An explanation about the creating thread

[Rich]

I had the feeling that I was misleading people and therefore decided to have the thread locked.
I did not mean to imply that the ego creates reality, the ego does nothing, it is God that does all. What I meant is that God gives you everything to the degree you allow it (this is my experience that I wanted to share).
It was naive of me to post a thread like this on an open forum.
I apologize for my ignorance/arrogance.

[Robin]

the ego does nothing, it is God that does all.

I respect how anybody wants to interpret "God," but why must we label this creative force above ourselves? Why can we not all be fractals of "God," tied to the oneness of the universe with everything else? Superiority does not exist, and by labeling "God" as something outside of ourselves, we are accepting that we are inferior, and therefore, must be obedient in never-ending servitude. Let's take credit for the things that we do every once in a while instead of saying that "God" does everything and the lowly human must ask forgiveness and permission from Daddy-God. God is not outside of ourselves. We all are fractals of All-that-there-is experiencing itself by manifesting in different forms.

[donk]

I don’t think you need to apologize, only recognize that some will interpret the “there is nothing external to you” idea as a “blame the victim” kind of thing. Some of the statements you (and Bashar and Lester) may sound a lot like “it’s your fault there is suffering in the world” to some—and some of them make take it personally or have emotional attachments to that idea.

I don’t think it’s arrogant or ignorant to create a thread and have a discussion about it, but I do think one particular idea: “there is nothing outside yourself” needs a lot of qualification to not sound arrogant or solipsistic. I personally find the idea fascinating (as you well know!), but can’t really wrap my brain around it. Though it does bring to mind one of my favorite quotes, the writing on the wall of the Clockworks in Tom Robbin’s “Even Cowgirls Get the Blues”:

'I believe in everything; nothing is sacred. I believe in nothing; everything is sacred. Ha Ha Ho Ho Hee Hee."

[Snowflower]

The older I get, the deeper I go into thought and learning, the more my only conclusion is, "I don't know." I no longer see "God" as a Being, with rules of engagement that includes worship, subjugation, bowing down and personal ego-death. But, I don't have a replacement for that concrete definition of a "ruler." All I can say at this point is, "maybe, but maybe not" for any concepts about exactly "what" is the Creator of all that is.

[rgray222]

If we all had the same thoughts and opinions it would invalidate the forum altogether. A controversial thread is one that we can learn from. As long as people stay civil instead of "creating their own negative experience", everything should be fine. When the brightest sparks fly on threads it should be viewed as an opportunity to learn and not a misstep.

[Mu2143]

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[Jake]

The ego tries to drive us mad by offering us immortality... How dare the ego offer me something that I already have...

Jake.

[Mu2143]

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[Daughter of Time]

EmEx,

Thank you for the apology but it's really not necessary to apologize as everyone is free to express what they believe and feel to be true to them. After all, no one has ever learned anything by being only around people who agree with everything one thinks and says. However, not everyone's reality is the same so one has to expect differences of opinions according to other people's experiences of life and what is created in their lives.

In the original thread you addressed me and said something to the effect that I must work on myself. Since that thread has been closed I could not reply. So I'm replying here. I have worked on myself more than you can imagine. I've tried to understand why so many deserving, benevolent people get such rough treatments and why so many malevolent people seem to get everything they want.

Since some have stated that we live in a universe of free will, then free will is exercised by many and used to control others because after all, it is their free will to do as they please! And while it is true that the receivers of others' malevolence have not yet found a way to free themselves from those unwanted experiences, it doesn't mean that they deserve to have those experiences. To make anyone believe that they deserve their experiences is a double insult: one suffers plus one believes one deserves to suffer when one has done nothing to directly cause it. I witness this around me every day. I know a sweet, loving woman who was abused by her husband for 20 years. She's rather broken. Someone told her that in a past life she must have done something to deserve this and now she's feeling guilt on top of all she's been through! I don't know whether to hug her or to slap her! So all I can do is be compassionate and remind her that she put her life on a silver platter in front of someone who used it and kicked it! It is not her fault! She must forgive herself for what she allowed. She has forgiven him, but she has not yet been able to forgive herself because she's been made to feel guilty for some reason she does not understand. If one believes one is paying for one's karma, then one will feel guilt, and guilt will attract more "karma".

And you asked me what kinds of teachings have I followed. And I will say that truly enough, I have followed some misguiding teachings which stated that if you want a difficult person to change then you have to love them unconditionally. I have done this, only to find that my love was abused of and my kindness was mistaken for weakness and as a result, I was trampled underfoot! This has happened in my personal life and in my professional life. So in some cases I have created my own reality by loving unconditionally where love was not deserved. I now believe the concept of loving everyone unconditionally, regardless of whether they deserve it of not, came from the dark side! Hard lessons!!!

Still in other cases, I was simply deceived because I was naïve. And some truly unpleasant experiences seemed to have come out of left field. And I ask myself: how did I attract this? I've never harmed anyone. I've always tried to help whoever I could. I would be almost embarrassed to admit how much I've helped others. So why is this "karma" befalling me? I understand that the answers are not simple, but to state that one always creates one's own reality is not a reality for me yet!

If you find that in your life you have created the reality you wished to create, then I congratulate you! You are way ahead of the game!