Harmony & less individuality in other lives...

[Natalia]

A few days ago I was pondering a little on loneliness...the deep kinda loneliness that some of us feel is related to "not being from here"...

I pictured myself as a light being (without a body) on another planet...and others around me...and it felt so harmonious...we were all very similar in nature...

And from that feeling I got the thought "individuality makes you lonely"!...

If we were all the same or very similar in every way...we would not be lonely...(?)...

I am looking forward to "going back" (the lovely peace and feeling connected to each other) and I have had a deep desire to meet others close enough to me in that way, on this planet...there is a little bit of me in everyone and a little bit of everyone in me...but it's not the same...

That place was so different to here...that's why here can feel like a bit of a shock...(even to those of us who have been here before...say if we come here after being elsewhere...)...

So in that sense...my deep loneliness in this way may never be completely healed on this planet...only when I go back...guess it's just part of what needs to accepted...

But...we can find our soul family here (some of them) and others who are more like us than most people are...and we feel like there is somewhere here where we belong, and with someone/s...

[Natalia]

But it's not just that, it's also the way of life here - so different...and for the most part in this day and age, not very natural...

[Skyhaven]

A few days back I had a dream of being in a place with others where we communicated through emotions... i'm not sure how to explain it, but it seemed clear that the emotions were not mine, but yet I could experience them... it felt clear what was conveyed, and the connection felt strong...

But here in this reality there are words, no real direct link through emotions, just a connection of words, meaning and so on... and often when there is emotion I need to build 'walls' because the energies I pick up from others drain mine...

[Wind]

I know what you mean. Human life on this level can be very complicated, lonely and tiresome at times. Our destiny is a harmonious one while this physical reality is going through a shift, not many people can even imagine how the life is in the higher planes. In this physically dense and muddy reality and I express myself through words which cannot fully disclose my deeper feelings. Though I know that some can understand them like I can.

[Skyhaven]

In this physically dense and muddy reality and I express myself through words which cannot fully disclose my deeper feelings. Though I know that some can understand them like I can.

There are lot of them out there, but often not right around the corner... happily we have the internet to cross the distance, but having just a distant connection through words, sounds and imagery makes it a little hard...

[Observer1964]

nice to read i'm not the only one who feels he is "not being from here", and "individuality makes you lonely" and looking forward to "going back"...

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[Skyhaven]

This song just popped into my head:

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[Frederick Jackson]

When I was in my deepest travail and despair a number of years ago I would be walking down the street saying to myself, "I am not of this world." But his was the world of men. You are never alone in Reality. And the plants and animals are my true brothers and sisters. The sun and the moon my parents. Being utterly alone is good if you can come through the other side to experience your utter belonging,

ps I hope I am not sounding like a guru of any sort.

[Skyhaven]

I really need a lot of alone time... Wind posted this quote yesterday in the Surf thread and it really makes a lot of sense to me when it comes to other people:

-People think being alone makes you lonely, but I don't think that's true. Being surrounded by the wrong people is the loneliest thing in the world-

[Natalia]

On words...it is nice when you can be silent with people and when they "get you" without feeling like you have to explain yourself too much...

I have built my human communication skills somewhat, which I saw and felt that I needed to do, and feel more connected to others in general than I used to, and I am grateful for that (makes life easier and more enjoyable for me -in some ways, like at work)...

But still, it's not the same...

The knowing of "you are not alone", which is sometimes a good reminder (like in the Michael Jackson song or when someone sais it lovingly), doesn't fully take away that deep inner loneliness...but can a bit or enough at the time...perhaps some loneliness is natural...seems so to me...

And on individuality...it can be pretty enjoyable, too...interesting and exciting! I don't want my partner or my friends to be the same as me in all ways, and sometimes opposites and differences attract and compliment...

So, it's not just individuality that can make us feel lonely, but what the differences are and the effects that they can have....

[Roisin]

Interesting topic and the posts here in this thread have been an interesting read too!

[BlueMuffin]

When I was in my deepest travail and despair a number of years ago I would be walking down the street saying to myself, "I am not of this world." But his was the world of men. You are never alone in Reality. And the plants and animals are my true brothers and sisters. The sun and the moon my parents. Being utterly alone is good if you can come through the other side to experience your utter belonging,

ps I hope I am not sounding like a guru of any sort.

A good guru if that, At least.

I liked this comment because I can relate. I've always felt isolated and was even further isolated for an extended period of time given certain life circumstances, and at first there was much despair.

Throughout time and solitude however, I began to connect more with anything other than human, respecting and tuning into the cycles of nature and was completely changed by the long enduring experience.

I suppose the problem in some ways now is I much prefer the solitude as opposed to the daily grind and find it hard to relate to many people as they all seem to be caught up in needless drama and the hectic pace "modern" life has to offer us.

[Natalia]

I believe/see/feel that the only way that I will feel a continuous complete or near complete belonging here is if I was with my soulmate and soul family who are loving and aligned...(not with the ones who are currently less so...)...(and I mean, when I am with them, not with being here on planet Earth...)...

[johnf]

When I was in my deepest travail and despair a number of years ago I would be walking down the street saying to myself, "I am not of this world." But his was the world of men. You are never alone in Reality. And the plants and animals are my true brothers and sisters. The sun and the moon my parents. Being utterly alone is good if you can come through the other side to experience your utter belonging,

ps I hope I am not sounding like a guru of any sort.


A good guru if that, At least.

I liked this comment because I can relate. I've always felt isolated and was even further isolated for an extended period of time given certain life circumstances, and at first there was much despair.

Throughout time and solitude however, I began to connect more with anything other than human, respecting and tuning into the cycles of nature and was completely changed by the long enduring experience.

I suppose the problem in some ways now is I much prefer the solitude as opposed to the daily grind and find it hard to relate to many people as they all seem to be caught up in needless drama and the hectic pace "modern" life has to offer us.

I find nothing in either of the above statements that is telling me what to do or be.
Therefore no guruism or guruitis.
Each of you are sharing your individual experience, and showing the before and after pictures, and what you did to get there, I have had similar experiences, and always seem to do better when I do not grab onto what someone else tells me I should do .
Each of us knows who we are, and when we follow that we are less lonely because we are ourselves.

John

[BlueMuffin]

I find nothing in either of the above statements that is telling me what to do or be.
Therefore no guruism or guruitis.
Each of you are sharing your individual experience, and showing the before and after pictures, and what you did to get there, I have had similar experiences, and always seem to do better when I do not grab onto what someone else tells me I should do .
Each of us knows who we are, and when we follow that we are less lonely because we are ourselves.

John

Yeah, I was more taking a light hearted comical approach and not actually implying that he was a Guru, just that I found what he had said to be poignant. : )

[Finefeather]

I believe/see/feel that the only way that I will feel a continuous complete or near complete belonging here is if I was with my soulmate and soul family who are loving and aligned...(not with the ones who are currently less so...)...(and I mean, when I am with them, not with being here on planet Earth...)...
Dear Amethyst
I was reading your posts and a few things came to me which I will jot down for your consideration...feel free to ignore them if you please, I have no desire to change you...you can do that yourself :)

If we incarnate, we are here for a reason...we do not just pop down here to be lonely ...more likely we would be here to learn that loneliness is a lack of knowing that we are one with all...not just with those we think gives us some feeling of happiness.

Those who know, experience great joy and happiness...even when alone for years...because they know that life itself is divine and needs to be cherished and that the time we spend here should be used as best we can for our growth.

There is a state called...melancholy..."a feeling of pensive sadness, typically with no obvious cause"...which is a rather negative state to be in because we sit around wondering about ourselves and getting nowhere fast...and start making up all kinds of reasons for our condition.

It is a fact that we are linked individually with others in a clan or group or family when we complete each life...but even so, your incarnation could very well be to teach you the lesson of being with others in order to experience the nature of unity. Life has a very definite goal and you are certainly not excluded...we incarnate to expand our consciousness...to learn to love all...and to realise the unity and brotherhood of all.

I would also just like to mention that...thinking you are not from here is actually not true...you are as much a part of the human chain as the next person. This is a common conclusion I hear from many...especially when they think they are different to others.

We are all here for a very good reason...we should examine our inner feelings and try to come to terms with...and accept our condition...whatever it may be...wherever it may be...for if we do not face it in this life we will be back for another attempt in the next life.

When we wish to 'go back' most have really no idea of what they have given up.

With love
Ray

[Natalia]

I believe/see/feel that the only way that I will feel a continuous complete or near complete belonging here is if I was with my soulmate and soul family who are loving and aligned...(not with the ones who are currently less so...)...(and I mean, when I am with them, not with being here on planet Earth...)...
Dear Amethyst
I was reading your posts and a few things came to me which I will jot down for your consideration...feel free to ignore them if you please, I have no desire to change you...you can do that yourself :)

If we incarnate, we are here for a reason...we do not just pop down here to be lonely ...more likely we would be here to learn that loneliness is a lack of knowing that we are one with all...not just with those we think gives us some feeling of happiness.

Those who know, experience great joy and happiness...even when alone for years...because they know that life itself is divine and needs to be cherished and that the time we spend here should be used as best we can for our growth.

There is a state called...melancholy..."a feeling of pensive sadness, typically with no obvious cause"...which is a rather negative state to be in because we sit around wondering about ourselves and getting nowhere fast...and start making up all kinds of reasons for our condition.

It is a fact that we are linked individually with others in a clan or group or family when we complete each life...but even so, your incarnation could very well be to teach you the lesson of being with others in order to experience the nature of unity. Life has a very definite goal and you are certainly not excluded...we incarnate to expand our consciousness...to learn to love all...and to realise the unity and brotherhood of all.

I would also just like to mention that...thinking you are not from here is actually not true...you are as much a part of the human chain as the next person. This is a common conclusion I hear from many...especially when they think they are different to others.

We are all here for a very good reason...we should examine our inner feelings and try to come to terms with...and accept our condition...whatever it may be...wherever it may be...for if we do not face it in this life we will be back for another attempt in the next life.

When we wish to 'go back' most have really no idea of what they have given up.

With love
Ray

Hi Ray,

I really felt that you came from care when you wrote this (as did everyone who has posted on this thread).

I see a lot of truth in what you say, but, I don't feel that a certain kind of loneliness is "cured" by knowing, partly, yes...but there is the being and the being with...that is like the missing ingredient...but saying that, it might be that I am not as connected to the knowing as much as I could be and as often...well I know that's true (hehe! :) )

Feelings of loneliness for me comes and goes and varies in intensity...to me it is a natural part of being here in human form...not that it's always good or healthy...

I like to accept it and sometimes share about it because it makes me feel better (and hopefully some others too). Acceptance can give that inner peace...

You are right, I am partly here for unity and togetherness, but also am here to walk my individual path...

I am here until the end (when I am meant to go), I love it and I don't love it and that's ok...it gets better, in some ways, the older I get (having had a lot to heal/recover from...)...

There is something in your message to me, I can feel it...(will just sit with it)

"This life is beautiful. This life is horrible" ~ Omkara (from the song, remember)

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Question: does anyone here never feel lonely?

[johnf]

I find nothing in either of the above statements that is telling me what to do or be.
Therefore no guruism or guruitis.
Each of you are sharing your individual experience, and showing the before and after pictures, and what you did to get there, I have had similar experiences, and always seem to do better when I do not grab onto what someone else tells me I should do .
Each of us knows who we are, and when we follow that we are less lonely because we are ourselves.

John

Yeah, I was more taking a light hearted comical approach and not actually implying that he was a Guru, just that I found what he had said to be poignant. : )

I am sorry I didn't mean that you were calling him a guru, I was just commenting about how neither of your contributions were at all guru like!

[Finefeather]

Question: does anyone here never feel lonely?
Hi Amethyst
I am getting a little on in life now yet I still feel like a teenager at times :)....I guess it's all in the mind. :)

I have lived most of my life alone, I have been married, got children, divorced quickly and yes I have to admit there were many times I felt alone...but the last 20 years of my life has been a beautiful experience for me.
I have used my time to serve others wherever I get the opportunity...and believe me there are many in need in South Africa...where I live.
This has filled my heart with such love for people that I find little time to sit and worry and consider my aloneness.
With Love
Ray

Kahlil Gibran on Love

When love beckons to you, follow him,
Though his ways are hard and steep.
And when his wings enfold you yield to him,
Though the sword hidden among his pinions may wound you.
And when he speaks to you believe in him,
Though his voice may shatter your dreams
as the north wind lays waste the garden.

For even as love crowns you so shall he crucify you. Even as he is for your growth so is he for your pruning.
Even as he ascends to your height and caresses your tenderest branches that quiver in the sun,
So shall he descend to your roots and shake them in their clinging to the earth.

Like sheaves of corn he gathers you unto himself.
He threshes you to make you naked.
He sifts you to free you from your husks.
He grinds you to whiteness.
He kneads you until you are pliant;
And then he assigns you to his sacred fire, that you may become sacred bread for God's sacred feast.

All these things shall love do unto you that you may know the secrets of your heart, and in that knowledge become a fragment of Life's heart.

But if in your fear you would seek only love's peace and love's pleasure,
Then it is better for you that you cover your nakedness and pass out of love's threshing-floor,
Into the seasonless world where you shall laugh, but not all of your laughter, and weep, but not all of your tears.
Love gives naught but itself and takes naught but from itself.
Love possesses not nor would it be possessed;
For love is sufficient unto love.

When you love you should not say, "God is in my heart," but rather, "I am in the heart of God."
And think not you can direct the course of love, for love, if it finds you worthy, directs your course.

Love has no other desire but to fulfill itself.
But if you love and must needs have desires, let these be your desires:
To melt and be like a running brook that sings its melody to the night.
To know the pain of too much tenderness.
To be wounded by your own understanding of love;
And to bleed willingly and joyfully.
To wake at dawn with a winged heart and give thanks for another day of loving;
To rest at the noon hour and meditate love's ecstasy;
To return home at eventide with gratitude;
And then to sleep with a prayer for the beloved in your heart and a song of praise upon your lips.

[KaiLee]

When I was younger I used to feel lonely a lot. It led me in all sorts of dreadful directions. For many years now I have not felt lonely. And it still lacks that peace we all strive for. It's better, but not the cure. I think I'm saying loneliness is not the issue. It's just another of the myriad of symptoms.