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Omni

1st September 2014, 10:44

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Sunny-side-up

1st September 2014, 11:07

Hello Omniverse

Good OP/questions and yes they need to be looked at in more detail.

So I Just started reading your post and was hit by:

If the reports are true, these are things interdimensional beings would have to be able to do:

The soul would have to be able to self propel at superluminal speeds to make any sense. How on earth would this be possible mechanically? Does the soul grow some magical ability to self propel?

1st) I was under the impression that interdimensional actually means no distance to be covered at all!
So no need for speed?

2nd) Do all interdimensional beings/entities have Souls?

3rd) Within this our material universe, I believe we are every where, every when all at the same time (TIME?) so?

I'll leave that first item of your interesting post and read on!

;)
Alan

Omni

1st September 2014, 11:18

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778 neighbour of some guy

1st September 2014, 11:27

I'm not fully sure I grasp what you mean here. But I personally don't think I am on the other side of the universe, if that's what you mean.

Quantum mechanics, every potential exists simultaneously everywhere.

Omni

1st September 2014, 11:36

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Sunny-side-up

1st September 2014, 11:37

Hmm? and yes!

1st) I think it is the 'consciousness' of a being or group of beings (Earth) that is the location, and that is the travel point and not an actual 'physical' point somewhere in 'Time-Space'

2nd) Just asking here but where do entities like say the 'Djinn' fit in as interdimensionals? Thought they where interdimensional and thought they didn't have Souls? but not sure with that atmo?

3rd) I mean't that we and our energies and our other bodies all add up to us being here, there and every where! We permeate up and down levels/densities we are a part of the whole and it us.

Love ya
Alan

Omni

1st September 2014, 11:40

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Sunny-side-up

1st September 2014, 11:47

2nd) Just asking here but where do entities like say the 'Djinn' fit in as interdimensionals? Thought they where interdimensional and thought they didn't have Souls? but not sure with that atmo?
It is my belief that any being with a consciousness has a soul. This is what I was told by beings claiming to be ET, but I don't just believe what they tell me. It makes the most sense IMHO.

Yep here you.
The Djinn btw are thought to be a good proportion of the Contacts! either as Demons/angles ET's ID's etc. Now one thing I thought I knew about them is they have no Soul and are very envious of those with one and so try to make out they have one!
These so far are all very interesting OP points and one's I personally want to form a greater understanding of :)

naste.de.lumina

1st September 2014, 12:34

alh02

1st September 2014, 12:35

Thanks Omni, next time an ED being decides it wants to hurl me across the room for being belligerent I'll be sure to let it know it's just a figment of my imagination ;)

Jokes aside though, I'd say most people would be surprised to learn just how prevalent ED influences (entities / beings) actually are in this "reality" of ours.

In any case, I am personally not all that concerned about what other people believe (or don't believe)... the broken collar bone I received 4 years ago after an "altercation" with a particularly cranky ED being (Gargoyle) sealed the deal for me.

That said, I guess it's a good thing that most of the ones that come here to "play" with us aren't actually able to manifest themselves "physically" into this reality for any more than a few seconds at a time... if they could we'd all be in very deep doo doo! lol

Anyway, to all the budding ED-being-whisperers out there please take note that Gargoyles (no not the ones made of stone sitting on the roofs of buildings) do not take kindly to having disrespectful insults and general cursing hurled in their direction... I know, who would have thought right?! lol

As usual, lesson learned the hard way... never let your guard down when you're in a fight.

Hogswitch

1st September 2014, 13:03

Quick answer before the thought escapes me. You asked, "How on earth can a being, purely with it's own soul, map a brain to the point of being able to fire memories, and very specific neural pathways?". In your model of reality you and I are souls (or have souls) right? So, quick exercise, remember your last meal, easy yes? That then is surely a perfect example of how a soul can fire memories and activate specific neural pathways. At the very least this shows that the kind of soul/brain interaction required for mind control is possible. As souls, we "mind control" our own brains. I'm not saying that this is correct. I think we could cast just as much doubt on the idea that conscious beings have souls at all. In fact you have to address the problem of what a soul is and how it interacts with a physical body before you start worrying about how it could move about, see things or control another body (brain).
Hog.

Omni

1st September 2014, 13:59

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Hogswitch

1st September 2014, 14:07

One man's order is another man's control. In a reality of individuals, absolute freedom is impossible because you cannot assert your freedom without restricting that of another. On earth, unfortunately, what passes for order has strayed way over the line into control and exploitation. I think that's partly why many of us are so suspicious of control hierarchies. Yes, this part of the original post, "Absolute order has been achieved by advanced extraterrestrials in our galaxy. Maybe somewhere in the universe is disorderly conduct, but not in our region ..." really pushed my buttons too. However, were we to declare absolute freedom in any kind of reality where there is form and structure, and therefore individuation, we would be giving the green light to any individual or group of individuals to **** things up for the rest of us. Therefore, in those realities we need some kind of order, the best we can hope for is that we are sufficiently conscious, and powerful enough, to play a part in shaping our collective reality. I guess true freedom can only be found if and when we find ourselves able to consciously transcend realities of form and structure. Until then the best we can do is be very wary of allowing others to control/order our reality without taking our interests into consideration.

Omni

1st September 2014, 14:14

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gardener2

1st September 2014, 14:27

Hello omniverse I have read your post's and I find some of it very interesting, I just want to say first thank you, for sharing your experiences with all here you have shared with. I hope you wont mind my sharing a little of my experiences. At this point I wont go into the whole thing, but you said people who have o b e's don't leave their bodies or something to that effect, I can honestly tell you that since childhood I have definitely done just that,and in all that time some 59 yrs ago I have had only one experience that was so very frightening and dare I say dangerous. but let me just say and I can only speak of my experiences, I am not delusional but I assure you yes when I leave the body I can travel at the speed of thought, and when I leave I just see my body laying on the bed so I know the part of me that leaves the body is my soul have to say your right in that it can be dangerous. so please keep sharing I appreciate you. thank you gardener 2 x

Hogswitch

1st September 2014, 14:28

Respectfully, any kind of order that uses these methods, "The punishments for breaking order are just too severe, and the surveillance of all things done by ETs(see my All Seeing Eye thread) is too extensive to get away with much for long..." Is far to much like the kind of order we have all had a bellyfull of. Yes control by fear definitely raises my hackles.
Hog.

Omni

1st September 2014, 14:36

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Omni

1st September 2014, 14:44

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Hogswitch

1st September 2014, 14:45

Honestly, I don't know, all I was really highlighting was that the control of a brain by a soul is not quite as implausible as you suggested, assuming of course that you accept the existence of a soul in the first place which is problematic to say the least.
Hog.

Omni

1st September 2014, 14:47

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naste.de.lumina

1st September 2014, 14:54

Dear Omniverse.

Some thoughts on your comments.

I do not intend to own the truth, are just my humble impressions.

Self-propulsion.

The Universe consists of one (1) single wave of conscious and intelligent energy, so the distances are just perceptions.

Are you saying interdimensional beings all do not move, and are in the same spot always? I think distances are more than just perception. They would exist without perception of them...

Defining vision.

Perception. Are interpretations of our brain to electromagnetic waves that reach it. The same with hearing, touch, etc. We do not see with their eyes, we see with the brain. Who interprets what the brain sees?
We see with both the eyes and brain by my beliefs. The eyes are what sends the brain the vision, so we indeed see with both IMHO. If the eyes do not work, vision of the 3D does not work so well.

On the subject 'Order'.

In my opinion, if there is some kind of hierarchy that manages the universe or part of it, it comes under the control of some kind of inter-dimensional matrix.

Who determines what can and can not be considered orderly and disorderly?
Extraterrestrials who have come to agreements in the early universe I would assume. Perhaps even inter-universal ETs who seeded this universe(if such is the case), gave them a set of rules to follow that considers all perceptions and agendas. There has to be rules among ETs. I think this is just common sense.

More importantly, where does the legitimacy of authority that can define rules to be imposed on other?
The rules were agreed upon by all pertaining parties originally. So by their own agreements they have authority.

They are rules that are as fair as possible to the powers of the universe/galaxy. They are not necessarily fair to every being who experiences their outcome. But it is the middle ground reached by ETs so as to not have chaos in the galaxy/universe. I think it's pretty obvious that ETs have certain rules they go by. Exopolitics.

Self-proclaimed masters, teachers, judges, rulers, nobles, officials, etc., whatever name you give, has so much power over us as we are willing to give them.
Earth laws are this way. Galactic/universal law is a bit different. If an entire race goes against order too much, they will be wiped out majorly or penalized severely from what I understand. So it's by necessity that they have to follow the agreed upon rules. The US government has to follow certain rules too by my experiences. In saying us, exopolitical rules do not apply to you and me really. So I dont understand why you would say "us". If you were an interstellar entity, you too would be forced by common sense to follow exopolitical rules.

I am the universe. You are the universe. How can I then want you to be in a hierarchical instance below me? I can not, unless I 'create' rules and make you believe in them, ie, deception and disappointment.
If there were no exopolitical rules certain reptile ETs would love to armageddon countless human planets that cannot defend themselves and probable galactic/universal war would ensue. It is not hierarchy deciding the rules in exopolitics. It is about conflicting agendas in polarities deciding the rules. Kind of different than ruling over people because of rules... And very different than deciding rules because it's what is 'right'(as human law in some cases attempts to do).

A next incarnation on Earth is not part of my plans, and I'm sure we have the latent power of all that is.
Do you think we can freely decide where we incarnate??
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I'm saying that the distances are illusions / perceptions created by the holographic universe. The source of information that makes this holography possible is a unique wave of energy called the quantum physicists Quantum Vacuum or The field, so it is all there. If there is only one wave of energy how can be distances between one thing? Can not. There may be perceived distance space but effectively, because it is a holography.

The brain creates the image brought by the eyes, but does not interpret this image. This interpretation is made by our cloud information / electro-magnetic field.
Example: People Born Blind Can See During a Near Death Experience
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?71094-People-Born-Blind-Can-See-During-a-Near-Death-Experience

I do not agree with this common sense. It may be that in your interpretation makes sense but it does to me. The rules in the 'universe' of duality and opposing forces is an illusion as it is this universe of duality. There is only one energy wave. Again, what is perception and the rules are the result of these illusions. Exopolitics is contained within the holographic universe, so it is not cause, it is effect.

I think that consent is the holy grail of free will. Without consent, no re-incarnation. I do not recognize any authority over my spirit, because I know that being a self-conscious singularity, I'm a minuscule portion of the infinite single wave of all that is. What is existing at a fraction of pontencial infinite power? Infinite potential.

Technology is a subterfuge for the power of consciousness. The universe is mind.

It is a pale shadow reflected on the wall (to paraphrase Plato in 'Plato's Cave'), latency and capacity of consciousness.

I repeat. I think any kind of self proclaimed hierarchy is fraudulent.

Without consent, is impotent.

But yes, we can be induced to consent by deception.

Hugs.

Naste.

Omni

1st September 2014, 15:02

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GoodETxSG

1st September 2014, 15:23

I am glad the OP uses the word "Believe" and in other Threads on this subject "Feel" or "Think"...

When it comes down to it that is all it is, our belief structure or personal religion. Beliefs can put limitations on our own ability to understand concepts and can show those limitations when we close our mind to what is possible. The skeptics favorite rebuke is "It is good to have an open mind, but not so open that their brain falls out...".

I can only respond once again to this "point of view" or "belief system" about both inter-density and inter-dimensional beings as I have in a couple of other threads.

So many of us have put limitations on what we believe is possible/probable based on our realities/experiences that we have painted ourselves into a corner. We are just a flash in the pan... a speck riding on a speck through the cosmos... insecure and fragile Ego's pondering and putting everything we can in a box with a tidy label to try to feel a little more secure and larger than our short existence.

Those of us who have had direct contact with not only beings of various Space, Time, Dimension and Densities but involvement with "secret programs" have entirely different realities/life experiences to work from. These are individual experiences though... We as a an entire species are not privy to the realities going on within our own spectrum or even with in our own solar system enough to even agree if there is microbial life outside our own planet, though we are coming around. I feel this is a similar situation is debating life in or existence of higher dimensions or densities.

We can use logic but that logic is flawed based on a false construct of what is secretly known in our own science and space programs. Our own break away civilization wants to keep it that way as the early religious leaders wanted to keep the common "man"/mankind illiterate and unable to rely on their own logic with the written information on hand.

As it is now we are doing our best to speculate the complete text written across a cube when our only perspective is just the text written on one two dimentional side of it's square.

ED do have bodies within their dimensions and can phase into our dimension, beings of higher densities have bodies or vibratory constructs within their densities and can manipulate them consciously... Dimensions and Densities seem to be a major problem/concept for many to Differentiate.

hf2CxZPl7KI

"Re: Advanced Extraterrestrials are Vastly Atheist

Not to poo poo any one else's "Reality Bubble's" or "Experiences" but I must lay out what I have come to believe about "Them" (The few out of the many I/We have come into contact with) from my experiences...

With such a wide range of beings through the vast Oceans of Time and Space (Just in our Dimension Alone) it is difficult for people of our current understanding to lump all of "Them" together under such a blanket statement IMHO (Applies to current ED Topic as well).

Different species have had different journey's in becoming the current interstellar, intergalactic, inter-dimensional/density/universe Race they are currently. Most have done so with some sort of Spiritual/Consciousness Technological Component that we would call "Spooky Action at a Distance" or just Magic. Not counting the AI or those led by AI Power Structures of course, there are just so many types of cultures out there (But who built the AI before it became autonomous?).

Many of them are well known to tell us what we want (Or NEED) to hear. What they truly believe may be another matter, they have to know there are other layers of the Spectrum above them with intelligent beings existing within them and these beings are not god's.

However they having an understanding of advanced space/dimensional jumping and the "Spooky" component to it, Have the ability to remove people's essence's and their own from their bodies etc... Have to understand that there is much more out there and the word "Atheist" would (In my opinion) be a very difficult color to paint most of "Them".

In my experience most believe in a "Source" with various belief systems of that "Source" which dance around being a "Religion" without being an actual Religion. Though that is what we try to say about Science here on Earth... and it is the largest Religion on the planet. Again, "IMHO from my ability to reason from the experiences in my reality bubble".

Again, I am not going to step on anyone else's perceived experience, information imparted to them in that experience or how that info was reasoned and dealt with intellectually in their reality bubble.

We all live in our own and bounce off each others, coalescing with one another at times depending on compatibility. The above is only based on my life experiences, encounters and so on..."

gardener2

1st September 2014, 15:43

Hello hogswitch I imagined we came here to help each other but from where i'm sitting there seems to be a bit of a conflict going on, I wasen't drawn here because I am trying to prove anything I simply told my story of my own personal experiences I am not out to scare anyone. I can only say I am glad I didn't go into detail I am a lot older than most of you and when I was a child there was no technology as such I learned at an early age not to speak about these things and for most of my life I studied all kinds of religions, I learned a lot and and I am grateful but I found religion was not for me, so I apologise if I have upset anyone, I will stand by what I said only because it is true, I guess I will have to be more careful in future. thank you for your input. gardener2 x

naste.de.lumina

1st September 2014, 15:47

I repeat. I think any kind of self proclaimed hierarchy is fraudulent.

As I said, it's not a hierarchy that decided these exopolitical rules. It was likely both polarities of ETs, with every aspect of ET that can be around being represented, and all parties that were interstellar at the time agreeing to such things. So it's not like some God came around and told ETs exopolitics... Or even any hierarchy at all.

My friend Omniverse.

I understood your explanation and logic on this issue.

What I'm trying to explain is that regardless of the motives or needs that led these organizations to create / define these 'rules', my spirit is also interstellar and eternal, has no way to be forced to agree.

Will fall again in the loop of authority. Someone or some others decided to define what is good and evil, beautiful and ugly, right and wrong, etc., based on a perception / illusion of who we are.

What interests governing these agreements? The interests of some are more important than others?

When is that rules are necessary? When there are conflicts of interest? Why are there conflicts of interest in the first place?

Can I include my interests too? Why not? Come first sets everything?

Maybe I'm an interstellar anarchic, so will have to force me to accept their 'policies'. I'll pay to see if they are capable. hehehe.

peace.

Naste.

Jake

1st September 2014, 16:04

Hey Omni,, I must chime in here a bit, as there seems to be some lingering confusion over much of this... (Rightly so, as all of this becomes VERY important.) I'm going to jump right in here, if you don't mind,, and BTW,, Awesome subject... Please don't hesitate to respond with doubts or concerns,, I only have a piece of the puzzle,, but I DO have a piece...

First of all,, being able to 'see' while out of body seems a bit strange, as we don't have eyes.. Eyes take in light information and process it in a way that the mind can interporate and apply the information.. It is not the eye, or the light that is doing the interporating,, The mind will make of it what it wants... While out of body,, (indeed not out of body, but expanded past the need to believe I am in a body in the first place,,) There are no limits to the 'sensing' that we are doing.. ie,,, every possible range of 'harmonic' light will be sensed, not just the human experience/light spectrum.. Again,, the mind has the ability to focus in on the information that we have become accustom to in the physical,, and recreate a 'human' perspective, whilst out of body... You are right to say that we do not 'leave the body',,, inasmuch as we ARE NOT IN THE BODY TO BEGIN WITH.. The eyes, and brain are receivers, but they are also projectors,, overlaying what is being received, with what is being PERcieved...

I also want to say a bit about potentials and variables and superposition, as it relates to quantum physics and the perception of reality... When it comes to the 'mass' in your body,, or the mass in anything,, or even what makes up a single particle or atom,,, the 'mass' is only perceived, it is not actually there.. When they started pointing coherent light (lasers) into the center of atoms,, the laser went right through it,, no mass. They determined that there was a 'probability' that an electron or proton was there,,, but not that it is ACTUALLY there... Furthermore,, (double slit experiment,,) we have determined that the smallest 'bits of info' or 'particles' remain in superposition (a variable or potential,, ie, not yet manifested,,) until it is observed or engaged by consciousness. The key ingredient to 'mass' is consciousness,, These variables and potentials do not become physical, until 'pulled' together by consciousness. There are vast fields, universes that only exist as potentials,,, (ie,, they don't exist in any physical way whatsoever,,) they come to life, as vast spheres of living consciousness engage them... And that is what creates physical reality,,, though it is not physical at all... not one bit,,, Just a trick of the mind,,, When we travel out of body,, we have only stripped back layers to show a more true self.. Physicality is an illusion, a 'dream',, if you like. There is no reason for faster than light travel, as the light, only exists if we engage it..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8M72pX5wlyE
The wave function collapsed,, like it 'knew' it was being watched... (it is all living consciousness)

I can imagine amazing technology that has incredible implications.. But I don't have much experience with it. Any advanced ET race would only use 'technology' as a means to an end,, and ONLY because we have forgotten how to stand our ground.. The most advanced tech, is devastating in the wrong hands,, likewise, it is a complete joke to others.. Physicality is a 'point of view'.. Most people haven't let that sink in yet... as long as folks insist on 'believing the illusion', then there will be higher beings that will be willing to use it against us..

With all of that said,, I no longer poopoo the idea of advanced technology being used to mind control and manipulate individuals, and the masses. That is where my piece of the puzzle ends, and yours begins... I mean, holy hell,, nobody can tell me that the moon isn't anything but advanced technology used to control this planet... (I've been there out of body,, not cool...)

I also know that many of the non-physicals have built up a world around them that requires 'physical state humans' for their survival.. Not just 'physical state humans',, but ones that are in turmoil... There is no reason that non-physicals cannot become 'physical'... (We did!!)

To insist that there is only a physical world, is to ensure your enslavement...

I'm going to re-read your OP, as I feel that I am just rambling now.. :(

Cheers, Omni.
Jake.

Omni

1st September 2014, 16:05

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Agape

1st September 2014, 16:09

I think it's quite difficult to agree on definitions in this area of 'observation' so far ,
for which there are two or three categorical reasons as I see it ~:

a/definitions are not known to the 'expert' : Self-proclaimed 'experts' can be found in many areas of life , many of them consider themselves 'hard core ' ( anything from rock'n'roll to science ) but there are 'soft core' experts too,
religious personalities sometimes fall to that category .

To put this to perspective .. how many people do have a crystal clear idea - or at least, a solid idea ( the kind an average astrophysicist should have ) of how to define 'hyperspace dimension' ( time-space field, basically ) ,
what way dimension can be defined in maths vs physics ,
and go by that definition.. because the bifurcation is there .

Personally , I don't agree with much of the new age terminology in use when describing ET Intelligence or paranormal phenomena including the word 'paranormal' in itself , being inherently flawed term and so forth .

b/correct definitions are not yet established ...

well, they are . But unless you know the full version of the truth , somehow , by direct experience , either scientific or amateur definitions are and will remain guesses .

It's not a criticism of something in particular, it's a fact . Theories are 'good guesses' based on many partial observations that have to be tested and placed to the right context and when it happens,
most usually they also happen to overrun the previous 'mother theory' .

There are too many terms not well defined , or even definable to most people reading this article ..so that we could ever arrive at common conclusions in big numbers.

Apart from the definition of 'dimension' , also the term 'soul' has been mentioned .. and it's something we all understand by heart, some take it literally ..

but for most people who either lack any larger truth and theory that would show clear meaning to them , on who are they , their 'souls' ,

the debate is more like philosophical in my opinion.

I would have to digress here to explain that my view on what human 'soul' is , is definable view and but ... does not automatically extend to all intelligent beings/creatures in the Universe .

The way human beings operate - as multi-dimensional beings, and inter-dimensionally - is unique to them and to this physical environment .
It is unique . There's no question whether such a polarised and dimensionally compartmentalised environment exists elsewhere in the 'intelligent Universe' , yes it does ,
but it's not a inherent and the only possible model for intelligent life to exist .

In most advanced civilisations known to me there is no 'I am body - I have soul' or 'I am soul ' I have body' paradigm.

This duality is , very specifically, human feature, partially because human bodies are short lived and mortal .

c/ definitions can be also , seriously flawed

So ..in a way , it's really difficult to predict what kind of response could one get for posting anything here , be it a truth or a theory ,

most people today , I feel have hard times with accepting or defining 'truth' or 'reality' as sort of entity , they're more influenced by modern science that charms its future ( yes we speak of science - promises not of science - presence ) followers with endless variations of fulfilled dreams and possibilities - quite like magic and religions did in times of old and quite like then ,
getting people convinced that 'we are now on the real deal ' .

Anyone knowing my real story also knows that these words of mine are not out to ridicule people or topics .

But knowing what someone else than you HAVE to say takes some time and effort .. I admit . Though , in my best opinion, if the only version of some important news would be written in Japanese , it's still worth translating it .. to understand the source .
If you miss the original source .. debating with interpreters of your dreams can go to infinite ..

James Randi , yep . I just thought about it , actually , last night ... and whether ( and why ) this human 'dimension' ( perceptional and physical ) is sensitive to ET intelligence ..I mean , in most cases .. it probably is not .

It's a long and deep question...

if I start with myself - I am 'the other thing' from deep inside .. is something you can't see or test unless you know me better . But I've met many people who cared to know me better in life and only some of them - well few were ready to know .

If you're James Randi - and jester of sort - the first idea that comes on your mind is 'beware someone is trying to stage smart joke' . If you are religious or scientific or any other sort of fanatic you can't accept certain things either , all because 'someone told you' and your interpretations of them .

Telepathy may be almost close to proven fact ... yet ... there are technical reasons for why it does not work as it should , in this 'human dimension'.

ET -Human contact does happen yet , there are technical reasons why the valid link between the two worlds, technically approvable link was not established ..certainly not from our side ..

Healings and miracles do happen ..but they don't happen all the time .

The closest possible explanation I can give you on the topic ..is a test I tried on this page , some time ago :

http://www.gotpsi.org/html/gotpsi.htm

I'm not sure the same tests may be available somewhere else without signing up but it's for free , in either case . You can test yourself ad nauseam and compare your results against everyone else who do the same test ( there's choice of ) in the same day, month , year etc .

The one that caught my attention was 'location test' . Basically, you get a blank ( blue ) piece of screen and try to locate 'blind target' , as close as possible, submit your choice , the real target position appears and they calculate how close you've been .
One run of the game has 10 runs , then they calculate your average .
One time ( at start ) I've got 485 to 1 above chance probability to hit the blind target so close . But then of course , with many runs .. I was 'walking the target around' , like a dog ;)

It's not why I mention it though it's interesting to try, each on your own .

The reason is that with ET-Human communication and many types of other, unexplored , psychic , etc . , phenomena the protocolar reality is actually , faintly similar to the effort of hitting blind target .

It works at certain intervals but it does not work perfectly, fro and back. Sometimes you're heard and the other person/entity/position is not , or vice versa.
You can't make up your own answers . Sometimes you have to . Sometimes they have to, I suppose, as well .

You can claim or fear that someones technologies are close to perfect . No, they're not . We are working across several dimensional boundaries .

The best tool - contrary to many science pro claims can be 'plain minds' , empathy , compassion, truth sense .
Even if thousand advanced devices around you say one thing , you may know otherwise .

:grouphug:

naste.de.lumina

1st September 2014, 16:57

Say what Simon says is true, and they can delete our soul's wisdom. Don't you think with such potent ability there needs to be rules to govern order, to prevent severe atrocities?

Destruction of the soul is an interesting topic for analysis.

The Soul is made up of energy. It is possible to destroy energy?

Information is also energy. It is possible to destroy information?

Make a test. Try to unlearn to drive a car to see if you can destroy any information / energy that is part of your consciousness.

Maybe just lock it, as already happens when we incarnate. Yet because we consent.

Destroy a soul is to destroy energy. Would be necessary to remove part of the universe. Send that energy where as the same can not just disappear? Exists outside the universe?

Fear of dying and fear of death are distinct.

Fear of dying is the physical, genetic, instinct, body pain.

Fear of death is fear of the unknown for those who are unaware of who they really are.

Hug.

Naste.

william r sanford72

1st September 2014, 17:11

Frogs...it goes back to the frogs for me.ya I know how strange that sounds..tho I will share something ive been able to do off and on since I was born.my mother grammother and wife have first hand dealt with what I bring back or manifest when on these astral trips.when I was much much younger it was sometimes turtles and toads..snakes even. this freaked my parents out pretty bad.to go to bed and then wake in the morning having a box turtle in the middle of the kitchen floor..I have a garden I visit that I travel to...its not outside..the garden is a huge indoor habitat..huge...I always go to a small section where the lighting is almost in violet light spectrum..purple ish..where there is a running stream..creek...a large pond and tress and such.some I know some I don't.there are animals.insect.and other things.and small creatures that would resemble what we know as fairys..even animals that know longer roam are mother earth.sometimes there are others..tho rarely..and we don't interact..not in the sense as conversations..mind wise or otherwise.this place is a safe real place for me and atleast some others.and tho what I suggest reads like a story..and sounds to far out..tho for me its normal.to a point.obes and remote viewing,telepathy.all of it..are very real in my worlds.and for some around me to.most times the obes and astral travel and psy ablitys are not something that happens all the time..nor control..since its been this way since my birth..its more like a automatic muscle..like the heart..or lungs..and im very reluctant to share because of this fact alone.and nope..im not alien..super human..not claiming that..just that ifn wee little ol me is a doing this then by the gods or not...then?????why not everyone???..and man I lost my point some where in my recalling..the moments..good thread..
thank you OMNI.
truth and balance always
William.

Omni

1st September 2014, 17:19

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gardener2

1st September 2014, 18:04

Hello Omniverse since I answered your post there have been a lot of conflicting ideas put forward and I appreciate that and I am aware of the twin split experiment it was amazing I love Jim Al Kahlili what I don't understand is somebody said here that (how can the soul see the body after it leaves the body) I really don't know how it is done but when I leave my body my vision is clearer than it was when I am in the body had I been trusting enough I could tell so much more but as it stands I get the feeling my story TRUE AS IT IS seems to be unacceptable and that really hurts so I will still continue to watch your posts and thank you for your wisdom. gardener 2 x

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1st September 2014, 19:58

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mojo

1st September 2014, 20:31

ED do have bodies within their dimensions and can phase into our dimension, beings of higher densities have bodies or vibratory constructs within their densities and can manipulate them consciously...
Thanks GoodeTXSG, your quote resonates with me after years of research, and this month makes 5 years, yay!

Sometimes exposing another possibility

That statement would have made IMHO a better opening for the thread, as "facade" means my hypothesis and others are negated... It's great to push the bounderies of our belief system though so I like that you stimulate thread discussion...:)

Omni

1st September 2014, 20:35

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GoodETxSG

1st September 2014, 21:36

Very True Omni,
The mind control and manipulation technologies both from Black Op's and AI groups use artificial constructs to make people think they are being contacted by other "Being's". They nick named some of this tech "Voice from God" technology. They have used this technology to make the enemy on the battlefield in the middle east think Allah is commanding them to surrender...

They have used it to convince people that ascended elders are communicating with them to provide "channelled" and spiritual information since the 80's. The list goes on and on. They make a person feel special or "Chosen" and use them as a conduit to throw DIS-info ontop of any legit info coming in...

This technology has been perfected and developed for decades and is extremely effective. One reason to have a very developed level of discernment as an individual and not accept "Beautiful Concepts" with blind faith. That indeed is a good point.

naste.de.lumina

1st September 2014, 21:58

Agape

1st September 2014, 22:03

I think that Buddha described all the 'interdimensional stuff' as 16 great 'empties' , emptinesses . I would describe the 'space' in between limits of any two dimensions as an abyss of emptiness where anything goes .

The interspace has a quality of its own , it behaves like a mirror , a prism that reflects all various images sent beyond the boundary , twists and restores them , making them to look alive .
It seems to be inhabited sphere but it's really a sphere of illusions . Even if they're powerful illusions they do not have life of their own .

It serves as part of common anthroposphere , like a 'Cloud' of a kind where you can store and share images and other pieces of mostly non-verbal information.
If you create and send out an image - for example - to the inter-space- the probability that someone will see 'your image' is large .

But out of that probability, there'll be percentual twist to the information sent and received . The way Space reflects images is not even .

If you have 10 people in a room 'seeing a ghost' or 'having vision of Deity' , each of them will describe something , slightly different .

Basically, any message/information sent from one dimension ( time-space of characteristic properties ) to another , has to pass through the medium of inter-space where it can be anything from lost .. to weakened .. or seriously twisted .

There are tricks around this - of course - but they're 'energy costly' . Every attempt to establish 'valid link' between dimensional fields of differing qualities requires about the same amount of energy you could , generally spend on escaping a solar system - for minute .
Not sure our phone company would pay that ... anyway ;)

Of course there's plenty of theatre that can be done in lower layers of the interspace by technologies .. and is being done .. whether it affects you really depends on what are you exposed to .

Omni

1st September 2014, 22:03

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naste.de.lumina

1st September 2014, 22:05

This video demonstrates very clearly how our holographic brain perceives reality. Additionally it also demonstrates that the information is not stored in the physical brain.

The part of religion addressed at the end of the video does not mean my personal opinion. I think the information as a whole is worth.

Well if it's not part of the brain, the US gov has figured out how to manipulate and delete memories metaphysically. I have a unique perspective on this because the US government has damaged my brain so much I no longer have a natural functioning memory. My memory is provided by AI as I understand it. When I sit there without assistance(which so totally sucks), I sit there trying to remember anything that isn't in my mind from mental inertia, and come up totally blank.

If the soul was the real memory source, then why does for example, cannabis alter memory? Am I to understand it would be via metaphysical memory alteration? I do not believe such is the case. I didn't watch the video though. I have a very hard time watching long videos on youtube due to interference...

the brain is also an illusion

Roisin

1st September 2014, 22:27

GoodETxSG

1st September 2014, 22:50

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"Reality is an illusion the universe is a hologram" I was shocked to hear this stated on a Disney show my daughter was watching "Gravity Fall's"... It got my attention.

This is a concept that is gaining popularity and is being seeded into people's subconscious through sci fi cartoons and adults shows and books. When this was mentioned on the Disney show my 11 daughter started asking me some pretty deep questions. I had the opportunity to explain my understanding of quantum physics and how everything from light, sound to matter (The floor beneath our feet, couch we were sitting on and the walls around us) were all various frequincies of vibrations.

I remember telling her about all the wonderful things her and her 3 year old brother had the potential to experience if the walls of secrecy come crumbling down...

Then I remembered my grandfather (Naval SF/Intel in Black Projects) telling me the same thing when I was about that age. I just hope they experience these things in an open society someday and not through the inherited nonconsentual invitation's into these programs as I did.

This video demonstrates very clearly how our holographic brain perceives reality. Additionally it also demonstrates that the information is not stored in the physical brain.

The part of religion addressed at the end of the video does not mean my personal opinion. I think the information as a whole is worth.

Well if it's not part of the brain, the US gov has figured out how to manipulate and delete memories metaphysically. I have a unique perspective on this because the US government has damaged my brain so much I no longer have a natural functioning memory. My memory is provided by AI as I understand it. When I sit there without assistance(which so totally sucks), I sit there trying to remember anything that isn't in my mind from mental inertia, and come up totally blank.

If the soul was the real memory source, then why does for example, cannabis alter memory? Am I to understand it would be via metaphysical memory alteration? I do not believe such is the case. I didn't watch the video though. I have a very hard time watching long videos on youtube due to interference...

the brain is also an illusion

Agape

1st September 2014, 22:57

That the gov't even experimented with something like Remote Viewing gives indication that they are probably much, much further beyond using that technique to the point where they are in contact with para-physical intelligence's who actually materialize in various densities to them on a regular basis. That means that they also record with their cams all of those visitations too. In addition to this, they are also most likely in direct communications with them via audio technology too.

Do I believe what I just wrote above? Absolutely.

They can't still see anywhere else than slightly beyond what an average human can see , minus the sophisticated tools .
It means they can't see 'far beyond' your dimension . Even most of the 'astral activity' , out-of-dimensional 'stuff' as defined and EXPERIENCED both by spiritual seekers, researchers and conspiracy theorists , ET contactees etc ., it all still happens 'within' the earthly magnetosphere , to put it simply , not 'out of it' . Including RV experiments and stargates and your personal or impersonal wormholes and what people claim to be 'totally out-spaced' is still happening in the larger human continuum .

If you would EVER I mean .. find yourself in someones elses dimensional territory , and more specifically, should it be also inhabited zone, very few if any laws and truths you go by here would apply there as well .

'Reality' is powerful in that aspect it creates the most solid of matter in the Universe . You need all kinds of physical properties to maintain a stable , survivable time-space field for a long time .
It does not have to be the same as 'yours' and in fact, the chance it'd be even similar is low .

But to maintain its existence, it has to be a solid sort of reality . It won't break down on shining little beam on it or two .

Speaking of ET dimensions - that are way more technically advanced , they could basically 'consume' the time-space of this little planet if that was worth the trouble . You or I ( rhetorically ) would never realise it's happened because we would wake up next morning and the whole reality would change, including our past , present and future memories of it ..

not all of them of course - that's how we would know anyway . You can twist someones else reality to some extent, for some time but not indefinitely . The reality behind events is strong enough to push its way through its own causes and consequences .

In either case, if anyone got truly 'to the other side' you'd see how none of your technologies would apply , for starters, secondly , your body-mind complex functions differently and I doubt you'd consider yourself the same you are now.

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GoodETxSG

2nd September 2014, 00:18

Looking again at some of what is being said I think maybe some of us may be trying to communicate the same concepts with different communication styles... I am often wrong but if I am on to something here maybe this info (Some of you have already touched on... VERY sharp minds here on Avalon... LOVE IT HERE!!!) can give us some more points to converge or diverge on... If you will please humor me in a bit of a long post. My apologies in advance. Not all of these data points are onese I totally agree with but it is food for thought and the conversation, IMHO...
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Frequency & The Law of Vibration
The Procession of the Ages

Published on Mar 3, 2013

The Law of Vibration:

The Law of vibration might not be as well known as the Law of Attraction. However - the Law of Vibration serves as the foundation for the Law of Attraction.

To understand this it is important to know that everything is energy. Science, through Quantum Physics, is showing us that everything in our universe is energy.

When we go down on a sub-atomic level we do not find matter, but pure energy. Some called this the unified field or the matrix. Others talk about pure potentiality - all being energy

Everything vibrates:

This Universal Law states that everything in the Universe moves and vibrates - everything is vibrating at one speed or another. Nothing rests. Everything you see around you is vibrating at one frequency or another and so are you. However your frequency is different from other things in the universe - hence it seems like you are separated from what you see around you - people, animals, plants, trees and so on. BUT you are not separated - you are in fact living in an ocean of energy - we all are. We are all connected at the lowest level - a level professor John Hagelin calls the unified field.

Everything has its own vibrational frequency - the table - the car - the picture frame - the rock - even our thoughts and feelings. It is all governed by The Law of Vibration.

A table may look solid and still, but within the table are millions of millions of subatomic particles "running around" and "popping" with energy. The table is pure energy and movement. Everything in this universe has its own vibrational frequency. It is The Law of Vibration in action. However we can't see it so it appears separate and solid to us. It is actually an illusion.

The Law of Vibration is real. Even if you can't see it it does not mean that it is not true.

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How Cutting-Edge Science Proves You Can Create Your Own Reality
http://www.quantumjumping.com/articles/parallel-universe/creating-reality/

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The solidity of our world seems indisputable, yet Quantum Physics has proved that our physical reality is nothing but a very elaborate mirage. A super-hologram of information. A matrix…

So how do we see, touch, feel, smell the things that surround us if none of it really exists?

The answer is that all physical matter is the result of a frequency. A frequency that if you alter, change or amplify in any way, you change your physical and current reality.

German physicist and founder of Quantum Theory, Max Planck, said that “all matter originates and exists only by virtue of a force which brings the particle of an atom to vibration and holds this most minute solar system of the atom together. We must assume behind this force the existence of a conscious and intelligent mind. This mind is the matrix of all matter.”
Consciousness And Your Reality

Basically, the substance of the Universe, of your reality, is consciousness. There is an ocean of pure, vibrant consciousness inside each one of us right at the source of thought, mind and matter. In other words, consciousness is the programming language of the Universe and everywhere that consciousness explores with the expectation that something will be there, it also creates.

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So, to simplify… the act of exploration is the act of creation.

As Edward Cayce said, our every thought builds our reality. So we should be very careful about what we believe. Since reality is holographic, you help create it by believing it.

To change your current reality, all you need to do is change the frequency of your thoughts.

A way to do this is through a concept called Octave Programming. This concept is probably the MOST IMPORTANT process one must master to become a Quantum Jumper.

Let me explain the octave sequence.

An octave is usually looked at as a unit of 7, the 8th unit being an octave above the first. As example in music, the middle C note is an octave above the 8th note below it and an octave below the 8th note above it.

On the physical plane, music is identified by frequencies per second, known as hertz. Just as the brain exports frequencies, so does a piano, violin, trumpet, or any other instrument. Octaves double the frequency.

As example, if a note has a frequency of 400 hertz, the note an octave below it will have a frequency of 200 hertz, and by the same measurement, the unit above it will have a frequency of 800 hertz.

Going up the octave path and doubling the frequency and you will soon be unable to hear the sound as the human ear is not equipped to hear above 20,000 frequencies per second. The range of hearing for a healthy young person is from 20 hertz to 20,000. As one grows older the hearing deteriorates and a middle aged person will hear only frequencies below 12,000 per second.
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As above, so below, as below, so above, is an ancient metaphysical axiom. When we look at the frequencies that the brain sends out we see that the attitude of the individual is the determining factor in setting the hertz value, and thus the octave of the thought. create your reality A person can speak or sing in different octaves and people all have a different speaking voice. As it is with musical vibrations, so it is with all physical vibrations, and so it is with mental vibrations as well. You can identify a person by the frequencies they export although you do not realize that’s one of the means of identification. What is not commonly realized is that people think in different frequencies and octaves as well.

A shy person as an example, has a frequency that encourages shyness while an outgoing person is working from a different frequency, a different octave so to speak.

When you are unhappy with your current reality, it is very often the case that you are operating from the wrong frequency.

Quantum Jumping will help you change your frequency to the right one.
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Vibration A Fundamental Characteristic Of Energy

Vibration is one of the most fundamental characteristics of the entire Universe from the very highest vibration of The Source, The First Cause, of God, down to the physical world of matter. Vibration is an integral component of the great continuum of the Universe, manifesting an infinite number of characteristics. Energy is vibration; human beings consist entirely of pure Energy in the form of a physical body, even though the human body and physical surroundings might appear to be solid in accordance with the five physical senses.

How can this be? Matter comprises smaller units known as molecules, and still smaller units known as atoms. Yet smaller still we find sub-atomic particles which in turn are made up of still finer particles and so on, until the ultimate constitution of anything is of pure Energy vibrating at specific rates according to individual characteristics. From The Source, The Prime Creator, God, down to the densest of matter there are an infinite number of modes of vibration. This is also now one of the basic accepted principles of quantum physics with the discovery that sub-atomic particles are ultimately not particles at all, but are rather progressively more subtle forms, until ultimately consisting of vibration, pure Energy and units of probability.

This Energy is also known as “Light”. This is not the light commonly known in the physical Universe as for example emanating from The Sun, but rather the Primordial Light from which everything in the Universe was created, lives and has its Being, the Primordial Light of God. As observed by quantum physicist David Bohm, the physical Universe of matter can be considered to be “frozen Light”.

So how do we reconcile this with multi-dimensional reality? We need to look at vibration much more closely in order to understand this. Most people know sound for example is vibration, and a very powerful vibration at that. Loud noises cause windows and other structures to vibrate, and indeed a sound of a high enough pitch or amplitude can cause fragile objects to shatter completely.

The frequency range of perception of the ear of the average human is from around twenty vibrations per second, up to around twenty thousand vibrations per second. Moving up the vibrational scale we reach electricity at around one billion vibrations per second. Moving up the vibrational scale further still we encounter heat at two hundred billion vibrations per second. Further up the scale the spectrum of visible colours vibrate in a range of around five hundred billion vibrations per second, and yet higher still is the invisible spectrum of colour including infra-red and ultra-violet. And so we can move further progressively up through the levels of vibration, still manifesting as Energy known to science, until we reach the higher levels where we encounter x-rays which vibrate at around two trillion vibrations per second.

As we progress up still higher in the scale of vibration we reach levels which do not manifest any characteristics known yet to modern science, and are therefore largely still ignored, overlooked or deemed not to exist at all; in other words vibration is often deemed by science to be finite as it pertains to the physical world and can be measured by scientific instrumentation.

However the reality is very, and fundamentally different. It is erroneous to conclude that progressively higher levels of vibration do not exist, simply because they cannot be observed or measured by science. Vibrating at speeds completely beyond the comprehension and observation of science are the inner dimensions of the planes of correspondence, The Great Astral, Mental and Spiritual planes. Ultimately, if something were to raise its vibrations to a high enough level it would rejoin The Source, God, The First Cause, and this indeed is the same ultimate destiny of every human being, each constantly raising vibrations of the Soul and Spirit by virtue of the process of perfection, ultimately realising the potential to achieve vibrational harmony with God, at which point the vibration of the Spiritual body of the individual would be approaching that of God.

In addition, all life manifesting at any level of the continuum of the Universe vibrates at a level being exactly equivalent to the plane or sub-plane they occupy, but each at the same time exhibiting characteristics providing all forms of life in the Universe with unique individuality.

It is due to the fact that a Soul or Spirit body of a human being vibrates in harmony, at the same rate or frequency as the plane, sphere, dimension being occupied, that everything seems, and indeed is totally solid and real. This of course also applies to the physical world, which is also a rate of vibration, as is every human being and indeed all forms of life and everything else existing in the physical Universe.

Everything is Energy and therefore vibration. Everyone and everything therefore “tunes” into the plane, world, sphere, dimension, corresponding to their own unique vibration. This is analogous to television or radio whereby although there are thousands of programs all being broadcast into the Ether concurrently, it is only usually possible to tune into one such program being broadcast at its own particular frequency at any one time.

Beyond the confines of the physical world of matter, frequency of vibration, Energy is therefore the means by which all life manifests and exists within its own unique, individual, corresponding level, or plane and state of reality. This also fully explains why humans, and indeed all forms of life upon passing on to the Astral worlds after the “death” of the physical body find a world which is every bit as “solid” and “real” as the physical world; in fact the Astral worlds are much more “solid”, and more “real” and vibrant than the physical world, and this becomes progressively more the case with the ascent to the ever inner spheres. The higher the level of Energy, the finer are the corresponding vibrations, and accordingly everyone and everything within that level of Energy or vibration will be much more “finely tuned” with it. Physical matter by comparison, being at the lowest level of Energy and vibration is extremely coarse.

So everything in the Universe, The All, God is in a perpetual state of vibration, up to and including The Source Energy Who exhibits a level of vibration of such an infinitely high degree and of such intensity that He/She can almost be considered to be at rest. Such levels of vibration are far, far beyond any current human comprehension. This can be conceptualised on the physical plane by observing spoked wheel from a sideways perspective, spinning ever faster. The wheel soon achieves such a rate of rotation as to appear stationary and not spinning at all, its spokes appearing to be invisible to the physical senses of the human eye.

As discussed earlier, science now recognises the fact that the “phenomena” with which everyone is so familiar such as heat, light, temperature and magnetism are all but differing degrees of vibration, each exhibiting unique characteristics, and each of which everyone can readily recognise and experience by means of the five biological senses. Modern science however is nevertheless still struggling to fully explain such important characteristics as cohesion, molecular attraction and affinity, and in particular the very force keeping everything rooted firmly on the ground, thereby preventing things from floating off into space; the force of gravity.

Vibration plays an extremely important part in the everyday lives of everyone by way of normal thinking processes and states of being. Thought’s, emotions, desires, temperament indeed any mental state of Mind or being are all ultimately degrees and aspects of Energy as vibration, as of course is thought itself. This is just one reason why in the collective plane of the human Mind thoughts can, often unwittingly or even intentionally be projected, and can affect other people by the process of induction. These are major factors in so called “paranormal phenomena” which people recognise as “telepathy” and other forms of Mind power. It is also the reason why a persons “mood” can affect those around that person, a “mood” simply being an energetic state of vibration.

It is a most important fact that every single thought, every single state of Mind and every single emotion is each characterised by its own unique vibration. In the physical world of matter these vibrations and “thought forms” are not readily apparent to the physical senses, however as we will see later in this book, in the infinitely finer degrees of the Astral worlds and beyond, thoughts and thought forms can actually be seen to be instantly created and projected, and which thought forms will persist in accordance with the level of Energy with which they were originally projected.

Those who understand these laws of vibration and mentalism can exercise a high degree of control over their own individual thought processes, thus gaining a high level of control over their own states of Mind, moods and emotions. In the same way, a person who is well practiced in these disciplines can also affect the Minds of others by applying the same laws; very often people do this without even realising it. On the Mental plane therefore, and in particular on the plane of the human Mind, people produce thought Energy, vibrations which can effect themselves and the people around them either unintentionally or at will. It should be pointed out that conscious and effective use of these abilities can usually only be acquired by the means of dedication and practice over some period of time, although there are a very few people in existence who can command these powers as a natural ability, often from birth.

The principles we have discussed so far will explain many of the so called “phenomena” that have been demonstrated over the ages by the great Masters, Adepts, Guru’s and others, often considered to be “miracles”. All these people are really doing is to consciously control completely natural Universal laws, and in particular, in the case of physical manifestations, the law of vibration, in order to alter or transmute one form of Energy, vibration, into another form of Energy, thereby altering the form of physical objects. This would appear as miraculous to those who have yet to fully comprehend the law of vibration, and indeed comprehend all Universal laws, but yet is an ability that everyone has the potential to realise.
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The Good Vibrations of Quantum Field Theories
By Don Lincoln on Mon, 05 Aug 2013

It’s not unusual for me to receive mail questioning quantum mechanics and special relativity. I’ll admit, these ideas can sound a bit crazy. For some people, these ideas are simply too counterintuitive to accept. Occasionally, I can convince a correspondent that they accurately describe the universe. But I have some bad news for my pen pals: physicists no longer think about the universe in these simple terms. Our experiments have long shown the subatomic realm to be far more mind-blowing than those modestly-perplexing ideas. It has been nearly a century after all. In the words of my teenage daughter, those ideas are soooooooo 1920s.

Quantum mechanics tells us that an electron is both a particle and a wave and you can never be certain what it will do. Relativity tells us that clocks aren’t absolute, distances depend on the observer, and that energy can be converted into matter and back again. These ideas are still correct, but they’re just the tip of the iceberg.

Physicists now use a class of theories called quantum field theories, or QFTs, which were first postulated in the late 1920s and developed over the following decades. QFTs are intriguing, but they take some getting used to. To start, let’s think only about electrons. Everywhere in the universe there is a field called the electron field. A physical electron isn’t the field, but rather a localized vibration in the field. In fact, every electron in the universe is a similar localized vibration of that single field.

Electrons aren’t the only particles to consist of localized vibrations of a field; all particles do. There is a photon field, an up quark field, a gluon field, a muon field; indeed there is a field for every known particle. And, for all of them, the thing that we visualize as a particle is just a localized vibration of that field. Even the recently discovered Higgs boson is like this. The Higgs field interacts with particles and gives them their mass, but it is hard to observe this field directly. Instead, we supply energy to the field in particle collisions and cause it to vibrate. When we say “we’ve discovered the Higgs boson,” you should think “we’ve caused the Higgs field to vibrate and observed the vibrations.”

This idea gives an entirely different view of how the subatomic world works. Spanning all of space are a great variety of different fields that exist everywhere, just like how a certain spot can simultaneously have a smell, a sound, and a color. What we think of as a particle is simply a vibration of its associated field.

This has significant consequences on how we think about how particles interact. For instance, consider a simple process whereby two electrons are fired at one another and are scattered. In the quasi-classical view of scattering, one electron emits a photon and then recoils. The photon travels to the other electron, which also recoils. This is like having two people in boats and having one of them throw a sack to the other—the thrower’s boat moves in response to the mass of the sack, as does the catcher’s boat.

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A traditional Feynman diagram (top) and the same subatomic process using quantum field thinking (bottom). On the left, a photon field is vibrating and the quark and gluon fields are quiescent. When the photon makes a quark and antiquark pair, the quark field is vibrating while the other two fields have no excitation. Finally, when the quark and antiquark combine to make a gluon, only the gluon field has a vibration.

In the QFT approach, a vibration in the electron field induces a vibration in the photon field. The photon field vibration transports energy and momentum to another electron vibration and is absorbed.

In the well-known process where a photon converts into an electron and an antimatter electron, the photon field vibrations are transferred to the electron field and two sets of vibrations are set up—one consistent with an electron vibration and the other consistent with the antimatter electron.

This idea of fields and vibrations explains how the universe works at a deep and fundamental level. These fields span all of space. Some fields can “see” other fields, while being blind to others. The photon field can interact with the fields of charged particles but cannot see gluon or neutrino fields. On the other hand, a photon can interact indirectly with the gluon field, first by making quark vibrations which then make gluon vibrations. It’s kind of like when two quarrelling siblings use a third to pass messages.

Quantum fields are really a mind-bending way of thinking. Everything—and I mean everything—is just a consequence of many infinitely-large fields vibrating. The entire universe is made of fields playing a vast, subatomic symphony. Physicsts are trying to understand the melody.

Go Deeper
Author’s picks for further reading
QED. Richard P. Feynman.
The Particle at the End of the Universe. Sean Carroll.
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Interaction of radiation with matter
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/mod3.html#c5
You may click on any of the types of radiation for more detail about its particular type of interaction with matter. The different parts of the electromagnetic spectrum have very different effects upon interaction with matter. Starting with low frequency radio waves, the human body is quite transparent. (You can listen to your portable radio inside your home since the waves pass freely through the walls of your house and even through the person beside you!) As you move upward through microwaves and infrared to visible light, you absorb more and more strongly. In the lower ultraviolet range, all the uv from the sun is absorbed in a thin outer layer of your skin. As you move further up into the x-ray region of the spectrum, you become transparent again, because most of the mechanisms for absorption are gone. You then absorb only a small fraction of the radiation, but that absorption involves the more violent ionization events. Each portion of the electromagnetic spectrum has quantum energies appropriate for the excitation of certain types of physical processes. The energy levels for all physical processes at the atomic and molecular levels are quantized, and if there are no available quantized energy levels with spacings which match the quantum energy of the incident radiation, then the material will be transparent to that radiation, and it will pass through.
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naste.de.lumina

2nd September 2014, 02:18

GoodETxSG

2nd September 2014, 16:01

Thank you naste.de.lumina,
Some times I catch some guff for my long posts... :)

naste.de.lumina

2nd September 2014, 16:30

Thank you naste.de.lumina,
Some times I catch some guff for my long posts... :)

I personally appreciate posts with 'substance'.

Especially when the intention is to clarify and / or add something that is believed important and relevant in the context.

Wishing to demonstrate our views and when the amount of information we have (right or wrong) is voluminous, it becomes virtually impossible to summarize it in a condensed post.

You have my sympathy and encouragement to continue presenting us with your clever and unique insights.

thanks

Hug.

Naste.

naste.de.lumina

3rd September 2014, 00:28

I'm not Buddhist but this is one of my favorites.

There is a huge wave of energy moving around us to keep all this balanced structure of reality. This wave can provide an incredible expansion of consciousness. It seems that the movie is being played faster some years ago.

Where Science and Buddhism Meet: Emptiness, Interconnectivity and the Nature of Reality

P__d0WyN0HE

Intuitively I think the secret of talented magicians is the focus of the form / thought added to certain sound frequencies that stimulate electrons to behave in waves form , and thus mold and directs them. Intent.

Hugs.

Naste.

DNA

3rd September 2014, 01:28

For me personally, I think it is a matter of density. For instance, I've seen nature beings in the woods. I didn't just happen on them while I was walking along. I was in an intense super deep mediation, and in each instance, (there were three instances), I think the beings noticed me and stopped in to try to communicate.

Now I understand that this is my personal experience and as such it is subject to scrutiny and disbelief and I say that is fair.

So back to the density thing.
Each time I witnessed one of these folks, they seemed to be ghostlike.
I've seen several ghosts, like hundreds, and that is no big deal.
The nature beings had bodies and I could get into it, but I could tell they needed to eat and were living in a manner where they had to gain their daily sustainance.
I do not think they are normally visible.
I think virgin nature settings are virtually teeming with these beings, but that we have to activate our third eye in order to view them.

For the record although I compared their form to something that is ghostlike, for me personally, I could tell that they were slightly more substansive.

Now would these beings be considered interdimensional?
Do these folks live in a slightly different version of earth where we are the ghostlike beings to them?
I don't know.
But for me, it seems they are interacting with the nature settings as they appear in OUR world.
Which lends me to believe they live here just like we do, but they are of a different density.

naste.de.lumina

3rd September 2014, 03:19

For me personally, I think it is a matter of density. For instance, I've seen nature beings in the woods. I didn't just happen on them while I was walking along. I was in an intense super deep mediation, and in each instance, (there were three instances), I think the beings noticed me and stopped in to try to communicate.

Now I understand that this is my personal experience and as such it is subject to scrutiny and disbelief and I say that is fair.

So back to the density thing.
Each time I witnessed one of these folks, they seemed to be ghostlike.
I've seen several ghosts, like hundreds, and that is no big deal.
The nature beings had bodies and I could get into it, but I could tell they needed to eat and were living in a manner where they had to gain their daily sustainance.
I do not think they are normally visible.
I think virgin nature settings are virtually teeming with these beings, but that we have to activate our third eye in order to view them.

For the record although I compared their form to something that is ghostlike, for me personally, I could tell that they were slightly more substansive.

Now would this beings be considered interdimensional?
Do these folks live in a slightly different version of earth where we are the ghostlike beings to them?
I don't know.
But for me, it seems they are interacting with the nature settings as they appear in OUR world.
Which lends me to believe they live here just like we do, but they are of a different density.

That's it. And these different densities are caused by different frequency bands. How the different notes of the harmonic sound.

I have a vague idea of how many tracks there are actually trapped by the earth's magnetic field. I think I noticed some realities (Matrixes) different.

But they are here, around us all the time. Realize it or not.

And also has authority. One way or another. Notice.

I'm probably wrong on many points, but do not intend to give up my freedom and sovereignty for that reason. The problem is theirs.

Naste.

gardener2

3rd September 2014, 16:07

Hello Omniverse PLEASE don't feel bad I love your post's I think I was just over sensitive, its just great to be part of this group of like minded people and over the yrs of holding back I was beginning to feel I could begin to open up. I apologise I really didn't do a good job of expressing myself and got a little anxious. Hope you will all forgive me, sorry. Gardener 2 x

birddog

6th September 2014, 23:31

I have seen them too. Once I was pulling into the driveway years ago, after college classes. It was dark and there was a full moon. I turned off the car and the lights went out. Then I noticed little right angled lime green beings crawling about the bushes in my front yard. They were about 2' tall, and there was one to a bush. I noticed that the life force of the bush was lit and aglow. It was a trail, much like our blood, that flowed from branch. There was also a 'beating heart' of the bush that was on the opposite side of where these little beings were crawling about. I watched...and after awhile they all changed sides on the bush, and the beating of the heart of the bush changed sides, too. These were the little nature spirits that were ministering to the lifeforce of the plants, much like the angels minister to us. I was wide awake. These guys are interdimensional, and it was the first time that I had noticed all of the work that they do.

I have since seen the 'little people' and the fairies...esp the fairies...they like to dance on the flowers. The little people don't like to be seen, but if you are of a joyful heart, then the fairies may show themselves to you.

findingneo

15th October 2017, 09:27

I am totally amazed. I thought this site of all sites would be very much familiar with, and full of chat about, inter-dimensionals.