Your opinions please on oil supplements...

[Lefty Dave]

Greetings friends and neighbors...
Thought I'd ask the forum...if you could only get one of these...which would it be?
Fish Oil Coconut Oil Flax oil which would be the better choice? Or, name another, if there are other oils, generally better, ...we're in our mid 60's-70's, and in generally good health...
What are your thoughts? Thanks
Blessings
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[ponda]

Hard to say which one is best for a persons health.I've been putting organic coconut oil into smoothies for a while now and am thinking of adding some omega 3 fish oil as well.Some say that coconut oil is a good alternative for cooking instead of some other cooking oils.You can use a particular oil depending on what you might require it for etc.I haven't read much about Flax oil.

Here are some links for Coconut and Fish oils.

http://authoritynutrition.com/top-10-evidence-based-health-benefits-of-coconut-oil/

https://www.organicfacts.net/organic-oils/organic-coconut-oil/health-benefits-of-coconut-oil.html

http://iquitsugar.com/39-uses-for-coconut-oil-and-cookings-not-one/

http://www.webmd.com/hypertension-high-blood-pressure/guide/omega-3-fish-oil-supplements-for-high-blood-pressure

http://www.acaloriecounter.com/diet/fish-oil/

http://www.chatelaine.com/health/wellness/the-benefits-of-fish-oil-seven-surprising-ways-it-improves-your-health/

[PurpleLama]

This is the stuff, right here. (http://www.greenpasture.org/public/Products/ButterCodLiverBlend/index.cfm)


Or, this. (http://www.greenpasture.org/public/Products/InfusedCoconutOil/index.cfm)

[conk]

This is the stuff, right here. (http://www.greenpasture.org/public/Products/ButterCodLiverBlend/index.cfm)


Or, this. (http://www.greenpasture.org/public/Products/InfusedCoconutOil/index.cfm) Yes sir, without a doubt. Some of the finest essential oils available. We consume them like candy.

Different fats satisfy different requirements of the body. You should consume unrefined, unheated, unprocessed fats in a variety of kinds. Coconut, flax, and real olive oil should serve as the base. Macadamia nut oils are good for cooking. They have a very high flash point. Avocado oil can be healthful. The latest on fish oils and most marine oils is to avoid (see below). Several respected studies have revealed that plant based oils are better.

Consume foods that contain raw fatty acids, a much better plan than consuming bottled oils. That said, some bottled oils are very acceptable, even necessary.

Almost forgot butter oil. Dr. Weston Price (wrote THE book on health and nutrition) says butter oil is the real deal.

[conk]

Excerpt from Dr. Robert Rowen's newsletter Second Opinion:

Well, this month, I’m going to share another about
face I’ve made in recent months. This one may shock
you, as it goes against all of the medical dogma you’ve
heard. In fact, this dogma is so ingrained in medicine
that alternative and conventional doctors alike accept it.
Yes, I’m going against what many of my alternativeminded
colleagues (including me) have believed for years.
So what is this major change that I’m suggesting?
It’s the belief that fish oils are the best source of omega-
3 fatty acids for your body. After you read the evidence,
you may even question whether you should be taking
fish oils at all.
Supplement sellers actively push fish, marine, and
krill (a type of shrimp) oil. So, when I suggest that we
need another fresh look, I can understand the hesitation
people have in easing up on fish oil. With this report, I
won’t bring you my beliefs. I’ll bring you the unprecedented
findings from an ongoing study conducted by
Professor Brian Peskin. He is a leading physiologic EFA
expert using plant-based, unheated, chemically unprocessed, and unoxidized fatty acids. These are fully
physiologically functional parent essential oils, which he
terms “PEOs” (short for “Parent Essential Oils”).
Professor Peskin’s research started in the cancer
field, based on the groundbreaking discoveries of Nobel
Prize-winner Otto Warburg, MD, PhD, which I’ve written
about in past issues (see my website for details).
Professor Peskin has advanced Warburg’s work.
He’s discovered that amazingly, there is a fundamental
cancer/heart disease connection. I’ll show you this new
science and share the discovery that can help prevent
America’s #1 cause of death — cardiovascular disease.
Professor Peskin graduated from MIT, one of the
world’s leading institutes of science. He was not trained
in the medical field. But sometimes, it takes a gifted person
from outside the box to uncover what those within
the box just can’t see. PEOs are so called because they are the 18 carbon
chain fatty acids that are the only true “essential fatty
acids.” The longer chain fatty acids of marine oils,
including EPA and DHA, are not “essential” fatty acids.
Your body makes these longer fatty acids automatically
from the true parent essential oils — if you’re getting
enough of the PEOs. We’ve come to believe that somehow
humans don’t automatically make sufficient longer
chain fatty acids (EPA and DHA) from the parent oils.
We do!!! And this study proves that it’s better to let your
body make what it needs in its own wisdom, than to
force-feed it what it might not want or need.
Now back to the study. The median duration of use
was 24 months. Half of the participants took the PEOs
for less than 24 months and half for more than 24
months. Twenty-five of the subjects improved their arterial
flexibility. That’s a stunning 73% effectiveness. The
average improvement was a nine-year decrease in arterial
age (stiffness).
Amazingly, 34 out of 35 subjects either tested better
than their physical age would suggest or at least stayed
at their physical age. Today, many people have premature
heart attacks. This study proved the effectiveness of
what will be a major tool in reversing this trend. This is
an incredible result, since it confirms that using PEOs
will markedly decrease your risk of a heart attack regardless
of age or existing physical condition.....
Now what’s amazing is the NNT (number of persons
needed to be treated to see an effect in just one person)
was only 1.4. Pharma considers an NNT of less than 50 a good result for the effectiveness of their poisons.
For example, for statins, the NNT to “prevent” one
cardiovascular event is greater than 80. That means
more than 80 people would need to take a statin for
many years to see a positive outcome in just one person.
In contrast, just 1.4 people taking parent essential oils
need to take it for there to be a positive outcome in one
person. That is simply astounding.
Alex Kiss, PhD, is a statistician who has worked as
a consultant to the National Institute of Health (NIH).
He’s co-authored numerous peer-reviewed medical
papers that appeared in major medical journals, including
New England Journal of Medicine and Cancer. He
found that the statistical significance of the Peskin/Sim
work is extremely high. This work delivered 99.85% confidence.
Most medical studies come in at only 95%. This
study is 30 times more accurate than the average clinical
study. That means the results can’t be due just to
chance or error.
The mean “biologic” arterial age of the subjects
dropped nearly nine years!!! In another highly statistically
significant study, researchers analyzed 7 males and
9 females aged 46-84, taking PEOs over an average of
just 2.5 months. The time was from one month to eight
months of PEO usage.
In this very short period of time, seven of the 16
improved. That’s an amazing 42% effectiveness in
reversing arterial age in just a few short months. The
average improvement was 7.2 years of arterial age.
Here, the NNT was a low 2.3, and the results came in
only months (not years, like statins).
But here’s where it gets really interesting, in fact
scary, considering the dogma (and use) out there about
fish/marine/krill oil. Another study looked at 15 people
(7 males and 8 females aged 46-74, average age was 60)
who were taking fish oil. The researchers replaced the
fish oil with PEOs for an average duration of use of only
3.5 months. Thirteen of the 15 improved. That’s an 87%
effectiveness rate. The NNT was only 1.2. But, improvement
in arterial age was higher in this group that had
been taking fish oil than the other subgroups. Their
arterial age dropped 11.1 years, as measured by standard
population samples!
One subject remained unchanged, and one subject
worsened (by only a year). The statistical significance
was 99.99%, which is extremely high! In fact, this is 500
times more reliable than the typical 95% threshold used
in most pharmaceutical studies. In subjects with high
cholesterol, simply replacing their fish oil with PEOs
improved six subjects. In those with high cholesterol, the
NNT to improve the vascular system was an incredible
1.2. (That means that if 12 people take the product, 10
will improve. That’s simply stunning!) One subject with
both diabetes and high cholesterol improved.
Again, statins would require more than 80 people
treated (for years) to effect one less cardiovascular event.
Compare that to the PEO treatment, which improved
almost every single subject’s arterial age. In two patients
on statins, both improved their arterial flexibility by 20
years with the PEO formulation.
So why is this scary? DPA is a medically accepted,
direct, physiological, real-time measure of your arterial
age (flexibility). It makes blood measurements of cholesterol
and other “surrogates” seem antiquated. Here, we
have a group of people who were using fish oil, whose
mean arterial biological age was 49. After using PEOs, it
fell to 38 — that’s an 11-year improvement! This is an
unprecedented, landmark result!
The tragedy is that fish oil taken in the amounts
that most physicians recommend can overdose you with
20-times too much DHA and 250-500 times too much
EPA. Just think what would happen if you took 250
aspirin capsules — you’d be dead! Of course, fatty acids
are not a drug like aspirin. But, anything can act like a
drug in your body if you take it in pharmacological
amounts. That’s my concern about the unbridled rise of
marine oil consumption. We just don’t know what they
will do in the long run.
Friend, this is just fantastic information. When it
reaches the mainstream press (if they allow it to), it will
shatter the fish oil myth. This science is easily 10-20 years
in advance of anyone else, making it state-of-the art.
As a summary: Your body is really looking for 18
carbon-chain fatty acids, called “parent essential oils.”
Fish oil does NOT provide these fatty acids. These 18
carbon-chain fatty acids are the “heart and soul” of your
cell membranes. The normal person doesn’t naturally
convert very many fatty acids into long-chain derivatives
(EPA and DHA). Normally, at least 95% of EFAs stay in
parent form in your cells. Your body never converts more
than a mere 5% (usually less than just 1%) of these EFA
“parents” into derivatives (EPA and DHA), as your body
sees fit in its own wisdom. As you may know, oxidized (rusted/rancid) cholesterol
is a major cause of vascular disease. It’s quite possible
that fish/krill/marine oils contribute to this oxidation
process. Research confirms, absolutely, that “foods”
containing oxidized (rusted/rancid) oils attached to the
cholesterol are the direct cause of vascular disease. And
most fish oils (though not all) are already rancid before
you take them. If you take these oils, they will oxidize
your cholesterol. This will wreak havoc, even if your cholesterol
levels are “low.” You have to correct the cholesterol
structure. The way to do it is to incorporate plenty
of fully functional unoxidized PEOs.
When you ingest these unadulterated fatty acids,
they will gradually replace the adulterated (rusted,
deformed trans) fatty acids in your cells. This allows
your body to repair the damage and reverse arterial age.
According to the findings of the state-of-the-art IOWA
study, you may actually contribute to arterial aging
when you take fish oil. PEOs, on the other hand, replace
dangerous oxidized fatty acids with the ideal parent
omega-6/-3 proper physiologic ratio of oils that your body
requires. This is terrific news! This data strongly suggests
that replacing your damaged fats with fresh
undamaged parent essential oils may be the most effective
method ever found to reverse vascular disease and
prevent heart attacks.
I admit this is a major paradigm shift. I had to
struggle with it myself. But the research and discoveries
come from “rock solid” science. PEO oils are plant-based,
so anyone can take them (including strict vegans).
Although the IOWA study is ongoing, all the results I
discussed here are already highly significant statistically.
And I will tell you about the ongoing results.
In the meantime, if you have any hint of vascular
disease, or don’t want vascular disease, I now only recommend
plant-based parent essential oils. In my opinion,
YES EFA is the best PEO product on the market. It contains
omega-6 linoleic acid and omega-3 alpha linolenic
acid from several omega oil packing powerful plants. The
odds of this single product helping you are extremely
high (like about 90%). This is the very reason I asked
Advanced Bionutritionals to carry this product. Even with
my outstanding diet, and a DPA test indicating my vessels
30 years younger than my chronologic age, I take Yes
EFAs. You can order Yes EFAs by calling 800-791-3395. If
you got good results with fish oil, imagine the incredible
results you’ll get with plant-based PEOs.

END.

Sorry about the way this cut and pasted into the thread. Conk.

[Lifebringer]

Coconut oil to combat alzheimers or garlic oil to keep immune health up.

[ponda]

@ conk

Good point about the krill oil/omega 3's.I might stick to the coconut oil.

cheers

[PurpleLama]

We also comsume a fair amount of hemp oil at our house, we use it in all our cooking. Just watch out if you make brownies, they smell an awful lot like the "real thing". Hemp oil purportedly has the right proportion of the parent oils described in the article conk posted, which won't have me swearing off what I refer to as butter liver oil, I have mentioned elsewhere on this subject how I had west nile virus in '06 and never made the full recovery until I started taking the fermented cod liver oil combined with the high vitamin butter oil in '12.

[bettye198]

https://www.nordicnaturals.com/

Our practice relies on Nordic. Wonderful for omegas, EPA/DHA combos and also the juniors for kids.

[Demeisen]

Excerpt from Dr. Robert Rowen's newsletter Second Opinion:

Well, this month, I’m going to share another about
face I’ve made in recent months. This one may shock
you, as it goes against all of the medical dogma you’ve
heard. In fact, this dogma is so ingrained in medicine
that alternative and conventional doctors alike accept it.
Yes, I’m going against what many of my alternativeminded
colleagues (including me) have believed for years.
So what is this major change that I’m suggesting?
It’s the belief that fish oils are the best source of omega-
3 fatty acids for your body. After you read the evidence,
you may even question whether you should be taking
fish oils at all.
...


I have a problem with this article. I don't think it's valid to claim that because only less than 1-5% of EFA turns into EPA and DHA, your body does not need them. To me it is similar to claim that because body can't manufacture vitamin D from food sources, it doesn't need it. Yes, our skin makes vitamin D from sun, but countries in northern hemisphere are not getting too much of that either.
Another point that bothers me is the fact that most vegetable oils are high in omega-6 content. It is known that omega-6 promotes inflammation in body and thus should not be consumed more than necessary. Our diets are generally too rich in omaga-6 already. No vegetable oil exists that I know, which offers proper omega 6/3 ratio. Unless the article is trying to state that the it is correct to get huge amount of omega-6 and only tiny bit of omega-3.
But this is just my point of view.

[Lefty Dave]

I thank you all above who responded, and we appreciate your input...we're going to evaluate your leads.

[bruno dante]

Hey Dave, You may have to experiment a little.

People I have tremendous respect for tout Coconut Oil as the king of the oils. It made me sluggish and slow.

Krill Oil was the next big thing for a while. It gave me a headache.

I put flax in my morning smoothie for a while and felt nothing.

Raw butter is terrific if you can get it, but it's quite expensive.

Fish Oil is supposed to be yesterday's news, but I've had and still have wonderful results with it. When I started on it, it felt as though the lights suddenly went on in my head. I use the Carlson brand. Lesser brands (those you might find in drug stores or Wallmart) do not provide the same results, I've found.

I suspect it's different with everyone. Experiment a little and you'll find what works for you.

[PurpleLama]

We get amish butter, which seems pricey until you see the stuff expand and expand when heated, that combined with the huge flavor compared to the store bought stuff more than compensates for the price.

I can't do coconut as a supplement, at all, my wife says it's because of that lifetime I finished off on a deserted island with nothing but coconuts to eat. I was *really* disappointed when I got the infused coconut oil from greenpasture.org, and got sick every time I tried to take it, but she eats it all the time so it was still worthwhile. Soon, I will get some more of the butter liver oil cinnamon tingle gel, that stuff is awesome (unless you're 1inmany).

Most fish oil available is pressed and pasteurized, then the vitamins added back that are cooked out, this is a common practice amongst many supplement manufacturers. That is what makes the greenpasture.org product so great, is they ferment the livers instead, so you get the full nutritional content and then some.

[conk]

Excerpt from Dr. Robert Rowen's newsletter Second Opinion:

Well, this month, I’m going to share another about
face I’ve made in recent months. This one may shock
you, as it goes against all of the medical dogma you’ve
heard. In fact, this dogma is so ingrained in medicine
that alternative and conventional doctors alike accept it.
Yes, I’m going against what many of my alternativeminded
colleagues (including me) have believed for years.
So what is this major change that I’m suggesting?
It’s the belief that fish oils are the best source of omega-
3 fatty acids for your body. After you read the evidence,
you may even question whether you should be taking
fish oils at all.
...


I have a problem with this article. I don't think it's valid to claim that because only less than 1-5% of EFA turns into EPA and DHA, your body does not need them. To me it is similar to claim that because body can't manufacture vitamin D from food sources, it doesn't need it. Yes, our skin makes vitamin D from sun, but countries in northern hemisphere are not getting too much of that either.
Another point that bothers me is the fact that most vegetable oils are high in omega-6 content. It is known that omega-6 promotes inflammation in body and thus should not be consumed more than necessary. Our diets are generally too rich in omaga-6 already. No vegetable oil exists that I know, which offers proper omega 6/3 ratio. Unless the article is trying to state that the it is correct to get huge amount of omega-6 and only tiny bit of omega-3.
But this is just my point of view.

Your point of view is certainly welcome. I don't believe Dr. Rowen is a proponent of excess omega-6 fats. They are required in some measure and can be obtained in a healthful manner. Borage oil or evening primrose oil is a good choice if produced properly. The omega-3 fatty acids are obtained from flax seeds. These are what Rowen refers to as plant based, certainly not processed veggie oils.