Hawking says a big enough particle accelerator could destroy the universe.

[Hogswitch]

The 'God Particle' discovered by scientists in 2012 has the power to destroy the universe, Professor Stephen Hawking has warned.
The physicist said that at very high energy levels the Higgs boson could become unstable, causing a "catastrophic vacuum decay" that would cause space and time to collapse.
The possibility of this happening is extremely unlikely, he stresses, as scientists do not yet have a particle accelerator large enough to create such conditions.
He makes the comments in a new book Starmus: 50 Years of Man in Space, a collection of essays by scientists and astronomers... https://uk.news.yahoo.com/god-particle-could-destroy-universe-warns-stephen-hawking-131756210.html#mcxdWdw

[Skyhaven]

Could be, kind of hard to verify this by experiment though... http://www.allsmileys.com/files/kolobok/icq/37.gif

[Maunagarjana]

There's just a little something that that Mr. Hawking hasn't factored into his equations. That the Creator of the universe isn't interested in having it's creation destroyed by some talking monkeys on a backwater planet screwing around with crude technology. Suffice to say, it's not going to happen.

[Natalia]

There's just a little something that that Mr. Hawking hasn't factored into his equations. That the Creator of the universe isn't interested in having it's creation destroyed by some talking monkeys on a backwater planet screwing around with crude technology. Suffice to say, it's not going to happen.

That was so nice to hear.

[EC1000]

I think its kind of hard for anyone to say we could destroy the universe when we hardly know anything about it. Its like an ant trying to big a HUGE breadcrumb into a big ant hill and another ant saying, "careful bud, you may destroy all of creation with that thing"

[Agape]

Do you want to hear the truth ? ;) They've never caught the real 'Higgs Boson' ( the God Particle ) quite yet .. sure they said they were close to it and received Nobel Price but ..remember it's a hypothetical particle .. and the pinnacle of that theory says that there maybe also one - single original of the Higgs Boson particle in known Universe ,
the rest of them are meagre photocopies .
The original 'Higgs Boson' is hypothetical singularity that predated the creation of this Universe , responsible for all its following vectors , spins and quantum splits .

The 'original ' is most probably long gone since ... though ... there's another , equally hypothetical option to it and that is , the original singularity of infinitely small mass and infinitely great speed flying around the space ( somewhat like Harry Potters 'goldie' in the wizards space polo game ) and it's extremely hard to catch .

http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll256/PaldenLhamo/Unknown_zps3799b23c.jpeg (http://s290.photobucket.com/user/PaldenLhamo/media/Unknown_zps3799b23c.jpeg.html)


Whoever would capture the original Higgs Boson in their particle accelerator ( the butterfly net ) could possibly restart , destroy , the Universe .. that's definitely a hypothetical option.

But ... it's not going to happen ... it's just a joke .


:victory:

[Hogswitch]

I think its kind of hard for anyone to say we could destroy the universe when we hardly know anything about it. Its like an ant trying to big a HUGE breadcrumb into a big ant hill and another ant saying, "careful bud, you may destroy all of creation with that thing"

People might once have have said the same thing about destroying the planet with technology but it's a terrifyingly realistic possibility now.

Hog.

[EC1000]

I think its kind of hard for anyone to say we could destroy the universe when we hardly know anything about it. Its like an ant trying to big a HUGE breadcrumb into a big ant hill and another ant saying, "careful bud, you may destroy all of creation with that thing"

People might once have have said the same thing about destroying the planet with technology but it's a terrifyingly realistic possibility now.

Hog.

I agree with you there but we know a lot more about our own planet and dare I add solar system then we do about the entirety of the universe. Not that i'm saying I think mega large partical accelerators or exactly safe devices.

I wouldnt want to live anywhere near one!!

[Cardillac]

just because Stephen Hawking is in a wheel chair/physically disabled, professes to know this or that about physics, etc. doesn't mean he's accurate about anything;

we all tend to be fooled by physically disabled people presented in the MSM; we all tend to think that these 'poor souls' are automatically truth-tellers; they are not-

Stephen Hawking cannot be poor monetarily (he has bogus "science" behind him) nor can supposedly blind opera singer Andrea Boccelli; both are products of MSM marketing-

I could go on and on...

when will people/the masses wake up?

Larry

[Hogswitch]

just because Stephen Hawking is in a wheel chair/physically disabled, professes to know this or that about physics, etc. doesn't mean he's accurate about anything;
Because being physically disabled and in a wheelchair is a real boost to anybody's credibility right? I don't think so. We don't pay attention to him because he's disabled we pay attention because he is a well qualified, well respected theoretical physicist and cosmologist.

Hog.

[Maunagarjana]

just because Stephen Hawking is in a wheel chair/physically disabled, professes to know this or that about physics, etc. doesn't mean he's accurate about anything;

we all tend to be fooled by physically disabled people presented in the MSM; we all tend to think that these 'poor souls' are automatically truth-tellers; they are not-

Stephen Hawking cannot be poor monetarily (he has bogus "science" behind him) nor can supposedly blind opera singer Andrea Boccelli; both are products of MSM marketing-

I could go on and on...

when will people/the masses wake up?

Larry


According to this site Celebrity Net Worth that purports, based on their research, to give an estimate of the wealth of public figures, Stephen Hawking is worth 20 Million. Not too shabby (it's his soul that is in disrepair, not his bank account.) http://www.celebritynetworth.com/richest-celebrities/stephen-hawking-net-worth/

Lately, I've been exploring this site, and there are lots of surprises. Like, I didn't know Vladimir Putin was worth 70 Billion, which is apparently more than Warren Buffett. Of course, I do believe most of the world's uber-wealthy conceal how much they really have.

[Skyhaven]

Although I admire theoretical physicist for their work I am not sure what to think of launching theories that can't be proven (only unless it is to late)... sure if he has solid theoretical evidence, he should warn us, but the 'could be' statement he has made on the subject implies that he doesn't have solid theoretical evidence. The question I then have; is getting everybody worried about it justifiable without solid theoretical proof?

[Agape]

According to this site Celebrity Net Worth that purports, based on their research, to give an estimate of the wealth of public figures, Stephen Hawking is worth 20 Million. Not too shabby (it's his soul that is in disrepair, not his bank account.) http://www.celebritynetworth.com/richest-celebrities/stephen-hawking-net-worth/

Lately, I've been exploring this site, and there are lots of surprises. Like, I didn't know Vladimir Putin was worth 70 Billion, which is apparently more than Warren Buffett. Of course, I do believe most of the world's uber-wealthy conceal how much they really have.


These 'business claims' about how much a person ( or their company ? ) are worth of , in billions of dollars , make me laugh ,
sorry ... of course it should not make me laugh but I think it's very sheepish way of how to evaluate human life . If you get to tornado ..for example .. or an earthquake , the person worth 20 billion dollars will be damaged the same fast as his neighbour , allegedly not worth a penny .

I think it was Albert Einstein who said that the value of human life is not in how much wealth ( or knowledge ) one accumulates but in the amount of wealth ( or , knowledge ) distributed to others .


I don't think that Stephen Hawking is buyable ..and I actually have some doubts that he would be worth any money at all to business minded individual ,
exactly because such people seldom see real beauty in abstract thought and infinity of Universe rather than seeking immediate gain, profit , fame and followers ,

it's the same people who are potentially (!) ready to twist and misuse any theoretical prediction as a false tool of power .


:(

[Cardillac]

@Hogswicth

"Because being physically disabled and in a wheelchair is a real boost to anybody's credibility right? I don't think so"- guess again- face reality-

"We don't pay attention to him because he's disabled we pay attention because he is a well qualified, well respected theoretical physicist and cosmologist"- ooh, baby face reality; Stephen Hawking is a product of marketing (start with the wheel chair and the countless photographs) and not true science;

anyway, what the hell is a God-Particle?- there is no such proven thing-

when will people finally wake up and realize that it is n.o.t. p.o.s.s.i.b.l.e. to understand our earthly existence with our very limited conscious minds; anyone professing to do so otherwise is just so out of touch with reality it's not even funny;

we try our best to understand the world around us (unless one is interested only in going shopping, what jeans we're going to wear for the evening, etc. and all such mundane stuff) but the rest remains a complete enigma;

the only thing I am certain about (and I've stated it countless times) is that or conscience minds/our perception of reality is based totally on a web of lies that have existed for hundreds if not thousands of years-

Larry

[Omni]

I don't subscribe to a creator of this universe... But I have a similar message to that. If it could destroy the universe it would have happened already. Every type of experiment possible has already been done out in the universe... It's that old by now. Not like humans are an early universe race. Other races were in our position back when the dinosaurs were around, maybe sooner than that. Everything has been done, there are no original thoughts.

Hawking isn't as smart as they say he is IMO. His ideas about extraterrestrials weren't exactly very good...

[Nick Matkin]

Er, excuse me.

Surely if such a thing were possible, one of the many, many advanced alien civilization that now live or have lived in the universe in the past 14bn years would have done this experiment by now. In fact surely it has been done many times somewhere, somewhen.

Therefore presumably, as I can sit her pontificating about it, all past experiments failed to destroy the universe and Professor Stephen Hawking is wrong...

Nick

[Agape]

Hawking isn't as smart as they say he is IMO. His ideas about extraterrestrials weren't exactly very good...

He's 'mainstream' theoretical astrophysicist . His opinions on ETs are purely theoretical and inlayed with hypothetical jokes ,
quite like the rest of accepted cosmological theories and else .

The strange thing about many of these fairly exceptional guys is that they seem to have missed any direct revelation or contact experience .. that would put them in the right perspective,
and no matter how gifted they are .. they're bound in the realm of abstract thought and approved mind stream .

The same happens to 'channellers' , 'sci-fi' writers and other artists who use their imagination - though in different way than scientists , to explore reality, seemingly endless and with limitless options . Without getting any direct clues .. intelligence itself is not enough to fit one millionths option that is right among all the million options beyond direct perceptional understanding .

[Agape]

Er, excuse me.

Surely if such a thing were possible, one of the many, many advanced alien civilization that now live or have lived in the universe in the past 14bn years would have done this experiment by now. In fact surely it has been done many times somewhere, somewhen.

Therefore presumably, as I can sit her pontificating about it, all past experiments failed to destroy the universe and Professor Stephen Hawking is wrong...

Nick


Why would presumably advanced , super-intelligent and equipped civilisation capable of such experiment - be so barbaric at the same time,
or so self-destructive , in this case .. to desire destruction of the Universe in the first place ?

Am just curious where people go with this logic . "We are here that's why it did not happen yet proves it's not possible '' ? ;)

Actually .... no , it's not possible . What any AI ( particle accelerator in this case ) can do is approach - approximate - in minimal conditions physical parameters of different stages of creation ( evolution ) of time-space . It can't exactly replicate the process , it can come very near to doing so though ..that's why it is, potentially dangerous instrument, in either case .

But when it comes to REALITY .. it's pretty safe from one perspective .. and that is , the original 'matrix' of time-space is not available to an experiment , whatever is surrounding us are trillions of trillions of ... copies of the original versions .

The Higgs boson is hypothetical particle responsible for organising the vector of all other particles .. to put it simply . Capturing the 'one' that gives directions to 'all Universe' would be like hoping that you can 'catch God' , literally , it's a parallel , not literal meaning either .
Since the hypothetical 'Big Bang' the original vector ( Higgs boson ) has been copied indefinite number of times, each time with little alteration ,
what remains of it to this day .. is something like 'background residue' , phantom, shadow of a shadow .

It never meant to destroy the Universe at the first place neither it's going to use anyone to do that .


Hope that's calming idea :angel:

[Omni]

Am just curious where people go with this logic . "We are here that's why it did not happen yet proves it's not possible '' ?
Look at the US government. They will do any experiment that could prove to make them more powerful. Using logic, and awareness of how many races are out there, and how long they have been out there, it is fully reasonable to say every experiment has been tried. Do you really think say, a hive minded empire bent on expanding(like insectoid mindsets, but within certain reptiles), would exist for billions of years without learning everything they can?

If the universe was designed by a being, don't you think providing a method to destroy the entire universe to a bunch of barely past cave men species capability would be one of the most ridiculous things to think could exist? Our technology has been developed over a short period of time. So it is reasonable to assume other very lost and spiritually undeveloped races out there would stumble upon this very early in their development....

Sometimes logic can more or less prove things to a well practiced mind. Of course logic can mislead but with things like this I think logic is useful.

[Nick Matkin]

Why would presumably advanced , super-intelligent and equipped civilisation capable of such experiment - be so barbaric at the same time,
or so self-destructive , in this case .. to desire destruction of the Universe in the first place ?

Am just curious where people go with this logic . "We are here that's why it did not happen yet proves it's not possible '' ?

Easy to explain. Given the (supposed) age of the universe, don't you think all types of civilizations would have evolved? Some like ours, some more 'spiritual', some more mechanistic, some more risk taking. Some will have gone through the "what will happen if we do this?" phase - like we are now.

Therefore it's logical that just because a more evolved civilization wouldn't do anything so reckless in its present evolved form, doesn't mean it didn't try in the past. Other civilizations would maybe have evolved quite differently, in a way incomprehensible to us and never tried such potentially unsafe experiments.

Anyway, if any civilization did try (and why would we be the only one?) it didn't appear to do any harm to the universe as a whole...

Nick

[seehas]

The smarter you are the more you can run into the wrong direction but i love his books

[Agape]

Am just curious where people go with this logic . "We are here that's why it did not happen yet proves it's not possible '' ?
Look at the US government. They will do any experiment that could prove to make them more powerful. Using logic, and awareness of how many races are out there, and how long they have been out there, it is fully reasonable to say every experiment has been tried. Do you really think say, a hive minded empire bent on expanding(like insectoid mindsets, but within certain reptiles), would exist for billions of years without learning everything they can?

If the universe was designed by a being, don't you think providing a method to destroy the entire universe to a bunch of barely past cave men species capability would be one of the most ridiculous things to think could exist? Our technology has been developed over a short period of time. So it is reasonable to assume other very lost and spiritually undeveloped races out there would stumble upon this very early in their development....

Sometimes logic can more or less prove things to a well practiced mind. Of course logic can mislead but with things like this I think logic is useful.


Omni yes , definitely , but that's where I was pointing to . If I read you correctly here, you seem to think that I am complaining about people using their logical minds ..

while the very opposite is true .

I hesitate to expose a level of logical reasoning so blatantly open here as if talking to audience of toddlers ( who you are not ) as I think it would offend somebody .

I must say I continue feeling dumbfounded ... not by your own revelations ( and others , generally ) , and logic ( there are several versions of universal logic, in either case .. ) but by the way how you ( generally ) presume lack of view and intellect in others .
Honestly, and that has not to do with this thread & post in particular , I don't think I can deal with that .

I don't know how to react . It's basic . It's about 'profound misunderstandings' , basically missing intelligence between A and B . It's not on my side . It can be lack of intuition, empathy , I don't know what .

I can't guess even why am I posting anymore or why the Bodhgaya report was shared with this forum, or why anyone are posting their sensitive, genuine information at first place because I don't see many intelligent or interested reactions.

Unless there's a hype created and the person is somehow 'media approved' ( vis Simon Parkes , even then .. ) .

I can't make sense of the way how you people relate to one another - and that's probably a sarcasm on my side .

That's one reason I thought of leaving here the other day and deleting all my info because I think of posting here feeling useless . I'd like to have intelligent friends who can respond to me and who are actually interested .
From what I've seen on internet forums, it's unfortunately hardly about being trusted and trustable . I'm getting goose bumps , literally , from the way I'm being misread here, since start ...

there are many difficult, some traumatic circumstances evolving around in my life .. and this site is supposedly 'able to deal with that' but honestly, I can't see that a lot .

I also see you and many others in the same situation, fighting quietly for survival, guessing each others emotions ,
yet .. not being able to find the fitting points with others . So I feel sorry, very sorry for everyone .

I've never had problems with maths, logic, Steve Hawking and ET space physics ( no I don't have 'problems' in those areas ..it's just natural to me ) but I do have problems with how to talk to people who miss logic and clean emotion.
Maybe that's why it feels like crumbles to me here . Sorry for the ramble ..



:confused:

[EC1000]

Don’t leave Agape, I along with many others I'm sure value your contributions even if it isn't always mentioned. You may be helping many otheres without even realizing it. I do understand your frustration though.

Back to topic-lets say there is a creator of the universe, how do we know it wouldn't allow it to be destroyed? With that kind of thinking we are assuming that this universe is the only thing said creator created what if it's not? What if there is so much, much, more? Even civilizations that are a billion years more advanced than us may not know everything there is to know about everything.

I love, to theorize and speculate about just about everything in existence or that may be in existence thats why I love Avalon and places like it. But I never subscribe to any one "insider's", "contactees", or "expert's" point of view because, while I believe they're experiences may be real, it doesn't mean what ever they have been told is real for all of creation. This stems from my personal belief in God and the belief that NO ONE yet has really spoken with that individual or knows all there is to know about him/her/ it :) That being said I do very much value and enjoy reading about it all here and appreciate the sharing everyone does.

To argue about such things seems silly to me, debate is one thing, argue is another. Then again, a lot can get mistranslated in the written word.

[rgray222]

To become relevant or to stay relevant people feel that they must forecast the destruction of the economy, the planet and now the universe. The mainstream media and alternative media spew this stuff everyday, day in and day out. All the while the truly relevant information goes screaming for attention. That is why so few people are "truly" awakened. Hawking has no business saying this stuff because it is only theoretical and not based on reality. In theory virtually every thought of every man, women and child has ever had is possible, in theory every dream ever dreamed is possible. Hawking should use some control unless his goal is to make headlines.
Talking about curing the ills of war, sickness, poverty, corruption are much more meaningful than theoretically annihilating the universe. The arrogance of such a remark is mind boggling.

[donk]

I’m just waiting for them to build a particle accelerator that will find the particle that makes up the particle that makes up the particle that makes up the Higg’s boson (and it would be awesome if they named it “Phil”).

Then after that we can finally build a particle accelerator big enough to find the particle that makes up that one. That one can DEFINITELY blow up at least a galaxy—and possibly time--but probably won’t.

There’s seems to be some profound truth in this video (possibly given to They Might Be Giants at a TED talk, which they seem to love to do)

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Anyway…I thought Stephen Hawking was a cartoon character?

http://blogs.nature.com/a_mad_hemorrhage/2012/05/15/stephen-hawking-simpsons.jpg

Remember when “they” were faced with the possibility that an atomic bomb would set the entire atmosphere on fire? Imagine the godlike power of possible annihilating the entire universe??

Since the trending school of thought these days seems to be “we create our own reality”, I’m working on creating a reality where a scientist designs a particle accelerator factory that’s big enough to potentially destroy the universe that contains this universe AND the parallel universe next to it….now that would be AWESOME!!

….sorry, I REALLY don’t feel working….and all of my theories are highly speculative and as illogical as possible

[Agape]

To become relevant or to stay relevant people feel that they must forecast the destruction of the economy, the planet and now the universe. The mainstream media and alternative media spew this stuff everyday, day in and day out. All the while the truly relevant information goes screaming for attention. That is why so few people are "truly" awakened. Hawking has no business saying this stuff because it is only theoretical and not based on reality. In theory virtually every thought of every man, women and child has ever had is possible, in theory every dream ever dreamed is possible. Hawking should use some control unless his goal is to make headlines.
Talking about curing the ills of war, sickness, poverty, corruption are much more meaningful than theoretically annihilating the universe. The arrogance of such a remark is mind boggling.


Steve Hawking is very interesting person but he's in similar situation to many of the ET /ET contactee people around the globe ( albeit one of the most gifted ) in two ways ..

number one .. talking space physics . It's a realm where you can propose and predict quanta of information and theories , as long as you have great imagination and are capable of delicate logical calculus at the same time ..
only Space is the boundary . Most of your predictions/theories won't be proved anytime near, not in your lifetime , not in the next ten or hundred lifetimes and till 'we get there' , there'll be hundred other people to 'improve' your theory ;)

So like with much of the ET sourced information to do with Space - it's a beautiful job that takes you away fully , requires nothing but your awakened and brushed mind on most occasions and has very few reality rewards , in ones life time .

The second sort of similarity .. is in being disabled by physical circumstances to a deal where you're actually , forced to fight very hard to get any of your ideas across .
I don't think of any 'low spirit' who would do the same thing as Steve Hawking , either for money or just 'for the fun of that' .
The same can be said about many of our friends 'contactees' - of those who know what they do - and have their mind in one piece - facing this human physical reality can be extremely hard , sometimes there are no medicines or treatments available ,
no healers and shamans to make it better . No magicians to wave the magic stick.
But if you have a message for others, a mission here, no matter what they tell you , you keep fighting and kicking back to the last breath . That's what we all do, no matter how much it hurts .

...

Physics is full of paradoxes, so are people . Steve Hawking claims no knowledge of intelligent ET contact ( unless he makes that revelation on his death bed ;) ) but many of his views and theories are consistent with minds of those who travel in Space .

EC1000 ...thanks for your kind words , though ...


But I never subscribe to any one "insider's", "contactees", or "expert's" point of view because, while I believe they're experiences may be real, it doesn't mean what ever they have been told is real for all of creation


If these people are 'real' = genuine = honest = sane individuals with healthy minds , intact memory and not deliberately twisting their information ,
much of their information would be perfectly real and valid for everyone else as well .

There are two problems in it ... one .. an individual experience .. something that has happened only to few people around the globe in such manner that they're able to make sense of it at the same time ,
not a collective experience .. is automatically disproved as 'subjective' by every primitive collective .
Here, we want to call this society 'advanced' . It is not very advanced is a fact . It's more advanced than thousand years ago perhaps , but it's nowhere close to ethical , spiritual or physical 'peak' of evolution.

Problem number two ... proving or showing the way how ETs interact with this world and establishing contact with them is hardly in human hands so far .
The answers are exactly in the realm of hyperspace physics . Astrophysicists would be very useful in resolving all the ET/Human communication paradigm

and establishing ports of valid contact .. unless they were also bought by the mainstream academic opinions and prejudice that keeps everyone away from each other .


Making good sense of ET contact requires sharp minds . For example Omni I believe, is genuine 'experiencer' and prodigious thinker at the same time, critical with his own mind so he can maintain sense of objectivity with his experiences and derive benefits from the contact .
Not many others can do the same thing - most people get carried away .. yet .. he has to fight extreme negatives in his own mind/life as well .

We all do. More subtle things become .

:angel:

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

Sorry I missed this thread when I made mine -- not intentional!! Thought this part of the forum was very dead/quiet but it's not, lol

p.s. Agape please don't go!!!
Play some games for a while then come back -- don't let ppl drag you down.