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Rocky_Shorz
27th October 2010, 20:06
Russia has agreed to return to the war in Afghanistan at the request of the Western states which helped the mujahedin to drive its forces out of the country 21 years ago.


A groundbreaking agreement with Russia on the issue is likely to be announced at the Nato summit next month in Lisbon, which is due to be attended by President Dmitry Medvedev.

In return for help in Afghanistan Moscow is seeking what it terms as more co-operation from Nato. President Barack Obama has already scrapped missile-defence shields in Poland and the Czech Republic, proposals for which had led to prolonged protests from Moscow, and Nato has agreed that Russia will be consulted on the replacement system.

Moscow would also like Nato to accept a fait accompli over Georgia, where Russian troops remain in South Ossetia and Abkhazia after the war of two years ago. American and European officials maintain that the occupation of a member state's sovereign territory is not a matter for compromise.


"Withdrawal of the [Western] troops would naturally affect the situation in central Asia, we currently cannot even imagine how. For this reason we want to help the West, among other things with helicopters, whose delivery we are now discussing."

Securing new supply routes for Nato forces in Afghanistan – which now number more than Russian troops during their war – has become urgent for the West with attacks on convoys in Pakistan by insurgents, some of which, claim Western officials, are instigated by members of the Pakistani military and intelligence service.

Russia allows some movements of supplies along its territory, but restricts the types of weaponry being moved. Nato would like this removed. According to defence sources, Moscow has indicated that it may agree to this after carrying out security checks along the route, which starts at the all-weather Latvian port of Riga and arrives in Afghanistan through Russia, and the former Soviet territories of Kazakhstan and Uzbekistan.

full story (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/politics/afghanistan-russia-steps-in-to-help-nato-2117468.html)

an ever shrinking world... :thumb:

Luke
27th October 2010, 20:45
Real setup in not ever mentioned I see.
Chinese are building oil supply lines through former republics.
They also allows many "refugees" to enter eastern Siberia.
Makes Russians nervous. Very.
After all they are at war with China for like, 50 years. Hostilities are merely suspended.
In current situation they see Chinese making resource grab... far too close to Russian resource deposits.

Rocky_Shorz
27th October 2010, 20:52
Well China has devastated their eco system, rivers polluted, the Gobi desert expanding...

They are down to 5% of the country, capable of producing food for the largest population in the world...

They need land more than resources...

If they produced 100% of finished goods in the world it still wouldn't change one important fact...

you can't eat sand...

Operator
27th October 2010, 21:01
Gentleman you're homing in to the point I think ...

I think it is possible that we will see the teaming up of old enemies and new enemies coming into the game.
China maybe more involved then you think ... Kiesha Crowther spoke about Chinese occupation of the US
(at the time she said it it didn't sound too scary) and I think there is another plot I did not consider so far.
(I posted briefly about it here: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?7034-Truth-or-dare-...-Do-we-dare-to-see-the-truth&p=63774#post63774 )

Lost Soul
29th October 2010, 18:33
Well, the US funded the mujahadeen to fight the communists. In doing so, it sowed the seeds for the re-blossoming of radical islam (the British were the first to fight them in the 19th Century). Now it's come back like an unwanted step child and threatens all of Western civilization.

Operator
29th October 2010, 18:58
Well, the US funded the mujahadeen to fight the communists. In doing so, it sowed the seeds for the re-blossoming of radical islam (the British were the first to fight them in the 19th Century). Now it's come back like an unwanted step child and threatens all of Western civilization.

Maybe the hole Islam issue is a distraction too .... remember that the magician wants you to look at the left hand while doing the trick with the right.

Martin
29th October 2010, 19:14
Someone couldn't make stuff like that up! Somehow I can't imagine that russian helicopters really could help "stabilize" the current situation in Afghanistan! Sure it isn't about helping the afghan people, but ... it's just insane.


MfG

Martin

Rocky_Shorz
29th October 2010, 19:58
Maybe the hole Islam issue is a distraction too .... remember that the magician wants you to look at the left hand while doing the trick with the right.

being on Avalon is like watching the Magician's tricks from back stage and seeing how everything is done...

We have many like Operator quietly sneaking over and changing the props so the tricks fail... ;)


The World's greatest magicians are starting to look like bumbling fools...

Luke
29th October 2010, 22:05
Someone couldn't make stuff like that up! Somehow I can't imagine that russian helicopters really could help "stabilize" the current situation in Afghanistan! Sure it isn't about helping the afghan people, but ... it's just insane.
(...)
Actually not insane
Russians designed lots of equipment especially for Afghan use, Mi-17 s among them. Its simple, sturdy stuff, think flying AK-47. US blackhawks are beaten in terms of capacity and maintenance .. Mi's simply have little electronics to foul up, and are made to lift as much stuff as engines permit.
American equipment is notorious to malfunction in such conditions .. in first iraq war for example 6 out of 10 AH-64's were permanently grounded because of sand damaging crucial components. Same for M-4's gas systems (which made special Forces seek replacements outside normal channels of procurement).

American mil-ind complex is geared toward bulk selling stuff that is (1)expensive (2) need specialized maintenance (3)barely meets specs ... but it is well known that contract will not go to "best bang for buck" option, but towards pentagon insiders, who make then giant profits selling **** that kills people .. both enemies and their own.

After all, as gen. Smedley Butler said, "War is a racket"

Martin
29th October 2010, 22:33
Actually not insane
Russians designed lots of equipment especially for Afghan use, Mi-17 s among them. Its simple, sturdy stuff, think flying AK-47. US blackhawks are beaten in terms of capacity and maintenance .. Mi's simply have little electronics to foul up, and are made to lift as much stuff as engines permit.
American equipment is notorious to malfunction in such conditions .. in first iraq war for example 6 out of 10 AH-64's were permanently grounded because of sand damaging crucial components. Same for M-4's gas systems (which made special Forces seek replacements outside normal channels of procurement).

American mil-ind complex is geared toward bulk selling stuff that is (1)expensive (2) need specialized maintenance (3)barely meets specs ... but it is well known that contract will not go to "best bang for buck" option, but towards pentagon insiders, who make then giant profits selling **** that kills people .. both enemies and their own.

After all, as gen. Smedley Butler said, "War is a racket"

Actually my remarks were not directed onto specs and quality of different war material but foremost onto the fact that the history connecting Afghanistan and Russia may not suitable for a new act of russian occupation in Afghanistan. But maybe thats just me! :p

MfG

Martin