland stays with Westminster or decides to go independent, is hotting up here in the UK. 20 days to go before the referendum. I think i am far to passionate about this to have a neutral stance. I was hoping someone more neutral would have created a thread on this topic. But with such a short time before the day of decision, An important decision that could have massive ripple effects. I felt it was time for a more world wide opinion.

My stance is, I believe Scotland can do this and should go for it.

First i would like to say. I love all my English, Welsh and Irish neighbours. I have many English friends who are resident here in Scotland. Some are voting for independence and some not.

At this moment the polls stand at 51% No and 49% yes. With many on the fence. Still undecided. So it is going to be a close call.

I would love to know the opinions of the Avalon alternative thinkers looking at the bigger picture. My opinion is, The break up of the United Kingdom could be a game changer. First it would no longer be "The United Kingdom" How would that effect the "New world order plan" I wonder or would it have no effect ??

Apart from the effect it would have with our nearest and dearest neighbours. England. Ireland and Wales, Scotland's relationship with Europe and NATO would change. America, Canada, Russia, China. The World.

The Scottish Government and first minister Alex Salmond is calling for an Explicit ban on Trident nuclear weapons in Scotland. Where they are based.
Explicit ban on nuclear weapons in Scotland

http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/top-stories/independence-battle-lines-drawn-on-nuclear-weapons-1-3375691

On the topic of Alex Salmond and the SNP party. Westminster have created this debate as a battle against Alex Salmond. When it is not about him. He is just the messenger that has said. You can do this. If Scotland decides to vote for independence in the coming referendum. We then build up to elections in 18 months time. Then Scotland will vote on who they wish to govern the country. And that may not be SNP. But it will be a Government voted by the people of Scotland, In Scotland and For Scotland. Not what we have now. A Government not voted by Scotland, with only one seat in Scotland, But ruling over us from Westminster.

When i speak with Family, Friends and people i bump into who are undecided or have already decided No. I ask them why they wish to remain with puppets in Westminster.
Whether to the left or the right. Westminster took our country into illegal wars through lies of weapons of mass destruction. If Joe blogs goes over his overdraft limit, He is punished and fined. But when the criminal bankers bring a country to their knees through overspending money they never had, Which resulted in businesses collapsing, People losing their jobs and homes and becoming homeless. (I was one such person) The criminal bankers are rewarded and bailed out using tax payers money.
And now the truth is slowly coming out, That Westminster and MI5 have been protecting and covering up horrific VIP satanic paedophile rings. Turning a blind eye and protecting people in high places who abuse our young children, Some of which are murdered and vanish of the face of the earth. Scotland is also guilty for covering up paedophelia. But by having our own government, our voices and demands for justice will heard and acted upon and not ignored.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?72841-IMPORTANT-...How-the-establishment-Elites-fix-it...........Brownie-points-or-Blackmail---...

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?50809-How-Jimmy-was-able-to-Fix-it----

So yes. Why stay with Westminster. ????

The fear mongering coming from the Westminster puppets has been hilarious to say the least.

For example.

Scotland will lose TV soaps such as Eastenders, (Brilliant)

The Royal Bank of Scotland will go home to London. (Good riddance)

Barclay's Bank will do the same. (Good riddance, Note both these banks were part of the criminal financial crisis)

Mobile phones will either wont work or rocket up in price.

Now get this. This is true. Scotland will have no protection against an Alien Invasion. :doh: :laugh:
We already have an Alien Invasion, It called Westminster.

The list is beyond the ridiculous. More here.
https://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.net/yesscotland/pages/1755/attachments/original/1373290492/YES_A4_Project_Fear_July13.pdf

What currency to use has been hot on the debate. For the time being SNP want to continue using the pound. Westminster says they will not allow this. SNP says they cannot stop us. With or without an agreement. Which is true.

Glasgow born George Galloway EX labour MP and now leader of the respect party, Who is against Westminster but is also against independence for Scotland. The reason. He says if you keep the pound you will always be under the control of the Bank of England. And that is not Independence. I think he has a point.




RT's Max Keiser speaks to Frankie Boyle about Scottish Independence.

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The Scottish Government offered to help the wounded Palestinians. by treating them in Scottish hospitals. I wrote to them saying i hope these are not empty words and to keep us updated on their progress.

http://news.scotland.gov.uk/News/Situation-in-Gaza-and-Israel-ecc.aspx

The Queen recently wasted a good bottle of whisky smashing it on the hull of the new aircraft carrier the 65,000-tonne HMS Queen Elizabeth - Built in Scotland.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-28146412

As the Scottish Government's plan for the Scottish army, is to be more of a peace keeping force around the world. I would rather we built the biggest hospital ships and do something useful rather than annihilate yet another country with toys of destruction.

I think i have expressed myself enough now. I am hoping for a balanced debate here from Avalonian's as we build up the the referendum.

More links for reference.

http://thebabelfishblog.wordpress.com/2014/05/16/scottish-independence-what-its-not-about/?blogsub=confirming#subscribe-blog

http://www.newsnetscotland.com/index.php/scottish-economy/8865-new-figures-show-scotland-outranks-uk-on-international-performance

Salmond Vs Darling Last week in Glasgow.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33Z9l-rWgfA


Peace.

[Dennis Leahy]

Congratulations, Scotland, for getting this to a referendum. My hope is that you will gain independence...again.

Dennis

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

These are strange a wonderful times that we live in --

Wanna know something super super weird? Was unable to stop obsessing on Scottish royalty and emigration for the 3 years up until the initial announcement was made, that Scotland was going to make a bid for independence --

(great timing too w/ the BP scandals coming)

[Ahnung-quay]

On Sept. 18th, I'll be praying for the people of bonny Scotland to make a stand against the Empire. If not now, when?

[angelfire]

As you know, Billy, I'm with you all the way on this one. The bottom line for me has always been that an independant Scotland has never been part of the grand plan and when I hear westminster urging me to do something which is purportedly for my own good, I usually turn and walk the other way - it always seems much safer and saner to do so.
It's a sure sign that people are waking up when the polls are reflecting such a narrow margin. Imagine the size of the Yes vote were we to have a balanced stance from the press and media - only one (Sunday) paper is openly pro independance while the rest are blatantly supporting and spreading the lies, fear-mongering and propaganda streaming out of the Better Together campaign.
If any Avalonians wish to help us suceed, there are groups of people in Scotland visualising and meditating for a free country - we'd love your support!
With hope and optimism - we CAN do this!

[indigopete]

Well I'll be voting yes on the 18th.

Unfortunately, some of my compatriots are voting no. Here's some of the best reasons I've seen !...

- "Hey - why take decisions yourself when you can have them taken for you by a bunch of child molesting Etonian drunkards ! "

- "Bigger is better - why choose the lifeboat when you can have a first class berth on the Titanic"

- "Nationalism is narrow and isolationist, why be plugged into the rest of the world when you already have a drip feed from the City of London"

Seem like reasonable arguments. Better consult "Lady Alba"...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SvdecwnYJ4

...or for the more sober minded, Craig Murray's "generous" view of the benefits of being part of the Great British State.... :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIQ8VVn8AJA&list

[johnf]

Anything that breaks up monopolies is a needed move in my book.
Any estimates on how many for each side?

John

[indigopete]

Anything that breaks up monopolies is a needed move in my book.
Any estimates on how many for each side?

Here you go...

http://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/referendum-news/latest-indy-poll-yes-42-no-48-undecided-11-.1409286439

[johnf]

Anything that breaks up monopolies is a needed move in my book.
Any estimates on how many for each side?

Here you go...

http://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/referendum-news/latest-indy-poll-yes-42-no-48-undecided-11-.1409286439

Thanks Pete, not a yes majority, but it is a poll. I hope it tilts the other way when the real vote happens!

John

[aheb]

The thing that I am afraid of is that if Scotland gets her independence she will become a vassal of the EEC complete with the Euro as a currencey. It was tony bliar who enabled people to get the referndum and he is a globalist, I think his plan was one of divide and conquer. He knew that it would be difficult to get the UK to get ino Europe but felt that if he split the uk up into bite sized pieces it would be easier. Suppose Scotland does get independence and then joins the EEC. How long before Wales and England feel obliged to join as well.
Seperate from that I am all in favour, if Scotland is truly independent of everywhere else it will be a great day for Scotland.

[Tesseract]

Billy:
Westminster took our country into illegal wars through lies of weapons of mass destruction.

Tony Blair is Scottish, no?

[Rocky_Shorz]

7 days after 9/11

have the bankers figured out what to do with the nuclear vessels if Scotland moves to independence?

[Billy]

Billy:
Westminster took our country into illegal wars through lies of weapons of mass destruction.

Tony Blair is Scottish, no?

Yes. As was the mind controlled Puppet Gordon Brown who stepped into The Puppet Tony Blair's shoes and became Prime Minister. Who Echoed the Westminster cry for a "New World Order"

Scotland like every other country is not without their Murderers, Psychopaths and paedophiles.

I am not sure what your point is Tesseract.

[Billy]

7 days after 9/11

have the bankers figured out what to do with the nuclear vessels if Scotland moves to independence?

If Scotland decides for Independence. Westminster and NATO have 5 years to remove all nuclear weapons of mass destruction from Scotland.

If they have any sense, they will dismantle them altogether and remold the molted metals for the betterment of humanity, instead of the destruction of all humanity. :eyebrows:

[seko]

What advantages would you have as a Scottish national living in an independent nation Billy???

Thanks aheb for your post, it makes sense to give Scotland it's long forgotten freedom from Westminster.

Who indeed benefits from Scotland's independence? Is it the scottish people or the NWO?

Well, the 18th of September is my birthday, so I will for sure celebrate it!

Lots of love to all scottish people they are great, friendly, crazy and have a beautiful country, one of my favorites.

[Billy]

Glasgow born George Galloway EX labour MP and now leader of the respect party, Who is against Westminster but is also against independence for Scotland. The reason. He says if you keep the pound you will always be under the control of the Bank of England. And that is not Independence. I think he has a point.


Peace.

Having mentioned George Galloway yesterday. Can i ask for your healing prayers for him, as he was brutally attacked in London last night. He is in hospital with broken bones.

http://rt.com/uk/183912-galloway-israel-beaten-london/

Get well soon George.

[sheme]

I feel this decision will be world changing, don't ask me why.

England will benefit just as much as Scotland, Scottish men have meddled in English affairs for far to long, as English men have meddled in Scottish affairs- you want your freedom - so do I -so be it - may be this is what "they" wanted all along? "Together we stood", apart we can look both ways. All the best.

[Cristian]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIQ8VVn8AJA

[Billy]

Thank you Cristian, Well said Craig Murray. A man who has witnessed the Lies first hand.


What advantages would you have as a Scottish national living in an independent nation Billy???

I mentioned some of the advantages in the OP. First and foremost Scotland would be Governed by people who are voted in by Scottish Citizens. For example the Tory Government ruling from Westminster at this moment Lost ALL their seats in Scotland apart from one at the last elections. But because of the existing system, still they Govern over Scotland.

Removing NATO Nuclear war machines from Scotland is good news.

Westminster Tories want to sell off the NHS to the private sector. Scotland want to keep keep it in public hands.

Here are more benefits. http://www.yesscotland.net/answers/what-are-benefits-scotland-being-independent




Who indeed benefits from Scotland's independence? Is it the scottish people or the NWO?

That is a question i asked in the OP. and one i would like to debate with folks here. What i know is that all those in power who are against independence and trying their hardest to stop it. Are the same ones who have echoed the cry for a New World Order.



Well, the 18th of September is my birthday, so I will for sure celebrate it!

Lots of love to all scottish people they are great, friendly, crazy and have a beautiful country, one of my favorites.

A pre happy birthday seko. :yo:

At this stage i am not sure if the extra 3% required for independence will come through. but we shall see.

[Billy]

The thing that I am afraid of is that if Scotland gets her independence she will become a vassal of the EEC complete with the Euro as a currencey. It was tony bliar who enabled people to get the referndum and he is a globalist, I think his plan was one of divide and conquer. He knew that it would be difficult to get the UK to get ino Europe but felt that if he split the uk up into bite sized pieces it would be easier. Suppose Scotland does get independence and then joins the EEC. How long before Wales and England feel obliged to join as well.
Seperate from that I am all in favour, if Scotland is truly independent of everywhere else it will be a great day for Scotland.

Using the Euro would be something that i would dread also. But lessons have been learned here with Ireland, Greece and other European countries this past few years. The pound is the choice of currency for the time being. It makes no sense to leave one corrupt system just to join another.

It was not Tony Blair's choice to allow for a referendum. Devolution was his choice. It was the SNP who demanded a referendum.

Shem said this


"Together we stood", apart we can look both ways. All the best.

And as far as Wales and England stand, We can still be united as a people. This is about moving away from a corrupt system, not the people of Wales and England.

It's easy. All we do is add an S for Scotland at the end of United Kingdom.
And it becomes. United Kingdoms. :nod:

[Mutchie]

I think support for the YES campaign is really taking off ... up here in Aberdeen i posted a poll on facebook asking people how they would vote it was an over whelming YES !!! I wander though how westminister will cope with a YES vote i mean the oil revenues would see Scotland THRIVE we are only 7 million people .... will no10 just hand over that income i would think they would feel that in their pockets in a VERY BIG WAY they have destroyed the shipyards and the mines and a lot of other industries is it any wander David Cameron is NERVOUS !!! The sooner we break away the better

[Billy]

Hi Mutchie, If Scotland decides to go independent, i personally hope that a percentage of the revenues gained from Oil would be used to move away from using oil altogether. I would hope Scotland would invest more funding into research for advanced alternative energy sources. I do not mean Solar or Wind power but more advanced technologies that have been suppressed by the PTB for more than a hundred years.

17 days to go and the latest polls say there is a 3 point move towards the yes campaign for independence.

The times front page headlines for tomorrow.

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Polls are varied.But this is where we roughly stand.

NO's 6 points ahead.

Yes has gained 3 points last few days and up 8 points in the month of August.

Undecided at a record low at 10%

another poll says. 275.000 undecided.

peace

[ktlight]

A message to the people of Scotland


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsxJyV35xps

"Published on 4 Sep 2014
The artist taxi driver"

Say YES, states Mark. This (Scotland) belongs to the people.

[Billy]

Thank you Ktlight. If only a few more Scots were as passionate to make a difference and move away from a corrupt Westminster system as this English Taxi driver. Well said Mark.

On the currency issue.

Opposition to currency union with Scotland is a bluff, says top economist

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/aug/25/opposition-currency-union-socltand-bluff-joseph-stiglitz

Prof Joseph Stiglitz accused the no campaign of deliberately stoking up fear and anxiety among Scottish voters. Photograph: Ken Jack/Demotix/Corbis

Prof Joseph Stiglitz, the Nobel prize-winning economist, has accused David Cameron's government of bluffing over its opposition to a currency union with an independent Scotland.

Stiglitz boosted Alex Salmond's repeated insistence that a formal sterling zone was the best option by accusing the no campaign of deliberately stoking up fear and anxiety among Scottish voters as a short-term tactic in the referendum.

Speaking at the Edinburgh international book festival on the day the first minister faces the no campaign leader, Alistair Darling, in a live BBC debate, Stiglitz said he also believed Scotland's finance sector was using scare tactics over independence – threatening to move its operations to England, to protect its own vested interests.

"I have been a little bit shocked at how much of it is based on fear, trying to get anxiety levels up and how little of it has been based on vision," Stiglitz said, referring to the anti-independence campaign.

"There is a vision on the yes side that I see: what would an independent Scotland be like? What could it do that it can't do now?"

Stiglitz, one of Salmond's key economic policy advisers and a former chairman of Bill Clinton's council of economic advisers, said that a currency union would be accepted after a yes vote, because the Scottish and UK economies were so closely intertwined.

"For the most part, I think these are bluffs. Whatever the outcome, there's going to be a negotiation and people are going to be looking at what's in the best interests of both parties, and there will be negotiations," he said.

One important example of Scotland's more positive vision was having free university tuition – a policy rejected by successive UK governments, which charges tuition fees of up to £9,000 a year. "I think that's illustrative of a divide in a vision of society," he said. "For the notion of equality, access to higher education is really vital."

Salmond is likely to seize on Stiglitz's remarks during Monday evening's live debate against Darling, being staged at the Kelvinhall museum in Glasgow, after his bruising encounter with the former UK chancellor in STV's debate on 5 August over Scotland's currency options.

Led by George Osborne, the chancellor, all three main UK parties have vetoed a currency union post-independence. Citing expert opinion from Treasury economists, the Tories, Labour and Lib Dems insist a currency union is not in the interests of Scotland or the UK.

With polls suggesting English voters are also hostile to a sterling pact, the UK parties argue it would involve the UK carrying the greatest financial risk because it would be underwriting a foreign country's banks – which in Scotland's case are relatively very large, even while its economies were in competition.

Scottish anti-independence campaigners, including Darling, insist it would also tie Scotland's hands and make it heavily dependent on a larger foreign government's economic decisions.

The economics thinkthank Fiscal Affairs Scotland said on Monday that a currency union would require so many compromises for an independent Scotland, over tax rates, borrowing or debt levels, it was "likely to involve severe curtailment of an independent Scotland's ability to influence its own future fiscal and monetary policy".

Stiglitz, now at Columbia university in New York, took a different position from Salmond's government on the best measure of prosperity, by criticising the use of gross domestic product (GDP) to assess economic success – a measure repeatedly used to underline Scotland's relative wealth.

Earlier on Monday, John Swinney, the Scottish finance secretary, said Scotland's per capita output was higher than that of France, the UK as a whole and of Japan.

"It is frankly insulting to the people of Scotland to suggest that they are somehow incapable of managing the nation's immense wealth," Swinney said.

Before sidestepping a question on whether Salmond was right to say that sterling was an government asset that Scotland had a right to share, Stiglitz said GDP was too crude, and did not measure equality and income distribution across society.

"The way we measure economic performance doesn't really capture a lot of what's going on. GDP isn't really the best measure of how an economy is doing. This is very important because we often rate our politicians on how well GDP is going up," he said.

More here. http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/aug/25/opposition-currency-union-socltand-bluff-joseph-stiglitz

[Billy]

I like this video.

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peace.

[aheb]

I would make the point also that Norway has one of the richest Soverign wealth funds in the world, due to the small population and the massive amounts of oil wealth, so could Scotland be. This fact won't be lost on westminister or the banksters. As I understand it the UK government cannot take the pound off the Scotts if they opt for independence. However, I think that Scottish independence could be the Black Swan that collapses the whole finnancial ponzi scheme. This could be due to many factors, UK debt,oil revenue, adopting a new gold backed currencey or currencey tie with Russia or Germany. If Scotland does become independent it would ruin the chances of the labour party in Englad as Scottish MP's make up a lot of the labour seats.
One black swan could be RBS which owns National Westminister it has bad debts from Ulster bank of many millions, and as all banks are connected by derivative swaps etc ( and nobody knows who owns or owes what).......any restructurig could badly affect them and in some way cause a panic or systemic collapse.
As much as people are talking about it, I don't think anyone has really sat down and thought hard about the benefits or the downside, and it could well be that the downside is more than the benefits.

[Billy]

Update. 11 days to go and the polls show a swing towards Yes.
Today's Sunday times front page.

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Fear responds.

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Exciting times, It's never over until it's over. I leave you with a wee song from Dougie Mclean.

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peace.

[East Sun]

I'm sure someone has said it already but I'll say it anyway;
don't use machines to count the votes. In the US machines were rigged to sway the results.

Scotland, don't let that happen. Say no to machine counts.

[ktlight]

Scottish Independence YES!! ahead in polls


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zybQVUKjA8g

"Published on 7 Sep 2014
The artist taxi driver"

Scotland is saying yes. May your choices reflect your hopes.

[mahalall]

Finally the scots will tell the english to piss off.
but will the european union be so tolerant of the scottish assertions?
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[mahalall]

mutchie
I wander though how westminister will cope with a YES vote i mean the oil revenues would see Scotland THRIVE we are only 7 million people .
Could the oil be piped south of the boarder where refining and taxation would become cheaper?

[greybeard]

I posted this else where but it got buried.
The reason I re posted it is.
He (Craig Murray) had first hand information pre Iraq invasion due to his position as an ambassador and it was known by the high ups in the UK government that there were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq---he talks of this and other matters in the short video.

Scotland has got dragged into many conflicts due to being part of the UK.

Chris

Craig Murray, former UK ambassador to Uzbekistan, tells us why he is for YES and reveals some horrendous truths about the UK/Westminster establishment. Seriously, listen to the man.




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIQ8VVn8AJA

[Cidersomerset]

There is some panic in the establishment camp now....LOL
The English as well as the Scottish !!

Don't forget there has been a lot of Scots and ministers of
Scottish decent running Westminster , so be careful what
you wish for...LOL



This is like a scene from Braveheart , in medieval times it was not
uncommon to negotiate before a battle to see if one side or other
would give way before a contest of arms ......


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Nick Robinson, Political editor Article written by Nick Robinson
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More from NickScotland - Vote No and get something better?File picture of flags
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Check out the latest polls

On the morning after the poll before, "Vote No and get something better" summed up
George Osborne's message. It's a tried and trusted message which worked in the
independence referendum in Quebec when a last minute poll lead for Yes was transformed
into a narrow No. It is, though, a message with a difficult history in Scotland.

Thirty five years ago it was precisely what Scots were told when they were voting in a
referendum on a much more modest proposal - to create a Scottish Parliament with
some devolved powers.

A former prime minister, a Scot and, as it happens, a Tory, Sir Alec Douglas Home urged
his countrymen to vote No and get "something better". The referendum rejected devolution
and what they got soon afterwards was 18 years of Margaret Thatcher's government and no
devolution at all (until, that is, Labour were re-elected in 1997).

That is just one reason why Osborne's promise of a plan to transfer new powers to Holyrood -
covering tax raising, spending and benefits - caused such confusion yesterday. It is why
Alex Salmond felt able to attack it as a sign of "panic" on the No side.

The other reason is that the three rival Westminster parties - the Conservatives, Labour and
Liberal Democrats - have not agreed a plan for which precise powers to devolve. Each party
has published its own set of proposals which overlap in the areas Osborne listed.

The plan he was talking about - but which is still being argued about behind the scenes -
is to give Scottish voters certainty that this time - unlike last time - they are guaranteed
to get "something better" whoever forms the next government in Westminster.

The Lib Dem Scottish secretary Alastair Carmichael has long talked about the idea of setting
up a Scottish Constitutional Convention bringing together representatives of all parties -
including the SNP - and none (trade unionists, business groups, the churches etc). This would
hammer out a new settlement which all the Westminster parties would then promise to
implement whoever is elected in the 2015 general election.

Who should announce this, where and how poses its own problems since Scottish voters - like
voters right across the world - are deeply mistrustful of what politicians say. If all three party
leaders stood together it would simply allow Alex Salmond to say "I told you they were all the
same and that Labour were in bed with the Tories."

A striking finding of this weekend's YouGov poll is that the leader of the Labour Party - for so
long the natural party of government in Scotland - is trusted by under a quarter of Scottish
voters, the same number as it happens as trust David Cameron.

Alex Salmond is not immune from the anti politician mood, but 38% of people said they trusted
him which may be one reason the Yes campaign is doing as well as it is.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-29106901

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Queen 'horrified' at prospect of Scotland breaking away from UK


The Queen beamed as she attended Scotland's Braemar Gathering but
privately her mood is said to be far less sunny as a constitutional crisis looms.

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Buckingham Palace aides have revealed the Queen has a "great deal
of concern" that Scotland will vote to leave the United Kingdom.

Palace officials have publicly insisted Her Majesty is neutral over the issue
of independence despite the threat to her own position as queen of Scotland.

The 88-year-old monarch appeared in good spirits as she and the royal
family attended this weekend's Highland Games in Scotland.

But privately she is said to be very worried as the latest referendum poll
showed the Yes campaign taking the lead for the first time with little
more than a week to go to the vote

http://news.uk.msn.com/in-pictures/queen-horrified-at-prospect-of-scotland-breaking-away-from-uk344566


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Cameron 'Yes' vote would leave Scotland more vulnerable to Terrorism ( from CIA, MI6 and Mossad)
NO No.....ISIS !!


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‘Trust Me’ On The Economy? New Report Claims Darling’s Deception Cost Us £25 Billion

new Monday 8th September 2014 at 09:57 By david-icke


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‘A devastating new report has raised serious concerns over former Labour Chancellor
Alistair Darling’s role in the UK’s financial crisis.

Revelations from an investigation by the Independent on Sunday (IoS) show that the
Better Together chairman may have colluded with the Bank of England to conceal the
true state of at least one of Britain’s giant banking institutions leading to a seemingly
fraudulent report to potential investors.’

Read more: 'Trust Me' On The Economy? New Report Claims Darling’s Deception Cost Us £25 Billion

http://nationalcollective.com/2014/09/06/trust-me-on-the-economy-new-report-claims-darlings-deception-cost-us-25bn/



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[Billy]

Osborne breaks election purdah laws..#indyref


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[Billy]

Craig Murray's Blog today.

http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2014/09/when-the-push-polling-has-to-stop/

When the push polling has to stop

by craig on September 8, 2014 12:39 am in Uncategorized

YouGov stood to have its reputation shattered if it continued to put out polls showing ten point leads for No, when Yes is very obviously headed for a majority.

Those massive YouGov leads for No were all part of the Unionist tactic of making independence appear both uniquely impossible to Scotland, as opposed to any other small nation state you can name, and an unattainable dream. Too poor, too wee, too stupid and politically isolated. YouGov are known in the trade as “You Can Have Any Result You Pay For Gov”. For months, James Kelly on the Scot Goes Pop blog has brilliantly analysed the methodologies they employed to give those large No leads – asking prior leading questions, a large preponderance of Labour voters in their panel, and the “Kellner Correction” – an assumption that lies or faulty memory about how people last voted, would penalise Labour unless corrected for statistically. The result was YouGov polls that were great reading for the No camp, but made no sense whatsever to anybody who had talked to voters.

My own view is that there has not been an extraordinary 12 point swing in a fortnight, as illustrated by YouGov’s last two polls. What there has been is a continuing stead swing and a realisation in YouGov that, having helped the No campaign for over a year by trying to make a Yes vote seem hopeless, to be over 12% out on this vital vote might damage YouGov’s share price fatally. So they have had to start publishing something close to the truth.

As I have been reporting, the truth has been very obvious to people on the ground for weeks. And the truth is not only that independence is coming, but that the entire political class, BBC and mainstream media has been rejected, and a new form of popular power, based on community democracy and social media, has taken over.

I received an invite from the National Library of Scotland to a post-referendum debrief at 9am on 19 September. Anybody sober at 9am on 19 September (unless having medical excuse) is not part of the New Scotland. But more crucially, the panel includes Henry McLeish and Michael Moore – and they want people to pay 35 pounds to listen to their words of wisdom.

They really haven’t got it yet. Nobody will ever care what Moore and McLeish and their like have to say again, and the kind of democracy we will have will not involve paying substantial sums to hear pearls of wisdom drop from troughers on a pedestal. Nor will members of the old political establishment have a future in that career. It was a good tactic for Alex Salmond to say that Darling and Carmichael will be on the negotiating team: the people will not allow it to happen.

There is at last some understanding that Yes will win: the penny has not yet dropped that this is a revolutionary moment, not a polite constitutional shuffle.

[Hogswitch]

Hi Kevin, it's not just about the oil either, where's the best place to put a nuclear submarine base? Somewhere remote with lots of deep sea inlets similar to the Norwegian fjords. How many of those does England have...?

Hog.

P.S. If those bastards in Westminster want you in you'll probably be better off out, best of luck from the other side of the border.

[Cidersomerset]

Scotland offered increased powers as parties unite to rally no voters

Monday 8th September 2014 at 08:38 By david-icke


THE TELEGRAPH.........


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‘A last-minute all-party plan to devolve further powers to Scotland over tax,
spending, welfare and a host of other areas will be unveiled in the next few
days, George Osborne has said.

The announcement came after a YouGov poll showed the yes side taking a
narrow lead, spreading fears at Westminster of a constitutional crisis.

The chancellor detailed the plans – the product of backroom talks – saying
they would be unveiled in the next few days with a clear timetable for
implementation in the event of a no vote. The offer is similar to the
last-minute package offered to Quebec by the Canadian government in
1995, that staved off a vote for separation.’

Read more: Scotland offered increased powers as parties unite to rally no voters

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/sep/07/scotland-powers-george-osborne-support-parties

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The Scottish Referendum: Decision on a Knife-edge

Monday 8th September 2014 at 07:08 By david-icke

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The Scottish Referendum: Decision on a Knife-edge

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‘The debate over which way to vote in the Scottish Referendum is hotting up.
The polls say that the gap between those voting to stay in the United Kingdom
is now only a few points ahead of those planning to vote for independence.

With many still undecided, there has been a tidal wave of people registering to
vote, particularly among the young. The norm for UK electoral turnout is poor.
Fewer and fewer people bother to vote in local and general elections.
Governments can come into power on less than a quarter of the electorate
voting for them.

But in a few days Scotland may going to show us how it should be
done – some predict a turnout of 80%.’

Read more: The Scottish Referendum: Decision on a Knife-edge

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[Cidersomerset]

I watched these two docs the other night as part of my Myths and legends thread.
William Wallace was certainly a real Scottish patriot, But not quite as portrayed by
Mel Gibson.....

' Brave heart' As I'm sure all you Scots know was the name for Robert The Bruce.......

Just for the sassanach (Saxons)...LOL....




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William Wallace is one of Scotland's greatest national heroes, undisputed leader of
the Scottish resistance forces during the first years of the long and ultimately
successful struggle to free Scotland from English rule at the end of the 13th
Century.

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[Cidersomerset]

Personally I don't mind what the people of Scotland want to do.......

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Billy Connolly - Terrorist Attack At Glasgow Airport, Must Watch!

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Billy Connolly, speaking about the islamic terrorist attack at Glasgow Airport.
You must watch this is Hilarious!


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Just for balance.....

Billy Connolly on Christians and Christian Rock

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From "Was it Something I Said" concert film, live from Australia

[Cidersomerset]

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8 September 2014 Last updated at 18:11

Referendum round-up: Ten days to goBy Martin Currie


Read more.....
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-29109006



BBC Scotland
Don't panic, Darling

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Alistair Darling

Better Together chairman Alistair Darling denies his campaign is panicking after
Chancellor George Osborne's promise of a timetable for further devolution in the
event of a "No" vote.

First Minister Alex Salmond called the proposal a "panicky" attempt to "bribe" Scots
as opinion polls tighten, with one suggesting "Yes" is ahead.

When speaking to BBC Radio 4's Today programme, Mr Darling acknowledged that
the referendum race was "clearly very tight" but said there was no panic.

Should Scotland be an independent country?
Latest poll: You-Gov, 6 Sep 2014

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"Oh **** get the cheque book !!!!"......Bribery in order..LOL

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Check out the latest polls

Former prime minister Gordon Brown has set out a timetable for
boosting the Scottish Parliament's powers if voters reject independence.

Mr Brown said a "No" vote would be the "starting gun" for Holyrood
to be handed greater control over finance, welfare and taxation.

It is understood the three main Westminster parties will formally
back Mr Brown's proposals on Tuesday.

The SNP has said the "No" campaign is in a state of "absolute panic".

A Downing Street spokesman said of Mr Brown's announcement:
"We welcome this Labour initiative and we are content with the proposed timetable".

On Sunday, Chancellor George Osborne pledged to set out a "plan of action"
on the implementation of new powers.

It came in the wake of a YouGov poll which gave the pro-independence campaign
a narrow lead for the first time in the campaign ahead of the referendum on 18 September.

The value of the pound on Monday fell by about 1.3% against the US dollar to a
ten-month low of $1.61 in the wake of the poll, while shares in some firms
with Scottish links also fell.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-29115556

[aheb]

I think the establishment of all colours has been taken by surprise by this and I think it comes back to the same problem that they had with UKIP. They have their speech writers and their token agendas which they think will fly with the sheeple, like gay marriage , the politicos are desperatly searching for issues that they can use to promote themselves and that enables them to ignore the real issues that people are concerned about.....let's be honest the Scots hate the English LOL....personally I would be glad to see the Union flag changed and get the dam german royal family out.maybe confiscate their scottish estates.

[Cidersomerset]

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9 September 2014 Last updated at 10:06

Scottish independence: Pro-Union parties back Scotland powers timetable

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The Scottish leaders of the three main pro-Union parties have announced their
backing for more powers for Scotland.

Scottish Labour leader Johann Lamont, Conservative leader Ruth Davidson and
Liberal Democrat leader Willie Rennie made a statement in Edinburgh.

Ms Lamont said she was "delighted" to endorse the "delivery plan" set out by
former prime minister Gordon Brown.

The announcement came as a new poll suggested there was very little between
the two referendum campaigns.

The three party leaders made a statement on the steps of the Dynamic Earth
museum in Edinburgh.

Ms Lamont said: "It is possible to vote 'No' on 18 September and also say you
are voting for change, for more powers for the Scottish Parliament."

Scottish Conservative leader Ms Davidson said Gordon Brown had outlined a plan,
which would come into effect in the result of a "No" vote, and Prime Minister David
Cameron had endorsed it. She added: "I am delighted to stand here to welcome it too."

Mr Rennie, the Scottish Liberal Democrat leader, said: "All three parties are coming
together as this is so important."

BBC Scotland's political correspondent Tim Reid said he understood the three
pro-Union parties were to sign up to a pledge that a new Scotland Act - devolving
further powers in the event of a "No" vote - would be included in the first Queen's
Speech after the 2015 General Election.

The latest TNS poll showed that of all the adults surveyed, 39% were backing a
"No" vote, 38% a "Yes" vote and 23% were undecided.

Of those who said they were sure to vote, the "Yes" and "No" camps were neck a
nd neck at 41% with 18% undecided.

Yes Scotland described the poll as "another breakthrough" while Better Together
said it showed there was "no room for a protest vote".

The poll of 990 people was conducted between 27 August and 4 September.


Read more.......

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-29113547

[ktlight]

Scottish Independence will be won by a landslide


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"Published on 8 Sep 2014
The artist taxi driver"

Look at George Osborne, the architect of permanent austerity. Scotland can have whatever it wants if it votes NO - they have always spoken with forked tongue. Next, they're gonna wheel out the Queen and Tony Blair.

All the begging, all the lying, will not get in the way of Scotland. Scotland will show England, Ireland and Wales that there is another way.

[Billy]

Well said Mark the taxi driver. And all very true. Lordy he almost cry's at the end.

His passion prevents him from not shouting and screaming. :happy:

[Hogswitch]

A FOREIGN Office department ostensibly set up to promote the Scottish Government's interests is being used against it in the independence referendum, diplomatic cables have revealed... http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/home-news/revealed-the-foreign-office-devo-units-drive-to-kill-off-independence.23269484

[Cidersomerset]

Don't Panic! .....Mr .Salmon wins election ...LOL


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9 September 2014 Last updated at 16:09

Scottish independence: UK party leaders in 'No' vote trip to Scotland

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[Cidersomerset]

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BBC News Scottish independence Cameron and Miliband will miss PMQs

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Published on 9 Sep 2014


The decision of party leaders to miss Wednesday's prime minister's
questions session was "pretty dramatic and shows just how concerned
they are" says the BBC's political editor.

Nick Robinson said there was a "degree of anxiety" that voters in
Scotland were about vote "to end Britain as we know it".

David Cameron and Ed Miliband are due to head to Scotland to
campaign on the referendum.

William Hague and Harriet Harman will stand in for their leaders at PMQs.

[Billy]

I'm sure someone has said it already but I'll say it anyway;
don't use machines to count the votes. In the US machines were rigged to sway the results.

Scotland, don't let that happen. Say no to machine counts.

Just to ease minds here. The vote counts will be carried out manually. not electronically. The voting boxes will be sealed and monitored closely. As will the vehicles carrying the votes to the counting stations. Escorted and guarded at all times. :wizard:
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Hehe they are coming thick and fast now. :heh:

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[Cidersomerset]

The Queen may not be amused , but just like in the Fuedal days of Edward 1 and
Robert the Bruce, She has lands and titles in Scotland as well as England and most
of the Commonwealth, and her Grandson already has an heir and has just
announced a 'spare' on the way. Unlike her son Charles match with Diana,
Wills and Kate seem very much in love ........

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Duchess of Cambridge pregnant: TUC leader Frances O’Grady speech on class system cut off by royal baby newsflash

Tuesday 9th September 2014 at 09:45 By david-icke

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Duchess of Cambridge pregnant: TUC leader Frances O’Grady speech on class system cut off by royal baby newsflash


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‘Live television coverage of a speech by Frances O’Grady, General Secretary of the
TUC, was cut off this morning minutes after she had warned of a return to
a “Downton Abbey” society – for a newsflash announcing that the Duchess of
Cambridge is expecting her second child.

The second royal pregnancy was deemed to be so important that nothing more was
heard of Ms O’Grady’s speech, in which she expanded on her theme that the British
class system is being reinvented, as the gap between rich and poor widens.’

People watching the speech on the BBC’s news channel heard her say: "Are we
going to settle for a nastier and poorer Britain - a Downton Abbey-style society, in
which the living standards of the vast majority are sacrificed to protect the high
living of the well-to-do?”

But they missed the bit where she went on to warn against returning to a class
system like the one described in Evelyn Waugh’s postwar novel, Brideshead
Revisited.

After discovering that only half the speech had been covered, a senior TUC official
remarked: “Good luck to the Duchess of Cambridge, but she would still have been
pregnant when Frances finished speaking.”

Read more: Duchess of Cambridge pregnant: TUC leader Frances O’Grady speech on class system cut off by royal baby newsflash


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9 September 2014 Last updated at 20:36
Scottish independence: Monarch 'above politics', Buckingham Palace says


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The Queen holding an audience with Scotland's First Minister Alex Salmond in Edinburgh in July

Any suggestion that the Queen would wish to influence the Scottish referendum campaign is "categorically wrong",
Buckingham Palace has said.

The statement follows press reports that Her Majesty was concerned about the prospect of Scottish independence.

It also follows comments from First Minister Alex Salmond, who said the Queen "will be proud" to be the monarch
of an independent Scotland.

The Palace insisted the referendum was "a matter for the people of Scotland".

A spokesman said: "The sovereign's constitutional impartiality is an established principle of our democracy and one
which the Queen has demonstrated throughout her reign.

"As such the monarch is above politics and those in political office have a duty to ensure that this remains the case.

"Any suggestion that the Queen would wish to influence the outcome of the current referendum campaign is categorically wrong.

"Her Majesty is firmly of the view that this is a matter for the people of Scotland."

The BBC's royal correspondent Peter Hunt said he understands that Buckingham Palace issued its statement in response
to calls for the Queen to speak out in favour of the union and not in response to Mr Salmond's remarks.

Balmoral audience

SNP leader Mr Salmond said he had an audience with the Queen at Balmoral Castle two weeks ago but would not say
what was discussed.

He dismissed press reports that Her Majesty was concerned about the prospect of Scottish independence.

"I want the Queen as head of state, as Queen of Scots of an independent Scotland, as her ancestors were," he said.

Mr Salmond was speaking at a photocall outside St Giles Cathedral in Edinburgh.

He said: "I think Her Majesty the Queen, who has seen so many events in the course of her long reign, will be proud
to be Queen of Scots, and indeed we would be proud to have her as monarch of this land."

The first minister said he thought the statement released by Buckingham Palace regarding the Queen's neutrality was
"a perfectly satisfactory and perfectly sensible" response to the press rumours about her concern.

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Arise SER Alex........

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[Billy]

I dinnae want tae ken that ma kingdom may be nae mare.

I'm keepin ma gob shut. :tape:


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Oor majesty isny daft. :nod:

Sorry, I couldn't resist. :hug:

peace.

[ktlight]

3 stooges 3 patsies on their way to Scotland


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"Published on 9 Sep 2014
The artist taxi driver"

Most of the banks throughout the world are insolvent, hanging by a thread on the debt repayments. Westmonster's austerity is the salvation of banks.

There are questions Mark wants Scotland to ask of the three stooges, which will most certainly lead to a landslide YES whereby Scotland gives itself a future.

[ktlight]

This is your time Scotland


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"Published on 10 Sep 2014
The artist taxi driver"

We have created our own roadshow. It's gonna scare the daylights out of Westmonster. Say NO and you will be getting back the same bullsh*t. They're scared of their own jobs and portfolios, saying that there is no contingency plan for a YES vote, the most dangerous thing of all being HOPE.

[ktlight]

The British Establishment is hanging by a "Bawhair"


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"Published on 10 Sep 2014
The artist taxi driver"

chunkymark is not giving up, will not give up.

[ktlight]

People of Scotland- please vote No... I mean YES!


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"Published on 10 Sep 2014
In a week's time, on Thursday the 18th of September, the Scottish people will have a chance to vote on whether Scotland should be an independent country. I'm appealing to them: please vote No!... I mean YES!
See here for background: http://hpanwo-voice.blogspot.co.uk/20....
(CMR HPANWO Show special on Scottish Independence coming on Tuesday the 16th of September at 8 PM UK time. Watch this space for further details.)"

[AuCo]

Good news!

Well, not so sure for China. :(

[Billy]

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8 days to go and the NO campaign are flagging, Another disappointing Pole. :pound: :laugh: :rofl:

[Cidersomerset]

I have decided I want to keep the 'jocks' in the UK , otherwise
we are f......, with the prospect of Tory dominance in England !!!

I know you could turn it around and say Scotland will never
have a 'Tory' government again...( Which sounds good, and
could be the clincher). But That's selfish...LOL

UKIP may take some conservative seats, but in the long run
they are conservatives, so its not looking to good down
here. I might have to move to Scotland...LOL


Not sure how sincere this plea from the heart is , considering the above..

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[Marin]

Billy - that clip is priceless. Says it all....

:)

[Billy]

Today ALL fear mongering NWO leaders of Westminster cancelled all appointments and headed to Scotland to try and talk Scotland out of voting YES.

For the first time the three of them, Ed, David and Auld Nick mentioned the heart. It was a tactic, but they do not understand what the heart is. I am hoping that next week, On the 18th they will understand what the heart truly is.

90% of my English friend who are resident here in Scotland are voting Yes.

This is not about separating ourselves from our English, Welsh or Irish neighbours, but moving away from a corrupt and unfair system.
To my surprise and great delight around 3 million souls in Scotland have awakened this past few weeks and days. They see that the system is corrupt and now have the opportunity to change the system. Which in turn will change ALL systems.

Today it is on a knives edge. 50/50, It could go either way.

A request to Avalonian's, Let us forget about YES and NO. But can i ask you all to be with Scotland in spirit over this next week. That Scotland chooses to decide for the betterment and highest good of all humanity.

That should do it. :wizard:

[Billy]

In the meantime Scotland is fighting back the only way they know best. goodnight folks. :wave: :grouphug:

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[steveofengland]

The corporate bullying begins with asda (Walmart) & John Lewis saying if Scotland leaves prices will rise.
Meanwhile the governor of the Bank of England says higher taxes and levies on Scotland will be the outcome of independence.
Royal bank of Scotland and lloyds banking group say they will relocate to England

[Billy]

Thank you steveofengland. What you say is what the BBC said. But not what was actually said. This is how the Westminster BBC distort the truth and end up broadcasting lies.

Please watch.

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Peace.

[steveofengland]

Thanks billy, my info came from BBC radio 2 news yesterday. How easy it is to distort what's been said. It's sickening.

[mgray]

If you look at the list of people urging a No Vote, then you can clearly see that a Yes Vote should be cast.

[Billy]

6 days to go.

Because the goal posts have been illegally moved by Westmonster this past week. Some postal voters are regretting their choice and would like to change it. Now it is too late. This is unfair and illegal tactics by Westmonster.

http://news.sky.com/story/1334420/scotland-postal-voters-regretting-their-choice

Scotland Postal Voters 'Regretting Their Choice'

Sky's Joe Tidy finds some who have already put a cross on a ballot paper but are now wondering if they made the right decision.



By Joe Tidy, on island of Fetlar, the Shetland Islands

Voters forced to send in their ballots by post a week ago say they are "regretting their choice" after recent, dramatic events in the referendum debate.

Out of the 4.2 million referendum voters, almost 800,000 registered to vote by post.

Many are from remote communities like Fetlar island in the far north of the Shetland Islands. This small island only has 71 residents and no voting station.

Islanders there say they are angry that the Yes and Better Together campaigns have "moved the goalposts" since they had their say.

Murray Cooper moved from England to the island to retire. He's been here for five years and voted No, but regrets it.

"If I could vote now, I would definitely vote Yes," he said.

"Since I sent my ballot in about a week ago, so much has happened what with the party leaders coming up, new powers, more clarity from the Yes campaign on certain things.

"I'm quite angry that my vote has been wasted but I think the Yes will win anyway so I'm happy about that."

Elsewhere on the island, Kenny Ritchie says he is happy with his decision but has heard from other postal voters who would have changed their votes.

He said: "I know a few people who aren't happy with their votes. The ballots went out early and the campaigns have moved on.

"It's left people wishing they could vote again."

On Friday in Edinburgh, postal votes were already being processed with a week left of the referendum campaign.

A couple on Fetlar island told Sky News it's unfair that so much new information has come to light, particularly from the Better Together side in the last four or five days.

They have backed the No vote, but said: "The Better Together have shot themselves in the foot.

"They've offered all the extra powers to Scotland but it might be too late to persuade lots of postal voters.

[Billy]

The bigger picture.

The seeds for democratic Scottish-style referendum for independence are blowing in the wind and taking roots in Europe. :whoo:

Catalans call for 'yes' vote in Scotland as they march for independence from Spain

As Scotland decides whether to break away from the UK, 1.8 million separatists in northeastern Spain stage mass protests across Catalonia to demand a secession vote deemed illegal by Spanish government.

Up to 1.8 million Catalans filled the streets of Barcelona on Thursday demanding the chance to hold a Scottish-style referendum on independence.

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A week before Scotland goes to the polls on whether to break away from the United Kingdom, separatists in Spain’s northeastern region of Catalonia called for their own referendum as they celebrated their national day.

An official from Barcelona's nationalist-led city hall told reporters it estimated turnout for the demonstration at 1.8 million, but central government officials put the figure much lower.

The Spanish government delegation in Catalonia ‎calculated the figure at between 470,000 and 520,000, it said in a statement.

Crowds dressed in the red and yellow national colours of Catalonia filled the streets of the region’s capital to form a giant "V" stretching seven miles - the "V" sign stands for via (way), voluntat (will), votar (vote) and victoria (victory).

Balconies across the city were draped in the estelada – the yellow and red stripped flag topped by a star set in a blue triangle – and the crowds were interspersed by people climbing on others’ shoulders to form the traditional Catalan “human castles”.

Earlier in the day Artur Mas, the president of the semi-autonomous region, said that Scotland’s upcoming vote would boost his own region’s bid for independence.

Catalonia is battling to hold its own Scottish-style vote on independence on November 9 but is on a collision course with the Spanish government of Mariano Rajoy after Madrid branded such a referendum illegal.

"If the yes wins (in Scotland) then all of the European governments will have to accept the result, including Madrid. And I am convinced that the negotiations between Brussels, London and Edinburgh will start very quickly with the goal to keep Scotland in the European Union."

"The consequences for us are important. It raises the question that if the Scottish people have the right to decide then why not the Catalan people."

More Here. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/spain/11089867/Catalans-call-for-yes-vote-in-Scotland-as-they-march-for-independence-from-Spain.html

[steveofengland]

When Scotland leaves the clutches of the snakes in Westminster, can I move to Scotland please?

[Gardener]

Been having similar thoughts :)


When Scotland leaves the clutches of the snakes in Westminster, can I move to Scotland please?

Oh and Billy, my heartfelt intent for the most beautiful outcome for all.

[Billy]

Westminster BBC puppets caught out spinning lies yet again.

First the Lie from BBC's Nick Robinson. When he said Alex Salmond did not answer his question.

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:hand: Now hold on Nick.

Now the truth. Alex Salmond answering Auld Nick's question.

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And now Scotland are just finding out about the underhand secretive and illegal stealing of Scottish waters by Westmonster in 1999.

Quote:

In 1999, the UK establishment secretly reclassified 6,000 square miles of Scottish sea as English waters.

Craig Murray, the former British Ambassador to Uzbekistan, revealed this theft on his website back in 2012.

The main stream media has given little exposure to this important issue.

In this short video, Mr Murray explains the history of the theft, why it was done and what may be done in the future to rectify the situation.


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Naughty Westmonster. :fish:

[Cidersomerset]

This is strange , Nigel Farage is committed to leave the Common Market,
when Alex Salmond seems determined to stay in Europe if Scotland votes yes.

On another thread we were talking about Nigel , I'm not sure about him,
some of his views are refreshing. Yet this puts him firmly in the establishment.
As we speculated, he is a 'Thatcher conservative'. So he is not far from the
Westminster mindset and as shown with his recent trip to America and interviews
on Fox news and a meeting with Rupert Murdoch. Nigel is showing his true
'Blue' colours........

This has me questioning his 'rational'.....


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Scottish independence: UKIP leader Nigel Farage urges Queen to back No vote

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Ukip leader Nigel Farage has called on the Queen to intervene in the Scottish independence referendum.

Buckingham Palace issued a statement earlier this week saying the monarch was "above politics".

The palace said it was "categorically wrong" to suggest she would wish to influence the vote in
next week's referendum.

But speaking on LBC radio, Mr Farage said it could be argued that the Queen had a responsibility to speak.

The Ukip leader, who will be holding a rally in Glasgow later, said: "I completely understand her wanting
to keep out of politics and she has done it brilliantly over 60 years.

"But there are times where if the United Kingdom, over which she is the monarch, is threatened itself,
it might be right for her to say something.

"Let's say we got to this Sunday and it was still 50/50 in the polls, I personally think she should say something."

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Mr Farage said there was a precedent for the Queen intervening because she addressed independence
in her Silver Jubilee speech in 1977.

Queen Elizabeth II attends a Garden Party at Balmoral Castle in 2012
"She said very clearly I am the Queen of the entire United Kingdom," he said.

"So she said it before and it might be handy if she said it again."

Sources in Better Together, which is campaigning for a No campaign, dismissed Mr Farage's call for
the Queen to intervene as "absolutely preposterous".

Earlier this week Scotland's First Minister Alex Salmond said the Queen "will be proud" to be the
monarch of an independent Scotland.

The palace later insisted the referendum was "a matter for the people of Scotland".

A spokesman said: "The sovereign's constitutional impartiality is an established principle of our
democracy and one which the Queen has demonstrated throughout her reign.

"As such the monarch is above politics and those in political office have a duty to ensure that
this remains the case.

"Any suggestion that the Queen would wish to influence the outcome of the current referendum
campaign is categorically wrong."

The BBC's royal correspondent Peter Hunt said he understood that the comments were made in
response to calls for the Queen to speak out in favour of the union and not in response to Mr Salmond's remarks.

Under the plans for independence outlined in the Scottish government's white paper, the
Queen would remain head of state.

BBC assistant political editor Norman Smith said sources in the Better Together campaign strongly
criticised Mr Farage for suggesting the Queen should make a public statement of support for the union.

They insisted it would not be appropriate for the Queen to become involved.

No campaigners have urged the UKIP leader - whose trip to Scotland last year ended with him barricaded
inside a pub to escape protesters - to stay away for fear he will alienate traditional Labour supporters.

PA The Queen holding an audience with Scotland's First Minister Alex Salmond in Edinburgh in July
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But he insisted he intends to press ahead with an address to supporters in Glasgow, and said he had
"absolutely no intention of being incendiary at all".

Mr Farage told BBC Radio Four that the Scottish people were being sold a "false prospectus" by the
campaign for independence.

He said Scotland would not be independent and self-governing if it signed up to the EU.

The UKIP leader said that the currency was Alex Salmond's 'Achilles heel'

And he claimed Scotland would have to make a commitment to join the euro if it signed up to join the EU.

Mr Farage, whose party got 10% of the vote in Scotland and gained an MEP at the European Parliament
elections earlier this year, said: "People say 'of course Scotland is not as Europsceptic as England'. I tell
you something, it is not that far behind."

He added: "If the Scottish people want to separate from Westminster, want to be part of the EU state,
want the euro as their currency, then voting Yes is fine for them.

"But my job today is to say 'hold on, you are being sold a false prospectus'."

The SNP wants to keep the pound in the event of independence in a currency union with the rest of the UK.

A spokesman for Yes Scotland said: "The pound is Scotland's currency every bit as much as the rest of
the UK's, and it will remain our currency after independence."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-29170924

[Cidersomerset]

Labour can’t win without its band of Scots MPs: A Yes vote next week would spell crisis for Miliband government

Friday 12th September 2014 at 11:57 By david-icke


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‘On Wednesday, David Cameron said many people had told him the Conservatives would
do better at Westminster if the Scots vote for independence.

Analysis of opinion polls and election results since 1945 shows that this is indisputably true.

In 2010, the 41 seats won by Labour north of the border denied Mr Cameron an outright
victory and forced him into Coalition with Nick Clegg’s Liberal Democrats.

In Scotland, the Tories won just one seat. Across the rest of the UK, the Tories were
elected in 52 per cent of constituencies.’

Read more: Labour can't win without its band of Scots MPs: A Yes vote next week
would spell crisis for Miliband government


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Salmond claims journalist ‘heckled’ him at conference

Friday 12th September 2014 at 11:56 By david-icke


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‘Scotland’s First Secretary Alex Salmond has engaged in a heated press
conference exchange with BBC News political editor Nick Robinson, who
repeatedly asked him to answer his question on independence’s potential
impact on banking relocations.

Mr Robinson spoke out as Mr Salmond concluded his initial answer with
an appeal to the BBC to name a Treasury source who he alleges briefed
journalists on “market sensitive information” about Royal Bank of Scotland.’

Read more: Salmond claims journalist 'heckled' him at conference

http://www.itv.com/news/update/2014-09-11/salmond-shouts-down-heckles-from-bbcs-robinson/

[Gardener]

Traditional spiritually of Scotland, unicorns, corrupt monarchies and the Christian subjugation of the region is explored in this Buzzsaw interview hosted by Sean Stone.

A fascinating viewpoint. Mentions the Declaration of Arbroath http://www.constitution.org/scot/arbroath.htm
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[Billy]

4 days to go.

Thank you for the Video Gardener. A man after my own heart. Myself and another Avalon member who makes video's, were intending to make a video for this time in Scotland's history. But circumstances changed this last couple of years. My friend moved away and i have become a 24/7 carer. Just last week i was being a tat disappointed at not making the video in time for the referendum. My inner voice kicked in and said. " You have already done it"

This is a video my friend and i made a few years ago. And now having just watched the above video, my inner voice may be correct after all.
Here you go. Unicorn at the beginning, Sinclair's of Rosslyn.Their landing in Canada in 1398. The Declaration of Arbroath 1320. And how this influenced the America declaration of Independence. :grouphug:

For freedom alone.

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more links for references. Knights Templar and the American Indians.
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?59768-Scott-Wolter-the-Kensington-Runestone-the-Knights-Templar-and-American-Indians

Rosslyn Chapel. Posted just a few days ago.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?74718-Rosslyn-secrets-decoded...-Never-seen-before-

Peace

[Gardener]

Yes Billy " You have already done it". Beautiful.

[Cidersomerset]

I am surprised 'Security and Terror' has not raised its head , with the beheading
of the Brit by ISIS and Cameron calling a 'COBRA' meeting today. As many PM's
in the past a crisis is the best way to keep a country focused on security rather
than reform or rights......

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14 September 2014 Last updated at 18:52

David Haines: PM says Britain will 'hunt down' IS killers

David Cameron: "They are not Muslims, they are monsters"

The UK will take "whatever steps are necessary" to keep safe after a video showing
the killing of hostage David Haines was issued by Islamic State militants, the prime
minister has said.

David Cameron said the UK would "hunt down" the killers of the aid worker, whom
he called a "British hero".

He said the "menace" of IS had to be destroyed in a "calm, deliberate" way.

In the video, IS also threatened to kill a second Briton, who has been named as Alan Henning, 47.

Mr Henning, a married father-of-two from Salford, worked as a taxi driver and was
a volunteer on an aid convoy

Read more...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-29197931

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The other story was about moving the nuclear sub fleet from Scotland to
the US and the loss of Scottish jobs in that and connecting business.

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EXCLUSIVE: Send British nukes to US if Scotland votes Yes say military chiefs

BRITAIN’S independent nuclear deterrent should be moved to the United States if
Scotland gains its independence next week, senior military figures have said.

By: Marco Giannangeli
Published: Sun, September 14, 2014

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BRITAIN’S independent nuclear deterrent should be moved to the Unites States if
Scotland gains its independence next week, senior military figures have said.

Speaking to the Sunday Express they said the plan would ensure that our four
Trident missile-carrying Vanguard submarines would not remain in the hands of a
Non-Nato foreign country and deprive Scottish First Minister Alex Salmond of
any “leverage” in post -independence negotiations.

The call, which one senior US politician last night said would be “overwhelmingly
supported” in Congress, comes only two days after Ministry of Defence chiefs finally
green-lighted an impact assessment study on Britain’s defence in the event of a Yes
vote on Thursday.

Last night Whitehall sources confirmed they were “very alive” to the US option,
though, officially, the Ministry of Defence refused to confirm it was making any
provisions for independence.

Speaking last night, Air Commodore Andrew Lambert, now attached to the UK
National Defence Association, said: “The great leverage that Alex Salmond currently
has over the British Government is the location of our nuclear defence base at
Faslane. If the vote is Yes, we should move heaven and earth to move all our
submarines out of Faslane as quickly as possible.

“We must decide how important, in the short term, the word independence is in
terms of our nuclear deterrent. After all, we rely on the US for our missiles and for
an awful lot of intelligence. Would it make a huge amount of difference if we asked
the US if we could use a base to place our nuclear deterrent there as a temporary
measure?

“We could easily run Trident from the US for ten years, and prepare the rest of the
UK for whatever the follow on might be.”

The Clyde naval base is currently the largest single employment site in Scotland,
currently responsible for 6,700 jobs though this is set to increase to 8,200 jobs.

A recent report by the Royal United Services Institute think tank estimated that
recreating the facilities to house Britain’s nuclear deterrent south of the border
would cost around £3bn and take up to ten years. But the costs of “renting space”
in the US would be relatively small.





Read More....

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/510636/Nuclear-weapons-should-move-to-US-if-Scotland-independent

[Cidersomerset]

You would have thought George would be in the 'YES' camp , but he explains how
an independent Scotland would be undermined...........George says Alex Salmond
wants to join NATO , which sounds odd considering he is so anxious to get rid
of the nuclear subs.



George Galloway on Scottish independence - Sunday Politics - 14th September 2014

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George Galloway and Andrew Neil on Scottish independence.


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Nigel Farage explains his views better in this speech......


Nigel Farage: Scottish Independence Is Not About Independence, It Is About More
EU Control Over Scotland

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Scottish independence: Nigel Farage visit highlights divide in Glasgow

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Published on 13 Sep 2014


By Alastair Good

Hoping to avoid the violent scenes of his last visit to Scotland in May, when Mr Farage was
forced to seek police protection from an angry group of protesters, this time the Ukip leader
was rushed in the side door of his party’s rally in Glasgow city centre on Friday night.

Outside the venue a small crowd had gathered to shout anti Ukip slogans and boo Ukip
members as they went in. Joshua Brown of activist group, StanduptoUKIP.org explained
that he was there to tell Nigel Farage that "racist, sexist, homophobes, islamaphobes and
xenophobes are not welcome here".

Supporters of Ukip were thin on the ground outside the venue, represented by a man
carrying the flag of the St Patricks cross from the Union Jack and, perhaps surprisingly,
a group of young girls who arrived with Union Jack flags draped around their shoulders.
They said they were all sixteen and would be voting no in the coming referendum as they
were concerned about Alex Salmond’s immigration policy. As protesters and press waited
at the front of the venue, a black SUV raced up to the side entrance and Mr Farage was
bundled in by his security team, not even pausing to look back at the photographers who
had rushed around the building when they realised what had happened.

In his speech the Ukip leader concentrated his message on trying to convince Scottish voters
that a yes vote would lead not to independence but simply to separation from England. An
independent Scotland that was still a part of the EU, he said, would be ‘small and pretty irrelevant’.
As Ukip members left the event they were again booed by the waiting crowd but for some
it didn’t matter how much anger was directed at them, waving a Union flag one man insisted
"we are not surrendering our flag, never ever ever".

Get the latest headlines http://www.telegraph.co.uk/

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BBC News - Scottish independence Barroso says joining EU would be difficult

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BBC News - Scottish independence Barroso says joining EU would be difficult

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UK: Salmond hits out at "big battalions" sent in by Downing Street

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[Billy]

2 days to go.

A little history of Westmonster's secrets, murders and lies concerning the oil boom and independence. Plus 40 Nuclear leaks at Faslane.

Part 1.
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part 2.

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part 3.

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part 4. only 3mins

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[Billy]

I believe that voting YES could be a hope for safe gaurding our human rights, the planet and all she holds and the redemption of humanity.

How are our American cousins coping with the loss or their civil and human rights being pulled from under them?

Westminster are making the same noises with regards to changing laws, acts and statutes and mind sets of our police and military
From innocent until proven guilty to guilty until proven innocent
From no detained imprisonment without trial to prolonged detained imprisonment without a trial
From looking after the weaker classes of society to deliberately going out their way to demoralize them, make things harder, un fairer!
They already make things hard enough, getting into our psych, keeping us at a low vibration, debt society etc etc

Blessed be those who can still see the difference of right and wrong!

It does'nt stop after Scotland gets independence, its just the start, it is however a magical chance to give example of a new way, we'll need support though, positive conscious thought to not allow any evils take over again, peace, equality and harmony throughout!

Its time to WAKE UP, RISE and SHINE!

We can weaken the evils that govern our world!

Goodbye Westmonster!

Come on humanity! Come on Scotland, come on YES!

May your choices reflect your hopes, not your fears!


PS. The above comment, was a message from my Daughter Liah.

Peace.

[Billy]

Tommy Sheridan might have just sealed Independence for Scotland.

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[Billy]

Tomorrow the People of Scotland Decide. Whatever the choice may it be for the betterment of all.

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peace.

[aheb]

I don't like this fella, but I like this video

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[Dennis Leahy]

When will the people of Scotland (and England, and Wales, and Northern Ireland..and the rest of us know how the referendum turned out?

Dennis

[Roisin]

Scots Independence: Final poll puts “AYE” ahead by six percentage points

Scootlund wis heading tae a nail-biting finale in th' vote oan independence, th' final survey o' th' twa 'n' a hauf year referendum campaign suggested. Th' survey fur ipsos mori, published by th' london forenicht standard, as voting wis underway pat na oan 47 per cent 'n' aye oan 53 per cent. Wi' a margin o' error o' three per cent, that confirmed a series o' recent polls showing th' contest wis finely balanced.

It an' a' fun that, despite th' torrent o' publicity fae baith camps, that four per cent o' scots wha ur certain tae vote hud aye nae made up thair minds.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/scottish-independence/scottish-independence-final-poll-puts-yes-ahead-by-six-percentage-points-9741019.html

[greybeard]

When will the people of Scotland (and England, and Wales, and Northern Ireland..and the rest of us know how the referendum turned out?

Dennis

Before 7am on Friday (tomorrow here) Dennis
There will be results possibly by one am and a trend will show fairly early on.
Here in Inverness I would say Yes is well in the lead----an amazing number of yes stickers in house windows and quite a few cars driving around with the flag of Scotland.
So here we go.

Best wishes
Chris

[Billy]

Estimated times for poll results Friday 19th AM. in each county


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[Billy]

If Anyone would like to join in the fun. This is a RT livestream in George Square Glasgow. 8pm just now here. As the night goes it should get more lively.
The livestream took a few attempts to load for me. Keep trying.

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A Song for the moment.
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peace.

[Billy]

The Polling Stations are now closed. The count begins.

I think i may stay up all night tonight. :yes4:

[avid]

let's hope the votes aren't fiddled with by corporatocracy

[Gardener]

BBC Scotland reporter Andrew Black at 23.41 posted this:

Veteran Lib Dem politician Lord Steel, who's at the Ingliston count looking dapper as usual, tells me a young voter came up to him in the street in Selkirk this morning.

He was on the way the polling station but still had no idea how he was going to vote.

"It was an experience I've never had in my long years in politics," Lord Steel says, adding: "I made a last-minute conversion."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/events/scotland-decides/live
This must be happening all over, maybe in the last minutes people listened to their heart.

[Billy]

Whispers of poll interference :noidea:

No matter the outcome, A change has already happened, I have been blown away by the way Scotland engaged in this amazing referendum. Possibly a 90% turnout, The debates have been deep and soul searching.

I feel this country as a whole, and Europe, will never be the same again after tomorrow.

Peace.

[Dennis Leahy]

John Oliver's (humorous) take on the situation:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YkLPxQp_y0

Dennis

[T Smith]

I'm completely ignorant on the methods employed in the UK to tally the vote, but if it's via blackbox voting, or anything like here in the US, the results have long since been finalized. The only thing left to play out is the theatrics of it all. (I will reiterate, I am completely ignorant of the process; the elections in the UK may well have much more integrity than the so-called "democratic" process of which I am intimately familiar).

My guess is, however, after a nail-bitter, the people of Scotland, after a "closely" contested count, shall have spoken. That is, the people of Scotland shall have spoken (and not the PTB) and they shall decide, by the thinnest of margins, to remain a part of the UK.

[Carmody]

the big problem is that a win of 51%, is as far from a majority as one could possibly be.

That means that, by any reckoning, fully half of Scotland wants nothing to do with London and it's decisions regarding Scottish affairs.

[araucaria]

No Diebold machines I gather, but it seems to be a No vote. As Carmody suggests, a 45%+ vote is actually a huge win that London didn't see coming. The people are becoming ungovernable by the incumbent elite of every shade, who are really scraping the barrel for personnel. Here in France we have a prime minister who won only 5% of his own party's presidential primary, and no one is surprised it is not working. In this Scottish vote, the system has been bailed out one last time. The level not only of disregard for ordinary people but of sheer incompetence is stupendous. The economy is like a leaky bucket with a hole that has grown so large that the bucket is no longer fit for purpose. You no longer need to be a conspiracy theorist to see that.

[Cidersomerset]

I was personally split 50/50 to whether I wanted the Scots to leave. My heart
said go for it, but my head said we needed the social conscious of Scotland
to help change the whole of UK politics beginning in Westminster and the
monarchy.......


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Scottish referendum: How will the result be decided? BBC News
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Published on 18 Sep 2014
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Scottish referendum: Scotland votes 'no' to independence

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Published on 19 Sep 2014


Scotland has voted 'no' in the independence referendum and will stay a part of the
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Scotland votes 'no': Salmond accepts defeat

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Published on 18 Sep 2014

Scottish voters have rejected independence, deciding to remain part of the United
Kingdom after a historic referendum that shook the country to its core. Scots voted
55 percent to 45 percent against independence.

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Scotland votes 'no' to independence in historic referendum

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Published on 18 Sep 2014


Scotland voters have opted to continue as part of the United Kingdom in a historic
referendum vote. Our Nahlah Ayed reports from Edinburgh.





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19 September 2014 Last updated at 08:21

Scottish referendum: Scotland votes 'No' to independenceComments


Short vid on link......http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-29270441

Scotland has voted to stay in the United Kingdom after voters decisively rejected
independence.

With the results in from all 32 council areas, the "No" side polled 2,001,926, votes
to 1,617,989 for "Yes".

Scotland's First Minister Alex Salmond called for unity and urged the unionist
parties to deliver on more powers.

UK Prime Minister David Cameron said he was delighted the UK would remain
together and said the commitments on extra powers would be honoured.

Mr Cameron said the three main unionist parties at Westminster would now follow
through with their pledge to deliver more powers to the Scottish Parliament.

"We will ensure that those commitments are honoured in full," he said.

He announced that Lord Smith of Kelvin, who led Glasgow's staging of the
Commonwealth Games, would oversee the process to take forward the
commitments, with new powers over tax, spending and welfare to be agreed by
November, and draft legislation published by January.

The prime minister also acknowledged that the people of England, Wales and
Northern Ireland must have a bigger say over their affairs.

And he promised a resolution to the West Lothian question - the fact that Scottish
MPs can vote on English issues at Westminster.

"In Wales there are proposals to give the Welsh Government and Assembly more
powers and I want Wales to be at the heart of the debate on how to make the
United Kingdom work for all our nations," he said.

In other developments:

The pound hit a two-year high against the euro and a two-week high against the
US dollar, as Scotland voted against independence.
Royal Bank of Scotland said it would keep its headquarters in Scotland following
the "No" vote.

Scotland rejected independence by 55% to 45%. For latest results and full
coverage, go to bbc.co.uk/scotland-decides.
The result became a mathematical certainty at 06:08, as the returning officer in
Fife announced a comfortable No vote.

Shortly afterwards, Mr Salmond said he accepted the defeat and called for national unity.

He said the referendum and the high turnout had been a "triumph for the
democratic process" and promised to keep his pledge in the Edinburgh Agreement
which paved the way for the referendum to respect the result and work for the
benefit of Scotland and the United Kingdom.

Short Vid on link.....http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-29270441

The moment the No side won an unassailable lead over the Yes camp

He told supporters: "The unionist parties made vows late in the campaign to
devolve more powers to Scotland.

"Scotland will expect these to be honoured in rapid course - as a reminder, we have
been promised a second reading of a Scotland Bill by March 27 next year.

"Not just the 1.6 million Scots who voted for independence will demand that
timetable is followed but all Scots who participated in this referendum will demand
that timetable is followed."

Mr Salmond said he would shortly speak to the Prime Minister on the results.

But he highlighted the "empowerment" of first-time voters, including 16 and 17-year-olds.

And the First Minister said: "Whatever else we can say about this referendum
campaign, we have touched sections of the community who have never before been
touched by politics, these sections of the community have touched us and touched
the political process.

Short Vid on link......http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-29270441

Alex Salmond: "I call on all of Scotland to follow suit in accepting the democratic
verdict of the people of Scotland"

"I don't think that will ever be allowed to go back to business as usual in politics again."

In a rallying call to his supporters, Mr Salmond urged the Yes voters to reflect on
how far they had come.

"I don't think any of us, whenever we entered politics, would have thought such a
thing to be either credible or possible," he said.

"Over the last few weeks we have seen a scare and a fear of enormous proportions
- not a scaremongering directed at the Scottish people but the scare and the fear at
the heart of the Westminster establishment as they realise the mass movement of
people that was going forward in Scotland.

"Today of all days as we bring Scotland together, let us not dwell on the distance
we have fallen short, let us dwell on the distance we have travelled and have
confidence the movement is abroad in Scotland that will take this nation forward
and we shall go forward as one nation."

This margin of victory for the Better Together campaign - 55% to 45% - was
greater by about 3% than that anticipated by the final opinion polls. The winning
total needed was 1,852,828.

Speaking in Downing Street, Mr Cameron said the result was decisive.

He said: "Now the debate has been settled for a generation, or as Alex Salmond
has said: 'Perhaps for a lifetime'.

"So their can be no disputes, no re-runs; we have heard the will of the Scottish people."


Short Vid on link.....

David Cameron: ''Like millions of other people, I am delighted''

The prime minister also spoke of the implications for the other nations of the UK.

"In Wales there are proposals to give the Welsh Government and Assembly more
powers and I want Wales to be at the heart of the debate on how to make the
United Kingdom work for all our nations," he said.

"In Northern Ireland, we must work to ensure that the devolved institutions function effectively."

'English voices'

Mr Cameron said "millions of voices of England must also be heard".

"The question of English votes for English laws, the so-called West Lothian
question, requires a decisive answer so just as Scotland will vote separately in the
Scottish Parliament on their issues on tax, spending and welfare, so too England as
well as Wales and Northern Ireland should be able to vote on these issues.

"And all this must take place in tandem with and at the same pace as the
settlement for Scotland."

Mr Cameron said the referendum had "stirred strong passions", "electrified politics
in Scotland and caught the imagination of people across the whole of our United Kingdom".

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Scottish referendum results in detail

He concluded: "It will be remembered as a powerful demonstration of the strength
and vitality of our ancient democracy."

Alistair Darling, who led the Better Together campaign, said the people of Scotland
had "chosen unity over division and positive change rather than needless separation".

"It is a momentous result for Scotland and also for the United Kingdom as a whole," he said.

Mr Darling said the result had "reaffirmed all that we have in common and the
bonds that tie us together", adding: "Let them never be broken."

He also acknowledged that the campaign had highlighted the need for change.

No supporters celebrate
"As we celebrate, let us also listen," he said.

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"More than 85% of the Scottish population has voted. People who were disengaged
from politics have turned out in large numbers.

"While they have voted on the constitution, that was not the only or perhaps the
major issue that drove them to the polls.

"Every political party must listen to their cry for change, which could be echoed in
every part of our United Kingdom but had this opportunity to express itself in Scotland."

Mr Darling thanked his "great team of volunteers" who had worked on the Better
Together campaign.

'Real disappointment'

He added: "You represent the majority of opinion. Your voices have been heard. We
have taken on the argument and won. The silent have spoken."

Mr Salmond's deputy, Nicola Sturgeon, said in an earlier concession statement that
there was a "real sense of disappointment that we have fallen narrowly short of
securing a 'Yes' vote".

But she said the country had been "changed forever" and vowed to work
with "anyone in any way" to secure more powers for Scotland.

The vote was the culmination of a two-year campaign. Talks will now begin on
devolving more powers to Scotland.

Glasgow, Scotland's largest council area and the third largest city in Britain, voted
in favour of independence by 194,779 to 169,347, with Dundee, West
Dunbartonshire and North Lanarkshire also voting "Yes".

But Edinburgh, the nation's capital, rejected independence by 194,638 to 123,927,
while Aberdeen City voted "No" by a margin of more than 20,000 votes.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-29270441
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[Cidersomerset]

Articles from David Ickes site this morning.....


Vote Fraud in Scottish referendum

new Friday 19th September 2014 at 09:02 By david-icke


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‘In Dundee, a strong YES area, the count was suspended twice due to fire alarms.

The turnout in the strong YES area of Dundee was 78.8%, which is lower than the 85% turnout in Scotland as a whole

In Dundee, ‘Yes’ ballot papers were spotted on a ‘No’ table.’

Read more: Vote Fraud in Scottish referendum


Does This Video Show Vote Rigging In The Scottish Independence Vote?

new Friday 19th September 2014 at 08:55 By david-icke


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http://aanirfan.blogspot.co.uk/2014/09/vote-fraud-in-scottish-referendum.html



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Scottish referendum: Police investigate electoral fraud probe in Glasgow

new Friday 19th September 2014 at 08:54 By david-icke


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Scottish referendum: Police investigate electoral fraud probe in Glasgow

THE Scottish referendum count was brought into controversy after reports of 10
cases of electoral fraud in Glasgow emerged.



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‘Police at the Emirates Stadium in the Scottish city said they were investigating
possible cases of double vote impersonation where people pretend to be someone
else, cast a vote and then the real person later turns up to vote again.

Colin Edgar, spokesman for the Counting Officer, said: “What appears to have
happened is somebody has arrived at the polling station and given their name and
asked to vote.

“The polling clerk has gone to cross off their name and it appears that they have
already voted, so what we did was contact the police straight away.’

Read more: Scottish referendum: Police investigate electoral fraud probe in Glasgow

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/512527/Scottish-referendum-Police-investigate-electoral-fraud-probe-Glasgow

[Billy]

Oh well, As they say, Easy come easy go. It was exciting while it lasted.

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A Statement from First Minister Alex Salmond. He intends to stand down.

http://www.snp.org/media-centre/news/2014/sep/statement-first-minister-alex-salmond

Fri, 19/09/2014 - 16:18

Alex Salmond has announced his intention to stand down as SNP Leader at the Party’s Annual Conference in November and then as First Minister when the SNP have elected the next Leader following a membership ballot.

Speaking from Bute House, the First Minister said

“I am immensely proud of the campaign which Yes Scotland fought and of the 1.6 million voters who rallied to that cause by backing an independent Scotland.

"I am also proud of the 85 per cent turnout in the referendum and the remarkable response of all of the people of Scotland who participated in this great constitutional debate and the manner in which they conducted themselves.

"We now have the opportunity to hold Westminster’s feet to the fire on the “vow” that they have made to devolve further meaningful power to Scotland. This places Scotland in a very strong position.

"I spoke to the Prime Minister today and, although he reiterated his intention to proceed as he has outlined, he would not commit to a second reading vote by 27th March on a Scotland Bill. That was a clear promise laid out by Gordon Brown during the campaign. The Prime Minister says such a vote would be meaningless. I suspect he cannot guarantee the support of his party.

"But today the point is this. The real guardians of progress are not the politicians at Westminster, or even at Holyrood, but the energised activism of tens of thousands of people who I predict will refuse meekly to go back into the political shadows.

"For me right now , therefore there is a decision as to who is best placed to lead this process forward politically.

"I believe that in this new exciting situation, redolent with possibility, Party, Parliament and country would benefit from new leadership.

"Therefore I have told the National Secretary of the SNP that I will not accept nomination to be a candidate for leader at the Annual Conference in Perth on 13th-15th November.

"After the membership ballot I will stand down as First Minister to allow the new leader to be elected by due Parliamentary process.

"Until then I will continue to serve as First Minister. After that I will continue to offer to serve as Member of the Scottish Parliament for Aberdeenshire East.

"It has been the privilege of my life to serve Scotland as First Minister. But as I said often during the referendum campaign this is not about me or the SNP. It is much more important than that.

"The position is this. We lost the referendum vote but can still carry the political initiative. More importantly Scotland can still emerge as the real winner."

ENDS

[Flash]

It looks soooooooo much like the first quebec referendum, even the comments in the press are basically the same. Scotts and French Quebecers borh confronted the British oligarchy and the incredible amount of money and tactics to ensure servility.

Scotts should have asked us what went wrong in order to do different and get other results. Brain washing was on both sides of the debate for sure.

[Cidersomerset]

Its very ironic a couple of days after this vote a movie about the elites who run this
country is released portraying the 'infamous' Bullingdon club who's former
members run London and the UK....

Its a shame this was not released last week in Edinburgh/Glasgow...LOL



The Riot Club: inside Bullingdon - interview with Laura Wade & Max Irons | Channel 4 News



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Published on 13 Sep 2014


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Channel 4 News catches up with Laura Wade and Max Irons to discuss The Riot Club, the film adaptation of Wade's play, Posh.

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Bullingdon Club Eton.....The Riot Club: 'It's hard to believe these people actually exist'



This is quite timely with the Scottish independence vote just finished .Although
only a tiny percentage of the country they get nearly all the privilege and power...

This is not only in the UK, US , Saudi but all over the world even in China
and North Korea. This is what the fight for equality is about, and for the
many millions if not billions living to serve the 1%'s........

This is why not only the UK but world elitism should finally resigned to history'
with Kings , Queens. Popes , Sheiks , princes and all the other pompous titles
including. 'Our beloved Supreme leader ' in North Korea....LOL


Read more.....
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?75105-Bullingdon-Club-Eton.....The-Riot-Club-It-s-hard-to-believe-these-people-actually-exist&p=878407#post878407

Re: Bojo v Barack? New York-born Boris says he could be President Johnson


Yes Thanks Ellisa he was descended from German royalty it ties in very well with the Eton boys being in power at the moment
in three of the most importent political positions in British Politics ....

Prime Minister...David Cameron...... Eton
Chancellor........George Osbourne... Eton
Mayor of London.."BORIS"............. Eton

'Scull & Bones anyone there is more than this than just coincidence as David Icke said on the Alex Jones thread I put up
with David Yesterday.....2012...Jubilee years for the "Liz'''ards"....Rothchilds "Zionist olympics" ...All power to the
Elite Etonians......This is a light thread with " DARK SATURNIC UNDERTONES"..LOL..

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Cameron 2...Boris 8


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Osbourne and Rothchilds....

Its Just a " COINCIDENCE"!!!

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?75105-Bullingdon-Club-Eton.....The-Riot-Club-It-s-hard-to-believe-these-people-actually-exist&p=878407#post878407

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If it was shown in Scotland it might have sparked.......

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Alex Salmond announces his resignation | Channel 4 News

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Published on 19 Sep 2014
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Alex Salmond resigned as leader of the SNP party and will quit as First Minister of
Scotland after losing the independence referendum.



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Salmond to go after Scotland No vote

First Minister, Alex Salmond: "For me as leader my time is nearly over"
Continue reading the main story
Scotland DecidesScotland votes 'No' to independence
Scottish referendum results Live
In maps: How close was the vote?
The morning after the No before

Alex Salmond is to step down as Scottish first minister after voters decisively rejected independence.

Short vid on link.....http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-29277527


He will also resign as leader of the Scottish National Party (SNP) after the "No" side
won Thursday's referendum by 2,001,926 to 1,617,989 for "Yes".

The national split of the vote was 55% for "No" to 45% for "Yes".

Mr Salmond said: "For me as leader my time is nearly over, but for
Scotland the campaign continues and the dream shall never die."

Meanwhile, UK Prime Minister David Cameron said the pro-Union
Westminster parties would now deliver their campaign pledge to
boost the powers of Scotland's devolved parliament.

Speaking from Bute House in Edinburgh, the first minister's official
residence, Mr Salmond told journalists: "I am immensely proud of
the campaign that Yes Scotland fought and particularly of the
1.6 million voters who rallied to that cause."

Mr Salmond, 59, who has led his party for a total of 20 years, also
said there were a "number of eminently qualified and very suitable
candidates for leader", although the current deputy first minister
Nicola Sturgeon, also deputy SNP leader, is seen as a clear frontrunner.

Ms Sturgeon said she could "think of no greater privilege than to
seek to lead the party I joined when I was just 16," but said she
would not make an announcement today.

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She added: "Alex Salmond's achievements as SNP leader and Scotland's
first minister are second to none. He led the SNP into government and
has given our country a renewed self confidence."

Mr Salmond, who is Scotland's longest-serving first minister, said he
would resign as SNP leader at the party's conference in November.

He will then stand down as first minister when the party elects its
next leader in a membership ballot.

Mr Salmond, who will stay on as MSP for Aberdeenshire East, added:
"It has been the privilege of my life to serve Scotland as first minister.

"But, as I said often during the referendum campaign, this is not about
me or the SNP. It is much more important than that.

"The position is this. We lost the referendum vote but can still carry the
political initiative. More importantly Scotland can still emerge as the real winner."

Mr Salmond also used his resignation statement to question
Mr Cameron's more powers pledge.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-29277527

[Billy]

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/sep/19/russia-calls-foul-scottish-referendum

Russia cries foul over Scottish independence vote

Russian observers say referendum count took place in rooms that were too big and did not meet international standards.

has said the conduct of the Scottish referendum "did not meet international standards", with its observers complaining the count took place in rooms that were too big and that the procedure was badly flawed.

In an apparent attempt to mirror persistent western criticism of Russia's own elections, Igor Borisov – an accredited observer – said the poll failed to meet basic international norms.

Borisov and three other Russians arrived in Edinburgh on Wednesday evening, the state news agency Ria Novosti reported. The team from Moscow's Public Institute of Suffrage watched voting take place in the Scottish capital and the surrounding area. It also met with Scottish politicians, voters and representatives from non-governmental organisations, Ria said.

Borisov said he was unimpressed by what he saw. He said the room where he watched the count on Thursday night was a cavernous "aircraft hangar" next to an airfield. It was difficult to see what was going on, he said, adding: "The hangar is approximately 100m by 300m. There are tables, with voting papers stacked upon them, but the observers are stuck around the perimeter. Even if you want to, it's impossible to tell what's happening. It's also unclear where the boxes with ballot papers come from."

Borisov said the US state department, the UK and other western countries loudly hectored the Kremlin about Russia's supposed democratic deficiencies. But in this instance, he said, London and Edinburgh had not "fully met" the requirements of a proper referendum.

"Nobody was interested in who was bringing in the voting slips. There were no stamps or signatures as the bulletins were handed over," he said.

Supporters of the Russian president, Vladimir Putin, had been fervently hoping for a yes vote. Some Russian nationalists had even fixed yes badges to their Twitter profiles, with one –Konstantin Rykov – adding a "Mc" to the front of his Cyrillic surname. (The badge and "Mc" had disappeared by Friday morning). The Kremlin apparently saw Scottish independence as a way of justifying its own hasty annexation of Crimea in March, following a "referendum" conducted in just three weeks and condemned by the west, as armed Russian forces and irregulars swarmed over the Crimean peninsula. Moscow also felt that a yes vote would weaken the UK and bring to power a post-independence Scottish government more amenable to Moscow's wishes. Alex Salmond, Scotland's first minister, expressed qualified admiration for President Putin in an interview with GQ in March.

The Kremlin propaganda channel RT, meanwhile, speculated that the result might have been rigged and expressed surprise at the "North Korean" levels of turnout.

Afshin Rattansi, the presenter of RT's Going Underground show, said there were "international considerations", such as the UK's nuclear deterrent, which had affected the outcome. He said: "With the vote as close as this, with the mainstream media on one side, with a massive amount of people from Westminster running up to beg Scotland the other way, and certain recounts in certain bits of the poll, which way did the vote go, really?"

He added: "It is normally the sort of turnout you would expect in North Korea. Usually media here would go 'we don't believe it. How can it be nearly 90%?'"

read more here: http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/sep/19/russia-calls-foul-scottish-referendum

Peace

[Gardener]

I think I agree with the Russian viewpoint, the checking at every stage is totally missing, not watched over, signed for, rechecked, otherwise how could those YES votes be sat on the NO table. It would take longer but so what?

Speachless *sigh*

[Billy]

Where are the 665, 408 missing votes out of the 485,323 who took the effort to register for a vote. Allowing for the few hundreds of spoiled votes. And a few thousand that chose not to turn up.


4,285,323 people - the electorate - registered to vote
Results : NO - 2,001,926
YES - 1,617,989
=3,619915 votes counted.
What happened to the missing 665, 408 voters who registered to vote?

[avid]

The whole thing stinks - youtube is full of evidence of corruption.
Folk adding crosses, a mad woman swapping votes all the time. stockpiling YES votes in NO piles...the banksters were in control that day, and Scotland was ripped off.....
What a surprise!!! (NOT)

[araucaria]

Where are the 665, 408 missing votes out of the 485,323 who took the effort to register for a vote. Allowing for the few hundreds of spoiled votes. And a few thousand that chose not to turn up.


4,285,323 people - the electorate - registered to vote
Results : NO - 2,001,926
YES - 1,617,989
=3,619915 votes counted.
What happened to the missing 665, 408 voters who registered to vote?
They are the abstainers. 85% is a huge turnout, but a 15% abstention is still that many people.

Interesting round numbers though: almost exactly 2 million, and 1.618 million Yes votes (equals phi, the golden section)

[Cidersomerset]

I'm going thru David Ickes headline page a few articles from yesterday and today.....

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VOTER FRAUD: Was the Scottish Independence Referendum Rigged to Fail?

Saturday 20th September 2014 at 11:20 By david-icke

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‘It has been confirmed that the names of 10 people were already crossed off a voter list prior them voting inside a polling station.

According to reports, the Glasgow City Council confirmed that there were ten cases of suspected electoral fraud occurring at
polling stations following the Scottish referendum vote on the 18th. As authorities have been investigating thousands have
gathered outside in George Square, Glasgow, which has been dubbed “Independence Square,” in the time leading up to the vote.

Scotland on Sunday published a piece in early September suggesting the integrity of the electoral register was called
into question a month prior to the historic vote:’

Read more …

http://21stcenturywire.com/2014/09/20/voter-fraud-was-the-scottish-independence-referendum-rigged-to-fail/

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Russian Election Observers: Westminster Rigged Scottish Independence Vote

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‘The head of Russia’s election observation body has sensationally accused the British government in Westminster
of rigging the Scottish Independence vote, asserting that there were more ‘yes’ votes than ‘no’ votes despite the
no campaign claiming victory.

Following a political battle that captured global attention, the ‘Better Together’ campaign beat off their pro-independence
adversaries in securing a 55%-45% success after yesterday’s voting, meaning Scotland stays a part of the United Kingdom.

However, in a move undoubtedly tied to Moscow’s increasing hostilities with the British government, which
vehemently backed the ‘no’ campaign, the head of one of the country’s top election observer groups controversially
claimed today that the vote was fixed.’

Read more: Russian Election Observers: Westminster Rigged Scottish Independence Vote


http://www.prisonplanet.com/russian-election-observers-westminster-rigged-scottish-independence-vote.html

[Cidersomerset]

The tide goes out

Saturday 20th September 2014 at 11:25 By david-icke


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‘We stand on the shore of the sea loch, and watch the tide go out. Now is the
time to shelter the flame of hope from the howling gale. No has won through
fear and threats of loss. But the dream is not dead, the dream still lives within
the hearts and minds of hundreds of thousands who refused to be bowed by fear,
who refused to succumb to the one sided stories of the self-interested. It is not
a dream that will be forgotten. The flame of hope still burns within.’

Read more: The tide goes out


http://weegingerdug.wordpress.com/2014/09/19/the-tide-goes-out/

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Ammusing article......


CNN gaffe shows 110 per cent turnout in Scottish referendum

Sunday 21st September 2014 at 04:33 By david-icke


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‘Experts predicted a high turnout for the independence referendum in
Scotland, but not as big as American news network CNN displayed
during its coverage of the results.

During a report on the network, a graphic was displayed on the screen
which showed that 52pc of Scots had said they would vote No and
58pc had said they would vote Yes.

It did not take long for twitter users to get in on the act of mocking
the network for their miscalculations, @StigAbell wrote “Scottish
voters have given it 110% according to CNN”.

[Cidersomerset]

Westminster in Panic: In the Wake of The Scottish Referendum

new Sunday 21st September 2014 at 09:30 By david-icke

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‘They won’t be going anywhere. The Scottish “No” vote may well have had their day on Friday, but the genie
of Britannic rejection is definitely out of its confined bottle. The United Kingdom is feeling the strain and stretch
of secession sentiment, and those in London are scurrying about in a panic.

The figures are not entirely comforting for the unionists. Of 3,619,915 votes cast, 2,001,926 went for negative;
with 1,617,989 for secession. The Yes vote may well have come second in the count, but there is a feeling that
those attempting to quash the matter had to start that rather unimaginative trick called fear. The question most
popularly thrown at the electorate was: “What if?” Leaving can be such a terrible business, and at a certain point,
there was a sense that the Prime Minister was evoking the calamity of Nora walking out of Ibsen’s A Doll’s House.
Do you really want to go on a voyage of self-discovery and leave husband and children behind?’

Read more: Westminster in Panic: In the Wake of The Scottish Referendum

http://www.globalresearch.ca/westminster-in-panic-in-the-wake-of-the-scottish-referendum/5403174

[Cidersomerset]

A big side issue, the conservatives want to exploit, is that Scottish MP's don't
vote on English issue at Westminster, which at first sight seems straight forward
and fair. Unless you are 'Mr Ed' and you know without the Scots Labour are ...

" Dooooooomeeeed " in the immortal words of private Fraizer....LOL

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Labour condemn David Cameron’s plans as Unionist truce collapses over English ‘home rule’

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‘The political truce that saved the Union collapsed on Friday as David Cameron’s plans for English “home rule” were condemned by Labour.

Following Scotland’s No vote, the Prime Minister immediately set out plans to
ensure that there are “English votes for English laws”. Those plans could result in
England having its own first minister and would herald one of the biggest reforms
of Britain’s tax system.

But they could prevent Scottish MPs voting on English-only issues in the wake of
the independence referendum.

Excluding Scottish MPs from votes concerning only England would represent a
disaster for the Labour Party.’

Read more: Labour condemn David Cameron's plans as Unionist truce collapses
over English 'home rule'

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scottish-independence/11110073/Labour-condemn-David-Camerons-plans-as-Unionist-truce-collapses-over-English-home-rule.html

[Cidersomerset]

‘A result that all of us throughout the United Kingdom will respect’:
The Queen responds to Scottish referendum decision

Saturday 20th September 2014 at 11:17 By david-icke


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'A result that all of us throughout the United Kingdom will respect':
The Queen responds to Scottish referendum decision
Queen Elizabeth released a statement from Balmoral on Scottish referendum
Her Majesty said the entire United Kingdom would respect yesterday's vote
She accepted there were 'strong feelings and emotions' regarding decision
She called on everyone to work constructively for Scotland's future in UK
Sinn Fein's Martin McGuinness called for a Northern Ireland border poll

By Rebecca English, Royal Correspondent For The Daily Mail

Published: 18:12, 19 September 2014 | Updated: 13:26, 20 September 2014



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Queen Elizabeth today released a statement on the Scottish decision to remain in the Union

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The Queen, attended a church service in Balmoral on Sunday with her family in a strong show of unity


‘The Queen last night issued an ‘unprecedented’ plea to the nation to ‘come together’ and strive for a truly united kingdom.

From Balmoral, she acknowledged the rancour of recent days but urged people to put aside their ‘strongly-held’ opinions for the sake of unity.

Her statement, issued after SNP leader Alex Salmond resigned, was also a clear message to politicians trying to appease voters on both sides of the border.’

Read more: 'A result that all of us throughout the United Kingdom will respect': The Queen responds to Scottish referendum decision

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2762718/A-result-United-Kingdom-respect-The-Queen-responds-Scottish-referendum-decision.html

[Billy]

Where are the 665, 408 missing votes out of the 485,323 who took the effort to register for a vote. Allowing for the few hundreds of spoiled votes. And a few thousand that chose not to turn up.


4,285,323 people - the electorate - registered to vote
Results : NO - 2,001,926
YES - 1,617,989
=3,619915 votes counted.
What happened to the missing 665, 408 voters who registered to vote?
They are the abstainers. 85% is a huge turnout, but a 15% abstention is still that many people.

Interesting round numbers though: almost exactly 2 million, and 1.618 million Yes votes (equals phi, the golden section)

Yes there are abstainers araucaria. What is confusing is 85% of what turned out. Was it 85% of the population of Scotland which stands at 5,327,700 as the last count in 2013. 5,327,700 - 15% = 4,528,545. (Remembering that Not all would be eligible to vote) = 799.155 abstentions of the Total population of Scotland.

Or was it 85% of those who took the effort to register for a vote.

I have been trying to find out with no success so far.

I have been inundated with phone calls and emails from family and friends all over the world since the referendum closed. All devastated. Plus there are No happy faces walking around the streets. I think to myself. " Where are all the happy NO voters" none to be seen. My own daughter has phoned me each day crying so much i cannot console her. She has lost all hope at this time. This is the feeling across the board.

But for me, As the saying goes, "It's never over until it's over" Since the referendum. The Scottish Green Party. The SNP and the SSP have been accepting thousands of new members. Around 10 thousand new members in total as off yesterday.

With all the cry's of fraud and fixed votes, I am wondering how we could use the alternative media to find out how many actually voted YES. If there has been an injustice, surely we can find out. I thought Facebook at first, but many yes voters do not use Faff Book. Avaaz.org or Change.org may be better.
Was it 1.6 million YES voters or much more. If we have the technology to find out, We should use it.

My thoughts.


Any ideas Avalon.

peace.

[araucaria]

Where are the 665, 408 missing votes out of the 485,323 who took the effort to register for a vote. Allowing for the few hundreds of spoiled votes. And a few thousand that chose not to turn up.


4,285,323 people - the electorate - registered to vote
Results : NO - 2,001,926
YES - 1,617,989
=3,619915 votes counted.
What happened to the missing 665, 408 voters who registered to vote?
They are the abstainers. 85% is a huge turnout, but a 15% abstention is still that many people.

Interesting round numbers though: almost exactly 2 million, and 1.618 million Yes votes (equals phi, the golden section)

Yes there are abstainers araucaria. What is confusing is 85% of what turned out. Was it 85% of the population of Scotland which stands at 5,327,700 as the last count in 2013. 5,327,700 - 15% = 4,528,545. (Remembering that Not all would be eligible to vote) = 799.155 abstentions of the Total population of Scotland.

Or was it 85% of those who took the effort to register for a vote.

I have been trying to find out with no success so far.

I have been inundated with phone calls and emails from family and friends all over the world since the referendum closed. All devastated. Plus there are No happy faces walking around the streets. I think to myself. " Where are all the happy NO voters" none to be seen. My own daughter has phoned me each day crying so much i cannot console her. She has lost all hope at this time. This is the feeling across the board.

But for me, As the saying goes, "It's never over until it's over" Since the referendum. The Scottish Green Party. The SNP and the SSP have been accepting thousands of new members. Around 10 thousand new members in total as off yesterday.

With all the cry's of fraud and fixed votes, I am wondering how we could use the alternative media to find out how many actually voted YES. If there has been an injustice, surely we can find out. I thought Facebook at first, but many yes voters do not use Faff Book. Avaaz.org or Change.org may be better.
Was it 1.6 million YES voters or much more. If we have the technology to find out, We should use it.

My thoughts.


Any ideas Avalon.

peace.

665,408 divided by 4,285,323 equals 0.155… or 15 ½% of registered voters – i.e. abstainers as a percentage of registered voters. The other million Scots are children and other unregistered voters. It sounds a lot, but as I said, it’s still very good: equivalent to the highest turnouts in French presidential elections (except for 1958). But of course, if vote-rigging has been going on, then this figure is going to be subject to caution as well.
http://www.politiquemania.com/graphiques-abstention-presidentielle.html

Regarding an unofficial recount, there is one possibility that arises from the below post I made earlier. No official recount is imaginable given the high majority, and I read that the ballot papers were going to be destroyed in great haste. That would be like shipping steel girders to China after 911. However, as explained in the cited article, it turns out that the actual handling of this paper trail leaves scandalously to be desired. This might be turned to advantage if some good souls were in contact with the consignment on its way to the incinerator. Even a sample of these ballot papers would supply forensic evidence depending on how they were arranged.

Otherwise, Perhaps an offline petition signed by persons attesting to having voted Yes would begin to carry weight once it started approaching the two million mark. To avoid any cheating, take videos of the signatories. A mammoth task, but local leaders could do it together.




The vid of the girl placing the votes on piles is not proof, she could merely be correcting a mistake she made and switching them into the correct pile, simple human error. But the vid of the YES X paper on the NO table is clear, and could be the whole pile. Unless of course the vid is doctored. Going to watch again for continuity.
Not if she’s swapping a bunch of votes for just one. Watch how the height of the two piles changes. It’s not rocket science to check yeses and noes, why should she make a mistake? But the problem is that someone should be checking her. The French system is not perfect but to me this is scandalously shoddy vote-counting. We would have had a YES paper and a NO paper that voters would choose between and there would be no room for mistakes, even before double-checking.

The counting system itself is flawed if individuals are left to do it on their own. Here in France we have people working in fours (with the public breathing down their necks) – one to open the envelopes and display any spoilt ballots, another to read out the vote, and two more to note it down, checking with each other at least every fifty votes. That is how it is done even with a two-way choice.

See also: http://aanirfan.blogspot.fr/2014/09/vote-fraud-in-scottish-referendum.html

Hi Araucaria, we should all do it the French way which seems almost infallible.

Stan
Yes Stan, it is a pretty good system, although the quality of the candidates is still not up to scratch :). It actually makes for a rather relaxed atmosphere; since everyone is watching over each other, not suspiciously but helpfully, working in a very orderly, foolproof way with exactly 100 envelopes on the table at any one time. It is more like they are playing a game of cards. So I am genuinely shocked at the muddle in these videos even if it were totally bona fide.

I am equally shocked at the idea of counterfoils combined with lax disposal methods. We receive voting slips in the post with candidates’ manifestoes, and there is a pile in the polling station where you can choose any one of hundreds requiring no inscription of any kind.

I want to emphasize what I was pointing out earlier in the Guardian piece: the yes folks maybe didn’t get their votes counted on the day, but there is potential here for them being identified and their vote counting against them. This is disturbing in the extreme. What possible purpose could counterfoils serve other than such tracing of voters? I want to quote a passage again.

“This adds weight to the conspiracy theory that security around the election documents is very lax, and that the vote-tracing procedure has been used to identify people voting for fringe candidates. Votes can be traced by matching the numbered ballot paper to its similarly numbered counterfoil; the numbered counterfoil also bears the voter's registration number from the electoral register which is hand-written by the Polling Clerk when the ballot paper is issued. As all the ballot papers for each candidate - including fringe candidates such as Sinn Fein, communists, fascists, nationalists, etc. - are bundled together, anyone having access to those documents can speedily trace the name and address of every voter for such candidates if they wish.”
http://www.theguardian.com/notesandq...,-1051,00.html

The ten-point gap makes vote-rigging on the required scale that is pretty mind-boggling for the average citizen. Whether or not it actually took place is only one side of the issue. Another, more wide-ranging aspect is that the British electoral system, as evidenced here, is in itself hugely open to abuse. So, if voter fraud is as rare or as mythical as we are told, then either the fraudsters are not up to their job, or there have already been plenty of rigged elections in the past. Yet in this case, it seems that MI5 was involved. An insider even suggested that this was likely, to ensure ‘fairness’ and out of a ‘concern for the knock-on effect in Northern Ireland’. These two things are contradictory: if you want to avoid this knock-on effect then, rather than policing the procedure, you need to steer the result. But then it would be naïve to expect him, as a former ‘national security’ adviser to Blair, to speak the undiluted truth. The truth of the matter is that the ‘national security’ risk was the referendum itself. MI5 – hardly a bunch of incompetents – can be trusted to have done whatever it took to achieve that end. Given that the yes camp was doing a lot better than was perhaps anticipated, ‘whatever it took’ would have amounted to quite a lot as well.


MI5 spies told: stay out of referendum
Paul Hutcheon
Investigations Editor
Sunday 9 June 2013

A senior Nationalist has written to the head of the UK's Security Service and asked for an assurance that MI5 spies will not interfere in the independence referendum.

Margo MacDonald MSP, who says she believes there are undercover agents operating in the SNP, told MI5 chief Andrew Parker that his staff should only be used to thwart criminal and terrorist acts, rather than engage in dirty tricks against those who support Scottish independence.

A Home Office spokesman declined to comment on the letter.

The purpose of MI5 is to protect the UK "against threats to national security", a form of words that could be interpreted as resisting the break-up of Britain. Some Nationalists have long believed the SNP was infiltrated in the 1970s by agents worried booming North Sea oil revenues could lead to independence.

MacDonald, a former deputy leader of the SNP and now an independent MSP, believes MI5 was active during the constitutional debate in this period and wants a commitment that such activity has ceased.

In a letter to MI5's director general, MacDonald wrote: "I will be obliged if you can give me an assurance that UK Security Services will not be used in any respect in the lead-up to the Scottish referendum on sovereignty, unless, of course, the Scottish police have sufficient evidence to justify normal responses to potentially overtly criminal acts.

"I do understand that the Security Services are vital to all the countries and regions of the British Isles and the potential for law-breaking may be heightened during the forthcoming campaign.

"As action on the Security Services' part is calculated to keep communities safe and aid cohesion, I would welcome an assurance from you that this will continue, and that no other consideration will inform your Department's work."

Speaking to the Sunday Herald, MacDonald said the recent comments of former chancellor Denis Healey, who said the Labour Government of the 1970s had underplayed the value of oil revenues, underlined her concerns. She said: "The influence of the security services was insidious. If the opportunity came up to depress the self-confidence of Scots, then the opportunity was taken."

Asked if she believed the SNP and the wider Yes movement was currently infiltrated, she said: "Of course the security services have people in the SNP."

Crispin Black, a former intelligence adviser to ex-prime minister Tony Blair and the Joint Intelligence Committee, said he believed MI5 would monitor the independence debate: "My guess is that MI5 would have the referendum on its radar, primarily to ensure its fairness. There's definitely a national security angle to Scottish independence that the security services would be aware of, but my sense is that they would be stopping dirty tricks, rather than trying to initiate them."

He added that MI5 would have a concern about the knock-on effect of independence on Northern Ireland.

A spokesman for the Scottish Government declined to comment.

At the Home Office, which handles enquiries about the Security Service, a spokesperson said the department would not comment on private correspondence. [my emphasis]
http://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/referendum-news/mi5-spies-told-stay-out-of-referendum.21143916

[Billy]

Asked if she believed the SNP and the wider Yes movement was currently infiltrated, she said: "Of course the security services have people in the SNP."

Crispin Black, a former intelligence adviser to ex-prime minister Tony Blair and the Joint Intelligence Committee, said he believed MI5 would monitor the independence debate: "My guess is that MI5 would have the referendum on its radar, primarily to ensure its fairness. There's definitely a national security angle to Scottish independence that the security services would be aware of, but my sense is that they would be stopping dirty tricks, rather than trying to initiate them."

He added that MI5 would have a concern about the knock-on effect of independence on Northern Ireland.

http://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/referendum-news/mi5-spies-told-stay-out-of-referendum.21143916[/QUOTE]

I posted MI5's past involvement earlier in this thread.


2 days to go.

A little history of Westmonster's secrets, murders and lies concerning the oil boom and independence. Plus 40 Nuclear leaks at Faslane.

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[Billy]

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With all the cry's of fraud and fixed votes, I am wondering how we could use the alternative media to find out how many actually voted YES. If there has been an injustice, surely we can find out. I thought Facebook at first, but many yes voters do not use Faff Book. Avaaz.org or Change.org may be better.
Was it 1.6 million YES voters or much more. If we have the technology to find out, We should use it.

My thoughts.


Any ideas Avalon.

peace.


Regarding an unofficial recount, there is one possibility that arises from the below post I made earlier. No official recount is imaginable given the high majority, and I read that the ballot papers were going to be destroyed in great haste. That would be like shipping steel girders to China after 911. However, as explained in the cited article, it turns out that the actual handling of this paper trail leaves scandalously to be desired. This might be turned to advantage if some good souls were in contact with the consignment on its way to the incinerator. Even a sample of these ballot papers would supply forensic evidence depending on how they were arranged.

Otherwise, Perhaps an offline petition signed by persons attesting to having voted Yes would begin to carry weight once it started approaching the two million mark. To avoid any cheating, take videos of the signatories. A mammoth task, but local leaders could do it together.


Thank you araucaria. I thought of Avaaz and the likes because you have to provide a legit email address and home address to register, which is confidential information.

Any more ideas Avalon???

Peace

[araucaria]

Thanks Billy: Avaaz sounds a very good idea.

Poor Scotland, caught between much-coveted oil, the economic weapon, and the pollution of nuclear weaponry. This crisis is far from over, and needs whatever help we can bring.

[Billy]

Just in.

So the BBC lied to you, Scotland. It is true that the Referendum Bill of 2013 forbids the CHIEF COUNTING OFFICER from recounting votes after they have been declared. But it does not forbid anyone ELSE from recounting the votes and it gives any person in Scotland the power to request and receive the register of the votes. So…you may not be able to revote (this time around) but you can all ASK FOR AND RECEIVE the full tally of votes and see what the outcome really was. And….the votes have not yet been certified. They are certified six weeks from now. So the election is not actually legally 'over.' You can as you see 'bring proceedings for a petition of a judicial review' for the next five weeks.

You need to "apply to the supervisory jurisdiction of the Court of Session' to get a judicial review. And at this point we need to ask a Scottish barrister what exactly that means.

But Scotland -- your process is not over. They are trying to trick you in saying the process is over. That vote count only stands if it rests for six weeks without a petition for a judicial review. Please share widely. And remember -- every single one of you has the right to ask for the register of votes in your council and receive it to review it in a public place.

34Restriction on legal challenge to referendum result

(1)No court may entertain any proceedings for questioning the number of ballot papers counted or votes cast as certified by a counting officer or by the Chief Counting Officer under section 7(2)(b) or (as the case may be) (4) unless—
(a)the proceedings are brought by way of a petition for judicial review, and
(b)the petition is lodged before the end of the permitted period.
(2)In subsection (1)(b) “the permitted period” means the period of 6 weeks beginning with—
(a)the day on which the officer in question makes the certification as to the number of ballot papers counted and votes cast in the referendum, or
(b)if the officer makes more than one such certification, the day on which the last is made.
(3)In subsection (1), references to a petition for judicial review are references to an application to the supervisory jurisdiction of the Court of Session.

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And this.

Scottish Independence Petition Demanding Referendum Be Re-Held Because It Was Rigged Reaches 70,000

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/09/20/scottish-referendum-rigged-petition_n_5854016.html

I do not think the above will go anywhere, but It is never over until it is over. :happy:

[Cidersomerset]

Now Salmond warns Scotland could leave the UK WITHOUT a referendum
after desperate bid to accuse Westminster of ‘tricking’ voters and saying
‘the writing is on the wall’ for the Union

Monday 22nd September 2014 at 10:46 By david-icke

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Now Salmond warns Scotland could leave the UK WITHOUT a referendum after
desperate bid to accuse Westminster of 'tricking' voters and saying
'the writing is on the wall' for the Union

Salmond accuses Cameron, Clegg and Miliband of 'reneging' on election vow
The three party leaders made a pledge to transfer fresh powers to Holyrood
But the SNP leader said Westminster was riven by party political differences
PM wants 'English votes for English laws' alongside new Scottish powers
But Labour has rejected the proposal over claims would 'divide' Parliament

By Tom McTague, Deputy Political Editor for MailOnline

Published: 13:45, 21 September 2014 | Updated: 15:14, 22 September 2014


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Alex Salmond said the two million voters who rejected independence would
be furious if Westminster's devolution 'vow' was broken


‘Defeated SNP leader Alex Salmond this morning accused Westminster of ‘tricking’
Scottish voters into rejecting separation – and suggested the country could declare
Independence without a referendum.

He said the No campaign’s last minute promise of more powers for Holyrood had
swayed voters – and accused David Cameron, Nick Clegg and Ed Miliband of
reneging on their word.

But the outgoing First Minister, who dramatically announced he was stepping down
from the job on Friday, claimed holding a referendum was ‘only one of a number
of routes’ to independence.

He said despite last week’s referendum defeat the ‘writing is on the wall’ for the
Union. Mr Salmond said: ‘I think the destination is pretty certain, we are only now
debating the timescale and the method.’

Interviewed yesterday on Sky News, Mr Salmond said: ‘There are a whole range
of ways Scotland can improve its position in pursuit of Scottish independence.’

He added: ‘I think referendums are great, they have been my policy and even I
have been surprised by an 85 per cent poll and the degree of public engagement,
but of course for many years there was a “gradualist” attitude to independence.

‘That is to say you establish a parliament, you establish successfully more powers
until you have a situation where you’re independent in all but name and then
presumably you declare yourself to be independent. Many countries have proceeded
through that route.

‘There is a parliamentary route where people can make their voice heard as well -
so a referendum is only one of a number of routes.

‘I think it’s the best route incidentally, that’s always been my opinion but my
opinion is only one of many.’

Mr Salmond's remarks came amid mounting nationalist fury over the perception
that Westminster was wobbling over honouring its promise to devolve more
powers to Scotland.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2764114/Salmond-lashes-totally-shameless-Westminster-leaders-tricking-Scottish-voters-rejecting-independence.html#ixzz3E5Ws2HdL
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'I Think Referendums Are Great, They Have Been My Policy'

Following his resignation Alex Salmond accuses Cameron, Clegg and Miliband of 'reneging' on election vow

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Alex Salmond on future plans for SNP and Scotland21 September 2014 Last updated at 12:24 BST

The first minister of Scotland said he was not going away and planned to "be part of the
political process in Scotland if people in Aberdeenshire wish to keep electing me".

Alex Salmond spoke to Andrew Neil about his decision to stand down from the top job,
but remain as an MSP, after Scotland rejected independence in Thursday's referendum.

He said it was time to "give someone else a shot" and reckoned there were "many able
people" who could do the job well, as they spoke about the SNP, reaction to Thursday's
vote and future powers for Scotland.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-29300775

[Billy]

The Sabotage of Scotland’s Democracy

http://thebutterflyrebellion.org/2014/09/23/the-sabotage-of-scotlands-democracy/

At the beginning of the two year referendum campaign on the question of Scottish independence the Department of the Taoiseach in the Republic of Ireland circulated a memo to all of the departments of the Irish civil service to the effect that the Irish government would remain silent throughout the campaign. It was to be understood that the question of Scotland’s future would be a matter for the Scottish people. Dublin is a small European capital where news gets around. Media and government in Ireland adhered to this principle of neutrality. As the campaign in Scotland progressed it became widely known in Dublin that the British government and the British Embassy were applying pressure on the Irish state and the press to speak out against Scottish independence. One source within Oireachtas Éireann, the Irish parliament, has let it be known that the agenda of the British government was to paint a bleak picture of an independent Scotland in order to depress the growing support for a Yes vote in Scotland. Ireland, heavily dependent on trade with the United Kingdom, remained neutral throughout the campaign. At about the same time it became clear that this was very much part of a global offensive against Scotland. France, Spain, the United States, Canada and others began to make pronouncements echoing the sentiments that had been pressed upon Ireland. Certainly, the opinion within Dublin was that this was policy as far as Britain was concerned. Russia made the decision to break the silence of Downing Street’s international conspiracy and spoke out.

As the campaign progressed into the final year analysts in both Berlin and Dublin predicted that support for independence in Scotland would overtake support for the union and issued memos to various of their government departments with instructions to begin the process of drafting policies to deal with the breakup of the United Kingdom and the arrival of a new European state. It can only be assumed that this, as a standard practice of government, was replicated around the world. Such a provisional measure no doubt undermined the confidence of Westminster in securing a No vote in Scotland. It was clear in the final months of the campaign that Britain was indeed in a state of frantic desperation. It was at this point that Mr. Cameron himself entered into secret discussions with the Council authorities on the Shetland Islands. Britain was preparing for defeat, and was not prepared to leave empty handed. This was the state of play until the date of the referendum.

Quite unexpectedly it was noticed that those supporting a No vote were openly celebrating and congratulating one another almost as soon as the polls were closed. One person who called a moderator of this page at half past ten in the evening shared his suspicion that “They know something. They know they have this in the bag.” Through the early hours of the morning calls started arriving from election officials who were in a number of counting centres over Scotland claiming that they witnessed deliberate election fraud. This was, of course, merely anecdotal evidence, but it was the same story being repeated from as many as fourteen different officers – three of whom had been campaigning for a No vote. On Friday evening we were put in touch with a counting officer from Kilmarnock in East Ayrshire. She had been campaigning for Yes Scotland and had contacted us in an agitated state. Over the course of a lengthy telephone conversation she recounted what she had witnessed. She was not allowed to ensure the closure of the ballots boxes over which she had responsibility, they were moved and left unattended, eventually being transported in a van without security to the central counting station and she was not permitted to be present at their arrival to verify that these were indeed her boxes. Other election officers had contacted her to inform her of open bribery of caretakers and other security personnel at polling stations.

Over the past few days she has been working with the Butterfly Rebellion to gather witnesses and full statements. Every hour the list of witnesses is growing. It has now been arranged for each of these competent witnesses to meet with a legal team outside of Scotland and the United Kingdom to have all of these reports recorded as sworn statements. All of these statements will be posted first to the Butterfly Rebellion page before being sent to the Scottish government and all other relevant friendly authorities. We have made the decision to by-pass the police at the present time. It is at least plausible that elements within the police force were part of a larger conspiracy. We apologise in advance to the police force of Scotland if we are wrong in this suspicion, but in good faith we are acting for the good of Scotland and we do hope that the police authorities, also in good faith, will understand.

Not a full ten hours after the declaration of the defeat of Scotland’s bid for independence the Russian observers had raised a flag that the election had not been conducted in a manner that conformed to good practice and they stated their concerns that the referendum count had been “rigged.” Two of these observers have come forward and have made it clear that they are now willing to give evidence to the effect that the count was illegal. We can have no doubt that these accounts will not stand in either a Scottish or English court of law as they come from Russian sources. The whole world knows that Russia is not to be trusted. So it now must be asked why the British government sought Russian observers. Knowingly the Westminster administration sought tainted witnesses to witness its crime; almost the perfect crime. Earlier this evening a senior civil servant in the Irish Department of Foreign Affairs in Dublin made it known to us that this decision was known in advance in Dublin, and that preparation for a Yes vote had been cancelled. According to this source, from whom we have requested documentary evidence, it had been made clear to his department that “Westminster will not, under any circumstances, let go of Scotland.” Open diplomatic opinion in Ireland, a young state with hard experience of an independence struggle with Westminster, is that clandestine moves were made to safeguard Scottish resources for London.

Ireland, it can be argued, is yet another tainted source. Not France. Through the course of the day today two separate French sources have reached out to us to share their full agreement with the account given by their Russian colleagues. There are no observes, who have so far spoken out, who accept the validity of the referendum count. It will be difficult to guarantee a sworn statement from these men, but we have been promised another opportunity to speak with them. We will make a special plea to them to have the courage to speak out on the record, and at present we are drafting a letter to the French government seeking full disclosure from them. All of this information will be shared on this page and with the Scottish government. We believe that it is only a matter of time before the fullness of the truth comes out. There can be no doubt that the count was a fraud.

Please scroll down and read comments. Much more info.
http://thebutterflyrebellion.org/2014/09/23/the-sabotage-of-scotlands-democracy/

Westminster puppet Ruth Davidson admits Better Together were sampling postal votes. Totally illegal.

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Much more to come. :biggrin1:

[Billy]

The SNP is now the third largest party in the UK after the incredible influx of new members

http://www.snp.org/media-centre/news/2014/sep/snp-course-double-membership


Tue, 23/09/2014 - 13:20

The SNP is now the third largest party in the UK after the incredible influx of new members since the referendum saw membership overtake that of the UK Lib Dems – and put the party well on course to double its membership.

As of midday today, SNP membership had grown by more than 24,000 since the referendum – standing at over 50,000 and overtaking the figure for the Lib Dems UK wide, which is reported to be 43,451.

Commenting, SNP Business Convener Derek Mackay MSP said:

“These incredible figures are absolutely inspiring – the fact that the SNP is on course to double our membership since the referendum confirms that it is the SNP the people of Scotland trust to work in the best interests of Scotland.

“We are now the third largest party in the UK – overtaking the Lib Dems, who are clearly suffering from the effects of going into coalition with the Tories.

“The buoyancy of the SNP in recent days also stands in stark contrast with the other Westminster parties – with the whispering campaign against Johann Lamont starting in earnest, and the Tories confirming cuts to Scotland’s budget for which they will pay a heavy price at the ballot box.

“Labour in particular have much to fear from this new wave of democratic engagement – the Labour heartlands which voted Yes will never forget Johann Lamont’s alliance with the Tories in the No campaign, which is perhaps why SNP support now stands at 49 per cent according to the latest Survation poll.

“It is this new democratic engagement sweeping Scotland which will hold Westminster to account on the ‘vow’ of more powers – the same old politics as usual from Westminster just won’t cut it.

“Westminster has to deliver the substantial new powers we need to make Scotland a fairer more prosperous place – anything less would be an insult to the people of Scotland who voted for change in incredible numbers.”

ENDS

Notes

SNP membership now stands at over 50,000 compared to 25,642 at 5pm on Thursday.

Lib Dem membership is reported to be 43,451:

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_Democrats#Membership_figures

SNP on track for third term: http://www.snp.org/media-centre/news/2014/sep/snp-track-third-term
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Just to add that the Scottish Green party has accepted 3.000 new members and the SSP. (Scottish socialist party) has accepted over 1000 new members.

All parties that supported independence.
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And here the Guardian:

Monday 22 September 2014 20.14 BST
SNP poised to become one of UK’s largest political parties
Scottish National party announces that membership has jumped 70% in four days, with more than 18,000 people joining. (Note the numbers of new members have risen since this article was released yesterday)

The Scottish National party is poised to become one of the largest in the UK after Scotland’s pro-independence parties saw a surge in membership after last week’s referendum.

As evidence emerged of the extent of the Labour no campaign’s referendum defeat in Glasgow, the SNP announced on Monday that its membership had jumped by 70% in four days. More than 18,000 people joined the party since Thursday, lifting its overall membership to a record level of 43,644.

Peter Murrell, the party’s chief executive, tweeted that this put the SNP on course to overtake the Lib Dems’ total membership to make the SNP the UK’s third largest party, outstripping the UK Independence party’s 35,000 figure on the way.

The Lib Dems retorted that their paid membership had risen by 9% to stand at nearly 44,400, following a slump from nearly 49,000 in 2012, making them the first party to record a rise in membership while in office at Westminster.

The Scottish Green party, also part of the yes campaign, reported a parallel surge in membership, with 3,000 supporters joining since Friday. Meanwhile, Labour responded to its rivals’ successes by trying to reassure Scottish voters that their pledges of significant political and constitutional reforms were sincere.

Read more. http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/sep/22/snp-poised-become-largest-political-parties

It's never over, until it's over. :thumb:

[Firinn]

I personally know one counting officer who told me the following (I paraphrase) " It was obvious that the vast majority of votes being made at the polling station were YES and it really struck me as odd that 90% of the postal votes were NO's, it just didn't add up"

I asked him how the postal votes were delivered to the polling station. He said they turned up in courier vans in Plastic tubs/boxes with that were NOT security sealed. There was no signing over of the postal votes, i.e. there was no audit trail ... anybody could have switched them!

Just one more example of how open to fraud the whole process was.

much love
Firinn

[onawah]

Bombshell: Video Proof that the 'Scotland
Independence Vote' Was Rigged!


Here is damning video evidence
that shows that this vote was a
fraud, in the Scottish Referendum,
with some reports of a 91% turn
out.

Just from the video and the pictures,
alone, we can clearly see errors! This
is the best video proof, so far we have
showing the votes were changed to
"NO" on purpose!

These images would stand up in a court
of law.

Remember, Scotland produces 80% of the
UK's GDP.

Video: (under 2 mins)

Bombshell: Video Proof that the 'Scotland
Independence Vote' Was Rigged!

http://www.ForbiddenKnowledgeTV.com/page/26697.html

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[Cidersomerset]

Scottish Independence Vote Stolen, Massive Coverup Ensues, Usual Suspects ID’ed

Wednesday 24th September 2014 at 11:06 By david-icke


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‘The pre-vote polls were very close to 51% NO to 49% YES right up until the day of the vote.

These poll numbers could not have legitimately changed to a 55% NO to 45% YES overnight.

Couldn’t happen. Wouldn’t happen. Didn’t happen.

Clearly, the Scottish Independence voting process was rigged just as the electoral apparatus was tampered with.’

Read more: Scottish Independence Vote Stolen, Massive Coverup Ensues, Usual Suspects ID’ed

http://themillenniumreport.com/2014/09/scottish-independence-vote-stolen-massive-coverup-ensues-usual-suspects-ided/

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David Cameron says Queen ‘purred down line’ after Scotland no vote

Wednesday 24th September 2014 at 11:00 By david-icke



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THE GUARDIAN.......


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‘David Cameron has been caught on camera talking about how the Queen
“purred down the line” after he phoned her to say Scotland had voted no
to independence.

The prime minister’s remarks suggesting the Queen was pleased with the
result are a rare, albeit accidental, breach of the convention that the prime
minister never speaks about his conversations with the monarch. It also
jeopardises her traditional neutrality, which she maintained throughout the
referendum campaign except when she was overheard telling a member of
the public that she hoped people in Scotland would think carefully about the future.’

Read more: David Cameron says Queen ‘purred down line’ after Scotland no vote


http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/sep/23/david-cameron-queen-purred-down-line-scotland-no-vote