FOOD, jaw dropping Japanese hydro grow dome

[778 neighbour of some guy]

WOW!!

F_WuJ9P1u-k

[WhiteFeather]

At the 1:00 minute mark. It looks like when the circle of the table spins outward, it replicates a spinning motion into that wonderful sacred geometry, fibonacci spiral.


http://fractalenlightenment.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/golden_ratio_spiral_galaxies.jpg

[Maia Gabrial]

Awesome Japanese innovation!

[Sidney]

That is very very cool.:bump:

[Cidersomerset]

Let tuce rejoice the end of food shortages , I presume other veg can be grown ? ..LOL

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There are variations....

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Actually I remember this from the space programme and Scy fy films
from the 1970's /80's. It takes time and technology to progress into society
I suppose. I visited Epcot in the early 1990's and they had future farm concepts
and how to grow fruit and veg on space colonies..etc....

Nice to see it taking off........Actually Holland has a lot of Green house farming
if I remember right....




Ju2nI0ACQlM

[sheme]

Vitamin B12 vital for us all -seems to be missing from these sterile controlled conditions -do not swallow the hype, remember dirt is good, it's traditional we evolved with it and because of it -we remove it from our produce at our peril.

http://b12awareness.org/could-it-be-b12-an-epidemic-of-misdiagnoses/book-reviews/

[778 neighbour of some guy]

Vitamin B12 vital for us all -seems to be missing from these sterile controlled conditions -do not swallow the hype, remember dirt is good, it's traditional we evolved with it and because of it -we remove it from our produce at our peril.

http://b12awareness.org/could-it-be-b12-an-epidemic-of-misdiagnoses/book-reviews/

Remember organic plant food is also good, even the Sun Warrior Liquid Light minerals I use myself I also use as plant food and they are doing great, feel free to Google that. Eating meat helps too btw.

[DeDukshyn]

Vitamin B12 vital for us all -seems to be missing from these sterile controlled conditions -do not swallow the hype, remember dirt is good, it's traditional we evolved with it and because of it -we remove it from our produce at our peril.

http://b12awareness.org/could-it-be-b12-an-epidemic-of-misdiagnoses/book-reviews/

I didn't realize eating this lettuce produced via this method will leave me deficient in B12. Thanks for that detailed and obviously highly researched info; I almost bought the hype and shared my enthusiasm for this newfound ammo against Monsanto. :P ;)

No plants whether grown in dirt or wherever are very adequate in giving you what you need in B12 (unless you grow it yourself, and don't wash it), so your statement seems random to the actual thread topic. I suppose it may be an issue for vegans, but it's not like b12 isn't already a popular supplement among vegans. It is readily available.

[dim]

I wonder if i am the only one here in Avalon disgusted terrorized and saddened by that video
or the rest don't bother say it

[778 neighbour of some guy]

I wonder if i am the only one here in Avalon disgusted terrorized and saddened by that video
or the rest don't bother say it

Everyone should be as disgusted as you are, as am I, the thing is I could not have come up with a system that efficient in a million years, to produce food on that that scale and with that efficiency, and more then that. locally, if you have, please show me what you personally have come up with to solve the problem of reducing traffic, soil depletion, harvesting, freeing up peoples time to do other more important things, everyone knows plants love to grow in soil in a decent natural environment with the nutrition they need, I guess you would suggest chopping down another rainforest for the nutrients in its soil so we can have ten harvests in 3 years and leave that soil depleted too? Or would you like to suggest that everyone should be relocated to a place where they can all have a nice big organic garden, please share your detailed and outlined plans regarding how to make that happen in the next five years, ah well, make it ten how you would make that happen, about 4 billion people who probably cant even affort to relocate, I'd love to see that. For the time being, I'll eat that lettuce and do some supplementation for myself, since even the fact that something has been grown organically says absolutely nothing in its self about the soil quality its grown in, its even very likely that soil has just as poor of a composition as the intensively farmed ones, when it has to be grown on that scale, there is not enough wood ash, biochar to restore this problem overnight, takes more trees to burn to ashes or char then we can afford, and btw, who says those trees got the right nutrition in the first place???? Have you checked all of them personally?

My take, on the video, if they can feed the plants properly to a stage where they can give me the nutrition I need to function at optimum performance, go for it, I haven't come up with anything better so far, I think you haven't come up with something better either, if that would have been the case, I assume you would have posted it.

[sheme]

I wonder if i am the only one here in Avalon disgusted terrorized and saddened by that video
or the rest don't bother say it

Everyone should be as disgusted as you are, as am I, the thing is I could not have come up with a system that efficient in a million years, to produce food on that that scale and with that efficiency, and more then that. locally, if you have, please show me what you personally have come up with to solve the problem of reducing traffic, soil depletion, harvesting, freeing up peoples time to do other more important things, everyone knows plants love to grow in soil in a decent natural environment with the nutrition they need, I guess you would suggest chopping down another rainforest for the nutrients in its soil so we can have ten harvests in 3 years and leave that soil depleted too? Or would you like to suggest that everyone should be relocated to a place where they can all have a nice big organic garden, please share your detailed and outlined plans regarding how to make that happen in the next five years, ah well, make it ten how you would make that happen, about 4 billion people who probably cant even affort to relocate, I'd love to see that. For the time being, I'll eat that lettuce and do some supplementation for myself, since even the fact that something has been grown organically says absolutely nothing in its self about the soil quality its grown in, its even very likely that soil has just as poor of a composition as the intensively farmed ones, when it has to be grown on that scale, there is not enough wood ash, biochar to restore this problem overnight, takes more trees to burn to ashes or char then we can afford, and btw, who says those trees got the right nutrition in the first place???? Have you checked all of them personally?

My take, on the video, if they can feed the plants properly to a stage where they can give me the nutrition I need to function at optimum performance, go for it, I haven't come up with anything better so far, I think you haven't come up with something better either, if that would have been the case, I assume you would have posted it.

Me thinks you are being a tad ridiculous now, actually more excrement is the answer, it should all go on the land and not into the sea. I wonder what an aura photo of these veggies would look like?

[778 neighbour of some guy]

I wonder if i am the only one here in Avalon disgusted terrorized and saddened by that video
or the rest don't bother say it

Everyone should be as disgusted as you are, as am I, the thing is I could not have come up with a system that efficient in a million years, to produce food on that that scale and with that efficiency, and more then that. locally, if you have, please show me what you personally have come up with to solve the problem of reducing traffic, soil depletion, harvesting, freeing up peoples time to do other more important things, everyone knows plants love to grow in soil in a decent natural environment with the nutrition they need, I guess you would suggest chopping down another rainforest for the nutrients in its soil so we can have ten harvests in 3 years and leave that soil depleted too? Or would you like to suggest that everyone should be relocated to a place where they can all have a nice big organic garden, please share your detailed and outlined plans regarding how to make that happen in the next five years, ah well, make it ten how you would make that happen, about 4 billion people who probably cant even affort to relocate, I'd love to see that. For the time being, I'll eat that lettuce and do some supplementation for myself, since even the fact that something has been grown organically says absolutely nothing in its self about the soil quality its grown in, its even very likely that soil has just as poor of a composition as the intensively farmed ones, when it has to be grown on that scale, there is not enough wood ash, biochar to restore this problem overnight, takes more trees to burn to ashes or char then we can afford, and btw, who says those trees got the right nutrition in the first place???? Have you checked all of them personally?

My take, on the video, if they can feed the plants properly to a stage where they can give me the nutrition I need to function at optimum performance, go for it, I haven't come up with anything better so far, I think you haven't come up with something better either, if that would have been the case, I assume you would have posted it.

Me thinks you are being a tad ridiculous now, actually more excrement is the answer, it should all go on the land and not into the sea. I wonder what an aura photo of these veggies would look like?

Right, nutrient deficient excrement from nutrient deficient people is supposed to deliver nutrients, sure.:confused:

[sheme]

Vitamin B 12 deficiency effects the entire nervous system which also includes our thinking processes, It is all part of the plan to depopulate, I wonder where the minerals used in hydroponic culture come from?

[DeDukshyn]

I wonder if i am the only one here in Avalon disgusted terrorized and saddened by that video
or the rest don't bother say it

Bring on the Monsanto GMO then! ;P At least it is sometimes grown in dirt and they can always find reasons why there's "not enough food" to feed everyone, hence justification for depopulation.

A fast growing hydro solution (you'd be surprised how much food you buy today is already hydro -- it is established already) solves the "Monsanto Crisis" that they will use (and do) as their reason for GMO and, eventually depopulation. The ability for an individual to eat a balanced diet does and will remain - it is their choice, and then they get their B12 or whatever.

This idea needs to looked at in relationship to a much broader perspective. I'd definitely prefer organic soil grown veggies any day, but when you need ammo to counter the "not enough food" lie, this tech does that better than anything else we have.

I don't see a need to demonize this idea at this stage in development due to an emotional reaction set to be triggered by previous thoughts. My 2 cents.

It's almost like supplemental probiotics and vitamins were invented for people to help them take charge of their individual health ... who would have thought?

[778 neighbour of some guy]

It's almost like supplemental probiotics and vitamins were invented for people to help them take charge of their individual health ... who would have thought?

WTF??? Someone wants us to live??? Ah wait, either someone really likes us or came to the simple conclusion that dead people don't pay taxes and cant be herded into slavery, ghehehe;)

[DeDukshyn]

It's almost like supplemental probiotics and vitamins were invented for people to help them take charge of their individual health ... who would have thought?

WTF??? Someone wants us to live??? Ah wait, either someone really likes us or came to the simple conclusion that dead people don't pay taxes and cant be herded into slavery, ghehehe;)

Well, Don't buy vitamins made by any pharma company ... ;) seriously, just don't; they are customized specifically to maximize drug usage down the road. Bayer's vitamin formulas have a single synthetic E vitamin molecule in high dose that is known to cause heart issues when taken in high dose without the other 7 E molecules - this specifically is what created the "Killer E!" headlines about 12 years ago. Bayer wants you to buy their vitamins, the get prescribed aspirin for your heart later. ;)

There are people out there who really do care and have carefully formulated their vitamins and supplements very purposefully to help counter the deficit in nutrition epidemic we are seeing today. We do have choices, many would rather be angry than take charge and make those choices themselves. Sad but true.

And many people need lettuce over sugar, sugar, sugar and more sugar -- which seems to be the trend in the food industry today.

I watched the movie "Fed Up" last night. While likely only half of the whole problem is described in the obesity and poor health epidemic humans are currently faced with, it hits one nail right on the head - it is calories from sugar that are killing us and making us sick. All the "low fat" solutions the food industry has offered us has given rise to at least 2X the average consumption of sugar over the last couple decades. Fat wasn't nearly the issue it was demonized to be. The problem is sugars, and heavily processed / refined carbs (which get converted immediately to sugar in the body) -- and a lack of fibre.

If there was a way to produce lettuce that was as convenient and cheap as the pure junk food diet many Americans are on currently ... hmmm, if only ...

[PurpleLama]

There are people out there who really do care and have carefully formulated their vitamins and supplements very purposefully to help counter the deficit in nutrition epidemic we are seeing today





So, you wanna let loose with the names of some of these companies? Just don't tell us which one you work for, and it won't be seen as shameless promotion...

[DeDukshyn]

There are people out there who really do care and have carefully formulated their vitamins and supplements very purposefully to help counter the deficit in nutrition epidemic we are seeing today





So, you wanna let loose with the names of some of these companies? Just don't tell us which one you work for, and it won't be seen as shameless promotion...

Yes for sure. When I get to work, I'll ask the marketing team of some of our best competitors in terms of quality and commitment to the individual's health. I can only think a couple right off the top of my head ...

[778 neighbour of some guy]

NOW, are they trustworthy, DeDuk?

[DeDukshyn]

There are people out there who really do care and have carefully formulated their vitamins and supplements very purposefully to help counter the deficit in nutrition epidemic we are seeing today





So, you wanna let loose with the names of some of these companies? Just don't tell us which one you work for, and it won't be seen as shameless promotion...

Yes for sure. When I get to work, I'll ask the marketing team of some of our best competitors in terms of quality and commitment to the individual's health. I can only think a couple right off the top of my head ...

Ok, here we go. Here's the comment I got when I asked for a list of comparable brands to ours:







“This is a bit of a loaded question as there are not any other companies that are as devoted to the clinical research as we are from a retail perspective. Most of the retail companies make combinations that have doses too low to provide desired effects or create unusual combinations that may or may not work well together.

The brands that are more research driven like us tend to fall more into the professional category and can be difficult to source in a retail environment.”



These more "professional" companies target their products towards ND's, MD's, Therapists, and Nutritionists, etc. Some examples are:

Thorne (https://thorne.com/)
Standard Process/ Mediherb (https://www.standardprocess.com/Home)
Metagenics (http://www.metagenics.com/)
Seroyal (http://www.seroyal.com)

Others, readily available in the retail market identified by myself and others here as "worthy to recommend to friends / family" are:

for Vitamins:
Douglas Laboratories (http://www.douglaslabs.ca/)
Nutrilite (http://www.amway.ca/Shop/Product/Category.aspx/Nutrition?dsnav=N:4294967214) (Amway vitamins -- yes Amway believe it or not, but i might not venture outside their vitamins)
Life Extension (http://www.lef.org/index.htm)
Metagenics (http://www.metagenics.com/)

for Herbals
Botanica (http://www.botanicahealth.com/)
St Francis (http://www.stfrancisherbfarm.com/index.php?p=page&page_id=about_us)
Flora (http://www.florahealth.com/)

for EFA's
Ascenta (http://www.ascentahealth.com/)
Nordic Naturals (http://www.nordicnaturals.com/)

Non - categorized:
Can Prev (http://www.canprev.ca/)
Progressive Nutritional (https://progressivenutritional.com/)

More "affordable" but still ok:
Sisu (http://www.sisu.com/sisu/)
Trophic (http://trophicproducts.com/en-CA)



This is a very incomplete list; there are likely many, many others and I will have only listed ones that are distributed in Canada that are familiar - I am sure there are many other good brands that are more local to a specific country.

The company I work for provides products to professionals (MD's, ND's, Therapists, Nutritionists, etc.), but we also sell the same formulas at the retail levels. Our entire focus is research and innovation driven products and services (education).

The company name is "Advanced Orthomolecular Research"

Here is the URL (note: you cannot buy products here or from me, and they are a bit harder to get in the USA as we have limited distribution there right now - one might have to use i-Herb, or Amazon) (if you want them you have to find them yourself), but feel free to use this website as an educational research platform -- all written info is provided with references to the peer reviewed research behind it, so one can look into the original research itself and not just take what is provided at face value.

http://www.aor.ca/

Info: http://www.cbj.ca/business_in_action/healthcare/advanced_orthomolecular_research.html

Just to give an idea on AOR's innovation track record:

World 1st's retail available!:
D-Ribose
R(+) Lipoic Acid (non-racemic)
Strontium (Yes AOR was solely responsible for bringing strontium supplements to market - we had to fight a bit with Big Pharma - they had other plans for it)

North America's 1st retail available!:
Benfotiamine
Total E complex (all 8 molecules)

To name a few.

Unfortunately, one has to be able to understand molecular formulation and mechanisms of action for various forms, as well as synergistic effects to be able to vet formulas properly, so it's really hard for the average person to tell what is a good formula or not, but there are a lot of small variables that can either ruin a formula or make one great.

At all costs, any brand using DL-alpha tocopherol for a vit E source, or one that formulates a B complex with 100 or 50mg's of all the B's should be avoided at all costs. It shows they have no idea what they are doing, and have traded quality for profit - unfortunately these are usually your cheaper grocery store brands that most people buy. Don't buy your supplements from a grocery store is a good rule to follow. Go to a reputable health store and ask questions.

There is a ton of good general "not-too-markety" information in our magazines (http://www.aor.ca/magazines/)and our blog (http://www.drnibber.com/)that is good for anyone trying to learn about natural health and supplements in order to choose the best products (whatever the brand) - these resources are provided 100% free to anyone with the idea that providing tools for individuals to empower their own health comes before selling products.

So I encourage everyone to research their supplements well and choose one that bests fits their needs based on that research - not all vitamins are equal, and neither are supplements; best bet, grow your own organic food, then see if you still need to supplement - I know, easier said than done ;)

There are a lot of supplement companies out there only in business to make money and sell compromised or "yesterday's" products as they don't care at all about your health.

Hope that helps somewhat. =)

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NOW, are they trustworthy, DeDuk?

They are one of the better "budget" brands (within a broad range of a lot of crap) in my opinion, but fall short with advanced formulations (better for covering your basics with). Still much better than say your Centrum, or whatever from the grocery store (Big Pharma). My 2 cents ;)

[778 neighbour of some guy]

You just made me a happy hippie, thanks DeDuk, your post deserves a sticky.;)

[PurpleLama]

You just made me a happy hippie, thanks DeDuk, your post deserves a sticky.;)

At the very least, it will have a link to the Village, here momentarily.

Thanks Dedukshyn!!

I took one look at the purple labels and I was sold.

[778 neighbour of some guy]

Now the question that is burning and bouncing between my hemispheres is, DeDuk, you are a pro, what is your vitamin intake?

[DeDukshyn]

Here's a good example of why all vitamins are not equal, it is a bit technical, but describes the levels of research, detail and complexity required to formulate a good supplement:


Sometimes, substances that are ingested need to be modified by the body in order to become active. Certain issues can limit these beneficial modifications in the body, such as a lower yield of the active metabolite compared to the amount consumed, natural barriers within the body blocking access of the consumed substance to certain tissues, or genetic anomalies resulting in a lack of enzymes necessary for such conversions. As a common example, some people lack the enzyme to convert regular folate to its active form and thus can be deficient even when consuming adequate amounts. AOR delivers the active form of this nutrient, 5-MTHF, in order to bypass this issue. A less known example is AOR’s use of Benfotiamine, a much more bioavailable form of thiamine (vitamin B1). Benfotiamine is able to penetrate the blood-brain barrier while regular thiamine is not, yielding a much higher quantity of the active TTP (thiamine triosphosphate) in the brain, therefore making it more effective at the same dose.

Other times, one form of an ingredient might actually have an entirely different mechanism of action from another, giving different health benefits. For example, Methylcobalamin is the form of Vitamin B12 that has been shown in studies to have restorative effects on nerve health, having been successfully studied in many of the most disabling degenerative nerve conditions. Cyanocobalamin, the form of B12 found in most supplements, has not been found to have these benefits. Another example is AOR’s use of 95% R(+) Lipoic Acid rather than a 50/50 mixture of the R(+) and S(-) forms, since the R(+) form is natural and effective while the S(-) form is synthetic, ineffective and potentially inhibits the effectiveness of the R(+) form! If a more effective form of a nutrient exists, you can be sure that AOR will use it, unless the goal of the formulation is to provide a more economical alternative.

[DeDukshyn]

Now the question that is burning and bouncing between my hemispheres is, DeDuk, you are a pro, what is your vitamin intake?

Let me state a few things about myself first - I believe that supplementation should catered to the individual with regards to their lifestyle, etc.

I do not consume a lot of food, (far less than most people in the western world), and I do not eat a whole lot of fruits, and moderate amounts of vegetables. For protein, I prefer fish, but have no issues bbq-ing up a good fatty rib steak either, although it is not often. Also and very importantly, I drink beer fairly regularly -- I usually have a few after work.

The fact that I do not eat a lot, and not a lot of fruit, and that I drink regularly, all play into my supplement choices (plus I get discounts so cost is less an issue for me). Alcohol, acts as diuretic, and flushes fluids from your system; your water soluble vitamins (most notably Bs and C) also get flushed during this process, as well as minerals as your body needs to maintain a strict balance between minerals and fluids.

So I take a standalone B-Complex (AOR's Advanced B complex - I think this is the best B complex in the world by a long shot) - slightly less than the recommended daily dosage.
I also take Vitamin C in a complex of citrus bioflavanoids - the C can do so much more for you when in combination with natural bioflavanoids that would be found in the whole fruit in nature. (i.e. C from whole fruit is superior to plain ascorbic acid supplementation). I also take an advanced mineral complex, to ensure I stay topped up in these when my fluid levels do fluctuate. These counter the negative effects that my beer might be having on me (although proper beer is rather nutritious, regular consumption isn't very good for you).

I also take a full spectrum multi - one that contains all eight E vitamin molecules, and is balanced to provide what would be expected in a proper balanced diet - this helps to counter some negative effects that my eating habits may cause, and ensures I stay away from any deficiencies that may not be "disease" but may still have negative effects.

I take a mix of Vitamin K1 and K2 -EDIT: Correction, I take only K2, but both mk4 and mk7 forms (they seems to have slightly different mechanisms and roles - hence why both) to help prevent any calcification and keep good bone health.

I take liquid vitamin D in the winter (Canada has little sun in the winter and one is usually bundled up).

Another staple for me is Methylsulfonylmethane -- aka MSM. Heating, cooking, and even light processing breaks down most biologically active forms of sulfur. Sulfur is one of the most important essential minerals for keeping everything working well - it is highly overlooked in it's importance, but it's role in body processes is huge and very broad. Since almost ALL western foods are processed or cooked, we no longer get this nutrient in high quanities from our diet, and we need it decent quantities for optimal health. Raw food diets are high in bioactive sulfur.

Remember the two types of glucosamine for joint health? glucosamine sulphate and glucosamine HCL. It was first thought that the HCL was vastly superior because it is more pure, more potent and does not have to be buffered with an added ingredient -- salt, for stability as the sulphate form was. Long term anecdotal evidence and some trials showed that strangely, the sulphate form was more effective. This was found to be due to the extra sulphur, which is extremely important for joint health -- and most western people are deficient over optimal levels. Thus I take 4-8 grams of MSM daily. Try it for 1 month, then notice how awesome your skin is -- it does take long term dosing to get good effects.

That's about it for vitamins. I do take a few herbal and Ayurveda formulas as well, for various things and when I get a health symptom, I look to natural supplements before seeing a doctor; one of these is Andrographis -- great for knocking back a cold or flu, I have used it very successfully for that.

[Flash]

Many many thanks, these are invaluable information.

I was recommended metagenics again and again from a PhD biochemist for treating children with autism and for cancer, as well as Advance Orthomolecular Research AOR.

He told me it is good to change brand every 4-5 months because otherwise the body gets used to the vitamins and stops absorbing properly. You can come back to the first ones afterward and put them on the yearly roll out (2-3 brands)






There are people out there who really do care and have carefully formulated their vitamins and supplements very purposefully to help counter the deficit in nutrition epidemic we are seeing today





So, you wanna let loose with the names of some of these companies? Just don't tell us which one you work for, and it won't be seen as shameless promotion...

Yes for sure. When I get to work, I'll ask the marketing team of some of our best competitors in terms of quality and commitment to the individual's health. I can only think a couple right off the top of my head ...

Ok, here we go. Here's the comment I got when I asked for a list of comparable brands to ours:







“This is a bit of a loaded question as there are not any other companies that are as devoted to the clinical research as we are from a retail perspective. Most of the retail companies make combinations that have doses too low to provide desired effects or create unusual combinations that may or may not work well together.

The brands that are more research driven like us tend to fall more into the professional category and can be difficult to source in a retail environment.”



These more "professional" companies target their products towards ND's, MD's, Therapists, and Nutritionists, etc. Some examples are:

Thorne (https://thorne.com/)
Standard Process/ Mediherb (https://www.standardprocess.com/Home)
Metagenics (http://www.metagenics.com/)
Seroyal (http://www.seroyal.com)

Others, readily available in the retail market identified by myself and others here as "worthy to recommend to friends / family" are:

for Vitamins:
Douglas Laboratories (http://www.douglaslabs.ca/)
Nutrilite (http://www.amway.ca/Shop/Product/Category.aspx/Nutrition?dsnav=N:4294967214) (Amway vitamins -- yes Amway believe it or not, but i might not venture outside their vitamins)
Life Extension (http://www.lef.org/index.htm)
Metagenics (http://www.metagenics.com/)

for Herbals
Botanica (http://www.botanicahealth.com/)
St Francis (http://www.stfrancisherbfarm.com/index.php?p=page&page_id=about_us)
Flora (http://www.florahealth.com/)

for EFA's
Ascenta (http://www.ascentahealth.com/)
Nordic Naturals (http://www.nordicnaturals.com/)

Non - categorized:
Can Prev (http://www.canprev.ca/)
Progressive Nutritional (https://progressivenutritional.com/)

More "affordable" but still ok:
Sisu (http://www.sisu.com/sisu/)
Trophic (http://trophicproducts.com/en-CA)



This is a very incomplete list; there are likely many, many others and I will have only listed ones that are distributed in Canada that are familiar - I am sure there are many other good brands that are more local to a specific country.

The company I work for provides products to professionals (MD's, ND's, Therapists, Nutritionists, etc.), but we also sell the same formulas at the retail levels. Our entire focus is research and innovation driven products and services (education).

The company name is "Advanced Orthomolecular Research"

Here is the URL (note: you cannot buy products here or from me, and they are a bit harder to get in the USA as we have limited distribution there right now - one might have to use i-Herb, or Amazon) (if you want them you have to find them yourself), but feel free to use this website as an educational research -- all written info is provided with references to the peer reviewed research behind it, so one can look into the original research itself and not just take what is provided at face value.

http://www.aor.ca/

Info: http://www.cbj.ca/business_in_action/healthcare/advanced_orthomolecular_research.html

Just to give an idea on AOR's innovation track record:

World 1st's retail available!:
D-Ribose
R(+) Lipoic Acid (non-racemic)
Strontium (Yes AOR was solely responsible for bringing strontium supplements to market - we had to fight a bit with Big Pharma - they had other plans for it)

North America's 1st retail available!:
Benfotiamine
Total E complex (all 8 molecules)

To name a few.

Unfortunately, one has to be able to understand molecular formulation and mechanisms of action for various forms, as well as synergistic effects to be able to vet formulas properly, so it's really hard for the average person to tell what is a good formula or not, but there are a lot of small variables that can either ruin a formula or make one great.

At all costs, any brand using DL-alpha tocopherol for a vit E source, or one that formulates a B complex with 100 or 50mg's of all the B's should be avoided at all costs. It shows they have no idea what they are doing, and have traded quality for profit - unfortunately these are usually your cheaper grocery store brands that most people buy. Don't buy your supplements from a grocery store is a good rule to follow. Go to a reputable health store and ask questions.

There is a ton of good general "not-too-markety" information in our magazines (http://www.aor.ca/magazines/)and our blog (http://www.drnibber.com/)that is good for anyone trying to learn about natural health and supplements in order to choose the best products (whatever the brand) - these resources are provided 100% free to anyone with the idea that providing tools for individuals to empower their own health comes before selling products.

So I encourage everyone to research their supplements well and choose one that bests fits their needs based on that research - not all vitamins are equal, and neither are supplements; best bet, grow your own organic food, then see if you still need to supplement - I know, easier said than done ;)

There are a lot of supplement companies out there only in business to make money and sell compromised or "yesterday's" products as they don't care at all about your health.

Hope that helps somewhat. =)

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NOW, are they trustworthy, DeDuk?

They are one of the better "budget" brands (within a broad range of a lot of crap) in my opinion, but fall short with advanced formulations (better for covering your basics with). Still much better than say your Centrum, or whatever from the grocery store (Big Pharma). My 2 cents ;)