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vilcabamba

18th September 2014, 00:41

Jews have been hated since forever. And now a new wave of this hate is spreading worldwide - no longer contained to a country like Germany. The new age movement and the alternative news are guilty of feeding this rise of hate. If this doesn't come to an end soon, there will be blood shed due to all the so called "light workers" and "Christians" who are feeding this repeat of history. I ask people to cease and desist on taking sides. This war is a spiritual war and the jewish people are always used as the scapegoats for the demonic forces who are hiding in the shadow.

Please reconsider your anti-Isreal and anti-Zionist posts..as people cannot decipher between the innocent jewish people (99%) and the Zionist illuminati Satanists. The jews are being dragged along again and those so called enlightened folks are doing the same feeding the hate.... just like the Nazi's in Germany. Please cease and desist before this rises to the levels the cabal want..where in the bible it says everyone turns against Isreal. This is a setup by the cabal.

The truth is ...there is sympathy for the Arabs and none for the Jewish nation - which equates to Jews everywhere. The world stands by judging the Jewish people based on their "cruelty" towards the Palestinians, without understanding how they're being provoked - because the photo ops are not of a suffering Israeli people but of dead Palestinian children. So, the truth needs to be told, because many of us "light workers" are now the carriers of disinformation and hate. This creates a very bad scenario and situation for the Jewish people in the very near future, as this movement escalates. Your Jewish friends don't need taking care of now , because everything is still in the organization stages... But, if this goes unchecked, they would have wished someone would have stepped in and corrected the world perception of Jews. We can't let the Fourth Reich birth. It will be worse than the Third and will be unstoppable, as the Arab Nations will make sure to keep fueling the fire.

EDIT - Someone below wrote the comment
" What I find concerning is the 'Jewish' people think they are better than everyone else because they're the so called ((Chosen Ones))"

My response to the above (from Vilcabamba)
My question to you is, why do you believe that jews think they are better then anyone else, that they are the chosen ones? I ask this as someone who was brought up Jewish, worked on Wallstreet with Jews, lived in Los Angeles with Jews. I have been around Jews my entire life, rich ones, poor ones, I managed money for a wealthy jewish wallstreet firm.
I will tell you this!...................

NOT ONE JEW I HAVE EVER MET EVER THINKS THEY ARE BETTER THEN OTHER RACES OR THEY ARE CHOSEN. I HAVE NEVER IN MY LIFE HEARD ANY JEWISH PERSON SPEAK NEGATIVELY ABOUT ANOTHER RACE! NO JEWISH PERSON I HAVE BEEN AROUND EVER HAS EVER SAID ANYTHING ABOUT BEING CHOSEN! THEY WOULD LAUGH IF YOU SAID IT AS IF THEY KNEW THAT WAS RIDICULOUS?
WHERE ARE You GETTING THIS INFO FROM THAT JEWS THINK THEY ARE BETTER? NO JEW I HAVE EVER MET CARES ABOUT THEIR THEIR JEWISH HERITAGE..NO JEW EVER TALKS ABOUT BEING JEWISH THAT I HAVE EVER MET. IT'S SOMETHING THAT IS AT THE BACK OF THEIR MINDS. THE THING JEWS HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT IS MAKING ENDS MEET, HAVE A HAPPY FAMILY. WE ARE NO DIFFERENT THEN OTHERS. WHAT YOU ARE BEING TOLD THAT WE SAY IS A LIE!
YOU are being BRAINWASHED TO BELIEVE THIS! That is the problem. YOU BELIEVE A MADE UP PROPOGANDA CAMPAIGN!!!!
You believe this because someone wrote it on the internet, someone started spreading this fake rumor. It's a lie! A made up lie to turn you against a race and you believe it! That is what is wrong!! It's a lie! Did you understand my point, it's all someone's made up propaganda to turn you against someone else and I have never in my life encountered anyone that even would say such nonsense as they think they are better then others. What a bull**** lie they are trying to spread against a race of people that they just love to slaughter throughout history.

naste.de.lumina

18th September 2014, 01:23

Zionism is an ideology. It is not exclusive to one people.

There are Zionists who are not Jewish in almost all Western countries.

For example. The Congress of the USA is full of Zionists who are not Jewish.

If determined not Jewish congressman vote favorably to all the demands of Nazi-Zionist-Masonic government of sinister minister netanyahu, he is a Zionist, even though he was not Jewish.

Even the leaders of Saudi arabia sleep in the same bed of the Zionists.

Despite all this there is no justification for continuing the slaughter in Gaza.

Tesseract

18th September 2014, 02:09

I reject your call for self-censorship of criticism of Israel and Zionism.

Palestinians in Gaza are allowed to import a whole range of basic items thanks to those who criticised and shamed Israel for its wicked embargo. The Israelis had, at one point or another in recent years, prevented the import into Gaza of items like chick peas, juice, pasta, books, paper, ice cream, crayons, tooth paste and jam – just to name a few. I think it’s completely sick to suggest that criticism of Israel for its chronic cruelty towards Palestinians should be muted simply so that Jews (many of whom live relatively comfortable lives compared to many of the Palestinians) don’t have to fear some anti-semite Machiavellian hijack of the public concern.

Anti-semitism obviously pre-dates Israel’s progressive journey to the right that began in earnest 14 years ago, and it certainly does exist in the alternative-sphere, I recall pointing out the blood libel in a youtube video that appeared here on the forum. However, anti-semites will always find a reason to launch attacks on Jews, and when these people try to weave in a false sympathy/outrage for Palestinians whom they don’t actually care for, the facade is obvious and they only expose themselves for the bigots that they are.

What many anti-Israel campaigners actively try to do is destroy the canard that the state of Israel and all its crimes are inextricably linked with being Jewish. Destroying this belief (and I think it does not have too much life left in it) both prevents the unjust targeting of people simply for being Jewish, and also combats the Zionist-lead indoctrination that a Jew must support Israel simply because he or she is Jewish.

What the OP does is the opposite, for example with the dreadful sentence: “The world stands by judging the Jewish people based on their "cruelty" towards the Palestinians...”. It is surely one of the worst sentences ever to appear on Avalon and I hope it was just a lapse in concentration. It is not the Jewish people’s cruelty, it is the Zionists’ cruelty which includes many a non-Jewish Zionist in Washington who is enabling the provision of arms to Israel, as naste.de.lumina pointed out. The opening post contains a rhetoric that ironically can only serve to incite the kind of injury to the Jewish people that the OP claims to be trying to prevent.

Peace&Love

18th September 2014, 03:29

Dear friends

We are definitely forgetting something here... Did any one say 'Reptilians'? 'Negative Aliens'? All earth humans are subjected to this hate game, in which all sides are victims.
The Reptilians (the bad ones...) cannot program a human mind to go to a war unless its justified in a human perspective. So indeed slaughter on both sides of the coin is definitely a reason to fuel this conflict as well as many other world wide conflicts. Humans are being programmed, lied to, manipulated and tricked to hate and kill.
We are being played both here in this life and apparently in the after life to be trapped here again and again on this prison planet.
If 'Zionists' loves the Jews so much...where were they when Hitler slaughtered the Jews, where was rich influential Rothschild and his followers?
We are being tricked on a massive scale. This is the matrix. ALL HUMANS ARE VICTIMS. This can all stop when we learn to respect and love each other.

The reptilians are in need of our misery to fuel themselves up, so they cause wars, have you noticed that war is the 'Status Quo', that it is so "natural". Do we have a historical moment, when there wasn't war upon the earth?
The Reptilians (the bad ones....) exist on the Zionstic elite (Rothchild and all the rest) but also on other human groups (ISIS, Al Qaeida, NATO, NSA etc..) because this is how they maintain the polarity game. Humans are doing the killing for them, they just INCITE us to hate and revenge. As they cannot take our free will.
There are reptilian souls masquerading as humans (either 'jewish' human, 'muslim' human, 'christian' human- religions are also Reptilian created to control and polarize us better) we should always look for the ones on top calling the shots also behind the scenes, sitting on top spots and puppet-ing us to hate each other so they can feed on our energies. Earth is an energy factory. A never ending supply of source energy as we are immortal beings.

Human mind is easy to program, that was the intervention in our DNA thousands of years ago, our DNA was manipulated to be easy to control and to allow certain certain Reptilian souls to integrate in a human body to gain leading positions. These changes allowed creating the conditions for thousands of years of wars, slavery, poverty.

As awakened beings on Avalon, i believe we should recognize this that our human core has no need for war, and it is indeed forced upon us. All human beings sent to the fire are victims, let it be Palestinians, Israelis, Iraqis, Americans, Rwandans, Russians, Ukrainians etc... We are being brained washed, programmed to go to 'justified' wars, while the real truth is that there is no such a thing a justified war. Humans are creatures of love and understanding.

Frederick Jackson

18th September 2014, 05:25

Zionism is an ideology. It is not exclusive to one people.

There are Zionists who are not Jewish in almost all Western countries.

For example. The Congress of the USA is full of Zionists who are not Jewish.

The trouble is when one uses the word "Zionist" how is one not to think that it pertains to Jews exclusively. I agree

If determined not Jewish congressman vote favorably to all the demands of Nazi-Zionist-Masonic government of sinister minister netanyahu, he is a Zionist, even though he was not Jewish.

Even the leaders of Saudi arabia sleep in the same bed of the Zionists.

Despite all this there is no justification for continuing the slaughter in Gaza.

I agree there is a problem here in PA regarding Israel, Jews and the word Zionism. When I see the word Zionist I think exclusively of Jews and the return to Israel. Nothing comes to mind of NWO and cabal plotting. And so I do not believe it is right to continue using this world so freely in PA. I agree with Vilcabamba that we risk fomenting evil if we continue this way.

Frederick Jackson

18th September 2014, 05:31

161803398

18th September 2014, 05:37

http://www.youtube.com/watch?-u5t6JWraPQ

seehas

18th September 2014, 05:46

Its easy to understand that hate about jewish people is rising since they are beeing used as a target to blame since long time and if john doe turns on the television about rockets going to palestine or larry silverstein at 911 it rounds the picture up.

if you are not educated about the cospiracy at all it is easy to blame the jews they are a font for the zionist agenda and yes you dont have to be a jew to be a zionist.

So how does it come that someone like joe biden says since he was a kid he wanted to be a zionist and he is not even jewish?

http://m.youtube.com/results?q=joe%20biden%20zionist&sm=3

And for those that understand german "iam a zionist - mathias doepfer the head of axel springer germany"

http://m.youtube.com/results?q=zionist%20axel%20springer&sm=3

ghostrider

18th September 2014, 06:01

in both sides defense , they had technology aimed at both of them keeping them at War ... it stemmed from the other side of the Andromeda galaxy , so accurate down to the millimeter , the ET's could hit a fly on the wall with a ball of negative energy ... they have been fueling this hate for over 2,500 years ... it is said , even now the technology has been destroyed ,( thanks to the plejaren) it's affects with linger for another 150 years ...

araucaria

18th September 2014, 07:00

This is not a problem on Avalon, since it is an issue that comes up for discussion on a regular basis.

It is an almost instinctive reaction of every kind of wrongdoer to blame someone else. Small children quickly learn to blame their little brother or sister, or for that matter their big brother or sister. It is very hard for a parent to make the right call. When crime becomes institutionalized, this reaction also becomes institutionalized in what I call a human shield. The perpetrators always have an innocent group to put the blame on instead of themselves – for the perpetrators are the originators of the blaming process – there is no difference between a criminal Zionist and a criminal Nazi: for both, the Jews are their human shield. I take care to add the qualifier criminal, since the whole point is that blanket statements of any kind are going to include the innocent.

And it goes on: you cannot blame a Jew for anything for fear of anti-Semitism, a black or gay for fear of racism or being anti-gay; you can accuse a press baron, but it won’t get in the news; you cannot accuse a politician or a diplomat, they have immunity – meaning that they are by definition collectively innocent.

The only solution is theoretically due process: a court of law judging on specific charges brought against specific individuals after proper investigation by duly appointed law enforcement agents. But you cannot accuse those judges or law enforcement agents of wrongdoing because there is nowhere else to go to seek redress. There is no one to police the police.

However, that sounds like just another blanket statement. It amounts to saying that all members of a given category are guilty and to blocking the way for any exceptions to come forward and break the system deadlock. God knows it must be hard enough for them to operate in such an environment. We need to open up opportunities for them to act. We have to work on the basis that such people exist and need us as much as we need them. I believe there are such ‘white hats’ in every walk of life, and once they start becoming empowered (which has already happened in my view) they will gradually gain strength, emboldening others, and eventually turn this tide.

This is something that is also happening in the population at large. Take Germany after the war. There were many more Nazis or pro-Hitlerites in that country than ever were dealt with by defeating armies and conducting Nuremberg trials. Of course, some of them got away to carry on through other channels, but the general population were largely ‘vaccinated’ against this insanity. We have to take a positive view of such situations, otherwise the battle is already lost. We have to take advantage of our vastly superior strength in numbers and hound these individuals out, one by one. For we are talking about a tiny minority of individuals, to be dealt with on an individual basis, and any blanket term (‘sheeple’ is another one that springs to mind) is obfuscating that fact and thereby defeating that purpose.

jackovesk

18th September 2014, 07:29

What I find concerning is the 'Jewish' people think they are better than everyone else because they're the so called ((Chosen Ones))

Glad, I didn't start this 'Thread' but now its here...

Its a ((HUGE)) issue to everyone in the world except the ((Jews))...:wizard:

PS - By the way ((Israel's Mossad)) played a ((Huge)) role in 911...!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJyCAZGRpf8

How about this one: The ((Jewish War)) on Russia

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwdsUdh1BZc&feature=player_embedded
or this one: United Nations Reveals Close Links Between Israel and Al Qaeda Affiliated Terrorist Organizations in Syria..!!!

http://www.globalresearch.ca/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/netanyahu-mercenary-hospital-400x266.jpg

The United Nations (UN) has stressed that there are strong links and contacts between the armed terrorist organizations in Syria and the Zionist entity.

The UN remarks came in a report by its Secretary General on the United Nations Disengagement Observer Force (UNDOF) during the period from May 29th to September 3rd 2014.

The report said that members of the so-called “armed opposition” transported 47 of its wounded members through “the ceasefire line” and handed them to the “Israeli army”, indicating that the “Israeli army” handed 43 of the wounded who were treated at the Israeli hospitals to the armed terrorist organizations.

The report talked about the attack of the terrorist organizations including Jabhat al-Nusra against the positions of the UNDOF personnel and how they seized a number of their vehicles and equipment and how they used the UN uniform.

It added that the UNDOF Commander was in constant and regular contact with the Syrian Arab army in the area as the army provided all types of support to guarantee the evacuation of the UNDOF personnel.

The report affirms what Syria has always mentioned about the close relations between the armed terrorist organizations and the Israeli occupation authorities which shows how much the Israeli occupation is participating in the sinister conspiracy hatched against Syria.

The cooperation between the terrorist organization of Jabhat al-Nusra which has been designated as a terrorist group by the UN and the Israeli occupation authorities shows that Israel supports a terrorist organization which requires a response from the international community.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/united-nations-reveals-close-links-between-israel-and-al-qaeda-affiliated-terrorist-organizations-in-syria/5401994

PSS - What I want to know is ((HOW???)) can they ((Honestly)) live with themselves after the endless ((Atrocities)) carried out on the Palestinians...:noidea: :faint:

transiten

18th September 2014, 08:46

Rich

18th September 2014, 08:53

I don't believe in blame, every hate we put out we get back, that's for sure.
That being said most of Israelis are Jews, do you think a war just happens by itself?
Israel is responsible for what it does. Not saying that other countries did nothing to fuel this conflict.

The population of Israel, as defined by the Israel Central Bureau of Statistics, was estimated in 2014 to be 8,146,300 people.
It is the world's only Jewish-majority state; 6,110,600 citizens, or 75.3% of Israelis, are Jewish.
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel

loungelizard

18th September 2014, 08:58

araucaria

18th September 2014, 09:23

Have you listened to Daniel Barenboims Divan Jewish/Palestinian orchestra? He is not totally into Avalonian perspectives but i just wanted to throw in something positive here. What if it was possible to measure the amount of posts focusing on negative or positive on Avalon? If we feed what we focus on it would be of paramount importance to balance these in EVERY THREAD.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=gDJui5-zoeg

It's not easy, the conflict i still there but at least they are doing something positive and are sitting together in the same room like equal human beings.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=giTo3sP19Tg
This came up on the forum way back in 2011: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?10845-Avalon-The-gathering-of-33-Bloodlines...&p=213784&viewfull=1#post213784
Just as many say that Jews are over-represented in journalism, politics, entertainment, banking etc, it is equally true that they punch beyond their weight in the field of the arts. I once heard a master-class Barenboim gave on a late Beethoven piano sonata, and I can assure you he has an Avalonian perspective on things, if by that one means bringing together science (here pianisitc technique) and spirituality (the guiding principle and outcome of that technique).

transiten

18th September 2014, 09:41

Curt

18th September 2014, 10:01

Jews have been hated since forever. And now a new wave of this hate is spreading worldwide - no longer contained to a country like Germany. The new age movement and the alternative news are guilty of feeding this rise of hate. If this doesn't come to an end soon, there will be blood shed due to all the so called "light workers" and "Christians" who are feeding this repeat of history. I ask people to cease and desist on taking sides. This war is a spiritual war and the jewish people are always used as the scapegoats for the demonic forces who are hiding in the shadow.

Please reconsider your anti-Isreal and anti-Zionist posts..as people cannot decipher between the innocent jewish people (99%) and the Zionist illuminati Satanists. The jews are being dragged along again and those so called enlightened folks are doing the same feeding the hate.... just like the Nazi's in Germany. Please cease and desist before this rises to the levels the cabal want..where in the bible it says everyone turns against Isreal. This is a setup by the cabal.

The truth is ...there is sympathy for the Arabs and none for the Jewish nation - which equates to Jews everywhere. The world stands by judging the Jewish people based on their "cruelty" towards the Palestinians, without understanding how they're being provoked - because the photo ops are not of a suffering Israeli people but of dead Palestinian children. So, the truth needs to be told, because many of us "light workers" are now the carriers of disinformation and hate. This creates a very bad scenario and situation for the Jewish people in the very near future, as this movement escalates. Your Jewish friends don't need taking care of now , because everything is still in the organization stages... But, if this goes unchecked, they would have wished someone would have stepped in and corrected the world perception of Jews. We can't let the Fourth Reich birth. It will be worse than the Third and will be unstoppable, as the Arab Nations will make sure to keep fueling the fire.

I have a slightly different take on this. I don't think we should shy away from fair criticisms of Israel or of wrong-headed radical Zionist policies.

But we should be very careful to draw a distinction between 'the Jews’ and 'Zionism'. They're not one in the same. Zionism is a political movement that transcends ethnicity and religion.

It uses 'the Jews' as a collective human shield.

The bizarre theology behind the politics, so far as I can tell, is as follows: Zionism, both Christian and 'Jewish' is based upon a belief that Israel is to be sacrificed in order to bring about a messianic age.

That hardly benefits the average Jew who's going to pay the ultimate price.

We have to recognise that 'the Jews’ by and large, are the collective scapegoat here. They're being set up to take the fall and face destruction.

We have to have the courage to call out radical Zionism’s transgressions. But we should be careful not to conflate 'Jews’ with Zionism while doing so.

This whole drama requires people to hate the Jews. That's part of the play. Don't buy into it. Don't be suckered.

But I do agree with the fundamental premise of your thread: that there is a movement afoot in the alternative community to gin up hatred against 'the Jews’.

It's very evident. The extent to which we buy in to this hatred is the extent to which we fail to have integrity as a community and end up supporting the beast we came here to conquer.

Here is a thread I started a while back on the subject; it may or may not be of interest to some: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?73614-The-Slippery-Slope-Conflating-Zionism-with-Judaism-Who-It-Really-Benefits

transiten

18th September 2014, 10:11

jackovesk

18th September 2014, 10:47

Ya know its funny, but I too have pissed myself laughing :pound: when some members here say they're worried that Avalon is being closely monitored by the PTW...:pound:

But I guarantee you, if we were ever to be monitored it would be because of a headline like this...

The Rise of Jewish Hate within the New Age Movement

:yes4:

araucaria

18th September 2014, 11:14

Just want to tell a joke we made on a party with a nonorthodox/atheist jewish aquaintance of mine:

A jew is complaining "O God my son has become a Christian"! God answers "Mine also"!

But Jesus was a Jew not a "Christian" and never asked anyone to start a religion in his name, just asking you to look inside and make your own contact to "Source" which he called "Father" of which one cannot be sure considering how many have tampered with the content of the Bible also leaving out the Dead Sea Scrolls, the Gnostics reincarnatrion, astrology.....and the common source of Judaism, Christianity and Islam that has been carefully hidden by the controllers, maybe there originally was some references to extraterrestrial contacts also?? Ok maybe i derailed the thread...up to you mods...

Transiten, thank you for posting those videos. This is definitely the way to go.

I think Barenboim’s interview is still as relevant five years on as when he was talking about Obama before he had done anything. Outside figures of authority like Obama should be unnecessary and irrelevant. What he is trying to achieve with his orchestra is to get both sides talking together (musically speaking), not to reach consensus on their different narratives, but to chase away the monsters they have created in their minds. It is not about resolving/dissolving differences but learning to live together despite those differences. If we apply what he says about their music to the politics, this is what we get. He talks about the need to take the line of most resistance, meaning that the only way to progress musically is to tackle difficulties head on; there are always all kinds of compromises you can make to make life easier for yourself – you skip a note, slightly change a rhythm, that sort of thing; but you lose so much in the process, it becomes too mechanical and easygoing (i.e. unexciting and sloppy). In that sense music is uncompromising, undiplomatic, ‘not politically correct’ as he says.

If the political situation is still stalemated five years after Barenboim said everyone already knew the solutions, then both sides are obviously being uncompromising to a degree that a musician like Barenboim ought to approve. What is lacking, however, is what he describes as the major quality of his orchestra: equality. In this respect, the inequality imposed by the Israeli leadership is so flagrant that we understand the difference between being demanding of oneself and others as oneself, and refusing to budge, i.e. demanding only of others and not of oneself. This is why Barenboim actually does take sides – the solution that everyone knows includes a return to the 1967 borders etc.

Regarding why the outside arbitrator (Obama) has no place in what is being attempted/achieved with this musical arrangement, which amounts to ‘fraternizing with the enemy’, I am reminded of what happened on Christmas Day 1914, when front line soldiers of both sides turned no man’s land into a soccer pitch and started kicking a football around together. (This was probably the first England vs Germany friendly matches). Of course the outside influence was the warmongering leaders themselves, who took a very dim view of the whole affair, and made sure it never happened again.

Notice how this plays out the same scenario as we find being played out on the bigger stage of ET intervention. ET outside intervention is negative in driving a stake between people by furthering their own third-party interests; you end up with warmongers like Tony Blair dressed up as peace advisers. Benevolent ETs on the other hand practise non-intervention in order to bring people together. I don’t suppose Daniel Barenboim even believes in benevolent ETs, but he is clearly furthering their agenda, or non-agenda.

naste.de.lumina

18th September 2014, 11:52

I agree there is a problem here in PA regarding Israel, Jews and the word Zionism. When I see the word Zionist I think exclusively of Jews and the return to Israel. Nothing comes to mind of NWO and cabal plotting. And so I do not believe it is right to continue using this world so freely in PA. I agree with Vilcabamba that we risk fomenting evil if we continue this way.
If you can not see / understand the link between the Zionists and the leaders of the NWO globalist cabal, then you have a problem with beliefs that you have to solve for yourself. No one can do it for you.

Rich

18th September 2014, 11:55

Vilcabamba, I thought about your words a bit more and maybe you just don't
want yourself or people you know to be criticized for a conflict you do not support.
I understand this concern. There are Jews that do no support the war and there
are Israelis that do not.
Again there is no need for hate or blame (only forgiveness and Love) those that
have caused this suffering to others will get it back one way or another.
To say that 99% of the Jews are innocent in this when over 70% of Israelis are
Jews is obviously not true.
Only way to peace is when we stop blaming others for our troubles and take responsibility.

naste.de.lumina

18th September 2014, 12:01

Gaza was given every opportunity in the world to recover and prosper a number of years ago and it was blown in corruption and then in violence. What was the loan or investment in Gaza, quite a few billions I recall. All squandered.

Every day I get a slap in the face of the corruption that exists in every hole on this planet, but nothing compares to the pain I feel on such impunity

Delight

18th September 2014, 13:58

Jews have been hated since forever. And now a new wave of this hate is spreading worldwide - no longer contained to a country like Germany. The new age movement and the alternative news are guilty of feeding this rise of hate. If this doesn't come to an end soon, there will be blood shed due to all the so called "light workers" and "Christians" who are feeding this repeat of history.

Recently I have been very bothered by the observation that a pendulum is swinging to backlash against the values that could be considered new age so actually in the collective, this is a repeat of his story.

Yes, I also have been bothered by "picking on the jews". IMO no matter what nuances people are shading in the alt press and among the "self ascribed experts", when the word Jew is used it stirs up atavistic impulses in the unhealed collective psyche. (Atavism is the tendency to revert to ancestral type. In biology, an atavism is an evolutionary throwback, such as traits reappearing which had disappeared generations before.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atavism)

My concern led me to see that the three Abrahamic religions all place GOD outside and also that we see this in Hinduism, Goddess religions, the "Councils" of all the ascended Masters etc...

In interacting with all GOD, one is justified in acting out what GOD has chosen the worshiper to do. This will be interpreted by those who are "priests" and one will be punished for not following orders. Also, GOD will usually transmit through priests the teachings that are cultural and play up the ancestral values.

The situation is really very much more drastic IMO at the moment with what Moslems believe GOD wants and NOT the Jews. So IMO, the predicated base of fingering Jews suits the Arabs, the white MAJORITY (power based not numbers) and actually there is no way to escape all the hatred in the playing fields of the LORD.

I had an Epiphany in about 2006 that actually I am God. I was horrified at first about this idea. Then I realized that this is not the ego GOD but the real God who acts through me like everything. It is my wisdom, my love, my hilarity and my complete inability to point the finger at anyone as the Good and Bad Guys to fight who is the God acting in me. There are many other attributes to being God. This is what IMO is why we are here in form...to learn how God works. God is action, creation and is love in its workings.

Now SERIOUSLY, I believe the biggest split that will divide sheep and goats is between those who must follow GOD and those who are God. God acts from within in the only way God can at that moment. GOD asks the followers to do anything GOD wants and it will go against what God knows really is the way, the truth and the light.

So it is this split that we are seeing in the collective. The Followers of GOD hate one another and are all acting out the end of the world. God is at the beginning, is now and ever will be.

Hervé

18th September 2014, 14:34

Jews have been hated since forever....
[...]

One wonders why would various cultures at various times -- especially in those times when news weren't going further than the next door neighbors -- exhibit such a consensus and congruence of response to a people's preached and inculcated behaviour which, incidentally, is the behaviour adopted by feudal warlords, aristocrats of all denominations and current illuminati/controllers/zionists, etc... you know, the ones who want to do away with who they determine to be useless eaters...

Agape

18th September 2014, 14:45

Thank you for starting this thread, vilcabamba.

I've come up with a few possible reasons for this rise of hatred - maybe others will come up with more?

Ignorance and laziness: it's convenient to have a scapegoat. It's comforting to be able to trace all evil back to one single, convenient source and encompass all the vastly complex events of the world in one simple explanation.

A belief in the propaganda promoted by some in the Arab world.

Lies in the form of historical literature written with the deliberate intention to slur and defame being presented as true eg the Protocols.

The ideology of radical right wingers and neo-Nazis.

An intentional or ignorant misunderstanding of concepts such as "the chosen ones" and blood libel.

Fundamental Christians obsessed with the end-times rise of the Anti-Christ.

Simple, old-fashioned, mindless anti-Semitism promoting the notion that Jews are either involved in, or the reason for, all tragic world events.

Any promotion of hatred and division has its roots in deep ignorance. Those who - either naively or deliberately - buy into that hatred and division are being played.

See also here ... thread started by SamWiseTheBrave , I think it pertains to the topic ..

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?75037-Help-Wanted-Research-assistance-on-Jewish-origins&p=877879#post877879

Besides that .. it's not and never has been about Jews . What it has always been about are human archetypes and preservation of knowledge .

Whoever 'noble people' are concerned , through out human history , their genetic component , morphological features , psychology, ideals , history , religion&philosophy were always stressed to be the 'oldest' and 'close to the primordial archetype' compared to 'everyone else' who were the 'gentile' , the barbarian hordes, the 'no ones' .

It's been refined ideal of Han Chinese and Japanese beauty and perfection, 'closest to the heaven' against everyone else ,

it's been the refined 'blond and blue aryan ' beauty coming from the North ,

and similarly the 'chosen' ideal of prodigious omniscient Jewish Elder and his sons , and daughters, making the best sense of the world .

I'd call this 'ethnic narcissism ' and agree on it being very nasty , no matter what form and shape it takes .

It exists in countless forms , some global , others local and less obvious nevertheless , pride associated with 'special humans' gives rise to hatred each time this myths is perpetuated and used against others ,
evoking similar traits in them .

The danger to the new age community truly is ... in certain unbased believes that are on par with certain extremist movements , 'haters movements' no matter whom they hate and blame this time ,

no one has more or less right to be where they are , suppose they live peacefully , in harmony with others .

If we want to educate people , lets make sure that all understand they have equal right to be here and come from the same source , it's been repeatedly stressed on this forum alone that human history on Earth lasted millions of years, not few thousand and different human groups evolved to people of different characters ..but none were shown to be 'super-human' ,
none were 'that much' better than the others , and none are 'that much' worse . We are witness to it nowadays ,

call your genetic overviews for witness and look carefully what is happening with people who come from so called '3rd world countries' and whose parents , some of them , lived in extreme poverty and dirt,
once they get a chance for normal nutrition, standard medical care and good education,
they are champions .

Half of the 'Spelling Bee' in the US is now being won by children of Indian immigrants , first or second generation and these children , both boys and girls are incredibly fast , they excel in all sciences and what can you name .
Their grandfathers, most of them did not speak English, did not eat meat and many spent life times on polishing your grandfathers shoes .

Now these children are top class physicists , pilots, doctors , biologists ... because they've got a chance .

The same goes for children and people all over the world . And this world too has a chance , if people care to stop the stupidity and wars about 'being better than the other' etc etc etc

:angel:

778 neighbour of some guy

18th September 2014, 15:02

What I find concerning is the 'Jewish' people think they are better than everyone else because they're the so called ((Chosen Ones))

Now you're just generalizing Jacko, I am very well acquainted with six Israeli jews, none of them think they are better than everyone else, they bullsh!t better than everyone else ( I know) but that's about it, period.

Delight

18th September 2014, 21:14

The OP said

"The new age movement and the alternative news are guilty of feeding this rise of hate."

I don't wish to be critical of this idea exactly but I really cannot agree that the source of triggering familiar reactions in present times is arising from a "New Age Movement". I in fact think the promise of what the "new age" values could mean have been well manipulated to fail.

People have become disillusioned with "new age" as promoted by the embedded "old age" application of Universal principles. The inability to cross a contextual divide is creating a backlash because one cannot be in two contexts so dissimilar. It becomes very confused as people have not been able to take management of their own spiritual/material sovereignty.

But IMO this new age will unfold despite the difficult transition. It will happen and some will not cross to the new context now.

The new age leads IMO to a wholey different focus on consciousness and energy as the basis of reality. It has such a different mode of operation than social constructs practiced for "time immemorial". That people have failed to step out to the "new age" and are reverting to familiar strategies to deal with life takes nothing from the values that are beautiful,life affirming and workable for those already living them individually.

IMO The Real New Age focus on the individual is key. it is not selfish but SELF inclusive with the emphasis on the part knowing it's wholeness. This is the beyond tribal and physical material and IMO where people are stuck. Moving to knowledge of consciousness as all being LIFE and unfolding includes everything as one self. One has the vision of being one and many and all valuable.

It is not possible to live THIS new age and hurt another (as that one is self from the micro to macro), be concerned by the dilution of "race" or "culture" (as race AND culture is grouping of physical being vehicles with a past to replicate, not the being evolving to a new unknown purpose), following GOD against conscience (as conscience is the voice of God within), fearing for anything (as immortal being is never hurt).

Because people have claimed to be representative of a "new age" but have actually been repackaging an "old age" system of worship of Deity or Deities that comprise bigger human ego attributes projected and a materialistic idea of religion and dependence on "lack" driven compromise as commerce, the new age looks trivial. The new age as I see it has never failed, just the vision and practice of what cannot be seen until one has become that.

The Real New Age is about spiritualization of matter. Some might see that as the alchemy process? It is being God in form IMO, knowing who one is and where one is and is very loving. Hate is the absence of love IMO.

The "old age" spiritual connection is to GOD and is found outside, has "initiation" of a hierarchy (like needing ordination by a bishop[or shaman, even]), control of membership (often subtly demonstrated in in/out groups), a materialistic base (evidenced by new age solutions to LACK (called prosperity thinking but really believing "not enough") and the craven selling of spiritual trinkets, salvation or pyramid schemes of "enlightenment") and dissociation so that the body is not appreciated as the instrument of God.

I feel very strongly as you can read that the confusion is based on not knowing "who we are", so depending on beliefs we have been taught and that rub others terribly raw. The seemingly ridiculous way people behave tests us. Knowing (or gnosis) is personal however and cannot be read to understand. To experience this shift is IMO is why we are here, why this chaotic moment is so fraught with challenge and why I have 100% faith in the benevolence of the teleology of consciousness itself (A teleology is any philosophical account that holds that final causes exist in nature, meaning that — analogous to purpose found in human actions — nature inherently tends toward definite endshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teleology). The intention of consciousness for its unfolding pulls us out of the mire of the material. Becoming sentient as God is more wonderful than the experience we have known on earth in the near past. Did we ever? I do not know but some say we did?

Sean

23rd September 2014, 01:55

Jews have been hated since forever. And now a new wave of this hate is spreading worldwide - no longer contained to a country like Germany. The new age movement and the alternative news are guilty of feeding this rise of hate. If this doesn't come to an end soon, there will be blood shed due to all the so called "light workers" and "Christians" who are feeding this repeat of history. I ask people to cease and desist on taking sides. This war is a spiritual war and the jewish people are always used as the scapegoats for the demonic forces who are hiding in the shadow.

Please reconsider your anti-Isreal and anti-Zionist posts..as people cannot decipher between the innocent jewish people (99%) and the Zionist illuminati Satanists. The jews are being dragged along again and those so called enlightened folks are doing the same feeding the hate.... just like the Nazi's in Germany. Please cease and desist before this rises to the levels the cabal want..where in the bible it says everyone turns against Isreal. This is a setup by the cabal.

The truth is ...there is sympathy for the Arabs and none for the Jewish nation - which equates to Jews everywhere. The world stands by judging the Jewish people based on their "cruelty" towards the Palestinians, without understanding how they're being provoked - because the photo ops are not of a suffering Israeli people but of dead Palestinian children. So, the truth needs to be told, because many of us "light workers" are now the carriers of disinformation and hate. This creates a very bad scenario and situation for the Jewish people in the very near future, as this movement escalates. Your Jewish friends don't need taking care of now , because everything is still in the organization stages... But, if this goes unchecked, they would have wished someone would have stepped in and corrected the world perception of Jews. We can't let the Fourth Reich birth. It will be worse than the Third and will be unstoppable, as the Arab Nations will make sure to keep fueling the fire.

are you out of your mind?! the entire world just watched israel bomb innocent civilians in gaza for the umpteenth time..the israeli govt does things that are almost cartoonishly evil, while making the american taxpayer foot most of the bill..they did 9/11 and a bunch of other false flags..and you come on here peddling this same-old "everyone hates the jews" BS..maybe if israel would learn to get along with its neighbors, and stop doing so much evil, maybe if jewish ppl worldwide(not all, but quite a few) would stop supporting this evil, then perhaps people wouldn't be so angry.

People on this forum are smarter than this, OP. go peddle this nonsense on prisonplanet.com or something.

Edit: and, as a lightworker myself(Reiki practitioner, alien contactee, and generally "sensitive") don't you DARE claim we're bringing hate and disinformation. true lightworkers get their information from NONLOCAL INTELLIGENCES. We cannot be fooled by this hasbara foolishness you're promoting. We got another false flag coming(info received in the dream state) and you wanna know who's going to be the culprit?

I'll give you one guess: your precious, innocent,put upon, oppressed, hated israel. Killing more innocent people who never did a DAMN thing to them.
#GTFOH :crazy:

jackovesk

23rd September 2014, 02:20

Jews have been hated since forever. And now a new wave of this hate is spreading worldwide - no longer contained to a country like Germany. The new age movement and the alternative news are guilty of feeding this rise of hate. If this doesn't come to an end soon, there will be blood shed due to all the so called "light workers" and "Christians" who are feeding this repeat of history. I ask people to cease and desist on taking sides. This war is a spiritual war and the jewish people are always used as the scapegoats for the demonic forces who are hiding in the shadow.

Please reconsider your anti-Isreal and anti-Zionist posts..as people cannot decipher between the innocent jewish people (99%) and the Zionist illuminati Satanists. The jews are being dragged along again and those so called enlightened folks are doing the same feeding the hate.... just like the Nazi's in Germany. Please cease and desist before this rises to the levels the cabal want..where in the bible it says everyone turns against Isreal. This is a setup by the cabal.

The truth is ...there is sympathy for the Arabs and none for the Jewish nation - which equates to Jews everywhere. The world stands by judging the Jewish people based on their "cruelty" towards the Palestinians, without understanding how they're being provoked - because the photo ops are not of a suffering Israeli people but of dead Palestinian children. So, the truth needs to be told, because many of us "light workers" are now the carriers of disinformation and hate. This creates a very bad scenario and situation for the Jewish people in the very near future, as this movement escalates. Your Jewish friends don't need taking care of now , because everything is still in the organization stages... But, if this goes unchecked, they would have wished someone would have stepped in and corrected the world perception of Jews. We can't let the Fourth Reich birth. It will be worse than the Third and will be unstoppable, as the Arab Nations will make sure to keep fueling the fire.

are you out of your mind?! the entire world just watched israel bomb innocent civilians in gaza for the umpteenth time..the israeli govt does things that are almost cartoonishly evil, while making the american taxpayer foot most of the bill..they did 9/11 and a bunch of other false flags..and you come on here peddling this same-old "everyone hates the jews" BS..maybe if israel would learn to get along with its neighbors, and stop doing so much evil, maybe if jewish ppl worldwide(not all, but quite a few) would stop supporting this evil, then perhaps people wouldn't be so angry.

People on this forum are smarter than this, OP. go peddle this nonsense on prisonplanet.com or something.

Edit: and, as a lightworker myself(Reiki practitioner, alien contactee, and generally "sensitive") don't you DARE claim we're bringing hate and disinformation. true lightworkers get their information from NONLOCAL INTELLIGENCES. We cannot be fooled by this hasbara foolishness you're promoting. We got another false flag coming(info received in the dream state) and you wanna know who's going to be the culprit?

I'll give you one guess: your precious, innocent,put upon, oppressed, hated israel. Killing more innocent people who never did a DAMN thing to them.
#GTFOH :crazy:

:bump:.....

mojo

23rd September 2014, 02:51

vilcabamba ty for being bold and stating your position.

naste.de.lumina

23rd September 2014, 03:03

The Zionist government of Israel being awarded for the Zionist Congress of the United States for competent massacre in gaza.

Senate Passes Bill Declaring Israel as ‘Major Strategic Partner’
SEPTEMBER 19, 2014

http://www.algemeiner.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/full-senate-300x200.jpg

JNS.org (http://www.jns.org/news-briefs/2014/9/19/senate-passes-bill-declaring-israel-as-major-strategic-partner#.VByVtfmwLwo=) – The U.S. Senate unanimously adopted the United States-Israel Strategic Partnership Act on Thursday evening. The bipartisan bill, which declares Israel to be a “major strategic partner,” was authored by Sens. Barbara Boxer (D-CA) and Roy Blunt (R-MO) and had 81 co-sponsors.

“America’s long-standing relationship and strong cooperation with Israel dates back to the presidency of fellow Missourian Harry S. Truman,” Blunt said in a statement.

Besides generally elevating the status of the U.S.-Israel relationship, the bill expands the Jewish state’s trade status to expedite export licensing, increases cooperation on energy and other technologies, maintains Israel’s qualitative military edge in the Middle East, and increases U.S. weapons stockpiles in Israel as well as Israeli access to them.

But notably left out of the bill is Israel’s inclusion into the U.S. visa waiver program, which has been held up over concerns about Israelis overstaying visas in the U.S. as well as objections by the U.S. State Department over Israeli border policies, which State has called “discriminatory.”

At the same time, a congressional source told the Jerusalem Post that the visa waiver program has become controversial in Congress in recent weeks for reasons “entirely unrelated to Israel,” but instead “because of what is going on with ISIS (Islamic State).”

The “major strategic partner” bill has been promoted by the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) and a similar bill was passed by the U.S. House in March.

“This bill will dramatically strengthen and expand the U.S.-Israel alliance as a way to confront new threats and challenges in the Middle East,” AIPAC said in a statement.

Source: http://www.algemeiner.com/2014/09/19/senate-passes-bill-declaring-israel-as-%E2%80%98major-strategic-partner%E2%80%99/

Taurean

23rd September 2014, 07:24

27337

The Elephant in the Room

I think this comment is worth reprinting here ;-

Endnote by Mary ThomasA comment (November, 2012) from the Occidental Observer. (Mary Thomas may not be his/her actual name; I don't know). She talks of the USA, but it could be any once-white country: France, Britain, Sweden, Canada, Germany, Australia, ...

White Americans fought their German brothers during the world wars, and then GAVE the Jews a country of their own, and to thank us they give us the genocide of the white race. The evil I'm talking about here, the betrayal of the good will of decent whites here in America who NEVER MEANT ANY HARM WHATSOEVER TO THE JEWS—the evil is beyond my imagination. As we head into the cannibal's pot, you can BET that we're going to take the Jews down with us. Trust me, when whites figure out what has happened, there is going to be hell to pay. The irony is that we loved and admired the Jews.

I can't imagine that ANY of our major problems could have gained any traction whatsoever if not for Jewish influence. Abortion, feminism, porn, affirmative action, massive immigration—you can rattle off the things that are tearing us down and behind each and every one of those issues you will find malevolent Jewish interests. But it takes a bit of intelligence and research to be able to put it together in your mind. I had NEVER had anything but admiration for Jews my entire life. At one time I had totally accepted that the Jews WERE a superior group and that they DESERVED to be the new mandarin class. I was a liberal for most of my adult life. Then came the bailouts of 08, and I started digging and reading, and I was shaken to the core when I realized that the entire thieving elite was above the law. I sincerely wish that I did not know the things I know now, because the information causes me great emotional pain. But it is what it is, and the truth cannot be denied.

araucaria

23rd September 2014, 09:13

are you out of your mind?! the entire world just watched israel bomb innocent civilians in gaza for the umpteenth time..the israeli govt does things that are almost cartoonishly evil, while making the american taxpayer foot most of the bill..they did 9/11 and a bunch of other false flags..and you come on here peddling this same-old "everyone hates the jews" BS..maybe if israel would learn to get along with its neighbors, and stop doing so much evil, maybe if jewish ppl worldwide(not all, but quite a few) would stop supporting this evil, then perhaps people wouldn't be so angry.

People on this forum are smarter than this, OP. go peddle this nonsense on prisonplanet.com or something.

Edit: and, as a lightworker myself(Reiki practitioner, alien contactee, and generally "sensitive") don't you DARE claim we're bringing hate and disinformation. true lightworkers get their information from NONLOCAL INTELLIGENCES. We cannot be fooled by this hasbara foolishness you're promoting. We got another false flag coming(info received in the dream state) and you wanna know who's going to be the culprit?

I'll give you one guess: your precious, innocent,put upon, oppressed, hated israel. Killing more innocent people who never did a DAMN thing to them.
#GTFOH :crazy:
If this abbreviation means what I think it means, I don’t think it is a very acceptable response to another forum member. You are entitled to disagree with the OP but you have no business behaving as if you owned the placed. The OP did not express or encourage hate of any kind. It was about treading the fine line between criticism of a certain faction running countries including Israel and falling into the trap of racism and anti-Semitism. Other posters have shown how this is indeed a problem, and at least has the potential for becoming one on Avalon too. I personally disagreed with the OP (among other things) on the extent of that problem here, but not on the need for vigilance.

I respectfully submit that you fall into that trap yourself. You speak on behalf of one group – ‘true lightworkers’ – while the OP speaks of a different group – forum members. I personally cannot speak for all forum members, simply because some of them express views very different from my own, and some are likely working against me (us) – hence my concurring with the need for vigilance. I do not ask them to leave because a) I have no authority to do so, and b) I may be missing something. Likewise, I wouldn’t claim to speak for true lightworkers either, and advisedly so, because I cannot see myself ever beginning a sentence with ‘don't you DARE claim’. This is a small point to be sure, but such expressions are somewhat controlling and unsure of themselves, and don’t fit the picture I have of a truly enlightened lightworker.

The fact is that the issue is far from black and white – reread the pages of intervening posts – and I feel you are responding in black-and-white terms to the possibly black-and-white subtext of the OP. As you say, ‘People on this forum are smarter than this’. Even if we make it very clear that we are referring specifically to the cabal and not to any population at large, it is important to build a case against such people as one would against any other criminal, i.e. by establishing evidence that will hold up in court. This does not include accusing them of crimes supposedly yet to come that so far have no existence outside of your dreams. They couldn’t get Al Capone for any of his Mafia dealings, still less for anything he was only maybe thinking of doing – they nailed him on the lesser guilty charge of tax evasion. If you move away from due process, you will find yourself on a very slippery slope, leading to the ‘thought police’.

I would remind you that most dreams deal with personal issues. Any dreams of large-scale disaster these days are likely to take the form of a false flag perpetrated by the usual suspects. There is a great likelihood of such a thing indeed happening, for at any point in history we are likely to see more of the same until we see something different. But such an event is not proof of the validity of the dream as premonition. These dreams – all of them collectively (how many people are having them, I wonder?) – may well be of the self-fulfilling type. This is circular in nature and is related to Barbara Hand Clow’s concept of ‘catastrophobia’. It works like this: I have nightmares of bad things that have happened in the past; I take them to be premonitory and project them into the future; they happen all over again. QED. We need to stop having these dreams for things to change.

Here is something in today’s news: reports of an arson attack perpetrated on a Jewish Rabbi for his anti-Israeli activism. In this article, the notion of antisemitism is dreadfully muddied: does it include things like the attack on the Rabbi or things like the attack by the Rabbi on Israeli policy? It would seem the latter only, since we read that

Recent months have seen hundreds of incidents of antisemitism as well as abuse of people supporting the Palestinian cause, according to campaigners.

If, precisely on the subject of an attack on a Jew, a Rabbi moreover, ‘abuse of people supporting the Palestinian cause’ is to be distinguished from ‘antisemitism’ in this way rather than conflating the two, then this is diametrically opposed to the dictionary meaning of the word ‘antisemitism’: ‘hostility towards or discrimination against Jewish people’.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/noone-harmed-in-arson-attack-on-antiisrael-orthodox-rabbis-car-9749404.html

Due process in matters of language involves agreement on how we use words. Lawyers sometimes quote dictionaries to establish whether what is being debated is not in fact double-speak, as here. Again we get into circularity: the myth of the self-hating (antisemitic) Jew. Ultimately, on another level, everything can of course be internalized in this way. But on the level of everyday reality and duality where these things are playing out, what we see is a person (who also happens to be human, and specifically Jewish) who strongly disagrees and objects to something being done by another person or persons (who also happen to be human, and specifically Jewish). Hence the notion of Jewishness becomes irrelevant (their Jewishness ‘cancels out’). And more disturbingly, the notion of humanity appears to become irrelevant. It does not: what we mean by ‘humanity’ is indeed the subject of this struggle. The struggle is about rejecting certain behaviour as inhuman, i.e. unacceptable on the part of future humanity, simply because it leads to the race’s downfall. We are talking about behaviour (or call it a type of energy), not people. However, if certain individuals so identify with this behaviour that needs to be stamped out that they face some kind of extinction, then that is up to them. Inhumanity is quite simply incompatible with humanity.

Whether or not we consider ‘inhuman’ to equate with ‘alien’ or ‘reptilian’ is another extension of this battle. I would suggest that it does not; it is an anthropocentric term for something much bigger. Our ‘humanity’ is what connects us to other species, and we need to find an umbrella term for it, just as ‘archontic force’ appears to be a satisfactory synonym for inhumanity in this extended sense. That is the force that needs to be combatted wherever it appears. Which is why the whole gamut of racism and other –isms falls woefully short of that target, landing on people instead – and in so doing concealing the very existence of that archontic force.

Robin

23rd September 2014, 10:51

Any promotion of hatred and division has its roots in deep ignorance. Those who - either naively or deliberately - buy into that hatred and division are being played.

See also here ... thread started by SamWiseTheBrave , I think it pertains to the topic ..

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?75037-Help-Wanted-Research-assistance-on-Jewish-origins&p=877879#post877879

Besides that .. it's not and never has been about Jews . What it has always been about are human archetypes and preservation of knowledge .

To add to Agape's comment, I need to stress again that my thread does not contain an ounce of blame, ridicule, or any form of hate towards Jewish people. My one and only intention with that thread was to better understand the world we live in, which the Jewish people are intricately a part of.

It is a healthy thing to ask these big questions, and the search for Truth leads down tunnels that may bring one to analyze topics that we have been conditioned to avoid due to racism, misogyny, or other forms of belittlement.

It is well known in Truth circles that Zionism is an ideology that is being purposely spread to illicit a certain agenda. It is to not only get people to sympathize for the cause of Israel (which is sponsored by the U.S.), but to label anybody as racist for daring to challenge the notion that the Jewish people are a chosen people who deserve the land that Palestinians occupy.

This is not unlike their agenda in putting Barack Obama in presidency. It was to give people an illusion of change and to give them a reason to continue war crimes after Bush's reign. As soon as anybody dares to challenge Barack Obama's motives (through objective and justified means), they are labeled as racist.

I see that the OP may have fallen into this trap, but at the same time, I can understand why there is pent up emotion towards this topic.

Sean

23rd September 2014, 15:54

are you out of your mind?! the entire world just watched israel bomb innocent civilians in gaza for the umpteenth time..the israeli govt does things that are almost cartoonishly evil, while making the american taxpayer foot most of the bill..they did 9/11 and a bunch of other false flags..and you come on here peddling this same-old "everyone hates the jews" BS..maybe if israel would learn to get along with its neighbors, and stop doing so much evil, maybe if jewish ppl worldwide(not all, but quite a few) would stop supporting this evil, then perhaps people wouldn't be so angry.

People on this forum are smarter than this, OP. go peddle this nonsense on prisonplanet.com or something.

Edit: and, as a lightworker myself(Reiki practitioner, alien contactee, and generally "sensitive") don't you DARE claim we're bringing hate and disinformation. true lightworkers get their information from NONLOCAL INTELLIGENCES. We cannot be fooled by this hasbara foolishness you're promoting. We got another false flag coming(info received in the dream state) and you wanna know who's going to be the culprit?

I'll give you one guess: your precious, innocent,put upon, oppressed, hated israel. Killing more innocent people who never did a DAMN thing to them.
#GTFOH :crazy:
If this abbreviation means what I think it means, I don’t think it is a very acceptable response to another forum member. You are entitled to disagree with the OP but you have no business behaving as if you owned the placed. The OP did not express or encourage hate of any kind. It was about treading the fine line between criticism of a certain faction running countries including Israel and falling into the trap of racism and anti-Semitism. Other posters have shown how this is indeed a problem, and at least has the potential for becoming one on Avalon too. I personally disagreed with the OP (among other things) on the extent of that problem here, but not on the need for vigilance.

I respectfully submit that you fall into that trap yourself. You speak on behalf of one group – ‘true lightworkers’ – while the OP speaks of a different group – forum members. I personally cannot speak for all forum members, simply because some of them express views very different from my own, and some are likely working against me (us) – hence my concurring with the need for vigilance. I do not ask them to leave because a) I have no authority to do so, and b) I may be missing something. Likewise, I wouldn’t claim to speak for true lightworkers either, and advisedly so, because I cannot see myself ever beginning a sentence with ‘don't you DARE claim’. This is a small point to be sure, but such expressions are somewhat controlling and unsure of themselves, and don’t fit the picture I have of a truly enlightened lightworker.

Bit of a strawman here. the phrase #GTFOH, does mean what you think, but it's more "gimme a break" than "leave now". New Yorkers understand this. Also, I never claimed to speak for "true lightworkers". I gave my opinion on how a true lightworker receives their information. a small point, but, hey, if you want to sharpshoot me, I'll do likewise. Also, he slandered lightworkers generally with the claim of hate and disinformation, but never presented any evidence of said hate other than assertion. As far as how I wrote it.."dare claim"..well, I WOULD write that, and to me, it perfectly expresses my feeling. I am not you, etc.

The fact is that the issue is far from black and white – reread the pages of intervening posts – and I feel you are responding in black-and-white terms to the possibly black-and-white subtext of the OP. As you say, ‘People on this forum are smarter than this’. Even if we make it very clear that we are referring specifically to the cabal and not to any population at large, it is important to build a case against such people as one would against any other criminal, i.e. by establishing evidence that will hold up in court. This does not include accusing them of crimes supposedly yet to come that so far have no existence outside of your dreams. They couldn’t get Al Capone for any of his Mafia dealings, still less for anything he was only maybe thinking of doing – they nailed him on the lesser guilty charge of tax evasion. If you move away from due process, you will find yourself on a very slippery slope, leading to the ‘thought police’.

Well, you're right. the middle east is certainly not black and white, it's insanely complicated. But certain things ARE black and white, to wit: The mass killing of innocent men, women, and children. This last action by Israel(and all previous) are literally shooting fish in a barrel. Palestinians have no air force, or navy, or subs, or gunships, fighter jets, no nukes, no biological weapons. Israel has all of these. Hamas has some ak-47's some half-ass rockets, and Israel pretends that THEY are the ones terrorized..gimme a break :) As far as my dream goes..set it aside then. the list of crimes israel has committed thus far is MORE than enough to stir the ire of people across the planet, and rightfully so. that doesn't mean I hate all jews..neither should anyone else..but we have to admit there is a huge problem of support within the jewish community for war crimes that israel commits. It affects all of humanity, so its our collective problem, and it needs to be dealt with.

I would remind you that most dreams deal with personal issues. Any dreams of large-scale disaster these days are likely to take the form of a false flag perpetrated by the usual suspects. There is a great likelihood of such a thing indeed happening, for at any point in history we are likely to see more of the same until we see something different. But such an event is not proof of the validity of the dream as premonition. These dreams – all of them collectively (how many people are having them, I wonder?) – may well be of the self-fulfilling type. This is circular in nature and is related to Barbara Hand Clow’s concept of ‘catastrophobia’. It works like this: I have nightmares of bad things that have happened in the past; I take them to be premonitory and project them into the future; they happen all over again. QED. We need to stop having these dreams for things to change.

Here is something in today’s news: reports of an arson attack perpetrated on a Jewish Rabbi for his anti-Israeli activism. In this article, the notion of antisemitism is dreadfully muddied: does it include things like the attack on the Rabbi or things like the attack by the Rabbi on Israeli policy? It would seem the latter only, since we read that

Recent months have seen hundreds of incidents of antisemitism as well as abuse of people supporting the Palestinian cause, according to campaigners.

If, precisely on the subject of an attack on a Jew, a Rabbi moreover, ‘abuse of people supporting the Palestinian cause’ is to be distinguished from ‘antisemitism’ in this way rather than conflating the two, then this is diametrically opposed to the dictionary meaning of the word ‘antisemitism’: ‘hostility towards or discrimination against Jewish people’.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/noone-harmed-in-arson-attack-on-antiisrael-orthodox-rabbis-car-9749404.html

Due process in matters of language involves agreement on how we use words. Lawyers sometimes quote dictionaries to establish whether what is being debated is not in fact double-speak, as here. Again we get into circularity: the myth of the self-hating (antisemitic) Jew. Ultimately, on another level, everything can of course be internalized in this way. But on the level of everyday reality and duality where these things are playing out, what we see is a person (who also happens to be human, and specifically Jewish) who strongly disagrees and objects to something being done by another person or persons (who also happen to be human, and specifically Jewish). Hence the notion of Jewishness becomes irrelevant (their Jewishness ‘cancels out’). And more disturbingly, the notion of humanity appears to become irrelevant. It does not: what we mean by ‘humanity’ is indeed the subject of this struggle. The struggle is about rejecting certain behaviour as inhuman, i.e. unacceptable on the part of future humanity, simply because it leads to the race’s downfall. We are talking about behaviour (or call it a type of energy), not people. However, if certain individuals so identify with this behaviour that needs to be stamped out that they face some kind of extinction, then that is up to them. Inhumanity is quite simply incompatible with humanity.

Whether or not we consider ‘inhuman’ to equate with ‘alien’ or ‘reptilian’ is another extension of this battle. I would suggest that it does not; it is an anthropocentric term for something much bigger. Our ‘humanity’ is what connects us to other species, and we need to find an umbrella term for it, just as ‘archontic force’ appears to be a satisfactory synonym for inhumanity in this extended sense. That is the force that needs to be combatted wherever it appears. Which is why the whole gamut of racism and other –isms falls woefully short of that target, landing on people instead – and in so doing concealing the very existence of that archontic force.

I'm skipping to the end here to say this: One of the tactics that protectors of Israel use is the "muddy the water" approach. "its complicated", "we don't know"..etc. Look, some things are just WRONG. Occupying someone else's land, and killing them indiscriminately, all while playing the victim is just wrong. that is what israel has been doing.

and it needs to stop.

Edit: a little something to illustrate my POV: http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/09/22/harari-dead/

spiritwind

23rd September 2014, 17:00

I’m probably not going to be very popular here but just can’t help myself. If the story is correct then my biological father was a member of the Jewish community in California so this is not at all about anyone who says they are Jewish. Also, Judaism is a religion and yet there are many who call themselves Jewish and are not religious at all. My question is, who really stands behind the curtain and calls the shots here? My feeling is that the source of the real evil here is not even human at all. As an ethnic group they are pawns in a game that ends up with no real winners. We are all here on this planet together and until we really start getting down to learning how to live in peace it is not going to get any better. Clearly those at the top know this and do not for one minute intend to let this happen if they can help it. They will use any and all means to accomplish a continuous state of conflict between various groups of earth people. They even continue to use the same old story line and it’s getting very boring to me. Death death and more death. When will it ever end.

Baby Steps

23rd September 2014, 22:13

We want to manifest a peaceful society where atrocities are atrocities and are condemned without qualification. That is the future and key to getting there. So if that is the way we want to go it is consistent to be critical of Israel and it's American support. But that does not preclude a recognition of the difficult position that the Israelis find themselves in, nor can we withdraw our empathy. In conversations with God, it warns of the dangers of one group of people considering themselves holier than another. This is a deep seated facet of religious fundamentalism that does not come from god,probably a sinister entity. It is important when criticising any atrocity to disown any suggestion of racialism. The Israelis are not a race.we must abhor racism in the form of anti semitism just as we abhor those who cry racism when we criticise a state. If we stop standing up against evil we are lost.

jackovesk

23rd September 2014, 22:53

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Image: The destroyed Al Wafa hospital and surrounding buildings in Shejaiya, Gaza

NATION OF COWARDS

Nation of Cowards: What else can you fairly call a people who attack a population of refugees confined to a small space surrounded on every side by fences and machine-gun towers, a population with nowhere to run? No, that is not put strongly enough. Not just attack, but use the latest and most ferocious weapons from the American arsenal to slaughter more than 2100 people, including more than 500 children, destroying along the way a major portion of the housing, businesses, and institutions of a poor people.

John Chuckman

The definition of a coward is not the traditional military one of a soldier who won’t fight. No, that’s far too simplistic and self-serving. The genuine meaning of the word, the meaning that warrants our full sense of revulsion and contempt, is someone who attacks someone far weaker than themselves. A large man who beats a woman or a child with his fists or a policeman who clubs a handcuffed prisoner – that is the accurate and meaningful definition of the word. And the people of Israel responsible for Operation Protective Edge are as sadly perfect examples of genuine cowards as you can find in the world.

What remarkable courage it takes – outfitted as the IDF is with Kevlar armor, the latest intelligence gadgets, satellites, radios, support of every imaginable kind, and immensely powerful weapons (they even get hot pizzas delivered as they pause in their gruesome work) – to shoot people who cannot run away, are often poorly fed and clothed, and who mostly have no weapons. And the courage of the Israeli pilots who make bombing runs over homes, schools, apartments, and stores from the safety of their supersonic fighters is surely remarkable. They remind me of the American pilots who shot and incinerated countless retreating Iraqi soldiers in the (engineered) First Gulf War while the television broadcasts caught their gleeful shouts of “Wow, it’s just like shooting fish in a barrel!”

Yes, Americans are the only comparable example of Israel’s cowardice, the Americans who literally enable Israel’s savagery but also themselves have given the world the best part of half a century of savagery abroad, the deaths of literally millions of civilians in half a dozen countries – deaths by carpet bombing, napalm, missiles, white phosphorus, various poisons, and the razor-like shards of cluster bombs.

The United States, like Israel, is never called to account for the worst record on the planet of mass killing and destruction. You simply cannot name a contemporary criminal enterprise or a so-called terrorist organization which has a record so steeped in horrors as those two.

Wholesale death inflicted with utter disregard for international law and custom has become standard policy for both countries. Yes, there are always excuses for mass murder, the weasel words such as communists or terrorists or dictators and weapons of mass destruction (Americans ironically being the only people on earth who actually used them, twice, on civilians) – all of them having no more real meaning than Stalin’s chillingwreckers, a word he used to signal his creatures that it was time for a new bloody purge. In some cases those purged were simply people Stalin did not like or of whom he felt jealous, but in most cases of the millions smashed or consigned to hell on earth, the only motive was to terrify a population into submission, and that is exactly what Israel’s motive is for its periodic massacres of Palestinians and Lebanese.

Anyone of moderate intelligence who reads and thinks must know Israel is in no danger from anyone, least of all the Palestinians who have no organized army, no navy, and no air force, not to mention very little of anything else. Israel is armed to the teeth with conventional and non-conventional weapons, it leans back arrogantly into the arms of super-power America and plays the victim in a land it victimizes, and it functions as a garrison state whose major purpose is to hold down and make miserable millions of people who happen not to be Jewish, all the while hoping they will one day pick up and leave. It is absurd to say Israel’s security is endangered by anyone, and especially by the hopeless, lifetime prisoners of Palestine.

Turning a blind eye to the Holocaust three-quarters of a century ago was an unforgivable thing, but in at least one very real sense, it is now even more culpable the way the West turns a blind eye to Israel’s horrors. The Holocaust was perpetrated in great secrecy, and there was no Internet or international media equipped with satellites to tell the world what was happening. There was no United Nations or other international organizations watching. Today, what Israel does is everywhere to be seen. People in America eat their suppers watching Israeli jets bombing homes. Without much effort you can find images of Palestinian children with portions of their heads missing. And we all saw the Israelis from Sderot sit in lawn chairs on a bluff in the evening breeze laughing and applauding as women and children writhed in agony far below much like ants being stepped on.

http://www.intifada-palestine.com/2014/09/nation-cowards/

About the Author...

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John Chuckman is former chief economist for a large Canadian oil company. He has many interests and is a lifelong student of history. He writes with a passionate desire for honesty, the rule of reason, and concern for human decency. John regards it as a badge of honor to have left the United States as a poor young man from the South Side of Chicago when the country embarked on the pointless murder of something like 3 million Vietnamese in their own land because they happened to embrace the wrong economic loyalties.

He lives in Canada, which he is fond of calling “the peaceable kingdom.” John’s columns appear regularly on Counterpunch, Media Monitors, Politics Canada, Baltimore Chronicle, Online Journal, Scoop (New Zealand), Asian Tribune, Aljazeerah.info, Smirking Chimp, Dissident Voice, and many other Internet sites. He has been translated into at least ten languages and is regularly translated into Italian and Spanish. Several of his essays have been published in book collections, including two college texts. His first book has just been published, The Decline of the American Empire and the Rise of China as a Global Power, published by Constable and Robinson, London.

araucaria

24th September 2014, 06:43

are you out of your mind?! the entire world just watched israel bomb innocent civilians in gaza for the umpteenth time..the israeli govt does things that are almost cartoonishly evil, while making the american taxpayer foot most of the bill..they did 9/11 and a bunch of other false flags..and you come on here peddling this same-old "everyone hates the jews" BS..maybe if israel would learn to get along with its neighbors, and stop doing so much evil, maybe if jewish ppl worldwide(not all, but quite a few) would stop supporting this evil, then perhaps people wouldn't be so angry.

People on this forum are smarter than this, OP. go peddle this nonsense on prisonplanet.com or something.

Edit: and, as a lightworker myself(Reiki practitioner, alien contactee, and generally "sensitive") don't you DARE claim we're bringing hate and disinformation. true lightworkers get their information from NONLOCAL INTELLIGENCES. We cannot be fooled by this hasbara foolishness you're promoting. We got another false flag coming(info received in the dream state) and you wanna know who's going to be the culprit?

I'll give you one guess: your precious, innocent,put upon, oppressed, hated israel. Killing more innocent people who never did a DAMN thing to them.
#GTFOH :crazy:
If this abbreviation means what I think it means, I don’t think it is a very acceptable response to another forum member. You are entitled to disagree with the OP but you have no business behaving as if you owned the placed. The OP did not express or encourage hate of any kind. It was about treading the fine line between criticism of a certain faction running countries including Israel and falling into the trap of racism and anti-Semitism. Other posters have shown how this is indeed a problem, and at least has the potential for becoming one on Avalon too. I personally disagreed with the OP (among other things) on the extent of that problem here, but not on the need for vigilance.

I respectfully submit that you fall into that trap yourself. You speak on behalf of one group – ‘true lightworkers’ – while the OP speaks of a different group – forum members. I personally cannot speak for all forum members, simply because some of them express views very different from my own, and some are likely working against me (us) – hence my concurring with the need for vigilance. I do not ask them to leave because a) I have no authority to do so, and b) I may be missing something. Likewise, I wouldn’t claim to speak for true lightworkers either, and advisedly so, because I cannot see myself ever beginning a sentence with ‘don't you DARE claim’. This is a small point to be sure, but such expressions are somewhat controlling and unsure of themselves, and don’t fit the picture I have of a truly enlightened lightworker.

Bit of a strawman here. the phrase #GTFOH, does mean what you think, but it's more "gimme a break" than "leave now". New Yorkers understand this. Also, I never claimed to speak for "true lightworkers". I gave my opinion on how a true lightworker receives their information. a small point, but, hey, if you want to sharpshoot me, I'll do likewise. Also, he slandered lightworkers generally with the claim of hate and disinformation, but never presented any evidence of said hate other than assertion. As far as how I wrote it.."dare claim"..well, I WOULD write that, and to me, it perfectly expresses my feeling. I am not you, etc.

The fact is that the issue is far from black and white – reread the pages of intervening posts – and I feel you are responding in black-and-white terms to the possibly black-and-white subtext of the OP. As you say, ‘People on this forum are smarter than this’. Even if we make it very clear that we are referring specifically to the cabal and not to any population at large, it is important to build a case against such people as one would against any other criminal, i.e. by establishing evidence that will hold up in court. This does not include accusing them of crimes supposedly yet to come that so far have no existence outside of your dreams. They couldn’t get Al Capone for any of his Mafia dealings, still less for anything he was only maybe thinking of doing – they nailed him on the lesser guilty charge of tax evasion. If you move away from due process, you will find yourself on a very slippery slope, leading to the ‘thought police’.

Well, you're right. the middle east is certainly not black and white, it's insanely complicated. But certain things ARE black and white, to wit: The mass killing of innocent men, women, and children. This last action by Israel(and all previous) are literally shooting fish in a barrel. Palestinians have no air force, or navy, or subs, or gunships, fighter jets, no nukes, no biological weapons. Israel has all of these. Hamas has some ak-47's some half-ass rockets, and Israel pretends that THEY are the ones terrorized..gimme a break :) As far as my dream goes..set it aside then. the list of crimes israel has committed thus far is MORE than enough to stir the ire of people across the planet, and rightfully so. that doesn't mean I hate all jews..neither should anyone else..but we have to admit there is a huge problem of support within the jewish community for war crimes that israel commits. It affects all of humanity, so its our collective problem, and it needs to be dealt with.

I would remind you that most dreams deal with personal issues. Any dreams of large-scale disaster these days are likely to take the form of a false flag perpetrated by the usual suspects. There is a great likelihood of such a thing indeed happening, for at any point in history we are likely to see more of the same until we see something different. But such an event is not proof of the validity of the dream as premonition. These dreams – all of them collectively (how many people are having them, I wonder?) – may well be of the self-fulfilling type. This is circular in nature and is related to Barbara Hand Clow’s concept of ‘catastrophobia’. It works like this: I have nightmares of bad things that have happened in the past; I take them to be premonitory and project them into the future; they happen all over again. QED. We need to stop having these dreams for things to change.

Here is something in today’s news: reports of an arson attack perpetrated on a Jewish Rabbi for his anti-Israeli activism. In this article, the notion of antisemitism is dreadfully muddied: does it include things like the attack on the Rabbi or things like the attack by the Rabbi on Israeli policy? It would seem the latter only, since we read that

Recent months have seen hundreds of incidents of antisemitism as well as abuse of people supporting the Palestinian cause, according to campaigners.

If, precisely on the subject of an attack on a Jew, a Rabbi moreover, ‘abuse of people supporting the Palestinian cause’ is to be distinguished from ‘antisemitism’ in this way rather than conflating the two, then this is diametrically opposed to the dictionary meaning of the word ‘antisemitism’: ‘hostility towards or discrimination against Jewish people’.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/noone-harmed-in-arson-attack-on-antiisrael-orthodox-rabbis-car-9749404.html

Due process in matters of language involves agreement on how we use words. Lawyers sometimes quote dictionaries to establish whether what is being debated is not in fact double-speak, as here. Again we get into circularity: the myth of the self-hating (antisemitic) Jew. Ultimately, on another level, everything can of course be internalized in this way. But on the level of everyday reality and duality where these things are playing out, what we see is a person (who also happens to be human, and specifically Jewish) who strongly disagrees and objects to something being done by another person or persons (who also happen to be human, and specifically Jewish). Hence the notion of Jewishness becomes irrelevant (their Jewishness ‘cancels out’). And more disturbingly, the notion of humanity appears to become irrelevant. It does not: what we mean by ‘humanity’ is indeed the subject of this struggle. The struggle is about rejecting certain behaviour as inhuman, i.e. unacceptable on the part of future humanity, simply because it leads to the race’s downfall. We are talking about behaviour (or call it a type of energy), not people. However, if certain individuals so identify with this behaviour that needs to be stamped out that they face some kind of extinction, then that is up to them. Inhumanity is quite simply incompatible with humanity.

Whether or not we consider ‘inhuman’ to equate with ‘alien’ or ‘reptilian’ is another extension of this battle. I would suggest that it does not; it is an anthropocentric term for something much bigger. Our ‘humanity’ is what connects us to other species, and we need to find an umbrella term for it, just as ‘archontic force’ appears to be a satisfactory synonym for inhumanity in this extended sense. That is the force that needs to be combatted wherever it appears. Which is why the whole gamut of racism and other –isms falls woefully short of that target, landing on people instead – and in so doing concealing the very existence of that archontic force.

I'm skipping to the end here to say this: One of the tactics that protectors of Israel use is the "muddy the water" approach. "its complicated", "we don't know"..etc. Look, some things are just WRONG. Occupying someone else's land, and killing them indiscriminately, all while playing the victim is just wrong. that is what israel has been doing.

and it needs to stop.

Edit: a little something to illustrate my POV: http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/09/22/harari-dead/
Thank you. I am not a New Yorker. I am not trying to sharpshoot you. But you've got my point about dream content also muddying the water, and that it doesn't help to shout at us either. Otherwise, of course I agree with you - some things are very wrong, but we have to take very careful aim because we are dealing with a target behind a human shield.

Please read the rest of my post too.

transiten

24th September 2014, 07:32

araucaria

24th September 2014, 08:18

pathaka

24th September 2014, 15:24

Calling spade a spade is not hate.

Israel's current and past administrations have acted in segregatory, anti-semitic, inhumane and genocidial manner. This is beyond dispute. The only countries not accepting this officially are Israel and USA.

Also, global-zionists who think they are superior and want to rule over others are acting just as badly as any other conqueror/imperialist/dominator from history.

This is not hatred, it's an observation.

If people cannot take honest observations, it is for them to deal with.