Why Yahoshua or Jesus called himself the son of man

[nzreva]

Why Yahoshua or Jesus called himself the son of man. In Hebrew most of the time son = Ben of man Adam, but a few places the word Hebrew word Enoch or in Daniel 7:13 אֵנֶשׁ
'enash (Aramaic) is used

In Hebrew one of the words for man translates Enoch. The E in Enoch is the first letter of the Hebrew Alaphabet אֲ, Alph. So En in Enoch is actually An. It is interesting to me that the Sumerian God “An” is the oldest and highest unknown power of the Sumerian world.
With this in mind it helps to understand why Yahoshua would call himself the Son of Enoch (Man) The Konie Greek does not reflect the true meaning of man. He was En or An being the higher power that never had ever been revealed until he came to earth.
He came to earth which means he was an alien. I believe from many years of research that the Gods Elohim, which are many are a different race, secondly their is a higher power that was revealed 2,000 years ago, Yahoshua which means salvation the Nazoraion which is one who is separated NZR and aionios for this age. He shows us the way truth and life, but from the Spirit, the live word.


When you read this, if you put the Hebrew and Sumerian word AN as the highest it becomes clear what is being said here.
Dan 7:13
“I saw in the night visions,
and behold, with the clouds (Anan) of heaven
there came one like a son of man (Enosh),
and he came to the Ancient of Days
and was presented before him.

I rewrote this to make it clearer, the rest I will explain later. In conclusion of this part, clouds is Anan in Hebrew, An is the unknown God in the Sumerian text. Some who follow the NZRaion teachings which are spiritual and resonate a higher frequency, than the earthly one is showing those of us who want to be there now and not later a more complete way of life, it keeps getting better.

[Milneman]

It's amazing that anyone can interpret anything to mean just about anything they want. Pretty cool hey? :D

[johnf]

Was it him that said that, or was it done because of the sumerian priests influencing king Constantine, in order to
shift the energy from the teachings of the real teacher behind the one people today call Jesus, to the
old Sumerian control system, in the guise of a new religion?

I tend to think that the real teacher was a generation or so before the one that became called Jesus in the rewritten bible.
In the end of course names, personalities, stories are rather unimportant.
The actual spiritual principles, and the realization of them in our lives as best we can is what is important.

The name Christos may have carried with it a change in society that was such a threat it had to be stolen, and reframed into a system of worship of the demiurge, as had all previous religions.

John

[Joe Akulis]

My interpretation: A son represents the next generation.

Jesus was the embodiment of what the next generation of mankind will be like.

[Shezbeth]

"I would ask him if that's what he really said, or what he was quoted as saying 2000+ years later" - John Cleese, what he would say to Jesus.

[Wind]

"And Jesus, the Man of Nazareth, was the host and the mouthpiece of the Christ, who walked with us in the sun and who called us His friends. In those days the hills of Galilee and her valleys heard but His voice. And I was a youth then, and trod in His path and pursued His footprints. I pursued His footprints and trod in His path, to hear the words of the Christ from the lips of Jesus of Galilee.

Now you would know why some of us call Him the Son of Man. He Himself desired to be called by that name, for He knew the hunger and the thirst of man, and He beheld man seeking after His greater self. The Son of Man was Christ the Gracious, who would be with us all. He was Jesus the Nazarene who would lead His brothers to the Anointed One, even to the Word which was in the beginning with God.

In my heart dwells Jesus of Galilee, the Man above men, the Poet who makes poets of us all, the Spirit who knocks at our door that we may wake and rise and walk out to meet truth naked and unencumbered."

- Kahlil Gibran, Jesus the Son of Man

[johnf]

The miraculous thing is no matter how badly words are twisted, the truth still speaks through them.

Consider a human being demonstrating the purest expression of their true selves, in a human form.
Perhaps this would be the intended result of the creation of the human form, a male who did this would indeed be
the son of Man.
I am speaking of the actual creators of the human form, not of the stories of Anunnaki usurpers of that creation.

John

[TruthSeekah]

Because Joseph was his father. The Bible is very clear about that.

[linksplatinum]

So how does the Talmud Jmmanuel fit into all of this?

[Robin]

In Hebrew Enosh translates to man in English. the E is the first letter of the Hebrew Alphabet Alph.

Huh...?

Isn't the first letter of the Hebrew alphabet "A"...which represents the Hebrew letter "Alep" or "Aleph"...?


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Or am I missing something? To be honest, nxreva, your post was extremely difficult to comprehend. It helps to isolate letters and suffixes from the rest of the words in sentences, otherwise it all mashes together and is hard to read.

[ghostrider]

the focus should be on the spiritual teaching , for the name changes over translations , epochs , but truth will always shine through ... patience brings roses but , first it brings buds ...

[Ahnung-quay]

I thought "ki" in the Sumerian language meant "earth"? And, I thought that "he" and "het" represented the long and short "e" sounds in the ancient Hebrew language. Now I'm confused!

[thunder24]

was it hebrew, aramaic, sumerian, ancient cannanite, or annunaziites

[Skyhaven]

Isn't the son of man just simply being in human form? There's a lot of depth in the (pre-)gospels but "The son of man" is quite straightforward for me...

[Milneman]

So how does the Talmud Jmmanuel fit into all of this?

It doesn't.

[nzreva]

In Hebrew Enosh translates to man in English. the E is the first letter of the Hebrew Alphabet Alph.

Huh...?

Isn't the first letter of the Hebrew alphabet "A"...which represents the Hebrew letter "Alep" or "Aleph"...?


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Or am I missing something? To be honest, nxreva, your post was extremely difficult to comprehend. It helps to isolate letters and suffixes from the rest of the words in sentences, otherwise it all mashes together and is hard to read.


אֵנֶשׁ 'enash (Aramaic) Notice the letter alph אֵ is translated into English E. You can see the verse here http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Dan&c=7&t=KJV#s=t_conc_857013

[nzreva]

Not always The word Adam translates from Hebrew to English man, mankind
man, human being
man, mankind (much more frequently intended sense in OT)
Adam, first man
city in Jordan valley so English does not help a person understand the word spoken, man http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Gen&c=1&t=KJV&p=0#s=t_conc_1026
Man is also אִישׁ 'iysh in Hebrew http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Gen&c=2&t=KJV&p=0#s=t_conc_2024
Enosh http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Dan&c=7&t=KJV#s=t_conc_857013 Corresponding to אֱנוֹשׁ (H582) So if you are going to read about a particular word from Hebrew it is important to see all the places it is used and try to find the earliest form of the word to understand the meaning.

The places Enosh is used (H606)


Ezr 4:11
This is the copy of the letter that they sent unto him, even unto Artaxerxes the king; Thy servants the men H606 on this side the river, and at such a time.
Tools specific to Ezr 6:11
Ezr 6:11
Also I have made a decree, that whosoever H606 shall alter this word, let timber be pulled down from his house, and being set up, let him be hanged thereon; and let his house be made a dunghill for this.
Tools specific to Dan 2:10
Dan 2:10
The Chaldeans answered before the king, and said, There is not a man H606 upon the earth that can shew the king's matter: therefore there is no king, lord, nor ruler, that asked such things at any magician, or astrologer, or Chaldean.
Tools specific to Dan 2:38
Dan 2:38
And wheresoever the children of men H606 dwell, the beasts of the field and the fowls of the heaven hath he given into thine hand, and hath made thee ruler over them all. Thou art this head of gold.
Tools specific to Dan 2:43
Dan 2:43
And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: H606 but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay.
Tools specific to Dan 3:10
Dan 3:10
Thou, O king, hast made a decree, that every man H606 that shall hear the sound of the cornet, flute, harp, sackbut, psaltery, and dulcimer, and all kinds of musick, shall fall down and worship the golden image:
Tools specific to Dan 4:16
Dan 4:16
Let his heart be changed from man's, H606 and let a beast's heart be given unto him; and let seven times pass over him.
Tools specific to Dan 4:17
Dan 4:17
This matter is by the decree of the watchers, and the demand by the word of the holy ones: to the intent that the living may know that the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, H606 and giveth it to whomsoever he will, and setteth up over it the basest of men. H606
Tools specific to Dan 4:25
Dan 4:25
That they shall drive thee from men, H606 and thy dwelling shall be with the beasts of the field, and they shall make thee to eat grass as oxen, and they shall wet thee with the dew of heaven, and seven times shall pass over thee, till thou know that the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, H606 and giveth it to whomsoever he will.
Tools specific to Dan 4:32
Dan 4:32
And they shall drive thee from men, H606 and thy dwelling shall be with the beasts of the field: they shall make thee to eat grass as oxen, and seven times shall pass over thee, until thou know that the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, H606 and giveth it to whomsoever he will.
Tools specific to Dan 4:33
Dan 4:33
The same hour was the thing fulfilled upon Nebuchadnezzar: and he was driven from men, H606 and did eat grass as oxen, and his body was wet with the dew of heaven, till his hairs were grown like eagles' feathers, and his nails like birds' claws.
Tools specific to Dan 5:5
Dan 5:5
In the same hour came forth fingers of a man's H606 hand, and wrote over against the candlestick upon the plaister of the wall of the king's palace: and the king saw the part of the hand that wrote.
Tools specific to Dan 5:7
Dan 5:7
The king cried aloud to bring in the astrologers, the Chaldeans, and the soothsayers. And the king spake, and said to the wise men of Babylon, Whosoever H606 shall read this writing, and shew me the interpretation thereof, shall be clothed with scarlet, and have a chain of gold about his neck, and shall be the third ruler in the kingdom.
Tools specific to Dan 5:21
Dan 5:21
And he was driven from the sons of men; H606 and his heart was made like the beasts, and his dwelling was with the wild asses: they fed him with grass like oxen, and his body was wet with the dew of heaven; till he knew that the most high God ruled in the kingdom of men, H606 and that he appointeth over it whomsoever he will.
Tools specific to Dan 6:7
Dan 6:7
All the presidents of the kingdom, the governors, and the princes, the counsellors, and the captains, have consulted together to establish a royal statute, and to make a firm decree, that whosoever shall ask a petition of any God or man H606 for thirty days, save of thee, O king, he shall be cast into the den of lions.
Tools specific to Dan 6:12
Dan 6:12
Then they came near, and spake before the king concerning the king's decree; Hast thou not signed a decree, that every man H606 that shall ask a petition of any God or man H606 within thirty days, save of thee, O king, shall be cast into the den of lions? The king answered and said, The thing is true, according to the law of the Medes and Persians, which altereth not.
Tools specific to Dan 7:4
Dan 7:4
The first was like a lion, and had eagle's wings: I beheld till the wings thereof were plucked, and it was lifted up from the earth, and made stand upon the feet as a man, H606 and a man's H606 heart was given to it.
Tools specific to Dan 7:8
Dan 7:8
I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, H606 and a mouth speaking great things.
Tools specific to Dan 7:13
Dan 7:13
I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man H606 came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.

[nzreva]

The root word Gen 6:4
There were giants (נָפִיל nĕphiyl)in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men (Adam), and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men H582 of renown. This is where the Enosh came from... They are a mixture
of Elohim and Adam. Yahoshua made it plain he was the Son of Enosh both Elohim and Adam.
http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?strongs=H582&t=KJV

[Baby Steps]

I always thought/felt that 'Son of God/the most high' was disinfo. He came to show us what we could be:
'Jesus answered and said unto them, Verily I say unto you, If ye have faith, and doubt not, ye shall not only do this which is done to the fig tree, but also if ye shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; it shall be done.'
I resonate with the idea that his over-soul was that of the Human collective-hence Son of Man.

[Chester]

The way I see it is that God needed God to incarnate such that God might finally experience the insanity God imposes upon the world by creating it all and then withdrawing from it.

Thus if there be any "saviors" then it would be humanity that is the "savior" of God and where it starts within humanity is with the Sacred Feminine.

Of course, I just enjoined (in principle) with this view yesterday after listening to this interesting "interview" - I suspect few will make it past the intro but if you do... and you make it all the way through, you might also tap into a deep resonance with this message.

Lg778Sg92-s

[A Voice from the Mountains]

Isn't the first letter of the Hebrew alphabet "A"...which represents the Hebrew letter "Alep" or "Aleph"...?

Hebrew doesn't have vowels like we do. They put down a placeholder symbol for a vowel and then put dots or dashes under it to indicate what vowel sound it actually is. So aleph could be an "ah" sound or an "e" sound, or probably other vowel sounds as well.

So I sent this to my Israeli buddy ("IB") who speaks modern Hebrew. It's not the same as ancient Hebrew, but it's close enough that he was able to give me some opinions on it.

This is what he told me:

IB: I'll just read 7:13 [Masoretic text] without looking at that weird translation
IB: Which I can't make sense of, it seems to take word roots instead of whole words
IB: Bore witness presently to that which is witnessed in the night and the sky was lit up up with clouds already human you present (this instance of "present" looks like it's missing a yod at the beginning to be Yehova) and until ancient days down and forward and sacrifice (note that in [Hebrew] "sacrifice"is the same word as "to bring near")
IB: For cleanliness here's the version without notes:
IB: Bore witness presently to that which is witnessed in the night and the sky was lit up with clouds already human you present and until ancient days down and forward and sacrifice
Me: i see
Me: so in other words the people who translated this into english, over the course of time, have taken a lot of liberalities
IB: It appears he has made at least one false assumption which I just noticed
IB: He seems to think of כְּבַר as if it were כְּבַּר
IB: The difference? The dot in the middle letter
IB: The one without the dot is read as V whereas the one with the dot is read as B
IB: "Kvar", as I've read it, means "already", whereas "Kebar", as it appears he read it according to the translation below, does indeed mean "like a son (of...)"
Me: hmm
IB: You can even see he put the one WITH the dot in his comparison table
IB: And then look at the origin and see there's no dot
IB: Does this please you?
Me: this stuff is beyond me
Me: if it were a european language id be more able to make random guesses at what could be going on in these translations
Me: since its a different linguistic family altogether, i have no idea how to take all this
IB: Also, I noticed he translates אֲרוּ as "and, behold", but that's a rather common biblical spelling for "cast light" (plural)
IB: Maybe if you SWAP LETTERS
IB: ‫‏‫ראֲוּ
IB: Bam
IB: This means "behold"
Me: but the "behold" form isnt in the masoretic text?
IB: ‫וַאֲרוּ
IB: The vav appears to be "and"
IB: But I just explained אֲרוּ
IB: AFAIK it's only "behold" if you swap the first and second letter
Me: otherwise, it indicates that the clouds were lit up?
IB: Let me go this word by word for you
IB: Cos I'm nice
IB: First we have אֲרוּ (aru) which AFAIK means "(they) cast light"
IB: Then you have עִם ( im ) which commonly means "with" but could mean "using" (as english "I beat you with a stick" compared to "I beat you using a stick")
IB: Then you have עֲנָנֵי (Ananey) which is clearly some form of "clouds", I'd say this form is specifically "clouds of" but maybe I read this wrong and it's actually pronounced "Ananai" (the dotting is wrong for it though) which would mean "my clouds"
IB: And lastly you have שְׁמַיָּא which makes the least sense to me lexically, but appears to be "towards the sky"
IB: All in all those four together appear to say that SOMEONE used the clouds to cast light.
IB: And that SOMEONE is more than one person
IB: Because "aru" is plural

(In this last bit of conversation, he indicates that the text most literally reads, to him, "(they) cast light with/using clouds (of) towards the sky.", though he admits this does not make sense to him. Languages can be very idiomatic so I'm open to the various possibilities of what this attempt at literal translation may actually mean.)


So for what that's worth, there it is.

Note that my buddy is 1) neither Christian nor Jewish, though he has grown up speaking modern Hebrew fluently, and 2) does not believe that we are being visited by ETs.

Despite this, his rough translation:

"Bore witness presently to that which is witnessed in the night and the sky was lit up with clouds already ["already" is translated as "son of..." but is apparently not spelled correctly for that] human you present ["present" may be "Yehova" with the yod missing] and until ancient days down and forward and sacrifice"

...sounds a lot more ET-like (Reptilian sacrifice?) than what the Bible actually says:

"I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him."

I know Simon Parkes for one has stated that anything to do with rituals and sacrifices in ancient religions, has something to do with Reptilian influence. This seems to be a recurrent idea with certain contactees. In this passage we appear to have not only a reference to sacrifice but also to the sky being lit up, and this light being related to "clouds," according to my friend, and both of these interpretations have been neglected in what has become the English translation of this passage.

...Also, after this passage, Daniel goes on to say that this "vision" troubled him, and he asked what all this meant. There are then passages such as "Then I would know the truth of the fourth beast, which was diverse from all the others, exceeding dreadful, whose teeth were of iron, and his nails of brass; which devoured, brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with his feet;" and there are interpretations of beasts with horns and prophetic comparisons to nations, etc.

[nzreva]

I was re reading your comments today and I was wondering if your comment on the Sumerian priest's meant to you that the sumerian priests (hijackers of the faith) of the time of Constantine's time were of the same belief system as the Sumerian time period?
Was it him that said that, or was it done because of the sumerian priests influencing king Constantine, in order to
shift the energy from the teachings of the real teacher behind the one people today call Jesus, to the
old Sumerian control system, in the guise of a new religion?

I tend to think that the real teacher was a generation or so before the one that became called Jesus in the rewritten bible.
In the end of course names, personalities, stories are rather unimportant.
The actual spiritual principles, and the realization of them in our lives as best we can is what is important.

The name Christos may have carried with it a change in society that was such a threat it had to be stolen, and reframed into a system of worship of the demiurge, as had all previous religions.

John

[nzreva]

'enash (Aramaic) אֵנֶשׁ all the words for enash (Anash) http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=H606&t=KJV

Root word for Enash (abash) is 'enowsh אֱנוֹשׁ (anash) http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?strongs=H582&t=KJV

Root word for enowsh is 'abash אָנַשׁ http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?strongs=H605&t=KJV
Notice abash is A primitive root, that means the other two words come from this word, abash which means to be weak, sick, frail
(Qal)
to be incurable
to be sick
desperate, incurable, desperately wicked, woeful, very sick (pass participle) (metaph.)
(Niphal) to be sick
Genesis 1 Adam was Created = bara in the image of Elohim male = Zaker and female = Neqbah http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm? In Genesis 2 Adam male ish and later female isha is made Yatser = made not created bara = Gen&c=1&t=ESV#s=t_conc_1027


There were giants h5303 נָפִיל nĕphiyl (is singular of nephelim,) those who fell
in the earth in those days that
when
the sons
h1121
בֵּן ben

of God h430
אֱלֹהִים 'elohiym


came in

h935
בּוֹא bow'
unto the daughters

h1323
בַּת bath
of men,
h120
אָדָם 'adam
and they bare children to them, the sameh

became mighty men h1368 גִּבּוֹר gibbowr


which were of old, h5769 עוֹלָם `owlam
men h582 אֱנוֹשׁ 'enowsh (enowsh is here the Nephilim those who naphil (fell)
of renown. h8034 שֵׁם shem

Yahoshua is the son of Enosh or Enowsh
Enowsh is explained here as the the mixing of daughters of Adam and the sons of Elohim (Gods), Yahoshua or Jesus says he came to his own but they did not receive him, but anyone who did receive him that is internalize his teaching they then would be children of the Highest.

[nzreva]

In Hebrew Enosh translates to man in English. the E is the first letter of the Hebrew Alphabet Alph.

Huh...?

Isn't the first letter of the Hebrew alphabet "A"...which represents the Hebrew letter "Alep" or "Aleph"...?


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Or am I missing something? To be honest, nxreva, your post was extremely difficult to comprehend. It helps to isolate letters and suffixes from the rest of the words in sentences, otherwise it all mashes together and is hard to read.

The alph is the first letter of the Hebrew alaphbet, it is A and E in English.
Pronounce Hebrew root for H7225 רֵאשִׁית A but E in English

Look at God or Elohim in Hebrew h430 Alph is the first letter = אֱלֹהִים it translates E in English, I have not made it difficult the translators have. Alhym not Elohim.

[sms]

According to the Eastern Gnosis, the “sons of man” would be those humans who have the Real I, or a human essence, beside the personality (which is considered as a false or programmable structure) and the human physical body. The “sons of god” would be anthropoids, or those without the human essence (the Real I). The later would also be those “living deads”, or in today’s terminology, the “matrix agents”. (The entity which is considered as the god of the false or demiurgic reality, does not have a human essence, and therefore the name for those without it.)

[nzreva]

the aleph (pronounced ah-leph) and represents the "Ah" and "Eh" sounds. Aleph is a Hebrew word meaning "ox," and this letter is a picture of an ox head and represents the concept of "strength," from the strength of the ox. http://www.ancient-hebrew.org/files/alphabet_alphabet.jpg

[A Voice from the Mountains]

אֵנֶשׁ 'enash (Aramaic) Notice the letter alph אֵ is translated into English E. You can see the verse here http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Dan&c=7&t=KJV#s=t_conc_857013

The letter "Aleph" doesn't have the "ah" sound like the English letter "a," or any sound at all by default. It's just a placeholder for a vowel sound in an alphabet that otherwise has no letters for vowels.

In Hebrew, vowels are denoted by small marks made under the consonant letters. Usually they are left off the word entirely because native Hebrew speakers already recognize the words without needing the vowel marks.


I just realized I posted the same information above months ago lol. But maybe it bears repeating. It's not hard to find Hebrew grammar lessons online.