Boom! Proof 'scotland independence vote' was rigged!

[ktlight]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUR-HgAtwtg

"Published on 18 Sep 2014
http://www.undergroundworldnews.com
There is damning evidence that shows that this vote is a fraud. Just from the video and the pictures alone, we can see errors! Can you imagine how much is wrong? This is the Best Video proof you will also ever get showing the votes were changed to NO on purpose!"

[Omni]

I was wondering what kind of foul play was happening over this... I wonder if she was paid by someone, or is just mind controlled to think she was acting on her own.

Hopefully we can catch these election fraudsters one of these days. Maybe we can in Scotland who knows. Maybe they will be sloppy enough...

[araucaria]

The counting system itself is flawed if individuals are left to do it on their own. Here in France we have people working in fours (with the public breathing down their necks) – one to open the envelopes and display any spoilt ballots, another to read out the vote, and two more to note it down, checking with each other at least every fifty votes. That is how it is done even with a two-way choice.

See also: http://aanirfan.blogspot.fr/2014/09/vote-fraud-in-scottish-referendum.html

[sound consciousness]

What about England Wales and N. Ireland, we want free tuition fees , we do not want Scottish labour or any other party from voting in the UK...we want a certain amount odf devolution...we want the same handouts as the Scottish people £1,600 pounds......it is the only way forward more than 70 million people want a level playing field.

[Matt P]

I'm just shocked! Shocked I tell you! What do you mean a rigged vote?! That doesn't happen in this technological age in the year 2014!
[sarcasm dripping from the screen yet?]
It's so "funny" to see people around the world getting all excited about a "vote" in some country for some enlightened cause, thinking finally our time has come.
There is no such thing as a legitimate vote anywhere in the world. The herd is not allowed a voice...or a real vote. Voting is an illusion.

Matt

[Akasha]

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[Operator]

Dahboo77 made it into the Dutch mainstream press:
http://www.telegraaf.nl/tv/opmerkelijk/23102039/__Gesjoemel_tijdens_Schots_referendum___.html

[wnlight]

The ballot box is broken. Don't vote. Don't worry. You will get the same results whether you vote or not.

[Nick Matkin]

Interesting, but it's proof of nothing. There were ballot papers that could not be included for various reasons. At each vote-counting point at each local authority, these papers are sorted so they can say exactly how many and for what reasons the papers were invalid.

e.g. 101 ballot papers were invalid because;

15 had no selections, 24 had both selections, 3 had unclear selections, 25 were signed or otherwise identified by the voter, 34 had other invalid markings. She may have been handed a pile of these for her to categorize. Jumping to the conclusion she is deliberately miscounting votes is without foundation.

OK, maybe I'm being naive, but do you really think vote rigging would be done so openly when they know cameras are allowed in the counting halls? If that's what she's doing she's going about it in an extremely inefficient and hap-hazard way. If the votes were rigged, they' just bring in bags of ballot papers and count those - wouldn't they?

Nick

[araucaria]

Interesting, but it's proof of nothing. There were ballot papers that could not be included for various reasons. At each vote-counting point at each local authority, these papers are sorted so they can say exactly how many and for what reasons the papers were invalid.

e.g. 101 ballot papers were invalid because;

15 had no selections, 24 had both selections, 3 had unclear selections, 25 were signed or otherwise identified by the voter, 34 had other invalid markings. She may have been handed a pile of these for her to categorize. Jumping to the conclusion she is deliberately miscounting votes is without foundation.

OK, maybe I'm being naive, but do you really think vote rigging would be done so openly when they know cameras are allowed in the counting halls? If that's what she's doing she's going about it in an extremely inefficient and hap-hazard way. If the votes were rigged, they' just bring in bags of ballot papers and count those - wouldn't they?

Nick
You don't categorize invalid ballot papers, you set them to one side and count them all the same as spoilt votes. She is splitting them into Yes and No, which makes no sense at all unless they are valid. Also she changes her mind more than once over the same ballot papers, sometimes without even looking at them.

Again, all I can say is that it is an incredibly slopping counting system - just asking for trouble.

[Cidersomerset]

I posted this on my thread earlier......

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?75095-WELCOME-BACK-.....Scotland-votes-No-....Salmond-excepts-defeat......Scotland-stays-part-of-UK....&p=878243#post878243


Articles from David Ickes site this morning.....


Vote Fraud in Scottish referendum

new Friday 19th September 2014 at 09:02 By david-icke


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‘In Dundee, a strong YES area, the count was suspended twice due to fire alarms.

The turnout in the strong YES area of Dundee was 78.8%, which is lower than the 85% turnout in Scotland as a whole

In Dundee, ‘Yes’ ballot papers were spotted on a ‘No’ table.’

Read more: Vote Fraud in Scottish referendum


Does This Video Show Vote Rigging In The Scottish Independence Vote?

new Friday 19th September 2014 at 08:55 By david-icke

http://aanirfan.blogspot.co.uk/2014/09/vote-fraud-in-scottish-referendum.html

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Scottish referendum: Police investigate electoral fraud probe in Glasgow

new Friday 19th September 2014 at 08:54 By david-icke


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SHOCKING! More Blatent Vote Rigging During Scottish Independence Count In Edinburgh

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Scottish referendum: Police investigate electoral fraud probe in Glasgow

THE Scottish referendum count was brought into controversy after reports of 10
cases of electoral fraud in Glasgow emerged.



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‘Police at the Emirates Stadium in the Scottish city said they were investigating
possible cases of double vote impersonation where people pretend to be someone
else, cast a vote and then the real person later turns up to vote again.

Colin Edgar, spokesman for the Counting Officer, said: “What appears to have
happened is somebody has arrived at the polling station and given their name and
asked to vote.

“The polling clerk has gone to cross off their name and it appears that they have
already voted, so what we did was contact the police straight away.’

Read more: Scottish referendum: Police investigate electoral fraud probe in Glasgow

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/512527/Scottish-referendum-Police-investigate-electoral-fraud-probe-Glasgow

[Nick Matkin]

You don't categorize invalid ballot papers, you set them to one side and count them all the same as spoilt votes. She is splitting them into Yes and No, which makes no sense at all unless they are valid. Also she changes her mind more than once over the same ballot papers, sometimes without even looking at them.

This morning one of the counting stations announced exactly what I said, at about 3am. I hear it live on Radio Five-Live. I made up the figures but they are not far off, but the categories are correct.

I was surprised because like you I thought they usually just said "and 101 spoilt ballot papers". Perhaps it's a new idea, or not compulsory. Maybe the Returning Officer can read them out if he/she wants if they are available.

Nick

[araucaria]

You don't categorize invalid ballot papers, you set them to one side and count them all the same as spoilt votes. She is splitting them into Yes and No, which makes no sense at all unless they are valid. Also she changes her mind more than once over the same ballot papers, sometimes without even looking at them.

This morning one of the counting stations announced exactly what I said, at about 3am. I hear it live on Radio Five-Live. I made up the figures but they are not far off, but the categories are correct.

I was surprised because like you I thought they usually just said "and 101 spoilt ballot papers". Perhaps it's a new idea, or not compulsory. Maybe the Returning Officer can read them out if he/she wants if they are available.

Nick
Maybe they made up the figures too ;)

As with the ten cases of voter fraud in Glasgow, they are talking about a few individual cases when the actual fraud - if this election has been swung - involves over ten percentage points (about 400,000 votes). The scale of the No 'win' was presumably intended to avoid a Bush-Kerry situation, and to achieve that would have taken a whole raft of measures, some of which were reported in advance.
http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/top-stories/scottish-independence-vote-rigging-fears-1-3533762

[loungelizard]

If this really was "proof of vote rigging", wouldn't Alex Salmond would have been on to it and be calling for a rerun of the entire election?! The "Yes" campaign would be going ballistic - what a golden opportunity for them!

The video lacks any credibility in relation to alleged vote rigging: it's crazy to believe that this is how ballot papers are counted! I worked as a vote counter a couple of times to earn some money when I was a penniless student, and it's a highly supervised operation.
You work in a team, and each vote counter has a partner - It's not a matter of one individual sorting out ballot papers into piles.
You count the papers in bundles of 50, and then cross-check with your partner.
And then you have an eagle-eyed supervisor breathing down your neck.
And then you have, facing you, a line of agents representing the parties involved watching every ballot paper.

It was quite scary!

Having said that, I've no idea what that lady is doing…:confused:

[Nick Matkin]

Thank you Lizzard for some sensible input from experience.

Indeed, Alex Salmond would be all over this, unless there's another conspiracy that says he was in on it too. Surely someone can elaborate on that one...?


Having said that, I've no idea what that lady is doing…

That video is all over the MSM now, so no getting away from it if there's foul play. They say it was sorting 'Yes' from 'No' before counting. But why is she moving them about?

But like the mad says, this is Scotland not Sudan!

Nick

[Ulyse30]

(English)
Its never change,WHY??Because people touch envelopes!!Another mismanaged system!!!If it was a computer with two choices"vote yes" or "vote no",WOW,too,easy!!!Fraudsters could not vote twice not with the facial recognition!!Still fooling around the loss of money,fraud,such as in Quebec,when his touch to the policy for the future of a people,nothing that materializes,Quebec,...its been over thirty years,the french people trying to SEPRATE from Canada,same case,instead of advacing were retreating,......................................................................................... ............................................................

(Français)
Sa changera jamais,pourquoi,?,parce que les gens,touchent aux enveloppes,encore un système mal géré,si c'était une machine qui séparerait les oui et les non,aucun humain auraient à toucher aux enveloppes,si ont fabriquerait cette machine,les fraudeurs ne pourraient pas ce présenter 2 fois au scrutin,pas avec la reconnaissance facial,encore du niaisage pareil comme au Québec,quand sa touche à la politique pour le peuple,rien n'avance,....Ici au Québec sa fait plus(+) de trente ans,(30),qu'ont se bat dans la politique pour se SÉPARER,du Canada,même affaire,au lieu d'avancer ont reculent,....

[araucaria]

If this really was "proof of vote rigging", wouldn't Alex Salmond would have been on to it and be calling for a rerun of the entire election?!
Not necessarily:
Scottish independence: Five reasons Salmond is secretly hoping for a 'No' vote
Is the huge gamble on oil keeping him up at night?
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/scottish-independence-five-reasons-salmond-is-secretly-hoping-for-a-no-vote-9738636.html


5) But if it’s a no vote then none of this is a problem. His Government gets more power, more money and can carry on blaming London if things go wrong. The SNP will cruise to another victory in the Holyrood elections on the back of the independence campaign – which he will be seen to have won even if he loses. He maybe scathing about Devo Max now – but just two years ago he wanted that to be an option on the referendum question. He may be secretly hoping that’s what he gets now.

[syrwong]

I find it strange there was a stipulation that the votes would not be recounted no matter what. This means that if there is suspicion of rigging, there is no way of proving it. In fact it is very easy to prove whether there is rigging. Pick any region and supervise counting the votes again, there should be a significantly different result.

[Maia Gabrial]

It doesn't look like it's over yet!

[araucaria]

I find it strange there was a stipulation that the votes would not be recounted no matter what. This means that if there is suspicion of rigging, there is no way of proving it. In fact it is very easy to prove whether there is rigging. Pick any region and supervise counting the votes again, there should be a significantly different result.
This is one of the purposes of a clear majority - normally you may get a recount when it's very close. We are talking about rigging on a huge scale - most people won't go there.

[Rollo]

If the votes are rigged then why the PTB did that.

1. To keep everything what they achieved so far in the old order.
2. Out of fear.
3. Once country gave up its freedom can't have it back.

I think establishment is in fear right now. Fear of loosing.
Domino effect is very powerful.

PS
My pendulum is spinning like crazy when asked about the votes.
It indicates very strongly Yes as winning vote.

[linksplatinum]

dAHBOO7′S VIDEO IS MAKING THE ROUNDS. Maybe something will come of it. Or not.
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Scotland Independence VOTE RIGGING Caught on Video — There is NO “Democracy”
[Ed. Note: This is pretty much exactly what happened to Ron Paul during his run for the White House. There is NO "Democracy".]
from VisionLiberty:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzpY41YLRkM
Several examples of vote rigging caught on video in Scotland. Welcome to Democracy. “The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything.” – Joseph Stalin
http://sgtreport.com/2014/09/scotland-independence-vote-rigging-caught-on-video-there-is-no-democracy/

[Muzz]

Threads merged. :)

[joeecho]

On the subject of voting in general, I wonder if a grassroots investigative group could do a poll of the populous and compared it to the official vote. I do not trust polls reported on by the MSM so I do not know where the results could be displayed for the populous to assess.

What were the results of various polls on the Scotland's independence vote? Does anyone have any direct experience with polling people prior to or after the vote?

Here is an interesting thought, if we did a poll on Avalon could not the administrators manipulate the numbers/ results at will before the results were published? Could that also be accomplished on any larger scale?

[Cardillac]

@linksplatinum

"There is NO “Democracy”
[Ed. Note: This is pretty much exactly what happened to Ron Paul during his run for the White House. There is NO "Democracy"

I agree with you totally- ALL elections are rigged- anyone still believing the power of the "vote" is "legitimate" needs to go back to course Life101; it "ain't" true-

money makes the world go around, not the friggin' VOTE!-

be well-

Larry

[Rollo]

How far civilization can go with so many lies in its foundations.
This game is tough and in the same time very easy.
Like Bill Ryan once said "the choice is easy".

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[DeDukshyn]

It was just a test to see how easily our reality can be manipulated and to what degree we don't notice or don't care. They are testing for a certain environment for something to come ...

Just a thought ...