Planet X Confirmed By Carlos Muñoz Ferrada; Orbit, Speed And Size Reveals A Comet-Planet

[jerry]

I found this article intriguing and a fascinating read. For me a peak into an old rabbit hole with a new twist . Haven't seen it posted so wanted to share for the keen insight everyone gives.
http://stateofthenation2012.com/?p=5462

[Nick Matkin]

Story was posted on 14 May. Why can I not see it yet with my telescope?

Nick

[Billy]

Thank you Jerry, I enjoyed reading this interesting article. I was heartened to see the appearances of the Bosnian Mother Mary mentioned. I spent some years in her presence all through the 80's and early 90's. She had some very interesting things to share. One information source to closely watch over the next few years i say.

Peace.

[Daphne]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGy0R2q5D_g

I've been thinking about this for the last few days. I have taken a few pictures at various times of the day and see lots of weird things. But I am not an expert on Lens flares etc.
in this video the cameras at the South Pole show very interesting images that are compelling.

[Nick Matkin]

I suspect the above video is just a practical joke. It mixes lens flares, biblical quotations, SOHO images and bits of video from an Antarctic base.

There's no coherent science. One section does not link to the next - it's just a mash-up of 'stuff'. And to think all these things wouldn't be reported by amateur astronomers the world over (but are big and bright enough to appear on basic web cams) is a silly idea. If it's visible on a web cam in Antarctica, it would be visible over much of the southern hemisphere.

Remember, thousands of amateur scientists all over the world are measuring and observing all this stuff. It's just not going to sneak past them - honestly.

Nick

[Flash]

this South Pole pics were all over the net a few years ago, 2010-11 I think, because Nibiru was to hit us. Guess what...............

Placed in the hoax section.

[Nick Matkin]

But it KEEPS coming up. Just a bit of thought would suggest - to all but the most inexperienced amongst us - that the 'facts' don't make any sense. Surely anyone reading/watching this stuff would think: "Wow, that's big, should be visible through binoculars. Why isn't anyone saying anything?"

But no, apparently they seem to think there's one big cover-up...

Nick

[ghostrider]

Never mind about planet X , April 2029 the red meteor , that's our next cosmic hurdle ... foretold by Gabriel , Enoch ,and Edward Meier an asteroid impacting earth between the North Sea and the Black Sea causing a tear in the ocean floor , and a tidal wave that will cost many lives , science has confirmed it's existence in the last year , they even say around April 2029 , they named it Apophis ...

[najara12000]

Planet X still going strong out there with video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qqtc8g-f8ys

[Hogswitch]

Planet X still going strong out there with video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qqtc8g-f8ys

"Man discovers clouds in sky, creates mass panic!"

[Sidney]

All i see are chemtrails in that video.

[Daphne]

this South Pole pics were all over the net a few years ago, 2010-11 I think, because Nibiru was to hit us. Guess what...............

Placed in the hoax section.
Just for the sake of argument, let's say there was a large planetary body in an orbit that came at an odd angle to the rest of the system, when it passed it would exert forces such as we may be already seeing. Earth changes, polar vortex, Sun changes, UV index crazy, volcanos and earthquakes, sinkholes, etc. I know exactly zero about how it would work but it could explain many weird things going on. Chemtrails could be to cover up evidence in the sky, the government shutdown last year could be about it being unclear what year it was due to pass. FEMA coffins, martial law attempts, gun confiscation, underground bunkers. The Bill Gates supported super duper seed storage vault (Ark).

I took a couple pictures over the last week of the sun at different times. I sent one to the poleshift.ning site and the moderator said I had captured part of the group of planets, moons etc in the shot.

[Daphne]

This video doesn't prove anything, but it's short and cool.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wf00ADs_3VU

[Hervé]

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... sigh...

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Nemesis, Tyche, Nibiru, Planet X, Brown Dwarf & Binary System: Myths & Realities (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?57644-Nemesis-Tyche-Nibiru-Planet-X-Brown-Dwarf-Binary-System-Myths-Realities)

[panopticon]

Some of the Antarctica footage (from the Neumayer Station) was discussed earlier here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?72370-Neumayer-Station-is-swallowed-by-giant-light-dome&p=845762&viewfull=1#post845762).

Yesterday a similar event occurred:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/attachment.php?attachmentid=27071&d=1410236173

It is lens flare and high powered spotlights (sometimes in conjunction with moon or sun rise).

View latest webcam video (from the last 24 hours) here:
http://www.awi.de/NM_WebCam/livemovieW.html

Pictures etc accessible here:
http://www.awi.de/en/infrastructure/stations/neumayer_station/webcam/

-- Pan

[Daphne]

I have been taking pictures and watching videos. I have seen some very weird stuff in my pictures. I'm not a photographer so I don't really know what I'm looking at, but this video shows how the planets are cloaked by the cloud formations that really are a reaction of the iron oxides and look very much like clouds but they are the same shapes every day. They have dark areas often, especially toward sunset when the clouds look very black from about 3:30 pm to 7 when is the approximate time of sunset. The clouds often look flat like plateaus. Also, it seems like some of the objects may be in a different light spectrum I have read, and thus are only seen in their displacement of the "clouds".

Think about how the Native Americans upon seeing ships of the invaders on the horizon could NOT register them in their awareness because essentially they didn't have them in their "database" as a possibility. I watched this fellow's videos a couple of times thinking he was nuts. Then I started noticing some of what he talks about.

There have been lots of chemtrails almost daily, but I built and put a Cloudbuster in my backyard and up it's been drastically different and better since I did that. My husband is worried about my fascination with this. He doesn't get it, so sometimes I feel a wee bit crazy. Have a look at the videos and tell me if you agree.

For over a year I have been registering weirdnesses in the sky in the back of my mind. Tiny wispy clouds near the sun at the same time in the morning, strange dark areas of clouds. Some clouds in the sky going one direction, while clouds of a very different appearance look like they are traveling a different direction. It seems like they circle the sun all day. Look at the weird geometric shapes in the sky that form between the "cloud-like" stuff. Squares, triangles. Rectangles. It's because they orbit with galaxy-like arms that seem to change direction as they orbit and form geometric shapes.

It is getting easier to see. I have photographed objects that look like the blue kachina that light up in a crazy bizarre blue color and objects that look like the sun, but are much dimmer.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qqtc8g-f8ys


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCf-nuXbxn8

I think I must figure out how to post my photos here for your perusal and analysis.
Thanks for reading

[Daphne]

Here are some photos mostly from yesterday.


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[Daphne]

The "bird" possibly winged disk image I embossed to show large planetary shapes within the "clouds". The other is the sun with the early morning orbiting wispy "clouds". When enlarged you see red coloring and what appears to be different debris and possibly orbiting bodies.



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[Daphne]

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A few more. Why are the wispy clouds orange and red?

[Sunny-side-up]

Interesting synergy here!

I've noticed the spectral coloring!

But what I would like to add here is an observation from the other day!

While observing yet more Chem-trails I wondered why one thick one had sudden gaps init? Did the plane (Craft) suddenly stop spraying or change tanks or was it an atmospheric change!
Well I studded the gap areas and realized that they were actually caused by 2 roundish/oval shaped clouds! these 2 clouds where vertically the same color of the sky so didn't show up until the Chem-Trails went through and or behind them!

So the 2 cloud like areas (Might have been something other than cloud!) where actually acting like masks! there positions given away by the chem-trails!

There could have been anything sitting in or the other side of those two cloud like areas, I/we would be non the wiser!

[Sidney]

Most chemtrails are made up of barium and aluminum, which create bluish(alum) and redish,or pinkish to orangish(barium) colorings in the clouds.
I am with you Daphne, always filing away in my mind the odd things in the sky, be it clouds, patterns, and the continual covering up of the sunrise and sunset.constant.
They ARE covering up something. No doubt in my mind whatsoever.
I also believe what ever it is, cannot be seen with an ordinary telescope,and is only seen within a different light spectrum, like infrared or other, hence, most people.looki.g for it are not seeing it.
Lets face it, the chemtrail operation must cost trillions of bucks,the entire planet, every day, is not.cheap. it also serves many purposes. But the fact is, they are hiding the sun. That is a fact. (Or something near it).
Whatever the reason, it cant be good.
Keep on watching,videoing,photographing. Every now and then someone captures something.

[Hervé]

[...]

While observing yet more Chem-trails I wondered why one thick one had sudden gaps init? Did the plane (Craft) suddenly stop spraying or change tanks or was it an atmospheric change!

[...]

Imagine the X axis as being a plane flight path and the sine wave the trace in a vertical cross-section of the corrugated (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/66/Corrugated_iron_manual_roller.JPG/1024px-Corrugated_iron_manual_roller.JPG) interface between hot, moist and cold, dry air sub-horizontal layers:


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/Sine.svg/590px-Sine.svg.png

There is your "intermittent" trail... and cloud formations; usually in a wavy pattern.

[Sunny-side-up]

[...]

While observing yet more Chem-trails I wondered why one thick one had sudden gaps init? Did the plane (Craft) suddenly stop spraying or change tanks or was it an atmospheric change!

[...]

Imagine the X axis as being a plane flight path and the sine wave the trace in a vertical cross-section of the corrugated (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/66/Corrugated_iron_manual_roller.JPG/1024px-Corrugated_iron_manual_roller.JPG) interface between hot, moist and cold, dry air sub-horizontal layers:


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/Sine.svg/590px-Sine.svg.png

There is your "intermittent" trail... and cloud formations; usually in a wavy pattern.


Thanks Amzer Zo but what i'm actually saying is, that upon close inspection of the 2 blanked out areas is that, there actually were areas that vertically matched the sky and that the chem-trail going behind them exposed them, I would not have noticed other wise! filming the sky and then adding contrast or other filtering might also show them up!

[Daphne]

27258Hi Sunny side up, I thought the made breaks intentionally because it was less obvious when they form into smaller "clouds". The ones in the AM don't come from planes that I can see and the rest of my sky since my CB was built are bluer than blue - some of that dark blue I remember as a kid. But you idea on the short trails is interesting. Here is a picture I took yesterday. Here are several with the object and a cloud is covering it partially. Can a lens flare appear under a cloud?

[MorningFox]

:rolleyes: It's not under the cloud it's transparent. The cloud is showing through the transparency of the lens flare in front.

:crazy:

[Daphne]

:rolleyes: It's not under the cloud it's transparent. The cloud is showing through the transparency of the lens flare in front.

:crazy:
Would that be true if some pictures of the object are in front of clouds and some behind?

[MorningFox]

I really don't understand what you mean but I can promise you that is simply a lens flare. They're transparent.

[Atlas]

Would that be true if some pictures of the object are in front of clouds and some behind?

Do you mean something like this:

http://assets.videocopilot.net/assets/public/images/vc_cool/prenet/user_presets/2172/165/large.jpg

If this is not a lens flare then it can only be Planet X ! :gaah:

[Nick Matkin]

Why do people think this object is real and visible?

If it were real, millions would be able to see it. I just don't get it.

Nick

[Hervé]

Although I am with Nick on this one with respect to such a huge, 3D, physical celestial object remaining undetected by any amateur instruments (most reliable in view of what I am about to write in what follows); however, and for the sake of balance, one must also take the followings into account regarding human perceptions:



When the Spaniards invaded the "New World," too many of the natives were totally unable to SEE the ships arriving and mooring. Only a few "aware" individuals were able to see it and, of course, not many "believed" them...
The phenomenon of the "Third Man in the Room":
There is a little known fact about hypnosis that is illustrated by the following story:

A subject was told under hypnosis that when he was awakened he would be unable to see a third man in the room who, it was suggested to him, would have become invisible. All the "proper" suggestions to make this "true" were given, such as "you will NOT see so- and-so" etc... When the subject was awakened, lo and behold! the suggestions did NOT work.

Why? Because they went against his belief system. He did NOT believe that a person could become invisible.

So, another trial was made. The subject was hypnotized again and was told that the third man was leaving the room... that he had been called away on urgent business, and the scene of him getting on his coat and hat was described... the door was opened and shut to provide "sound effects," and then the subject was brought out of the trance.

Guess what happened?

He was UNABLE TO SEE the Third Man.

Why? Because his perceptions were modified according to his beliefs. Certain "censors" in his brain were activated in a manner that was acceptable to his ego survival instincts.

The ways and means that we ensure survival of the ego are established pretty early in life by our parental and societal programming. This conditioning determines what IS or is NOT possible; what we are "allowed" to believe in order to be accepted. We learn this first by learning what pleases our parents and then later we modify our belief based on what pleases our society - our peers - to believe.

Anyway, to return to our story, the Third Man went about the room picking things up and setting them down and doing all sorts of things to test the subject's awareness of his presence, and the subject became utterly hysterical at this "anomalous" activity! He could see objects moving through the air, doors opening and closing, but he could NOT see the SOURCE because he did not believe that there was another man in the room.

So, what are the implications of this factor of human consciousness? (By the way, this is also the reason why most therapies to stop bad habits do not work - they attempt to operate against a "belief system" that is imprinted in the subconscious that this or that habit is essential to survival.)

One of the first things we might observe is that everyone has a different set of beliefs based upon their social and familial conditioning, and that these beliefs determine how much of the OBJECTIVE reality anyone is able to access.

In the above story, the objective reality IS WHAT IT IS, whether it is truly objective, or only a consensus reality. In this story, there is clearly a big part of that reality that is inaccessible to the subject due to a perception censor which was activated by the suggestions of the hypnotist. That is to say, the subject has a strong belief, based upon his CHOICE as to who or what to believe - the hypnotist or his own, unfettered observations of reality. In this case, he has chosen to believe the hypnotist and not what he might be able to observe if he dispensed with the perception censor put in place by the hypnotist who activated his "belief center" - even if that activation was fraudulent.

And so it is with nearly all human beings: we believe the hypnotist - the "official culture" - and we are able, with preternatural cunning, to deny what is often right in front of our faces. And in the case of the hypnosis subject, he is entirely at the mercy of the "Invisible Man" because he chooses not to see him.

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The reverse of the above is also obtainable via the same processes:


Seeing things that ain't there!

At all!


Is it really impossible to get a whole planet into an hypnotic state?

Not really, according to Truman Cash (THE PROGRAMMING OF A PLANET (http://projectavalon.net/Truman_Cash...f_a_Planet.pdf)) and many other experiencers and abductees... all it takes is a well honed assembly line processing/recycling souls/beings either during their sleep or in between lives and one gets an ignorant and unable-to-perceive planetary population... not much really.

That said, please, get acquainted with lens flares and quit confusing them with objects in them thar skies!

[Nick Matkin]

I can't find the reference now (will try again later) but I read that the old story about the ships being so outside the natives' experience that they couldn't see them turned out to be either a mistranslation or misunderstanding of what was reported. But as often happens, it was an early story and just got repeated until it became 'established fact' - as Avelonians we all understand such concepts...

Why single out native Americans for this gap in perception? In the 1840s many Englishmen had never heard about the steam train, or in the 1900s the motor car or aeroplane, but these devices were certainly seen when they passed.

Back on topic: No, I can't go along with something like this being 'invisible' no non-hypnotised people (yes, many believe we're all hypnotized through the TV, electric light, Illuminati-controlled scarlar waves...). But amateur astronomers are LOOKING for new things and any one of them would love to become famous as the first person to identify something.

So an object that is so big it's would be visible with the naked eye by millions, if not billions of people (but in practice almost exclusively only ever appears in videos or photos - a clue there...?) just wouldn't get overlooked.

Nick

PS: The video "is not available in your country".

[PAVONIA]

I've seen the coloring too in the clouds and always questioned it. Just seems odd that it would change colors when it shouldnt.

Most of the time I just assume their chem trails.

[loc333]

what is carlos munoz time line i thought it had come and gone.

[Hervé]

[...]

Why single out native Americans for this gap in perception? In the 1840s many Englishmen had never heard about the steam train, or in the 1900s the motor car or aeroplane, but these devices were certainly seen when they passed.

[...]

... same way as "mass hysteria" propagates as some sort of "consciousness"/ knowledge of something about to surface out of a collective work/consciousness.

Not so for a disconnected continent.

[Daphne]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlo2kmFWmD4

I just posted this one minute video and it shows an orb like planetary object moving through the dark clouds and emerging from time to time as it goes up and down around the sun. I don't think this is an lens flare, but if anyone can tell me what it is I would be happy. Remember that the objects are between the sun and us and they are not huge in the sky yet, though some are pretty big and can be seen with the right lighting.

[Daphne]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obgidkNXhKA&list=UUkg3Sd1ddm-gZKFnMoAlPWQ

this sunset was yesterday and there were a couple of chemtrails laid out early, but totally clear skies before the sunset. Notice the first sun goes under the horizon sometime in the 9th minute, but the sky is still blue and the sun behind the red clouds keeps going down until for another 15 minutes at least. I left before the sky was at all dark (barely twilight) but if the top of the sun goes under the horizon, isn't it supposed to get pretty dark within a few minutes? Also, look at my closeups on the clouds- weird crap in them. Could it all be due to chemtrails? Also, the shape of the "upper cloud" is moving very slowly to the left and above that are 2 upside down comma looking lines that stayed in place for most of the show too. I think these are pretty convincing...

[Daphne]

Please check out the video of 2 sun sunset I would love opinions

[Redstar Kachina]

..........

[Daphne]

This is a photo and a close up I took today. The image shows what looks like a wispy bit of cloud in the air, you would never be able to see it in the glare of the light of the sun or SUNS. But in photos taken with an iPhone 5 one can see all kinds of things.

In the close up is shown a small gray orb (nibiru) followed by a train of red (iron oxide) dust in which can be seen several distinct reddish round orbs (moons?) and to the left of the end of that if you look very carefully you will see shadows of other trailing objects.

Don't discount it without taking a few pix with your own iPhone or other camera. It's best when the clouds are around the sun.

[Daphne]

This is a photo and a close up I took today. The image shows what looks like a wispy bit of cloud in the air, you would never be able to see it in the glare of the light of the sun or SUNS. But in photos taken with an iPhone 5 one can see all kinds of things.

In the close up is shown a small gray orb (nibiru) followed by a train of red (iron oxide) dust in which can be seen several distinct reddish round orbs (moons?) and to the left of the end of that if you look very carefully you will see shadows of other trailing objects.

Don't discount it without taking a few pix with your own iPhone or other camera. It's best when the clouds are around the sun.

This is the original photo showing all the trouble the chemtrailers took to try to hide what is becoming a more and more obvious show. I have taken thousands of pictures and I am getting a lot better at it. I find things in a large percentage of pix that are not normal.

[Nick Matkin]

I left before the sky was at all dark (barely twilight) but if the top of the sun goes under the horizon, isn't it supposed to get pretty dark within a few minutes?

The time between the sun actually dipping below the horizon and how long it takes to get dark depends upon your latitude (about 15mins on the equator - I've timed it, but the data is freely available) to never very north or south during summer when the sun never sets.

Assuming you are at mid latitudes, it still depends a bit on time of year, but what has most effect is the amount of cloud and/or dust in the air. In very overcast weather it starts to get dark even before sunset.

Sunset times are predictable for any location, there are tables printed decades ago for any location or time in the future - they are still accurate. Nevertheless there are silly claims all over the web that in this or that location the sun has moved beyond its 'normal' position - as if somehow a location can have its own 'local sunset'!

So obviously the timings from sunset to total darkness (however you measure that) can vary from day to day. You have surely noticed this?

Perhaps it would be helpful to re-read the suggestions thoughtfully provided for you already by various forum members in this thread.

Nick

[Daphne]

I left before the sky was at all dark (barely twilight) but if the top of the sun goes under the horizon, isn't it supposed to get pretty dark within a few minutes?

The time between the sun actually dipping below the horizon and how long it takes to get dark depends upon your latitude (about 15mins on the equator - I've timed it, but the data is freely available) to never very north or south during summer when the sun never sets.

Assuming you are at mid latitudes, it still depends a bit on time of year, but what has most effect is the amount of cloud and/or dust in the air. In very overcast weather it starts to get dark even before sunset.

Sunset times are predictable for any location, there are tables printed decades ago for any location or time in the future - they are still accurate. Nevertheless there are silly claims all over the web that in this or that location the sun has moved beyond its 'normal' position - as if somehow a location can have its own 'local sunset'!

So obviously the timings from sunset to total darkness (however you measure that) can vary from day to day. You have surely noticed this?

Perhaps it would be helpful to re-read the suggestions thoughtfully provided for you already by various forum members in this thread.

Nick

I'm not looking to change my mind on this Nick. I know that I am seeing some freaky stuff. And I'm not tripping. I'm a pretty intelligent and well read person and am not inclined to be irrational. I investigate what I am interested in extensively.

The sunrise or sunset variations have to do with both an earth wobble due the magnetic pull of the nibiru system coming through our neck of the woods and it is erratic. Have you heard how the planets are changing in our solar system? Confirmed by Lamestream media for whatever that is worth. Why? It is possible that something moving through is affecting all the planets. I'm not talking about zetas here. I'm talking about strange signs in the sky. To understand what I'm saying Nick perhaps You should watch multiple hours of videos on nibiru and Planet X and read tons, but Way more important than that my friend, is spending a lot of time just watching the sky. We don't do that much anymore in our world. If you do, then sorry for the presumption but I think anyone would see it if they did. After a little while, with a little help from me or others who have gone before you would know exactly what I am talking about.

It's a spiritual evolutionary process I think and I am excited to be a witness to this beautiful cosmological event. They are ****ing up the skies with the chemtrails to hide it. They can't hide it forever.

I'm beginning to think that there are different realities going on here now or something. Now, Writing that down sounds weird to me, but I am learning to really trust my own inner compass and ignore what doesn't resonate.

So feel free to take or leave what I have to say.
Daphne

[Mike Gorman]

Story was posted on 14 May. Why can I not see it yet with my telescope?

Nick There is mention of only being able to see it in the Infrared -possible reason...I don't know but the old latin science prognosticator has a good track record

[Hervé]

[...]
The sunrise or sunset variations have to do with both an earth wobble due the magnetic pull of the nibiru system coming through our neck of the woods and it is erratic. [...]


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... sigh...

The Sun of Late (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?47798-The-Sun-Of-Late&p=528648&viewfull=1#post528648)

Ooopss! No Pole nor Plate Shift Yet! (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?47595-Ooopss--No-Pole-nor-Plate-Shift-Yet-)

Nemesis, Tyche, Nibiru, Planet X, Brown Dwarf & Binary System: Myths & Realities (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?57644-Nemesis-Tyche-Nibiru-Planet-X-Brown-Dwarf-Binary-System-Myths-Realities)

[Atlas]

Nemesis, Tyche, Nibiru, Planet X, Brown Dwarf & Binary System: Myths & Realities (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?57644-Nemesis-Tyche-Nibiru-Planet-X-Brown-Dwarf-Binary-System-Myths-Realities)


Thank you Amzer Zo ! Very interesting thread.

[Nick Matkin]

Thank you buares and Amzer Zo. To us it's unfathomable perhaps why some people can believe this stuff. I mean, how many times must it be said that even the tiniest variation in the Earth's rotation/speed/position/tilt could go unnoticed?

Daphne, we have atomic clocks running everything from the internet to satnav systems. Any external influences changing any of the Earth's parameters would be picked up and confirmed in hours across the world. Even if you believe The Powers That Be would hush this all up, I can assure you there are tens of thousands of amateur astronomers monitoring and searching in all areas of the EM spectrum and Earth's parameters who would pick up any anomalies just as quickly. That also applies to your suggestion that other planets "are changing in our solar system". What changes? Confirmed by whom? Where and when?

Reading and watching dozens of books and videos of dubious science only confirmed by a handful of maverick researchers doesn't convince anyone with a even a cursory knowledge of celestial mechanics. I've seen quite a few Nibiru videos and almost all the theories are jaw-droppingly preposterous.

Having said that, there is the well-known theory that our sun may have a dim brown dwarf or neutron star twin a few light years out in space, the hunt is on for that, and it would possibly explain the perturbation of the outer planets (which are also ascribed to observational errors).

If it exists, both stars are probably orbiting around a common centre of gravity, so it can't actually enter the solar system, or it is an extremely elongated orbit around the sun with an orbital period of millions or billions of years. If that's the case it will be spotted a few light years away - plenty of warning - and as it got very close to the solar system it would very likely influence the Earth and other planets in ways you suggest, but in that case it so would easily be detected.

Even Bill Ryan gets exasperated (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?3893-Our-second-SUN-&p=34723&viewfull=1#post34723) at these repeated posts.

I strongly suggest, in your extensive investigations, you post your observations on a wide selection of US, European and Australian amateur astronomy websites and forums. These are not controlled by government agencies, but managed by enthusiastic, well qualified amateurs, all keen to explore new proposals, observations and discoveries. That's their whole purpose. Let us know what they say will you?

But hey, there's this (I'm surprised no one's wheeled this out yet: Washington Post, front page, 31 December 1983: "Mysterious heavenly Body Discovered" (http://battleofearth.wordpress.com/2010/02/07/mystery-heavenly-body-discovered-washington-post-front-page/)

Although explained here (http://www.universetoday.com/14486/2012-no-planet-x/)and other places following more modern observations (OK cover-ups if you want!)

Project Avalon is where "Science and Spirituality Meet", so lets let science poke its ugly head up from time to time please.

Nick

[Daphne]

Would that be true if some pictures of the object are in front of clouds and some behind?

Do you mean something like this:

http://assets.videocopilot.net/assets/public/images/vc_cool/prenet/user_presets/2172/165/large.jpg

If this is not a lens flare then it can only be Planet X ! :gaah:
Lots of that would be lens flare , but the second sun at the 4:00 position is a classic position to be able to see it. But there are several objects with Nibiru.not just one planet. As can be seen in my picture of the nibiru object in several edited versions. If you look at those pictures what do you see? It is hard to see before one knows what a planet would look like traveling through space is supposed to look like.

[Daphne]

This is a photo and a close up I took today. The image shows what looks like a wispy bit of cloud in the air, you would never be able to see it in the glare of the light of the sun or SUNS. But in photos taken with an iPhone 5 one can see all kinds of things.

In the close up is shown a small gray orb (nibiru) followed by a train of red (iron oxide) dust in which can be seen several distinct reddish round orbs (moons?) and to the left of the end of that if you look very carefully you will see shadows of other trailing objects.

Don't discount it without taking a few pix with your own iPhone or other camera. It's best when the clouds are around the sun.

This is the original photo showing all the trouble the chemtrailers took to try to hide what is becoming a more and more obvious show. I have taken thousands of pictures and I am getting a lot better at it. I find things in a large percentage of pix that are not normal.

In these pictures you can see a few different edits of the incoming afternoon Nibiru.
Now if you are not a bit blown away by these I suggest that you simply have no context for viewing this! plus the fact that without lowering the light source of the sun you cannot see it by looking in the sky.

The photo of the Huge dark chemtrails cloud shows an "angel" looking figure, or a disk with wings as it comes over above the sun. And a close up of the "angel in mist".

As it gets closer and I edit out the light you can see a red planet that looks like a red fried egg sort of.

After editing out the mist surrounding it you can see it.

This thread does NOT show up for me when I search the current forum posts except on the main forum page on the right. Once you click on the several page link of new posts it does not seem to be there for people to,search. When I put in the term Planet X, I was unable,to,find the thread unless I add the word "confirmed" to my search. Why is that happening? It's happened multiple times. I'd hate to think that there is censorship here.

[Daphne]

And again, I,refreshed my page and hit the z"new posts" icon on the page and my latest post does NOT show up! I am getting really annoyed by the possible implications of this and would like a moderator to address it.

[Atlas]

Nibiru

Hi Daphne,

I agree with you when you say that nowadays, the majority of people don't look at the sky anymore but I don't think they should try just to spot a nonexistent or highly hypothetical Nibiru. Concerning the latter, I stand by Antoine Gigal who identifies it as the planet Venus. See my thread here:

projectavalon.net/Ancient Egyptians: NIBIRU is NEBHERU, the planet Venus ! (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?61878-Ancient-Egyptians-NIBIRU-is-NEBHERU-the-planet-Venus--)

On your pictures, I see a beautiful sky and what seems to be lens flares but I don't see any chem-trails nor objects. Even though, it's good to know that some members are watching at the sky and would detect anything passing by.

[Atlas]

I strongly suggest, in your extensive investigations, you post your observations on a wide selection of US, European and Australian amateur astronomy websites and forums. These are not controlled by government agencies, but managed by enthusiastic, well qualified amateurs, all keen to explore new proposals, observations and discoveries. That's their whole purpose. Let us know what they say will you?
This is a very good advice.



Project Avalon is where "Science and Spirituality Meet", so lets let science poke its ugly head up from time to time please.
Not long ago, I was asking myself: "where science and spirituality meet" or "where spirituality and science meet" ? It doesn't make much difference but I agree with the fact that science has some difficulties in 'poking its head up' and is sometimes drowned by the vast amount of spirituality deployed by the members but this is the challenge, we've got to keep them together... (my 2 cts)

[Daphne]

I strongly suggest, in your extensive investigations, you post your observations on a wide selection of US, European and Australian amateur astronomy websites and forums. These are not controlled by government agencies, but managed by enthusiastic, well qualified amateurs, all keen to explore new proposals, observations and discoveries. That's their whole purpose. Let us know what they say will you?
This is a very good advice.



Project Avalon is where "Science and Spirituality Meet", so lets let science poke its ugly head up from time to time please.
Not long ago, I was asking myself: "where science and spirituality meet" or "where spirituality and science meet" ? It doesn't make much difference but I agree with the fact that science has some difficulties in 'poking its head up' and is sometimes drowned by the vast amount of spirituality deployed by the members but this is the challenge, we've got to keep them together... (my 2 cts)

And I think my advice that you take some pictures and enlarge them will help you see what I'm seeing. But please don't do that if you are afraid. If you see some things that might just make it difficult to sleep at night. Should I read articles in science literature from the same clowns who lied about vaccines and autism? Or perhaps GMOs? Or maybe I should ask the fools who spray the skies and lie about it to tell me the truth about this momentous event that will induce mass panic if the people could see this stuff. Or perhaps I should ask the oceanographers who are gagged mostly in what they can say about Fukushima? I could go on and on.

The liars lie. I don't give them much credence, especially when they have been on both sides of the argument. I trust my own EYES.

I will not debate my perceptions with people who will not and have not looked at the sky extensively in the ways I have suggested before throwing the failed and corrupt scientific cabal in my face. No, I'm done.

If you can show me how this sky stuff is being done with chemtrails and HAARP, I will listen. I really don't think they have the capacity to put holographic images like this in the sky on the off chance that people like me are going to see them.

[Daphne]

Ok, so the finding the page issue is only on my ipad, I can live with that.

[Nick Matkin]

I will not debate my perceptions with people who will not and have not looked at the sky extensively in the ways I have suggested before throwing the failed and corrupt scientific cabal in my face. No, I'm done.

What? That's what astronomers do, they look at the skys, in more ways than you or I do - that's for sure! Am I to infer from what you say that you can see things others cannot. Is this what you are saying? Mmmm...?

So you are also saying are you that all amateur scientists from all areas are part of this "corrupt scientific cabal"? Really??

You could investigate the science behind lens flares, although that would have also been written by members of this corrupt cabal.

Or, select some or your most convincing photos and present them to amateur photography or meteorology groups and forums for their opinions... oh yes... cabals :rolleyes:

An amazing debate on many levels...

Nick

[Sunny-side-up]

One big problem with looking up at the skies nowadays is: there are so many other possible things hanging around up there, big and small, things being hidden/masked inside and outside of our thin little atmosphere!

who really knows what we might be seeing and or not!

[Daphne]

I will not debate my perceptions with people who will not and have not looked at the sky extensively in the ways I have suggested before throwing the failed and corrupt scientific cabal in my face. No, I'm done.

What? That's what astronomers do, they look at the skys, in more ways than you or I do - that's for sure! Am I to infer from what you say that you can see things others cannot. Is this what you are saying? Mmmm...?

So you are also saying are you that all amateur scientists from all areas are part of this "corrupt scientific cabal"? Really??

You could investigate the science behind lens flares, although that would have also been written by members of this corrupt cabal.

Or, select some or your most convincing photos and present them to amateur photography or meteorology groups and forums for their opinions... oh yes... cabals :rolleyes:

An amazing debate on many levels...

Nick

I am not saying that. What I am saying is that it is clear to me that many areas of information are withheld by TPTB. If you don't agree with that then there is no reason to continue. I trust my eyes to tell me that repeating patterns day by day are not random crap in the sky. If you were here right now with me I could present my case far more effectively because I could show you what to look for. I have found dozens of pictures when inspected on my computer are filled with anomalies that you might not know what to look for. The patterns are in the cloud shapes (on non chemtrails days) and in the wisps of cloud like material that are moving through the sky in wave like patterns and in the close ups you can see planet like objects round with planet like marks on some of them. They create these "tunnels" in what looks like clouds as they move across the sky near the sun. I have videoed them moving or taken pix of them in sequences that show the progress through the clouds often leaving dark black or red lines. Eventually they end up in "V" shaped sideways marks. (Kind of like Nike symbol, or the NASA symbol. There has been speculation that I have seen about those sideways Vs are Planet X references hidden in plane sight. Many of the cloud formations are in the same place at the same time day to day. Is that normal? There are lots of chemtrails hiding it. That is why I built a cloudbuster and since I put it up I've been able to take pictures and see it all.

I really have nothing else to say. Scientifically proven or not.


Planet X talk is so marginalized by the cultural norms and that is much like other conspiracy talk (9 eleven, sandy hook, fake be headings) but there is an aspect that makes people discount it. The history of zeta talk (which I know very little about) includes providing a date at one point that passed us by. Ok, that doesn't take away from other sources. Also, it involves the possibility of huge cataclysm. Who wants to go there? Can you even imagine billions of people trying to save themselves if they saw this? Remember war of the worlds?

I'm saying it again. I trust my eyes. I wish I could show you what I see...

[Daphne]

Ad Nick! I was referring to YOU not astronomers when I said I didn't want to debate with someone who hadn't spent time looking at the sky

[Sidney]

Clouds do not travel the same path every day. Obviously, this is not normal. I too have witnessed some off the charts stuff, and when trying to explain it to people, it sounds crazy. I too trust my own eyes.
Daphne, I believe you, but also to note, the picin post # 47 looks to be lens flares. Note the hex shape in the little circles

[Nick Matkin]

Ad Nick! I was referring to YOU not astronomers when I said I didn't want to debate with someone who hadn't spent time looking at the sky

Thank you for the clarification, but you have no idea how much time, or what equipment I have to observe the sky, both during the day and at night. Nevertheless, it's still astronomers, both professional and amateur, who are better qualified than either you or me to asses/explore/discuss/measure what's out there.

And as both buares and I suggest, please submit your observations and evidence to the relevant amateur scientific groups described in posts #46 and #54 for evaluation. If you have uncovered something important these guys will be thrilled to be involved in your new discovery and I'll be forced to eat my words. Will you do that?

Thanks.

Nick


PS: You may like to spend some time reading through the extensive post by Amzer Zo here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?57644-Nemesis-Tyche-Nibiru-Planet-X-Brown-Dwarf-Binary-System-Myths-Realities)where he (?) has gone to great lengths to collate all the myths and misconceptions about Planet X, Nibiru, etc. including some of Bill Ryan's exasperated comments on the repeated postings about this subject.

[Sidney]

Hey Nick, can I ask your opinion of why the sunrise and sunset are covered up 99% of the time with fake clouds?
This is a legit question, I am not trying to be a smart ax .

[Nick Matkin]

Hey Nick, can I ask your opinion of why the sunrise and sunset are covered up 99% of the time with fake clouds?
This is a legit question, I am not trying to be a smart ax .

That's fine, a fare question, but you'll probably know what my angle is, that's why you asked. :) But it risks derailing the thread which jerry started about Planet X.

"Chemtrails" (if that's what you are getting at) have been very well discussed on Project Avalon in numerous threads already, so I doubt there's a need to start another one here.

"99% fake" is a sweeping statement. Nevertheless, to provide my opinion as requested; exhaust gasses from the increasing numbers of jet planes often seed cirrus clouds if atmospheric conditions are right.

Some days the skies are full and completely criss-crossed which spread and last for hours, some days just a few that last for a few minutes each, and some days none at all. This can happen at any time of the year. I understand it is dependent on air temperature, moisture content and dew point at 30 - 40,000 feet. But I am not a meteorologist, so we need to ask a pilot, or a meteorologist (a serious amateur of course) exactly how this occurs.

As I've suggested before, members of a pilots' or amateur metrologists' forums will be happy to describe the atmospheric physics and chemistry behind your question.

The cause of spreading vapour trails has always been known, but two events provided concrete evidence: the grounding of all flights (except a few military flights) over the US following 9/11 and the grounding of all flights over Western Europe from 15 to 23 April 2010 when Iceland's Eyjafjallajoekull volcano erupted. Cirrus clouds during both those occasions were very significantly reduced, proving that a percentage are indeed seeded by aircraft combustion products.

This is not to suggest I believe cloud seeding or deliberate weather modification is a fantasy. It certainly is not, and the technology has been experimented with and developed since at least the 1940s.

Nick

[Daphne]

Ad Nick! I was referring to YOU not astronomers when I said I didn't want to debate with someone who hadn't spent time looking at the sky

Thank you for the clarification, but you have no idea how much time, or what equipment I have to observe the sky, both during the day and at night. Nevertheless, it's still astronomers, both professional and amateur, who are better qualified than either you or me to asses/explore/discuss/measure what's out there.

And as both buares and I suggest, please submit your observations and evidence to the relevant amateur scientific groups described in posts #46 and #54 for evaluation. If you have uncovered something important these guys will be thrilled to be involved in your new discovery and I'll be forced to eat my words. Will you do that?

Thanks.

Nick


PS: You may like to spend some time reading through the extensive post by Amzer Zo here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?57644-Nemesis-Tyche-Nibiru-Planet-X-Brown-Dwarf-Binary-System-Myths-Realities)where he (?) has gone to great lengths to collate all the myths and misconceptions about Planet X, Nibiru, etc. including some of Bill Ryan's exasperated comments on the repeated postings about this subject.

I did not assume that you did not go outside, but you have yet to even say if you've really looked. I have looked at some of the post and it's all well and good, but my EYES do not lie Nick.
All the written word in the world means very little to me in light of what I have seen over and over again. I see that your opinion is even more unmovable than mine, as I have said that if someone can show me how they can make the things in the sky look the way they do in any way I will consider it. I don't see you doing anything to investigate. Am I wrong about that? And I have not heard anything about the bill Ryan Px issue. Before my my time I guess. I answered an already posted thread Nick. What's the matter with that? Are you trying to censor me or yourself because of what Bill Ryan wants?

[Daphne]

Hey Nick, can I ask your opinion of why the sunrise and sunset are covered up 99% of the time with fake clouds?
This is a legit question, I am not trying to be a smart ax .

That's fine, a fare question, but you'll probably know what my angle is, that's why you asked. :) But it risks derailing the thread which jerry started about Planet X.

"Chemtrails" (if that's what you are getting at) have been very well discussed on Project Avalon in numerous threads already, so I doubt there's a need to start another one here.

"99% fake" is a sweeping statement. Nevertheless, to provide my opinion as requested; exhaust gasses from the increasing numbers of jet planes often seed cirrus clouds if atmospheric conditions are right.

Some days the skies are full and completely criss-crossed which spread and last for hours, some days just a few that last for a few minutes each, and some days none at all. This can happen at any time of the year. I understand it is dependent on air temperature, moisture content and dew point at 30 - 40,000 feet. But I am not a meteorologist, so we need to ask a pilot, or a meteorologist (a serious amateur of course) exactly how this occurs.

As I've suggested before, members of a pilots' or amateur metrologists' forums will be happy to describe the atmospheric physics and chemistry behind your question.

The cause of spreading vapour trails has always been known, but two events provided concrete evidence: the grounding of all flights (except a few military flights) over the US following 9/11 and the grounding of all flights over Western Europe from 15 to 23 April 2010 when Iceland's Eyjafjallajoekull volcano erupted. Cirrus clouds during both those occasions were very significantly reduced, proving that a percentage are indeed seeded by aircraft combustion products.

This is not to suggest I believe cloud seeding or deliberate weather modification is a fantasy. It certainly is not, and the technology has been experimented with and developed since at least the 1940s.

Nick

Oh my God. I didn't think anyone believed that chemtrails are contrails anymore....this sheds much more light on your comments to me nick. You really are trying to discredit me completely. Why?

I just watched the planes do dashes in the sky Friday during the sunset! Boy, they sure better get their engines fixed if they are turning on and off during flight.

[Nick Matkin]

Oh my God. I didn't think anyone believed that chemtrails are contrails anymore... You really are trying to discredit me completely. Why?

What? :confused:

[Atlas]

Oh my God. I didn't think anyone believed that chemtrails are contrails anymore....

I do :p. While I don't dismiss the fact that there is evidence for global geo-engineering techniques and technologies, my opinion is that probably more than 90% of the so-called chemtrails shown on pictures on the web are nothing but contrails...

[Sidney]

Wow. Well, Daphne, LOL is about all I can comment at this point. Because I won't go to the chemtrail/contrail debate, nothing to debate IMO.
Keep documenting, and watching the skies when you can. Every day has a lesson eh?

[MorningFox]

Strange. You seem like an intelligent man buares. Surely you can see that many of these trails left behind by planes do not dissipate like contrails do. They linger all day, eventually fanning out to cause a haze in the sky. It's painfully obvious these are not vapour trails. There's enough evidence on the net to convince the hardest of sceptics that it's more than vapour, not to mention the evidence available from looking up in the skies. (Certainly where I live in London, anyway)

Some mornings ill watch planes go by, leaving a steady trail of vapour behind them which dissipates at the same rate that they fly at. The skies are clear. Other days I'll watch as planes leave trails across the sky that do not dissappear at all. They cover the length of the sky and over the hours they spread out causing pretty much complete cover. The sky has an unnatural haze that lingers all day. It's undeniable and happens fairly regularly.

[Atlas]

Sorry MorningFox but there is no scientific proof of chemtrails that I know of. If you can find one (and I mean scientific proof, not pseudo-scientific), I'll be happy to have a look at it and maybe change my mind but all I've seen so far is ignorance and fear mongering.

[Daphne]

Sorry MorningFox but there is no scientific proof of chemtrails that I know of. If you can find one (and I mean scientific proof, not pseudo-scientific), I'll be happy to have a look at it and maybe change my mind but all I've seen so far is ignorance and fear mongering.

Hi Buares,
I really take issue with the ridiculous assumption that scientific evidence is the only evidence and that it is incorruptable. Nothing could be farther from the truth. Do you EVER believe in hidden agendas or liars? I have recently been learning more about NLP and the art of trolling and I see deliberate attempts to make these claims like the scientific world is above reproach and everyone who doesn't get that is a fool. I am not calling you a troll. But I cannot understand your lack of eyes. Can we not trust our own impressions and ideas? Are we THAT traumatized by the programming we get that we cannot react otherwise when "experts" (whatever that means) tell us what we should do what we should believe and SHAME us when we think for ourselves. This is a much bigger societal issue in my opinion. It's the difference between mental slavery and freedom.

[Daphne]

Oh my God. I didn't think anyone believed that chemtrails are contrails anymore... You really are trying to discredit me completely. Why?

What? :confused:
Perfect Nick
You are confused? Why? You don't seem to read my posts very well and focus only on things that you can use to discredit my thinking in a larger way. You come off sounding pompous and condescending.

How about what you didn't comment on in my last reply:
What about the planes that according to you must be having repeated engine shut downs in mid air when they make dashes in their contrails in the sky??? Follow the logic Nick. They are not shutting off their engines, are they? You know that planes cannot be turned in and off during flight, right? Are those skies going from one atmospheric condition to another every 2000 feet or so? (That's a guess in distance so don't focus on it to the exclusion of the REAL point as you usually have done here).
Come on, you can't possibly think that! Can you?
So I am betting your argument will be that you have never seen that condition of dashes across the sky, so it must NOT be true.
I will film it next time I see it (which is almost daily.) and post it.

Not once have you even answered any questions about doing your own homework and going outdoors to takie a picture of the sky and editing it to see what's really there. NOT ONCE.
I am suspicious of your motives, Big time.

[Daphne]

What is it about that sentence that you took the pains to remove it from your quote instead of just quoting my entire post (that's a lot quicker and easier)?
I am confused now......

The real quote was
Oh my God. I didn't think anyone believed that chemtrails are contrails anymore....this sheds much more light on your comments to me nick. You really are trying to discredit me completely. Why?

You took out the sentence "this sheds much more light on your comments to me nick"
That should be pretty clear that I see you as having an agenda
What's confusing about that?

[Nick Matkin]

Daphne,

Please don't get so het up, like that. It doesn't strengthen your argument. My disagreeing with you is hardly discrediting you now is it? Editing your post quote (by adding "..." to make it clear that's what I've done) was to highlight that to me it just didn't make sense. Your original post still stands as you wrote it

No doubt I come across as pompous and condescending when I'm reining back if I see incomprehensible stuff like this. You'll agree it's better than replying with anger.

Obviously we are all surrounded by lies and deceit from governments and big business, but sometimes one has to step back and consider the practicalities to this or that conspiracy. Sometimes to make a conspiracy actually work, so many layers of people, materials, transportation must be involved that it just becomes impractical.

And another thing; why does someone who disagrees with a conspiracy have "to have an agenda" as you put it? Some of the scientifically educated may think that people like you who see dark conspiracies everywhere also "have an agenda", which won't be fulfilled until we are all back foraging for berries and living in the stone age, dying of cholera and smallpox.

You are right, on this matter my mind is closed, not because I don't think conspiracies exist, but because I have looked at both sides of the argument, and my scientific/engineering background strongly suggests that it's just not possible on this scale.

Geoengineering has and does take place, but I don't believe it's on the scale you propose here.

As for the dashed trail you saw. I've done a bit of research for you:

The reasons that you have start-and-stop contrails is because the atmosphere is not constant and smooth; it's turbulent. It's pretty common to have one spot at, say, 35,000 feet where the temperature/humidity is at 40/100%, yet only a quarter mile away, the temperature is a degree or so higher, or the humidity is a percentage point less. Apparently that's enough to stop the contrail from persisting or forming. And an aircraft flying at 550 miles per hour covers that quarter mile in just a couple of seconds.

Anyway, why would they turn the jets on then off? To make it obvious? Why not keep the spray on? Why not do it at invisibly at night, or above clouds on overcast days? Or over the oceans where no one can see?

Probably you haven't, but I have asked seven meteorologists about this conspiracy. They'd all heard of it and all dismissed it as completely impractical on many levels. But then perhaps they are part of the conspiracy...

As far as I'm concerned the killer blow for the whole subject is the logistics of a such a massive spraying programme. To have this massive worldwide spraying would require thousands of aircraft, flying 24/7 shifts, with the additional support infrastructure, a God-knows how many pilots and ground crew, and the combined efforts of every employee at Boeing, Lockheed-Martin, BAE Systems, etc. etc.

You can't just sling tanks under a passenger jet without the pilot knowing the trim and weight was wrong. If it's mixed in the fuel, it'll damage the engines. Anyway, even if it didn't damage them, where in the fuel production and distribution would it be added without anyone noticing? It's all routinely tested by thousands of personnel in labs across the world for very good reasons. But then no doubt all these staff have been paid to keep quite, too.

Not only that, but the chemicals would need to be manufactured in massive quantities (where, and from what?) in plants staffed by employees. How are these plants kept secret? Then the chemicals must be shipped around the the world, and distributed throughout the county, without a single spillage accident, or without anyone wondering what is in all those trucks.

So you see where I'm coming from. That is my sinister agenda...

I think we'll have to agree to disagree.

Nick

[Hervé]

Regarding this "chemtrails-contrails" psy-op (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?54217-Their-Mind-and-the-Emotional-Matrix-that-we-create-with-it.&p=652209&viewfull=1#post652209), here is the best paper I have run into, so far:

Chemtrails? Contrails? Strange Skies (http://www.sott.net/article/221199-Chemtrails-Contrails-Strange-Skies#)

Laura Knight-Jadczyk
Sott.net (http://www.sott.net/article/221199-Chemtrails-Contrails-Strange-Skies#)
Sun, 09 Jan 2011 00:00 CET


http://www.sott.net/image/s2/53012/medium/chemtrails7.jpg (http://www.sott.net/image/s2/53012/full/chemtrails7.jpg)

© NASA, Contrails as seen from space: the fact that now the contrails persists for so long is in itself a sign that something is not going well, but it's NOT evidence they are "chemtrails."

A few things that should be considered when talking about so-called "chemtrails":

1) Obviously, there is some "spraying" that goes on and it's not for the benefit of humanity. I've heard a few stories from people about very low flying planes dispersing stuff that lands all over everything or makes people sick. And I do mean LOW flying.

2) Spraying that actually affects a designated area beneath the sprayer (the plane in question) must be at a fairly low altitude otherwise what is sprayed will not come down on the area beneath the spraying. This is due to the fact that our atmosphere has a number of layers and each layer has its own temperature and wind speed and direction, and very often, things in one layer take a very long time and distance to mix or mingle with other layers, IF they mix at all. Usually, the wind speeds in the upper layers are such that anything deposited there might only penetrate to lower, weather, layers, after many thousands of miles of travel. It's a very nonlinear situation and highly, impossibly, unpredictable.

3) So, if you are talking about chemical spraying that you can see above in the sky, that then falls on the area below it, you must be talking about low altitude spraying.

4) Therefore, trails that are very high in the sky that have no hope of ever interacting with the ground below them cannot properly be called "chemtrails" except, perhaps, if a chemical is being sprayed that is supposed to affect the weather (and even that is done fairly low). Cloud seeding is done by dispersing elements such as dry ice crystals or silver iodide in the atmosphere with an airplane or even ground based stations. Seeding clouds is believed to promote condensation of water droplets, thus, rain.

5) Cloud seeding is usually done TO clouds, it doesn't create them. Plus, it, too, must be done at a fairly low altitude in order for the effects to affect the area below the activity. Otherwise, the higher wind speeds in the upper layers will carry the silver iodide away, disperse it, and the desired effect will not be had. Here's a page about cloud seeding: http://www.sandylandwater.com/ops.htm

6) Small private planes fly at 12,000 feet maximum. Passenger airliners fly from 25,000 to 45,000 feet. The Concorde super-sonic transport cruised at Mach 2 at 57,000 feet. Miltary fighters get up to 80,000 feet, some specialty planes such as The U2 spy plane and the SR-71 are thought to go as high as 120,000 feet. the x-15 has a ceiling of 354,000 feet.

7) From Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cirrus_cloud):


http://www.sott.net/image/s2/53070/medium/cloud_types.gif (http://www.sott.net/image/s2/53070/full/cloud_types.gif)
A chart showing the atmospheric levels and types of clouds that forms at those levels. Click to enlarge


Cirrus clouds generally refer to atmospheric clouds that are characterized by thin, wisp-like strands, often accompanied by tufts, leading to their common (non-standard) name of mare's tail.[1] Sometimes these clouds are so extensive that they are virtually indistinguishable from one another, forming a sheet of cirrus called cirrostratus. Sometimes convection at high altitudes produces another form of cirrus called cirrocumulus, a pattern of small cloud tufts which include droplets of freezed water. The term is also used for certain interstellar clouds composed of sub-micrometre sized dust grains.[2]

Many cirrus clouds produce hair like filaments made of the heavier ice crystals that precipitate from them. These "fall streaks", a form of virga, often indicate the difference in the motion of air (wind shear) between the upper part of the cirrus cloud and the air below it. Sometimes the top of the cirrus cloud is moving rapidly above a slower layer of air, or the streak is falling into a faster moving lower layer. The directions of these winds can also vary.

Cirrus clouds are formed when water vapor freezes into ice crystals at altitudes above 8000 meters (26,000 ft).[3] Due to the sparse moisture at a high altitude, they tend to be very thin.[1] At this altitude, aircraft leave condensation trails that can turn into cirrus clouds.[4] This happens when hot exhaust, mostly water, freezes, leaving a visible trail. Streaks may appear straight when wind shear is absent, giving the clouds the appearance of a comma ([I]cirrus uncinus), or tangle, an indication of high-level turbulence. The falling ice crystals evaporate before reaching the ground.


http://www.sott.net/image/s2/53010/medium/799px_CirrusField_color.jpg (http://www.sott.net/image/s2/53010/full/799px_CirrusField_color.jpg)
© Wikimedia Commons, A sky covered with cirrus clouds.


Cirrus clouds cover up to 30% of the Earth and have a net heating effect. Cirrus clouds efficiently absorb outgoing infrared radiation (heat) beneath them (greenhouse effect), while only marginally reflecting incoming sunlight (albedo).[5]

A high number of cirrus clouds may be a sign of an approaching frontal system or upper air disturbance. This usually signals a change in weather in the near future, usually becoming increasingly stormy.[6] Cirrus clouds can also be the remnants of a thunderstorm. A large shield of cirrus and cirrostratus typically accompany the high altitude outflow of hurricanes or typhoons. Cirrus clouds have also been observed developing after the persistent formation of contrails from an aircraft. Increase in air traffic is a possible cause of an increasing amount of cirrus clouds (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cirrus_cloud%20).[7] 8) Now, what is wrong with the picture presented above?

Answer: the altitude of cirrus clouds vs the altitude of many jetliners that criss-cross the skies with trails which are obviously much lower than the altitude designated for cirrus clouds.

YET the trails left by these aircraft ACT like cirrus clouds used to act at much higher altitudes.

Most logical (and scariest) conclusion: the cold layer of the upper atmosphere has gotten lower and probably thicker and therefore, more airplanes flying at lower altitudes are forming contrails in that icy air which used to be the much higher domain of cirrus clouds.

Because, again, if you understand about the layers of the atmosphere, temperatures, winds, etc, then you will realize that what is happening is NOT spraying of the human population or even intentional weather manipulation, it is the EVIDENCE that our planetary atmosphere has changed dramatically in the past ten years or so. More like 20 because that was when I began noticing the changes in cloud formation.

9) Also notice that the trails left by planes at much LOWER altitudes, generally dissipate quickly. What is bad news is that they leave ANY trail at all at those altitudes! (And knowing how layers that form cirrus clouds function from the above, you can pretty well understand that they are not spraying stuff on the ground below.) But certainly, there CAN be the natural formation of cirrus clouds by plane exhaust or fuel dumping AND low level spraying of "stuff" at the same time. I would suggest that such cases are "cover up" the same way the endless "gray alien abductions" are a cover-up for what aliens are REALLY doing on this planet.

For example, this very stupid video that is claimed to be "cloud seeding":


It is not. What it is is evidence that the atmosphere layer that the plane is flying through is very cold. Now, whether that is a problem or not depends on where and what time of year the video was made. In some cases, cold air that low would not be out of season, so to say.

10) Do these activities have any effect on the weather?

Undoubtedly they do. But that is not intentional. See above discussion of cirrus clouds where the net effect is HEATING of the atmosphere.

What seems to be happening is that the area of weather phenomena - the troposphere - seems to have been compressed by an expanding (or dropping) stratosphere and the stratosphere itself seems to have changed it's characteristics. THIS is VERY concerning! These are signs and symptoms, along with many others that we have chronicled on SOTT, that something very unusual is going on in our cosmic neighborhood because weather changes are taking place on other planets, too. I can guarantee you that they aren't doing "chemtrails" on Mars or Jupiter or Saturn.

11) If you study the work of James McCanney (http://www.jmccanneyscience.com/), you will come to the understanding that the 5 layers of the Earth's atmosphere are also layers of alternating electrical charge. THIS IS IMPORTANT. McCanney also discusses how these electric flows around and on the earth interact with the sun to create our weather/climate. Piers Corbyn is becoming famous for utilizing similar principles for far more accurate weather predictions than the mainstream climatologists are able to work up. The fact that Corbyn CAN predict the weather as accurately as he does argues against the "chemtrails" being a weather modification activity. His method is concerned with solar activity, not so-called "chemtrails".

12) Regarding these layers of electromagnetism surrounding the Earth, in 1958 some things were done that may very well have a strong bearing on the conditions of our planet in the present day. I would like for you to think about this in respect of climate change, so-called "chem-trails" and HAARP.
"Between August and September of 1958, the US Navy exploded three fission type nuclear bombs 480 km above the South Atlantic Ocean, in the part of the lower Van Allen Belt closest to the earth's surface. In addition, two hydrogen bombs were detonated 160 km over Johnston Island in the Pacific. The military called this "the biggest scientific experiment ever undertaken." It was designed by the US Department of Defense and the US Atomic Energy Commission, under the code name Project Argus. The purpose appears to be to assess the impact of high altitude nuclear explosions on radio transmission and radar operations because of the electromagnetic pulse (EMP), and to increase understanding of the geomagnetic field and the behavior of the charged particles in it. This gigantic experiment created new (inner) magnetic radiation belts encompassing almost the whole earth, and injected sufficient electrons and other energetic particles into the ionosphere to cause world wide effects. The electrons traveled back and forth along magnetic force lines, causing an artificial "aurora" when striking the atmosphere near the North Pole. This was reported only much later, on August 13-20th of 1961 in Keesings Historisch Archief (K.H.A.). The report said that the US Military planned to create a "telecommunications shield in the ionosphere at 3,000 km height, by bringing into orbit 350,000 million copper needles, each 2-4 cm long [total weight 16 kg], forming a belt 10 km thick and 40 km wide, the needles spaced about 100 m apart." This was designed to replace the ionosphere "because telecommunications are impaired by magnetic storms and solar flares." The US planned to add to the number of copper needles if the experiment proved to be successful. This plan was strongly opposed by the International Union of Astronomers." Then:
On July 9th, 1962, the US began a further series of experiments with the ionosphere. From their description: "one kiloton device, at a height of 60 km and one megaton and one multi-megaton, at several hundred kilometers height". (K.H.A., 29 June 1962).

These tests seriously disturbed the lower Van Allen Belt, substantially altering its shape and intensity. "In this experiment the inner Van Allen Belt will be practically destroyed for a period of time; particles from the Belt will be transported to the atmosphere. It is anticipated that the earth's magnetic field will be disturbed over long distances for several hours, preventing radio communication. The explosion in the inner radiation belt will create an artificial dome of polar light that will be visible from Los Angeles". (K.H.A. 11 May 1962).

This was the experiment which called forth the strong protest of the Queen's Astronomer, Sir Martin Ryle in the UK. On the 19th of July... NASA announced that as a consequence of the high altitude nuclear test of July 9th, a new radiation belt had been formed, stretching from a height of about 400 km to 1600 km; it can be seen as a temporary extension of the lower Van Allen Belt" (K.H.A. 5 August 1962).

"... Starfish made a much wider belt [than Project Argus] that extends from low altitude out past L=3 [i.e. three earth radiuses or about 13,000 km above the surface of the earth]."Later in 1962, the USSR undertook similar planetary experiments, creating three new radiation belts between 7,000 and 13,000 km above the earth. According to the Encyclopedia, the electron fluxes in the lower Van Allen Belt have changed markedly since the 1962 high-altitude nuclear explosions by the US and USSR, never returning to their former state. According to American scientists, it could take many hundreds of years for the Van Allen Belts to destabilize at their normal levels." Keep in mind now that, while they are out there blowing up our atmosphere, they want to blame Global Warming on the masses of regular people!

My backyard overlooks the Pyrenees, the crossroads for air traffic between Europe and Africa, South America and Spain, Northern Europe, England, Scandinavia, and Southern Europe and Africa. It's a very busy place. I sit at my desk beside a window that overlooks this sky and I look out this window many times per day and notice the sky in all humors. The following photographs I took from my backyard are of CONTRAILS made by high volume air traffic that, on some days, leaves lingering trails due to the conditions in the stratosphere. Those conditions can be correlated with conditions in the troposphere as well as the weather before, during and after the days when these trails form and linger so long. If I [were] a hysterical, brainwashed nutjob, I would think I was being poisoned. But I know what they are, I have observed them for hours and days on end and have a memory of similar phenomena on a much smaller scale - and much less frequent because the planetary conditions were different - when I was growing up. Believe me, they are CONTRAILS...


http://www.sott.net/image/s2/53045/large/168988_496945344678_762784678_.jpg (http://www.sott.net/image/s2/53045/full/168988_496945344678_762784678_.jpg)
© Laura Knight-Jadczyk, Changes in the atmospheric conditions have led to skies more and more busy in recent times.



http://www.sott.net/image/s2/53047/large/167600_496945554678_762784678_.jpg (http://www.sott.net/image/s2/53047/full/167600_496945554678_762784678_.jpg)
© Laura Knight-Jadczyk



http://www.sott.net/image/s2/53050/large/165592_496946464678_762784678_.jpg (http://www.sott.net/image/s2/53050/full/165592_496946464678_762784678_.jpg)
© Laura Knight-Jadczyk CONTRAIL not "chemtrail"!


During the 1980's, rocket launches globally numbered about 500 to 600 a year, peaking at 1500 in 1989. There were many more during the Gulf War. The Shuttle is the largest of the solid fuel rockets, with twin 45 meter boosters. All solid fuel rockets release large amounts of hydrochloric acid in their exhaust, each Shuttle flight injecting about 75 tons of ozone destroying chlorine into the stratosphere. Those launched since 1992 inject even more ozone-destroying chlorine, about 187 tons, into the stratosphere (which contains the ozone layer).

I'm reading a paper about cometary impacts which has some information that bears on our topic and I think we can trust it since it is not being produced in a program to disinform relative to so-called chemtrails.

The first thing of interest is the main historically known large body which impacted the Earth: the Tunguska object. What is important to us in relation to chemtrails is that this object exploded in the atmosphere in June 1908 and for many nights afterward the sky was unusually luminous over Europe and western Asia, allowing people to read newspapers at night.

When scientists finally made it to the remote site in 1927, no visible fragments of the exploded body were found. Later field work uncovered peculiar black, shiny, metallic spheres in the soil of numerous small, shallow, oval craters - 50 to 200 meters diameter - similar to the craters of the Carolina Bays. These spheres were typical of extraterrestrial bodies having a composition very high in iridium, nickel, cobalt and other metals.


http://www.sott.net/image/s2/53037/medium/craters_01.jpg (http://www.sott.net/image/s2/53037/full/craters_01.jpg)
© Unknown, Trees flatten outwards in a central location of remote Siberia above which the cometary fragment exploded on the upper atmosphere in 1908


Now, here is where the connection comes in: An unusually high content of these same metals were later found in Antarctic ice cores, but in the layer relating to the year 1912.

That is to say, it took four years for the stuff deposited in the stratosphere to precipitate onto Earth.

From the Antarctic data, global fallout of 7 million tons was estimated for the Tunguska body which means that it's diameter would have been about 160 meters.

The dust from such objects exploded in the stratosphere diffuses over the globe and it usually takes a period of about three to six months for this to happen. The time that it takes for anything in the stratosphere to get to the ground is about 3 years (or more) and that is "independent of the initial amount of dust {or whatever}." Also, there are so many atmospheric variables that it cannot be determined where the stuff will go.

That is, materials injected into the stratosphere do NOT precipitate onto the ground under which it is "laid" (as in so-called chemtrails) except, perhaps, almost accidentally, and much, much later.

Again, this has no bearing on spraying that takes place at much lower altitudes, as in the troposphere, but clearly, what is going on in the stratosphere is NOT "chemtrails."

I think that I have presented more than sufficient food for thought on the topic of so-called "chemtrails" to suggest that, yes, there is something really wicked going on, but it ain't what you think. In fact, it's worse. YES, something is VERY wrong in our skies - but it is not chemtrails. The CONTRAILS themselves have changed and THAT is a huge warning about our atmosphere and our climate and the implications are a lot scarier than if some nutjobs in the Pentagon were just trying to poison us. Heck, we could survive that. Most of life on earth will NOT survive what these contrails portend!

[Nick Matkin]

Excellent article Amzer Zo. Thanks. I did consider posting a similar no-nonsense link on the subject. There are so many well thought out, clearly explaining all the myths and misconceptions, in easy words anyone can understand. Unfortunately all that happens is they get rebutted by some pseudo-scientific mumbo-jumbo site posted by someone who doesn't know it's mumbo-jumbo, but does re-enforce their beliefs.

The quote "If I were a hysterical, brainwashed nutjob, I would think I was being poisoned" sort of says it all...

Nick

[Sidney]

Nick, I understand your own right to an opinion, but the nutjob remark I WAY OUT OF LINE.

[Nick Matkin]

Nick, I understand your own right to an opinion, but the nutjob remark I WAY OUT OF LINE.

It was simply a quote from the above article, written by Laura Knight-Jadczyk and aimed in her opinion, at the chemtrail conspiracy theorists. I will state now that I did not intend to aim it at anyone specifically contributing to this thread. I am happy to apologize if you think it was indented, unnecessary, crude jibe.

Nevertheless, there are points in the article and my posting which need countering if the facts are demonstrably incorrect.

Nick

[Daphne]

2731527316

Done with you nick. So here are 2 more photos of 2 suns in the sky. Notice the blue hues to the left of the small sun, and the orange hues to the right and our sun.

[Daphne]

Nick, I understand your own right to an opinion, but the nutjob remark I WAY OUT OF LINE.

It was simply a quote from the above article, written by Laura Knight-Jadczyk and aimed in her opinion, at the chemtrail conspiracy theorists. I will state now that I did not intend to aim it at anyone specifically contributing to this thread. I am happy to apologize if you think it was indented, unnecessary, crude jibe.

Nevertheless, there are points in the article and my posting which need countering if the facts are demonstrably incorrect.

Nick


You are a real hostile individual and I feel quite attacked

[Daphne]

273192731727318

These all in a row show the clouds moving and obscuring the second sun.

Nick has still refused to take a photo and I find these anomalies every day.

[Daphne]

27320Just in case you tell the blue are storm clouds, here is a darkened exposure of one shot. Pretty bright blue. Where did it come from? Is this normal?

Please make sure to open the picture to see it large, so much better that way.

[Nick Matkin]

Daphne, I see clouds obscuring the sun in your photos. Where are these anomalies? I can take a photos of clouds obscuring the sun, but they'd look like yours.

Please submit you photos to other forums for their impartial analysis as already suggested.

Anyway, I trust you took the time to read an explanation in post #72 which I found for your dashed 'chemtrails' which you rather angrily accused me of not addressing. It looks a perfectly plausible explanation to me.

Nick

[Sidney]

Pretty impressive pictures. Pretty undeniable IMO.

[Daphne]

Thanks Sidney. The colors and the division are incredible. People who say they cannot see anything amiss with these pictures are either blind, afraid, are programmed sheep, or perhaps they have an agenda to discredit people who are talking about Px. I imagine that the majority of people (in non indigenous cultures who are closer to the rhythms of the earth,) would panic if they saw a second sun in the sky. So chemtrails are used to hide the inevitable crossing of the planetary system. But it's pretty close now and they have to work extra hard to hide it with more chembombs to prevent disclosure.

One small matter for those reading this board. I have officially blocked Nick Matkin due to my extremely strong feeling that he is a troll. He has called me a nut job which sickens me here at Avalon where I felt safe to share. Blocking Nick allows me to focus on what I want to share here. Thanks, and let the hostilities cease again.

[Nick Matkin]

So... one can't consider the data as presented, take a contrary position, do a bit of research to back up that opinion without being considered a "troll".

That's not really in the spirit of PA.

And if Daphne chooses to be offended by a remark which wasn't aimed at anyone in particular which I - perhaps unwisely - repeated from a quoted article, then that can't be helped. I have already apologised. But to those looking on, it appears that Daphne - when confronted with some decisive facts - has simply used it as an excuse to retreat, rather than engaging with adult, robust argument. (Nevertheless, this thread will remain for members and non-members to read and evaluate all responses and attitudes.)

Daphne's attitude appears to be over-sensitive and unproductive.

Nick

[Daphne]

27325

so this one is quite dramatic. I know there may be flares, but look at the colors! does our sun really do that? Just heard roofers are dying in larger numbers due to the very high UV light. Look up outside. Take your camera and click away. crop and adjust exposure and be amazed!

[Daphne]

another beautiful picture. I have never seen colors like these in the sky. have you? no edit except crop

[Sidney]

What is odd to me is the shape of the sun. The colors are mainly (in my untrained opinion) from the sky being saturated with barium and aluminum. I have found with polarized sunglasses you can see the colors much better than naked eye. Camera lenses get the same effect. Even with no apparent chemtrail in the area, the chemical layer lasts for many hours. The sunlight acts visually, like when u see an oil slick in water, you get that rainbow film effect.

The blue area at 7 o'clock, did you see that with the named eye?
It ki d of looks like a lens flare, but you should do some color manipulations, contrast etc and see what else you might see. I am not at all an expert and the photographic analysis. Maybe someone who is good at that type of this thing, who is not a trained debunker of course, could dissect the pictures..

[Daphne]

What is odd to me is the shape of the sun. The colors are mainly (in my untrained opinion) from the sky being saturated with barium and aluminum. I have found with polarized sunglasses you can see the colors much better than naked eye. Camera lenses get the same effect. Even with no apparent chemtrail in the area, the chemical layer lasts for many hours. The sunlight acts visually, like when u see an oil slick in water, you get that rainbow film effect.

The blue area at 7 o'clock, did you see that with the named eye?

It ki d of looks like a lens flare, but you should do some color manipulations, contrast etc and see what else you might see. I am not at all an expert and the photographic analysis. Maybe someone who is good at that type of this thing, who is not a trained debunker of course, could dissect the pictures..

there are many other times when the sun doesn't look anything close to this. I think it's cause during the day the blue star moves behind the sun from time to time. I happened to catch it by accident. But i will do some more editing of the photo to see what else comes out. And no, you can't see anything near the sun directly at that time of day. Way too bright. also, i see something dark pink/maroon at 2:00 hidden in the cloud, and at 11:00 darkish brown orb hanging down from the cloud.

[Daphne]

27328
another pretty picture. find what you will.
I wonder why the clouds are multicolored.
and all the fractal like shapes the clouds are making swirls and curls.
and notice the blue object partially covered by the clouds. Certainly NOT lens flare.

[Sidney]

What is odd to me is the shape of the sun. The colors are mainly (in my untrained opinion) from the sky being saturated with barium and aluminum. I have found with polarized sunglasses you can see the colors much better than naked eye. Camera lenses get the same effect. Even with no apparent chemtrail in the area, the chemical layer lasts for many hours. The sunlight acts visually, like when u see an oil slick in water, you get that rainbow film effect.

The blue area at 7 o'clock, did you see that with the named eye?

It ki d of looks like a lens flare, but you should do some color manipulations, contrast etc and see what else you might see. I am not at all an expert and the photographic analysis. Maybe someone who is good at that type of this thing, who is not a trained debunker of course, could dissect the pictures..

there are many other times when the sun doesn't look anything close to this. I think it's cause during the day the blue star moves behind the sun from time to time. I happened to catch it by accident. But i will do some more editing of the photo to see what else comes out. And no, you can't see anything near the sun directly at that time of day. Way too bright. also, i see something dark pink/maroon at 2:00 hidden in the cloud, and at 11:00 darkish brown orb hanging down from the cloud.

I'm sorry, it is very limited viewing from using my phones four inch screen.
And apologies for all the spelling, stupid word correct drives me crazy.

Hopefully internet problems at this house will get resolved soon.

[Daphne]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMUXdokI2qQ

I have been told that this video I shot today in y yard is the Wormwood Galaxy. I am officially scared.

[Sidney]

I can't see anything but clouds. and sun. Using phone of course. :( but I did notice some odd random flashes of light.
For what. Its worth, my house got buzzed by a very low flying helicopter tonight. After dark, and shined their spot light right at my house. Are we getting some attention. Focused on this subject?

[ThePythonicCow]

Nick, I understand your own right to an opinion, but the nutjob remark I WAY OUT OF LINE.

You are a real hostile individual and I feel quite attacked

Daphne's attitude appears to be over-sensitive and unproductive.
I received a suggestion to take a look at this thread.

So far as I can tell, there is nothing useful that I can do here. I wish there was ... we've lost some good members from this forum, on both "sides" of this split over what constitutes good evidence.

If this were a purely technical forum and if I owned it, then I'd likely take a stronger hand in imposing my particular view of what is good evidence.

But this is a more open forum, making home to members with a variety of perspectives and criteria by which they filter what's worth considering and what is not.

So I have been coming to the conclusion that the responsibility falls individually on each of us, to make our personal choices on what matters and on what is worth considering. Sometimes I present different views on topics where I disagree substantially, but I don't expect to be persuasive.

We each have a sovereign right to be, in the view of some others, delusional on some matters, and I am sure that I, myself, personally, have exercised that right more than once :).

===

On the matter at hand, I would suggest to Daphne that what shows up in a camera image is subject to a variety of strange optical effects, and doesn't necessarily provide a good representation of "what is out there." I remained as certain after viewing her images as I was before that there are not two visible suns in our sky.

[Sidney]

This is about name calling. Period.it is child-like behavior. And far below Avalon standards to imply (whether its a quote from an article or not), that someone is a "nutcase" for thinking anyone would poison us. That is a DIRECT INSULT.
And IMHO should be removed.
I'm going g to go have a glass of fluoride now. Lol

[Sidney]

Nick, I understand your own right to an opinion, but the nutjob remark I WAY OUT OF LINE.

You are a real hostile individual and I feel quite attacked

Daphne's attitude appears to be over-sensitive and unproductive.
I received a suggestion to take a look at this thread.

So far as I can tell, there is nothing useful that I can do here. I wish there was ... we've lost some good members from this forum, on both "sides" of this split over what constitutes good evidence.

If this were a purely technical forum and if I owned it, then I'd likely take a stronger hand in imposing my particular view of what is good evidence.

But this is a more open forum, making home to members with a variety of perspectives and criteria by which they filter what's worth considering and what is not.

So I have been coming to the conclusion that the responsibility falls individually on each of us, to make our personal choices on what matters and on what is worth considering. Sometimes I present different views on topics where I disagree substantially, but I don't expect to be persuasive.

We each have a sovereign right to be, in the view of some others, delusional on some matters, and I am sure that I, myself, personally, have exercised that right more than once :).

===

On the matter at hand, I would suggest to Daphne that what shows up in a camera image is subject to a variety of strange optical effects, and doesn't necessarily provide a good representation of "what is out there." I remained as certain after viewing her images as I was before that there are not two visible suns in our sky.

Quoted from nicks post.

The quote "If I were a hysterical, brainwashed nutjob, I would think I was being poisoned" sort of says it all...

Paul, are you saying this is OK and goes along the spirit of avalon.?
Ya can't come out and call someone a troll, but nut case is OK?
I just want to be clear, the rules before I proceed with what I would like to say to nick next time he trolls a thread.
And love the delusional dig by the way. That helps.

[Sidney]

Anyone who truly thinks that there are no chemtrails has their head in the sand, or is just brainwashed, or of course is a troll.
And anyone that doubts something is being covered up with the chemtrails should listen to James Bartley's latest interview, in part two ha talk in depth about the incoming object(s). I know that some people around here hold a very high regard for James Bartley . so I guess he too is delusional. He will appreciate that. Again, all this is controversial. Do we really need to openly and publicly hurt feelings, by name calling? And Paul, I am really disappointed that you would stoop so low.

[Daphne]

I will not try to defend my sanity here. Paul, your comments are diplomatic mostly, but as Sidney said, is it really more okay to refer to me as a nut job an for me to say that I feel like someone is a troll? I am fully aware that I could be wrong, but I am not going to be told that I'm a nut job, and I dealt with it by blocking him so he cannot piss me off anymore. Seems like a smart thing to do. His comments from the get go were condescending and pedantic. I am not basing this on science - clearly. Science doesn't know everything either. So I'm more than done with talking about this and will go back to my pictures.

[Sidney]

I feel that the topics discussed on Avalon are very controversial.
Simon parks is one third reptilian,one third mantis, and one third human, and holds a very high profile public profession.
If someone called him nutcase or delusional, I feel the mods would be very quick to defend the respect of the forum.

Chemtrails and planet x, no more controversial than admitting openly of being an alien, a political one at that.

I personally don't see in Daphne's video, what she says is there. But I know what I saw months ago, when I saw the sunset due north. I know where the sun is suppose to set, and I know what I saw, and it was not suppose to be there. That experience will never leave my memory. Does it sound crazy? Yep. But if someone on avalon called me nutjob or delusional because I shared what I saw, I would certainly think twice about sharing anything else that would be considered paranormal, or controversial. If you cannot safely share on Avalon, then it is a sad day.

[ThePythonicCow]

Quoted from nicks post.

The quote "If I were a hysterical, brainwashed nutjob, I would think I was being poisoned" sort of says it all...

Paul, are you saying this is OK and goes along the spirit of avalon.?
Ya can't come out and call someone a troll, but nut case is OK?
I just want to be clear, the rules before I proceed with what I would like to say to nick next time he trolls a thread.
And love the delusional dig by the way. That helps.

I accept Nicks statement, which is consistent with the actual wording of the quotation that he posted, that he was not intending to comment on anyone in particular on this forum, unlike your replies, such as this one, which do comment, directly and negatively, on Nick.

In other words, Nick didn't call you a nutjob, but you did call him a troll :).

Nick's words were ambiguous as to who was saying what of whom ... regrettable, in his view (from what he wrote later, above) and mine.

But I still do not think that the flair up on this thread is really about who said what about whom here. I still think that the real issue here is the issue I focused on in my original reply above, which is a substantial disagreement over what constitutes worthwhile evidence, analysis and experience. That's a matter that, in my view, is of more serious concern to the health of this forum.

[Sidney]

Quoted from nicks post.

The quote "If I were a hysterical, brainwashed nutjob, I would think I was being poisoned" sort of says it all...

Paul, are you saying this is OK and goes along the spirit of avalon.?
Ya can't come out and call someone a troll, but nut case is OK?
I just want to be clear, the rules before I proceed with what I would like to say to nick next time he trolls a thread.
And love the delusional dig by the way. That helps.

I accept Nicks statement, which is consistent with the actual wording of the quotation that he posted, that he was not intending to comment on anyone in particular on this forum, unlike your replies, such as this one, which do comment, directly and negatively, on Nick.

In other words, Nick didn't call you a nutjob, but you did call him a troll :).

Nick's words were ambiguous as to who was saying what of whom ... regrettable, in his view (from what he wrote later, above) and mine.

But I still do not think that the flair up on this thread is really about who said what about whom here. I still think that the real issue here is the issue I focused on in my original reply above, which is a substantial disagreement over what constitutes worthwhile evidence, analysis and experience. That's a matter that, in my view, is of more serious concern to the health of this forum.

That is a fair explanation. For the record though, I kind of felt that nick was aiming the nutjob personally at myself, and to daphne and . Towards anyone that had the belief that we are being poisoned by chemtrails, which there are many who think that. I feel that re quoting the quote I. Question from the article, was meant to be a direct insult, otherwise what is the point of posting it again.

As for the evidence shown on the subject matter, as I said before I really can't make any judgement on Daphne's video, because of the limitations of a four inch screen. I base my opinions on my own experience of witnessing some alarming things in our sky, hence my participation on this thread, and my support of what Daphne is trying to communicate, regardless of how delusional it may seem.

But, I respectfully agree to disagree with you about Nicks motives. We are all entitled to an opinion.

Side note,,, words can be hurtful, even if the motives behind them are not.
Everyone here, I hope will consider this, myself included. Apologies if I have over reacted and/or wasted anyone's time.
Peace

[Daphne]

Quoted from nicks post.

The quote "If I were a hysterical, brainwashed nutjob, I would think I was being poisoned" sort of says it all...

Paul, are you saying this is OK and goes along the spirit of avalon.?
Ya can't come out and call someone a troll, but nut case is OK?
I just want to be clear, the rules before I proceed with what I would like to say to nick next time he trolls a thread.
And love the delusional dig by the way. That helps.

I accept Nicks statement, which is consistent with the actual wording of the quotation that he posted, that he was not intending to comment on anyone in particular on this forum, unlike your replies, such as this one, which do comment, directly and negatively, on Nick.

In other words, Nick didn't call you a nutjob, but you did call him a troll :).

Nick's words were ambiguous as to who was saying what of whom ... regrettable, in his view (from what he wrote later, above) and mine.

But I still do not think that the flair up on this thread is really about who said what about whom here. I still think that the real issue here is the issue I focused on in my original reply above, which is a substantial disagreement over what constitutes worthwhile evidence, analysis and experience. That's a matter that, in my view, is of more serious concern to the health of this forum.

That is a fair explanation. For the record though, I kind of felt that nick was aiming the nutjob personally at myself, and to daphne and . Towards anyone that had the belief that we are being poisoned by chemtrails, which there are many who think that. I feel that re quoting the quote I. Question from the article, was meant to be a direct insult, otherwise what is the point of posting it again.

As for the evidence shown on the subject matter, as I said before I really can't make any judgement on Daphne's video, because of the limitations of a four inch screen. I base my opinions on my own experience of witnessing some alarming things in our sky, hence my participation on this thread, and my support of what Daphne is trying to communicate, regardless of how delusional it may seem.

But, I respectfully agree to disagree with you about Nicks motives. We are all entitled to an opinion.

Side note,,, words can be hurtful, even if the motives behind them are not.
Everyone here, I hope will consider this, myself included. Apologies if I have over reacted and/or wasted anyone's time.
Peace
Totally agree. It felt deliberate in an insidious way.

[naste.de.lumina]

2lrlbmg_J50

[jerry]

I think that I have presented more than sufficient food for thought on the topic of so-called "chemtrails" to suggest that, yes, there is something really wicked going on, but it ain't what you think. In fact, it's worse. YES, something is VERY wrong in our skies - but it is not chemtrails. The CONTRAILS themselves have changed and THAT is a huge warning about our atmosphere and our climate and the implications are a lot scarier than if some nutjobs in the Pentagon were just trying to poison us. Heck, we could survive that. Most of life on earth will NOT survive what these contrails portend!
take a peak at some of Dane Wigingtons work and share your thoughts
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsYG5emdZp8&feature=player_embedded

[Sidney]

I think that I have presented more than sufficient food for thought on the topic of so-called "chemtrails" to suggest that, yes, there is something really wicked going on, but it ain't what you think. In fact, it's worse. YES, something is VERY wrong in our skies - but it is not chemtrails. The CONTRAILS themselves have changed and THAT is a huge warning about our atmosphere and our climate and the implications are a lot scarier than if some nutjobs in the Pentagon were just trying to poison us. Heck, we could survive that. Most of life on earth will NOT survive what these contrails portend!
take a peak at some of Dane Wigingtons work and share your thoughts
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsYG5emdZp8&feature=player_embedded

I love Dane Wigingtons videos. He is extremely thorough in his presentations, and makes clear the undeniable evidence that geoengineeri g and chemtrails pose a horrendous problem for our planet, and all of life on it.

[Sidney]

2lrlbmg_J50
Thank you for posting this. I had not seen it. Authentic scientists telling it in a non conspiratorial way. I wonder what they named it, they have had plenty of time. :)

[jerry]

Sorry MorningFox but there is no scientific proof of chemtrails that I know of. If you can find one (and I mean scientific proof, not pseudo-scientific), I'll be happy to have a look at it and maybe change my mind but all I've seen so far is ignorance and fear mongering.please take a peak OsYG5emdZp8 and y1xd0XMDaQEthis guys work is the best evidence I've found and I buy it HOOK LINE AND SINKER and PS no pseudo here

[Fairy Friend]

2lrlbmg_J50
Thank you for posting this. I had not seen it. Authentic scientists telling it in a non conspiratorial way. I wonder what they named it, they have had plenty of time. :)
I do not understand any of these conspiracy theories or theories concerning planets or planetoids wreaking destruction. But I do have an answer to your question published in March 2014 in the New York Times.

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/03/27/science/space/a-new-planetoid-reported-in-far-reaches-of-solar-system.html?_r=1&referrer=

Dr. Brown in California discovered Sedna in 1998 which is 600 miles long and has an orbit 8.4 billion miles away from the Sun past the Icy Kuiper belt.

In 2000 he discovered Eris which is a ball of ice, slightly larger than Pluto just beyond the Kuiper belt.

In 2012 Dr. Sheppard and Dr. Chadwicks in Hawaii discovered another planetoid called 2012 VP113 also called VP for short and nicknamed Biden. It is 250 miles wide and has a very elliptical orbit taking it 7.7 billion miles to 42 billion miles from the Sun.

These are no danger to us at all. Neptune is 2.8 billion miles from the Sun. They are no danger to us and too small to see.

Because of perturbations in the orbits of these two planetoids, it is still theorized that there is a planet/planetoid out there 5 times larger than Earth and possibly 23 billion miles away, much closer to the Oort cloud. It is to dim to see even with a 13 foot telescope. We have to build either bigger more powerful telescopes or send out probes and hope we get lucky. Even if we have an idea where it is, it is so far out there and so dim it is just too hard to see.

Usually, the discoverer gets to name it and so I vote for Planet Harrington. Unless he wanted it named something else?

[Nick Matkin]

Now the dust has settled and we've all had time to reflect, may I say something for those who have not yet blocked me?

I think Paul hit the nail on the head when he stated that the real issue here was nothing to do with my un-aimed "nutjob" remark. All the brouhaha that it has attracted looks like a distraction which in Paul's penetrating analysis identifies as caused by the "substantial disagreement over what constitutes worthwhile evidence, analysis and experience". I see a serious disconnect between Daphne and Sidney's approach and mine, but I'm sure we can all live with that. There is little or no common ground between us - almost as if we are speaking different languages, or have come from different planets. I find this aspect of Project Avalon both puzzling and fascinating.

It's my opinion that reported phenomena need to be confirmed by others, then a theory constructed as to the cause, and this theory tested. It's called the Scientific Method and probably the belief or otherwise in it is the main cause of the friction in this thread.

OK, one can't test a theory about a second sun or Planet X, but we can all look up into the sky - millions of us - and see if it's there or not. It's also very easy to look for evidence of a change in the Earth's obit or axis; such changes will have a global effect. These things cannot be covered up with chemtrails. (BTW, science may not know everything and has lead mankind down some ghastly paths, but I wouldn't dismiss it too quickly. After all, the Scientific Method has enabled us to argue here, now, across continents, not to freeze to death in winter and most of us in the developed world will live into our 80s.)

Likewise, if I imply for example "show me the factories and staff making all the chemtrail stuff", it needs some sort of reasoned response of intellectual rigour, not just "OMG, I can't believe...". Being called a troll for proposing such direct questions doesn't add to debate either.

I've never understood the reluctance of having an observation or theory independently assessed. It's almost as though the proponents suspect serious scrutiny will cause it to vanish - which it sometimes does. The argument seems to be that any assessors will be infiltrated by The Illuminati, NWO, Freemasons, or similar. That's why I suggest examination of evidence be done by serious amateur groups, which are legion in every field.

As to my being called “pedantic” by Daphne, well it's my pedantry which leads to my insistence upon accuracy, which is by most people considered a desirable quality. And my “agenda” as Daphne calls it is simply is to get some clarity from these claims.

Another, wider aspect to consider, is that some forum members get disheartened when reading some really wacky ideas (the Moon is a hologram or Comet Ison is piloted by ETs etc.). Although such discussions may be interesting on a philosophical level, they can also give casual non-members who are browsing the forum the wrong impression.

On a recent "Maybe the Earth is flat" thread, one irritated member posted: "It is embarrassing to have this on Avalon." To which Bill Ryan replied: "Yes it is". We understand that the whole point of PA is to have members from a very broad church, but sometimes does it not go a bit too far without evidence? Not wishing to put words into Paul's mouth, but is this what he meant when he said: “That's a matter that, in my view, is of more serious concern to the health of this forum.”?

Is it any wonder we get fed lies from the MSM, politicians, etc. if so many many people don't even have the most basic concept of Critical Thinking? Some of us are just easy prey.

So why am I here on PA if I'm such a hard-nosed sceptic (or even debunker - a person who attempts to expose or discredit claims believed to be false, exaggerated or pretentious)? I'm here because it is a community of mostly deep thinkers who question the accepted paradigms. Presence on this forum broadens the mind, exposes me to challenging concepts and ideas I would have trouble finding elsewhere, and we are are all here to learn.

However, following this débâcles, one thought I shall now bear in mind is something Sidney said: "Words can be hurtful, even if the motives behind them are not." So I must spend more time considering how my words could be interpreted before typing.

Nick

PS: To quote Ricky Gervais: "Beliefs don't change facts. Facts, if you're reasonable, should change your beliefs."

[Atlas]

Sorry MorningFox but there is no scientific proof of chemtrails that I know of. If you can find one (and I mean scientific proof, not pseudo-scientific), I'll be happy to have a look at it and maybe change my mind but all I've seen so far is ignorance and fear mongering.please take a peak [...] this guys work is the best evidence I've found and I buy it HOOK LINE AND SINKER and PS no pseudo here

You're right, it's not pseudo-science, it's not science at all ! ;)

Dane Wigington is simply wrong (see here (https://www.metabunk.org/threads/debunked-dane-wigingtons-10-bullet-points-regarding-geoengineering.615/)) and geoengineeringwatch.org is total BS in my opinion. You'll have to try again...

[Daphne]

Yesterday I was puttering around during the sunset- which is blocked by trees from my house- when looked out the kitchen window at the barn and wondered if the sunlight reflected would reveal anything. Well here you go. Unmistakable. 2 suns setting. I have several shots. Some taken from inside with a screen in between, and some outside. The outside shots are even more interesting as they show 2 other objects I think.

[sheme]

The obvious response to Mr Wigingtons powerful video presentation -why this is happening ? would seem to be the Martianization of Earth to depopulate the Earths surface so that the maggots can live off and in her insides. Those that create Hell on Earth will be living in their own corruption for many life times to come.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsYG5emdZp8&feature=player_embedded

[Daphne]

in these pictures unlike the other one are taken outside instead of behind a screen.
you can clearly see the progression of the sun and 1 or 2 additional objects.

in the one with 2 suns and one object (3) you can see how as the bottom sun is going down that the 4th yet unseen object is emerging (so to speak) from the top of the bottom sun.

[Atlas]

Geoengineering Watch DEBUNKED!

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[Sidney]

Sorry MorningFox but there is no scientific proof of chemtrails that I know of. If you can find one (and I mean scientific proof, not pseudo-scientific), I'll be happy to have a look at it and maybe change my mind but all I've seen so far is ignorance and fear mongering.please take a peak OsYG5emdZp8 and y1xd0XMDaQEthis guys work is the best evidence I've found and I buy it HOOK LINE AND SINKER and PS no pseudo here

:bump: :bump:

[Sidney]

One should be very much paying attention as to why someone e needs to work so hard to argue a point. Could it be they are just very passionate about proving someone wrong? Such passion should certainly raise a few eyebrows.

[Atlas]

"Its mistakes are buried, not headlined. Its dissenters are silenced, not praised. It is the "Chemtrail Movement"

https://www.metabunk.org/sk/Climate_Engineering_Weather_Warfare_and_the_Collapse_of_Civ.mp4_20140204_093757.jpg

Dane Wigington - Inaccuracies and Omissions (https://www.metabunk.org/threads/dane-wigington-inaccuracies-and-omissions.2429/)

[Nick Matkin]

Good work buares, but I fear you've wasted your efforts. People just WANT to believe this stuff. They'll say the any evidence to the contrary is obvious planted disinformation.

If you want a laugh, have a look at the HAARP Status Network. (http://www.haarpstatusnetwork.com/2014/05/01/red-alert-haarp-status-map-bullseyes-california-on-high-levels-detected/)

Nice coloured maps, and some technical-looking scale from M1 to M10. No units, no explanation of what it's measuring, no indication of whether it's a logarithmic or linear scale. Then on the next page there's a load of rubbish about US, Europe and Australian 'Longwave Readings'.

The guy behind it hasn't kept it full of 'data' recently, but apparently it'll be back on 15 October. The guy is just taking the **ss, knowing the gullible will just take it all in as 'evidence' of another conspiracy. Scary that there are enough people sufficiently gullible to make it worth his bother.

There's an interesting Skeptoid podcast (with a transcript) here (http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4264) about why the human mind constructs conspiracy theories (some other of his other podcast discuss those that may be true). But he's clearly a paid shill and disinformation agent. ;)

Nick

[Atlas]

obvious planted disinformation

Agreed. Lies and fabrications... are they retarded or what ? (not pointing at anyone on this forum but asking about the general pro-chemtrail public) if not, what's their agenda ?

[Nick Matkin]

One should be very much paying attention as to why someone e needs to work so hard to argue a point. Could it be they are just very passionate about proving someone wrong? Such passion should certainly raise a few eyebrows.


Please pay attention:

What's wrong with us applying logic - with passion - to reveal the truth? It works both ways you know.

Nick

[Daphne]

in these pictures unlike the other one are taken outside instead of behind a screen.
you can clearly see the progression of the sun and 1 or 2 additional objects.

in the one with 2 suns and one object (3) you can see how as the bottom sun is going down that the 4th yet unseen object is emerging (so to speak) from the top of the bottom sun.

Thought this thread was about Planet X and not chemtrails. How could anyone deny these pictures?

[Atlas]

2 suns

Sorry, my belief is that there is only 1 sun in our solar system and this is the sun I see everyday. I don't deny the pictures, the pictures are what they are but I deny the 2 suns, because there is only one. I don't care if one believe there are 5 or 6 suns, it's his right to believe that, anyone can believe there are as many suns as they want. Personally, I believe there is only one sun and I'm happy this way.

Edit: maybe some people with binocular diplopia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diplopia) (double vision) can see 2 suns and from their point of view, it's absolutely normal...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/53/Diplopia.jpg/230px-Diplopia.jpg

[MorningFox]

Yup. I mean no offence but Daphne, please stop. Everything you posted is simply normal behaviour of the sun when photographed. Lens flares and colour refractions... standard stuff.

Your posts, and again I mean no offence, are reminiscent of people seeing Jesus in a slice of toast.

[Daphne]

obvious planted disinformation

Agreed. Lies and fabrications... are they retarded or what ? (not pointing at anyone on this forum but asking about the general pro-chemtrail public) if not, what's their agenda ?

Thanks for pointing out that you're not pointing at me. Much love.

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2 suns

Sorry, my belief is that there is only 1 sun in our solar system and this is the sun I see everyday. I don't deny the pictures, the pictures are what they are but I deny the 2 suns, because there is only one. I don't care if one believe there are 5 or 6 suns, it's his right to believe that, anyone can believe there are as many suns as they want. Personally, I believe there is only one sun and I'm happy this way.

Edit: maybe some people with binocular diplopia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diplopia) (double vision) can see 2 suns and from their point of view, it's absolutely normal...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/53/Diplopia.jpg/230px-Diplopia.jpg
It is your right to disbelieve the evidence. But I think you ought to just stop pointing out how crazy it is cause I disagree and will keep posting anything that relates to,the Planet X topic of,this thread. Much love <3

[Daphne]

I'm trying to ignore the distractions here. I'm posting these elsewhere as well. But here are 2 more. Nothing in the first but a particular repeating shape. The phot shows a blue sphere within one of the cloud rings. The thing is big and clear.

[Daphne]

Yup. I mean no offence but Daphne, please stop. Everything you posted is simply normal behaviour of the sun when photographed. Lens flares and colour refractions... standard stuff.

Your posts, and again I mean no offence, are reminiscent of people seeing Jesus in a slice of toast.
I work with people who see Jesus in a slice of toast. I am a psychotherapist educated at Smith college and U Conn. I know at my credentials don't insure that I am sane. But I seriously don't understand your plea that I stop posting about Planet X on a Planet X thread. I don't see everyone ripening over to the contactee boards and doing the same.
This is a very important topic. If You think I see Jesus in a slice of bread, good for you. But I'm not replying to any more of these attempts to insult my intelligence or sanity. Much love!

[Sidney]

in these pictures unlike the other one are taken outside instead of behind a screen.
you can clearly see the progression of the sun and 1 or 2 additional objects.

in the one with 2 suns and one object (3) you can see how as the bottom sun is going down that the 4th yet unseen object is emerging (so to speak) from the top of the bottom sun.

Thought this thread was about Planet X and not chemtrails. How could anyone deny these pictures?

My opinion is the chemtrails serve many purposes. Started out as weather manipulation, and in the process, they discovered other uses such as haarp as an energy weapon, replacing the broken atmosphere that was the result of many years of wars and nuclear testing g(haarp I'm sure did not help that either) people started getting g mysterious illnesses in epidemic proportions, such as respiratory,morgellons, Alzheimer's, which in turn fill the pockets of big pharma, and more. Martianization is one I have not heard before, but hey, these days anything is possible. And then of course, IF there is a celestial body or group of bodies hanging around and getting into our visual space, and in believe there is strong evidence of that, then the aerosol program would certainly have another convenient purpose.

I do not expect everyone to believe what I believe, but even people in my life that were major skeptics 3 years ago now see and understand the horrors that are happening in our sky.
I also feel some countries have actually outlawed this practice, or simply don't have use for it.
But I have been watching the sky for 8 years, and I am heartbroken that the sky is now WHITE most days. If I am lucky, one day a month I might get to we a partial sunset at best. You can give me every excuse. Why you think they are contrails, and you are wasting your breath.
As for the two sun phenomenon, I don't know if I can call it another sun, but there is something that I have seen with my eyes, not via any lens,camera or window, but something resembling the sun, only much smaller, that. I have witnessed for the first time, and I am a baby boomer. So yea, I have been around long enough to have a few decades of outdoor living g experience to compare it to. And it is my opinion that they utilize cloud manufacturing capabilities to hide it.
That does not mean I think its going to hit us or necessarily cause an ELE.
I know what I have seen twice so far. And if I was not incredibly chronically sick, I would be out every day collecting evidence. I simply don't have that luxury right now.. Since I do not have a computer, I truthfully can't fairly judge Daphne's photos. My phone is too small, my eyes are bad, and I cannot see anything. But I do understand what it is like to see something, that you know was there, and you also know it is an u comfortable place to be. We have many military people that came forward with stories of hundreds and thousands greys (among others) living underground on earth. Seriously, and look at simon. They can't all be lying. Why is it so easy for the "proof" police to demand scientific facts, from an establishment that has a hundred years of lies and deceit under their belt.
If Daphne saw something that warranted her getting g out her camera and trying to get evidence, well she is doing more than most of the people sitting g around d throwing judgement. Just be cause we don't see it does not mean it isn't there. That's my story and I am sticking to it. :)

PS.....Did someone steal my toast. :)

[Atlas]

[...] will keep posting anything that relates to,the Planet X topic of,this thread. Much love <3

Please do so. There are a lot of people interested in Planet X (including myself).
--------------

WISE survey finds thousands of new stars, but no 'Planet X'

After searching hundreds of millions of objects across our sky, NASA's Wide-Field Infrared Survey Explorer (WISE) has turned up no evidence of the hypothesized celestial body in our solar system commonly dubbed "Planet X."

[...] Despite the large number of new solar neighbors found by WISE, "Planet X" did not show up.

[...] Other theories based on irregular comet orbits had also postulated a Planet X-type body. The new WISE study now argues against these theories as well.

Source: http://phys.org/news/2014-03-wise-survey-thousands-stars-planet.html

[sheme]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2I7E-SxbhvA

Project Camalot interview with Bob Dean start 55 mins in- information about Planet X is shared.

[Daphne]

in these pictures unlike the other one are taken outside instead of behind a screen.
you can clearly see the progression of the sun and 1 or 2 additional objects.

in the one with 2 suns and one object (3) you can see how as the bottom sun is going down that the 4th yet unseen object is emerging (so to speak) from the top of the bottom sun.

Thought this thread was about Planet X and not chemtrails. How could anyone deny these pictures?

My opinion is the chemtrails serve many purposes. Started out as weather manipulation, and in the process, they discovered other uses such as haarp as an energy weapon, replacing the broken atmosphere that was the result of many years of wars and nuclear testing g(haarp I'm sure did not help that either) people started getting g mysterious illnesses in epidemic proportions, such as respiratory,morgellons, Alzheimer's, which in turn fill the pockets of big pharma, and more. Martianization is one I have not heard before, but hey, these days anything is possible. And then of course, IF there is a celestial body or group of bodies hanging around and getting into our visual space, and in believe there is strong evidence of that, then the aerosol program would certainly have another convenient purpose.

I do not expect everyone to believe what I believe, but even people in my life that were major skeptics 3 years ago now see and understand the horrors that are happening in our sky.
I also feel some countries have actually outlawed this practice, or simply don't have use for it.
But I have been watching the sky for 8 years, and I am heartbroken that the sky is now WHITE most days. If I am lucky, one day a month I might get to we a partial sunset at best. You can give me every excuse. Why you think they are contrails, and you are wasting your breath.
As for the two sun phenomenon, I don't know if I can call it another sun, but there is something that I have seen with my eyes, not via any lens,camera or window, but something resembling the sun, only much smaller, that. I have witnessed for the first time, and I am a baby boomer. So yea, I have been around long enough to have a few decades of outdoor living g experience to compare it to. And it is my opinion that they utilize cloud manufacturing capabilities to hide it.
That does not mean I think its going to hit us or necessarily cause an ELE.
I know what I have seen twice so far. And if I was not incredibly chronically sick, I would be out every day collecting evidence. I simply don't have that luxury right now.. Since I do not have a computer, I truthfully can't fairly judge Daphne's photos. My phone is too small, my eyes are bad, and I cannot see anything. But I do understand what it is like to see something, that you know was there, and you also know it is an u comfortable place to be. We have many military people that came forward with stories of hundreds and thousands greys (among others) living underground on earth. Seriously, and look at simon. They can't all be lying. Why is it so easy for the "proof" police to demand scientific facts, from an establishment that has a hundred years of lies and deceit under their belt.
If Daphne saw something that warranted her getting g out her camera and trying to get evidence, well she is doing more than most of the people sitting g around d throwing judgement. Just be cause we don't see it does not mean it isn't there. That's my story and I am sticking to it. :)

PS.....Did someone steal my toast. :)

Yes Sidney,
I'm hoarding all the Jesus! Mary and Joseph toast at my house! Come on over!

[Daphne]

I did some embossing so people can see the distinct 2 "sun" in the reflection.
Edited to add that you can see the sun rays going out to the side of BOTH spheres.

[Daphne]

Changed the exposure on the second sun from the video and got this wild image. Has anyone seen the sun look like this color in any image anywhere?
Much love,
The toast lady <3

[Sidney]

in these pictures unlike the other one are taken outside instead of behind a screen.
you can clearly see the progression of the sun and 1 or 2 additional objects.

in the one with 2 suns and one object (3) you can see how as the bottom sun is going down that the 4th yet unseen object is emerging (so to speak) from the top of the bottom sun.

Thought this thread was about Planet X and not chemtrails. How could anyone deny these pictures?

My opinion is the chemtrails serve many purposes. Started out as weather manipulation, and in the process, they discovered other uses such as haarp as an energy weapon, replacing the broken atmosphere that was the result of many years of wars and nuclear testing g(haarp I'm sure did not help that either) people started getting g mysterious illnesses in epidemic proportions, such as respiratory,morgellons, Alzheimer's, which in turn fill the pockets of big pharma, and more. Martianization is one I have not heard before, but hey, these days anything is possible. And then of course, IF there is a celestial body or group of bodies hanging around and getting into our visual space, and in believe there is strong evidence of that, then the aerosol program would certainly have another convenient purpose.

I do not expect everyone to believe what I believe, but even people in my life that were major skeptics 3 years ago now see and understand the horrors that are happening in our sky.
I also feel some countries have actually outlawed this practice, or simply don't have use for it.
But I have been watching the sky for 8 years, and I am heartbroken that the sky is now WHITE most days. If I am lucky, one day a month I might get to we a partial sunset at best. You can give me every excuse. Why you think they are contrails, and you are wasting your breath.
As for the two sun phenomenon, I don't know if I can call it another sun, but there is something that I have seen with my eyes, not via any lens,camera or window, but something resembling the sun, only much smaller, that. I have witnessed for the first time, and I am a baby boomer. So yea, I have been around long enough to have a few decades of outdoor living g experience to compare it to. And it is my opinion that they utilize cloud manufacturing capabilities to hide it.
That does not mean I think its going to hit us or necessarily cause an ELE.
I know what I have seen twice so far. And if I was not incredibly chronically sick, I would be out every day collecting evidence. I simply don't have that luxury right now.. Since I do not have a computer, I truthfully can't fairly judge Daphne's photos. My phone is too small, my eyes are bad, and I cannot see anything. But I do understand what it is like to see something, that you know was there, and you also know it is an u comfortable place to be. We have many military people that came forward with stories of hundreds and thousands greys (among others) living underground on earth. Seriously, and look at simon. They can't all be lying. Why is it so easy for the "proof" police to demand scientific facts, from an establishment that has a hundred years of lies and deceit under their belt.
If Daphne saw something that warranted her getting g out her camera and trying to get evidence, well she is doing more than most of the people sitting g around d throwing judgement. Just be cause we don't see it does not mean it isn't there. That's my story and I am sticking to it. :)

PS.....Did someone steal my toast. :)

Yes Sidney,
I'm hoarding all the Jesus! Mary and Joseph toast at my house! Come on over!

So, I always pay attention. To TV commercials, and the subliminal that are in them. In 07 thru current, major chemtrail sub's, but the chemtrail ones tapered off, then lots of moving lights,UFO type sub's, this yeaar they have adopted the planet cluster/ circles etc. Little circles near a big one, like a small orb next to a sun.
Just now, there is a subliminal on a commercial, not even sure for what, but it looks ALOT like your blue kachiña picture. Lots of lens flares how's er. Look like a blue orb, so I just need to say that for the record, but most of the blue dot type lens flares have kind of a winged appearance. Yours does not. I actually dug out my magnifying glass to look at your photos. (See what you all have to look forward to when you vet old,lol )
The purpose of the subliminal, for those that do not know, is to trick or condition your mind into thinking certain things are part of normal life. In other words, they have brainwashed people, so when you see mass chemtrail tic tac toe and Xs and lines, and dashes, you simply don't notice, because your brain has already seen it a hundred times. Conditioned.

So, when I saw this glowing blue "kachina" on the commercial, I thought, omg, it looks EXACTLY like Daphne's picture, and I was sitting there at the time with the silly magnifier. So, anyway, I will post it or send it to someone who can post it. Its pretty exciting really, synchronicity.
PS. Stupid word correct is messing up my spelling. I do know the English Language and how to spell. Ugghh, driving me up a wall. So sorry for all the stupid misspells

[Daphne]

about 15 minutes ago I went out and shot these 2 among others. Pretty cool that white blob sticking out of the sun. and the colorful spheres which could be lens flare, but not for sure.

[Sidney]

Changed the exposure on the second sun from the video and got this wild image. Has anyone seen the sun look like this color in any image anywhere?
Much love,
The toast lady <3

That is a stunning picture. I would be inclined to blow it up and frame it. I have no way of knowng what are lens flares and what are not. You. Need someone with some expertise to dissect it.
So the kachina I am referring to is the second pic in post 124 of this thread. It could very well be a lens flare,but it might not be. One way to tell is to take two pics one after the other. In the second, put a finger or something over the sun. So just the anomaly is showing. If its a flare, it won't be there when the sun is covered. If its still there, then there is most likely something to talk about.

[Daphne]

Changed the exposure on the second sun from the video and got this wild image. Has anyone seen the sun look like this color in any image anywhere?
Much love,
The toast lady <3

That is a stunning picture. I would be inclined to blow it up and frame it. I have no way of knowng what are lens flares and what are not. You. Need someone with some expertise to dissect it.
So the kachina I am referring to is the second pic in post 124 of this thread. It could very well be a lens flare,but it might not be. One way to tell is to take two pics one after the other. In the second, put a finger or something over the sun. So just the anomaly is showing. If its a flare, it won't be there when the sun is covered. If its still there, then there is most likely something to talk about.
Here is Sidney's subliminal picture. I want to add that not only the small blue dot of the blue kachina is a subliminal, but the clouds which form with all these dark "blob" areas along their length with V shapes are part of what I am seeing in the sky every day. Thanks for finding this Sidney, and yes in post 124 the blue kachina is hidden in the folds of the cloud.

[Sidney]

[QUOTE=Daphne;880839]Changed the exposure on the second sun from the video and got this wild image. Has anyone seen the sun look like this color in any image anywhere?
Much love,
The toast lady


I hope that someone here with some legitimate photographic expertise can offer to take a look. I am not qualified.

But, IMO, the do not just put this stuff in the commercials to be creative. That was some weird synchronicity to see that, at that time. I think it was on the cw channel, right after Mr. Ed. Yes, I was watching Mr. Ed. I'm sorry, but talking animals...... Almost ranks up there with holy toast.

[Nick Matkin]

Presumably you can't read this Daphne because you have blocked me, but just in case...

Yes, it is a stunning picture, but it's not showing anything other than lens flare.

I'm with MorningFox now. Please stop. Do we need any more pictures like this? You've also posted some of them on another thread.

Those of us you call your 'distractions', (and there maybe also others watching) have probably seen enough, until you can show us something truly unusual.

Thank you.

Nick

[Sidney]

Here is an interesting video, I had not seen before, if I can get it copied in the post correctly.
Its eight min. Long . and st around the 5:45 mark there is something that ,,,well, I don't know what to think. Could be photo shopped I guess, but its food for thought at the very least. I think it came out a year ago or so

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vik0BDEuxuo

[citsym]

Presumably you can't read this Daphne because you have blocked me, but just in case...

Yes, it is a stunning picture, but it's not showing anything other than lens flare.

I'm with MorningFox now. Please stop. Do we need any more pictures like this? You've also posted some of them on another thread.

Those of us you call your 'distractions', (and there maybe also others watching) have probably seen enough, until you can show us something truly unusual.

Thank you.

Nick

Back up sunshine! I am enjoying the post's, so please continue Daphne. If you don't want to see any more pictures, Nick, feel free to not read this thread.

Please be reminded of this "private party" the Avalon forum, where we are admonished to:
The Avalon forum:
- Is committed to the learning of all, and to creating and sustaining an environment in which everyone can express themselves freely and safely, and make nurturing and positive connections with one another.

Thanks
Alex

[Daphne]

Presumably you can't read this Daphne because you have blocked me, but just in case...

Yes, it is a stunning picture, but it's not showing anything other than lens flare.

I'm with MorningFox now. Please stop. Do we need any more pictures like this? You've also posted some of them on another thread.

Those of us you call your 'distractions', (and there maybe also others watching) have probably seen enough, until you can show us something truly unusual.

Thank you.

Nick

Back up sunshine! I am enjoying the post's, so please continue Daphne. If you don't want to see any more pictures, Nick, feel free to not read this thread.

Please be reminded of this "private party" the Avalon forum, where we are admonished to:
The Avalon forum:
- Is committed to the learning of all, and to creating and sustaining an environment in which everyone can express themselves freely and safely, and make nurturing and positive connections with one another.

Thanks
Alex
Jolly good Alex. And thank you!

[Daphne]

This picture shows the object above the sun with a magnetic connection to our sun with the second sun below that (also with the magnetic connection)

Here is a video about an object that has been spotted on the SOHO cameras periodically. SOHO claims that it is tears in its camera filter. But this photo shows a definite object over the sun. I suggest that this is what you see above the sun in the SOHO video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWf_m9AhOdQ

[Daphne]

Changed the exposure on the second sun from the video and got this wild image. Has anyone seen the sun look like this color in any image anywhere?
Much love,
The toast lady <3
Looking again at this pic (post 131), if all those round things next to the sun, particularly the one at the two o'clock position, are not lens flares, well,,,Houston, we have a problem.

I hope that someone here with some legitimate photographic expertise can offer to take a look. I am not qualified.

But, IMO, the do not just put this stuff in the commercials to be creative. That was some weird synchronicity to see that, at that time. I think it was on the cw channel, right after Mr. Ed. Yes, I was watching Mr. Ed. I'm sorry, but talking animals...... Almost ranks up there with holy toast.
My camera is amazing! And the blue spheres are very interesting. In my opinion, the top one which has a thin strip of "cloud like substance above it is really a planet moving in space close enough to see, except the glare of the sun makes it impossible, as do persistent geoengineering chemtrails. I have discovered that with the help of a cloudbuster that produces scalar waves that break up the chemtrails in my local sky (yep, a real nutter here ;-) the objects are frequently observed with my camera and a blind faith point and shoot method. Adjust exposure, crop to get as close as possible and you can see the same things.

[Sidney]

Changed the exposure on the second sun from the video and got this wild image. Has anyone seen the sun look like this color in any image anywhere?
Much love,
The toast lady <3
Looking again at this pic (post 131), if all those round things next to the sun, particularly the one at the two o'clock position, are not lens flares, well,,,Houston, we have a problem.

I hope that someone here with some legitimate photographic expertise can offer to take a look. I am not qualified.

But, IMO, the do not just put this stuff in the commercials to be creative. That was some weird synchronicity to see that, at that time. I think it was on the cw channel, right after Mr. Ed. Yes, I was watching Mr. Ed. I'm sorry, but talking animals...... Almost ranks up there with holy toast.
My camera is amazing! And the blue spheres are very interesting. In my opinion, the top one which has a thin strip of "cloud like substance above it is really a planet moving in space close enough to see, except the glare of the sun makes it impossible, as do persistent geoengineering chemtrails. I have discovered that with the help of a cloudbuster that produces scalar waves that break up the chemtrails in my local sky (yep, a real nutter here ;-) the objects are frequently observed with my camera and a blind faith point and shoot method. Adjust exposure, crop to get as close as possible and you can see the same things.

Which pic are you referring too?

[Daphne]

same one you were I think.

[Bill Ryan]

Pretty impressive pictures. Pretty undeniable IMO.

Folks (I say this gently!) — these are forms of 'sun dog'. This is been explained many times on other threads (and maybe on this one!).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_dog

Also stated many times on other threads, there are tens of thousands of amateur astronomers, answering to nobody, who would be racing each other to claim credit for an astronomical discovery of major significance. Something like, this, if it was visible to the naked eye, would be EASY for astronomers to pick up, even with a pair of binoculars.

'Planet X' is indeed out there (in my fairly strong opinion), but is nowhere close yet, and may well be radiating primarily in the infra-red (not the visible spectrum), where it would be far less easy to see, even with good equipment. Let's maybe wait till 2016-2017, and we can have this discussion again.

Re the original post, this is a better reference (forgive me if this has been posted already — I have NOT read the entire thread):

http://www.vopus.org/en/gnosis/great-characters/tribute-to-the-memory-and-work-of-the-great--chilean-astronomer-carlos-munoz-ferrada.html

The cited interview was published in 1999... and it does seem that Ferrada's timing was wrong (or yes, Nick would have been able to see it with his telescope by now :) ). In general terms, though, I do think the jury is still out.

[Sidney]

Pretty impressive pictures. Pretty undeniable IMO.

Folks (I say this gently!) — these are forms of 'sun dog'. This is been explained many times on other threads (and maybe on this one!).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_dog

Also stated many times on other threads, there are tens of thousands of amateur astronomers, answering to nobody, who would be racing each other to claim credit for an astronomical discovery of major significance. Something like, this, if it was visible to the naked eye, would be EASY for astronomers to pick up, even with a pair of binoculars.

'Planet X' is indeed out there (in my fairly strong opinion), but is nowhere close yet, and may well be radiating primarily in the infra-red (not the visible spectrum), where it would be far less easy to see, even with good equipment. Let's maybe wait till 2016-2017, and we can have this discussion again.

Re the original post, this is a better reference (forgive me if this has been posted already — I have NOT read the entire thread):

http://www.vopus.org/en/gnosis/great-characters/tribute-to-the-memory-and-work-of-the-great--chilean-astronomer-carlos-munoz-ferrada.html

The cited interview was published in 1999... and it does seem that Ferrada's timing was wrong (or yes, Nick would have been able to see it with his telescope by now :) ). In general terms, though, I do think the jury is still out.
I appreciate you chiming in Bill. I am in agreement regarding the planet x/I as far as infrared visibility. I am also getting the idea, mainly from hearing many scientific interview over the last several years, that the possibility of more than one object might come into visibility at soime point, and I have already seen twice something that is either a hologram, or something that becomes visible once in a while when the planetary orientations are lined up to accommodate that occurring.

The Houston we have a problem was meant to be tongue in cheek, as anything that huge obviously, would be quite obvious to everyone. Apologies if my humor was not seen. I have a very difficult time communicating on a device that I have to continually rewrite, and rewrite, because of size and word correct programming that thinks it already knows what I want to say, it it truly a frustrating thing, and I end up shortening my message by half, and don't get my point across.
Anyway,aside from that , I thought the blue kachina. was not the same as planet x. I thought it was a star. There is so much disinfo going around it is hard to keep everything straight. I think most objects in pictures are lens flares, and I say that from making g the SME mistakes. In the past, and not liking it when people said flare. But I cannot tell someone that 100% I'm sure its a lens flare, when I wasn't there, Daphne needs to educate herself, and take many many many more pictures and learn to filter out the lens flares and find out if there is anything there, and I hope she does not mind me saying so here, but I have emailed her privately to point her to where she can learn to do this.
I also want to state on record, as I have in the past, I have seen holographic images, as there is much trickery going on, where technology is concerned, but that's a whole other topic, but my point is we have no way of knowing what someone else is seeing. Because, we are not there.
My opinion is the subliminal on TV, can be used for a couple of reasons. Programming, cause fear, confusion. Separately, combined. We all know Hollywood's history with regards to, things are Not all its seems. Anyway I have drifted off topic.
But my mind is open to the possibility that a unknown object is something other than a doomsday planet. I too am still learning. I just hate to see people being called a crazy person (directly or indirectly) because the see something they do not understand, regardless if its a lens flare or planetary object. We are all here to learn, and not feel berated for our ideas.

[Daphne]

Pretty impressive pictures. Pretty undeniable IMO.

Folks (I say this gently!) — these are forms of 'sun dog'. This is been explained many times on other threads (and maybe on this one!).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_dog

Also stated many times on other threads, there are tens of thousands of amateur astronomers, answering to nobody, who would be racing each other to claim credit for an astronomical discovery of major significance. Something like, this, if it was visible to the naked eye, would be EASY for astronomers to pick up, even with a pair of binoculars.

'Planet X' is indeed out there (in my fairly strong opinion), but is nowhere close yet, and may well be radiating primarily in the infra-red (not the visible spectrum), where it would be far less easy to see, even with good equipment. Let's maybe wait till 2016-2017, and we can have this discussion again.

Re the original post, this is a better reference (forgive me if this has been posted already — I have NOT read the entire thread):

http://www.vopus.org/en/gnosis/great-characters/tribute-to-the-memory-and-work-of-the-great--chilean-astronomer-carlos-munoz-ferrada.html

The cited interview was published in 1999... and it does seem that Ferrada's timing was wrong (or yes, Nick would have been able to see it with his telescope by now :) ). In general terms, though, I do think the jury is still out.
I appreciate you chiming in Bill. I am in agreement regarding the planet x/I as far as infrared visibility. I am also getting the idea, mainly from hearing many scientific interview over the last several years, that the possibility of more than one object might come into visibility at soime point, and I have already seen twice something that is either a hologram, or something that becomes visible once in a while when the planetary orientations are lined up to accommodate that occurring.

The Houston we have a problem was meant to be tongue in cheek, as anything that huge obviously, would be quite obvious to everyone. Apologies if my humor was not seen. I have a very difficult time communicating on a device that I have to continually rewrite, and rewrite, because of size and word correct programming that thinks it already knows what I want to say, it it truly a frustrating thing, and I end up shortening my message by half, and don't get my point across.
Anyway,aside from that , I thought the blue kachina. was not the same as planet x. I thought it was a star. There is so much disinfo going around it is hard to keep everything straight. I think most objects in pictures are lens flares, and I say that from making g the SME mistakes. In the past, and not liking it when people said flare. But I cannot tell someone that 100% I'm sure its a lens flare, when I wasn't there, Daphne needs to educate herself, and take many many many more pictures and learn to filter out the lens flares and find out if there is anything there, and I hope she does not mind me saying so here, but I have emailed her privately to point her to where she can learn to do this.
I also want to state on record, as I have in the past, I have seen holographic images, as there is much trickery going on, where technology is concerned, but that's a whole other topic, but my point is we have no way of knowing what someone else is seeing. Because, we are not there.
My opinion is the subliminal on TV, can be used for a couple of reasons. Programming, cause fear, confusion. Separately, combined. We all know Hollywood's history with regards to, things are Not all its seems. Anyway I have drifted off topic.
But my mind is open to the possibility that a unknown object is something other than a doomsday planet. I too am still learning. I just hate to see people being called a crazy person (directly or indirectly) because the see something they do not understand, regardless if its a lens flare or planetary object. We are all here to learn, and not feel berated for our ideas.
So, this is through #14 welders glass. No lens flare possible I was told.

[crosby]

very interesting photo Daphne. thanks for posting it.
warmest,
crosby

[Daphne]

Here is one through a blue filter. I'm not sure if the sphere near the top could be a lens flare if I used a blue filter.

[Sirius White]

Yes it is nearby, and yes it is real.

Believe it or not, there are means to dampen all effects- and they were placed a very long time ago and not just on this world either. But it seems to be working. That is all I will say about it :)

Thanks for the link...this is the first semi-accurate website I've seen in regards to the actual planet. The beings who live there (you know who they are), a great deal of them have helped and are....things will be much more smooth than it was before. Did you know that timelines can be changed?

[Daphne]

Pretty impressive pictures. Pretty undeniable IMO.

Folks (I say this gently!) — these are forms of 'sun dog'. This is been explained many times on other threads (and maybe on this one!).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_dog

Also stated many times on other threads, there are tens of thousands of amateur astronomers, answering to nobody, who would be racing each other to claim credit for an astronomical discovery of major significance. Something like, this, if it was visible to the naked eye, would be EASY for astronomers to pick up, even with a pair of binoculars.

'Planet X' is indeed out there (in my fairly strong opinion), but is nowhere close yet, and may well be radiating primarily in the infra-red (not the visible spectrum), where it would be far less easy to see, even with good equipment. Let's maybe wait till 2016-2017, and we can have this discussion again.

Re the original post, this is a better reference (forgive me if this has been posted already — I have NOT read the entire thread):

http://www.vopus.org/en/gnosis/great-characters/tribute-to-the-memory-and-work-of-the-great--chilean-astronomer-carlos-munoz-ferrada.html

The cited interview was published in 1999... and it does seem that Ferrada's timing was wrong (or yes, Nick would have been able to see it with his telescope by now :) ). In general terms, though, I do think the jury is still out.
Thanks for your take on this Bill. Surprised it warranted bringing you I to this. I thank you for your articles which I find quite enlightening. I see how some of what I've captured does fall into this category.

Apparently:

Aristotle (Meteorology III.2, 372a14) notes that "two mock suns rose with the sun and followed it all through the day until sunset." He says that "mock suns" are always to the side, never above or below, most commonly at sunrise or sunset, more rarely in the middle of the day.
From the Wikipedia article. In my window reflection shots all "suns" are in a vertical line. Not to the sides as Aristotle had commented on. So I'm still perplexed as to the pictures that show that.

[Nick Matkin]

Aristotle (Meteorology III.2, 372a14) notes that "two mock suns rose with the sun and followed it all through the day until sunset." He says that "mock suns" are always to the side, never above or below, most commonly at sunrise or sunset, more rarely in the middle of the day.


http://www.truthcontrol.com/files/truthcontrol/styles/large/public/images/sun-dogs_jpg.jpg

Indeed. Mock suns at the side of the real sun, at sunset or sun rise:

An interesting phenomena that is caused by ice crystals in the atmosphere, not objects out in space! Please Daphne, have a look...

More truly impressive photographs here (https://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&site=imghp&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1366&bih=609&q=sun+dogs&oq=sun+dogs&gs_l=img.1.0.0l5j0i5j0i24l2j0i10i24l2.317769.324605.1.326917.16.13.2.1.0.1.284.1692.7j4j2.13.0....0. ..1ac.1.54.img..11.14.1486.ttMuU3RYmKY#imgdii=_).

Nick

[Nick Matkin]

In my window reflection shots all "suns" are in a vertical line. Not to the sides as Aristotle had commented on. So I'm still perplexed as to the pictures that show that.

It's because you're photographing the sun via the unpredictable reflective properties of ordinary window glass; your shots have nothing to do with what Aristotle described.

Can you see these effects with your bare eyes? No. (And don't look directly at the sun.)

:frusty:

Nick

[Hervé]

See also this thread: Sun Dog!! (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?75301-Sun-Dog--)


So, this is through #14 welders glass. No lens flare possible I was told. You might want to remind the person who told you that, that lenses are part of the camera and, in this case, behind the welder's glass and therefore still subject to the usual lens' flares to which are added the reflections/refractions back-to/through the welder's glass itself (same when shot through windows, windshields, protective plexiglass globes, etc.).

[citsym]

CHARACTERISTICS OF HERCOLUBUS ACCORDING TO CHILEAN ASTRONOMER CARLOS MUÑOZ FERRADA:

IT IS A RED PLANET which presents an elliptical orbit of a comet and great mass of a planet, in other words “a planet with a tail” .
The star is charged with cosmic energy, as to say rarefied radiation which according to scholars alter the behavior and health, and will provoke incurable epidemics and irritability, bringing wars.
Does not meet the conventionally established celestial physical laws.
Travels between our Sun and a Black Sun which is found 32 trillion kilometers away.
Will pass 14 million kilometers from Earth.
IT IS APPROXIMATLEY SIX TIMES BIGGER THAN JUPITER, thus its approach of 14 million kilometers from our world will exercise a disastrous attraction up on the incandescent liquid minerals inside the Earth, provoking tremendous internal pressures and therefore volcanoes and earthquakes.
It will end up penetrating our Solar System and be visible to the naked eye as well as photographed.
“Its arrival will cause human and geophysical change, bringing change and destruction”.

Now read Mother Shipton's future prophecies.

The following are prophecies on our future:

For those who live the century through in fear and trembling this shall do. Flee to the mountains and the dens to bog and forest and wild fens.
{After the 20th century is over, people will live in fear and flee to mountains, dens & forests for refuge.}

For storms will rage and oceans roar When Gabriel stands on sea and shore, and as he blows his wondrous horn Old worlds die and new be born.
{The Last Trumpet. The Biblical Revelation. The destruction of this civilization and creation of a new one - the so called “End Of The World”.}

A fiery dragon will cross the sky Six times before the earth shall die. Mankind will tremble and frightened be For the six heralds in this prophecy.
{Appearance of a series of six comets and a probable collision with earth as indicated in the Bible and by Nostradamus. In the last 20 years alone we have seen at least four spectacular comets or “fiery dragons”: Halley’s, Kahoutek (a bit of a dud), Hyakutake and Hale-Bopp. But it appears here that she is referring to a SINGLE OBJECT that grazes the atmosphere before a collision, like the near asteroid miss we had last week, looping around us six times over seven days before a collision with Earth.}

For seven days and seven nights Man will watch this awesome sight. The tides will rise beyond their ken. To bite away the shores and then The mountains will begin to roar And earthquakes split the plain to shore.
{After asteroid hits in the oceans, huge tidal waves will strike followed by awakening of volcanoes and earthquakes.}

And flooding waters rushing in, Will flood the lands with such a din That mankind cowers in muddy fen And snarls about his fellow men.
{Tidal waves and wars continue.}

He bares his teeth and fights and kills And secrets food in secret hills And ugly in his fear, he lies To kill marauders, thieves and spies.
{Continuation of wars in spite of disasters. The storing up of secret food supplies in underground bases.}

Man flees in terror from the floods And kills, and rapes and lies in blood And spilling blood by mankind’s hand Will stain and bitter many lands.
{Continuation of the World And when the dragon’s tail is gone Man forgets and smiles and carries on. To apply himself - too late, too late For mankind has earned deserved fate.
{War and natural disasters will abate for a brief period of time after the dragon’s tail of a comet or asteroid disappears from the heavens. Peace will seemingly return but man’s fate is already sealed.}

His masked smile, his false grandeur, Will serve the gods their anger stir And they will send the dragon back To light the sky—his tail will crack. Upon the earth and rend the earth And man shall flee, king, lord and serf.
{When peace has returned and man is complacent, suddenly an even greater disaster happens. Could this be symbolic of those who escape “The Pit” at the bottom of Great Pyramid in 2005, only to be washed back into it by “The River of Fire” between 2012 to 2014? Is this the famous 3 Days Of Darkness of the Judgment day?}

But slowly they are routed out To seek diminishing water spout And men will die of thirst before The oceans rise to mount to the shore. And lands will crack and rend anew Do you think it strange? It will come true!
{More earthquakes, floods and death.}

And in some far—off distant land Some men—Oh, such a tiny band Will have to leave their solid mount And span the earth, those few to count.
{Survivors coming out from their hiding places underground - the Biblical phrase “dead will come out of their graves.”}

Who survives this (unreadable) and then Begin the human race again.
But not on land already there, But on ocean beds, stark, dry and bare.
{Survivors start a new civilization, not on lands which are poisoned due to war and nuclear radiation but on lands rising out of the sea after the Great Tribulation.}

Not every soul on earth will die, As the dragon’s tail goes sweeping by, Not every land on earth will sink, But these will wallow in stench and stink, Of rotting bodies of beast and man, Of vegetation crisped on land.
{The existing lands will be littered with bodies of humans, animals and burned vegetation, although all humans will not die during the “Judgement Day”.}

But the land that rises from the sea Will be dry and clean and soft and free. Of mankind’s dirt and therefore be, The source of man’s new dynasty. And those that live will ever fear The dragon’s tail for many year But time erases memory You think it strange? But it will be!
{Land rising from the sea will be clean and free of all these and this is where the new civilizations will be started. Slowly the memory of the disasters will fade away as time passes and fear will subside.}

And before the race is built anew, A silver serpent comes to view And spew out men of like unknown. To mingle with the earth now grown Cold from its heat and these men can Enlighten the minds of future man. To intermingle and show them how To live and love and thus endow The children with the second sight A natural thing so that they might Grow graceful, humble and when they do The Golden Age will start anew.
{The arrival of extraterrestrials in their space ships who will enlighten the men starting the new civilization. Children will be gifted with special (mental) powers which becomes a naturally occurring phenomenon. Then The Golden Age of man will begin again.}

The dragon’s tail is but a sign For mankind’s fall and man’s decline. And before this prophecy is done I shall be burned at the stake, at One. My body singed and my soul set free.
You think I utter blasphemy? You’re wrong! These things have come to me THIS PROPHECY WILL COME TO BE!
{Asserts that this prophecy will come true even though people might think of her prophecy as blasphemy.}

Gill Broussard has videos up at https://www.youtube.com/user/Planet7X

This is his focus
My main focus is to inform viewers of new findings in the field of Biblical astronomy and how these resulting anomalies correlate to biblical records. Three years of research along with astronomical software models of each event that have a repeating overlay to a depth and degree to which the data cross-validated itself was beyond expectations! This site contains:
1.) A representative portion of the information collected.
2.) Charts, graphs and other data supporting the existence of a "mystery planet" which I call Planet-7X (for 7 times Earth's diameter).
3.) There is very strong evidence indicating it's IMMINENT END TIME APPEARANCE.
I do not claim to have all the answers, but the considerable research I have conducted is accurate to the extent of my ability to correlate the data.
My findings and research are open and available for outside review.


Does Planet X exist?? Unfortunately no according to - A SEARCH FOR A DISTANT COMPANION TO THE SUN WITH THE WIDE-FIELD INFRARED SURVEY EXPLORER * published in the The Astrophysical Journal, will detail that:
"An object of this kind down to W2 = 14.5. HAS NOT BEEN FOUND... This limit corresponds to analogs of Saturn and Jupiter at 28,000 and 82,000 AU, respectively, according to models of the Jovian planets by Fortney and coworkers. http://iopscience.iop.org/0004-637X/781/1/4/

There is heaps more you can find on this subject, but at the end of the day, it's something you believe in or you don't...

One of the most interesting pieces I came across was from http://cosmicconvergence.org/?p=13 (http://cosmicconvergence.org/?p=13)

*Many researchers and historical intuitives believe that many of the souls of Atlantis were reborn in those nations rimming the North Atlantic Ocean – the original location of that ancient civilization. Especially the USA, the UK, Continental Europe and Canada, where technological innovation and scientific advancement are so greatly valued and incentivized, it is believed that those who were ‘operative’ in the final days of Atlantis may have reincarnated. It has even been advanced that Nikola Tesla assumed an incarnation at a pivotal point during the burgeoning Industrial Revolution in a valiant attempt to establish a clean source of “free energy” as the status quo. Having been prominently configured in the pre-fall days of Atlantis, bequeathing such rarified and enlightened technology was his karmic compensation to the Universe and his fellow man.

**As the “Chief Scientific Officer” of Atlantis, Tesla would have been well aware of the pervasive misuse of the predominant crystalline-based energy paradigm just as he would have been aware of the grotesque abuse of highly advanced technologies within the arena of genetic engineering/manipulation (e.g. today’s chimera representations by and large come from Atlantean experiments gone awry). Furthermore, just as the distinct possibility exists today for a manmade ELE due to the unrestrained use of nuclear and other forms of technologically advanced weaponry (e.g. DARPA-driven HAARP, Geo-engineering/Chemtrails, Electro-magnetic Pulse (EMP) weapons, Tesla Scalar Interferometers, High Energy Laser-Directed Energy weapons (aka Particle Beam weapons), Space-based weaponry, Tectonic weapons, Weather warfare, Sonic and Ultrasonic weapons—land and sea-based), it was the misapplication of extremely powerful technologies within the realm of advanced weaponry which probably sealed Atlantis’ fate.

Please bear in mind that there is no question we have seen a number of minor dress rehearsals by way of the following extraordinary happenings within the current global energy paradigms, both hydrocarbon fuel and nuclear. In both cases it has been observed that “when the faculty of reason flees humankind and common sense becomes so rare, the resulting status quo will ensure a race to the bottom that will inevitably threaten the sustainability of life on Earth


Anyway... there are as many truths as there are people on the planet, and we are all growing in different ways, some news is food and to others it's poison ... but we do seem to be converging onto only a few timelines imo :)

[Sidney]

See also this thread: Sun Dog!! (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?75301-Sun-Dog--)


So, this is through #14 welders glass. No lens flare possible I was told. You might want to remind the person who told you that, that lenses are part of the camera and, in this case, behind the welder's glass and therefore still subject to the usual lens' flares to which are added the reflections/refractions back-to/through the welder's glass itself (same when shot through windows, windshields, protective plexiglass globes, etc.).

I agree Daphne, camera lenses have multiple mirrors inside, light reflects,and bounces around creating the flare effect. Filtering through a filter decreases the glare from the sun to better the surrounding sky, but light is still light and can reflect creating flare(s). So finding a way to block the sun from view, would help. There are some videos on yt showing how. I am sorry I cannot get it to link. But any sunlight entering your camera lens can make a flare.
If anyone can explain this better please do so, I will try to find the title to the videos I am talking about, and maybe someone can embed it here.

Daphne, this is just a learning process, but you will find that it is next to impossible to photograph the sun, and not get flares, unless you are a pro and know the tricks, which I am not one.

[Daphne]

My pictures are now on up on the ranch and beyond thread.

[Daphne]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fI1LfSFpgS0

Important video.

[Sidney]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fI1LfSFpgS0

Important video.



Hi Daphne, I find it hard to see past the Many flares. and I wonder why you took 6 minutes of the sun reflecting in the glass a did not go and film the actual sun/sky for comparison. Your video is just to full of artifacts to able to make any kind of judgement. But the UFO shot is awesome.

[Daphne]

It is not flares. The sun is freaking out because of all the stuff coming in near it. At the bottom left you see a BIG planet come in from the left. There are several spheres above the sun on the right that move indepently. You seriously couldn't see any of that? I do t even know what to say....

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You cannot see the bright objects easily by aiming the camera at the sun. At this time of the day it's too bright. It's just before sunset 45 minutes or so, and filming the reflection eliminates the chemtrails and the glare.

[Nick Matkin]

Daphne (whether you read this or not), Bill Ryan has already said in post #145:

... there are tens of thousands of amateur astronomers, answering to nobody, who would be racing each other to claim credit for an astronomical discovery of major significance. Something like, this, if it was visible to the naked eye, would be EASY for astronomers to pick up, even with a pair of binoculars.

How come only you can see this 'Big Planet'? And in what way exactly is the sun 'freaking out' which as gone unobserved by all these astronomers?

If you have made such an important discovery you will be famous.

Nick

[Wyrmspleen]

27433

http://www.viewzone.com/JVT/wtf112611.html

This section of the article reminds me of the ancient pyramid artefact which language on it apparently refers to Orion. The translation something to the son of god comes with the Orion constellation on it:

So now the question is: Where is it?

Just where is the heavenly body which may be careening toward our Solar System at this very moment? Dr. Gerry Neugebauer, IRAS chief scientist for California’s Jet Propulsion Laboratory and director of the Palomar Observatory for the California Institute of Technology rendered an account which ended up in the Washington Post back in 1983.

“A heavenly body possibly as large as the giant planet Jupiter and possibly so close to Earth that it would be part of this solar system has been found in the direction of the constellation Orion by an orbiting telescope aboard the U.S. infrared astronomical satellite.”

Not sure if that means anything but just putting it out there

Have also read the Hercolubus book, was posted free of charge to New Zealand. Bit tricky rolling those mantras off the tongue.

Also further reading down the website page the following might seem relevant:

"When will the Final Shift occur?

There is only one answer to this question. Those who reside at the very peak of the pinnacle of Global Control Matrix know the answer. They have all been here before.

“When scientific knowledge and applied technology reach a critical level of advancement, without being informed by spiritual truths and guided by moral authority, the current civilization will relinquish its right to continue as it is.”
~ Cosmic Convergence Research Group

It is really that simple. This statement also captures the essence of why the timing is so difficult for anyone to pin down. Because those who direct the most consequential and far-reaching scientific research experiments in the Solar System know exactly what they’re doing, they actually have their foot on the accelerator. Of course, the Highest Power controls all, so the actual moment of truth will “come like a thief in the night”, as it always does.

Since Hercolubus can behave as a hyperdimensional entity, it exists outside of the normally perceived parameters of our universe. It is, however, extremely impressionable and responsive. Were it to receive the frequencies which indicated that the misguided scientists (and their controllers) have really crossed the line, it just might show up on our doorstep tomorrow … literally!"

[Nick Matkin]

Just where is the heavenly body which may be careening toward our Solar System at this very moment? Dr. Gerry Neugebauer, IRAS chief scientist for California’s Jet Propulsion Laboratory and director of the Palomar Observatory for the California Institute of Technology rendered an account which ended up in the Washington Post back in 1983."

Hi Wyrmspleen and thanks you for describing that. It was in fact on the front page of the Washington Post, 31 December 1983 and was mentioned in post #45 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?74630-Planet-X-Confirmed-By-Carlos-Mu--oz-Ferrada-Orbit-Speed-And-Size-Reveals-A-Comet-Planet&p=879198&viewfull=1#post879198) of this thread.

Nick

[Sidney]

It is not flares. The sun is freaking out because of all the stuff coming in near it. At the bottom left you see a BIG planet come in from the left. There are several spheres above the sun on the right that move indepently. You seriously couldn't see any of that? I do t even know what to say....

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You cannot see the bright objects easily by aiming the camera at the sun. At this time of the day it's too bright. It's just before sunset 45 minutes or so, and filming the reflection eliminates the chemtrails and the glare.


Post deleted .wrong thread.

[Wyrmspleen]

I am really glad to have come to a forum that respects the free will conversation of those who choose to discuss topics here

[najara12000]

I don't know what to think. But there are still people out there talking about this that when it comes in view we will only have about 28 minutes? yowusa.com and http://news.yahoo.com/space-news-missed-planet-biden-nasa-space-suit-193650998.html

Jason Martel talks about it too. I've read the year is October 2014 and I've read the year 2016.

If anyone has something on this please post it. Also this web page which some are saying got shut down after they stated in June they would resume:
https://vimeo.com/channels/745911

[Atlas]

Since Hercolubus can behave as a hyperdimensional entity, it exists outside of the normally perceived parameters of our universe.

I read Hercólubus or Red Planet by V.M. Rabolú [...] Rabolú in 1999 prophesied planet Hercólubus a few years after the prediction of a planet Nibiru cataclysm, and then later Nancy Lieder used Rabolú's prophecy to bolster her claims of Nibiru. After the failed 2003 Nibiru prediction, the Nibiru idea came back as part of the a 2012 Mayan cataclysm prophecies. Rabolú did not give a specific time for his Hercólubus prediction, just that it was a very short-term prophecy.

[...] The book has no references so I assume that it is the author's own ass from where his claims came from. The first paragraph really sets the mood: Humanity is spellbound by the predictions of the falsely called 'scientists,' who do nothing but fill Humanity with lies. Scientists distort the truth.

[...] Hercólubus or Red Planet is a rambling incongruous screed from a man that rejects credible evidence based on the natural world and instead arrogantly presents his intuition as fact. The author died in 2000 so the fulfilment of his very short-term prophecy keeps fading ever so dimmer.

http://debunkatron.com/reviews/Hercolubus_or_Red_Planet_by_V.M._Rabolu.html


Hercolubus or Red Planet was written in 1998/1999, but Rabolu apparently picked the idea from his "teacher" - Samael Aun Weor, who in the 1970s preached about Hercolubus being the end of the world in religious terms, as a punishment for the "shameful humanity that deserves the karma that approaches" and that "did not want to listen to the voice of the prophets".[2]

Being the founder of a theosophy/anthroposophy-influenced New Age "gnostic" church, he also threw Atlantis and the Kali Yuga into the mix.[3] In his version, Hercolubus is a part of the "distant solar system of Tylo", which he identifies[3] as Barnard's Star.[4] Needless to say, despite his claims to the contrary, Hercolubus is not an accepted scientific fact. (source (http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Hercolubus))

[Knowrainknowrainbows!]

Gill Broussard from Louisiana is an amateur astronomer who has researched the existence of a planet with comet characteristics for over 3 years. He is a designer for engineers in the oil industry by trade and very scientific-minded and detailed oriented.

He correlates ancient Hebrew scripture, Chinese documentation, Sumarian writings, etc., with computer generated scientific models to create graphs and detailed charts.

He calls the celestial body that follows an elliptical path into our solar system every 300 to 400 years or so Planet 7X because he estimates its size at roughly 7 times that of earth.

He's given radio interviews and provides free downloads of his charts in an effort to inform/educate the public at large.

He has a youtube channel and I'm providing one link below ... so many from which to choose. Please give it/his info a moment of your time ... and subscribe if it resonates.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0bPCteA5a0&list=TLnriK8s_0F__JSRd0jTcTx-sZ_K7xzzTt


Thanks,
KRKR
:thank_you2:

[Daphne]

I just posted a picture of the object above the sun on up at the Ranch. I'm not sure how to link it here. Maybe someone could help. It's pretty amazing! Ufo I think.

[Nick Matkin]

Daphne's UFO picture from the thread she mentioned:

here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?3596-Up-At-The-Ranch-And-Beyond&p=882751&viewfull=1#post882751):

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/attachment.php?attachmentid=27439&stc=1&d=1412002342

Nick

[Daphne]

How ironic that you posted that picture nick. Thanks.

[Nick Matkin]

How ironic that you posted that picture nick. Thanks.

Just because I don't necessarily agree with what someone posts, doesn't mean I won't help them.

Nick

(Anyway, you shouldn't be able to see it if you've blocked me.)

[Daphne]

You did more than disagree. Do you have any idea what this above the sun might be?

[Nick Matkin]

You did more than disagree. Do you have any idea what this above the sun might be?

I have no idea, unless someone thinks it might be a Vogon scout ship...?

Nick

[Knowrainknowrainbows!]

Okay, I just found this a few hours ago .... Any thoughts??

uSecppp_cZM

[Atlas]

Okay, I just found this a few hours ago .... Any thoughts??

What about this:

EwjuQN9Bb8Y
As you can see, the second sun is moving around as if intelligently controlled. Isn't it strange ?

Edit: We might have solved the mystery: see the comment posted by the uploader of the video:


As sun rise on the east, me decided to snap a pic of the sunrise.so I stop 40 miles north of del rio tx. and as i poited my phone i noticed the optical effect of the iPhone camera. this looks much like the videos the claim two suns on the sky.i move the phone to the left and right,so you can see the what seems to be a second sun it's just really an optical effect. Well you decide. Thx for watching .

[Nick Matkin]

No, no, no buares. Folks here want to believe that there really is a planet/star/object out in space that is only visible in very localised areas to certain people with cameras.

No amount of explaining how that would be impossible, how amateur astronomers would all see it or asking them to actually EXPLAIN how an astronomical object can be 'hushed up' by the powers that be, is going to make any difference. To you and me that's really weird, but apparently true.

They seem to actually believe that anyone who contradicts them is part of the conspiracy, not just explaining the facts they may not appreciate. Or, god forbid, simply having a different opinion.

Nick

[Daphne]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMAm-QdnOtY
I took this at about 3:15 - any ideas about it?

[Daphne]

Okay, I just found this a few hours ago .... Any thoughts??

uSecppp_cZM
I think it's a great example of what people are beginning to see more and more frequently around the world. I am getting amazing captures all the time now. There is so much going on out there. It's absolutely mind blowing. Thanks for posting!!

[Atlas]

I took this at about 3:15 - any ideas about it?

with a good filter you can get a very good view of the second sun (nibiru) intead of trying to burn your eyes . Gook luck

For an even better result cover the sun with a finger and see your Nibiru disappear.
https://www.youtube.com/all_comments?v=YMAm-QdnOtY

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I think it's a great example of what people are beginning to see more and more frequently around the world. I am getting amazing captures all the time now. There is so much going on out there. It's absolutely mind blowing. Thanks for posting!!

I think it's just an optical effect, nothing more.

[ThePythonicCow]

Folks here want to believe that there really is a planet/star/object out in space that is only visible in very localised areas to certain people with cameras.


I think it's just an optical effect, nothing more.

Nick and buares ... while it happens that I am personally far closer to your views than I am to the main view on this thread, I also do what I can to provide space on this forum for various views. May I recommend that if you would like to continue to present your views on this topic, that you do so on a separate thread, perhaps linked to from a post on this thread?

[sheme]

Thank you for your wisdom Paul, blessed are the peace makers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8m0vnS-99o Don Adams interviews a NASA insider.




Some more information from the same insider

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ji_o4VMjsd0

" we wont get to see it in the sky until it is upon us" quote from above.

[Daphne]

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asch_conformity_experiments

A 9th grader I know told me about how her social studies teacher started class with this experiment. He sent one student to,the office to retrieve something, informed the other students and true to the Asch conformity experiment, that girl agreed with the deliberate lies by the other students.

I went to a unschool open education 1960s hippie school where I didn't learn to conform. I am so unbelievably grateful for this!

The point is. Trust yourself and your perceptions with Planet X.

[sheme]

It is 8.40PM here unusual brightness to the night sky in the west it is a first quarter Moon but looks like a full moon shrouded in white out sky- I wonder what is causing this? can my friends in US take a look to their South Western sky tonight and compare?

[Daphne]

I've been noticing unusual brightness at night too sheme. 2 nights ago I was awakened by light coming in my skylight at 2:15 AM. I went outside and my eastern sky looked bright with barely a moon. Very unusual here. I will look at 8:40 here, the sky is heavily clouded now though.

[Atlas]

Planet X wanderers, may I suggest you take a look at this thread: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?62877-NZ-Astronomer-debunks-M.-Masters-There-is-no-brown-dwarf-star---Planet-X---in-our-solar-system

[sheme]

Buares ? Did you read the thread you have recommended? It would appear this thread a poor example if you are trying to prove something other than the generally held insider view. The coming of this solar system and all it's debris is the reason for the underground cities- the callus destruction of nations in war- the poisoning of our Mother Earth, and the very water we drink and the air we breath.
All designed to make it as hard as possible for humanity to survive this up and coming catastrophe and it's after effects. It is my understanding there are lifeforms on this Earth that don't want any of us to survive- above or below ground, that is the intention of our enemy. The alight (Without light) friends of our enemy will be put to death by humanities enemy no matter what they think their reward will be- it will be death and difficulty of an immense nature for many lifetimes to come.

[Atlas]

Buares ? Did you read the thread you have recommended?

Of course I read the thread, didn't you read my 3 posts (#14 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?62877-NZ-Astronomer-debunks-M.-Masters-There-is-no-brown-dwarf-star---Planet-X---in-our-solar-system&p=723518&viewfull=1#post723518), #15 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?62877-NZ-Astronomer-debunks-M.-Masters-There-is-no-brown-dwarf-star---Planet-X---in-our-solar-system&p=723521&viewfull=1#post723521) and #16 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?62877-NZ-Astronomer-debunks-M.-Masters-There-is-no-brown-dwarf-star---Planet-X---in-our-solar-system&p=723529&viewfull=1#post723529)) ?


From Wikipedia :

While its mission did not involve a search for Planet X, the IRAS space observatory made headlines briefly in 1983 due to an "unknown object" that was at first described as "possibly as large as the giant planet Jupiter and possibly so close to Earth that it would be part of this Solar System".[34]

Further analysis revealed that of several unidentified objects, nine were distant galaxies and the tenth was "interstellar cirrus"; none were found to be Solar System bodies.[35]

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[34] Thomas O'Toole (1983-12-30). "Mystery Heavenly Body Discovered" (http://web.archive.org/web/20080201141420/http://spider.ipac.caltech.edu/staff/tchester/iras/washington_post_mystery_object.html). Washington Post. p. A1. Archived from the original on 2008-02-01. Retrieved 2008-01-28.

[35] J. R. Houck, D. P. Schneider, D. E. Danielson et al. (1985). "Unidentified IRAS sources: Ultra-High Luminosity Galaxies". The Astrophysical Journal 290: 5–8. Bibcode:1985ApJ...290L...5H (http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1985ApJ...290L...5H). doi:10.1086/184431 (http://dx.doi.org/10.1086%2F184431).

[Daphne]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nw7q5mSDCwA

Very cool video shows a go pro camera attached to a balloon gets up to over 50,000 feet and i took a couple of stills of the few glimpses toward the sun and found these interesting objects which I have barely edited. Any thoughts? What's the pink thing behind the sun?

[MorningFox]

More lens flares and light refraction, like every other photo you have posted.

:)

Go and aim your camera directly at a light bulb and have a look at the results, do you think there is a planet hiding behind your lamp? Sorry but it's getting ridiculous now.

[dim]

It took me quite a lot of time to grow past PX back in the early days of 2003,
the whole literature from Zecharia Sitchin to the ZetaTalk live irc, what excitement...
who knows how many lens flare i took for real, for what secretly i wanted to see
how many webcam sunrises, how many nights staring the sky for the alleged passage
and the following disillusionment as years passing and nothing actually was taking place
but something did
maturity took place, discernment happened, overgrow of my own projections happened
and the lies helped a lot, perhaps that's the real reason behind all disinfo.
But i had to go through all of it, i had to step on every trap on the way and eat the mud
of many puddles stumbled upon and i don't think i would have really learn anything otherwise.


Perhaps there is a PX, perhaps there was one, or there will be
and certainly isn't in those pics but what if there there is not one ?
am i ready for this ?

[Nick Matkin]

Photos seem to have dried up. Has someone had another word...?

[ArjunaArcana]

There is no Nibiru or second Sun or a rogue planet......

Pay attention to the incoming asteroids.....

That is our main concern as a people on this world

[Sidney]

This is a recent coast program regarding Planet x. I don't know how much we can believe since IMO coast is heavily censored, but its an interesting listen.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AslbVJjVGU

[naste.de.lumina]

This video was made by a resident of San Vicente beach on the coast of the state of São Paulo. At sunrise you can see an object (the author of the video called Elenin) the right of the sun (brighter) briefly.

In the comments to that video, another resident of the same place says he sees this phenomenon almost everyday when going to work.

I bring this video to the analysis of forum friends

zaoelvqZF5E

[McMaster]

I think everyone can believe anything they want, but ask yourself one question. If it is being captured by a webcam and cheap snapshot and mobile phone cameras, wouldn't anyone with any kind of telescope and a solar filter on it to be able to see it? Seriously, IF there is anything coming to us, then it will not be visible to anyone or any type of camera. Lens flares don't count. Otherwice it would be even on MSM. You would be surprised how many amateur telescopes and cameras are scanning the visible sky every night. Literally thousands.

[Nick Matkin]

I think everyone can believe anything they want, but ask yourself one question. If it is being captured by a webcam and cheap snapshot and mobile phone cameras, wouldn't anyone with any kind of telescope and a solar filter on it to be able to see it? Seriously, IF there is anything coming to us, then it will not be visible to anyone or any type of camera. Lens flares don't count. Otherwice it would be even on MSM. You would be surprised how many amateur telescopes and cameras are scanning the visible sky every night. Literally thousands.

I and others completely agree with you. Nevertheless no amount of stating the obvious stops these posts from appearing.

They're posted with good intentions, but perhaps not that many people have any idea about astronomy, basic celestial mechanics (like how come an object probably millions of miles away is only visible from one location) or the fact that it's not just NASA that watch the sky, but also thousands of amateur astronomers across the world.

Nick

[McMaster]

I and others completely agree with you. Nevertheless no amount of stating the obvious stops these posts from appearing.

They're posted with good intentions, but perhaps not that many people have any idea about astronomy, basic celestial mechanics (like how come an object probably millions of miles away is only visible from one location) or the fact that it's not just NASA that watch the sky, but also thousands of amateur astronomers across the world.

Nick

I read the thread a bit more carefully after posting and noticed that what I was saying had been said many times already. I have taken these photos myself, where there is a "second"sun, and honestly wanted it to be so at the time, but simple repeat and study of the pictures revealed to me, that it is only camera optics that do the trick.

https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2524/3700911228_3b2fca5fab_s.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/6D38Yh)org1 (https://flic.kr/p/6D38Yh) by McMastered (https://www.flickr.com/people/23023515@N07/), on Flickr

https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2604/3700911438_7e2b679429_s.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/6D392U)org2 (https://flic.kr/p/6D392U) by McMastered (https://www.flickr.com/people/23023515@N07/), on Flickr

https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2525/3700911676_c37859aaa2_s.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/6D3971)zoom1 (https://flic.kr/p/6D3971) by McMastered (https://www.flickr.com/people/23023515@N07/), on Flickr

https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2518/3700911830_63e2d5682f_s.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/6D399E)zoom2 (https://flic.kr/p/6D399E) by McMastered (https://www.flickr.com/people/23023515@N07/), on Flickr

And if you zoom in on the sun, and compare the cloud over the Sun to the clouds over the "second sun" they are identical. I confirmed this by taking other pics of the sun different time. These photos I took in 2009.