Did you Know Karl Marx was related to the Rothschilds?

[ktlight]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fh5aA-77MY

"Published on 15 Sep 2014

Marx was related to the Rothschild family.

Nathan Mayer Rothschild married Hannah Barent-Cohen, daughter of Levi Barent-
Cohen and wife Lydia Diamantschleifer and paternal granddaughter
of Barent Cohen and wife, whose other son Salomon David Barent-
Cohen married Sara Brandes, the great-grandparents of Karl Marx.

Nathan Rothschild had given Marx two checks for several
thousand pounds to finance the cause of Socialism. The checks
were put on display in the British Museum, after Lord Lionel
Walter Rothschild, a trustee, had willed his museum and library
to them.

[yelik]

No surprise. They created the illusion of the communist threat in the west for financial gain and control. Can anyone name a person that actually supported communism?

Communism is a monopoly over everything, including thought, enforced by the “State.” The “State” is a front for the Illuminati Jewish central bankers who own its debt. Anything that increases “State” power is Communist. World government will take this to the next level.
“Is not war already a revolutionary function? War? The Commune (1870). Since that time every war was a giant step towards Communism.”
by Henry Makow, Ph.D.

[Observer1964]

So was Adolf Hitler...

Alois Hitler, father of Adolf, was the illegitimate son of Maria Anna Schicklgruber and Baron Rothschild.

http://www.reformation.org/adolf-hitler.html

[spizella]

Inside the video:

“There’s a plot in this country to enslave every man, woman, and child. Before I leave this high and noble office, I intend to expose this plot.” - President John F. Kennedy 7 days before his assassination

https://www.metabunk.org/threads/debunked-theres-a-plot-in-this-country-to-enslave-every-man-woman-and-child-jfk.319/


An infamous, purely Babylonian Coat of Arms, used by the Rothschild Family…..and the Russian State (i didn't found confirmation on internet).

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?74046-The-BRICS-bank-Next-Stop-On-The-Road-To-World-Currency-Anthony-Migchels-REAL-Currencies&p=867054&viewfull=1#post867054

I'm not saying that Karl Mark wasn't related to the Rothschilds, but just to be open minded and research "conspiracy" from different view points. :)

[linksplatinum]

Just about all oligarchs are in some way, shape, or form. Inbreds too mostly

[araucaria]

One of the pitfalls of genealogy is that many people exploring their family tree discover some extremely unsavoury character, say a felon or even a murderer, in their midst. This shouldn’t be a problem (but it often is) because who your relations are ultimately does not have any objective bearing on how you will turn out.

If my grandfather was a banker, I expect I’d be happy and grateful if he paid for me to study rebelliously how a moneyless society might come into being. The fact remains that Marx was able to carry out this hugely influential research, which was not perfect (how could any research be that?) and which was exposed to misappropriation (how does any research avoid that?). Communism was an ideal before becoming a political system implemented by tyrants. The theory is not tarnished by the applications we have seen so far.

The aim of Communism being

Eventually, as the class struggle ends, the state ceases to be relevant and fades from recognition, as the social institutions for the collective self-management of the human community continue without it.[6] The result is communism: a stateless, classless and moneyless society, structured upon common ownership of the means of production. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism I’d like to know which part of that is objectionable. Marx was writing over 150 years ago, which is the measure of our hindsight. In one sense, we now have the exact opposite of ‘a stateless, classless and moneyless society’: far too much government, a huger than ever divide between rich and poor, and money still in charge. But in another sense, ‘a stateless, classless and moneyless society’ is precisely what is fast approaching: an ever huger majority with less and less cash joining the ‘proletariat’; along with governments that are increasingly powerless with respect to most grassroots issues (‘the state ceases to be relevant and fades from recognition’). Marx cannot be expected to have foreseen every future development from the baseline he was working from. And by the same token, nor can the powers that be have foreseen every future development. We are constantly giving them… credit for being all-knowing: they are not. And just as good people can have felons in the family, so criminal families occasionally have white sheep in theirs.

It is important to be able to stand back now and again from all this bloodline stuff. Otherwise it is impossible to understand how, for example, Aby Warburg, the eldest brother of the banker family, gave up banking for a career in the arts, and was among other things a leading and vociferous antiwar campaigner during World War I. Let no one doubt his sincerity: it drove him insane for a time, but he cured himself - until, as I believe, it ultimately cost him his life.

At the age of 13, Warburg exchanged his position with his younger brother on the condition that he would receive funds for any books that he wanted. A small price to pay, you may think, but his project eventually turned into a hugely expensive library of 80,000 volumes. To him, this cash spent on culture was that much less for the bankers to spend on the likes of Hitler.

[jackovesk]

They're not English...:nono:

They're not German...:nono:

They are Romanian/Transylvanians...:yes4:

They are the ((Saxe-Coburg-Gotha's)) direct descendants of ((Vlad the Impaler)) i.e. Dracula himself...:shocked:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/af/Vlad_Tepes_002.jpg/375px-Vlad_Tepes_002.jpg
http://www.monarchist.ca/sites/default/files/images/pages/williamandkate/balcony.jpg

:focus:

[Observer1964]

They are Romanian/Transylvanians...:yes4:

They are the ((Saxe-Coburg-Gotha's)) direct descendants of ((Vlad the Impaler)) i.e. Dracula himself...:shocked:


I think you have to dig a little deeper still :nono:

[jackovesk]

They are Romanian/Transylvanians...:yes4:

They are the ((Saxe-Coburg-Gotha's)) direct descendants of ((Vlad the Impaler)) i.e. Dracula himself...:shocked:


I think you have to dig a little deeper still :nono:

Out with it then...:confused:

[ghostrider]

did you know the Rothchilds created the state of Israel to have a place to keep all their money ???

[jackovesk]

They are Romanian/Transylvanians...:yes4:

They are the ((Saxe-Coburg-Gotha's)) direct descendants of ((Vlad the Impaler)) i.e. Dracula himself...:shocked:


I think you have to dig a little deeper still :nono:





They are Romanian/Transylvanians...:yes4:

They are the ((Saxe-Coburg-Gotha's)) direct descendants of ((Vlad the Impaler)) i.e. Dracula himself...:shocked:


I think you have to dig a little deeper still :nono:

Out with it then...:confused:


did you know the Rothchilds created the state of Israel to have a place to keep all their money ???

That's it...:confused:

What about where ((Saxe-Coburg-Gotha's)) came from, that's what I thought you had more to say about...:noidea:

[ghostrider]

They are Romanian/Transylvanians...:yes4:

They are the ((Saxe-Coburg-Gotha's)) direct descendants of ((Vlad the Impaler)) i.e. Dracula himself...:shocked:


I think you have to dig a little deeper still :nono:





They are Romanian/Transylvanians...:yes4:

They are the ((Saxe-Coburg-Gotha's)) direct descendants of ((Vlad the Impaler)) i.e. Dracula himself...:shocked:


I think you have to dig a little deeper still :nono:

Out with it then...:confused:


did you know the Rothchilds created the state of Israel to have a place to keep all their money ???

That's it...:confused:

What about where ((Saxe-Coburg-Gotha's)) came from, that's what I thought you had more to say about...:noidea:

it is my pleasure to leave that to you ... you know you wanna say it ... they even go back further , they go way back , past the thule society , to a little planet on the other side of the Andromeda Galaxy ... they seemed immortal , extending their lifespans to almost 4,000 years old , some are even older , it's why ancient people thought they were immortal , their age is so slow it would appear they didn't age , and could outlast rebellion ...

[naste.de.lumina]

did you know the Rothchilds created the state of Israel to have a place to keep all their money ???

Israel is not a state but a nuclear Zionist militia of the merchants of death (Rothchilds)

[Robin]

Yup. As you can see through this hand gesture of hiding one's hand in a photo, Karl Marx was heavily involved with the global secret plots. This is the "Hidden Hand" gesture, which symbolizes that an individual is undergoing some plot behind the public eye.

You'll see this same sign in photos/portraits of Napoleon Bonaparte, Mozart, George Washington, Pope Jorge Bergoglio, and even pawns such as Paul McCartney, Johnny Depp, and others.

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[Taurean]

In 1791 Catherine the Great established an area called the "Pale of Settlement" in Eastern Europe in order to expel all Jews out of Russia.

This area was subsequently thought to contain some 5 - 6 million Jews.


Jewish life in the shtetls of the Pale of Settlement was hard and poverty-stricken.


The concentration of Jews in the Pale made them easy targets for pogroms and anti-Jewish riots by the majority population. These, along with the repressive May Laws, often devastated whole communities. Though pogroms were staged throughout the existence of the Pale, particularly devastating attacks occurred 1881–1883 and 1903–1906, targeting hundreds of communities, killing thousands of Jews, and causing considerable property damage.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pale_of_Settlement


From 1881- 1905 huge numbers of these Eastern Jews (Ost Juden) started to emmigrate West with large numbers taking up residence in Germany, and the East End of London, but the vast majority headed for the United States.

Eastern European Jews get a reputation for their character and the term "Schnorrer" is coined by the Bohemian Jews of Germany.


Up until this point Immigration Laws had never been enacted in the UK & the US.


In 1905 The UK introduces "The Aliens Act" thus preventing entry of persons with insufficient means to support themselves.


In 1905, an editorial in the Manchester Evening Chronicle wrote "that the dirty, destitute, diseased, verminous and criminal foreigner who dumps himself on our soil and rates simultaneously, shall be forbidden to land".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aliens_Act_1905


In 1926 the US follows suit.


At the fin de siècle the Rothschilds began purchasing large tracts of land in Palestine and began experimenting with the commune-(ism) system. To be selected to be a part of this program you had to meet a certain criteria (quality) i.e. young, Jewish, intelligent, fit & healthy.


Its first modest purchases were made in 1904 and 1908 in Lower Galilee, Judea, and the Lake Kinneret region, and two forms of settlement that would prove crucial in the land-acquisition enterprise were pioneered there: the cooperative (moshav) and the collective (kevutsa, later kibbutz).

http://www.mfa.gov.il/mfa/aboutisrael/history/pages/the%20redeemers%20of%20the%20land.aspx


In 1895 Theodore Herzl took up the baton of Zionism. Needless to say the Eastern Jews immediatly took to the cause.


Paul Johnson, A History of the Jews, p.398-99: "Herzl found himself visited by shabby, excitable Jews from distant parts, to the dismay of his fashionable wife, who grew to detest the very word Zionism. Yet these were the men who became the foot soldiers, indeed the NCOs and officers, in the Zionist legion; Herzl called them his 'army of schnorrers'. The 'army' met publicly for the first time on 29 August 1897..."

Herzl made a plea to the Rothschilds to finance the relocation of Eastern Jews to Palestine.

To the Rothschilds these Schnorrers did not meet the "criteria". They didn't want them anywhere near Palestine.


At the eighteenth Zionist Congress held in Prague in August 1933, Ben-Gurion said, "Eretz Yisrael today needs not ordinary immigrants, but pioneers. The difference between them is simple -- an immigrant comes to take from the land, whereas a pioneer comes to give to the land. Therefore we demand priority for Aliyah to pioneers."

A few months later in mid-October 1933 a meeting took place between, amongst others, the High Commissioner for Palestine, David Ben-Gurion and Moshe Shertok (Sharett). The Minutes of the meeting were written up by Shertok.

During the course of this meeting Ben-Gurion spoke about the three million Jews then living in Poland and stated that "Palestine offered no solution for all Polish Jews. Immigration into Palestine was necessarily limited, therefore it had to and could be a selected immigration. Zionism was not a philanthropic enterprise, they really wanted here the best type of Jew to develop the Jewish National Home, but they had to be given sufficient scope to bring over people of whom the country was in need."

The question which remains is who would decide who was "the best type of Jew"? As will soon be seen, such a Jew was someone who was a secular Zionist! It was a few years later at the 20th Zionist Congress held in Zurich in August 1937, that Weizmann spelled out more specifically what was meant by "selective Aliyah."

"I told the members of the Royal [Peel] Commission that six million Jews want to go on Aliyah. One of the members asked me ' Do you think you could bring all of them to Eretz Yisrael?' On this I answered ... that two million young people... we want to save. The old people will pass. They will bear their fate or they will not. They have already become like dust, economic and moral dust in this cruel world..."
- See more at: http://www.barrychamish.com/Newsletters_2014/im-so-sick-of-being-a-jew.html#sthash.XGPCnTTc.dpuf

So, we have a situation in Eastern Europe of millions of impoverished Jews that nobody wants!

What to do? - Scorched Earth

Operation Barbarossa was the largest military operation in world history in both manpower and casualties. Its failure was a turning point in the Third Reich's fortunes. Most importantly, Operation Barbarossa opened up the Eastern Front, to which more forces were committed than in any other theater of war in world history. Regions covered (i.e. The Pale of Settlement) by the operation became the site of some of the largest battles, deadliest atrocities, highest casualties, and most horrific conditions for Soviets and Germans alike—all of which influenced the course of both World War II and 20th-century history. The German forces captured over three million Soviet prisoners of war in 1941, who were not granted the protection stipulated in the Geneva Conventions. Most of them never returned alive. Germany deliberately starved the prisoners to death as part of its "Hunger Plan", i.e. the program to reduce the Eastern European population.


February 13/14 1945: (Three days after Yalta), Holocaust over Dresden, known as the Florence of the North. Dresden was a hospital city for wounded soldiers. Not one military unit, not one anti-aircraft battery was deployed in the city. Together with the 600.000 refugees from Breslau, Dresden was filled with nearly 1.2 million people. Churchill had asked for "suggestions how to blaze 600.000 refugees". He wasn't interested how to target military installations 60 miles outside of Dresden. More than 700.000 phosphorus bombs were dropped on 1.2 million people. One bomb for every 2 people. The temperature in the centre of the city reached 1600 o centigrade. More than 260.000 bodies and residues of bodies were counted. But those who perished in the centre of the city can't be traced. Approximately 500.000 children, women, the elderly, wounded soldiers and the animals of the zoo were slaughtered in one night.

It's interesting to note the East End of London bore the brunt of German bombing.

[araucaria]

You'll see this same sign in photos/portraits of Napoleon Bonaparte, Mozart,
This kind of underlines the point I was trying to make, Samwise. What evil agenda did Mozart ever serve when he wasn't instilling an exquisite sense of beauty in the souls of millions?

Marx maybe 'was heavily involved with the global secret plots', but it is far from obvious on the sole basis of this hand gesture.

Take Simon Parkes. He admits to being from an Illuminati family (MI6, MI5 working for the NSA), and a reptilian bloodline. Sure, he doesn't stick his hand in his jacket as far as I know, but neither does he serve the evil agenda. Go figure.

[ktlight]

The hierarchical structure of the English rulers banned Jews from ever becoming gentry in England. This changed when the Jews, who basically inhabited the east end of London, were approached to fund a war. Soon thereafter the negotiations to fund the war led to the first Jewish Lord.

[Taurean]

I think you'll find Jewish interest in the UK became paramount when the British East India Company surpassed in power and influence that of the Dutch East India Company. Suddenly re-addmitance of the Jews to England became first priority, but Charles l wasn't interested.

The Jews are not really interested in names or titles, Commerce is their game.

A Revolution was needed

Plan - Take Commoner and give him everything he needs to achieve objective, Cromwell, Napoleon, Hitler, thus leaving aristocracy clean.

[ktlight]

I am talking about a time when, in quite recent history, the Jews quite often funded royalty wars. They majorly inhabited the east end of london in a kind of ghetto, before there ever was a Jewish Lord in the House of Lords. It could have had something to do with the thinking that obtaining a title that high would improve their commercial position.

[araucaria]

The only Mozart connection with the Illuminati I know of is a very tenuous one. It relates to something he did as a 14-year-old in 1770. The Illuminati were not founded until 1776. He leaked a secret Vatican document to the world: the score of Allegri’s Miserere.


I sometimes grow a few [fava beans] because you can’t buy them easily. Never had any trouble that I know of. The blackfly certainly seem immune.

I wonder what the biblical literalists will think of learning that what sounds like belly-aching to the Lord was precisely that?! :)

This will include the famous Allegri Miserere (psalm 51), transcribed from memory by the boy Mozart – at the time it was very little known, being sung only on the Wednesday and Friday before Easter (that’s this week). There was a thread here not long ago explaining how this music is used as an Illuminati trigger. (I’ve done a search but strangely nothing turns up.) If you think this might concern you, please do not follow this link:


YDOENZediM8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDOENZediM8)

Some belly-aching.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miserere_%28Allegri%29

The words of the psalm end as follows:

O be favourable and gracious unto Sion: build Thou the walls of Jerusalem.
Then shalt Thou be pleased with the sacrifice of righteousness, with the burnt-offerings and oblations: then shall they offer young bullocks upon Thine altar

To suggest that we have a 14-year-old Sionist (Zionist) on our hands I think would be fairly ridiculous. He may, however, have been a ‘young bullock upon [the] altar’. Certainly, his untimely death has raised a few suspicions over the years.

Mozart rebelled against his father, and was likely only a low-level Mason. After his years as a child prodigy, his life was pretty low-key (pun intended :)). He only became a ‘Marxist’ after his death, when he was buried in Vienna’s St Marx Cemetery :)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Marx_Cemetery

[Taurean]

I am talking about a time when, in quite recent history, the Jews quite often funded royalty wars. They majorly inhabited the east end of london in a kind of ghetto, before there ever was a Jewish Lord in the House of Lords. It could have had something to do with the thinking that obtaining a title that high would improve their commercial position.

Interesting to note the centre of which was Commercial Street, - Whitechaple/Spitalfields area.

[loungelizard]

So was Adolf Hitler...

Alois Hitler, father of Adolf, was the illegitimate son of Maria Anna Schicklgruber and Baron Rothschild.

http://www.reformation.org/adolf-hitler.html




As no one knows who Hitler's paternal grandfather was, one is of course free to believe that rumour, but there is absolutely no evidence to support it - or the myth that Hitler's grandfather was a Jew named Leopold Frankenberger.

The most likely contenders are Johann Georg Hiedler and his brother, Johann Nepomuk Hiedler: everything points to Hitler being of Austrian peasant stock.

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I am talking about a time when, in quite recent history, the Jews quite often funded royalty wars. ...

Could you elaborate on that?

[Robin]

You'll see this same sign in photos/portraits of Napoleon Bonaparte, Mozart,
This kind of underlines the point I was trying to make, Samwise. What evil agenda did Mozart ever serve when he wasn't instilling an exquisite sense of beauty in the souls of millions?

Marx maybe 'was heavily involved with the global secret plots', but it is far from obvious on the sole basis of this hand gesture.

Take Simon Parkes. He admits to being from an Illuminati family (MI6, MI5 working for the NSA), and a reptilian bloodline. Sure, he doesn't stick his hand in his jacket as far as I know, but neither does he serve the evil agenda. Go figure.

When did I say that the Hidden Hand gesture was evil? Not once.

I've been meaning to respond to your other thread, but I feel that it is unnecessary, because you are picking apart my arguments based off of a notion that somehow I keep on commenting about evil being linked purely with psychopathy. All that I have been doing was pointing to the fact that "live" is "evil" backwards and that this is not a mistake etymologically. I never said that this means evil has to do with psychopathy. All that it means is that people who perform evil are acting as an opposer to the normal way of doing things, which is indicative of the word "live" backwards. It's not too different from the upside down pentagram...

Freemasons are not all psychopaths. In fact, it is a respectable organization that teaches people morals and spiritual lessons. It simply was corrupted. As you can see in my comment, nowhere did I say that the Hidden Hand gesture was given by people who only harm people.

In the case of Tolkien who was an esoteric Freemason, he utilized his knowledge to do good. He put important information in his books to get people to wake up, and he even risked his life to do so. Other Freemasons, however, are not as quick to help the masses of people.

Mozart was somebody, just like Tolkien and DiVinci, who was clued in on a lot of important information. He put a lot of esoteric symbols in his plays, most likely to reach the subconscious of people who would attend performances of the plays. Just like Tolkien, he utilized his knowledge in his creative works. If you dig deep enough, you just might find some interesting things.

[araucaria]

You'll see this same sign in photos/portraits of Napoleon Bonaparte, Mozart,
This kind of underlines the point I was trying to make, Samwise. What evil agenda did Mozart ever serve when he wasn't instilling an exquisite sense of beauty in the souls of millions?

Marx maybe 'was heavily involved with the global secret plots', but it is far from obvious on the sole basis of this hand gesture.

Take Simon Parkes. He admits to being from an Illuminati family (MI6, MI5 working for the NSA), and a reptilian bloodline. Sure, he doesn't stick his hand in his jacket as far as I know, but neither does he serve the evil agenda. Go figure.

When did I say that the Hidden Hand gesture was evil? Not once.

I've been meaning to respond to your other thread, but I feel that it is unnecessary, because you are picking apart my arguments based off of a notion that somehow I keep on commenting about evil being linked purely with psychopathy. All that I have been doing was pointing to the fact that "live" is "evil" backwards and that this is not a mistake etymologically. I never said that this means evil has to do with psychopathy. All that it means is that people who perform evil are acting as an opposer to the normal way of doing things, which is indicative of the word "live" backwards. It's not too different from the upside down pentagram...

Freemasons are not all psychopaths. In fact, it is a respectable organization that teaches people morals and spiritual lessons. It simply was corrupted. As you can see in my comment, nowhere did I say that the Hidden Hand gesture was given by people who only harm people.

In the case of Tolkien who was an esoteric Freemason, he utilized his knowledge to do good. He put important information in his books to get people to wake up, and he even risked his life to do so. Other Freemasons, however, are not as quick to help the masses of people.

Mozart was somebody, just like Tolkien and DiVinci, who was clued in on a lot of important information. He put a lot of esoteric symbols in his plays, most likely to reach the subconscious of people who would attend performances of the plays. Just like Tolkien, he utilized his knowledge in his creative works. If you dig deep enough, you just might find some interesting things.

Sticking to the topic of this thread, we are actually agreeing here Samwise - I hope you don't mind :). I am merely disputing the general black-and-white contention that things like family membership and gestures are automatically suspicious: they are not.

You did say, though, that the Hidden Hand gesture ‘symbolizes that an individual is undergoing some plot behind the public eye’. I guess ‘undergoing some plot’ is a little vague – rather in the way saying ‘Marx was a Rothschild’ (the subject of this thread), I find, says very little. The subtext is, ‘He was a pawn’. I am saying, ‘Not so’, or ‘Not necessarily’ – and now you are saying the same thing about others. Good!

Regarding the other matter, I would welcome any comments you may have in a more appropriate place. If you are interested in palindromes (as opposed to etymology, not the same thing), we could discuss that, along with things like lefthandedness and mirror writing (Da Vinci code). I would also genuinely like to hear why you think psychopathy is different from how you use the word ‘evil’, i.e. with no moral judgment (which I applaud btw). I personally tend to think that they are more or less synonymous.