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Bob

14th September 2014, 16:55

This thread expands on the many threads in this Forum and others, looking at personal experiences recently, within the last week, of 8th September 2014 on site.

Since 2013, September I mentioned my intentions to do some "in-depth" research into the DUMBS (Deep underground military bases) specifically to be near Dulce New Mexico.

http://chanlo.com/images/arch-dulce-1.jpg

I traveled upwards from Texas, having met some interesting 'folks' (incarnate and dis-incarnate), received a 'blessing' from an elderly grandmother, whom I 'coincidentally' bumped into; experienced the Unhcegila about 4 times along the way; tripped at least one obvious security system :) ; and conducted extensive above ground and underground studies including wide band radio spectrum analysis, magnetic field analysis, VLF (very low frequency) analysis, ground resistance, IR (infra-red) spectrum, Gamma and Neutron field analysis, ULF (ultra-low frequency) analysis, and deep search seismography.

As the thread progresses, I will get into sharing some of the experiences, anecdotal thoughts, pictures, and data.

As I am here 'reporting' obviously I survived :)

--stand by

Bob

15th September 2014, 03:51

I'll start with an over-view of the "area of interest". Then let's point out some oddities that have happened with 'earthquakes'.

Please note the distance between these quakes, and the absolutely linear arrangement and placement.

On this second map are various anomalies that I have located. Subsequent maps will show close-ups and other anomalous features.

The significant areas (shown) were discovered to be on the NORTH portion of the Archuleta Mesa.

http://chanlo.com/images/Archuleta Mesa (area of interest).jpg

Area of Interest

http://chanlo.com/images/Archuleta Mesa-quakes.jpg

Quake epicenters appear to be linear, and regularly spaced, about 29,000 feet apart.

Locations Hit-4 and Charged-1 are at the approximate key distance of 29,000 feet but are not showing any obvious "surface holes" or shafts, but they are indicating a large anomaly in radiation levels about 2 times higher than background.

UPDATE - Please note, the pix can be right clicked on, then choose OPEN in NEW TAB, at that point one can scale the image upwards for more detail using the browser OPTIONS i.e. "zoom"

Atlas

15th September 2014, 11:13

Olaf

15th September 2014, 14:34

Have you also visited the areas of the entry points, that were listed in this (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?8393-The-Dulce-Base-and-Cherry-Hinkle-s-testimony&p=74305&viewfull=1#post74305) 2010 Avalon posting?
I'm looking forward to your further reports. Thank you very much.

Entrances in or near Dulce NM. I would not suggest anyone go anywhere near these places.

The Dulce Base entrances in or near Dulce New Mexico

1. Dulce Lake – East south, statue of the Virgin in blue robes holding flowers, inside a small stone grotto. Use a Greek cross for a key (inverted) To activate the voice security, use a male voice, (not loud) say “Ave, Ave, Ave.” The three foot statue moves forward, look for the small opening with a mounted ladder inside.
2. Highway 1 south to intersect, turn east, follow dirt road approximately six miles south. Turn west toward mountain on a small trail (part of a dry wash) look for a link chain fence. Cross at the posed sign, up beside shrubs and trees is a small shed. Inside a wall calendar hides the controls for the elevator.
3. Go to the basement in the medical facility, look for the small door to the sub-basement that holds the narrow shaft to the first level to Dulce Base.
4. Look for the “coal mine,” several signs for no trespassing. The “mine” looks real but it’s a façade. It is about three miles east of the town limits, turn south on a small dirt road towards a mesa, “mine” in view.
5. Cordova Canyon. South highway 17.5 miles at the “Y” (south/east) approximately four and a half miles near a statue of a saint, use a Greek cross (rosary size) Use male voice “Ave, Ave, Ave.” Statues moves forward.

Use a geological survey map. Note: Aztec NM UFO crash in direct line to Dulce site. Also note that Dulce NM is a low gravity area, Dulce is -260, indicating caverns below the area.

Bob

15th September 2014, 15:03

Hi Olaf - yes I went to the statue area actually on the first trip about 5 years ago to generally "scout out" the area.

That time I took a gamma ray spectrometer with me to map for radiation anomalies, and also camped out on the Mesa.

I also brought a UV (Ultra-Violet) black light with me to check to see if there were any unusual glow in the dark (glow under UV actually) objects, features, cows, etc.

While scoping out the "region" I was going with RV reading, and "feelings" (I am a sensitive and skilled over 30 years in radionics and psychotronics), so I was able to find myself moving to where there are strong "emotional" compelling points.

--Bob

Have you also visited the areas of the entry points, that were listed in this (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?8393-The-Dulce-Base-and-Cherry-Hinkle-s-testimony&p=74305&viewfull=1#post74305) 2010 Avalon posting?

I'm looking forward to your further reports. Thank you very much.

1. Dulce Lake – East south, statue of the Virgin in blue robes holding flowers, inside a small stone grotto. Use a Greek cross for a key (inverted) To activate the voice security, use a male voice, (not loud) say “Ave, Ave, Ave.” The three foot statue moves forward, look for the small opening with a mounted ladder inside.

UPDATE: see post #12 below (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?74930-Exploring-Dulce-Archuleta-and-the-surrounding-area-above-and-below-ground&p=876904&viewfull=1#post876904) where an access point near the anomalies is shown. The geometry of the access point is quite strange looking at it from the TOP.. (below is a drawn image (for clarity) based on the pix in post #12)

http://chanlo.com/images/object_1.jpg
http://chanlo.com/images/object-1a.jpg

Bob

15th September 2014, 15:44

Quake epicenters appear to be linear, and regularly spaced, about 29,000 feet apart.

Indeed, the epicenters are equidistant. I used this map (https://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF&msa=0&msid=113796814867830262616.0004510b49d1517768f16&dg=feature) posted by Firefoot (http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread501175/pg1#pid7101017) to make some measurements with a pink line (the pink line has the same length and angle in each picture). I also pointed the location Hit-4:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/44908464/avalon/mesa/mesa1.jpg

Red "tacks" show coordinates where MULTIPLE earthquakes occured. Blue "tacks" show places where there was one earthquake only.
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/44908464/avalon/mesa/mesa2.jpg

Thanks for the double confirmation on the observation.

Physically traveling over the areas, there are NO obvious surface feature fault zones on-top of the quake locations, (one would tend to believe that such quakes would be centered over faults), but apparently, there is something else happening.

I was starting to look at what sized NUCLEAR DEVICES would create the magnitude sizes indicated. The average of M4.5 appears in the larger quake locations. Do you have perchance research on what sized device at a depth of 5000 feet below the surface creates such a magnitude?

--Bob

Below is a satellite overlain map of light points (showing surface emissions) - I believe it could also show spots with unusual reflectivity, or other anomalies (reflecting ambient light or starlight). Disturbed soil will show a strong characteristic different from the surroundings.

http://chanlo.com/images/nite-mesa.jpg

Specifically note also the DARKER areas and surrounding geometry present.. Anomalies would be "differences" from the obvious.. (or the average background).

Atlas

15th September 2014, 16:33

Bob

15th September 2014, 17:42

The average of M4.5 appears in the larger quake locations. Do you have perchance research on what sized device at a depth of 5000 feet below the surface creates such a magnitude?

The Gasbuggy nuclear explosion was 26 kilotons at a depth of about 4000 feet. In the document below (page 94), 3 magnitudes are reported: 5.1, 4.6 and 4.3.

Buares thank you for the LINK to the PDF (http://www.ees.nmt.edu/outside/alumni/papers/1971d_cash_dj.pdf), on the quakes, calibrated against project Gasbuggy.

That report says, the 26 KiloTon device at that depth will induce the M4.5 - M5.5 sized quakes, well within the existing arsenals of nuclear weapons stocks.

The Gasbuggy report PDF from USGS is located HERE (about 50 megabytes file size) (http://pubs.usgs.gov/of/1968/0315/of68-315.pdf)

In the 50's through early 70's PLOWSHARE project (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Plowshare) ("peaceful" :p uses of nuclear weapons...) were used for everything from tunneling, cratering, making troughs/channels, "fraking"..

What we see then is the use of underground shaped charges (i.e. Gasbuggy load) were used in this area almost at the start of the year in 1968 (Dec '67); and the quake profiles look like they match the quake sizes at the locations shown in the above maps.

The large amount of geometrically spaced epicenters is quite unusual.

UPDATE: - This is the actual image of the 26 KiloTon nuclear device exploded about 40km from Dulce in Carson National Forest (shown on the blue ground satellite "lights" pix in post #6 above (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?74930-Exploring-Dulce-Archuleta-and-the-surrounding-area-above-and-below-ground&p=876826&viewfull=1#post876826))

http://chanlo.com/images/Gasbuggy-Nuclear-Device-AOGHS.jpg

Bob

15th September 2014, 19:05

Tripping a ground loop annunciation device - security (oops)

http://chanlo.com/images/sec-1.jpg

(looking at the MESA)

The pathway was a small road working its way around the northeast side of the Mesa, eventually headed out northwesterly. Note: There are other roads further away, which provided access to the other areas;, this one though was "up close" and apparently was not supposed to be traveled on without signalling something. There was a green gate about 2/10's of a mile further past the sensor/antenna.

http://chanlo.com/images/detector-2.jpg

There appears to be two antennas, and a small solar panel. The solar panel is about the height of the big box pointed southeasterly (morning sun); the larger angled higher panel on the strong metal pole (rigidity, no movement during wind) is pointing to what looks like the Geosynchronous satellite arc (stationary satellites).. The cable sizes are different for the lower band vertical antenna, and the solar panel. The larger cable for the microwave "flat panel antenna" is noted in the pix.

Looking east from the gate after turning around..

http://chanlo.com/images/detector-1.jpg

Bob

15th September 2014, 19:41

Starting to close in on the anomalies

http://chanlo.com/images/Archuleta Mesa-hits-north-over-view.jpg

Roads to the anomaly area is from the WEST (the long way through the valley) or from Lumberton (East of Dulce) and staying far North, then cutting back West.

(NOTE: right clicking on the image and choosing OPEN IN A NEW TAB in the browser will allow one to zoom in and scale upwards to see more detail).

Bob

15th September 2014, 19:55

Showing the roads in and the outline of the Anomalies

http://chanlo.com/images/Archuleta Mesa-hits-north-over-view(542).jpg

and closer still:

http://chanlo.com/images/Archuleta Mesa-hits-north(3-large).jpg

In the next post(s) we will look closely at the anomalies for various details and features..

NOTE: remember to right click on the image, choose OPEN IMAGE in new TAB, then you can scale that image in your browser's display size settings..

Bob

15th September 2014, 20:13

Zeroing in on the 'lake' and the 'object' near the lake

http://chanlo.com/images/Archuleta Mesa-hits-north(3-Lake-Object).jpg

The 'lake' is 200 foot on a side, and degraded on the upslope portion, erosion over time has collapsed a portion of it. There appeared to be a trench around the 'lake', the top half and side is starting to fill-in. Other lakes in the area are ROUND, not precisely SQUARE. There is no house, no apparent reason for this lake to be here.

There are vehicle tracks - ONE WAY, (can't tell if it is in or out though..), and the width of the tracks are wider than a normal pickup truck. The tire width is large also, about 1 1/2 feet.

There is a shiney object about 450 feet to the SW (upwards towards the right) of the lake. (See next PIX)

http://chanlo.com/images/Archuleta Mesa-hits-north.jpg

This would be one access point.

Bob

15th September 2014, 20:19

Heading SOUTH into the Mesa's Valley, towards HIT-1 and HIT-2

These geometries and features were noted - it is exactly as shown, the specific sizes of the 'circles' and horizontal humps are noted.

http://chanlo.com/images/Archuleta Mesa-hits-north(3-features).jpg

Note: the SIZE precision does not appear to be RANDOM (as created naturally), nor do they appear to be a random environmental 'phenomenon'. This area takes a LOT of effort to get to, and is not something that can be accidentally found.

Bob

15th September 2014, 20:36

A view from the TOP near anomaly point HIT-4

http://chanlo.com/images/top-2.jpg

http://chanlo.com/images/Archuleta Mesa-quakes.jpg

At each "hit" spot, the background radiation level dropped below background normals for the area (35-40 counts per second of gamma ray content), and then jumped to 90-125 counts per second of gamma ray emission. This is indicative that "something" radioactive was involved with that spot. Possibly that something had been brought up from below, a covered "access", etc.

I did not go physically "digging" at those spots during this particular expedition. The magnetometer did indicate a change in Z field orientation.

This is a pix of the equipment used for the magnetic field monitoring:

http://chanlo.com/images/3Axis-MGM.jpg

Bob

15th September 2014, 20:48

Analyzing geometrically the electromagnetics from 0.1 hertz upwards to 60 kilohertz

This is a 3D representation surrounding the vehicle away from any anomaly. It contains a distribution of :

Location
Frequency
Phase shift

Red is the lowest frequency, Blue is the highest frequency. The lines show the intensity and placement (and orientation). This mapping method shows in real-time, what is present electromagnetically. ULF is deep penetration into the earth and is in the 0.1 hertz through 10 hertz bandwidths. It has the capacity to penetrate up to 20,000 feet into the earth.

http://chanlo.com/images/phase-2.jpg

As an anomaly was approached, the field geometry shifted - a few examples are shown

http://chanlo.com/images/phase-1.jpg

Bob

15th September 2014, 22:09

Vehicle configuration (external)

I was driving an all black YUKON with external sensors - primarily for the electromagnetics, and magnetics. Both the magnetic sensors (3-axis) and the electromagnetics were compensated for the vehicle body.

Here are a couple more pix of the electromagnetic spectral geometry patterns after having moved over a 'hit' spot.

http://chanlo.com/images/phase-3.jpg

http://chanlo.com/images/gmc-yukon-xl.jpg

http://chanlo.com/images/phase-4.jpg

and this is one of the 'better roads' up on the TOP (looking south)

http://chanlo.com/images/top-1.jpg

Bob

16th September 2014, 00:49

OK then - the previous pictures showed some strong technical anomalies. But this was not just a physical exploration, there was a 'spiritual/psychic' component, one which started about 10 years ago to see who were the souls calling from this area. Those souls didn't seem to be what we would call as soul-less 'ET'.. but before we get further into that aspect, ...

To complete the thought on the possible access points in this area - There are more of those silver 5 foot diameter objects; another is in the next canyon to the east of where this first one was observed, heading into valley up the Mesa a bit further from the 542 road.

http://chanlo.com/images/object_1.jpg
http://chanlo.com/images/object-1a.jpg

Here is where it is located:

http://chanlo.com/images/another-silver-1.jpg

and on the bigger map showing where it is referenced against the other points:

http://chanlo.com/images/another-silver-1-over-view.jpg

NOTE: For a larger image, RIGHT CLICK on the IMAGE, choose OPEN in a NEW TAB, and then in your browser, you can ZOOM, scale up the image for higher resolution.

Bob

16th September 2014, 03:52

I reached into this Energy vibe - prior to entering, to connect and to understand.. (a few images of what I could find vibe wise which matched..)

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-LPnOPs9xpnY/UGXhcNerOtI/AAAAAAAADXU/ynAOPSRC1Jc/s1600/cochise.jpg

http://www.findfast.org/images/geronimo.jpg

Bob

16th September 2014, 04:17

Of all things, as I was travelling through Amarillo Texas, I felt compelled to get off on the exit, and found myself going past two "drummers" at the entrance to the truck stop, as I was feeling I needed to get some fuel, and something 'else' was calling out to me, or I was touching on something that I needed to connect with..

Getting fuel, I went inside to take a rest break, and there was this grandmother, shackled with two young children who were not following her wishes, but wandering around in the station..

Coming back out from the facilities, I saw her again, standing and waiting and saying, 'children, don't get lost'... and then, she walked ahead of me slowly gathering the children she was responsible for (somehow I knew not), and I felt this 'connect'.. I stayed behind her, but with a feeling of reverence, and deep respect, something the 'children' seemed to be missing.

Beautiful lady, silver hair and a pony tail, a very weathered face.. and as she walked toward the exit.. I walked in-front of her, deliberately opening the door (there were two), and I held open the second one too.. her vibe was that of 'a deep deep smile, and thank you.., with a bit of a silence.. and a clarity..'

I don't have a picture of her, except in my mind.. I will try to post a few similar which match a bit of the energy..

She said quietly to me, 'thank you so much, young man' (I am 63 almost 64, so you can get an idea of her age...), and I connected, heart to heart and mind to mind..

And although we were at least 200 miles from the New Mexican border, she added, "Welcome to you, welcome to New Mexico.." I knew at that point I was accepted for a safe passage into the People's land.. And she turned to me, and I turned to her, and shared a deep vibe.. something with a tear in it, maybe we would never meet in the physical again, but it was OK.. (I was in Amarillo, Texas, not New Mexico, but she KNEW where I was headed even though I did not say anything :) )

And I passed and she passed, to wherever on which ever paths we were headed...

The drummers were gone from the entrance to the travel center, how odd.. that there were two smiling dancing drummers to meet as I passed the threshold in this very mundane "truck stop", but yet to have an encounter with a very clear and dear native Shamaness..

And I headed westerly and northerly over towards New Mexico, to the reservation, and to see what was present in the regions surrounding Dulce..

I would go through many tribes and reservations, and had many more experiences, which I will share below..

Bob

16th September 2014, 04:59

So what then ? How to 'tune in' ? What reach out was appropriate? To 'get in touch', to 'read' ?

Here is a thought..

http://chanlo.com/images/talk-1.jpg

Agape

16th September 2014, 14:06

Did you meet any animals there Bob ?

http://chanlo.com/images/talk-1.jpg

I would ask Barry ( Spirit Wolf ) when he's back online if he can relate the story about how he got his ( spiritual ) name after meeting with wolves in wilderness while traversing the US in car , on dark night , I don't know all the whereabouts of that story but hope he will be happy to tell .

Bob

16th September 2014, 16:03

Hi Agape, there were Deer too numerous to count, Elk, just a few, many Birds (small, plus Hawk, and turkey vultures), Rabbits, one Dog who was interested in everyone and everything... there were no dog's barking, no birds calling. The deer stood often as statues, frozen not moving. The ELK similarly, very still.. The rabbit would not run away, the birds were animated, but silent..

Did you meet any animals there Bob ?

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I would ask Barry ( Spirit Wolf ) when he's back online if he can relate the story about how he got his ( spiritual ) name after meeting with wolves in wilderness while traversing the US in car , on dark night , I don't know all the whereabouts of that story but hope he will be happy to tell .

I could talk about my encounter with a lone white Wolf up in Montana about midnight also traversing the upper northern states.. but that would not have anything directly to do with the Dulce thread, except to point out, to Be Aware and Sensitive to the vibrations of the creatures, and of all life.. The breadcrumbs are there..

mojo

16th September 2014, 16:06

Did you encounter anyone monitoring when you were there? Surely the gov doesnt want people snooping around their secret bases. If I'm correct, the expedition was to uncover evidence of the underground facility? What would have happened if you came across something of exceptional proof? For instance if you witnessed a craft coming out of the mesa or a secret opening?

Knew a person that help design the complex air duct system at some of the facilities. I posted a thread and got nervous and ask for it to be removed. Think many of us would be intimidated by the MIB, and dropped that avenue of research because of the perceived opposition. But I knew that another avenue to discovery would be a more direct approach to contact. Bob, I admire your passion and fearless in face of what they want to keep secret.

If I may ask what drives your passion? Is it more ET related or gov conspiracy related or both? Thanks and best wishes.

Bob

16th September 2014, 18:21

Hiya Mojo - the passion is driven by understanding what is happening with people, with how we all interact with all life, and with the environment..

If something "alien" (non-natural) to the natural balance comes in, just what happens?

Can restoration of balance be accomplished, if so how? those are some motivation factors for me personally. I have endeavored over many years to help to develop methods, techniques, practices, and assists to help in getting that balance back again. Balance though could become totally "static" if the "dynamic" is removed, so keeping "life", quality of life high keeps that pushing of the bubble greater, instead of collapsing into a rock-like (crystallized) state..

When all works in synergy, harmony, it is great, and the vibe coming from such is wonderful.. very pro-life..

This area has intrigued me for many years.. I've been to many reservations in the upper northwest of the US, into Canada, the upper northern Great Lakes areas, throughout the lands of the South and Southwest, throughout the various lands of Florida, in short to understand the vibration and how integration has happened or not happened.. it is very obvious the sensation and seeing how things physically are built.. is the focus beauty and honoring the Creator, or is it an insult to life and anything that can grow and support life..

Dulce area I would say about 100 miles radius is extraordinarily out-of-balance..

On the question of government conspiracy ET phenomenon - it is deep and it is old. There is an immense amount of OIL and Natural Gas exploitation from Aztec through Farmington all the way to and inside the Carson National Forest. I'll get into that a little bit later in the thread.. The rape of the People and the rape of the Land is present to no end in that area. We easily could have a whole set of threads that deal with what has happened to the People placed into the Reservations - what was done and not done, what goals or lack of them has happened over the years..

Why this area for a "dumb" ? Seems like it would be close enough from Sandia, and Los Alamos Labs obviously, relatively easy rock and soil to deal with.. (I'll post a deep earth formation map later in the thread too)..

We're documenting the anomalies, things out of place which should not be present up some valley in the middle of no-where..

The vibes, those are the most predominant - there is no beauty vibe, although the scenery is breath-taking in some spots for areas in the SW of the US. Farming? not really, water is scarce, and putting in crops would be hard due to lack of underground water.. What's left? OIL and natural Gas harvesting.. Or getting hunters to come in, and pay 15-30,000$ for a hunt to go after prime game.. Maybe a Casino or two would bring in tourists to make some $$..

Techy wise, pulling together the needed research equipment is not that difficult. I have 40 years experience in high technology, and looking at "indicators" for anomalies is pretty straight-forward. If something has induced a major out-of-balance in the environment, the people (physically and psychically) one would believe to be responsible something must be done about it such as the first step being education, not sensationalization, hopefully providing adequate data that is highly objective.. and with "enlightenment" the next steps if one follows up, is things will move towards solutions.. so the data gathering steps are needed..

The vibe that is being conveyed both through books, legends, 'first hand or anecdotal evidence' is something is very wrong, reptilian and military or special agency coercion and collusion.

If I were to make a generalization, the feeling is "evil" when reaching out into consciousness in the area. I felt that vibration in the slums of Queens, NY during the Riots in the 60's and 70's.. (see http://crdl.usg.edu/events/ny_race_riots/?Welcome). Evil as in the opposite of LIVE.. or an out - of - balance.. WHO induced that, why was it allowed to fester, and grow.. Those are some questions we can get into answering.. as a group.

Did you encounter anyone monitoring when you were there? Surely the gov doesnt want people snooping around their secret bases.

If I'm correct, the expedition was to uncover evidence of the underground facility?

What would have happened if you came across something of exceptional proof? For instance if you witnessed a craft coming out of the mesa or a secret opening?

As to some of those questions - it was hard to NOT have the feeling that one was being watched. I was driving a BIG BLACK vehicle with some "gadgets" stuck to the running boards.. I had to keep my head down, not reach out when in the crowds, not make eye contact.. Things that are not natural to my way of being..

As to monitors, there were some monitors on the roadside similar to the Area 51 monitors. I will post a few pictures too on that.. I mentioned I tripped one of the motion monitors while trying a particular road to get close to one of the mountain's valley's.

With the equipment on-board, any "craft" would be able to be documented, from the gravity anomaly to the changes in EM spectrum. The anomaly locations marked on the maps in the thread are pointing out likely spots that simply do not fit in to a simple mountain valley. To get to them, it takes a lot of work, they are not something one just happens upon.

In talking with one of the leading researchers who was good friends with Dr. Josef Allen Hynek, he said the observations in the field with those "in-the-know" have said, the spiritual component is just as valid as the physical component to the phenomenon, and that they cannot be readily separated. In other words, consciousness/spirit and advanced "transport", capturing consciousness AND manipulating such (for some agenda) and capturing bodies (and modifying them for whatever purpose) appears to be part of some larger agenda, that encompasses not just this area, but many areas..

Axman

16th September 2014, 19:16

Thanks Bob this is great.

Limor Wolf

16th September 2014, 19:19

Originally posted by Bob: In other words, consciousness/spirit and advanced "transport", capturing consciousness AND manipulating such (for some agenda) and capturing bodies (and modifying them for whatever purpose) appears to be part of some larger agenda, that encompasses not just this area, but many areas..

Thank you for the most interesting review of your 'field jurney', Bob. Do you have any thoughts on where this agenda may be leading? I also feel it is done on a larger scale and certainly outside of the US as well.

Blessings ~

Limor

Bob

16th September 2014, 19:39

Hi Limor - :)

I think for me it is starting to build some answers to some deep questions. In the first, the understanding comes from knowing how much, an oppressed group of people 'broadcasts' into the allness-matrix, and how much that broadcast affects how life and livingness goes on elsewhere (and within the group).

It used to be the beauty of life would sustain, nurture, (the mother earth) life and synergy could be there, not too much taken, and always, there would be a "give back" when something was taken, to get the balance restored, or quite possibly create a slight surplus. Air, light, warmth, food, water -- all on a planet, land or sea based (such as a whale or dolphin pod).. integrated and functioning and capable for thousands of years with good stewardship..

Maybe understanding that stewardship and when there is lack of it, the consequences.. there is a lot more to explore in those questions.. this just touches it.

The Agenda questions:

Where is it going? I'll restate this from above

In talking with one of the leading researchers who was good friends with Dr. Josef Allen Hynek, he said the observations in the field with those "in-the-know" have said, the spiritual component is just as valid as the physical component to the phenomenon, and that they cannot be readily separated. In other words, consciousness/spirit and advanced "transport", capturing consciousness AND manipulating such (for some agenda) and capturing bodies (and modifying them for whatever purpose) appears to be part of some larger agenda, that encompasses not just this area, but many areas..

Is the manipulation a human agenda, or an alien agenda? It would be great to hear thoughts on this. Anyone please jump in.. to stay on thread focus, let's keep it with the "dumbs", and/or specifically why would ET want to come to the middle of some nowhere location, coerce or work with the government(s) and play McDonald's hamburgers using humans and animals for food-stock.. With an advanced technology, there is no reason to go harvesting, when ALL of the DNA RNA and biologicals can be synthesized without the messiness of "bodies". What cannot be synthesized is CONSCIOUSNESS MANIPULATION, as that requires emotionally motivated MINDS (and bodies)..

This later, the mind manipulation is what sways civilizations.. Breeding FEAR, or APATHY, or ANGER, or HATE.. all of that allows for a psychic battery so to speak.. the dark, or EVIL majik..

What would having global consciousness control mean for ET? for some government, or special group?

Setup a situation of fear, of something hidden, keep it unknown and unfathomable, and as described in the post at the top of this page: "And what you do not know, you will fear... and then attempt to destroy it" - and there is the essence of the manipulation tool, the battle, the keep-busy-doing-ness, and the trap, and further entrapment's.. at least that is how it seems to me..

Originally posted by Bob: In other words, consciousness/spirit and advanced "transport", capturing consciousness AND manipulating such (for some agenda) and capturing bodies (and modifying them for whatever purpose) appears to be part of some larger agenda, that encompasses not just this area, but many areas..

Thank you for the most interesting review of your 'field jurney', Bob. Do you have any thoughts on where this agenda may be leading? I also feel it is done on a larger scale and certainly outside the US as well.

Blessings ~

Limor

Limor Wolf

16th September 2014, 20:21

Very thankful for your response, Bob :) and I would prefer to take time to read it again and indulge in some thoughts.

In the meantime, human and alien agenda are one and the same, my guess is that the dark blanket is hovering above them both..

The dumbs must be the labaratories where the physical genetic aspect of the experiments/modfying takes place and it may also involve the non-physical, but mostly the non-physical may take place on board a ship or in the astral. That is only a guess. So much attempt to modify a species that was already modified, possibly more times than we may care to know, for what reason would that be? Are the astral 'feeding requirments' are now changing and becoming more 3D materialized? or is this agenda has a much higher intention than just colonising the surface of this planet, what is happening in the galaxy, and how does black magic is interwoven into all of that?

I have more questions than that, why would alien souls would come to inhabit human bodies at this time, what is the increasing of consciousness represents and it's relations to the changes in the celectial bodies in our solar systems, Is it a race against the clock? and by whom..

Blessings ~

Limor

Bob

17th September 2014, 18:45

OK then, so what was in the sky?

Here is a pix that I took using the camera which would respond into the IR band. This is a visual white light image, but this object above the Mesa was NOT visible with the plain eye.

I circled and expanded the spot being pointed to by the arrow so you don't have to rescale your browser. Because the images originally are stored as jpg (sigh), there IS pixilation to deal with. That something is appearing in the IR portion should warrant more investigation 'on-site' obviously.

http://chanlo.com/images/Archuleta Mesa-1a.jpg

It seems to be a bit narrow, and snake-like.. this is similar but much smaller, to an image I would now and then see over the Alamosa Valley, in Colorado, a bit south of Villa Grove and headed towards Saguache. (but more over the valley than near the mountains)

Bob

17th September 2014, 19:00

What is the source of the "reptoid" invader dialog? Besides just reading up on stories, books, reports from people who went down into the tunnels, into the 'complex', is there any surface indication besides the silver spheres, that are 5 foot across and cast a shadow showing the object is about 5-6 feet tall?

Possibly...

On this image in the previous page of this thread:

http://chanlo.com/images/another-silver-1-over-view.jpg

in the other valley to the left, there is another silver object located. Looking closely on the ground, for the 'crop circle' phenomenon (or trapped in images), besides those "circles" being found, a rather set of disturbing images appears..

Here is the original showing the coordinates, and the subsequent image afterwards, I ran through edge and color enhancement. I also added in the missing portion of the image which appeared to be washed out, or otherwise missing, the right half of the image. It could have been erosion, or it could have been ONLY the left half was deliberately placed there... anyway, see what it looks like with the rest of the image (the mirror) added in...

http://chanlo.com/images/ground-ne-mesa.jpg

and enhanced and the missing half added..

http://chanlo.com/images/ground-ne-mesa-enhanced.jpg

Is that a representation of the VAT or TANK purported to be in the underground base?

Is that a critter? This doesn't look reptoid exactly, or one's typical Grey alien.. but something else? What?

mojo

17th September 2014, 19:57

Bob

17th September 2014, 20:27

Hi Bob,

Loving your thead. I was wondering if you thought about a visit to the skinwalker ranch? Bigelow air is in control of the property and I know people have tried to get in there and neighbors around have reported some strange things. Maybe the security is not as important to protect there and a look on the surrounding hills is a possibility?

Hia MoJo - actually when I was headed out west further on the exploration path, that location was an intent if I had time (was headed up to Vancouver Island to do some research with the transient Orca Pod...) During that trip a very large thunderbird appeared again after one of the storms (about 20 miles across for that one). I was going to mention this later in this thread, the smaller, (only about 2000 foot sized thunderbird) that appeared after getting into New Mexico. I have been to area 51 and danced with the camo dudes -- weee.. :)

--Bob

-- PS reference to an earlier link when I first mentioned to the Forum, my intentions to delve into this place: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?45420-The-Dulce-Book-by-Branton-exposes-much&p=727621&viewfull=1#post727621

Bob

17th September 2014, 21:05

Help me with this one -

Insectoid, Reptoid, or what?

I took the image which was on the ground and emphasised some of the features for clarity. Looking through the search engines nothing really came up - what is it?

Vibe wise, this is what seemed to be present.. It's not a Grey, no cute "et" phone home critter.. but something else..

http://chanlo.com/images/et-1b.jpg

Bob

17th September 2014, 21:15

Do u recall District '9' - the alien race prison ship which had to seek refuge on Earth?

Are the Dulce' creatures similar to the mock-up of the District 9'ers?

http://conceptartworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/district_9_03.jpg

WAS District 9 just a fantasy?

Kristin

17th September 2014, 23:17

Thank you for this thread Bob, very interesting!

From the Heart,
Kristin

Bob

17th September 2014, 23:31

Thank you for this thread Bob, very interesting!

From the Heart,
Kristin

Took a bit of time to get the expedition setup - http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?45420-The-Dulce-Book-by-Branton-exposes-much&p=727461&viewfull=1#post727461 was where we were talking on this earlier... Perseverance :) so adding in some of those missing datum..

Bob

18th September 2014, 00:26

Wandering around the roads, one continually trips where one is.. goes somewhere, but where? Earlier in the first page, the remote sensor on a close in road, had two antennas, one was to a satellite, which is a serious monitoring system, the other apparently is to some local location (the lowerband VHF antenna). Apparently they don't seem to think it needs much power (like not too many trips warranting high power...) Who are the 'they' if we may ask?

The can on the left is typical of what is used in Area 51. Meaning they have not upgraded (apparently...) to the more modern annunciation systems.

http://chanlo.com/images/road-sensors.jpg

Bob

18th September 2014, 00:49

Hi Bob,

[..] Bigelow air is in control of the property and I know people have tried to get in there and neighbors around have reported some strange things.

[..]

Hia Mojo - this isn't the first time that Bigelow has crept up. We can get back to the funded research on all sorts of 'odd' goings on... From one page:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_XBsnAWqTr24/TBadagAt0EI/AAAAAAAAP_I/H04cB9AUizA/s1600/bigelow_1_logo_patch.jpg

and that 'tank/vat' image earlier found on the other valley plane could also be resembling one of Bigelow's inflatable space habitats.. hmmm

http://img.ffffound.com/static-data/assets/6/008d6958044b1281fe9b56da956457155af61462_m.jpg

From (Source (http://www.v-j-enterprises.com/boylavia.html)) -

"BT said that there is a rumor that Bob Bigelow's NIDS Institute has a UFO artifact, and will be bringing that into public view as an attention-getting device, to make the public aware and focus in on the UFO/ET phenomenon. There is the possibility, in my opinion, that such waving around of a piece of a UFO could manipulate people into giving the MJ-12/Aviary/Bigelow NIDS Institute undue power to negotiate with the extraterrestrials on behalf of the rest of us.

"Thus far the Aviary "leaks" for now."

SPIRIT WOLF

18th September 2014, 19:13

Bob

18th September 2014, 19:23

Merely using the thread title, or part thereof, DULCE. Its inspired many debates, books, vids and speculation.

Have you, thats the average Avalon reader, realised that in the entire subject matter only 2 people have stepped forward with claims, in detail that is, of working in these underground bases, In this I'm leaving out Phil Schneider as this could be covered separately.

You have one individual called Thomas Castello whom claimed to work at Dulce, a very bold set of claims surrounds that guy.

Then you have moi, working in a similar underground base but here in the UK.

Now the funny thing is Thomas could not prove Dulce actually exists, nor can anyone else, FACT, there might be circumstantial evidence but certainly NOT proven, just as no one can prove it does not exist. The very same can be said for myself in regards to AL/499 Peasemore in the UK.

I cannot prove it exists and no one can prove it does not, many have tried but came up empty handed in trying to prove its not there. I'm also leaving out of the equation Bob Lazar re S4 as I see that a different kettle of fish. Thomas Castello was security, I was security.

Funny old World aint it?

Just to point out, the spots located with the anomalies, are not in the Jicarilla nation, not in Dulce, but are in the Colorado side, on the North side of the Mesa. Why are there ground images (artifacts?), why are there metal structures planted in the middle of no where? (as pointed out in the satellite images)?

Big mystery obviously. To check it out with equipment certainly is a good thing if one is interested.. Anecdotal stuff is an interesting fire-side story to be told around the campfire, and of course the total unusual coincidence of regular earthquakes, geometrically spaced is certainly something to ask how come?

Unknowns are just that, just begging to have some one take a look just why. The earlier posts point out anomalies.. And points out some history of underground use of explosions. We haven't yet gotten into the oil and gas exploitation in the region, or why would ANYONE choose DULCE to write a book on.. Sensationalism? Maybe.

As I have said, I am interested in why there, what is the mystery? Why the cattle mutilations? Why aerial sightings? Why the road sensors? If nothing is there, everything would be innocuous nothing to see.

SPIRIT WOLF

18th September 2014, 20:16

Bob

18th September 2014, 21:17

Hi there, apologies if we got crossed lines,

my only reason for input here was to set the record regarding the 2 alleged underground facilities,

the one mention in thread topic Dulce and the similar one I was at.

I have yet to fully digest your detailed posts and will do so with great interest.

No crossed wires there Barry just a lot of technical data derived on this end. It's interestingly a strange enough place for me to continue to spend some time doing technical on-site research. I'm not worried about alien abduction, but the communities there are in sufficient poverty that I wouldn't be surprised if there was not a convenient break in of the vehicle to grab opportunistically what was visible. I made a point of getting out of the towns and into the outback as quickly as possible though. The vibe is notibly creepy.

I did not feel that way in Nigeria in numerous cities and even out night there. In the surrounding dulce region the vibe was wrong. I can add a little bit to that as to the rf psyops that was present on the am radio.. The component was definitely in the elf ranges, and in the high beta ranges, both of which would cause brainwave confusion, and elicit hostility or aggression, in the least stress.

I will get more so into the radio frequency analysis in a later post in this thread, and add the background data on how emf can go hand and hand with a psyops experiment. In the minimum the whole story historically with the "base" experience reported by the individuals you mentioned obviously wreaks of sensationalism. I'm trying to keep just what was observed reported here. When we deviate on a tangent to add more understanding to the flavor behind the legends, my feeling is if we don't stray too far away from the subject, that will be fine for discussion purposes.. The dumb phenomenon is purported to be here in the Dulce area. Why there?

I welcome anyone who has had PERSONAL experiences similar to what has been happening supposedly, in the Dulce area to please weigh in and share; as mentioned in the OP, I will try to relate my personal experiences getting to the location, and explain some studies done with equipment to objectify, if anything unusual was present - and I will share some personal anecdotal observations and understanding - maybe those dots being connected will help folks understand a bit more of what's been happening..

Bob

19th September 2014, 18:05

Is the security transmitter antenna registered? Not according to FCC records.. That it contains a satellite up-link (flat panel phased array and a lower band, appears in the VHF range) is interesting..

http://chanlo.com/images/security-1.jpg

checking those coordinates over the registered list(s)

Archuleta Mesa 3.56 Mi Nne (Lat: 36.983056 Lon: -106.963639), Type: Tower, Structure height: 6 m, Call Sign: KOP939
Archletta Mesa 4 Mi Ne (Lat: 36.984167 Lon: -106.970583), Call Sign: KNDT256
Apache Police Headquarters (Lat: 36.935833 Lon: -106.992250), Call Sign: KNDT257
Archuleta Mesa 5km N (Lat: 36.983056 Lon: -106.963639), Type: Tower, Structure height: 31 m, Overall height: 37 m, Call Sign: WPLG633
Archuleta Mesa 4 Mi Ne (Lat: 36.983056 Lon: -106.963639), Structure height: 30 m, Call Sign: WNSJ765
5.93 At 21.9 Deg (Lat: 36.983611 Lon: -106.970306), Type: Tower, Structure height: 9 m, Call Sign: WPKZ435
Jicarilla Apache Indian Tribe Public Health Service Clinic (Lat: 36.947222 Lon: -106.989472), Call Sign: KYQ571
Archuleta Mesa 4 Mi Ne (Lat: 36.983056 Lon: -106.963639), Call Sign: KZB325
Seneca St (Lat: 36.947500 Lon: -106.989194), Type: Pole, Structure height: 9 m, Overall height: 11 m, Call Sign: WPMF568
PRU DEDIOS ROAD, From The Intersection Of Us 64 North .68 Mi On Ded (Lat: 36.944056 Lon: -106.979278), Type: Pole, Structure height: 6.1 m, Overall height: 6.6 m, Call Sign: WPXK776, Licensee ID: L00006661
NORTH TANK, From Carpenters Drive & Navajo St. Nw 750 Ft On C (Lat: 36.947583 Lon: -106.999556), Type: Tank, Structure height: 6.1 m, Overall height: 8.9 m, Call Sign: WPXK982, Licensee ID: L00006661

No microwave transmitter licenses were shown on the above coordinates for the mystery security tower.

The assumption then is it is either an unregistered transmission station either accidentally or deliberately.

References:
http://www.city-data.com/towers/other-Dulce-New-Mexico.html#Microwave
http://www.city-data.com/towers/cell-Dulce-New-Mexico.html#Antenna
http://www.city-data.com/towers/cell-Dulce-New-Mexico.html#CellPhone
http://www.city-data.com/towers/lmobile-Dulce-New-Mexico.html#googleStreetView

Bob

20th September 2014, 01:08

After meeting the Shamaness in Amarillo, the destination was to be westward into New Mexico, to head up towards Sandia Labs then head west and then Northwards through the reservations up to 64 which would access the Dulce area.

Weather was simply odd..

Afternoon storm cells kept cropping up with downpours..

http://chanlo.com/images/nm-1.jpg

http://chanlo.com/images/sky-nm.jpg

What though particularly caught my attention was an image of a small thunderbird in the clouds.. I had seen a larger one half the width of the sky in Utah at one time.. These images will form under the main storm clouds, quite possibly with a set of cold downdrafts and updrafts shaping the clouds..

I had wondered about the meeting with the grandmother earlier, and as I was thinking about that, the 'thunderbird's beak' and head turned towards me.. :)

As I was driving about 75 miles per hour at the time, it was not possible for me to take a picture, so what I did here was create a stylized depiction as close as possible to what I saw. There was lightning present at the time as well, a classical 'thunderbird'.

http://chanlo.com/images/Thunderbird-NM.jpg

Depending on the people telling the story, the thunderbird is either a singular entity or a species. In both cases, it is intelligent, powerful, and wrathful. All agree one should go out of one's way to keep from getting thunderbirds angry.

The singular thunderbird (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thunderbird_(mythology))(as the Nuu-chah-nulth thought of it) was said to reside on the top of a mountain, and was the servant of the Great Spirit. It was also told that the thunderbird controlled rainfall.

Sioux people believed that in "old times" the thunderbirds destroyed dangerous reptilian monsters called the Unktehila (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horned_Serpent).

And this then is what preceeded my travels upwards to the Sandia Labs location, where I stopped at the reservation out front to fuel up, shortly to head north northwest into the mountains.

The Unktehila is what I would meet next traveling up north through the Zia, Jamez reservations on the main road.

It was dark by this time, and these 'things' appeared. They spiraled as a group towards me while I was traveling up NM537, about 8 feet above the roadway, about 4 times, each subsequently proceeded with either deer or ELK on the roadway.. Were they warning about a road hazard to come? Or to distract me to have an accident with one of the animals? Finally after reaching 64, the images of these Uktehila stopped, and I then proceeded to where I would have a basecamp.

These Unktehila were in a spiral nest thrown(?) at me similar to an energy assault, spiraling counter clockwise while I was driving north on the road.

Below is a stylized rendition of what it looked like to me.. It wasn't as bright as the image, but you get the idea, this "whatever" was persistent.

http://chanlo.com/images/unhcegila.gif

fourty-two

20th September 2014, 03:45

re face in post 33
could it be mantid?

Bob

20th September 2014, 03:49

re face in post 33
could it be mantid?

(added image from post 33 )

http://chanlo.com/images/et-1b.jpg

U know, I think that could be a likely candidate - not reptoid, not grey something else.. insectoid then..

This site suggests Mantis -

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-lvRwr0ctl1k/Ua9Do8vkHaI/AAAAAAAAAT0/b8xOgcFNba4/s1600/alien+imagesCAISHBT5.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-CltqLJPFP-s/Ua9DHfb52SI/AAAAAAAAATs/Z1FXs3Xu-pw/s1600/praying+mantis+imagesCAS9OJMT.jpg

(http://skepticalpsychicblog.blogspot.com/2013/06/the-praying-mantis-alien.html -- Source)

I think I recall seeing something like that mask/image somewhere... I can't put my finger on it, but it seems familiar historically.

Bob

20th September 2014, 23:44

The RF Psyops signal appeared to be present on the AM radio carriers. On searching for high powered AM radio transmitters licensed to be in the Jicarilla reservation, there were no AM stations noted in the frequency monitored, about 630 kilohertz AM. Listening to the station it was a combination of native American AND English consisting of news broadcasts, some local community information.

Here is a sample of what it sounded like. It contained a set of additional frequencies causing a "wavering whistle" and some phase shifted audio.. The predominant frequencies were based on 5 kilohertz, 2 kilohertz with modulations of about 2 hertz and a 16 hertz. All of those frequencies would induce a rather nasty sensation.

Listening to such for a few passes through would give one an idea what the people are being subjected to. ARE the carriers generated due to overlapping stations, or is there a deliberate influence happening ? At this point I did not gather enough information other than to note that something definitely was WRONG with the RF broadcasts in the community. Specifically locating WHERE the interfering transmitters were located may provide some additional information.

It is known that the nervous system will directly de-modulate RF if the phase patterns are of a specific relationship.. Power levels as low as 1 microvolt are the upper limit of reliable demodulation, and the nervous system is able to demodulate properly phased patterns of about 0.1 microvolts. That would consist of a person being exposed to a 1000 watt transmitter at about 3 miles away.

http://chanlo.com/images/audio-1.mp3

If that type of modulation was playing 24/7 how would the People feel?

johnf

21st September 2014, 00:25

mojo

21st September 2014, 00:33

Bob

21st September 2014, 01:35

http://chanlo.com/images/audio-1.mp3

If that type of modulation was playing 24/7 how would the People feel?

Owies, is that from the local station?
That was about as uncomfortable as the Unktehila gif.
And similar vibe behind it I would say. :scared:

John

Hi John, what was a bit extraordinary I suppose, was that this station was not supposed to be there. There were two stations, one at 630 the other about 810, both simultaneously broadcasting the same transmission. Possibly that frequency offset has something to do with creating "sidebands".. Neither was listed in the FCC records as an authorized stations.. I assume then it could have been an ultra-low-powered station for some reason.. Schools sometimes do such things for a campus.. Anyway, it's something that I think should be looked at as well for an additional exploratory expedition.. Anomaly again, similar to the Microwave/VHF security station (described in the post above, #43) which is not listed on records as officially being there..

Bob

21st September 2014, 01:40

Thanks again Bob I like how mix the science in with your spiritual aspect of things hence picking up on the vibes. Myself, I would be running far from that place...if you had to write an hypothesis or maybe a theme statement to why your researching that area what would it say? best wishes...

Hia Mojo - well, as I mentioned, this place has intrigued me for about 10 years, that something has been present vibe-wise, that seems out-of-place... either psyops, or troubled people, captured and part of some experiment that they had prayed they wouldn't have been (abused in other words).. If people are hurting, and one can help, it seems that the best thing that can be done is to look for a solution. First step is to identify what's happening - is it real, conjecture, fantasy, and so forth.. this ID step then lets one 'as-is' (an expression that means to see things as-they-are) and then potentially "discharge" the aberration.. SEE it, CONFRONT it, then one can deal with it.. I suppose for me if I can help sort things, I will give it a try.. So we are in the ID stage at the moment, what's there, how can it be solved (if at all)..

--Bob

lelmaleh

21st September 2014, 02:47

Major creepiness- Los Alamos

Truglivartna

22nd September 2014, 13:11

Bob:

I take it that you are familiar with Anthony Sanchez' experiences with the Mesa? If not, you certainly should be. Kerry Cassidy's interview with him is here: http://projectcamelotportal.com/component/k2/2558-anthony-sanchez-dulce-project-leonid

....and whatever you do, don't touch any canisters or dead animals!

Kit

Bob

22nd September 2014, 13:45

Hi Kit - I've concentrated research towards the west side and the north side, specifically the Colorado portion (which is where surveying has shown anomalies). Thanks for the heads up on the animals. Of those observed (living animals), my experience is they would get far away from any larger creature, especially human. I didn't find that to be the case of those observed.. To me that suggests something has happened with habituating them (feeding), possibly some sort of chemical exposure (air/water). I didn't note any out of the ordinary smells - the air outside of town seemed clear. Possibly doing water sampling and/or air sampling would be a good thing to do for more data. I didn't see any canisters, however there was an extreme amount of oil and gas well drilling on the western side, close to "Hole in the Rock". The RF electromagnetics present on the AM radio could very well be a type of neural control method. I am familiar with those types of systems and their modulations.. Off road I met three dirt-bikers who seemed to be friendly and not 'hostile', but that was quite far out of the nearby town. :) It's a strange place in spots, very 'normal' in many locations.

--Bob

Bob

22nd September 2014, 16:26

Bob:

I take it that you are familiar with Anthony Sanchez' experiences with the Mesa? If not, you certainly should be.[..]

A couple points on the Sanchez' observations - the areas that I've mentioned are not on the Jicarilla Reservation but are on the Colorado side of the mesa. I believe possibly that the "crash" on the top of the Mesa that Sanchez' reports could very well be what one of the anomalies that has turned up, off "Great Spirit" road. As far as chemical analyzers capable of determining an unusual organic, potentially 'nerve agent', Thermo Scientific TruDefender FT v1.3 hand held Raman spectrographic analyzer will do the job. I don't have one of them, but such a tool if a group wants to look further into trace substance present in any anomalous situation, that would be 'forensically' accepted. (http://www.officer.com/product/10048700/thermo-fisher-scientific-inc-trudefender-ft-v13-2008-innovation-awards-winner-hazmat-wmd)

mojo

22nd September 2014, 17:54

Bob, Thanks for explaining the motive for searching that area. It seems risky and sure hope you dont need to take any unnecessary chances going places they dont want you.

Bob

25th September 2014, 06:24

Bumping into the big black vehicles..

Note the unusual antenna on the "white" pickup truck..

http://chanlo.com/images/black-1.jpg

(a reference to Anthony Sanchez' experiences talk about the 'black' vehicles)

Truglivartna

19th October 2014, 21:57

Getting a little worried about you, Bob. I hope you haven't taken a poke at an angry elephant!

Trugli

Bob

20th October 2014, 06:10

We're good kit. Just compiling some deep earth shot data.

Bob

15th January 2016, 19:41

:bump:
http://cc.amazingcounters.com/counter.php?i=3190880&c=9572953

As I had mentioned to Kit, I've been exploring 3D underground analysis software..

http://chanlo.com/images/3D-1b.jpg

Here is an image from what it is capable of doing.. the spherical brown area(s) illustrates a structural "unique area of interest" - the images are able to be rotated in 3D for different perspectives. It makes 3D exploring 'quite interesting'.

Each of the light brown spheroid areas are "anomalies" - their approximate dimension and area (and location) are shown graphically.

Foxie Loxie

14th June 2017, 19:38

WOW! For any Newbies, here is an interesting thread from the past to peruse if you are interested in the DULCE area! Thanks, Bob for reintroducing the thread! I enjoyed it immensely! :highfive:

Bob

14th June 2017, 20:00

WOW! For any Newbies, here is an interesting thread from the past to peruse if you are interested in the DULCE area! Thanks, Bob for reintroducing the thread! I enjoyed it immensely! :highfive:

Thanks Foxie - there is a lot more to disclose about this, but one step at a time. Possibly do a re-post on the thread Harley started about the Roswell incident, referencing your observations/comments.. ?

===Post Update===

Never-mind Foxie Loxie, seems that Harley's thread has been moved to HOAXED and buried.. I'll reiterate the interesting material that I posted there HERE with a few additions for read-ability..

Bob

15th June 2017, 00:29

I'll cross-post here since the above mentioned thread PA member Harley created was moved to HOAXES.. I feel my comments about the Roswell anomaly that I experienced on GPS needs keeping view-able.. Dulce, Aztec NM, and Roswell remain key locations in investigating major phenomenon in the search for extraterrestrials, government cover-ups, and a whole gaggle of books/movies made about the subject. Getting into being able to LOOK FOR SURE what is present, is about proving, and or debunking what 'legends' have been created..

This might be out of place but maybe not..

Couple weeks ago I was in Abilene Texas doing some research. After completing my studies at that location (the chiggers are awful btw).. I had another location to do some research at, and such was slightly north (about 20 miles) of Pecos Texas to a place called Mentone.

I programmed in the GPS coordinates and started driving.

GPS started heading me north, for a shortcut to Mentone. No thoughts on that, the Garmin usually re-routes as needed to deal with construction, road incidents, etc.

After a while, I saw a sign saying Welcome to New Mexico .. ~!~ ??

I stopped, wondering what's what, and re-entered the GPS coordinates to my intended location (lat long.) And hit the "compute route", and again, it placed me at a location just SE of Roswell International Air Center (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roswell_International_Air_Center) about 13 miles from the airport, just outside a town called Dexter. About 20 miles SE of Roswell.

And that is NOT anywhere near Mentone Texas ! GPS was sending me 2 h 29 min (135.4 mi) via US-285 N away from my programmed destination. It simply is NOT off by that much at any time I have seen it in operation.

The airport was Roswell Army International Airfield during World War II, and Walker Air Force Base during the Cold War. When it closed it was the largest base of the United States Air Force Strategic Air Command. Roswell International Air Center was developed after the closure of Walker Air Force Base on June 30, 1967.

Needless to say, I could not get my GPS to get me to the right location as the satellite signals were apparently coming in WRONGLY at that location.. ODD or not?

== update ==

Of course it is a "tongue in cheek joke" that an hour or so drive to the east is a place called the "Midland International Air and Space Port (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midland_International_Air_and_Space_Port)".

It is the only licensed US facility licensed by the Federal Aviation Administration to serve both scheduled airline flights and commercial human spaceflight.

Commercial human spaceflight ?

Of course it is all a JOKE, right? like all that stuff about MJ-12, Roswell, and ET's running around there.. all poo'poo'd and considered as 'hoaxes' :rofl:

I do find it strange that my GPS kept routing me there, to Dexter. I suppose it is also just a strange coincidence that flying from Dexter to the NW one ends up at the Roswell "crash site".. Any chance that the information about the location was close to 180 degrees in the opposite direction, actually near Dexter, and not NW of Roswell?

Just to me, I've never seen my GPS do this, when programming in coordinates to have it 4 times re-route me to that same place.. no matter what I did, including restarts of the GPS, would it change to the proper location I needed.

alleged "crash site" coordinates

The alleged Hub Corn Ranch crash site, but it is located about 20 miles north of Roswell on HWY 285, then about 4 miles west on a dirt road that is marked where it leaves the highway with a sign indicating that it is the way to the UFO crash site.

Note on my map below, the distance is 20 miles SE, in the opposite direction of the alleged "Roswell Crash site"..

http://chanlo.com/images/gps-oddity-1.jpg

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Part 2, answering member Avid

- when navigating long distances on roads which are not marked, the ole' map book doesn't provide the information needed, especially off the main beaten path.

What I had to do was get close to Mentone TX my intended "off-road" site, and then again put in the coordinates manually and I got to the destination. When I do research, my coordinates have to be accurate to about a 10 foot radius. A map book can't get me there..

The "anomaly" could have been programmed INTO the Garmin map product, maybe "disclosure" ?? that if one entered in something close enough, it would route one to another location, potentially an important location.

Having been in the area to the NW of Roswell, doing some field investigation of my own a few years ago (recall that I investigated Archuleta (http://www.santafenewmexican.com/life/features/move-over-roswell-dulce-is-home-to-true-ufo-believers/article_3164df9a-9813-5add-9b16-5e3a90c0340e.html) Mesa (Dulce) NM and did a thread on PA about that..

My 'interest' in crash sites, DUMBS, and other historic reference sites for anomalies is something I can report on if anything is found (or not..)

Strange to be full circle "back to Roswell" after all these years.. even when I go out of my way to avoid it.

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Part-3

Roswell of course holds a fascination for all of us, and to see folks circling around back to Dulce, Aztec, and Roswell is interesting in my opinion.

I would not put it past the disinformation campaign way back then when the alleged crashed craft, and bodies actually came from a location 180 degrees in the opposite direction, to get "investigators" as far away as possible from an actual location. I never found anything of any merit at the NW location, nor a little bit south of there.

Many years ago before doing investigations of "crash sites", I did find myself camping at the reservoir where the red dive flag:

https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/t/scuba-flag-waving-diver-down-n-50205150.jpg

is marked on my map above. I got to that location as I was on a drive from the south and wanted to stop to "feel the vibes".. way before using specialized detection equipment for viewing underground anomalies..

Such equipment consists of a 3 axis sensitive magnetometer, a gamma radiation spectrometer (both used in "drive-by remote sensing over targets"), and a 3D high resolution seismic detector used in the process of creating deep underground images of caverns, fractures, caches, minerals, water, etc. The seismic package is quite capable of detecting down two miles or so with ease.

I would think if one is in Abilene (or Hobbs) and is using the same GPS model as mine with the same map update one should get the same anomaly appearing.

When I entered the GPS coordinates into my iPhone at Hobbs, NM it did NOT direct me to the location at Dexter.. iPhone pointed me to Mentone TX as it should..

So maybe that was like an "easter egg" in the Garmin .. or something interfered with the satellite that day.

I did first enter the direct coordinates about 9:30 AM Central time at Abilene TX, and then tried re-entering at about 12:45 PM, at Hobbs, NM after I saw the Welcome to NM signpost.

I was supposedly if I kept driving 95 miles NW, from Dexter, and no where near, my programmed in coordinates at Mentone Texas which was quite to the SOUTH of my location at Hobbs, NM. So at Abilene TX and at Hobbs NM, both locations I stopped the vehicle to manually enter in the destination coordinates.. and both locations pointed me to Dexter, not Mentone..

So focusing back on the OP post 1, a "disclosure" even if written as "fake news" may be some sort of hint to re-look back, but the missing piece it seems to me, is the strangeness that I experienced just a few weeks ago around there.. Why, I have no clue.

GO LOOK AT DEXTER, NM - forget trying to find the "ranch NW of Roswell"

A niggling feeling in the back of my mind says, maybe Dexter, not the "Ranch NW of Roswell" where something happened.

I may make a point of going exactly to where my Garmin GPS was sending me, and do some "underground deep search exploration" and see what shows up.. heck maybe a deep cavern or something may pop up on the display..

Why reference Roswell?

The alleged EBE supposedly was captured/taken still alive from the "crash".. to Roswell Army airbase and then interrogated.

(see reference below: http://uf0news.blogspot.com/2016/01/project-serpo.html)

Ebe #I — Was found in the Roswell crash site near Corona, NM. Ebe #l was slightly hurt and quickly recovered from his wounds. Ebe #1 was a mechanic. He was able to communicate through pictures with Army personnel. They placed him in an isolation room at the Roswell Army Airfield. In September 1947, he was transferred to Kirtland Field and was again isolated in a medical unit.

During this time period, Ebe #1 worked with top military linguists. They were able to communicate with him by showing him photographs. They later developed symbols to communicate words.

[In linguistics, these are known as LOGOGRAMS or LOGOGRAPHS].

Eventually, Ebe #I was able to utilize these symbols to communicate his wants and needs.

Why bury information? Why divert attention to being able to DETECT non-invasively, quietly and rapidly, what is HIDDEN under the earth? Possibly many legends would be debunked very fast. Possibly a lot of NEW stuff would be uncovered.. Never-the-less, a lot is at stake.. :)

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Last section bringing some moved posts back to INVESTIGATIVE status -

Seeing a 'faked' document won't stop me from going back to the coordinates my GPS kept sending me at Dexter, SE of Roswell, and gut feeling says maybe it wasn't a software glitch. And I will do some deep search seismic to see what's what.. And I'll report what I find or not, same with what I did at Dulce'.

To me all the coincidences appearing getting me to take a look around Roswell are interesting. I tend to go with my gut on things, and to me, it's to not drop taking another look around there.

Thanks for the thread Harley - I find it's served a purpose for me and for any other researchers willing to take a look not at the ranch to the NW of Roswell, but to look SE.

I would NOT have looked back at Roswell or the surrounding area otherwise. To me that means something and the 'thread' was not a waste..

== Post Update ==

Come to think of it, one would certainly create a poo poo document and release it if one were going to divert attention from the area.. (ehehe) good job diversion but it won't stop me and others from digging around there even more-so. I think I posted enough strange coincidences that poo poo'ing the thread as a known hoax won't work to bury it..

Bob

11th February 2018, 21:18

Note - updated some earlier images of the "entry" point image. As well as more oddity, and general regional images

Tied in potential "area 51-like" deep buried structure image (see below). (hadn't searched this area "yet" for similar types of cone shaped images) We have a thread on this anomalous object (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?98954-Underground-discovery-----Area-51-Nevada&p=1168810&viewfull=1#post1168810).

http://chanlo.com/images/object-1.jpg
Close-up, below is where it is positioned in the layered rock strata surrounding it (it is below ground tops being 2500 feet below the surface)

http://chanlo.com/images/object-5.jpg

http://chanlo.com/images/Dulce Archuleta Mesa Close-4.jpg

http://chanlo.com/images/Dulce Archuleta Mesa.jpg

http://chanlo.com/images/Durango-Dulce-PagosaSprings.jpg

Axman

11th February 2018, 23:56

Bob did you ever make it back to Dulce since your last investigation love to give you a hand if and when ever you go again.

The Axman

Bob

12th February 2018, 00:13

Bob did you ever make it back to Dulce since your last investigation love to give you a hand if and when ever you go again.

The Axman

I've been past there, but didn't stop on my excursion to Roswell, which I'm going to do some looks around the Dexter area, (where my GPS directed me when I had programmed it to go to a spot in Loving County, Texas).. And based on remote sensing, which will pick up an anomaly from the surface, doing some deep search probing should be pretty straightforward. I am setting up to be able to look in water in LAKES (for the USO signature - underwater/unidentified submarine objects). That will open up another aspect of exploration not being done except by military. (PM me pls)..

Here's the map, showing the different locations - I've circled in red for references:

http://chanlo.com/images/loving.jpg

Bob

19th July 2018, 18:07

Gonna bump this thread for the newcomers to take a look at

:bump2:

Foxie Loxie

19th July 2018, 19:55

Good idea, Bob!! :idea: Have you ever been able to figure out what the huge triangular thing was that you discovered underground?

Bob

20th July 2018, 03:01

Good idea, Bob!! :idea: Have you ever been able to figure out what the huge triangular thing was that you discovered underground?

I haven't been back yet, that part of the desert has been running 100+ closer to 115 during the daytime. My equipment needs to be run about 90-95 deg max.. things just start to degrade.. I suppose doing such at night may be possible when things cool off.

The thing is that huge triangle/flat-cone thing is at a precise depth; one which tracks a large evolutionary cycle across the planet.. Wondering if that object or it's contents were in some way involved with assisting or bringing forth all those most amazing life evolutions and changes.. Some sort of Genesis program?

Depth is a good indicator of historical time table in other words.. Things showing up at various depths can give us a good idea of when such was relatively on or near the surface of the planet.. Over time things get covered up..

mojo

20th July 2018, 14:24

Bob is there a way to prove the testimony of Phillip Schneider? Perhaps the test holes still remain? Shouldnt there be a record of the work somewhere? It's a shame when he was alive that he didnt lead anyone to the local. Have you found the possible location or is it impossible without more information? That would be a great way to validate a hero... the other possible clue might be the former police officer of Dulce whom wrote about the cattle mutilations, he seemed to know more than he said.

Joe from the Carolinas

20th July 2018, 15:27

Bob

21st July 2018, 01:20

The technical data you report on your Dulce trip is impressive but I’m ignorant and unable to translate.

The way it comes across is that there are above ground sensors, you weren’t able to find any of the silver circles in person that were seen on google maps, and some form of an underground electronic anomaly, but not nearly as large as the base has been described?

Please go easy on me, Im new to nearly every number and piece of equipment you typed :)

Hi Joe - thanks for stopping by in this thread. Dulce has been one of the fascinating spots for me for many years. I started with an open mind to let any shadow of doubt that such was "real" be a potential, with an understanding that I could end up part of a "soup".. Didn't faze me to take a look around tho..

One of my background skills besides medical, is sensor technology - tech that can look into things, either near field (close in, like for bodies), or far field being able to look deep into the earth. So I assume you are asking for a primer on "deep earth sensing, or far field study".

In my travels I researched a phenomenon that was discovered in Asia in the late 1930's.. that when a vibrational wave passes across a boundary (a difference of substances), an electromagnetic anomaly will be created. That anomaly can be received. Within that anomaly that is received contains "information" of the substances to either side of the vibrational wave.. That interface zone then demarks the physical shape (assuming that the boundary thusly denoted is contiguous).

A stimulation source on the surface of the earth, generates a very strong impulse that travels deep into the earth. It is triggered by the surveyor doing the study. There are ground sensors able to pick up the anomaly boundary layer signal. Knowing the speed of travel of the ground penetration vibrational impulse gives one depth indication.

A data gathering system records the anomalies in a digital recorder. A grid system is lain out over some distance allowing for a set of fixed data streams to be able to be input into a 3D matrix for display processing. The data from each location then is processed for a unique signature, or fingerprint which such fingerprint describes the "what" (the structure of the substance) of the anomaly. That is then used in the 3D display system to create a 3D graphic of "what is down there" based on what the substance is that has been located. If there is no substance being located lets say for "phosphorus" then the 3D graphic display will show no "phosphorus" if that was one of the searched for substance fingerprints.. Let's say one is looking for "water", or gas, or oil, or silver, or iron, or copper or "cavities/tunnels".. each of those fingerprints then can be searched for.

Take a look at a 3D map done after Dulce' over west of Abilene, TX. That area starts to contain caverns, further west over in New Mexico, famous Carlsbad Caverns for instance are located. The layer being looked at has just LIMESTONE turned on (other layers would be shales, and sandstones in this area), and the software was instructed to turn OFF those other layers for easier viewing.

Note the red circled areas, indicating cavern/tunnel structures at about 3500 feet below the surface. Only 7 surface data vibrational impulse wave points were used for this graphic. Limestone was the fingerprint used, so interfaces between limestone layers (usually the difference substance is either water/mudstone/sands)...

http://chanlo.com/images/limestone-cavities.jpg

If there is an unknown, something different than "rock" (which could be limestone, sandstone, granite or basalt for instance) the display system can show it as an "unknown".. And the boundaries of the "unknown" can be mapped in 3D.

The depth so far has been able to peer as deep as -20,000 feet below the earth surface, giving detailed resolutions as good as a fraction of an inch resolution if desired, or a coarse general purpose resolution of 5 to 6 inches per "analysis" point. The amount of data points then which are analyzed depends on the depth and resolution desired, and the substances to be searched for.

On the DULCE expedition no tunnels were seen. Natural gas development was seen in substantial quantities towards the south and west of the area. There are oil and gas wells in the area, suggesting that the area contains a large unexplored and non-exploited gas reserves. Early on (1967), a nuclear device was used "GasBuggy" project (https://www.onepetro.org/journal-paper/SPE-1837-PA) about 22 miles sw of Dulce.

For remote sensing, three different types of shallow to surface sensor systems were onboard.

One was a bi-lateral low frequency electromagnetic sensor system which uses as a stimulation source LF transmitters located in different parts of the world.

The LF waves penetrate the earth and appear at the surface. read this link here - great reference on that topic: http://vlf.stanford.edu/research/subsurface-detection

As one travels over any anomaly which distorts those signals, the sensor system would show the incoming waves typically bending. The location (driving over) of the bending would then allow one to create an "anomaly map" (which would be used later with the deep penetrating 3D). No appreciable surface LF anomalies were noted.

A gamma ray scintillator which would show radioactivity, in the smallest amount was running also. No appreciable changes in radioactivity appeared, which would indicate "no reactors running" for instance. It would also change over large deposits of underground water for instance. Water absorbs the emission (specifically the hydrogen molecule component of water), so any hidden "tanks" with liquid water would show up as an anomaly.

A 3 axis magnetometer was running simultaneously. Nothing in any large deviation showed up such as underground power cables, or metallic structures which would distort the normal earth's magnetic field.

End result - its an interesting gas field area, with probably some good resources for oil/gas development. The tribes in the area use the area primarily for hunting where licenses for taking an animal are very expensive.. There are no other good sources of "income", and without the promo from the various "writers" my feeling is, there would be absolutely NO interest in the area, and it would fade into obscurity. Because of the old atomic testing of making underground gas storage caverns, no doubt there were tests being performed on animals to see if subsurface radioactive contamination made it to the surface and harmed the grazing animals or surface water.

reference to hunting/fishing/camping on the reservation: http://www.jicarillahunt.com/

Reservation hunting/fishing/camping map - (In PDF format) - MAP (http://chanlo.com/images/map1.pdf)

As anyone can see one can get into this area with permission..

Bob

21st July 2018, 01:43

Hi Mojo - please see https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/phil-schneider-his-mental-illness-ssi-norio-hayakawa/

As I pointed out to Joe, there was nothing indicative of an underground base showing up from ground monitoring where it was "supposed to be".

There were surface features which showed up on Google Earth and odd surface vehicle tracks. Seeing such from the air is a lot easier than seeing things on the ground due to the perspective viewing angle issue. No doorways at those locations. No guard posts, just that one strange motion detector which could be to a guys private house based on what I showed in the image some posts back. I didn't go on the private road, but there were no military signs or otherwise saying to not enter. I saw some kids on 3 wheel motorbikes. There was on the outskirts of town the classic black large Chevy Suburban SUV, parked next to some "rancher" with a CB antenna (low band antenna) on his pickup.. Strange or odd? Maybe or maybe not.

It is a strange area. And it is a LARGE area, and I hardly covered any appreciable amount. The area SOUTH of DULCE has been suggested as a possible location for a base. I was NORTH in the classic Archuleta Mesa area. Curiosity? Most certainly, but not in the northern area where I was exploring..

Denise/Dizi

3rd February 2019, 06:37

Denise/Dizi

3rd February 2019, 06:40

Bob, have you done any more probing since last year? I would be curious as to what you have found on this site?

Bob

3rd February 2019, 08:09

No, haven't been back to Dulce', thanks for asking - the most recent expedition was north of Area 51 to do some deep underground evaluation.. see this thread - http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?98954-Underground-discovery-----Area-51-Nevada&p=1168810&viewfull=1#post1168810