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Cidersomerset

4th September 2014, 23:14

Well they are still 'poles apart' literally . The North Pole is expanding and the
South Pole is melting and the scientists still cannot agree if we are 'warming or
cooling'or somewhere in the middle.......

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Arctic Meltdown Myth - New Data Data Shows Global Warming Trends Have Been
Stagnant Over Past 19 Yrs

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Published on 2 Sep 2014

Arctic Meltdown Myth - New Data Data Shows Global Warming Trends Have Been
Stagnant Over Past 19 Years - Stuart Varney

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Legal Case: White House Argues Against Considering Impacts of Energy Projects on
Climate Change and the Environment

Thursday 4th September 2014 at 04:12 By david-icke

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‘Just over a month before the United Nations convenes on September 23 in New
York City to discuss climate change and activists gather for a week of action, the
Obama White House Council on Environmental Quality (CEQ) argued it does not
have to offer guidance to federal agencies it coordinates with to consider climate
change impacts for energy decisions.’

Read more: Legal Case: White House Argues Against Considering Impacts of Energy Projects on Climate Change and the Environment
http://www.desmogblog.com/2014/08/31/legal-case-white-house-argues-vs-considering-climate-change-energy-projects

Nigel Farage confronts Barroso on global warming scam (State of the Union 2013)

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At the other end of the world.....

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Antarctic coastal waters 'rising faster'By Jonathan Amos

Science correspondent, BBC News

Ice (BAS) Parts of West Antarctica are undergoing significant change
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Antarctica's ice losses double
'Weedy thing' thrives as Pole warms
Sea-level rise finally quantified

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Melting ice is fuelling sea-level rise around the coast of Antarctica, a new report in

Nature Geoscience finds.Near-shore waters went up by about 2mm per year more
than the general trend for the Southern Ocean as a whole in the period between
1992 and 2011.Scientists say the melting of glaciers and the thinning of ice shelves
are dumping 350 billion tonnes of additional water into the sea annually.

This influx is warming and freshening the ocean, pushing up its surface.

"Freshwater is less dense than salt water and so in regions where an excess of
freshwater has accumulated we expect a localised rise in sea level," explained Dr
Craig Rye from the University of Southampton, UK, and lead author on the new
journal paper.

Globally, sea levels are going up, in part because of the contribution of the world's
diminishing ice fields. This is well known.

But the Nature Geoscience report is the first to show the direct consequences to
sea surface height (SSH) around Antarctica itself.

While the satellite data record indicates there has been a general upward trend in
SSH in the Southern Ocean south of 50 degrees of up to 2.4mm per year, those
satellites also indicate a more rapid rise in waters sitting on the continental shelf.

Mass losses

Modelling by Dr Rye's team suggests that this additional 2mm per year can be
attributed almost exclusively to freshwater runoff from Antarctica, and not to some
climatic oscillation that might make sea levels "breathe" up and down on decadal
timescales.

"We can estimate the amount of water that wind is pushing on to the continental
shelf, and show with some certainty that it is very unlikely that this wind forcing is
causing the sea level rise," Dr Rye told BBC News.

"And because we can model the freshwater forcing, and the fact that this is so
much more like what we see in the real world, we can come to the confident
conclusion that the signal is driven by freshwater forcing."

Recent satellite studies have underlined the increased mass losses occurring in
Antarctica.

Much of this accelerated ice discharge is occurring in the continent's western
sectors, particularly in the Amundsen Sea Embayment and along the Antarctic
Peninsula.

In contrast to land ice, the sea ice around Antarctica stands at record levels and is
becoming more extensive.

The growth is small and very regional in character, but nonetheless significant.

Quite how the freshening of surface waters might be influencing this phenomenon
is now a target for study.

"That's a really interesting question which I'd like to look into with further
research," Dr Rye said.

Jonathan.Amos-INTERNET@bbc.co.uk and follow me on Twitter: @BBCAmos

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Nanny State to Ban Toasters, Kettles & Hair Dryers!
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Published on 1 Sep 2014

Despite arctic sea ice growing by 43%, the EU nanny state is set to ban toasters,
hair dryers and kettles in the name of preventing global warming.

Frederick Jackson

4th September 2014, 23:34

Cidersomerset

4th September 2014, 23:47

In this indepth presentation Bill Busler shows its the solar cycles that influence
the global temperatures not Co2,,,,,
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Global Warming- Fact or Fiction. By Bill Busler, MAS. July 11, 2014

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Published on 9 Aug 2014

http://www.MemphisAstro.org. Global Warming is something we've all
heard about and it's popular scenario can be broken down into 3 tenants:
(1) Global Warming is definitely occurring, (2) It's primarily due to human
activity, (3) It's very bad and we (human race) have to do whatever we
can to stop it. Think of it in the context of religion- God creates man,
man sins by disobeying God, there are consequences for sin that are
very painful. In much the same way, Global Warming is the 'consequence'
of post-industrial revolution activity.

However, in this talk Bill Busler presents compelling evidence to put Global
Warming into it's proper context within the scope of Earth History and Human
History to help us discern whether Global Warming is Fact or Fiction!

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linksplatinum

5th September 2014, 04:14

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ghostrider

5th September 2014, 05:05

there is no certainty on a planet of lies , deceit , and corruption period ... we have seen a fake moon landing , a president shot by a crazy lone gunman , WMD's in Iraq , if you like your doctor you can keep him , and a weather balloon crashed at roswell that needed the military to clean it up and threaten civilians not to speak about it , and fly the weather balloon wreckage off to secret locations for back engineering ... ( that was funny wasn't it ??? ) We know the ozone layer is damaged from nuclear testing , allowing more of the suns harmful rays to heat up earth , causing volcano's and quakes to be stronger from the suns power ... after all it is a nearby FUSION REACTOR , blasting out waves of energy millions of miles across ...

Carmen

5th September 2014, 05:14

Yeah right! And the world is flat?!

indigopete

5th September 2014, 09:39

I understand there has been a reprieve for the last ten years in the warming trend, probably due to oceanic uptake. But we are on the verge of catastrophe, do not kid yourself. Both poles are melting. Mountain glaciers are melting. Species are moving farther north, or to higher altitudes or just dying. We will hit the wall any day now when the positive feedbacks kick in big time. The big one is going to be the release of methane from the permafrost. Then the **** will have hit the fan.

Frederick,

I've been on both sides of this debate at one time or another. Right now I really don't buy the theory that CO2 is warming the atmosphere (or the Seas). We've had 100 years of CO2 emissions. CO2 concentration has gone from 200+ PPM to 400 PPM over that time. Despite that, it's done jack to the observable climate. Sea levels are unchanged, climate is unchanged, weather is unchanged.

Yes - glaciers are receding, but they've been doing so for 50,000 years.

The idea that warming is "dampened" by ocean heat absorption can only go so far to explain things. Yes, the sea can cause warming to be more "elastic" but at the same time, without a state change, if heat increases then temperature will increase as well. Take a look at this:

http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/global.daily.ice.area.withtrend.jpg

The *global* (as opposed to Northern or Southern) sea ice anomaly has remained absolutely static for nearly 40 years. Not 1 square KM more, not one square KM less. Climate "scientists" (a misnomer because climate "science" is not a science being that it cannot have the scientific method applied to it) have all kinds of explanations for this including wind patterns contributing to Antarctic sea ice which offsets Arctic loss but it doesn't change the fact that there's no net impact on what is probably the single most universally identifiable indicator of climate in the world.

Have you ever heard of "harmonics" ?

They are everywhere. If you pluck a guitar string it will create resonant overtones of the vibration frequency. "Galloping Gertie", the Tacoma Narrows suspension bridge which collapsed on November 7th 1940, did so due to the very slow resonant overtone of the high frequency aerodynamic eddy currents formed by the wind on the bridge.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-zczJXSxnw

Similarly, the Earth's seasonal sea ice cycle will - and does - create resonant overtones resulting in a slow shift of the ice balance from one pole to the other over periods of decades. You can see this in the Southern hemisphere sea ice anomaly chart which is almost perfect reflection of the Northern Hemisphere one. Funny how the media always concentrates on the Arctic sea Ice when reporting these things.

The problem with this whole thing is that the fact that there is "scientific consensus" is not enough. There needs to be lay consensus as well, otherwise we end up living in a scientific dictatorship. There are very few areas of policy where scientific consensus can't be endorsed by lay consensus. For example I am a software developer. My users don't need to be programmers to inform me that there's a problem with the functioning of my products. Patients don't need a medical training to evaluate the quality of the treatment they receive. House dwellers don't need to be architects to make a valid appraisal of a building design.

I'm not saying that we need to wait for widespread floods and droughts to decide if global warming is "here" or not. I'm saying that the evidence for atmospheric warming where CO2 is the *main and significant* driver is totally inconclusive and ambiguous at best. My own opinion is that CO2 at current levels doesn't do jack to the climate in comparison with other drivers, but I'll give them the benefit of the doubt on that one.

Finally, remember this. We need to make a very big distinction between the *scientific method* and the scientific *institution*. One is a useful tool for making objective observations about the world around us, the other is about as objective as the nearest politician.

Cidersomerset

5th September 2014, 14:48

Climate sceptics should be ‘crushed and buried’: Sir Paul Nurse attacks politicians who ‘distort’ facts on global warming

Friday 5th September 2014 at 05:06 By david-icke

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Climate sceptics should be 'crushed and buried': Sir Paul Nurse attacks politicians
who 'distort' facts on global warming

Comments were made by new British Science Association president
It is believed attack was directed at former Secretary Owen Paterson

Mr Paterson, who was sacked by David Cameron in July, has said he believes the
negative impact of global warming has been exaggerated

He also targeted lobby groups such as that run by Lord Nigel Lawson
'Politicians live in a world where the strength of their rhetoric means much more
than scientific content,' Sir Paul said

By Ben Spencer for the Daily Mail

Published: 10:37, 4 September 2014 | Updated: 15:23, 4 September 2014

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Politicians who do not believe in climate change should be 'crushed and buried',
according to a speech given by Sir Paul Nurse (pictured)

‘Politicians who do not believe in climate change should be ‘crushed and buried’,
according to the new president of the British Science Association.

Sir Paul Nurse, who starts his presidency next week, pledged to ‘take on’ the ‘
serial offenders’ who he accused of cherry picking scientific facts to suit their arguments.

In an extraordinary outburst, Sir Paul accused those who refuse to accept scientific
orthodoxy on global warming of ‘distorting’ the facts.’

Sir Paul launched what could be interpreted as a thinly-veiled attack on former
Environment Secretary Owen Paterson, who is widely viewed as a climate sceptic.

He also targeted climate sceptic lobby groups such as that run by former Chancellor
Lord Nigel Lawson.

Mr Paterson, who was sacked by David Cameron in July, has said he believes the
negative impact of global warming has been exaggerated - to the exasperation of
climate scientists.

Sir Paul, speaking in London yesterday, said: 'Today we have those who mix
science up with ideology and politics, where opinion, rhetoric and tradition hold
more sway than adherence to evidence and logical argument.

'There have been ministers - recent past ministers - who have paid attention to
some parts of science with respect to genetically modified crops and apparently not
other parts with respect to climate change.'

Mr Paterson is a fierce supporter of the drive for GM food - a cause which earned
him friends in science, but the fury of many consumers

Read more: Climate sceptics should be 'crushed and buried': Sir Paul Nurse attacks
politicians who 'distort' facts on global warming

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2743255/Climate-sceptics-crushed-buried-Sir-Paul-Nurse-attacks-politicians-distort-facts-global-warming.html

Cidersomerset

6th September 2014, 14:36

Ban-Ki Moon’s Climate Summit Dead In The Water

Saturday 6th September 2014 at 05:18 By david-icke

World Leader's Declare Lack of Interest

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‘The heavily touted UN “summit” on climate change, later this month
in New York was supposed to set the scene for next year’s UN follow-up
Paris conference and lead to “binding international resolutions” to cut CO2
emissions and defeat the menace of Global Warming.

What menace of Global Warming? Why are world leaders falling over
themselves to back out now, and certainly not follow-on next year at a
Paris summit? The UN-issued propaganda now has a sad and forlorn
look about it!’

Read more: Ban-Ki Moon's Climate Summit Dead In The Water

http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article47182.html

Cidersomerset

6th September 2014, 14:42

Kerry: Confronting Climate Change a ‘Responsibility Laid Down in Scriptures’

Saturday 6th September 2014 at 05:12 By david-icke

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‘At a ceremony Wednesday honoring Shaarik Zafar, who was just
appointed to serve as the State Department’s Special Representative
to Muslim Communities, Secretary of State John Kerry said
“confronting climate change” is “a duty or responsibility laid down in scriptures.”

“Confronting climate change is, in the long run, one of the greatest
challenges that we face, and you can see this duty or responsibility
laid down in scriptures, clearly, beginning in Genesis,” Kerry claimed.’

Read more: Kerry: Confronting Climate Change a ‘Responsibility Laid Down in Scriptures’

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/brittany-m-hughes/kerry-confronting-climate-change-responsibility-laid-down-scriptures

Frederick Jackson

9th September 2014, 05:05

I understand there has been a reprieve for the last ten years in the warming trend, probably due to oceanic uptake. But we are on the verge of catastrophe, do not kid yourself. Both poles are melting. Mountain glaciers are melting. Species are moving farther north, or to higher altitudes or just dying. We will hit the wall any day now when the positive feedbacks kick in big time. The big one is going to be the release of methane from the permafrost. Then the **** will have hit the fan.

Cidersommerset. I might have mentioned also the change in the climate system to a system with more weather extremes, which is a prediction of global climate models. More droughts, floods, tornadoes, more intense hurricanes, stronger, longer heat waves -- and cold waves. Yes we have broken some winter records too as the jet stream becomes more unstable and dips lower in latitude, even giving the temperate zone a taste of a polar vortex.

I should think that in the UK you witnessed unprecedented storms in the last several years.

I do not know why thousands of scientific papers seem to have such little weight in some circles. (Now I am a scientist, but that does not prevent me from being skeptical of some big science -- see my CERN LHC posts; however I do not see a "featherbedding" operation going on at this time in the climate science community. It hurts me to see data cherry picked by climate deniers many of whom are supported by the likes of those evil twins, the Koch brothers. There is nothing to gain by the NWO in supporting this research, at least according to our lights here in PA. Rather, the contrary, the better to wipe out the 95%). But If you do not buy it please look with your own eyes. Look at Mount Kilomanjaro. Look at the Alaskan glaciers. As the following video makes clear, the poles are melting. Arctic temps are rising much faster than global temps, and as I stated it is bringing us to a deadly positive feedback situation. See, for example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fAHqn0K5wQ

Yes, we are witnessing a cataclysmic planetary event. But, hang on there, IT CAN GET WORSE. MUCH WORSE. As I have mentioned in some previous responses to posts on climate, the global warming may stop abruptly in the near future and the climate system return to normal for the ice age (we are in an interglacial period). This can happen if the melt water from the Greenland ice sheet interferes with the annual turnover of water in the North Atlantic ocean and the so called global conveyer belt that brings warm water to the North Atlantic is stopped. Within a few years Europe will experience bitter cold and the return the the Ice Age will have begun. See, for example, the video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SyAEucg6teg

I read a little of what you posted. I did not see any mention of 43 percent increase in Antarctic sea ice coverage; I only saw mention of some increase in the pack area. I do not know for sure why this is, but one explanation would be the stronger westerly winds (as a result of warming climate) pushing the pack limit further north. And this would be even more dramatic if the pack is thinner and detaching from the land mass.

Frederick Jackson

9th September 2014, 05:51

Indigo Pete, Interesting. I am not sure what to make of the data you presented. This is combining northern and southern ocean data with or without a six month phase shift? Anyway, you can still see a big trend of some 2 million square km in the last 30 years. The manner of presentation tends to obscure this fact. Now, I have assumed that CO2 is a driver and still believe it to be. But regardless, that we are in a crisis there can be no doubt. And unfortunately doubt on this score is being sown by climate deniers many of whom are poorly credentialed and/or funded by the likes of the Koch brothers. We have no time. I posted in reply to Cidersomerset an excellent video on the reality of polar meltdown, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fAHqn0K5wQ It is undeniable. Yet it is being denied. What is interesting is that the video was made by a group that does not believe that CO2 is responsible for the warming. But what about other greenhouse gases? What do you think will happen as gigatons of methane are released into the atmosphere in the near future as the permafrost melts. Methane is supposed to be 25 times more powerful as a greenhouse gas than CO2.

Anyway, if CO2 is not causing this, then it would seem that there is nothing to do except "geoengineer" our way out of this situation with, e.g., more chemtrails etc. However I buy the C02 hypothesis. The radiative transfer calculations are solid as far as I know vis a vis CO2. Big problems however remain with water vapor and cloud modelling and ocean storage and heat exchange (although satellite observations are helping enormously in this regard.)

PS David Icke should stick to his Archons or whatever. I have lost any respect I might have had for the blowhard.

PPS I see Mr. Icke's comments appear to be based on the last two years of Arctic sea ice expansion as shown in your figure http://http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/global.daily.ice.area.withtrend.jpg We should need to wait quite a few more years to see what this means. The ice would still be very thin. The main pack ice consisting of multiyear ice has would not yet have had time to reestablish itself.

Cidersomerset

9th September 2014, 10:40

Anyway, if CO2 is not causing this, then it would seem that there is nothing to do except "geoengineer" our way out
of this situation with, e.g., more chemtrails etc. However I buy the C02 hypothesis. The radiative transfer calculations are
solid as far as I know vis a vis CO2. Big problems however remain with water vapor and cloud modelling and ocean storage
and heat exchange (although satellite observations are helping enourmously in this regard.)

Just by coincidence....LOL..... I, like most people know something is happening , but is it natural, or man made ?
There are so many interest groups involved, funding this report and that which is muddying the waters.
If scientists genuinely don't know,. I'm fine with that. But the Al Gores of the world seem to get very
Rich backing ideas that may or may not be needed. I'm all for green energy and if the animals and
humans have to change their diets to stop belching from both ends then lets have a sensible debate.

Cycles seem to be the cause of some of this and the solar system seems to have effected other planets
so it probably has an effect on earth even though we are shielded by our atmosphere. Its confusing
for me let alone the average ' unawake' person...LOL

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9 September 2014 Last updated at 03:09

Greenhouse gas levels rising at fastest rate since 1984Comments (195) Matt McGrath
By Matt McGrath

Environment correspondent, BBC News

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atmosphere Concentrations of CO2 in the atmosphere rose rapidly in 2013
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A surge in atmospheric CO2 saw levels of greenhouse gases reach record levels in 2013, according to new figures.

Concentrations of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere between 2012 and 2013 grew at their fastest rate since 1984.

The World Meteorological Organisation (WMO) says that it highlights the need for a global climate treaty.

But the UK's energy secretary Ed Davey said that any such agreement might not contain legally binding
emissions cuts, as has been previously envisaged.

The WMO's annual Greenhouse Gas Bulletin doesn't measure emissions from power station smokestacks
but instead records how much of the warming gases remain in the atmosphere after the complex
interactions that take place between the air, the land and the oceans.

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About half of all emissions are taken up by the seas, trees and living things.

According to the bulletin, the globally averaged amount of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere reached
396 parts per million (ppm) in 2013, an increase of almost 3ppm over the previous year.

"The Greenhouse Gas Bulletin shows that, far from falling, the concentration of carbon dioxide in the
atmosphere actually increased last year at the fastest rate for nearly 30 years," said Michel Jarraud,
secretary general of the WMO.

Atmospheric CO2 is now at 142% of the levels in 1750, before the start of the industrial revolution.

However, global average temperatures have not risen in concert with the sustained growth in CO2,
leading to many voices claiming that global warming has paused.

"The climate system is not linear, it is not straightforward. It is not necessarily reflected in the temperature
in the atmosphere, but if you look at the temperature profile in the ocean, the heat is going in the oceans,"
said Oksana Tarasova, chief of the atmospheric research division at the WMO.

'More worrying'

The bulletin suggests that in 2013, the increase in CO2 was due not only to increased emissions but also to
a reduced carbon uptake by the Earth's biosphere.

The scientists at the WMO are puzzled by this development. That last time there was a reduction in the biosphere's
ability to absorb carbon was 1998, when there was extensive burning of biomass worldwide, coupled with El Nino conditions.

"In 2013 there are no obvious impacts on the biosphere so it is more worrying," said Oksana Tarasova.

"We don't understand if this is temporary or if it is a permanent state, and we are a bit worried about that."

"It could be that the biosphere is at its limit but we cannot tell that at the moment."

The WMO data indicates that between 1990 and 2013 there was an 34% increase in the warming impact on the climate
because carbon dioxide and other gases like methane and nitrous oxide survive for such a long time in the atmosphere.

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mauna loa Among the network used by WMO is the Mauna Loa atmospheric station in Hawaii
For the first time, the bulletin includes data on the acidification of the seas caused by carbon dioxide.

Every day, according to the WMO, the oceans take up about 4kg of CO2 per person. They believe the current rate of
acidification is unprecedented over the last 300 million years.

The evidence of the atmosphere and oceans underlines the need for urgent, concentrated political action to tackle the
problem says Michel Jarraud.

"We have the knowledge and we have the tools for action to try keep temperature increases within 2C to give our planet
a chance and to give our children and grandchildren a future," he said.

"Pleading ignorance can no longer be an excuse for not acting."

Road to Paris

The world's political leaders will gather in New York on 23 September for a special summit called by UN secretary
general Ban Ki-moon.

The hope is that this meeting will kick-start longstanding negotiations that aim to deliver a new international
climate change by the end of 2015.

The exact legal nature of this agreement is still the subject of contentious debate.

UK climate secretary Ed Davey has outlined the UK government's roadmap to an agreement set to be agreed in
Paris at the end of next year.

While stressing the need for that agreement to be "legally binding", Mr Davey explained that actual targets for
emissions reductions may not be covered by that term.

"We do believe that the foundations of the agreement have to be legally binding, so what that might be? That
might be the rules. That might include the measurements, the monitoring and the verification and those sorts of things.

"We would prefer the targets to be legally binding, we already have legally binding targets in the UK and we are
trying to argue for more ambitious legally binding targets for the EU, but we recognise that other countries find
that a little bit more challenging.

"I think there's a lot of support for having something that is legally binding, it's just the extent of what is covered
by that, is where the negotiations will be."

Mr Davey stressed that a deal in Paris would not just help limit the impacts of global warming, it would kick-start
a massive transition to low carbon energy production around the world.

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Cidersomerset

9th September 2014, 11:16

I should think that in Sommerset UK you witnessed unprecedented storms in the last several years.

Sedgemoor the part of somerset where I live is a environment changed by man
since Roman times with Rhynes and ditches criss crossing what is a natural flood
plain on the Severn Estuary..

I put up several posts about the flooding last winter , that could have been
prevented from causing the damage it did if not for political and financial reasons
over the past 30 years that stopped the dredging of local rivers. Managed flooding
on the fields has always happened and will still be part of flood prevention in the
future. Or until global sea rise makes this impossible. My brother lives in Moorland
which was evacuated as virtually every house was flooded, never heard of before in
living memory. He is in rented accommodation in Bridgwater , but hopes to be back
in his own home by Christmas2014.....

This is not the post I was looking for but interesting anyway..

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King Alfred the Somerset levels and a birth of a nation......

3rd February 2014 22:41

I started this thread a couple of hours ago after watching episode 3 of the BBC
history of king Alfred and the beginings of modern England. This was about
Aethelstan the first overlord King of Britain and was interesting in looking at how
Britain developed from the pieces we know coming out of the Dark ages mainly in
England and the many ways events could of changed. This led me to parallel in the
weather now with the heavy flooding and Alfreds time when he fought a guarilla
war against Guthrum and the Danes.I cannot find the Aethelstan vid, but started a
thread anyway for those interested in their Anglo Saxon roots across the world.

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Somerset and the Vale of Avalon has played an historic and enchanted part in the
history and upheavals of Romano Britain & Anglo Saxon England. BBC Three have
been showing a history of Alfred the Great and tonights third episode was about
Aethelstan the first king of Britain. Earlier Arthur the legendry leader of the
Romano/Britains fought against the encroaching European invader/settlers chiefly
Saxon,Dutes, Angles , Friesians and others who eventually forged Angleland before
Harold another son of Wessex lost to the Norman Duke William and a start of
another 1000 years of Royal misfits some good, some bad most indifferent to the
people they claimed to rule. Infact the last pitched battle fought on English soil
was at Sedgmoor in 1685. The Pitchfork rebellion when many sons of somerset
were sold into slavery by the infamous Judge Jeffries.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Sedgemoor

The levels were drained by Dutch experts in the 16th century and has developed into
lush Dairy farmland thru a system of drainage ditches, and although winter flooding
is common the last two years have been more severe than usual and has turned the
landscape back to something like Alfreds time. Infact where my house is in the centre of
Bridgwater would have been flooded if the defences in the town were not improved in
the 1980's.

The Levels flooded 2014
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2534511/UK-weather-50ft-waves-hit-coast-1-6inches-rain-fall-sodden-ground-today.html

Somerset levels from glastonbury tor
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somerset_Levels
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30 January 2014 Last updated at 19:45
UK floods: January rain breaks records in parts of England

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King Alfred and the Anglo Saxons Alfred of Wessex EP1 BBC Documentary 2013 guerrilla war

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0L2fYvguLL0
published 6 Aug 2013

King Alfred and the Anglo Saxons Alfred of Wessex BBC Documentary 2013
King Alfred the Great fights a desperate guerrilla war in the marshes of Somerset -
burning the cakes on the way- before his decisive victory at Edington. Creating
towns, trade and coinage, reviving learning and literacy, Alfred then laid the
foundations of a single kingdom of 'all the English'. Filmed on location from Reading
to Rome, using original texts read in Old English, and interviews with leading
scholars, Michael Wood describes a man who was 'not just the greatest Briton, but
one of the greatest rulers of any time or place'.
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King Alfred and the Anglo Saxons EP 2 The Lady of the Mercians BBC documentary 2013

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huRPB10ghd8
Published on 13 Aug 2013
In this second episode, Alfred's children continue the family plan to create a kingdom of all the English.

Michael Wood recovers the story of Alfred's daughter Aethelflaed, the ruler of
Mercia, from a copy of a lost chronicle written in Mercia in her lifetime which in the
film we hear read in Old English. One of the great forgotten figures in British
history, Aethelflaed led armies, built fortresses, campaigned against the Vikings
and was a brilliant diplomat. Her fame spread across the British Isles, beloved by
her warriors and her people, she was known simply as 'the Lady of the Mercians'.
Without her, concludes Michael Wood, 'England might never have happened'.

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King Arthur Avalon

2ehelf2020A

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Many other regions from Cornwall, wales and even France have claimed links to
the Legendry Hero....

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?68092-King-Alfred-the-Somerset-levels-and-a-birth-of-a-nation......&p=792843#post792843

Cidersomerset

9th September 2014, 11:27

Cidersomerset

9th September 2014, 12:14

The video presentation below suggest we may be entering a new Solar
minimum, the last being in the 1600's at the end of the 'mini ice age'.
He explains how the sun and the solar weather really effects us ...

He says we can expect this variation of climate extremes for the near future
and if pushed he predicts we will go into a global cool down rather than warming.

He also mentions pranxsters PHD's at MIT who published gibberish papers
and muddied data ,but after they had published so much . They were forced
publish a 'Journal retracts gibberish papers'....

I remember in the 1970'/80's all the talk was of a oncoming ice age not
global warming....I think the point is it is easier than you think to publish
false papers , as this article does not specifically mention global warming
as far as I can see....

NATURE international weeky journal.....

Publishers withdraw more than 120 gibberish papers

Conference proceedings removed from subscription databases after scientist reveals that they were computer-generated.
Richard Van Noorden

24 February 2014 Updated: 25 February 2014

Read More...

http://www.nature.com/news/publishers-withdraw-more-than-120-gibberish-papers-1.14763
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Why Global Warming Failed

Wednesday 14th May 2014 at 05:12 By David Icke

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Published on 12 May 2014

CLIMATE CHANGE IS VERY REAL - BUT THE OFFICIALS HAVE JEOPARDIZED OUR ABILITY TO PREPARE FOR THE FUTURE
Global warming models/predictions have been an abject failure for 20 years, and yet the IPCC claims ever-higher certainty?

How does this happen and what comes next?

All papers and charts are publicly available information, or you send us an email
and we will forward the source/citation for any information. Most of the citations
can already be found at the Links button at our website, under the Counterstrike Links.

Our Websites:
http://www.suspicious0bservers.org
http://www.ObservatoryProject.com

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?71521-Air-Force-Admits-Weather-Control-via-HAARP-and-are-moving-on-to-New-Tech-to-managr-Ionosphere....&p=835303#post835303

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Which leads to another article, I'l have to find somewhere to post....

'Whether the weather is a scam ?'

Study suggesting global warming is exaggerated was rejected for publication in
respected journal because it was ‘less than helpful’ to the climate cause, claims
professor

Friday 16th May 2014 at 06:56 By David Icke

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‘A scientific study which suggests global warming has been exaggerated was
rejected by a respected journal because it might fuel climate scepticism, it was
claimed last night.

The alarming intervention, which raises fears of ‘McCarthyist’ pressure for
environmental scientists to conform, came after a reviewer said the research
was ‘less than helpful’ to the climate cause.

Professor Lennart Bengtsson, a research fellow at the University of Reading and one
of five authors of the study, said he suspected that intolerance of dissenting views
on climate science was preventing his paper from being published.’

Read more: Study suggesting global warming is exaggerated was rejected for
publication in respected journal because it was 'less than helpful' to the climate
cause, claims professor

http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2630023/Study-suggesting-global-warming-exaggerated-rejected-publication-respected-journal-helpful-climate-cause-claims-professor.html

Frederick Jackson

10th September 2014, 01:37

Cidersomerset, thanks for all the additional information. Not just on the climate question but on Somerset and English history! i am a mongrel of Eastern European descent but my language is English and I identify with English culture. I have a deep interest in history and particularly in the history of England and the British Isles. Thanks so much for the pics and all!

Climate modelling is a huge problem and it takes the world's most powerful supercomputers to just begin to handle the multitude of aspects of the interconnected global climate system. But to say climate models have screwed it for the last 20 years is a pretty far out claim. There are variables though that are going to make modelling particularly difficult such as water vapor, evapotranspiration and cloud cover and oceanic absorption of heat and CO2 and the various wild cards such as volcanic activity, methane release and so on. Most of the contrarian stuff I see in the EURO 2014 video(s) does not impress me very much.

I have had it with David Icke. He should stay with his Archons. He is not doing anyone any good with his incendiary rhetoric. His claim about ice pack is for two recent years and alone this says nothing (see figure in Indigopete's post) but he uses this solitary datum to bash the idea of climate warming altogether! This is like the Daily Mirror or some other tabloid. It is bloody yellow journalism. Also, about bandwagons: I was a scientist in the Oceans Division at NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center in the mid eighties when climate change was just becoming a hot topic. There was a bandwagon mentality then for sure and it pissed me off for a couple of reasons. NASA did not want any contrarian views expressed at any conferences it was holding. But to think that the broad consensus today is driven by a bandwagon effect and by political interests is far off the mark I believe. However, as you show in the Daily Mail report this kind of censure of contrary views can happen, and is regrettable. However, there are a great number of journals thank goodness, and hopefully this research can be published elsewhere. (In the editor's defense, recall the damage done to climate research by twisted interpretations of emails between some British scientists that were ballyhooed by the jingo press. They emails meant nothing, but the damage that was done was huge in the public opinion arena. Recall, TPTB are deeply invested in fossil fuels and they are doing their best to blunt the scientific conclusions, as for example, in the UN IPOC executive summaries. Dr. James Hanson, Director of the Goddard Institute of Space Studies, himself a climate scientist, has been outspoken on the problem of global warming and he has been under great pressure to back off. But courageously he has not backed off. However this does not alter the fact (I believe) that TPTB actually knows the climate system is going to hell and are perhaps wildly happy about it (one of our great PA themes, recall, is the NWO depopulation agenda) and that is why they have constructed a seed vault in Svaalbard Island.

Again thanks so much for the Somerset stuff. I bet you make great cider there!

And for the English history. I did not know about the Queen of Mercia you mentioned. There must be a number of historical novels on her!