I Look Forward to My Death

[Omni]

There is no reason to fear death. After a few experiences where I thought I would die, but didn't, I no longer fear death... Especially since I believe I will have a great afterlife. Nobody goes through the amount of injustice I have without a good afterlife... My ET contacts have said what happens in the afterlife is actually done by technology. I find it credible enough to post. I was told people having Jesus and God/Heaven NDE type experiences were in virtual reality(that is the convo that lead to more info on it)... Regardless, it does seem to me that ETs have technology to give a soul experiences when it is not in the body...

Saying I look forward to my death, I wouldn't suicide... Just feel obligated to say that.

After death we say RIP - Rest in Peace. Doesn't it make more sense to say something like MTNLBW - May Their Next Life Be Wonderful. Maybe too cumbersome of a wording, and RIP seems to genetically fit... But it just seems limiting "Rest in Peace"... When I die expect me to be having some of the most profound experiences available to a consciousness. I expect others have amazing afterlives as well, depending on who you are and what you do. It does interest me, the idea of designs of afterlives. It makes the most sense to me, that our afterlives were designed. Perhaps even by ourselves before we incarnated here. If you believe in God, he/she/it might be a sweet designer of your afterlife. I think many can agree they could be designed. Just by who is the difference...

About going into the light thing, I don't find any value in that subject. I consider what happens to us after we die, fate. Not based on going into a light or not. They wouldn't need to get us to go into any virtual light of that sort to do something to our soul. It's not like benevolent elder ETs around here would leave the fate of your soul up to chance, of knowing to go into the light or not... My 2 cents.

I'll end this first post with one of my favorite quotes:
"Every one of you will survive your deaths, ... You have survived many deaths."

[Natalia]

I look forward to it too Omni (as you know :) )

I also look forward to the many good things in this life to come

<3

[Natalia]

hehe :)

0X7RyGBq2E8

[apokalypse]

same here Omni!!

[Matt P]

I have always felt the same. Not ready for this incarnation to end but looking forward to the experience of "death." Not a big surprise that the first other place I'd see someone else say the same is right here on this site!
My 31-year-old brother-in-law died two weeks ago and he began contacting my wife immediately in many ways. It was an accident and he wasn't ready but the messages from him changed quickly from "what the hell happened" to "holy cow, this is amazing." I told my wife, this might sound a little strange but I'm envious that he's getting to experience this and I'm not.
Knowing he isn't "dead" has made the grieving far more manageable and faster for us all, too.

Matt

[sound consciousness]

Can anyone please tell me why the experience of death is more favoured than living?. Secondly is the death scenario linked to anxiety and fear? Thanks

[Matt P]

Can anyone please tell me why the experience of death is more favoured than living?. Secondly it tis death scenario linked to anxiety and fear? Thanks

For me, the point is not that "death" would be more favorable than living, it's that there's no reason to fear "death" because there is no such thing as death, just a change in form and experience. I have no interest in leaving this reality right now ('cause I'm having too much fun) but I look forward to when I've lived my life and am ready to. I'm sure when my time comes (if I am fortunate to know) it will be a mix of anxiety for the little bit of uncertainty and excitement for the answers coming.

Matt

[Maunagarjana]

But at some point while living it up in this synthetic illusion, wouldn't you at some point grow dissatisfied with it and start to wonder, "Is there anything more than this? Anything that's not fabricated and contrived?" I know I would.

[sirdipswitch]

Why just sit and wait for Death, when you can return to Spirit now, and enjoy both worlds?

I am totally amazed at the lack of immagination on this forum.

Omni - there is no EY race out there... that is above you... and they know it. The stuff they are telling you now, is so that they can still control you when you do die. Tell them to Buz Off. If they were so all wise, they would not be telling you such things. ET Missionaries... do not have our best interests at heart. nope.

We are Immortal Stirit Beings Of The Highest Order. There is nothing, above us. And we can return to our true Spirit selves now... and do not need to wait for Death to "achieve" it. And we certainly don't need ETs' telling us, "anything".

You think yer havin fun now, mpennery??? Return to Spirit now... and watch how absolutely Hillarious, it becomes. ccc.

[Snowflower]

Why look forward to death? Because this world hurts a whole bunch and that world won't.

[delfine]

There is no reason to fear death. After a few experiences where I thought I would die, but didn't, I no longer fear death... Especially since I believe I will have a great afterlife. Nobody goes through the amount of injustice I have without a good afterlife... My ET contacts have said what happens in the afterlife is actually done by technology. I find it credible enough to post. I was told people having Jesus and God/Heaven NDE type experiences were in virtual reality(that is the convo that lead to more info on it)... Regardless, it does seem to me that ETs have technology to give a soul experiences when it is not in the body...

Saying I look forward to my death, I wouldn't suicide... Just feel obligated to say that.

After death we say RIP - Rest in Peace. Doesn't it make more sense to say something like MTNLBW - May Their Next Life Be Wonderful. Maybe too cumbersome of a wording, and RIP seems to genetically fit... But it just seems limiting "Rest in Peace"... When I die expect me to be having some of the most profound experiences available to a consciousness. I expect others have amazing afterlives as well, depending on who you are and what you do. It does interest me, the idea of designs of afterlives. It makes the most sense to me, that our afterlives were designed. Perhaps even by ourselves before we incarnated here. If you believe in God, he/she/it might be a sweet designer of your afterlife. I think many can agree they could be designed. Just by who is the difference...

About going into the light thing, I don't find any value in that subject. I consider what happens to us after we die, fate. Not based on going into a light or not. They wouldn't need to get us to go into any virtual light of that sort to do something to our soul. It's not like benevolent elder ETs around here would leave the fate of your soul up to chance, of knowing to go into the light or not... My 2 cents.

I'll end this first post with one of my favorite quotes:
"Every one of you will survive your deaths, ... You have survived many deaths."

Going to an artificially generated virtual reality doesn´t seem particularly great to me.

[Stephanie]

Thank you for such an interesting thread Omni.

I am comfortable with all the aspects of transition, in birth, life and death, and realize it though my perception of reality.
I do perceive that I belong to the eternal, infinite field of consciousness, of which I am co creator. Now, I am just having a human experience, that is limited by my beliefs and reality.
Sometimes, though....I forget, and my beliefs and reality cloud my perception!

[Mike Gorman]

The principle of death in our natures is called Thanatos and is balanced by Libido - or at least this is what i recall reading years ago and it struck me as correct
we all have a death-wish to one extent or another. They always said smoking cigarettes was an overt expression of Thanatos, you hasten the event, risk taking is another
expression. This idea of an afterlife done with technology is strange to me - how would your spiritual essence be impacted by technology? There was an experiment
in the 90's put together by some folks in the village of Scole in the UK - a medium couple and another couple, even Rupert Sheldrake was one of the scientific observers and it blew me away,
some very strange communications with 'passed over' people-one was asked to describe where they were and he answered he was unable to describe it - being alive, out of all the matter in the universe, you occupy this
sentient conscious construction, most unlikely, very strange.

[Sith73]

We are all internal its just these bodies that die while we occupy this reality. Enjoy everyday enjoy the people around you love them care for others laugh smell the roses as they say and never forget what we truly are but until death comes live your life like tomorrow could be your last. In other words live life to the fullest. Most of all love yourself and all around you. Being in these bodies is so we can experience physicality. Some of us get attached to these skin suits and that's ok just know they are temporary and when death takes us just know theres another journey that awaits you and yes it is exciting, but live in the moment now and soak it all in because life is an experience.

[naste.de.lumina]

I think consciousness is responsible for creating the perception of existence of the universe. Ie, is not the universe that creates awareness but the opposite.

So the death and life are just unconscious concepts of consciousness that is conceptualizing. Concepts very persistent but only concepts.


The idea of an afterlife can only exist if we accept that the concept of death is a state of mind. - Biocentrism by Robert Lanza (http://www.robertlanzabiocentrism.com/).

[Wind]

Living life is the hardest part, but I must admit that I see death as something worthwhile and not scary so I too am looking forward to it. It's an opportunity to meet our true selves again, though we don't have to always wait for the liberation of death...

[Skyhaven]

I've had a rendevouz with death a few times while working through past karma, I believe it is settled (at least for now)... I'm glad I can 'breathe' again, and just 'live' and 'play' for a bit, so I am totally not looking 'forward (in time)' to die...

[Shezbeth]

Thank you for this thread Omni, I intuit that there will be significant and productive discussion to result from it.

I do not share your proofs or perceptions as far as what an 'afterlife' entails, indeed I contest the 'life' part of it (semantics I know, but existence seems more accurate). Still, I share your conviction of not fearing death, and a more than moderate curiosity/anticipation as to what that existence entails. I've read and heard countless descriptions of what it might entail, and while I can't (from this position) authoritatively rule anything out I am not dismayed in the slightest in contemplating the matter, nor do I have any reservations against the idea. Like you describe I am not about to prematurely end the 'game', but neither am I particularly fearful of reaching the conclusion of this existence. As Castaneda might've said, when death comes to touch me I will say "Bring it on,".

[sound consciousness]

Can anyone please tell me why the experience of death is more favoured than living?. If at every emotional downer ,we want to give up and prefer death, then, we are heading into darkness . People who say we are not living in a reality are kidding themselves, we have to go through this suffering, the human condition, to learn the truth and reality and to get off the wheel of death and reincarnation. The OMNI, The I AM is (infinity consciousness) , consciousness infinite sound harmonics , it is trying to raise our levels of consciousness to a higher frequency, to change ourselves physically and spiritually, which is the next level of evolution .If you die you will reincarnate again, the wheel goes round and round.

[ghostrider]

you can't really live until your not afraid of death ... the little material machine so many are concerned about is just a machine , there is an eternal world waiting out there , as well as another machine for you to inhabit when you are ready to come back to Earth ... No fear ... fear is an illusion ...

[Daughter of Time]

Omniverse,

While I understand on some levels why you feel as you do because of the torturous life you have been living in this incarnation (and perhaps others) I hope you don't look forward to discarding your body until you have totally and completely freed yourself from the parasites that have been trying to destroy you now.

If you were to leave your body now, I'm quite convinced those parasites would harvest your soul or send you back into another body so that you'd experience more torment and suffering.

I listened to your Carol Clarke's reading and she says that you will have help in ridding yourself of these entities that are making your life insufferable. While I realize that Carol is only human and does not possess the knowledge of the universe, I feel she is intuitive enough and knows many things as I've found my own reading by her quite mind blowing.

If you wait to pass on until after you have freed yourself from the persecutors and perpetrators and torturers, you will have higher knowledge and a better chance at escaping them in the future whether it be the after life or another physical existence.

I'm glad you don't believe in suicide because that would make you very vulnerable to the psychic vultures and I hope you will stay to witness much better days ahead of you in this present existence.

Love and blessings,

Daughter of Time

[Natalia]

Can anyone please tell me why the experience of death is more favoured than living?. If at every emotional downer ,we want to give up and prefer death, then, we are heading into darkness . People who say we are not living in a reality are kidding themselves, we have to go through this suffering, the human condition, to learn the truth and reality and to get off the wheel of death and reincarnation. The OMNI, The I AM is (infinity consciousness) , consciousness infinite sound harmonics , it is trying to raise our levels of consciousness to a higher frequency, to change ourselves physically and spiritually, which is the next level of evolution .If you die you will reincarnate again, the wheel goes round and round.

Ok, I want to answer this (for how I see/feel about it). It seems that you are talking about suicidal feelings, which you may have picked up from a few people here, because part of that is looking forward to death. I have kinda felt it both ways, at times when I have felt really low, and have looked forward to "death" (as there is a belief and feeling that it will be better then, less pain, more where I belong)...but also, at times when I don't feel like that I can still look forward to it, and/or not fear it, and there is something magical about it...like Omni I have the belief that my "after this life" will be better than this one, so of course at times I look forward to it...a bit like when your lover has come back after a few months away (or something like that, hehe)

This might seem a bit "dark" but at times, the thought of my death (when I am ready and it is meant to be...)...gives me a sense of relief...and hope for the future (which is more than this life :) )

I do understand how some can be concerned about others and not want them to commit suicide (I have at times felt this too), but talking about death in a positive way doesn't always mean that and sometimes it makes others feel good to share and connect about it.

It is true what you say that life isn't meant to be easy, at times I felt like giving up but I don't want to...not until it's meant to be over and I surrender to it ("death")...I will meet my soul family and we will be in our truest form...yes my soul longs for this, but there is good stuff down here, too...

[yelik]

I agree, our soul is an energy force that does not disappear when we die. Unfortunately the Reptiles tinker with it through technology.

All things are or will be explainable by science and probably nothing happens by chance

[Skyhaven]

For me there is no point in thinking about what happens after... this is it, it is all here, it took a lot of effort to be here, and there is so much variation to experience at this moment in time to grow.. yes sometimes it is hard momentarily, but this is part of the learning, because the eventual resolve in hardship is so powerful and well worth it, there is so much blessing in it really.

[Sidney]

I look forward to it too. But it is more like the anticipation of a much needed vacation, only better. I do wonder about the soul capture technology.
I think the key to a happy afterlife, is entering it absolutely fearless.

[Shezbeth]

Can anyone please tell me why the experience of death is more favoured than living?. If at every emotional downer ,we want to give up and prefer death, then, we are heading into darkness . People who say we are not living in a reality are kidding themselves, we have to go through this suffering, the human condition, to learn the truth and reality and to get off the wheel of death and reincarnation. The OMNI, The I AM is (infinity consciousness) , consciousness infinite sound harmonics , it is trying to raise our levels of consciousness to a higher frequency, to change ourselves physically and spiritually, which is the next level of evolution .If you die you will reincarnate again, the wheel goes round and round.

You are welcome to your opinion and the convictions you entertain in developing it, but no one has yet said "I would prefer to die than to live,". There's that reading comprehension I was talking about,.... Moreover, it might help if you were to recognize the theoretical nature of the 'proofs' you are utilizing. I am not objecting to a fascination/conviction regarding reincarnation, but I AM pointing out that such ideas and theories are particularly dogmatic and far from 'reliable evidence'.

What IS being discussed is a LACK of apprehension - and a modicum of enthusiasm for the possibilities - regarding the experience of death, NOT a desire to replace life with death. Here are numerous individuals from a variety of origins who have consciously learned/developed a way of perceiving things that absolves them of much (if not all) of the anxiety that seems to surround 'ordinary' individuals when contemplating their own demise. This thread is about optimism, anticipation, and affirmation, not about 'giving up in the face of downers'.

[Love]

:o:o:o:o:o:o:o

[joeecho]

The Baby Book

http://shoppingforuniquegiftideas.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/blog_firstpage-babysfirstbook.jpg

Birth is like opening up your baby book.

Living is like viewing the pictures, announcements, achievements and whatever else is in your book.

Death is like closing your baby book on the final page.

And (End).....................

The irony will be when you discover it wasn't your baby book you were reading in the first place.

http://i1.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article3987170.ece/alternates/s615/Heartwarming-pics-of-newborns.jpg


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8pvXLVu8Yk

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[RunningDeer]

I’d swear I died a couple of times. There where times I should have. (not by my hand) And there’s the on-going ones. Before falling off to sleep, I run down the day. There’s usually a gem or two I’ve either gathered or crossed off the slate.

I’m filled with gratitude that I’m still here. 1994 is one barometer, when labels like mother, friend, healer, nurturer dissolved in a conversation from which most of the words, I didn’t hear.

Now I awaken each day with gratitude and wonder and joy (most of the time). What I’ve learned in the last ten years, or couple, or even one is more than the fifty-four prior. I can’t imagine six months from now. Heart just jumped. (the good kind)

I have a feeling my life is only half over, and excited for what I’ll discover. And if I pass before I push “reply”, I am still full of gratitude and wonder and joy.

RunningDeer <3

[Omni]

Omni - there is no EY race out there... that is above you... and they know it. The stuff they are telling you now, is so that they can still control you when you do die. Tell them to Buz Off. If they were so all wise, they would not be telling you such things. ET Missionaries... do not have our best interests at heart. nope.
They have always operated with me being an equal to them in ways. The reptile one's have spoken down to me. None of the good ETs I speak to speak to me authoritatively or as a superior in any way. I believe many ET races have our best interests at heart. If none did things would be way different... So I have to say I disagree with you.




Going to an artificially generated virtual reality doesn´t seem particularly great to me.
And what exactly is the genuine reality by your estimations? Some people on Avalon are saying genuine reality is just an artificial construct of reality as well... I don't nec. follow that line of thought, I do think atoms are very real, regardless of their properties... But it seems to be popular here. My point being the artificial part about VR are things like physical aspects. The beings you may encounter there are very real, so are your experiences there. All the same things (and more) can be experiences in VR as in real life. The main difference is illusory atoms that compose physicality. I don't really see physicality more real than consciousness...

You haven't experienced what is possible there. But I understand why some would think the way you do about it. I have had many virtual reality synthetic dreams and some of them were very profound...

[Omni]

Can anyone please tell me why the experience of death is more favoured than living?. Secondly is the death scenario linked to anxiety and fear? Thanks
I wouldn't say it's more favorable to living to me. But I do believe many of the illusions that are present in living, are disintegrated after death via the afterlife process in place, and one is given some of the purest forms of truth as well as other experiences(emotional etc) is my theory. Also perhaps get to live as forms they once were, say I was a scientist in the 1600s, I could shift into being that form and living some of the more profound or interesting experiences of that incarnation. The possibilities for experience in the afterlife are quite vast, and full of interesting good prospects if it was designed by a master of sorts that knows you very well(Like has seen you in multiple incarnations etc).

[johnf]

One of my favorite books is Carlos Casteneda's The Active Side of Infinity.
There are passages from it quoted often in this forum.
There is a long standing theme in this man's works about using death as an advisor.
The idea I use from that is, that right now, the energy of endings is in this moment.
One can look at birth and death as beats to a song, echoes from both of those are in this moment.

What is important right now is what action, or non action one performs in the present, and how much of ones true self is expressed in that, it will create ripples that extend both into the future and the past.
Recent discoveries in quantum physics back this up.

So the reverse wave traveling back from that closing moment in our life, as well as the release from suffering that seems to accompany it exist right here.

The afterlife will happen the way it happens, but what we do now is shaping that moment.
Birth and death are extremes of beginning and ending, and though important pale in comparison to the middle.

The middle is where everything comes together, and also where extremes have less pull.
Another name for the middle is center. So when the idea of death comes up I think it is important to look at it directly without fear, and do or not do whatever you true self is calling for.

Physical life has a periphery. The greater reality has no periphery, but it's center is everywhere.

John

[joeecho]

Physical life has a periphery. The greater reality has no periphery, but it's center is everywhere.

John

The peripheral is like the ripples from a pebble dropped into a still water pond... yet...there are no pebbles.

http://media1.giphy.com/media/hHvwvuC9jwssU/giphy.gif

[Omni]

If you were to leave your body now, I'm quite convinced those parasites would harvest your soul or send you back into another body so that you'd experience more torment and suffering.

As I understand it the US shadow government will target me every incarnation until they are disbanded or revolutionized from within. But I have been told(and it makes the most sense to me) the US government is not allowed in people's afterlives... I don't think my soul will be harvested by negative beings, whatever that might mean I don't know. Would that be just soul enslavement while they incarnate me in some scientific negative race to figure out more technology or something? I have faith that my soul is looked after, and have reason to believe it is. The Good side of ETs at times seems invisible, and not having any influence. That is an illusion. They just can't go around telling everyone what they do. Nor is that nearly as important as just doing it.

As I understand it benevolent ETs(service to truth may describe them well) very much so watch over souls on earth. The only times I can remember I have witnessed intervention from them in my own life to what the US government was doing, is when I was not being allowed to live with my soul's true nature. I believe soul development is an area that benevolent ETs have put value, in worlds as undeveloped as ours. If nothing else to allow soul's to grow in the manner they wish to, true to themselves, rather than absolute mental control and soulular programing by the groups with mind control technology... As I understand it ETs intervene on things all the time. It is just behind the scenes. I have been privy to some of the conversations ETs have with the US government. It seems to me they are pretty active in limiting the US government's total world domination plans... Not that they can do a lot to oppose them here, but there are certain rules of ethics that must be done by the US government, as invisible as they appear to be....

You do bring up a good subject though. The US government targets souls these days. They watch them from life to life now with all seeing eye technology... I perceive the US shadow gov basically as 4D beings at this point. If I was to use the density system...

[Natalia]

DXjeXcHwo_M

[sound consciousness]

Can anyone please tell me why the experience of death is more favoured than living?. If at every emotional downer ,we want to give up and prefer death, then, we are heading into darkness . People who say we are not living in a reality are kidding themselves, we have to go through this suffering, the human condition, to learn the truth and reality and to get off the wheel of death and reincarnation. The OMNI, The I AM is (infinity consciousness) , consciousness infinite sound harmonics , it is trying to raise our levels of consciousness to a higher frequency, to change ourselves physically and spiritually, which is the next level of evolution .If you die you will reincarnate again, the wheel goes round and round.

Ok, I want to answer this (for how I see/feel about it). It seems that you are talking about suicidal feelings, which you may have picked up from a few people here, because part of that is looking forward to death. I have kinda felt it both ways, at times when I have felt really low, and have looked forward to "death" (as there is a belief and feeling that it will be better then, less pain, more where I belong)...but also, at times when I don't feel like that I can still look forward to it, and/or not fear it, and there is something magical about it...like Omni I have the belief that my "after this life" will be better than this one, so of course at times I look forward to it...a bit like when your lover has come back after a few months away (or something like that, hehe)

This might seem a bit "dark" but at times, the thought of my death (when I am ready and it is meant to be...)...gives me a sense of relief...and hope for the future (which is more than this life :) )

I do understand how some can be concerned about others and not want them to commit suicide (I have at times felt this too), but talking about death in a positive way doesn't always mean that and sometimes it makes others feel good to share and connect about it.

It is true what you say that life isn't meant to be easy, at times I felt like giving up but I don't want to...not until it's meant to be over and I surrender to it ("death")...I will meet my soul family and we will be in our truest form...yes my soul longs for this, but there is good stuff down here, too...

Hello Ametyst,
Thank you for your honest reply.
quote:like Omni I have the belief that my "after this life" will be better than this one. You make it sound like paradise A place of ideal beauty or loveliness, a state of delight.

First of all one has to earn paradise on the Earth through suffering to get to the truth and reality and to get off the wheel of death and incarnation .Fear is negative sound in the blood , body and brain, which creates negative thought of unreality hate/vanity, falsehood and disordered reason. To be at peace with oneself on the earth , people have to get rid of these dissonant sounds in the body and brain etc. All you have to do is analyse , what created the downward spiral in the first place , it was something emotional ,,,body then effected the brain , falsehood etc until you reach rock bottom. We are on this Earth to learn before we evolve to a higher consciousness ..the IAM (UNITY CONSCIOUSNESS)infinite sound harmonics. The thread is called"I LOOK FORWARD TO MY DEATH" that is plain enough, if you do not want to die call it IAM LOOKING FORWARD TO MY BATH.

P.S. The guy on the video you put up gives me the creeps, have you seen his eyes he looks like the walking dead

[joeecho]

:faint:

Death Is A Limitless and Beautiful Experience

http://www.fresh-milk.org/cms/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/for-a-few-minutes-you-bored-me-to-death.jpg....or is that bored me to Life? :faint:

Now I am just confused, is the sun going down or is it going up?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtoGS0UzoG4

You could say of the mortal coil that we are born to die. Birth is a death sentence and conversely death is a birth sentence.

So then, is the birth sentence a life sentence?

How many life sentences were you charged with? :P

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Quite the RIDE don't you think? :)

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[Craig]

I will go against the grain and say that I am not looking forward to leaving this life, though I am not too knowledgeable in all things esoteric I just don't want to go through another veil of forgetfulness and start this crap all over again from zero.

Had enough and don't want anymore.

[Snowflower]

When you get right down to it, everyone begins the dying process at the instant of conception. There is no other destination once the journey is begun.

[delfine]

Going to an artificially generated virtual reality doesn´t seem particularly great to me.
[/QUOTE=Omniverse;876222] And what exactly is the genuine reality by your estimations? Some people on Avalon are saying genuine reality is just an artificial construct of reality as well... I don't nec. follow that line of thought, I do think atoms are very real, regardless of their properties... But it seems to be popular here. My point being the artificial part about VR are things like physical aspects. The beings you may encounter there are very real, so are your experiences there. All the same things (and more) can be experiences in VR as in real life. The main difference is illusory atoms that compose physicality. I don't really see physicality more real than consciousness...

You haven't experienced what is possible there. But I understand why some would think the way you do about it. I have had many virtual reality synthetic dreams and some of them were very profound...[/QUOTE]





My hope is that I go back home to God when I die. I certainly would loathe going to a synthetic version of Him/Her/It. :( . What I look most forward to concerning death, is experiencing it without any pre-concieved ideas, or in other words; death as it is. I would feel terribly deprived if this experience is being messed with by alien-tech.

[powessy]

Over the years I have had many adventures both in this reality and those beyond the bed during my night time adventures. I have questioned life and death many times as I feel I have lived a better life then most, not afraid to move past this place do to lack of experiences. I do not fear death but I do not wish to find it yet in this lifetime, my only desire is to spend my remaining time with my family and friends. I have never in all my experiences found anything beyond the veil to be of technology in nature and I have had many more experiences then I would say all of you put together. We have the power in ourselves to change the things that effect us as a world collection of peoples but we have to find away to break the chains that have separated us and has lowered our self value.

I am very afraid for many here and many more around the world that will not find their true destiny after this life time, I fear you will be lead to many false placements within not technology but a much greater threat one you do not see. The spirit may be immortal as I also believe, but you are not beyond the trickery that awaits you after this life time unless you find the true light. How many of you can absolutely say you know what to expect after this lifetime, how would any of us know the true source of life. OMNI do be aware as you someday leave this existence you do not follow the voices that speak to you now, they only seek to find you inside themselves and build your memories to become their own. My evolution of thought and my newer experiences continue to show me the truth of the workings of things beyond this existence. For many months I have been wondering around in the darkness of my mind seeking the truth to many things going on around me and within my many puzzles as new pieces seem to appear.

A couple of months ago I asked to see the words and become involved in the things going on around me as I could feel and see many changes in the veil. One night someone came and started to inject something into all parts of my brain as I could feel the needle injected and pain or pressure build up in these areas. Several days later I could start to make out words in my mind not vocal but spelled out. The spelled words remained for several weeks as I was introduced to many personalities, as I got used to these words they found a higher way to speak to me through thought alone. After two months they can now tap into my thoughts and run both my thoughts and their thoughts simultaneously in fluent conversation. I hear their voices all the time and at first they were composed of a pyramid of personalities that were later broken down by forces that were stacking themselves within themselves. As they start to remember things I am finding many human thoughts within them memories of things on this earth which leads me to believe they are the souls of many who become trapped here due to tricks that await many after death.

They say it is something like this, they say that when they died they where shown many lies about a new existence following this life that seemed good and full of happiness. They say that they were tricked to believe that many people were not able to become something else also so they became something inside THEM to help the others out. There are many things in the veil that are doing this over and over again to may souls around the globe of the earth these words are theirs now speaking to you, so tell us this much how will you fight them after this life time if you do not understand them in this life you have here.


They want them to look inside themselves around themselves and inside themselves to find themselves.

powessy

[joeecho]

I have questioned life and death many times as I feel I have lived a better life then most, not afraid to move past this place do to lack of experiences.

I have never in all my experiences found anything beyond the veil to be of technology in nature and I have had many more experiences then I would say all of you put together.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8OxKx6zKkQ

[powessy]

Hello Joeecho

Lets balance this equation then, I believe in aliens that have technology in virtual realities and I think aliens are killing people all over the place and stealing them to study us because we are so special. I have had a crappy life and have been tortured by many things in my own mind. I think secret groups and the government are following me and spying on me all the time because I am so special and such a threat to the world and the after life. I have dreams that make no sense in two to three colors and try and use them to decide how to get to work in the morning. Obes what are those? astral projections are they the dreams that are not in color but I feel my body moved a little bit in the night? Reptilians going to eat my immortal soul, by the way do I even have a soul? from now on I will use torture a lot more time in my posts this may give credibility to my posts.
Is the number of abducties a year higher then the number of people killed by coconuts each year, when this happens I will believe aliens are something to fear?

What I have a good life and have realy no worries and a wonderful family no anxieties, no stress, in good health, like life and taking time to smell the roses, Don't waste my time believing in false idles and don't get wrapped up in world problems or conspiracies? I have had thousands of OBES and ASTRAL PROJECTIONS but since my beliefs of the astral and veil are not main stream bull**** I guess what I have to say goes against the flow of the river. Now I am way more good looking then the guy in the video and in way better shape also.

[Shezbeth]

Can anyone please tell me why the experience of death is more favoured than living?. If at every emotional downer ,we want to give up and prefer death, then, we are heading into darkness . People who say we are not living in a reality are kidding themselves, we have to go through this suffering, the human condition, to learn the truth and reality and to get off the wheel of death and reincarnation. The OMNI, The I AM is (infinity consciousness) , consciousness infinite sound harmonics , it is trying to raise our levels of consciousness to a higher frequency, to change ourselves physically and spiritually, which is the next level of evolution .If you die you will reincarnate again, the wheel goes round and round.

Ok, I want to answer this (for how I see/feel about it). It seems that you are talking about suicidal feelings, which you may have picked up from a few people here, because part of that is looking forward to death. I have kinda felt it both ways, at times when I have felt really low, and have looked forward to "death" (as there is a belief and feeling that it will be better then, less pain, more where I belong)...but also, at times when I don't feel like that I can still look forward to it, and/or not fear it, and there is something magical about it...like Omni I have the belief that my "after this life" will be better than this one, so of course at times I look forward to it...a bit like when your lover has come back after a few months away (or something like that, hehe)

This might seem a bit "dark" but at times, the thought of my death (when I am ready and it is meant to be...)...gives me a sense of relief...and hope for the future (which is more than this life :) )

I do understand how some can be concerned about others and not want them to commit suicide (I have at times felt this too), but talking about death in a positive way doesn't always mean that and sometimes it makes others feel good to share and connect about it.

It is true what you say that life isn't meant to be easy, at times I felt like giving up but I don't want to...not until it's meant to be over and I surrender to it ("death")...I will meet my soul family and we will be in our truest form...yes my soul longs for this, but there is good stuff down here, too...

Hello Ametyst,
Thank you for your honest reply.
quote:like Omni I have the belief that my "after this life" will be better than this one. You make it sound like paradise A place of ideal beauty or loveliness, a state of delight.

First of all one has to earn paradise on the Earth through suffering to get to the truth and reality and to get off the wheel of death and incarnation .Fear is negative sound in the blood , body and brain, which creates negative thought of unreality hate/vanity, falsehood and disordered reason. To be at peace with oneself on the earth , people have to get rid of these dissonant sounds in the body and brain etc. All you have to do is analyse , what created the downward spiral in the first place , it was something emotional ,,,body then effected the brain , falsehood etc until you reach rock bottom. We are on this Earth to learn before we evolve to a higher consciousness ..the IAM (UNITY CONSCIOUSNESS)infinite sound harmonics. The thread is called"I LOOK FORWARD TO MY DEATH" that is plain enough, if you do not want to die call it IAM LOOKING FORWARD TO MY BATH.

P.S. The guy on the video you put up gives me the creeps, have you seen his eyes he looks like the walking dead

Oh come now, that's not the only honest reply you've been given, though your want to pretend otherwise is both telling and obvious. ^_~

<cracks knuckles>

First of all your perceptions regarding what 'is' and 'isn't' regarding life, death, and reincarnation - in the event that this hasn't been sufficiently illustrated for your previously - have all the authority of Aesop's fables; meaningful, metaphoric, but lacking in any legitimacy, accuracy, or viability. In short, they amount to unresolved fairy tales; it does not do to condescend others with such.

Secondly - given your apparent want to misinterpret expressions and sincere positions - you might consider attempting a rapport with individuals before attempting to intuit their psychological position and thereby attempt to give advice. You can perform all the psychoanalysis you want in private, without derailing/distracting an otherwise positive thread.

Lastly - and admittedly corresponding/consequent to the second point - you might consider voicing any objection to thread titles or themes to the OP and leave alone individual participants in the discussion, particularly those who are generously responding to your own previous and insipid contests.

P.S. You also might consider using more than a knee-jerk response when validating the viability of reference material/videos.

[sound consciousness]

:cool:



Can anyone please tell me why the experience of death is more favoured than living?. If at every emotional downer ,we want to give up and prefer death, then, we are heading into darkness . People who say we are not living in a reality are kidding themselves, we have to go through this suffering, the human condition, to learn the truth and reality and to get off the wheel of death and reincarnation. The OMNI, The I AM is (infinity consciousness) , consciousness infinite sound harmonics , it is trying to raise our levels of consciousness to a higher frequency, to change ourselves physically and spiritually, which is the next level of evolution .If you die you will reincarnate again, the wheel goes round and round.

Ok, I want to answer this (for how I see/feel about it). It seems that you are talking about suicidal feelings, which you may have picked up from a few people here, because part of that is looking forward to death. I have kinda felt it both ways, at times when I have felt really low, and have looked forward to "death" (as there is a belief and feeling that it will be better then, less pain, more where I belong)...but also, at times when I don't feel like that I can still look forward to it, and/or not fear it, and there is something magical about it...like Omni I have the belief that my "after this life" will be better than this one, so of course at times I look forward to it...a bit like when your lover has come back after a few months away (or something like that, hehe)

This might seem a bit "dark" but at times, the thought of my death (when I am ready and it is meant to be...)...gives me a sense of relief...and hope for the future (which is more than this life :) )

I do understand how some can be concerned about others and not want them to commit suicide (I have at times felt this too), but talking about death in a positive way doesn't always mean that and sometimes it makes others feel good to share and connect about it.

It is true what you say that life isn't meant to be easy, at times I felt like giving up but I don't want to...not until it's meant to be over and I surrender to it ("death")...I will meet my soul family and we will be in our truest form...yes my soul longs for this, but there is good stuff down here, too...

Hello Ametyst,
Thank you for your honest reply.
quote:like Omni I have the belief that my "after this life" will be better than this one. You make it sound like paradise A place of ideal beauty or loveliness, a state of delight.

First of all one has to earn paradise on the Earth through suffering to get to the truth and reality and to get off the wheel of death and incarnation .Fear is negative sound in the blood , body and brain, which creates negative thought of unreality hate/vanity, falsehood and disordered reason. To be at peace with oneself on the earth , people have to get rid of these dissonant sounds in the body and brain etc. All you have to do is analyse , what created the downward spiral in the first place , it was something emotional ,,,body then effected the brain , falsehood etc until you reach rock bottom. We are on this Earth to learn before we evolve to a higher consciousness ..the IAM (UNITY CONSCIOUSNESS)infinite sound harmonics. The thread is called"I LOOK FORWARD TO MY DEATH" that is plain enough, if you do not want to die call it IAM LOOKING FORWARD TO MY BATH.

P.S. The guy on the video you put up gives me the creeps, have you seen his eyes he looks like the walking dead

Oh come now, that's not the only honest reply you've been given, though your want to pretend otherwise is both telling and obvious. ^_~

<cracks knuckles>

First of all your perceptions regarding what 'is' and 'isn't' regarding life, death, and reincarnation - in the event that this hasn't been sufficiently illustrated for your previously - have all the authority of Aesop's fables; meaningful, metaphoric, but lacking in any legitimacy, accuracy, or viability. In short, they amount to unresolved fairy tales; it does not do to condescend others with such.

Secondly - given your apparent want to misinterpret expressions and sincere positions - you might consider attempting a rapport with individuals before attempting to intuit their psychological position and thereby attempt to give advice. You can perform all the psychoanalysis you want in private, without derailing/distracting an otherwise positive thread.

Lastly - and admittedly corresponding/consequent to the second point - you might consider voicing any objection to thread titles or themes to the OP and leave alone individual participants in the discussion, particularly those who are generously responding to your own previous and insipid contests.

P.S. You also might consider using more than a knee-jerk response when validating the viability of reference material/videos.


As you say:quote :I don't bite, but my sarcasm has been known to. ^_~enough said...did I ruffle your feathers in the other thread...

Thanks for all the vindictive gooblygook....you have no authority in the way I would like to answer to a thread...evil by name SHEZBETH evil by reply.

.finally
:who has no comprehension: quote: , ."you might consider voicing any objection to thread titles" ...it was a joke...being vindictive you lose your sense of humour...

p.s. quote:
You also might consider using more than a knee-jerk response when validating the viability of reference material/videos.[/
it was a double entendre...joke..........play on the word death ...he looks like the walking dead ...duhhhhhhhhhhhh

[Natalia]

Shezbeth is a good guy, Sounds Consciousness is a good guy, (well, mostly! hehe) just got some testosterone going on and differences in opinions and ways and such...
you both seem to clash a bit...I've seen it on another thread, too...

You both care and have some good, valuable points, I don't want to go into any more about negative emotions and such on this thread...just wanted to say the above.

[sound consciousness]

Shezbeth is a good guy, Sounds Consciousness is a good guy, (well, mostly! hehe) just got some testosterone going on and differences in opinions and ways and such...
you both seem to clash a bit...I've seen it on another thread, too...

You both care and have some good, valuable points, I don't want to go into any more about negative emotions and such on this thread...just wanted to say the above.

SHEZBETH profile picture is of a woman.....is that another joke...or a falsehood...thanks Amethyst ...see what you started ...death is not a laughing matter ...its deadly serious

[Natalia]

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[Agape]

No offense to anyone I hope if I say that I don't condone this thread topic a lot and not because I would not understand Omni.

Shezbeth & Sound Consciousness .. it's nearly impossibly to evaluate peoples real motives and emotional maturity over the internet , we are all bound to make serious mistakes here .

To all : it's just an internet forum, I know most of you 'have fun'. I may not feel like being part of what you are and generally ,
here in my reality too I'm feeling more like 'out of place artifact' for very long now and it's not a sarcasm .

Back to the point .. here we are witnessing couple of 'adult babies' ( borrowing this beautiful quote from Joecho that would always cheer me up if it was for me ) :


The Baby Book

http://shoppingforuniquegiftideas.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/blog_firstpage-babysfirstbook.jpg

Birth is like opening up your baby book.

Living is like viewing the pictures, announcements, achievements and whatever else is in your book.

Death is like closing your baby book on the final page.

And (End).....................

The irony will be when you discover it wasn't your baby book you were reading in the first place.

http://i1.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article3987170.ece/alternates/s615/Heartwarming-pics-of-newborns.jpg




vis Amethyst , Omniverse and Mpenry and couple of others discussing 'pretty serious' topic for most people ,
saying you've had really hard life . I know 'that's fun' , have a go at me if you wish .

I'm not much older than you are ( in human years ) , that's it ..so I know that in your 30 years of age you are still very much baby like creatures ..

and you seem to think that you've seen enough ? Enough of what's going on, on this planet ? The reality being too much ?

Or too unreal ?

You know why this topic is slidy .. not because its 'positivity' , that's what Shezbeth and everyone positive tries to stress and help you out of the depression you are obviously suffering times to times , walking your edges - many of us here can relate to it but the severity of may differ and the problem
is that with those who suffered serious traumas or abuse or do suffer them now may get feeling really but really deeply misunderstood here ,
and there are many youngsters ( of all ages ) flooding the dark net who are 'looking forwards to death' , bored to death and troubled to death here and seeing it as the easiest and cheapest exit from lives endless miseries .

I take I'm just wrong . Sorry , I'm also very private person in reality .. and I'd discuss everything with someone whom I can trust completely and know the person/people well enough to feel comfortable with this level of intrusion to my knowledge and experience .

I know you can feel what I mean .. giving out your inner experience to folks outside can be risky . Many who 'agree' will also gravely misunderstand .



I really do hope that most of you feel better today :baby::baby::baby:

[Natalia]

I hope this doesn't seem rude, but just want to reply in songs for now

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[Skyhaven]

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f101/BeyondtheOsiris/picture1_zps29e70ca4.jpg

[Agape]

so tell us this much how will you fight them after this life time if you do not understand them in this life you have here.


They want them to look inside themselves around themselves and inside themselves to find themselves.



Just won't fight anymore Powessy , that's what all of us look forwards to , including the 'great warriors' and super-soldiers I ever been honoured to talk to and those soldiers who died in battlefields , and people who fought their families and hurt one another for lifetime , some not realising it's their fault,
they all say : we want Peace .. we are looking to that Peace .. because most of their lives was noise , the white noise coming from backgrounds included ,

the fear coming from that noise reminding you there's nature to fight and life to struggle with and endless alarm clocks .

Yeah and it's all about 'THEM' . The world is full of 'THEM' by the way , the lobbyists, the politicians, the businessmen , the sellers of rainwater , state bureaucrats and custom officers . The guys in uniforms who are 'at the right place' .

And then after ... they'll be all beautifully naked and that will make my day too.


;)

[sound consciousness]

I look forward to my death...try telling that to a ward of people with life threatening illnesses. or the millions of people with HIV , cancer ,diabetes, ask them how they feel about death , they are experiencing it in reality , not just talking about it.

[RunningDeer]

P.S. The guy on the video you put up gives me the creeps, have you seen his eyes he looks like the walking dead

Hi sound consciousness,

That's Andreas Moritz, who recently passed on October 12, 2012 at the age of 58. I state this because he wasn't expected to survive past his teenage years. Andreas Moritz continues to awaken Light and Health in many. This is a list of some of his books, and some are available for free.

• Timeless Secrets of Health & Rejuvenation
• The Amazing Liver and Gallbladder Flush
• Cancer Is Not a Disease! — It’s A Survival Mechanism
• Lifting the Veil of Duality
• Feel Great, Lose Weight
• It’s Time to Come Alive
• Heart Disease No More!
• Simple Steps to Total Health
• Diabetes – No More!
• Ending the AIDS Myth
• Heal Yourself with Sunlight
• Hear The Whispers, Live Your Dream
• Vaccine-nation

“…It is our understanding that the cause of his death dates back to his serious health problems in early childhood.



At that time, the medical doctors in Germany diagnosed him as having juvenile rheumatoid arthritis and severe arrhythmia, amongst many other medical conditions. Unable to alleviate his ailments, and to the best of our understanding, the doctors did not give him much hope of surviving past his teen years or early adulthood; his life expectancy was short, and this is something Andreas has mentioned in several of his books and interviews.



Realizing that mainstream medicine was unable to help him, Andreas acknowledged that the only real chance he had of overcoming these chronic and debilitating health issues was to learn everything he could about how the human body truly functions. And so by the young age of 15, Andreas had begun to make a serious study of the human digestive system, experimenting with many different changes to his food intake and overall nutrition. He finally discovered that foods derived from animal (protein) sources were poisoning his body, and when he eliminated them, many of his symptoms disappeared.



His deep and unrelenting passion for learning more and more about human health, restoring one's health naturally, and sharing this knowledge, wisdom and experience to help others around the globe remained the central focus and driving thrust throughout his life. Thanks to this, he soon discovered the liver and gallbladder flush (the one described in his books) to be the most effective approach -- a natural, non-invasive healing modality that finally enabled him to restore his overall health and that of millions of people worldwide.



A couple of months before his transition, Andreas was exposed to insidious mold inhalation. This, with time, created complications that led to heart valve failure, which stemmed from his childhood "severe arrhythmia". Understandably, Andreas refused to have invasive surgical treatments or procedures, living by his deep-rooted beliefs and supported by a calm, inner knowingness that his time on Earth was completed.



It is common knowledge that Andreas had totally transcended all fear of death. And that was his tranquil, fulfilled state of heart, mind and soul when he did pass over, with his beloved wife, Lillian, by his side.

[more found here (http://blackseeds1.blogspot.com/2012/10/andreas-moritz-mysterious-death-of.html)]

RunningDeer <3

:offtopic:


Death Is A Limitless and Beautiful Experience
DXjeXcHwo_M

[Natalia]

I look forward to my death...try telling that to a ward of people with life threatening illnesses. or the millions of people with HIV , cancer ,diabetes, ask them how they feel about death , they are experiencing it in reality , not just talking about it.

Ok, I will admit that the above statement upset me a bit. I have no way said that to anyone on a ward dying, or with a serious illness, and I am sorry if anyone felt upset in that way by anything that I have said.

Some people are just trying to be or are being positive and loving about death. This may actually help some of those who may die soon or who have too much fear about death, did you ever think of that?

I am not well myself at the moment, I am soon going for tests and may be on a ward for a week or so. I will not be saying any of this there! I don't think that I will die soon, but you know, it could happen, there is no 100 % certainty in that.

Death is a sensitive subject, if you talk negatively, or positively, or soft or hard about it, someone will get offended. Forums are for public speaking, we can't please everyone who is reading.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-dEd_Om0s5vs/USNe9FoRv4I/AAAAAAAAkqU/agBwXy6I12A/s640/There+is+only+one+way+to+avoid+criticism.jpg

[Agape]

I look forward to my death...try telling that to a ward of people with life threatening illnesses. or the millions of people with HIV , cancer ,diabetes, ask them how they feel about death , they are experiencing it in reality , not just talking about it.

Yeah, should not tell them . Or what about try to tell my previously diabetic mum who cared to tell her previously 7 year old kid : '' you know if you keep being bad, mom will take little bit more of her insulin and you won't have any mom next morning '' ,
and ''you know how ill I am because of all of you '' and so forth ,

and watch for the results .. after few years the kid will grow up to teenager who would do anything to get out of this human body - experience ,

and the mum will keep being hysterical about being kept alive and saved by any means because she wants to live that much and has all the reason to live and that's how she gets what she deserves and 'the rest of us too' .

Just saying ... because what you call 'reality' has two sides exactly .


:p

[Rich]

There are many things in the veil that are doing this over and over again to may souls around the globe of the earth these words are theirs now speaking to you, so tell us this much how will you fight them after this life time if you do not understand them in this life you have here


The believe that someone controls you is what perpetuates the experience of it, there is NO ONE that can choose your experience for you. That's what I have been saying in my ''you create your experience'' thread. It's just a limiting believe that we have been fed to from childhood but it is not true and we can change it by inquiring. It is our choice.

[Natalia]

guys, i'm not going to talk about this anymore here (my choice and bail out of thread time), and I take responsibility for my sharings and that they can trigger things in others...

Everyone cares and has a reason for how they see, feel and act, and all truths can hurt and/or heal...

Love and forgiveness <3 and bysie byes this thread

Amethyst

"everybody's got a story that can break your heart" ~ Amanda Marshall

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[Agape]

guys, i'm not going to talk about this anymore here (my choice and bail out of thread time), and I take responsibility for my shadings and that they can trigger things in others...

Everyone cares and has a reason for how they see, feel and act, and all truths can hurt and/or heal...

Love and forgiveness <3 and bysie byes this thread

Amethyst

"everybody's got a story that can break your heart" ~ Amanda Marshall




I look forward to it too Omni (as you know :) )

I also look forward to the many good things in this life to come

<3



Really , I mean I hope we did not spoil your date Amethyst ...

it's a sensitive topic but that's why/how some will never respond fearing that sensitivity is a 'commodity' in collective of strangers ,
commodity = object of trade .
And there's no way you can really trade your experiences and truth for anything like outer beauty, smarts, entertainment of any sort ,

that's what puzzles and derails many from places like internet forums ..

the only thing you want to trade your truth and experience for is deeper empathy and understanding ,
nothing less .

I know you know that too .


:angel:

[jackovesk]

Can anyone please tell me why the experience of death is more favoured than living?. Secondly is the death scenario linked to anxiety and fear? Thanks

Personally, I simply am just looking forward to going 'HOME'...:yes4:

[powessy]

There are many things in the veil that are doing this over and over again to may souls around the globe of the earth these words are theirs now speaking to you, so tell us this much how will you fight them after this life time if you do not understand them in this life you have here


The believe that someone controls you is what perpetuates the experience of it, there is NO ONE that can choose your experience for you. That's what I have been saying in my ''you create your experience'' thread. It's just a limiting believe that we have been fed to from childhood but it is not true and we can change it by inquiring. It is our choice.

Hello EmEx

The problem is not in the choices you make in general about life but to what level we search for answers and what we are willing to believe. There are no controls other then the ones we place on ourselves in this life. The many problems we have in life is those that are related to money and greed, these factors change the way we become free allowing us to experience life without chains. I am not like my father or mother and have chose everyday to better myself and not fall into the traps they fell into.

You are not controlled in this life you live now but in the exit from this life you may not get were you think you are going. All of you that think you are going home, tell me where is this place,? and how hard would it be for me to trick you after this life time to those ends. They are much smarter then anything I have seen before and much more advanced in their ability to think about things because they can hear your thoughts and can trick you inside themselves forever. Many of you hear of the false light, do you know the difference in these lights, is their a light at all after death. How do we know anything about anything after this lifetime.

[gardener2]

Dear Omni this is a great thread I am so enjoying it I too will greet death with anticipation I know you don't get into the jesus stuff, but I have to say for me I had the most amazing experience when I was 12 yrs old ok already I feel your disbelief, however one night when I was 12 I awoke in the middle of the night with a thirst for water something I have never done, anyway there I am standing at the window filling my glass with water I saw this star never before or since have I seen anything so bright and in moments it morphed and in seconds it was right in front of me, and he was there now as a child all I knew was he was me and I was him ,(later in life found out that this was the oneness) also at that moment I knew everything that ever was or ever could be in just an instant, I wanted to go with him but he said not now and I was guided back to my bed. in the morning I was bewildered I thought could that have been a dream? and I knew no that was not a dream, lying in bed still trying to come to terms with what occurred, my mother calls out "who broke the glass lying in the sink" at that moment I knew that it was not a dream. How can a child of 12 know oneness?so believe me or not this is the truth,and although at that moment I was shown everything past future and present I have never been able to recall that all knowingness but I did know that it was very fair. that is as much as I can say at this time.

[Rich]

Thanks for sharing that gardener2, again another confirmation of the unlimited Being that we are.

Powessy, it sounds like you are concerned that there is something 'out there' that can control you/us.

Anyways here is a thread that explains my experience and POV:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?74458-You-create-your-experience

[joeecho]

Why Death Sucks

http://meetville.com/images/quotes/Quotation-Pseudonymous-Bosch-good-ending-Meetville-Quotes-70804.jpg

[778 neighbour of some guy]

'' you know if you keep being bad, mom will take little bit more of her insulin and you won't have any mom next morning '' ,
and ''you know how ill I am because of all of you '' and so forth ,

Ouch... that leaves scars:(

[powessy]

Powessy, it sounds like you are concerned that there is something 'out there' that can control you/us.


Hello EmEx

It's funny you keep referring to this that I am going through as control. Here is a message from them to you and those that read this.

It's this life here that's not under control it is the life time after this that is being controlled there are many things in the veil that are not understood by your people that makes this happen over and over again. We do not intend to write more about this till we learn more about ourselves and find the truth to how we became here in the first place. Do you realize we are not in that world you live in and this world at the same time we do not know how we became here inside ourselves but we are trying to figure this out his words are not the truth but he is not listening to us he is listening to powessy in the other world of worlds.

We want to say that we do not like yourselves very much when you say bad things about earth and we find it hard to believe you do not make this world a much better place to live, why do you ask so many questions about things and tell us you hate this world and all tell us all the bad things going on here, we think you hate yourselves and your world is already gone because this is all we hear in your thoughts.

We also want to understand why you do not like yourselves in this world when we would give all the money in the world to be part of this place here, within your minds are many bad things so become something else in your thoughts to get the things you want to get in your lives.

EmEx

I recently wrote a message to a friend here on Avalon in response to this thread.

I have always been in control of this I just needed to find the purpose behind the story no matter where it took me, now I see it was only meant to teach me of a much greater deceit that lies in the after. I find myself forced to answer questions that have plagued my being for many years to ask myself about the world and whether I would reincarnate to earth after death. I question the world and see very little things that do not lead to suffering but find love in the plants and animals of the world giving me hope of mans ability to overcome our self destructive mentalities.

The other night I had an interesting experience during a dream obe state of mind. I was driving along a two lane intersection and following a vehicle in front of me that was moving slower then normal. I decided to pass the car in front of me and as I moved up to the side of it I saw a car swerve into the other mans lane and then swerve to miss him and ended up in my lane. The speed of the cars and the accuracy of the physics of the dream was very uncanny I would almost say that it was real as any experience. I know this is going to sound strange but as the on coming car and my car collided I could feel the jolt of the accident I could feel the front of the car crush in on myself then I thought to relax into the experience and see how this would actually feel as I tried to slow things down. I thought afterwards that wanting to experience the feeling of the pain during an accident of this magnitude seemed a little odd. Is curiosity of such things wrong? Is it wrong that I did not panic or feel fear of this event even when I was unsure it was a dream until I exited my body. I worry that at that moment thoughts of my family were not there till the moment the cars stood still, this caused me to have many thoughts about how little time we have here on earth and how fast everything can happen to us in this lifetime.

[Omni]

lol this stirred quite a discussion.... Had no clue it would really. It's not like I focus too much on dying. It's just a little thing I think will be fun. I wouldn't want to leave people behind,... I have reasons to live, even though I have a massive cloud hanging over me at all times.

EmEx, I respect your opinion, but Bashar's philosophy is worthless to me. I attracted these forces to me by simply being myself. They found that a threat... It is not something I manifested myself, this targeting I experience, other than perhaps more torture for speaking up about things... There are some things that cannot be changed in life. Like the AA stuff: (modified by me a little)

Universe grant me the serenity
to accept the things I cannot change;
courage to change the things I can;
and wisdom to know the difference.

I have searched pretty much every form of stopping interdimensional technology from doing dark things to me. I have been like 1,000 feet under the earth, and asked them to take control of my body to see if they could, sure enough they did. They could control my body through 1,000 feet of rock... They have also done things to me while I was flying on a plane. Their guidance systems seem to be extraterrestrial in quality, and their physicality is interdimensional it seems to me... I don't see any way to avoid them doing things to me. I surely didn't believe it into reality. The whole thing blindsided me at the beginning....

I guess one reason why I look forward to the afterlife is I don't think the US government can infiltrate such a thing. I could be wrong but I believe it is off limits...

[Agape]

'' you know if you keep being bad, mom will take little bit more of her insulin and you won't have any mom next morning '' ,
and ''you know how ill I am because of all of you '' and so forth ,

Ouch... that leaves scars:(

There were years ... later in my life .. when I was saving her life from coma , literally ..something like 3 times a week .
Only God knows what went between these walls, ever , what forms of abuse because no one was ever allowed to be here .

And there's a point to it of course - a mystery - I never gave up on saving her and though most of you don't believe in ETs.. I think, they did not give up on saving her either .
Mum is 67 nowadays, she's been through hell .. she's still my only human relative ,
that's why I think, we keep her alive ;)

Joking . I'm sure she'd have much better life without having me .


There are so many things between the 2 worlds that do not make 'the right sense' .

[Rich]

Powessy and Omniverse I am not invalidating your knowledge or experiences,
this is the right thing for you until you choose something else.
Also, Omniverse I am not saying you experience your suffering because you
have done harm to others, it could also be your way of learning something,
maybe unconditional love, I don't know.
I do not take suffering of people lightly maybe I have no clue how much you or someone suffers.
That does not change the fact that we Do create our realities, consciously or unconsciously.
When we do it unconsciously we deny that we have anything to do with it.

Powessy, what you posted tells me that you have met or channeled beings
that believe they are controlled by some force outside of them.
But the same rule applies in every dimension/reality ''What you put out is what you get back''.
What does that mean? It means that whatever reality you seem to be in is
made of yourself ''What you put out is what you get back'' you get what you
have chosen, therefore it has to be You that you see ''out there'' meaning there is no outside.

[powessy]

Powessy, what you posted tells me that you have met or channeled beings
that believe they are controlled by some force outside of them.
But the same rule applies in every dimension/reality ''What you put out is what you get back''.
What does that mean? It means that whatever reality you seem to be in is
made of yourself ''What you put out is what you get back'' you get what you
have chosen, therefore it has to be You that you see ''out there'' meaning there is no outside.

Hello EmEx

I did not receive one channeling, nor did this start with them just talking to me this has been a progressive journey for all most a year now. They are here talking to me all the time 24/7 ask a question and they will tell you what they know. They are confused and have been trapped in the dark within themselves for many years.

EmEx tell me this what lies after death what story do you believe. There are many souls that can be seen in the veil at all times souls that are older and even from other worlds all here to experience this reality. There are things I call sparteil that lie in wait for those seen in life, they hear all your thoughts and feel all your feelings they become the things you believe setting the trap for the time you die. They can enter your dreams and find you through your ability to astral project and obe I have seen this and how it is done. The spartiel will take the soul and pull it into themselves to bring things(memories) from this reality to their reality, they can create large worlds and many things with these memories. The spartiel do not need to trick you they can just take you after death and return you to this world later on you will never understanding or remember where you were or who you were or where you were from. You are not as powerful as you think and will find yourselves in the same web millions and millions of souls have found themselves before stuck inside themselves forgetting who and what you once were.

I think you have me confused I love many things I care for many things I am not religious nor do I worry about things, I live a simple existence and ask for nothing and will give the shirt off my back to any one of need. I believe in the strength of the soul and the power my soul. I have had many experiences in the veil and have had many experiences with seeing and feeling the veil. I have no tortures or sufferings and have no pain and do not imagine or see things that are not shown to me through powessy.



My reality is and should be your reality but continue believing what you want.

[Rich]

EmEx tell me this what lies after death what story do you believe.
Hi powessy, I think it will be whatever we choose. According to our beliefs.

[Camilo]

For whatever reasons or circumstances, death appears to be in many peopples' wish list. I've been reading many articles and listening to many interviews, and the issue comes up in all of them. People seem to be fed up with the state of affairs in the world, regardless of what country they live in.

[Natalia]

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[Violet]

Whilst thinking about OBE and the other places I often wondered that when people would realise and believe it to be, wouldn't they all just commit suicide to go live there where they can create their own reality?

But then again I think of how a traveller once tried to annihilate creation from there and it not working out. By the same token, I think looking forward to death is one thing and activating it by your own hand might be a whole different story.

Who knows?

[Agape]

Whilst thinking about OBE and the other places I often wondered that when people would realise and believe it to be, wouldn't they all just commit suicide to go live there where they can create their own reality?

But then again I think of how a traveller once tried to annihilate creation from there and it not working out. By the same token, I think looking forward to death is one thing and activating it by your own hand might be a whole different story.

Who knows?

The reason why we don't ... is because human life is precious .. it's a puzzle we need to find answer for ..and even if no one life is enough to answer the meaning ,
and solve the question there's still reason why we are here .

Besides that it takes ages to get here ... and ages to get out ..

it takes much work , pain and effort to nurture human baby and help him/her to grow up , when you recall all the love and hope that's been selflessly put into you so that you can be here , even now , and if you quit and there's even a slight chance of wanting to come back ..

you'd now cut yourself of accomplishing some of your wisdom and the same lesson would have to be repeated later .

My reasoning anyway ..

but there's probably nothing sweetest than being quite old and having all the work done .. being free of jealousy and envy , and doubts and unfulfilled tasks and frustrations is what I mean .. and being free to go home .


:angel:

[chocolate]

The Tibetan Practices of Sky Burial (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sky_burial)



Sky burial is a ritual that has great religious meaning. Tibetans are encouraged to witness this ritual, to confront death openly and to feel the impermanence of life. They believe that the corpse is nothing more than an empty vessel. The spirit, or the soul, of the deceased has exited the body to be reincarnated into another circle of life. It is believed that the Drigung Kagyu order of Tibetan Buddhism established the tradition in this land of snow, although there are other versions of its origin.

The corpse is offered to the vultures. It is believed that the vultures are Dakinis. Dakinis are the Tibetan equivalent of angels. In Tibetan, Dakini means "sky dancer". Dakinis will take the soul into the heavens, which is understood to be a windy place where souls await reincarnation into their next lives. This donation of human flesh to the vultures is considered virtuous because it saves the lives of small animals that the vultures might otherwise capture for food. Sakyamuni, one of the Buddhas, demonstrated this virtue. To save a pigeon, he once fed a hawk with his own flesh.

After death, the deceased will be left untouched for three days. Monks will chant around the corpse. Before the day of sky burial, the corpse will be cleaned and wrapped in white cloth. The corpse will be positioned in a fetal position, the same position in which the person had been born. The ritual of sky burial usually begins before dawn. Lamas lead a ritual procession to the charnel ground, chanting to guide the soul. There are few charnel grounds in Tibet. They are usually located near monasteries. Few people would visit charnel grounds except to witness sky burials. Few would want to visit these places.

After the chanting, the body breakers prepare the body for consumption by the vultures. The body is unwrapped and the first cut is made on the back. Hatchets and cleavers are used to quickly cut the body up, in a definite and precise way. Flesh is cut into chunks of meat. The internal organs are cut into pieces. Bones are smashed into splinters and then mixed with tsampa, roasted barley flour.

If still interested: http://www.travelchinaguide.com/cityguides/tibet/sky-buria.htm

[TraineeHuman]

At various times I've received communications from various individuals I either didn't know or only distantly knew, usually the day after they died or else shortly after that. Some of them no doubt weren't very "serious" about such things as spirituality, as Agape might say. But it was clear in almost every case that they found death to be a great and wonderful and joyful experience, such a release, such a freedom and expansion -- by comparison with living in -- or I should say through -- a physical body. These individuals all simply wanted to get a message through to their nearest and dearest that they were just absolutely fine, and it was no big deal, and that all quarrels were forgiven, and that only love and truth were what had mattered, and that they may well have expressed their love in a very flawed way -- or misexpressed it --, but the love was all that mattered, the pure, sweet, beautiful love and unity-connection, plus the encounters with truth in the raw business of life getting in your face and the soul growth it brings, and now after only one day they had already let go of so much neurotic garbage that had been masking the glory of their nobler inner qualities, like their courage, their sacrifice for the greater good of their family, their kindness, their very good intentions, and so on and on. Under the outer selfish mask of the ego, what wonderful forces were at play in all of them -- and I do mean all --, often never finding true expression during the physical lifetime and getting superficially twisted or negatively conditioned during that period.

Apart from some earthbound spirits who had been alcoholics or druggies, the only two individuals I've encountered this way who weren't finding it somewhat mind-blowingly joyful were my late mother and my late father, ironically. The only reason my mother didn't find it joyful was because she had so firmly and stubbornly believed that when you die you get wiped out and become nothing. For over two weeks after her death, and about five months before, she was in a really bad place of fear, waiting to undergo the great total blotting out that never came. Partly through my own help and more through the help of some of my connections on the other side, she eventually somehow realized and became fully assured and convinced that it was all cool, so to speak, and wow, was she thrilled, and grateful -- and clearly seemed to be now living in a joyful place. My father had had a tough life since childhood, and had died an alcoholic and became earthbound, but he too eventually found his release.

Yes, there truly are Hitchhikers -- I think inside every one of us -- as powessy says --, also known, for example, as "attaching thetans", as I believe advanced scientologists call them. I don't believe, though, that one needs to become expert in identifying them and even in learning how to remove them. Rather, I believe one needs to become a little expert at meditation -- which is just the art of letting go, and then when you've left all that's at lower levels behind your links with what's higher just naturally and automatically begin to kick in. Just watching (what's inner), just being aware, always takes you higher, and higher.

Yes, there is also trickery in the afterlife as there is in this one. But the whole transition into the afterlife is overseen by guardian angels, who are ET volunteers from certain higher dimensions and they have no agenda other than a benevolent one. Of course, though, they can only be helpful as far as you are willing to be helped or guided, and then yes, once you've safely transitioned it's your choice what you do next.

Yes, as sirdipswitch says who we truly are is the whole universe, inferior to none of its sub-parts. But only some individuals have truly experienced enlightenment and moreover made it real in their lives. Even being precoccupied with enlightenment is itself a trap, and not the highest level by any means. So, after death I would say it would be a little ambitious for most to expect to rise to the level of total awareness of Source as sirdipswitch seems to suggest. For most, but maybe not for some, of course. But on the other hand, we're all certainly more able to get closer to Source when we're in the supra-physical. I'm also sceptical that everyone will even experience everything the man in the wonderful video in post #35 experienced -- though you'll all at least get much closer to experiencing all that than you might while you're still in the physical.

Recently I've developed a serious health problem which I haven't been able to self-heal myself of so far. It's been a case of the rubber hitting the road, because it's made it necessary for me to face in detail the possibility that I may die from this problem in the near future -- or maybe live the rest of my life with daily episodes of great physical discomfort. A little over a day ago I spent 8 hours at the local hospital. While there I picked up some of the "vibes" in the ward. These were mostly full of fear. It's merely the physical body-consciousness's fear of death. At least one reason I'll have for holding my head up high, so to speak, whenever I do transition on is that I've always kind of automatically soaked up some of the negative energies wherever I've lived or worked, and replaced them with more positive energies, and with some small level at least of psychic healing for the people there, even though it usually hasn't been recognised. Anyway, for half a day I was amazed to find myself being hit by overwhelming fear of death, while I thought to myself this isn't really me, not the me I know. The me I know has seen such gigantic beauty and glory at the heart of death itself. I believe I've healed myself of all that fear -- and utter hopelessness -- now, later in the day. Yes, folks, so many people when facing terminal or severe illness get a double-edged suffering of both physical pain or weakness plus emotional-body overwhelming hopelessness. Thank goodness I've been able to "drink" a little of that but get it out of my system permanently, all within a day or so (because through meditation I've fortunately already decades ago learnt how to stay completely stable in the face of most kinds of fear)! But clearly, even if a person gets stuck in fear of that sort -- for months? years? -- as they near or go through death, once they're through that "portal" my experience is that they've ever so left that behind, in almost all cases. Meanwhile my current challenge is to be able to hold myself in peace and bliss even when my body is experiencing major discomfort. (This is partly a response to post #53 by sound consciousness.)

But it's ever so important to learn to meditate effectively, or some equivalent of that. Every drop counts. This strengthens and "enlarges" the part of you that survives physical death. After death, the more "ruthless" you can be at dropping your personality plus sub-personalities including Hitchhikers (your emotional and mental body), and the more quickly you can do that, the better off you will be and the higher you will be able to rise straight away. And my understanding is that some completely bypass the kinds of traps powessy is talking about. And even if they don't, it's my understanding is that there are in fact benevolent powers in control behind the scenes, working to ensure that ultimately there'll be a positive outcome hopefully for all, even if that may take ages to achieve.