What is evil?

[KaiLee]

evil (adj.)
Old English yfel (Kentish evel) "bad, vicious, ill, wicked," from Proto-Germanic *ubilaz (cognates: Old Saxon ubil, Old Frisian and Middle Dutch evel, Dutch euvel, Old High German ubil, German übel, Gothic ubils), from PIE *upelo-, from root *wap- (cognates: Hittite huwapp- "evil").

"In OE., as in all the other early Teut. langs., exc. Scandinavian, this word is the most comprehensive adjectival expression of disapproval, dislike or disparagement" [OED]. Evil was the word the Anglo-Saxons used where we would use bad, cruel, unskillful, defective (adj.), or harm, crime, misfortune, disease (n.). The meaning "extreme moral wickedness" was in Old English, but did not become the main sense until 18c. Related: Evilly. Evil eye (Latin oculus malus) was Old English eage yfel. Evilchild is attested as an English surname from 13c.
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=evil

Not particularly helpful, except to note it is more of an action than a thing.

This defining of evil is something I have struggled with. Once in my life I truly believed I'd been touched by evil. However, decades later I found myself offering compassion to the human who embodied that evil. That human was dying and stated to me they were having dreams of going to hell. The action of that human had been evil throughout life. The being ... No, I don't think so.
When I look at that humans' life, I note their horrific personal history. Their experience of being touched by evil. Could it be a parasite? I'm not convinced. Too many touched by evil don't become infected.
The level of 'infection' is countered with circumstance, temperament, compassionate experience, intelligence etc etc.
I decided to tackle this from another perspective. What is good? Well that's easy. The Truth is the ultimate good. As in; know thyself, the truth shall set you free. Could that mean evil is a lie?
The Truth is not of 3D reality. Does that mean evil is only of this realm? Well my experience of I AM says there is absolutely no evil outside 3D reality.

I've recently been exploring the idea of evil being a symptom of 3D reality. The absence of acknowledgement of the Truth of ourselves. But the human striving for that something is still there. Could a lot of evil be misplaced effort? Focused on this reality for feelings of fullness, power, freedom?
Yes, there are the others who are fully aware of the truth and still choose evil action. Even create evil for their own purposes. And yes, there are experiences in the psychic realm that are considered evil. But I'm starting to suspect the psychic realm is far closer to this reality than the reality of Truth.
So... Is evil us? Our sickness shining through? Passed through the generations. Gathering strength as it ages. If that is true then there is hope. Because the Truth always wins. Truth shines brightest when evil takes its toll on the human soul.

Anyway, teach me something.

[GoodETxSG]

Dark = Complete Absence of Light
Evil = Complete Absence of Love
To put it as simply as possible... I think Einstine put it in similar terms in a college class according legend.

The Psychopath's I have met/worked with in my life time have demonstrated a complete vacuum of Love/Compassion that is for certain...

[joeecho]

Evil is a perception in which even the perceiver is suspect.

http://atlanticreligion.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/480px-ngc7293_2004.jpg?w=676

[Hawkwind]

For starts, I think these are questions that each of us has to answer for ourselves, and the answers change over time. I'm happy to share my current thoughts on the subject, but calling it "teaching" seems fairly presumptuous. I wouldn't go so far as to say that evil only exists in 3D reality, but it doesn't exist beyond dualistic states of consciousness. So, regardless of how we choose to define it, the means to transcend it is to dissolve that which separates us from I AM (unity consciousness/ God /the universe/ Atman- whatever you want to call it), and that which separates us is the ego.

As for being touched by evil. There are psychic entities (and/or ego defense mechanisms) which attempt to draw us into negative emotional states. The practice of being mindful, however, helps us resist such attacks.

[bearcow]

Michael Bay

[GK76]

My take:

Imagine a sliding scale, good to the far left, evil to the far right (duality), then there is also neutral in the middle (people seem to miss this bit, this makes polarity).

'You' judge your actions based on that scale, others also believe they have the right to judge your actions too. What funny creatures we have incarnated into, it's almost as if there is a rogue computer programme running the bio-electric robot. ;)

To you, your action/inaction may be a good deed, but it may annoy someone who is affected by that action/inaction, they will think it is evil. Effectively you have an action which can be, and is, both good and evil depending on the point of view (point of you).
Good and evil is ego judgement (that little rascal), it's worthless as it keeps us in the distraction created by duality.

Don't judge your actions or get caught up in the drama of others, just sit in the neutral singularity (or as close as we can get to it in this form) and just watch the drama unfold as day-after-day the others around you don't get the cosmic joke.

The majority of people are busy being distracted, they see the duality and pride themselves on their position within the scale. They rarely see the middle road, because there is no drama there, and the ego abhors boredom.

With meditation - you don't meditate, it happens to you. You remain neutral in the singularity of beingness (hint, hint). No taxing thoughts from the left logical side and no whining mewling from the right emotional side, just a still mind (neutral).

Left - Middle - Right
Good - Neutral - Evil
Male - Hermaphrodite - Female
ELectricity - ISness - RAdiation
Morning - Noon - Night
Masculine - Balance - Feminine

...and many more.

TPTW by way of events and news control love to keep us stuck in this duality thinking and avoid the neutral:

GOOD - EVIL (if you are not with us, you're against us)
Order - Chaos
Axis - Allies
Democrat - Republican
Christianity - Islam
Respect - Fear
War - Peace (one constantly awaits the other, I'll choose neither, thanks)
East - West
Democracy - Communism
White race - Black race (yes, it's a thing, who'd have thought?)
MSM - Alternative media (this one always makes me laugh)
Football team 1 vs. Football team 2
Pepsi - Coke (strange but true)

Is it a wave? Is it a particle? Is it a wave? Is it a particle? Yes, it's both and you are the reason either exists!

It seems the evidence of duality (polarity) is everywhere. Let's get the message we have left ourselves in this weird little creation of ours. There are many more messages to find if we approach life from a neutral perspective, the trouble is we just don't take the time to watch for them because we are so caught up in the drama of duality!

Back to the point - evil is nothing more than a word. It can only affect you if you define it and seek it through judgement. Or something like that, thought giving it life/energy and stuff... and other words of no real consequence, blah, blah, blah (I get bored with language, it's so restrictive).

Make of it what you will, this is just a perspective from this point of awareness. :)

[joeecho]

Just to clarify..................


http://media.veryfunnypics.eu/2012/08/funny-picture-the-pope-says-money-is-evil-give-it-to-us-555x449.jpg

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[ghostrider]

evil - live ... Evil spelled backwards is Live ... the ptb lie , spread fear , and disinformation to keep earth mankind from really living his/her life to the fullest ... therefore Evil to me is that which keeps one from living a full rich life , evolving as creation would have us do ... just like a small tree , grounded to earth , no two are the same , yet they all reach for the light and provide so many things for nature ...

[delfine]

evil - live ... Evil spelled backwards is Live ... the ptb lie , spread fear , and disinformation to keep earth mankind from really living his/her life to the fullest ... therefore Evil to me is that which keeps one from living a full rich life , evolving as creation would have us do ... just like a small tree , grounded to earth , no two are the same , yet they all reach for the light and provide so many things for nature ...

Evil spelled backwards is Live.....and? What does that prove? Ergo spelled backwards is Ogre...So what.

[ParakeetMGP]

It does look to me like trying to get the "Antonym" of the word "Live" to be "Evil" By re-arranging the spelling in reverse. I'm no expert on how the English language got its origin's. But the Templar Knights at such time was always using codes (I am trying to be learning about lately).

[yelik]

I think we need evil to understand good, we need good to understand evil, a sort of balance, but it's the nature of man. I think the we are currently biased towards evil since many leaders exhibit psychopathic tendencies. Not enough people are demanding change so we are not yet capable of pure good.

Unfortunately having a society of pure good may well expose the human race to threats from less friendly entities from our universe.

[Pam]

Evil is total service to self. I perceive a spectrum where service to self is at the far left and service to others on the far right. Although all of us practice service to self to some degree. when it is done exclusively, that is evil. Thinking about it in these terms takes judgement out of it to a degree.

[KaiLee]

I was thinking about the etymological definition. Isn't it strange that evil as a type of entity only came into being in modern times!

[Hogswitch]

Evil is somebody else's idea of what you shouldn't do or your idea of what they shouldn't do. Beyond that it has no reality. The rules of the game we're playing are negotiable.

Hog.

[donk]

To me evil is a conscious decision where the choice is made to knowingly remorsely harm another. The actor/chooser may not necessarily see the act as evil.

Beings that feed off my energy are "evil" to me, whether they realize it or not. I don't consider myself evil for eating this salmon, but would imagine I am evil from the salmon's perspective (were he able to empathize with me).

It's relative. And to realize that, and not take it personally, is key to living with little-to-no fear, which I find extraordinarily empowering.

[Rich]

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[Robin]

It does look to me like trying to get the "Antonym" of the word "Live" to be "Evil" By re-arranging the spelling in reverse. I'm no expert on how the English language got its origin's. But the Templar Knights at such time was always using codes (I am trying to be learning about lately).


I was thinking about the etymological definition. Isn't it strange that evil as a type of entity only came into being in modern times!

How do you define modern...?

'Evil" has been around since the genetic manipulation of human thousands of year ago, and that's only on this planet. "Evil" pervades the whole universe.

As ParakeetMGP has stated, evil is live backwards, which is not an accident. It is simply an archetypal mindset that focuses on Satanic principles. It's focusing on the physical over the spiritual and being in disharmony with Natural Law. It means consciously and willfully imposing harm on other sentient beings through the use of coercion, manipulation, deceit, and violence. It means stealing the natural rights away from a sovereign being. Instead of seeing "evil" as a label for a type of individual, try thinking of it as a way of being that anybody can express through their actions.

It really doesn't need to get more complicated than that...

[Frank V]

As ParakeetMGP has stated, evil is live backwards, which is not an accident.


Sorry Sam, but that is not correct. The English language is a Germanic language, and the word "evil" comes from the German word "Eufel" (pronounced in English as "oifel"), which means the same thing. This is also where the word "devil" comes from, by abridging the pronoun to a single letter and including that as part of the noun, which is something that occurs in many languages with pronouns.

in German: das eufel -> der Teufel (pronounced in English as "toifel")
in English: the evil -> the devil


In Dutch, we have the word "euvel" (pronounced in English more or less as "uh'vuh'l", with a longer sounding first syllable), which can mean anything from "a mishap" to "a catastrophe". The Dutch word for "devil" is "duivel" (pronounced in English somewhat like "duh'vuh'l", again with a longer sounding first syllable). Dutch is also a Germanic language and still sits closer to German than English.

That all said, it is not easy to describe evil, because it is a multidimensional concept. At the grander scale of things, there is no such thing as evil because everything in existence has its place in existence. Below that, there are multiple layers at which evil can manifest, and in different guises. Here on Earth, evil is considered "that which causes harm to others", and that may not necessarily be so narrow as "service to self". Lots of people commit acts of evil every day in service (or shall we say, servitude) to someone else. I therefore think that it's wiser to state that "service to self" is one of the causes of evil, rather than that it would be evil itself.

Beings who are service-to-self-oriented tend to commit evil acts, but in that particular case, one could posit that they are so oriented because they don't know any better. Without trying to toe the Christian party line here, this was, at least in part, what Yeshua (Jesus) felt, which is why he emphasized that forgiveness is important - "Forgive them, Father, for they know not what they are doing." Proponents of this theory - and this includes Bill Ryan himself - argue that if these people/beings become aware of what they are doing, and of how there is greater glory to be found in doing things the service-to-other way, then they would cease committing their acts of evil. So then in essence, all it takes for these beings/people to stop doing evil is to become more enlightened. They are the fallen ones, who lost their knowledge of what love is.

On the other hand, there are also beings out in the multiverse who strive for absolute chaos. Not because they would have fallen - at least, not in the sense that people generally think - but rather because they are the equivalent of what we call sociopaths - as we know, sociopathy is quite prevalent in the human society here on Earth, but Earth is not the only place where there are sociopaths. These souls have no empathy, but they do have Free Will, and they exercise their Free Will to the fullest, given that they are not hindered by compassion or love. Sociopathic beings may or may not have a system of ethics - quite different from our own - but this is optional and only depends on whether they act alone or within an organized structure. Those who strive for chaos don't necessarily exist in organized structures as they hate any kind of order. But of course, on the other hand, given that they don't have any love (and thus respect) within them, they are opportunistic and they may simply use the organized structure insofar as it helps them get to where they want to go.

This strive for absolute chaos, devoid of any ethics other than "I am the God of my own existence so I can do whatever I want", is the very tenet of Satanism.

[Frank V]

Evil is total service to self. I perceive a spectrum where service to self is at the far left and service to others on the far right. [...]

Politically, you have that backwards. :-)

On the political horizon - which is outdated, because political orientation is actually two-dimensional (with a North-South axis representing authoritarianism versus libertarianism) - the far left is communism, where all resources are considered the property of the state, and thus of every citizen in the nation. Ideally, according to communism, the resources would be distributed equally among everyone, so as to provide for the best possible consensus.

From that same point of view, the far right is a corporatist fascist system with unbridled capitalism, in which the individual entity comes first, and it is then believed that the cooperation between self-serving individual entities will provide for the best opportunities for everyone. This, of course, is also false, as we can see on the TV news and in the papers every day. :-)

[ghostrider]

evil - live ... Evil spelled backwards is Live ... the ptb lie , spread fear , and disinformation to keep earth mankind from really living his/her life to the fullest ... therefore Evil to me is that which keeps one from living a full rich life , evolving as creation would have us do ... just like a small tree , grounded to earth , no two are the same , yet they all reach for the light and provide so many things for nature ...

Evil spelled backwards is Live.....and? What does that prove? Ergo spelled backwards is Ogre...So what.

not proving anything , just using the nature of opposites , and I noticed the spelling and how if your living your life , not hurting yourself or others , and your a free person , using common sense , you can't be doing Evil your just living ... the ptb use Evil as a means of control , everyone wants to do good basically and everyone stays away from Evil , calling something Evil will influence actions ...

[raregem]

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Evil spelled backwards is Live.....and? What does that prove? Ergo spelled backwards is Ogre...So what.
I WONDERED THAT,TOO.

[Robin]

As ParakeetMGP has stated, evil is live backwards, which is not an accident.


Sorry Sam, but that is not correct. The English language is a Germanic language, and the word "evil" comes from the German word "Eufel" (pronounced in English as "oifel"), which means the same thing. This is also where the word "devil" comes from, by abridging the pronoun to a single letter and including that as part of the noun, which is something that occurs in many languages with pronouns.
[LIST]
in German: das eufel -> der Teufel (pronounced in English as "toifel")
in English: the evil -> the devil


I disagree. Although your logic does make sense when looking back into etymological history, there is more to language than simple derivations that change with time.

Anagrams, Double entendres, Spoonerisms, Puns, and other Rhetorical devices have also been leached into languages, deliberately and meticulously. I'm not even going to explain this further, as I don't feel the need to. It is foolish to think that languages are only the product of etymological derivation.

Languages are cleverly crafted to divide people, to confuse people, to harness the human subconscious, and to spread thoughts and intentions that have roots within the nature of our reality. Sure, the word evil has etymological roots as you have stated, but that is only ONE part of the overall picture. There are many layers to the control scheme on Earth. You have described evil exoterically, but let us not forget to analyze it esoterically.

[Shezbeth]

So are you suggesting that there is a correlation between the word 'Good' and the 'Doog' from Doogie Houser MD because they're the inverse of eachother? Is that a subliminal control method to get us to identify with juvenile doctor television shows from the 90's?

[Omni]

To me evil is basically the absence of empathy and morals in actions leading to severe negative factors in other's lives. Evil is something like sabotaging the DNA of a race. It exists out in the universe.

However evil is a matter of perspective. To certain reptile ETs their version of evil might be things of holistic/divine nature that are good for races like us. The reason why I find evil wrong is because of it's effects on others. I believe very few humans are actually evil, and those that are might all be mind controlled in ways. Kind of like the US mind control operatives who negate empathy(if they have it to begin with) to be able to accept doing cruel and horrible acts.

It isn't wrong to have a perspective IMO(IE: Evil is just a perspective). I do not believe pure evil is a big part of human nature...

[sound consciousness]

I think EVIL is shown by people who have no love are non compassionate and not altruistic. Therefore they suffer from hate , no compassion and want to harm people . The interesting thing is where does evil come from? , it comes from negative thought , and comes fro the negative pyramid of the brain...T-REX BRAIN...Amygdala and fear, so evil people are fearful and have a low harmonic of sound inside them , this eventually puts the light out as light vibrates at the atomic level .....all they think about is their own ego and survival and are totally selfish S.C.

[Deega]

Neuroscientists say that "evil" doesn't exist, they have another word for it, "nonempath", here is an interesting perspective of it.

http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/the_spectator/2011/09/does_evil_exist_neuroscientists_say_no_.single.html?wp_login_redirect=0

[Wind]

Evil is to cause harm others intentionally, but forgiven are those who do not understand what they do. I've always been interested in human psychology and I find it interesting that there can be humans with no empathy towards others when there are very empathetic and loving people who suffer on behalf of others. The psycho souls have separated so far from the original source that their souls are black as charcoals and even they once were pure souls. Usually they have massive egos too and they're imprisoned by their insane condition. They just take because that's the only thing they know. Eventually they will get polarized enough or they will dissolve, but karma will always be paid in a way or another and I don't envy them. I think that in this game of duality there must be polar opposites always. Day and night, light and dark, hot and cold, female and male etc.

[Agape]

Profound misunderstanding perhaps ? A misunderstanding of misunderstanding of misunderstanding ..

Misunderstanding that has beginning and end is a mistake, and mistakes can be repaired . Misunderstanding you dwell on without remorse can turn to an evil.
The term 'evil' is close to lies and violence for me , lies are where it starts though .

A lie or say, false conviction may seem to be innocent at start but it sooner or later turns to injustice and then to violence because there are no clever means to fit lies with truth , without twisting truth at some point .

The faith in evil itself is an evil. It's a dogma that every isolated society creates to protect its truth - the truth of its disability - twisted truth of its own impotence presented as 'omnipotence' . Thus , all kinds of outsiders to such society are portrayed as possible 'evil' .

I come from that perspective where Life is inherently good, in its Source and expressions .. and I don't believe in inherent duality of life in the Universe neither I'm aware of such to exist .

Yet .. I am aware ..of people who who live by continual sense of self-deception ,
by faith , very basic to many human societies who taught them to believe in friends and enemies , in solidified duality of mind and matter , illusion that needs to be kept intact so that 'their' little big world can keep going as it always did,
hurting some so that others can live better ,
and passing the torch to make sure others will continue in the same style happily in future . Teaching people that the world has always been 'such' and so it must stay .

There is always a big or small twist in heart of every 'evil'.

Whether this is twist in the DNA that does not permit people to see things straight , and do the right thing or an influence they pass to each other, matters little at the end . Because somewhere in between ... we all have the chance to say no,

no to the lies . Lies , seemingly innocent , views that do not match reality, lies you don't expect from intelligent individuals to hold on and spread .

Move on from the old smelly fears and prejudice to what you really know to be true ,
it's not the Sun and the Moon, not Saturn or Mars, not the Draco galaxy , ghosts and spirits , earthquakes and floods , but if your ancestors thought that any of these were caused by 'big evil' , and when they taught there are 'evil aliens' causing all the trouble , and every decent person eXcept one or two pure souls believed this to be true,

where is your Mind ?


A self-convicted person is a convict , still...


:popcorn:

[Milneman]

Evil is total service to self. I perceive a spectrum where service to self is at the far left and service to others on the far right. Although all of us practice service to self to some degree. when it is done exclusively, that is evil. Thinking about it in these terms takes judgement out of it to a degree.

So the martyr who, in serving themselves, serves others to gratify their own needs for martyrdom is....?

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Evil is somebody else's idea of what you shouldn't do or your idea of what they shouldn't do. Beyond that it has no reality. The rules of the game we're playing are negotiable.

Hog.

Is that negotiable?

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So are you suggesting that there is a correlation between the word 'Good' and the 'Doog' from Doogie Houser MD because they're the inverse of eachother? Is that a subliminal control method to get us to identify with juvenile doctor television shows from the 90's?

I'd say more that it's symptomatic of a failing, namely accepting a kind of relativism that has completely clouded any kind of rational judgement. Or I've had too much Dr. Loosen. Which is Nesool Rd. backwards.

Which actually if you think about it could be the work around for using foul language on the forum! Simply write it backwards!

!em kcuf

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To me evil is basically the absence of empathy and morals in actions leading to severe negative factors in other's lives. Evil is something like sabotaging the DNA of a race. It exists out in the universe.

However evil is a matter of perspective. To certain reptile ETs their version of evil might be things of holistic/divine nature that are good for races like us. The reason why I find evil wrong is because of it's effects on others. I believe very few humans are actually evil, and those that are might all be mind controlled in ways. Kind of like the US mind control operatives who negate empathy(if they have it to begin with) to be able to accept doing cruel and horrible acts.

It isn't wrong to have a perspective IMO(IE: Evil is just a perspective). I do not believe pure evil is a big part of human nature...

I can't agree more. I think selfish desire is actually more active than evil, and we just akin the word "evil" to actions that seem selfish without consideration of others. I won't say service to self. That's a bandwagon I will not climb on. But I can spell swear words backwards. !lleh gnikcuf

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My favourite definition is from C. S. Lewis: simply put, evil is the privation of good.

[Pris]

For anyone interested in 'word play', you might want to consider the work/videos of Santos Bonacci, Robert Morning Sky, and Jordan Maxwell. :)

[delfine]

evil - live ... Evil spelled backwards is Live ... the ptb lie , spread fear , and disinformation to keep earth mankind from really living his/her life to the fullest ... therefore Evil to me is that which keeps one from living a full rich life , evolving as creation would have us do ... just like a small tree , grounded to earth , no two are the same , yet they all reach for the light and provide so many things for nature ...

Evil spelled backwards is Live.....and? What does that prove? Ergo spelled backwards is Ogre...So what.

not proving anything , just using the nature of opposites , and I noticed the spelling and how if your living your life , not hurting yourself or others , and your a free person , using common sense , you can't be doing Evil your just living ... the ptb use Evil as a means of control , everyone wants to do good basically and everyone stays away from Evil , calling something Evil will influence actions ...

I still don´t understand your point. The fact that evil is live spelled backward shows...that the opposite of evil is live? Or that you have to be evil to live?
God spelled backwards is dog. What does that mean using your logic?

[donk]

I still don´t understand your point. The fact that evil is live spelled backward shows...that the opposite of evil is live? Or that you have to be evil to live?
God spelled backwards is dog. What does that mean using your logic?


You're talking about SPELLing, so the answers to your questions are dependent on INTENT of the SPELLer.

[Pris]

evil - live ... Evil spelled backwards is Live ... the ptb lie , spread fear , and disinformation to keep earth mankind from really living his/her life to the fullest ... therefore Evil to me is that which keeps one from living a full rich life , evolving as creation would have us do ... just like a small tree , grounded to earth , no two are the same , yet they all reach for the light and provide so many things for nature ...

Evil spelled backwards is Live.....and? What does that prove? Ergo spelled backwards is Ogre...So what.

not proving anything , just using the nature of opposites , and I noticed the spelling and how if your living your life , not hurting yourself or others , and your a free person , using common sense , you can't be doing Evil your just living ... the ptb use Evil as a means of control , everyone wants to do good basically and everyone stays away from Evil , calling something Evil will influence actions ...

I still don´t understand your point. The fact that evil is live spelled backward shows...that the opposite of evil is live? Or that you have to be evil to live?
God spelled backwards is dog. What does that mean using your logic?

The fact is the word 'dog' is in the word 'dogma'.

Apparently, it is no accident how our languages/words/spellings 'developed'.

When we spell a word, we are making a 'spell'.

'Evil' and 'live', 'God and 'dog' are just the tip of the iceberg.

Of course, this is not 'just' about words spelled forwards and backwards that reveal hidden meaning in plain sight. It's about the meaning behind the words we use every day without realizing what they 'really' mean.

Examples:

corps -- dead body
eg. corporation

mortgage -- death pledge

understand -- stand under

government -- control the mind

apocalypse -- lifting of the veil

IMO, Santos Bonacci, Jordan Maxwell, and Robert Morning Sky are great teachers when it comes to this tremendously interesting subject. :)

http://jojofeelings.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/angelsanddemons_illuminati.jpg

[araucaria]

The fact is the word 'dog' is in the word 'dogma'.

Apparently, it is no accident how our languages/words/spellings 'developed'.

When we spell a word, we are making a 'spell'.

'Evil' and 'live', 'God and 'dog' are just the tip of the iceberg.

Of course, this is not 'just' about words spelled forwards and backwards that reveal hidden meaning in plain sight. It's about the meaning behind the words we use every day without realizing what they 'really' mean.

Examples:

corps -- dead body
eg. corporation

mortgage -- death pledge

understand -- stand under

government -- control the mind

apocalypse -- lifting of the veil

IMO, Santos Bonacci, Jordan Maxwell, and Robert Morning Sky are great teachers when it comes to this tremendously interesting subject. :)


I answered some of this stuff last month here:


Samwise, your thoughts on language are very welcome. You basically present two insights into language, not one, and as a language specialist myself, I would comment differently on each. While broadly in agreement with the second, I have to disagree with your first point, but I think you will find my disagreement highly empowering. I think one needs to beware of the Jordan Maxwell brand of popular etymology. He means well, but he simply does not understand how languages evolve. The Tower of Babel was perhaps a controlled demolition of communications, but there is nothing contrived about the outcome of a demolition. A demolition is by definition the passage from the orderly state of metal beams, concrete slabs etc. to a cloud of rubble. What happens to the rubble is uncontrolled and depends on outside circumstances. Some may fall over water and get wet; some may rise up in the wind and be scattered over a long distance, while the rest lands in a hopelessly disordered heap on the spot, where if left alone, it might evolve into a semi-natural pyramid.

Take Latin, spoken across the Roman Empire. As the empire crumbled, it evolved differently in various places that were no longer in communication – into French, Spanish and Italian. Far from being contrived, these languages evolved as the people spoke them, while the PTB continued to operate in Latin. You find large numbers of popular terms gradually becoming more acceptable; this is language rising from the grassroots. Let me give you an example. The French word tête meaning head has replaced the word chef (which is all we have left from the Latin caput). It comes from the Latin testa meaning shell and hence skull; imagine the informal word ‘nut’ gradually becoming the accepted English word for the head. Le chef is the chief or the boss, so we see both how popular language takes over, and how abstract ideas are conveyed by outmoded concrete terminology. Now take the word gouvernail, which has nothing to do with government (gouvernement): it simply means a rudder; so, etymologically speaking, a government would actually be no more than a steering committee, but for the authoritarian behaviour of leaders like the ‘Great Helmsman’ Chairman Mao. In other words, it is not our language subverting our culture, it is our controllers’ behaviour that is subverting our language and trying to wrench it out of our hands. I’m afraid Maxwell and Passio are falling into this trap. Similarly, the suffix –ment (Latin –mentum, which is neuter in gender) has nothing to do with mens mentis, a feminine noun meaning mind. It is actually derived from –men, itself derived from the Greek suffix –ma, which is merely a suffix, carrying no more meaning than the English plural –s. You need to understand that parts of a sign system have always served a purely grammatical purpose. For example, Egyptian hieroglyphs use a box called a cartouche to tell you that it contains someone’s name. So in actual fact, to claim that government is not simply steerage but mind control is in itself a subliminal form of mind control – reverse engineering language to match the current reality. True government is steering a course and we are getting back to that.

[aheb]

IMO, Santos Bonacci, Jordan Maxwell, and Robert Morning Sky are great teachers when it comes to this tremendously interesting subject. :)

Well to take jordan Maxwell as one example ,he is not a great teacher. I watched his utube videos with great interest and I noticed one very telling error.......he talked about the Dalai Lama and gave a totally incorrect translation and meaning to the name.Dalai Lama is a mongolian title meaning "great ocean" and is fairly well known, that led me to look at further things he said and I stumbled upon a lot of utube vids debunking him
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVV0_mNcJlw

I get the impression that Santos Bonacci has copied Jordan...........and I'd just like to see how well he does in court using Jordan's arguments. I like the idea of using common law arguments against Admiralty law, but what is practiced as law now is established whether it came from common law or admiralty law, and you won't win a case against a good barrister using obscure laws that nobody has looked at, let alone studied.

[Robin]

Samwise, your thoughts on language are very welcome. You basically present two insights into language, not one, and as a language specialist myself, I would comment differently on each. While broadly in agreement with the second, I have to disagree with your first point, but I think you will find my disagreement highly empowering. I think one needs to beware of the Jordan Maxwell brand of popular etymology. He means well, but he simply does not understand how languages evolve. The Tower of Babel was perhaps a controlled demolition of communications, but there is nothing contrived about the outcome of a demolition. A demolition is by definition the passage from the orderly state of metal beams, concrete slabs etc. to a cloud of rubble. What happens to the rubble is uncontrolled and depends on outside circumstances. Some may fall over water and get wet; some may rise up in the wind and be scattered over a long distance, while the rest lands in a hopelessly disordered heap on the spot, where if left alone, it might evolve into a semi-natural pyramid.

Take Latin, spoken across the Roman Empire. As the empire crumbled, it evolved differently in various places that were no longer in communication – into French, Spanish and Italian. Far from being contrived, these languages evolved as the people spoke them, while the PTB continued to operate in Latin. You find large numbers of popular terms gradually becoming more acceptable; this is language rising from the grassroots. Let me give you an example. The French word tête meaning head has replaced the word chef (which is all we have left from the Latin caput). It comes from the Latin testa meaning shell and hence skull; imagine the informal word ‘nut’ gradually becoming the accepted English word for the head. Le chef is the chief or the boss, so we see both how popular language takes over, and how abstract ideas are conveyed by outmoded concrete terminology. Now take the word gouvernail, which has nothing to do with government (gouvernement): it simply means a rudder; so, etymologically speaking, a government would actually be no more than a steering committee, but for the authoritarian behaviour of leaders like the ‘Great Helmsman’ Chairman Mao. In other words, it is not our language subverting our culture, it is our controllers’ behaviour that is subverting our language and trying to wrench it out of our hands. I’m afraid Maxwell and Passio are falling into this trap. Similarly, the suffix –ment (Latin –mentum, which is neuter in gender) has nothing to do with mens mentis, a feminine noun meaning mind. It is actually derived from –men, itself derived from the Greek suffix –ma, which is merely a suffix, carrying no more meaning than the English plural –s. You need to understand that parts of a sign system have always served a purely grammatical purpose. For example, Egyptian hieroglyphs use a box called a cartouche to tell you that it contains someone’s name. So in actual fact, to claim that government is not simply steerage but mind control is in itself a subliminal form of mind control – reverse engineering language to match the current reality. True government is steering a course and we are getting back to that.


araucaria, I acknowledged this response on the Here and Now thread when you posted it, but didn't want to challenge your argument on such a thread. Your intelligent and respectful response is warmly met, but I must disagree with you on certain points. You and Aragorn have both presented concise arguments to suggest that languages are constructed in more of a linear fashion rather than including heavy rhetorical word-play, which I respect, but I still disagree with.

You and Aragorn are both using exoteric logic to break down languages, but you are overlooking the mindset of the people who are controlling this planet. They utilize symbolism, metaphor, alliteration, and word-play to uphold their intentions in ways that the human subconscious feels, but the conscious fails to express or fully understand.

Mark Passio, Michael Tsarion, Jordan Maxwell, Santos Bonacci, and others have it right. They have analyzed languages on both an exoteric and esoteric level, and have made a significant breakthrough in the understanding of language, which is the driving force for how humans express and understand the nature of their reality. They are not the ones who have it wrong, rather, I feel that you are using logic to understand exotericism while disregarding the other (more important) half of reality: esotericism.

You have mentioned that you consider yourself as a language specialist, which I am interested in learning more about. J.R.R. Tolkien was also a language specialist, and was a professional philologist who taught at Oxford.

Tolkien's languages are immensely beautiful and intricate. There is hardly a word in any of his languages that was not intended to have a specific purpose. Because his languages have evolved over the course of a few decades, unlike modern languages which have been developing for thousands of years, it is easy to see how a language can contain words that are direct seeds of Latin/Greek/Old English, etc. while still containing word-play.

I have analyzed Tolkien's works more in depth than anybody else I have ever heard of, unless they have yet to show themselves. I can provide arguments supporting my claim through many examples in Tolkien's languages, but I don't feel the need to do so. Why would you even argue against the notion that government etymologically means "mind-control"? When you use logic to understand language, and you understand the mindset of these psychopaths, it should be pretty clear that this is what they intended "government" to mean.

For instance, let's examine the etymology of the character Samwise Gamgee.

On an exoteric level, that is, deriving from other languages:

According to lotr.wikia.com (http://lotr.wikia.com/wiki/Samwise_Gamgee):




"In the Appendix F (http://lotr.wikia.com/wiki/Appendix_F) of The Lord of the Rings, Tolkien tells us that the Westron (http://lotr.wikia.com/wiki/Westron)form of Sam's name is Banazîr Galbasi (also spelled Galpsi). Banazîr comes from elements meaning "halfwise" or "simple"; Tolkien replaced it with Samwise, a modernization of the ancient English samwís which corresponds closely in meaning. Galbasi comes from the name of the village Galabas. The name Galabas uses the elements galab-, meaning "game", and bas-, corresponding somewhat to "-wich" or "-wick". Tolkien's English translation, Samwís Gamwich, could have come to Samwise Gamgee in modern English. Sam is also known as Perhael in Sindarin."

Also, from tolkiengateway.net:



J.R.R. Tolkien (http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/J.R.R._Tolkien) took the name from Gamgee Tissue, a surgical dressing invented by a 19th century Birmingham (http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Birmingham)surgeon called Joseph Sampson Gamgee. "Gamgee" became the colloquial name in Birmingham for cotton wool. Here, Tolkien describes why he had chosen that name for his character:




"The choice of Gamgee was primarily directed by alliteration; but I did not invent it. It was caught out of childhood memory, as a comic word or name. It was in fact the name when I was small (in Birmingham) for 'cotton-wool'. (Hence the association of the Gamgees with the Cottons.) I knew nothing of its origin."

― The Letters of J.R.R. Tolkien (http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/The_Letters_of_J.R.R._Tolkien)

On an esoteric level, that is, deriving from a more hidden, symbolic source:

I personally speculate that Samwise is word-play for swami (http://www.thefreedictionary.com/swami):




swa·mi (swäm)
n. pl. swa·mis
1. Hinduism A religious teacher.
2. A mystic; a yogi.
3. Used as a form of address for such a person.

[Hindi svm: master, swami, from Sanskrit, being one's own master, possessing proprietary rights; see s(w)e- in Indo-European roots]

Samwise=Swami

When you simply drop the "e" from Samwise, and rearrange the letters, you get Swami.

This makes perfect sense when you have spent as much time a I have deciphering the works of Tolkien. On an esoteric level, Tolkien's Middle-earth legendarium is a fictional representation of the true history of humanity and this planet. Not only was Tolkien a well-read individual, he was also a Freemason in the Hermetic Order of the Hermetic Dawn (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermetic_Order_of_the_Golden_Dawn), and he had special access to the hidden library of the Vatican. He knew what was truly going on in this world and he hid it in plain sight within his works, if you know what to look for.

The hobbit race represents the masses of humans on this planet who are caught up in ignorance, and consider themselves "too small" to make a difference in the world. The four hobbits (Frodo, Samwise, Merry, and Pippin), represent the three aspects of EVERY single human.

Frodo=Sacred Masculine, FATHER, ACTION
Samwise=Sacred Feminine, HOLY SPIRIT, EMOTIONS
Merry and Pippin=Sacred Child, SON, THOUGHTS

They collectively symbolize the true Trinity (thoughts, emotions, actions), which when applied together in harmony, make up a full human being. Once humans gain a higher form of consciousness by linking together all aspects of our psyche, which is represented though the journey of the four hobbits in the Lord of the Rings, we can ascend (evolve) to a higher state of being (Tolkien's grey havens).

Merry and Pippin must form the thoughts of self-sovereignty, Samwise must feel emotions of care and compassion to want to become sovereign, and Frodo must perform action to destroy the ego. It's that simple.

In the story, Samwise is Frodo's caretaker/sidekick/gardener/servant. Because Tolkien intended Samwise to be a Swami -- which means "one's own master" -- by placing Samwise in the story as Frodo's servant, and because Frodo and Samwise are both aspects of the SAME individual psyche, Tolkien intended this to mean:

You are your own master.

[Milneman]

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[ghostrider]

evil - live ... Evil spelled backwards is Live ... the ptb lie , spread fear , and disinformation to keep earth mankind from really living his/her life to the fullest ... therefore Evil to me is that which keeps one from living a full rich life , evolving as creation would have us do ... just like a small tree , grounded to earth , no two are the same , yet they all reach for the light and provide so many things for nature ...

Evil spelled backwards is Live.....and? What does that prove? Ergo spelled backwards is Ogre...So what.

not proving anything , just using the nature of opposites , and I noticed the spelling and how if your living your life , not hurting yourself or others , and your a free person , using common sense , you can't be doing Evil your just living ... the ptb use Evil as a means of control , everyone wants to do good basically and everyone stays away from Evil , calling something Evil will influence actions ...

I still don´t understand your point. The fact that evil is live spelled backward shows...that the opposite of evil is live? Or that you have to be evil to live?
God spelled backwards is dog. What does that mean using your logic?

What is Evil ??? anything that goes against Nature or the natural evolution of all living things ... it's natural to live - be free- care for your surroundings and those less fortunate ... to do the OPPOSITE , to spread death , be enslaved , destroy your surroundings , puke on those less fortunate would be EVIL so the opposite of Evil would be to LIVE = turn it around = Live , and let the natural evolution of things be as nature intended ... I was using the other side of the coin thinking ... yin and yang ... balance ... thinking in a different way ... my own ...

[Shezbeth]

From the Encyclopedia of FA

Evil - A classification of observable behaviors and phenomenon and/or perceived/theoretical dispositions that the subject(s) making the classification find to be dogmatically abhorrent, unsupportable, non-conducive, and condemnable largely through a combination of nescience, ignorance, and a lack of consideration as pertains to the etymology of the behavior/disposition in question. Specifically, an individual/group violation of a subject's moral beliefs/perceptions.

Don't worry, no one liked it last time I posted it either. Xp

[Pris]

From the Encyclopedia of FA

Evil - A classification of observable behaviors and phenomenon and/or perceived/theoretical dispositions that the subject(s) making the classification find to be dogmatically abhorrent, unsupportable, non-conducive, and condemnable largely through a combination of nescience, ignorance, and a lack of consideration as pertains to the etymology of the behavior/disposition in question. Specifically, an individual/group violation of a subject's moral beliefs/perceptions.

Don't worry, no one liked it last time I posted it either. Xp

I think I need the 'for dummies' version. :tongue1:

[araucaria]

@Samwise http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?74665-What-is-evil&p=875165&viewfull=1#post875165

Thank you Samwise, I’m glad to have given you this opportunity to express yourself more fully. My response is too lengthy for this thread, so I am moving it to my own thread, over here: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?74722-Money-the-taproot-of-all-evil-or-fossil-virus&p=875422&viewfull=1#post875422

[sound consciousness]

What is evil? a very good question.it is a dualistic state of consciousness, linked to the absence of love , but also linked to negative thought of pride, hate selfishness, mammon etc. Where do these negative thoughts and action come from?, it is what I call the negative triangle in the brain, Reptilian brain, Ego, and fear/ amgdala, put the 3 together and you get a vicious circle syndrome. A service to self based on non compassion , no love and a prisoner to self ....the low vibration within is in contradiction to the I AM unity consciousness , or infinite consciousness....

[Shezbeth]

I think I need the 'for dummies' version. :tongue1:

Evil - What one person (or group) says of (an)others behavior, strategy, disposition, choices, etc. that they don't like (vehemently).

[KaiLee]

I must disagree with the simplicity of your answer there Shezbeth. I might dislike your behaviour towards others but I won't necessarily call it evil. If however, I see premeditated action to manipulate a situation for the purpose of causing serious harm to others, then evil might be a description I could use.

[Shezbeth]

I must disagree with the simplicity of your answer there Shezbeth. I might dislike your behaviour towards others but I won't necessarily call it evil. If however, I see premeditated action to manipulate a situation for the purpose of causing serious harm to others, then evil might be a description I could use.

Here we go again,....

I understand and appreciate the reasoning from which you are want to make such a characterization, and it beautifully illustrates my expounded definition.

The behavior you describe is - to you (and many/most) - intolerable, unsupportable, et al; I don't contest that. The problem is that your position is subjective, whereas the term 'evil' is (without qualifier) objective.

Saying "I think, find, observe, perceive, etc. said behavior to be evil," (or something comparable) is perfectly fine, as it states the opinionated use of the classification. However, the overwhelming majority of individuals who use the term 'evil' do so without recognizing or appreciating the subjectivity of their opinion. My definition simply accommodates that, though perhaps I could have used the term 'vehemently'.

[KaiLee]

Hmmm what's the word for one who likes to play word games.Lol

I'm sure you'll advise me if I'm wrong, but the only way your description is objective is because you are describing the thoughts and behaviours of others rather than discussing how you personally would describe evil as experienced by yourself.

Enough of that worm hole.

Evil to me is the pursuit of power(s) at the expense of others.

[Pris]

I think I need the 'for dummies' version. :tongue1:

Evil - What one person (or group) says of (an)others behavior, strategy, disposition, choices, etc. that they don't like (vehemently).

LOL! I meant that as a joke. But, thanks anyway. This is a nice definition.

I was wondering as I'm reading this, can't 'evil' simply exist on its own without someone having to point a finger and go, "Ah, hah! Evil!"

I mean... there is this bird I know (I'm not joking). I swear that it is evil, and that it itself knows it is evil, and it is very pleased with itself for being evil. Of course, it could simply be a deranged creature... ;)

[KaiLee]

That's kinda what I was asking Pris. Does evil exist of itself. Unfortunately, your example still points a finger, even if it is at a bird. Evil always seems to exist as an action of another..... And for Shezbeths benefit.... The perception of that action.

Isn't it then reasonable to ask then, if evil actually exists at all.

Quick, someone else make comment before I continue to repeatedly contradict myself.

[Pris]

That's kinda what I was asking Pris. Does evil exist of itself. Unfortunately, your example still points a finger, even if it is at a bird. Evil always seems to exist as an action of another..... And for Shezbeths benefit.... The perception of that action.

Isn't it then reasonable to ask then, if evil actually exists at all.

Quick, someone else make comment before I continue to repeatedly contradict myself.

Hilarious! :biggrin1: I knew somebody would point out that this so-called 'evil' bird only exists as evil in my own eyes.

Seriously, this creature is anti-love. It is intelligent. It clings to one 'master'. It viciously attacks everyone else. If it can't get you, it attacks the master. It pretends to be friendly and cute to lure you in only to try to take one of your fingers off. When loose, it used to attack by air. Now, it can barely hobble and it attacks from the ground. It's really a pathetic, dried-up crust of a creature. Say 'hi' to it and it says 'hi' back. It yearns for love and attention, but would just as soon pull out your eye-balls.

[KaiLee]

Lol.... Poor birdy. Living in the chaotic human world where monogamy is not understood at all.
I'll give you a pass on the evil bird Pris. Hahahaha....